manga-theories

[harsh niche]

yeah so you step on one of the halves, bruh

[pure raven]

hmm not remembering the name of a fruit also proves nothing lol, also this is the theories section we can discuss you don't decide for everyone lmaooo

He could quite literally break a piece off an island and send it into the ocean

What will elemental powers do about that

[hollow grotto]

people are allowed to critique theories if they wish, there's nothing against that

[pure raven]

never said there wasn't

[weary cliff]

Imagine not knowing the signature technique of your captain, a man you regard as one of the 4 strongest people out there

[harsh niche]

cant magma fruit just make new landmass by combining water and magma

[pure raven]

Islands are created that quickly bro cmon

[latent totem]

Kaido was mocking gomu gomu .
Now gomu special ability will beat his ass lol

[harsh niche]

islands are deleted that quickly bro cmon

[pure raven]

*arent

[latent totem]

[pure raven]

what techique? just because you see someone use a power doesn't mean you auto know the name of the fruit. Again you are taking nothing and trying to prove something :///

[charred tapir]

Gum gum fruit gomu gomu

[pure raven]

@harsh niche have u ever seen an earthquakes aftermath irl🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

[charred tapir]

Pretty obvious? Lol

[pure raven]

akainu and akoji could make islands pretty quick I think

[tawdry bramble]

We’re going to find out Luffy’s soul is now also rubber which is how he always bounces back

[harsh niche]

i will in a few minutes if you keep quaking this hard

[pure raven]

big mom is gonna try to take his soul and it will bounce away

[charred tapir]

Bm can’t even take jinbes soul lmao

[weary cliff]

Luffy doesnt afraid of anything

[pure raven]

I think BM can only take their soul if they are scared of her

who needs soul when you have anime canon

she will fire another laser beam

[tawdry bramble]

The egg was Nami’s boobs from the future

[pure raven]

Polkadots ?

[tawdry bramble]

The egg on the Oro Jackson is most likely Uranus

[charred tapir]

Sanji know what food to feed robin and Nami for maximum titty growth

[tawdry bramble]

We know he had an ancient weapon and that he didn’t have the other two

[weary cliff]

If that's how they sank Shiki's fleet, I can buy that.

[pure raven]

Come on what’s with the perv stuff xD

[weary cliff]

Its sadly plausible

[pure raven]

to like one piece is to be pervy

[modest skiff]

I don’t get what this is saying lol

[tawdry bramble]

It’s not actually saying anything

[pure raven]

yet it says everything

I wager Zoro is gonna be at alike 80% after they miracle cure

they'll prob have zoro fighting king once he recovers

[delicate sedge]

zoro not only the mcguffin sword also the mcguffin heal

[weary cliff]

It's not a surprise. It had to be something exactly like this to justify putting him back in the fight. Post Wano is going to be as bad as Kuma though

[past timber]

So guys... what do you think about the theory that otama will take over kaido by feeding her cheek powers to him. Then kaido and otama and her fleet will join the straw hats

[weary cliff]

Cant happen

[pure raven]

Otama will become shogun

[past timber]

Why not?

[pure raven]

her > momo

[weary cliff]

Doesnt work on anything but smiles

[past timber]

Is that confirmed? I thought it was all animals

[weary cliff]

Usopp said so. We didnt see it, but can infer he tried on Page 1 or Ulti

[pure raven]

its animals and smiles cause they are more "animaly" than humany

[pastel notch]

Yeah that monkey isn't a smile

[rustic lance]

monke is just monke

[pastel notch]

Oh you meant it doesn't work on non smile zoans, got it

[rustic lance]

Artificial zoans seem to be more like a mixture of human and animal rather than a standard zoan which gives the user the ability to alternate or find a hybrid form

[weary cliff]

It's cool that her introduction had her turn the monkey from the beast pirates and now we her culmination

[amber oar]

also ever since Sheepshead I don't think we have ever seen another gifter able to transform, although Oda acknowledged later in a SBS a number of them can

[dawn crystal]

monke is strong

[versed minnow]

Going with the mega theory about the One Piece being the destruction of the red line, I've wondered whether maybe, fruits like the gum-gum fruit are considered extremely useful to those in power, thus coveted and protected, because: an awakened gum-gum fruit user, if on the side of the celestial dragons, could make the land indestructible (which would be able to defend against fruits like Black Beard's gura-gura no mi - which is considered the most destructive of fruits etc).

[jagged leaf]

gosh darn this chapter is 👌

[dapper mica]

I think the reason why the WG was guarding the gum gum fruit was because it has an amazing versatility. We have seen Luffy use his power in so many creative ways, and Oda will probably continue to think of new ways to exploit the vague rules of the gum gum fruit. It could even be considered the most useful devil fruit, albeit probably not strongest.

[opal portal]

But why did shanks want it

[junior cape]

Because he's a pirate

And he knows first-hand how powerful a DF can be

[opal portal]

That makes no sense

[latent totem]

After this chapter gomu gomu top 3 fruit

People really said that its a wacky fruit

[junior cape]

What, as a pirate, you WOULDN'T want to steal something worth 100 million Berri?

[opal portal]

If that’s the case why didn’t he eat it immediately

[latent totem]

Oda turned them over

[opal portal]

Shanks isn’t like that

[tardy dune]

What if he already had a df

[junior cape]

Shanks can swim

[tardy dune]

I dunno how I forgot that tbh

[opal portal]

I think it’s a key to something

[tardy dune]

He could've just valued his swimming above the df powers. Unless there's something we don't know about df users

[junior cape]

I'm pretty sure in the Anime, Shanks says they stole it, but as for the Manga, I'm not sure they ever clarify it. However, Devil Fruits are not something most people just walk upon. It is the most likely scenario that they stole it from the Government. As Who's Who said in 1017, it was on a Government ship, but was stolen.

His one point of shame

Now, if Shanks and crew were powerful enough to do this in the East Blue 12 years prior, why Shanks didn't just kill the Neptunian that took his arm is unknown

[opal portal]

Do you think that the gum gum no no if awakened can recreate devil fruits and that’s why they taste bitter is because they are 50% gum and 50% fruit?

[amber oar]

I think it's pretty clear

[tardy dune]

He had to hold Luffy up in the water and maybe his CoC wasn't strong enough on it's own to kill a sea king at that point

[junior cape]

Hot damn

[weary cliff]

It's best to just turn a blind eye to what happened to Shanks' arm. It's never going to make sense in the modern context of OP

[junior cape]

So, case closed. They stole it from the government with the intention of doing SOMETHING with it later. This led to Who's Who joining Kaido's army.

[tardy dune]

Shanks lost his arm a good few years back. He very likely got stronger with CoC afterwards to where we've seen him now.

[junior cape]

Yeah. It could be the case that he knew he had it, but just sucked at using it when he saved Luffy. After all, you cannot train it directly, only by becoming stronger will it improve.

[opal portal]

So that’s why they are shocked they know something we don’t

[amber oar]

An oversight given the urgency of saving Luffy, it's not really a big deal

[tardy dune]

I think he knew he had CoC but wasn't very good with it yet.

[dapper mica]

Maybe joyboy had the gum gum fruit?

[amber oar]

Narrator: He fell overboard multiple times, including from a floating island

[dapper mica]

Also why is everyone focusing on why shanks wanted it and not why the WG wanted it? Maybe Im or the 5 elders know its true value

[weary cliff]

I agree. At the moment it doesnt even feel likely that Shanks specifically went looking for it. Although we could definitely get more context around that which changes how we saw things back in Ch 1

[ancient vault]

it was sai in the vivre card too

rou was the one who stole it

[rugged harbor]

thats the most viable theory rn lmao

[reef grotto]

imo the gum gum fruit being stolen will have little impact on the plot. Shanks and his crew didn't react like a particularly strong fruit had been stolen, as if they intended to eat it or something, it's more like they just lost a valuable treasure. I partly support the idea that the gum gum fruit was meant for a slave, but it could also have been for a private collection of a world noble (like, say, the gorosei samurai might be into collecting weapons, if he's not a strong fighter, since he has kitetsu 1), or just another fruit for a cp9 member.

[reef grotto]

very unlikely, too many people in the WG know that luffy has the gum gum fruit for it to be never mentioned until now

[rugged harbor]

probably bc they hide everything void century related , then dismissed it bc they thought a 17 year old kid had no chance about finding the true history and the historic value of the gomu gomu no mi

[reef grotto]

sengoku should've said something about luffy in marineford if this were the case, for example

[amber oar]

based on what lol

[reef grotto]

or even spandam, since he's in cp9

[rugged harbor]

but no one knows anything ab the void century except a very few

who said sengoku even knows ? lmao

[reef grotto]

doesn't matter, we've seen the gorosei too and they haven't said a word, and they probably know that luffy has the gum gum fruit

if the gorosei explicitly wanted the gomu gomu no mi that bad they would've told at least the higher ups, before telling cp9

[rugged harbor]

i mean who else had it then , roger doesnt make sense bc his crew wouldve said smth and xebec doesnt make sense bc the yonko wouldve said something (instead they even made fun of it) , what other important person would make sense here

[reef grotto]

nobody important has to have had it, it can just be a regular fruit

[rugged harbor]

why would a regular fruit be of that importance then

[reef grotto]

or perhaps it has some niche utility for the government, such as when torturing people

[reef grotto]

it really hasn't been shown to be that important for the government, it's just important to who's who because it's the thing that they imprisoned him over

[rugged harbor]

ah yes they would shove a prodigy , someone who rivals lucci (who's who) for a regular fruit

[jade tendon]

Gum gum fruit bends time into rubber

[rugged harbor]

sounds about right XD

[reef grotto]

devil fruit are just rare in general you know, besides he was attacked while he was inside of a marine ship which was sunk

not to mention that it's who's who that is calling himself lucci's rival, he would obviously hype himself up

[rugged harbor]

jinbe also said he had extreme knowledge of those techniques , so saying he was hyping himself up doesnt make sense here

exactly

[reef grotto]

it's possible the fruit had some important use, but not necessarily that someone important used it before

[rugged harbor]

saying that it was a regular fruit makes absolutely no sense lmao

[weary cliff]

They wouldnt though. The purpose of Cipher Pol is for them to do the dirty work for the WG without going through the marines. And if it was important to have the gomu gomu and they lost its naturally they would cover it up by imprisoning who's who and not making a big deal about it

[reef grotto]

it's possible the marines identified the gomu gomu no mi as a fruit that could counter whitebeard when awakened and asked the cp9 to get it

[rugged harbor]

exactly , get rid of the person that knows about it and act like it never happened and no one has to know

[reef grotto]

okay, but you do realize that if that were the case, there would be a fifth emperor running around with the gorosei seemingly unaware of the fact that he has the fruit that they wanted?

the gorosei literally never talk about luffy's fruit, or hint about it

[rugged harbor]

they are not seemingly unaware , but if they make a big deal out of it they make the target realize the importance of it so they actually are forced to not act lmao

[south minnow]

I wonder if the Previous user of the gomu Gomu fruit was Portgas D Rouge? Maybe thats how she was able to keep Ace alive?

[weary cliff]

The very top of the top is well aware of Luffy as we saw

[reef grotto]

they can say something to the reader lmao

[reef grotto]

that's what I'm saying

[rugged harbor]

yeah oda would def do that instead of saving it for a chapter such as this one XD

oda didnt have to say anything , dropping all the info at once to create more hype makes more sense

[reef grotto]

uh, yeah, oda would definitely have at least a little bit of foreshadowing if he's shown us the gorosei multiple times

[rugged harbor]

we had foreshadowing since chapter 1 apparently , whats ur point?

[queen arrow]

foreshadow being they stole the fruit from someone?

[weary cliff]

Then you lost me. Does the WG care about Luffy having it or not

[rugged harbor]

just because they didnt say "oh this fruit is the most valuable fruit on the fuckin planet" doesnt mean it wasnt hinted at

[queen arrow]

what foreshadow

[reef grotto]

foreshadowing being "oh damn that boy that beat crocodile has that thing..............................................................." or something like that, it could be more subtle of course

[rugged harbor]

specifically saying "enemy ship" instead of "pirate ship" or specifying who the enemy was the foreshadowing

this reveal today was planned since chapter 1 and we didnt notice the wording there

[south minnow]

wowww

[queen arrow]

that barely counts as foreshadowing

[rugged harbor]

well yeah , oda made sure not to raise suspicions

[south minnow]

Foreshadow in the Foreshadow

[rugged harbor]

or else hed fuckin ruin a story reveal that was supposed to happen 20 years later from day one

[pure raven]

We have Imu deciding what are the lights that need to be extinguished and we know he can see a big ass straw hat. A theory that has been around is that Imu can see future threats Shyarly style. If, 12 years ago, Imu only saw a person using the gomu gomu no mi, or just the gomu gomu no mi even, then that'd be a light that needed to be turned off - thus why they went for the fruit and not the future user

[reef grotto]

my thesis: if the gomu gomu no mi were important to the WG, the gorosei would've said something about it when luffy beat crocodile/moria/raided impel down/enies lobby/and so on, but they've been completely silent about it. This makes me thing they have no interest in the fruit themselves, and they're the only ones who know of the void century, so the connection between the void century and the gomu gomu no mi cannot exist

[rugged harbor]

which is what makes this reveal way more important than what some people here are saying

[reef grotto]

that is not foreshadowing related to what I'm talking about lmao

it doesn't have anything to do with joyboy or the void century

[rugged harbor]

what if they just thought they can ignore it bc they think luffy cannot reach the history and figure out the link himself so they dismissed it and thought he will just get himself killed eventually?

u'd do the same if u see a little kid like him going for the big names

[reef grotto]

it doesn't matter what they think luffy can or cannot do, the point is that if they were really that interested in the fruit themselves they would've made a comment about luffy having it. Anyone having the fruit would've at least made them go "ah damn that's where that extremely important fruit went"

[rugged harbor]

we'll see i guess , we all can claim whatever we want rn xD

[modest skiff]

Yeah this is what is funny to me. It makes me think extremely few people know how important it actually is

[weary cliff]

Gotcha. It's not necessarily my contention that the fruit belonged to Joyboy or anything, but I think it is clear that Oda is expanding the gomu gomu's background to make it more important. This may not have been Oda's original intention, so to work around why hints weren't dropped before I think it could be a secret only to Imu. Granted there could be every other reason why he took an interest to Luffy, but the fruit may very well be why

[reef grotto]

the gorosei are literally the last people who would NOT know this, except literally imu lol

[modest skiff]

Yeah so then it could only be Imu

[toxic kiln]

Shanks Evil?

[reef grotto]

considering imu seems to do everything by using the gorosei as his henchmen, I highly doubt this

[modest skiff]

We know that Imu is like way above the gorosei in ranking. Its totally possible there's tons of stuff Imu knows that gorosei don't. Especially if he's immortal and from the void century, which i think is possible

[pure raven]

I wonder if shanks knew that fruit was important and that’s why he attacked the navy to get it, or he was just out and about they saw the navy ship and attacked

[queen wind]

Yea I beleive so too
If the Gomu Gomu no mi was really so important
They would've sent cp0 to wipe their asses

[weary cliff]

That's a good point. The WG could have tried harder. They could have taken Robin at any time, too. So maybe its important but not the top priority

[reef grotto]

I'm pretty sure that if they were specifically targeting the gomu gomu no mi, they would've done something with it, or at least they would've treated it as something more valuable than just a treasure. They treated it just as a particularly valuable asset, not as something completely invaluable

IIRC they specifically talked about how much money it could've been sold for

if it were, say, joyboy's fruit, they would've had an extremely different reaction

[queen wind]

I'm not sure about robin
She worked with organizations to shield herself from the wg

[dense wing]

Shanks doesn’t know ab the fruits importance

I reckon only Imu does

[weary cliff]

For almost as long as Luffy has been publicly using the gomu gomu, Robin has just been sailing with the Strawhats. So the CP0 defense goes both way. They had new world stuff to do. CP9 on the other hand could have been given a mission to nab Luffy at the same time as Robin if they wanted

Based off that reasoning, I think we can place the gomu gomu as below poneglyph reading and ancient weapons

[pastel notch]

Is there a well known theory about a link between Will being inherited after death and devil fruit powers moving to a new fruit after death? I just got caught up and am starting to look at theories and haven't seen this one. Could also play into how Blackbeard steals powers by capturing the "will" of the fruit .

My personal tinfoil next level of it would be that D.=Devil, Devil Fruit contain the essence of people from the void century who were naturally magical or a different species or something, and that gathering a critical mass of Devil Fruit users together is part of bringing the lost kingdom back.

If this isn't an already well explored theory i might take the time to put together a thorough write up, similar to the ones in the pins

[modest skiff]

Yeah the whole idea of devil fruits being the D people from void century is a common theory

[weary cliff]

If Joyboy had the gomu gomu no mi and Luffy is the new Joyboy, maybe there's something to this. So far we've seen no relationship between fruit successors except sort of Sabo. But that's not an inherited will relationship

[modest skiff]

I think seakings leaving alone boats if they have sea prism stone could be related to that as well

Since the seakings seem to be somehow related to the whole thing

[pastel notch]

I was thinking more like what Mohdoo said, that the fruit comes from the people, and transmits power the same way D. Initials inherit will. Not that eating a fruit turns you more similar to some person from the past

[modest skiff]

Yeah one of my theories was that the original D people were really powerful with great technology etc but they were isolationists. Eventually, the world allied against them to take Marie Jois

[pastel notch]

I have the same thoughts. Sweet, glad that other people picked up on the same ideas

[modest skiff]

Don't forget to also read the stuff about Enel on the moon

the cover mini stories

[pastel notch]

Oh yeah, i should go back to that. I read it but haven't revisited and that was forever ago

[modest skiff]

It seems like it was Wano/Mink/Ancients/?? vs world government

[pastel notch]

I wouldn't be surprised if Giants fought against WG too, and there being evidence of the conflict on Elbaf

[modest skiff]

Yeah the giants don't really makes sense other than being a 3rd faction IMO because they are so wildly powerful that it doesn't make sense for them to just be doing nothing

I think Elbaf has a really crazy isolationist policy and that's why they don't go out to rescue their people

[pastel notch]

More evidence that devil fruit = void people, oldest known df user is Toki, 800 years ago. Void century is 900-800 years ago. No df mentioned before the void. Coincidence?!??!?!??!??

[modest skiff]

yeah but i mean nothing is mentioned before the void right lol

other than the mini people living on dressrosa

[pastel notch]

Sssshhhhh don't talk about that part ;P

[storm current]

Ok so what if the only reason the WG wanted the gomu gomu was literally what people have been saying for years, an awoken luffy could counter the quake quake fruit? I mean it would allow for luffy’s unique way of using the fruit stay unique? And instead this is going to be used as a push for luffy to be awoken, whos who is gonna spill the beans to jinbe who will tell luffy and boom, awoken luffy

[reef grotto]

it's either that or that it was needed to give to slaves for the amusement of celestial dragons. I think the latter theory is more likely since the former would basically spoil the luffy vs blackbeard fight

unless next chapter they literally tell us nothing about why the fruit was important and we will just be told during the luffy vs bb fight

[storm current]

At this point I think the cats out of the bag for that twist… I mean it was kinda already done for enel/eneru. The better “twist” would be Blackbeard already knowing that luffy could counter it all along so he already has a strategy around it

[reef grotto]

the strategy being the mera mera no mi, probably

but I don't think that blackbeard knows about the danger of the gomu gomu no mi, if he did it would mean someone known to him but unknown to other people had the fruit, and only rocks fits this description

[storm current]

He had that book tho

[reef grotto]

and I doubt that rocks having the gomu gomu no mi would fit either, since whitebeard was in his crew

so blackbeard wouldn't have thought of it as a danger

I'm pretty sure the gomu gomu no mi is just a random, (thought to be) weak fruit that the government wanted for some minor reason

maybe it's just that who's who failed miserably in defending it

[storm current]

Honestly I think blackbeard knows something about devil fruits that other people dont… he was already established as having sought out a specific one (the darkness fruit) and figured out how to have two

[dense wing]

BB not caring ab the Gomu tells me that it’s not special due to its powers

Rather it’s special for some other reason

[reef grotto]

yeah

[dense wing]

Mainly being a previous holder

[waxen dust]

The history of the fruit is what’s special

[reef grotto]

given that the gorosei also seem disinterested in it, I'd say no

[modest skiff]

Or it could be why BB has always been cautiously interested in Luffy

[storm current]

The fact that he doesnt care while having abnormal knowledge about devil fruits makes me think even more that he does think it could be a potential counter to the quake quake fruit but has a strategy already around it

[reef grotto]

it might be that the gomu gomu no mi was sought after by a world noble or by the cp9's chief, and when who's who failed to protect it he was sent in prison to stop him from telling other people that the chief was abusing of his power

we already know that spandam was able to get the fruit for the cp9 through "connections"

[reef grotto]

the first and last part of your sentence make no sense together

[dense wing]

Gorosei don’t have to know ab Joy Boy

Only Imu

And Imu orders them what to do

[reef grotto]

doesn't matter, imu uses them as henchmen, if imu wants something really bad they probably know about it

[hybrid glacier]

If kaido knows then they know too

[reef grotto]

kaido probably knows about it because he's talked to whitebeard or roger directly

and it's likely he doesn't know much, he just knows of a certain joyboy who will eventually come

all he has is third or secondhand information imo

[modest skiff]

We don’t know he doesn’t care

[storm current]

Even better then

Honestly I’m not putting too much into this as my memory is terrible for finer details, but as I see it I expect the start of fight “twist”against black-beard to be he knows that the gum gum’s elasticity might give luffy a degree of resistance to his quakes

[zinc iris]

i wonder if Kaido having so many WG rejects in his ranks is really a coincidence

[storm current]

Doubt it

[zinc iris]

an ex scientist associated with judge and caesar, an ex cp9

[ebon needle]

Their organization is called MADS

[dusky acorn]

MADS is almost certainly an acronym for something right, wonder what it'll be

Or if we get an isolated Queen flashback during his fight with Sanji

Or if that will be jam-packed into the one, huge Kaido fb

[gusty needle]

Maybe it’s another synthetic devil fruit

[storm current]

It might have to do with fake devil fruit making

[gusty needle]

Or belonged to Rocks

[storm current]

Maybe its maybelline

Nope its just the smooth smooth fruit

[pseudo citrus]

gotta wonder if SAD is a result of the MADS research

[reef grotto]

he almost certainly does not care, he would've said something for sure if he knew something about it

[ember trench]

SAD is a Caesar creation

[sharp spear]

Hello i made this theory months ago and i translated it to english some parts will be in Portuguese cause i can't find the english version and even Portuguese parts are better added https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q4rdZfp2r4MyPhIk1EAOqhEFL42Gg6T7R20c030KNJk/edit?usp=sharing Basically this theory is: What's the One Piece Treasure?

[reef grotto]

absolutely not, blackbeard's plan regarding the gura gura no mi started way before luffy even entered the grand line

[modest skiff]

I’m not convinced of that but maybe

[storm current]

So? Blackbeard knew ace and ace has been said to talk about luffy

[reef grotto]

he still had no way to know luffy was going to actually be a threat, why would he care about ace's word about his yet unknown brother?

[storm current]

Because he knew someone had the gum gum fruit hed think of a precaution against it?

[ember trench]

I don’t understand

[storm current]

I kind of don’t get it either this has gone off the rails…

[pure raven]

Luffy wasnt even strong at the time. If he was that worried about Luffy, BB would of killed him at
Marineford or the town when you first see his crew.

[delicate sedge]

bb wanted luffy head because it was a prominent rookie that was a pain for WG, an easy target but a very profitable one

[willow plover]

Why the power of gomo gomo no mi ???? It doesn't come as close as law's devil fruit when it was high transported and multiple crews went after it too. But why luffy's? It has to be very special in a certain way ???
I mean there are some paramecia DF that has the power to destroy the world when its in the wrong hands ( like Whitebeard's, it wouldve been normal for the WG to go after it if it was available ). But, luffys DF? why? The only thing I can think of is that in the past somebody had it and he used it extremely well to the point they feared it.

[storm current]

At that point he had not used his devil fruit in front of BB at all, nor did bb know luffy was that brother though

[pure raven]

I really dont think there is anyhting special about the power of gomu gomu no mi and that it is either that a celestial dragon wanted it or that it is becuase of the previous user.

[storm current]

Ok this has gone off the rails… my original argument that im sticking to is that if awoken gum gum fruit is going to be introduced as a potential counter to quake quake then BB will already know about it

[pure raven]

Ok I just read the new chapter and do you guys think that the gum gum fruit has like a second ability when it is awakend and that’s why the government had it?

[storm current]

Yeah that’s exactly what I think

I think they wanted it as an anti-white beard weapon

[reef grotto]

the most likely option is that someone among the celestial dragons wanted it to feed it to its slaves and have fun, like they did with boa hancock

and failing the celestial dragons is one of the few relatively minor things in one piece that can get you to impel down straight away

[storm current]

OK but story wise why would oda make it that. It introduces nothing new to the plot

[acoustic helm]

MADS - Machine Aided Development Sciences

[storm current]

And to be honest it’s not that interesting

[reef grotto]

it introduces luffy's fruit as a fruit of a slavelike person, someone who becomes strong just through his own power, contrasted to blackbeard who gets strong by stealing OP fruits

[willow plover]

There is one thing that I never seen anybody talk about it

[reef grotto]

luffy has a shitty fruit that had to be fed to a slave, blackbeard has OP fruit used by the world's strongest people

[storm current]

It is possible but I unfortunately think that’s not the directions gonna go

Because shanks stole it knowing exactly what it was

[reef grotto]

not at all

he just stole it because devil fruits are valuable, they even mention how much money it can be sold for

[storm current]

Yeah he did, when luffy ate it he didnt say “you ate a devil fruit” he said specifically gum gum

[reef grotto]

well lol that's because he knew what fruit it is, doesn't mean it was important specifically

[willow plover]

Its a little bit hard to explain but im gonna try. In a physic perspective. Rubber has a high elasticity tolerance so it can absorb a lot of chocs ext... but also in another area its one of the best materials to infiltrate air and vibration/sounds. Its hard but this DF might be the reason why luffy can hear Zonesha and Sea kings ( cuz he can filtrate this frequency air vibration ???)

[acoustic helm]

Who's who was put to prison cuz he was just a prospect 12 years ago, he was disposable. While in enis lobby cp9 was quite OP and WG can't afford to lose strong ppl.

[reef grotto]

even sanji probably knows the shape of many devil fruits, considering he read a book about them as a kid

[storm current]

Let me ask you a question then… how did spandam/cp9 not know what two fruits they had

[willow plover]

Which means bein able to hear the voice of all somehow too just with this DF

[reef grotto]

just no

[reef grotto]

because spandam is stupid

unironically

sanji is smart and reads books about devil fruits, spandam is stupid and feeds random dfs to his subordinates

hell, he even started the buster call by mistake

that man is an idiot

[willow plover]

I dont see why not ? It's confirmed thar Oda always try to make it as scientific and historical correct possible ( changed the dinosaur form of that dude in the manga just to follow the last discovery about it... and this is scientifically facts about rubber too... )

[reef grotto]

dude, it's not a scientific fact that being made of rubber gives you the VOAT lmao

[storm current]

Spandam is but not the rest of his team, if they had a resource to find out they would have

[willow plover]

Just sayin that it gives you the ability to filtrate vibration ext use it well and you have urself somethin as close to the voice of all. At least think about it as spying or bein able to hear higher stuff tham normal human ears

[reef grotto]

I mean, the problem really is just that we know sanji knew about the devil fruits from a random book he read as a child, if he could then shanks and the rest could too

[storm current]

Sanji was a prince of a scientific nation with ties to the world government

There is no way in hell that was a random book

[reef grotto]

did the germa have ties to the WG?

ah yeah because of vegapunk

[storm current]

They are recognized as a full kingdom by the world government despite all the terrible stuff they do

And yes vegapunk

[reef grotto]

still, that doesn't mean that sanji had any particularly important book that shanks couldn't have

it's likely that the cp9 didn't know about what devil fruits they had because they didn't have a library at hand

shanks had time to go to a library and look up the devil fruit he got

[storm current]

That’s kind of exactly what it means. Also cp9 didn’t have any rush to eat the fruits yet because they thought their mission was done at that poing

[zinc iris]

they were an official member Kingdom

[storm current]

If they could’ve found a resource they probably would have. I mean enis lobby is by the HQ via the whirlpool

[reef grotto]

still, if it's a gift that your boss is giving you, you probably can't tell them to wait to look up the df on a library

you either accept or decline

[storm current]

Spandam also said at the time they didn’t have to eat it as they didn’t know which fruits they were and it was risky

[pure raven]

They took their chance to be Batman

[zinc iris]

i still hope the gomu gomu doesn't have some special destiny attached, and it was valuable because well it was a DF and those are considered precious in general

[reef grotto]

okay this doesn't really make sense but we know that blackbeard too knew about the shapes of all devil fruit, that means that information isn't that difficult to access

besides, it's implied that when sanji found the book about the suke suke no mi he was old enough to want to be horny

[storm current]

Actually… I think blackbeard’s knowledge is also special since he figured out how to have 2 fruits

[pure raven]

In fact it's a real possibility, that the DF was just planned to be sell for money ou give to help scientific research of vegapunk and who's who screw the game that'st it

[storm current]

Otherwise the government would Have been doing that to

[pure raven]

He have two lineage factor, yes

[zinc iris]

or maybe was meant for some CP9 trainee or Navy officer

[reef grotto]

this means he probably read about it when he was with zeff, not when he was with germa

[zinc iris]

DFs are some important upgrades to their strongest soldiers

[storm current]

OK you’re implying that Sanji wasnt and isnt eternally horny since birth… and that I wholeheartedly disagree with

[reef grotto]

I'm pretty sure those would be two different sources of information, because he said he'd read about the yami yami in a random book about dfs

[reef grotto]

he is never seen being horny in his flashbacks with germa

[pure raven]

Sanji love women since he is a kid

[queen arrow]

they weren't in the devil fruit book

[storm current]

Welp that answers that

[zinc iris]

but his brothers are horny too

[storm current]

I still hope though its still either just a counter to wb or the slave thing you said poops, because I dont want it to be anything like “it’s actually the best devil fruit because it was wielded by this person” thing

[reef grotto]

it is definitely not that, it wouldn't make any sense

someone from the WG would've said something about luffy if that were the case

[storm current]

I know but people keep saying things like “ its gonna be joy boys’ fruit” or some shit

[pure raven]

Because oda is in that way

[storm current]

I really dont think that its going to go that way… yet

I think any big joyboy revolations like that are going to come after the explanation of what devil fruits really are, or around the same time as that

And we definitely arent there yet

Not until we meet vegapunk

[viscid warren]

im calling that the gumgum fruit belonged to someone important thats why they gaurded it

i hope not roger
maybe rocks would be a better fit

[supple magnet]

If that’s the case I bet it belonged to Joyboy

[reef grotto]

anyone who has seen luffy directly cannot know who the holder of the gomu gomu no mi was, if there ever was any, which excludes both roger and rox from having it, since sengoku saw both of them and luffy. If he knew, he would've mentioned it at marineford

the only person who it makes slightly more sense to have the gomu gomu no mi is joyboy, but even then we have seen the gorosei multiple times and they certainly know of luffy's raiding of enies lobby. If they saw that luffy has the gomu gomu no mi, we would've seen them mention it if it was important

[trim flicker]

I mean fate and prophecy are things in one piece so maybe there was a prophecy known only to higher ups that the man who would become PK/destroy fishman island/take on the WG would be a user of the gomu gomu and have a straw hat or something

[trim flicker]

Unless its a secret kept to imu, and very few others

[reef grotto]

you can erase "and a few others", except for imu there isn't anyone above the gorosei

and even then, we can assume imu told the gorosei that the light that had to be erased was luffy, but why did he need to tell them that only after the time skip, if he already knew the gomu gomu no mi was dangerous?

if the gomu gomu no mi was relevant, he would've told the gorosei to deal with luffy right after enies lobby

as a matter of fact, the gomu gomu no mi literally cannot be an important fruit in and of itself, luffy is way too famous for that

so, what is the only thing that could send someone to impel down over a not-so-important thing? The only answer is a celestial dragon

[pure raven]

I agree ^

[reef grotto]

and we know celestial dragons feed devil fruits to their slaves, we've seen that with boa

plus, it makes perfect thematic sense for the gomu gomu no mi to be a weak fruit meant for a slave

this is the only thing that could give some importance for the story to the gomu gomu no mi while ensuring who's who is sent to impel down level 6

[pure raven]

we are probably seeing a buildup of the story going more into depth on how they use weak and terrible df on their slaves, tbh.

[reef grotto]

maybe

[upbeat cedar]

Some slave prob got some OP logia smh

[reef grotto]

nvm it's possible all in all

[pure raven]

And seeing more of the awful side of being given a terrible df or a df for celesial dragons to just toy with you make the fact that Luffy has a df a lot more stronger in meaning with him getting rid of the Celestial Dragon's rule in the future.

Shanks was most likely just planning on selling the fruit, thinking it was a lot more valuable, probably. But yeah, the gomu gomu no mi being something important just wouldnt make sense plot wise with how the WG reacts to Luffy.

[reef grotto]

it makes for very cool rereading for god enel to be beat by a slave fruit

[pure raven]

yeah

I hope the reason why gets revealed soon and that we are right. Cause I do not want to keep seeing these "legendary gomu gomu no mi" theories. lol

[reef grotto]

it's probably gonna be revealed next week

[pure raven]

yeah, hopefully

[weary cliff]

I wouldn't bet on getting any answers on this for the rest of the arc. This is going to be resolved with Shanks

[pure raven]

Giving Luffy a special legendary DF would go against so much,lol.

[weary cliff]

I don't see it as a problem

[reef grotto]

we're gonna need to know at least why they sent who's who in impel down

[weary cliff]

He told us, he failed to do his job

[reef grotto]

eh, but they don't just send people to impel down if they fail their job

there's probably a celestial dragon involved

[weary cliff]

Sure, but would he feel the need to spill that?

[reef grotto]

because he's no longer with the WG and jimbe is gonna want to know probably

not to mention that jimbe is related to slaves, and the fruit was meant for a slave (if I'm right)

[bitter agate]

Devil fruits have a way of matching the personality of the user.
Is it fate that pairs the fruit with its user? Or does the devil fruit bleed into the personality of the user? Did the Mera-Mera give Ace his hot temper and push him into compulsive tendencies? And did the fruit make Sabo the hot head we've seen him grow into? He was not hot headed in the flash backs. But after he ate the fruit, he was very compulsive and hot tempered. Does the ice devil fruit aokiji possess make him cool, calm and collected at all times? Or was he like that before the powers? Does the pika-pika fruit make kizaru the light hearted person he is?
I believe devil fruits alter the personality of the person possessed by the devil fruit. That's right. I said possessed by the devil fruit. Not the person who has the devil fruit. just a thought also maybe the magu magu (akainus magma fruit) gave him a hot temper we heard through garp he use to be quit stubborn but he didnt have a hot temper. (I think this is what happened i forgot) but Luffy had his same personality since a kid before he ate the fruit.... Same personality as Roger, who also did not have the fruit. People had their personalities due to their experiences and life's not due to a DF but im not sure about that. We only saw like a few seconds of luffy before the devil fruit. And in that time he was an impressionable child looking to prove himself to the cool pirates he met.or maybe the devil fruit chooses the user, the user doesn't choose his own devil fruit hence a devil fruit is made only for specific persons to eat. Idk Just some of my thoughts and others on devil fruits.

[pure raven]

One important thing about One Piece is that Luffy isnt a super special pirate. He needs his friends and the help of others to succeed. Luffy says so himself. He cant sail the seas without Nami. Cant cook. Most battles, he would of lost without his friends. But he is also a pirate that work his hardest to be the king of pirate. He accidently ate the gomu gomu no mi, which should be one of the worst fruit. But with his hard work, he was able to make it into something much more.

[reef grotto]

it's just the way writers make their characters, they try to give them abilities that match their personalities. Oda is particularly good at this

[bitter agate]

i know thats what i thought when i thought of luffy specifically

[pure raven]

tho, I will be honest, what I am saying, these are just my thoughts and if Oda really wants to make gomu gomu no mi special, I wont be mad at all. Kind of meh, but not mad.

[bitter agate]

ye. based off the recent manga chapter we know gomu is special and somehow important to the wg

[reef grotto]

I'm pretty sure he isn't gonna do that, after the theme of most fights luffy's had is to be able to beat strong fighters through force of will, while blackbeard does the opposite, by stealing strong fruit

[slate zodiac]

Yo can someone help me rq? it involves the info we got on Luffy fruit

[reef grotto]

just read the convo bro, we've talked about this, it's not that

[bitter agate]

not true. blackbeard was already strong b4 both devil fruits. Remember he gave shanks his scar without a devil fruit and just his haki. Also Don't forget he was apart of wb's crew

[reef grotto]

no lol, blackbeard's theme is definitely that of taking the short route while luffy takes the hard one, just reread the manga in general. He wasn't super weak before but that's beside the point

[weary cliff]

That's all well and good, but if some run of the mill guy can take a terrible DF and use it to keep ballooning in strength at a rapid pace, enough to assumedly beat Kaido, then surely in the past 800 years of DF usage, there could have been plenty of competent people who already showed that the gomu gomu has great strengths. So if we go with the total underdog story, it's less believable that Luffy was the first person ever to do anything with it. If instead Oda expands upon the fruit and gives it some prestige, it would be Luffy taking something the world knew had potential and rising to greatness with his personal prowess

[reef grotto]

this is true, and I also think if you really wanna be consistent with what we've seen the gomu gomu no mi is really the best fruit we've seen so far, but that's just a power scaling plothole

[ember trench]

Blackbeard’s route is longer than Luffy’s actually

[reef grotto]

that's not the point, it's not how the story is presented

[weary cliff]

Exactly. Making it a secret good fruit closes the plothole

[ember trench]

He waited decades before he started working towards his dream because he wanted the Yam Yami

[cerulean coyote]

He started a lot of time ago and made a lot of study about df...

[reef grotto]

on the other hand it would open a whole bunch of other plotholes regarding why tf we haven't been informed by the gorosei or sengoku about the gomu gomu no mi and why imu didn't send the cp0 to luffy after enies lobby, and other stuff I've mentioned above

[ember trench]

If anything his patience is part of what makes him so dangerous and actually speaks to the strength of his will to wait that long

None of those are plot holes lol

[pure raven]

I see what you mean. but I just have to ask, why has no other WG been surprised about the fact he is using gomu gomu no mi. But I see what you mean.

And in the world of one piece, it is not unheard of to turn strange devil fruit into powerful useful one. Look at Katakuri's fruit. so if someone did have the gomu gomu no mi in the past, they probably would of done some good things with it.

[cerulean coyote]

Why you say surprised? It looks more about anger for failing

[ember trench]

They probably were surprised. We just didn’t see it.

[pure raven]

I mean if gomu gomu no mi suddenly ended up on a rookie, I am sure they had to be surprised.

[reef grotto]

unlikely

[bitter agate]

And people say luffy was like naruto. Naruto Shippuden Spoilers : ||(Not saying naruto was gifted), Gifted with a strong jutsu and had ying and yang chakra, had a tailbeast inside him, had a strong teacher, 4th hokage's son, lots of chakra etc || Tbh I don't really like touching arguments like this but luffy worked for what he has, he made a devil fruit that seemed trash one of the strongest (not including gear 4th cuz that uses his haki so idk if its fair but if we are ranking like naruto then haki is chakra i guess so luffy needs chakra to use g4 and when it runs out, yeah idk where i was going with this

[ember trench]

No, very likely actually. Considering they had CP9 escorting this fruit ofc they would be surprised to see a pirate turn up with it later.

[cerulean coyote]

Work hard and planning successfully are both efficient in overcoming obstacles

[ember trench]

We just never saw their reaction towards the fruit

[pure raven]

I guess so.

It is a bit weird since a plot reveal like this seems to not have much foreshadowing, but who knows. Maybe we didnt notice.

[ember trench]

It’s also not really the end of the world if a pirate eats this fruit. They didn’t want anyone having it but it’s not like someone having rubber powers is going to realistically undermine or endanger their grip on the world in any significant way (haha...)

[pure raven]

true

[reef grotto]

this would be really lame if it were the case

[cerulean coyote]

Where it has been said they didn't want anyone having it?

[ember trench]

Nah

[reef grotto]

for now, we've always been informed of this kind of thing

[pure raven]

Actually, you saying this reminds me. They werent surprised because it is not just the fruit that matter (and maybe other pirates before Luffy had it too, depending how long ago the last user was)

but it also had to be a combo of rubber fruit and Joy Boy and only just now, the WG is seeing Joy Boy in Luffy.

[ember trench]

There is such a thing as hiding information from the reader until it’s relevant. You don’t have to tell them everything at once.

We are being informed now

[pure raven]

Yeah, that is fair

I think gumo gumo no mi is just an ordinary devil fruit if it was that precious, it would be guarded by cp0 not cp9 or even an admiral would have guarded it, who is known to be governments puppet.

[ember trench]

Guarded by CP9 is pretty huge

[pure raven]

A lot of his stuff, I am most likely just being nitpicky and a bit biased on. But if the gomu gomou no mi is legendary, than oh well. I wont be mad at all and its not going to ruin the story.

like you said, they could of hidden information from the reader during all that time and such

[pure raven]

They even ate petty fruits like giraf giraf and soap fruits

[weary cliff]

Well you know important people probably have important stuff to do. Having a CP9 guy is already a big deal. Especially if it was in east blue

[ember trench]

CP9 being the government’s elite secret agents who aren’t even supposed to exist... meaning this operation of transporting this fruit was meant to be top secret and of the highest importance.

[reef grotto]

we had foreshadowing of sanji's family since jaya, there's no way we would get no foreshadowing of the gomu gomu no mi if it was important to the government. On the other hand, if it isn't we already have plenty of foreshadowing, with boa hancock, perhaps the sun pirates, related to jinbe (who is CASUALLY fighting who's who), and the bottom of the list in sabaody having "devil fruit users", plus all the stuff about luffy being at odds with gods and nobles

[ember trench]

We didn’t have any foreshadowing of his family in Jaya

We just knew he was from North Blue

[pure raven]

If the Gomu Gomu no Mi is legendary or important, I am still interested to see how it goes.

[reef grotto]

we knew we would get more out of his backstory

[ember trench]

Eh

And we are getting it now lol. We didn’t get any foreshadowing that the government have a giant straw hat locked away in a freezer either. Whelp.

[reef grotto]

like, I remember seeing hypothesis of sanji being a noble from 2014 lmao

with the mr prince and all

[amber oar]

More than foreshadowing, we have bits of evidence that didn't mean anything without context but now we know all make sense. For example Mr. Prince, or the North Blue origins

[ember trench]

There was speculation but no foreshadowing of his past or heritage being important

He just... lived in North Blue. Then he was a chef. Oda built on it later.

[pure raven]

Well, I have a feeling joy boy had the DF and its the reason nobody really knows about the fruit. Joy Boy's history is in the void century.

[ember trench]

Mr. Prince isn’t foreshadowing anything really.

[pure raven]

if a past owner did have the fruit

[amber oar]

Oda may have had it planned. Or may have not
The fact Sanji was originally intended to be called Naruto suggests Vinsmoke was a posterior development

[ember trench]

Unlikely to me he had the Germa stuff planned that far back

[reef grotto]

ehhh, I'm pretty sure he had a vague idea

[weary cliff]

Oda is a king of leaving things open for expansion

[ember trench]

I think he left some room open in case he wanted to expand on Sanji later

But I don’t think he always wanted to do the Vinsmoke story. Think he came up with that way later

[pure raven]

I think Oda did have sanji story planned out ,tbh or at least he knew what kind of family he wanted Sanji to be apart of.

[reef grotto]

but still I assure you that it was clear enough sanji had some kind of important family for there to be speculation about his family being noble

I remember it clearly

[weary cliff]

There's speculation about pretty much every character that doesnt have revealed parents

[ember trench]

Nah it wasn’t clear at all

[pure raven]

I wonder what the speculations are for Nami.

[reef grotto]

no speculation as far as I'm aware

[ember trench]

People had wild theories that turned out to be true. That’s all lol. And yeah Sanji being a prince or noble was very wild before the end of Dressrosa

[amber oar]

some people suggested the war Germa went to fight was the same war that destroyed Nami's birthplace, but dates don't match, as Sanji was like close to 10 and Nami was rescued as a baby

[weary cliff]

You can google "nami parents" and be met with dozens of crack theories. You've seen them in this very channel

[ember trench]

Yep

[amber oar]

probably Nami's birthplace isn't relevant, as it got a super random name and revealed only in databooks (Oykot, that is Tokyo reversed)

[rapid oar]

they were protecting it cause all df are dangerous

[junior cape]

[livid cypress]

There is a kitetsu that we don’t know what it looks like right now. It has a supreme grade and i think i found who owns it maybe its been said before

Zoro’s kitesu is Regular grade, Luffy’s is great grade

Most of them all have the same hilt design, i saw a picture of the 5 elder stars and i recognised it straight away

This dude right here has a kitetsu that we don’t know about. since he has high status i think its safe to assume its the supreme kitetsu

[light steeple]

that theory has been around for a while and I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. makes sense he would have it

I'm curious to see what happens with the nidai kitetsu. I think the Sandai will break at some point and Zoro will get the Nidai

[grizzled fog]

How will Sandai break if it survived the rooftop?

Not even a scratch from blocking this lol

[light steeple]

yeah I thought if it was going to break anywhere it'd be there. Maybe it'll just break in some random fight in the next couple chapters. Zoro blocking that did a lot of damage to it and now it just needs one small hit to finally break it

[slate zodiac]

Very good theory

[dusky acorn]

Thanks ❤️ ❤️

Yeah, I don't see Sandai breaking unless King's swordsmanship specialises in some sword breaking techniques like Brook's shadow did

Which would be very niche

[pure raven]

holy shit that was half a year ago how did you scro up that much

[versed hamlet]

its pinned

[pure raven]

oh

i knew that

[ancient vault]

@green roost wheres ur elaborated slave throry

[gray kettle]

In general though it kinda sucks how so many WG just buddied up to Yonko

[green roost]

want me to just post it here?

[ancient vault]

yup why not?

unless u wanna elaborate on it more

[gray kettle]

I think Shanks has gotta be the son of Xebec. Would also make sense why Roger goes by the “a newborn holds no sin” lifestyle.

[ancient vault]

or maybe roger is just a decent human being when it comes to morals

[gray kettle]

It’s not just that

But given everything we already know about how The Gorosei treat shanks

[green roost]

gum gum wasnt meant for joyboy, it was meant for slave torture, (whats the best fruit to give to a slave so that you could keep messing with them and they dont die or can just bounce back? rubber! you can shock them, do all kinds of stuff to them) <---this part you can take with a grain of salt, the important part of it is basically: it was meant for a celestial dragon to feed to a slave, be it for torture or just to see what happens or whathaveyou, moving on, we know all this new info regarding WW, so putting some pieces together, given what we know about boa's story, the CD's feed their slaves fruits in order to get more out of torturing them or messing with them , the gum gum fruit never ever belonged to anyone special, it was just meant to be given to a CD, and it was stolen from WW when he was meant to transport it to them , WW had to pay for his crime of losing a precious valuable of a CD by being sent to impel down, probably even issued by the CD themselves, we know from sabaody just how petty the CD's can be,
this is the very definition of creating your own destiny thru freedom
a fruit meant to be used for slave torture, turns around and completely dismantles the CD system

added couple small things

[slate zodiac]

I think shanks is a celestial dragon

[proud tree]

theory to not make gumgum not special: Shanks was in the business of selling multiple devilfruits stolen from CP9. thats how he got yonko.

[green roost]

alternatively, the fruit could have been just another random DF meant to be fed to a cp9 member, like how kaku and jyabra ate theirs, doesnt even have to be the CD slave thing

theres a lot of options other than just joyboy right away

[gray kettle]

I feel like they haven’t revealed Xebec yet for that very reason, he’s gonna have Red hair

[limpid sequoia]

It could be cracked or something and we just don't know yet

[limpid sequoia]

Then what does the Strawhat in Marejois mean?

[green roost]

idk, that itself could be joyboy's, it could also have no powers

just a hat and what it represents, a memento of the past etc

[green roost]

actually, i have a theory about it:

joyboy of the void century used to be a king of the "good guys", the ones who the people that later came to be called the WG opposed , but he was a very down to earth and kind king, he didnt want to feel like he was ever "above" anyone else, so instead of a traditional golden crown, he adopted a simple straw farmer's hat to be his "crown", so he could feel like one with his people

due to the void century's turmoil and joyboy's adventures, the hat came to be known as a symbol of freedom, but joyboy failed, and the history was erased (as we know: void century), buried, put away, hence why we see the straw hat kept in hiding underground in the most secure place possibly in the world

[gray kettle]

So how do we think BB can have 2 DFs?

[limpid sequoia]

I think it's straight up just because of the dark dark fruit, I don't like the idea of him getting 3 fruits but, I think the fact that he killed his crew member to get it means it is more important than just it's normal logia powers.

[proud tree]

He does not sleep even while he was a boy in WBs crew. he has a werid body as stated by Marco... so it has somthn to do that he already when he was a small boy.

[limpid sequoia]

at the very least we know BB knows a lot more about devil fruits than we do, but there is just nothing I can think of that has been introduced in the story that would make him having multiple fruits make sense other than it being the power of the dark dark fruit, obviously Oda can introduce something when we get to know BB better but as of now that's what I think it is.

[proud tree]

so why does he not sleep when he joined WB crew as a boy

[limpid sequoia]

That's my point, that is completely inexplainable with the things we know in the verse

[rapid oar]

im-sama is bbs dad

[gray kettle]

Marco straight up said it was his wierd body, not cuz of the Yami Yami

[proud tree]

my point is: he was built different even before he ate the darkness fruit.

and his different built could also explain why he has 2dfs

[rapid oar]

3?

[proud tree]

sry2

[limpid sequoia]

There's a theory that he gets a 3rd devil fruit because there are a lot of reoccurring references to the number 3 when we see Blackbeard, idk the theory too in depth but you can find it easily

[rapid oar]

tbh i think he will be able to get atleast 8 more dfs

[livid cypress]

I think the sandai kitesu will break fo sho, It is just a grade sword

If Zoro gets the kitesu III that luffy had in wano that is already great great

then he can make all 3 of his swords supreme, possibility

[stark path]

That was nidai kitetsu, but yeah point stands

Does nidai kitetsu count as saijo o wazamono grade sword?

[weak arrow]

it's same rank as enma and shusui

[weary cliff]

What's going to do the breaking?

It seems to me Zoro's haki negates that from happening. If he could block ocean sovereignty without damage, there's nothing else in this arc that's going to do anything worse

[weak arrow]

Tbh I definitely am also a believer that Sandai might break. The Hakai did a massive amount of damage that it'd be on its last legs but something else will cause it to break. Sorta like weakening the structural intergrity of a house because of an earthquake, and then being able to easily to knock down a house just buy some weaker wind

[blissful seal]

But why would they give it to a single slave and why was it kept and not already fed?

And wouldn’t giving them a fruit give them the opportunity to escape?

And the gum gum fruit makes you feel less pain

[green roost]

a CD could have ordered it to be delivered from (????) location, think of how kaku and jyabra ate their fruits and it just happened to be on hand , that p[art isnt really important since we know so little , remember boa hancock story? why would feeding boa the mero mero make it more fun for the CD's? it just does

[green roost]

i mean that sounds even more perfect then doesnt it? the slave can last and last and last while CD's do all kinds of things to them for fun

[blissful seal]

Oh did they fed her it, hm true

[green roost]

half your questions dont even need to exist if u remember that part

CD's could have weird twisted reasons for feeding their slaves anything, heck even the simple fact it takes away your ability to swim, could make them more succeptible to torture

plus, they would always have them in seastone just in case

[blissful seal]

It’s weird considering that she’s attractive and literally kill u if u fall in love with her lol

[green roost]

lol yah, its almost counter intuitive for a CD to feed boa that fruit

but they did it anyway, could be a number of faulty logic reasons they wanted a gum gum fruit

[blissful seal]

Interesting theory

[green roost]

it may not have been specifically for torture, maybe they just wanted to feed it to their "pet slaves" to see what would happen for fun

and if u wrong a CD in any way, even look at them funny, they always have a petty punishment for it

WW could have lost this fruit meant for a simple reason, and had to pay an unfair heavy price for it, but eitherway, all DFs are rare and valuable

[blissful seal]

Although, why wasn’t it fed already, if it’s a torture device

[green roost]

transporting to a CD from some place where they found it, idk

a CD could have gotten wind that cp agents found "this and this and this kind of fruit" and they did some amazon prime style shopping

[blissful seal]

But it’s to my perspective implied that the fruit was really valuable

[green roost]

the editor comment implies that but fuck editor comments tbh

[blissful seal]

But even the way WW talks about it

[green roost]

to me, it seems like the way WW talked about the punishment, it seemed like a completely unfair thing, for something not so huge, like a not so huge blunder

hes like "and cause of that mistake, i got sent to impel down blah blah blah"

like it shouldnt have been a reason to be sent there

[blissful seal]

Hmmmm yeah

[green roost]

maybe fire him, maybe exile him, maybe demote him, but fucking jail him for life? that reallllyy sounds like some celestial dragon shit to me

plus no one important has ever taken note of luffys fruit as special, they always call it stupid, like doffy who knows world secrets

[blissful seal]

But I mean, if it was a random fruit, they wouldn’t have sent him there, because it means that they wanted that fruit specifically and they asked him to get it, it goes with both the Joyboy theory and ur slave theory, heck if it was a random fruit they might not even know he even got it or anything

[green roost]

i mean thats exactly why i think a celestial dragon was involved, the punishment doesnt fit the mistake, a celestial dragon SHOOTS ON SIGHT randomly at people just for looking at them lmao

[blissful seal]

Yeah that’s why the fruit is important, if it wasn’t that important they could’ve fired him

[green roost]

i mean ive been saying since the start, ur missing the point of my theory, the punishment doesnt fit the crime not because the fruit is important, but because a celestial dragon was involved

[blissful seal]

But CP is serving CD anyway no?

[green roost]

that would only help my theory

[green roost]

celestial dragons are the level of petty that they could execute someone just for sneezing on them so even a fruit meant for a slave, if lost, could be punishable by something very severe, because the celestial dragon orders the punishment

if all cp agents, according to you, serve CD's, that only helps my theory out more, that a CD was directly involved

[blissful seal]

What I mean is like, they don’t necessarily send to prison, they can fire u, even them being assholes, like he lost that fruit, as if they asked for it, it’s not like he randomly found that fruit they probably asked him for it, now if it’s a slave device or Joyboy’s I think both suits the fact that he was sent to prison for it because they actually needed that fruit

[green roost]

CD's just simply firing someone? nahhh lmao not happening

theyre making you a slave yourself or sending you to jail for life or killing you, pick one

in regards to enies lobby, that blunder itself never stepped on any celestial dragon toes

lucci and gang were initially chased by the wg as well

[blissful seal]

But my point is that they asked for that fruit

[green roost]

it being joyboy's wouldnt be as great, would make luffy seem like a god messiah, we dont want that

i dont see why anyone needs to jump right away to the most extreme of all possibilities: joyboy, when a plethora of other options is possible

[blissful seal]

It’s not some random fruit, either Joyboy or slave device or something else that’s important

[green roost]

if it was a slave device it could still be random i guess, who knows if the CD's planned to feed boa that fruit specifcally for a while or if they just came up with the idea on the spot

[blissful seal]

But the fact that WW informed about it or was sent to get it, probably sent to get it imo

[green roost]

at worst, the fruit was needed to be fed to imu sama or something like that, but i still dont think it had ancient importance, only modern day importance

[blissful seal]

It’s not like WW gotta tell everything that he’s doing, he’s gonna tell them only stuff that matters to them

[green roost]

we know he knew the name of the fruit , but you could read a DF encycplopedia to get that information

sanji has

[blissful seal]

I mean Kaido mentioned him when talking about Luffy so it’s kinda already done

Yeah so what

He could still not tell them about it

[green roost]

? that doesnt mean luffy is a god messiah, just someone who represents what joyboy did in the past, every once and while you may com across people that are similar sometimes in attitude, that doesnt mean they have a god connection

[blissful seal]

If I work for CD, why would I tell them about a random fruit I found

[green roost]

huhhhh? umm, well...because you work for a CD...thats a silly question lmao

otherwise you arent doing your job and hiding shit from your boss lmfao

get fired

no wait, get sent to impel down

[blissful seal]

I didn’t say it makes him a messiah, I’m saying he represents Joyboy in the past so it’s natural for people to assume that he has even more links to Joyboy, heck Kaido could even know about the fact that it was Joyboy’s fruit

[green roost]

again, that doesnt all of a sudden link luffy to joyboy having the gum gum, thats a huuuuge reach like a gum gum pistol level reach , you know kaido was part of rocks right? rocks dabbled in taboo subjects, as said by sengoku, kaido probably knows a shitload about history and one piece stuff, none of that has to mean he was talking about gum gum fruit specifcally at all like what

he could be referring to the same exact thing oden is referring to when talking about all that stuff

and so just because luffy lost, hes not joyboy, right? i thought he has the gum gum , why would kaido say hes not joyboy if he has the gum gum like joyboy did? still doesnt make sense

[blissful seal]

Gtg sry

[green roost]

lol all good, got carried away with this convo x) didnt expect to talk so long about it

[whole jewel]

Ik Jabra had some beef with Lucci but could he be apart of the new CP-0? I mean I guess if he was he would've been shown already but it just pains me to see zoro's match reappear but sanji's doesn't

One of the CP-0 members fits his physical appearance if I recall

[slate zodiac]

Yeah it reminds me of kuma getting beat up for fun

[sharp spear]

im starting to create theories of who mom's luffy is..

from what i got is that she would be Toki's sister and she would be like an sub rare type of skypian and she has the moon moon no mi and she lives in the moon

[green roost]

[trim flicker]

Rubber fruit vore fetish confirmed

[grizzled fog]

Mom’s luffy

[gray kettle]

Maybe Crocodile wasn’t the one turned into a guy

Maybe it was Dragon

[weary cliff]

That's like taking all of the slightly possible backing out of your shitpost theory in exchange just nonsense. Kudos

[bright eagle]

Speaking of moms, maybe Gomu Gomu was eaten by Roger's wife. That's how she was able to carry Ace for 20 months. The fruit was protected because the fruit has connection with Roger.

[waxen dust]

I was thinking this as one of the possibilities. Definitely agree with you

It makes sense too cause physically she can use the rubber to expand her stomach and hold Ace in there for a longer time

[rapid oar]

didnt oda say through sheer willpower she held ace inside her for 20 months

[rain stump]

She had the elephant-elephant fruit, which gave her an extended gestation period

18-22 months LOL

[real marten]

SUS?

[light pond]

Here is another set of crazy theories like the time oden appears in front of the scabbards lol

[latent totem]

Joyboy appear in front of luffy and momo

Honestly I didn't wanted gomu gomu to be special but oda going that route

I always liked it as a stupid fruit which luffy master

[dense wing]

Gomu Gomu doesn’t seem to be special cuz of powers

So you don’t have to worry

It’s just ab it’s significance

If you hate that idea tho, well sorry LOL

[pure raven]

I agree
But dont want it to be connected to joyboy xebec or roger(he didnt use df)

[sharp spear]

what if gomu gomu is the only way to open one piece?

[dense wing]

No lol

We know what is needed to get to One Piece

[latent totem]

Straw hat is probably the way to open one.piece

[sharp spear]

btw i made an theory of what oda inspired to make the one piece

[dense wing]

I doubt

It’s literally the Road glyphs

4 road glyphs point to Laughtale

[sharp spear]

btw i also made an theory that the straw hat is just an replacement for a cross

[dense wing]

Then bam, One Piece

[jade tendon]

Gum gum fruit was probably sought after by WG because it was the only known fruit to directly counter white beards fruit

[pastel summit]

well, technically the glyphs are to get to laugh tale, not necessarily to get to "One Piece"

[sharp spear]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q4rdZfp2r4MyPhIk1EAOqhEFL42Gg6T7R20c030KNJk/edit?usp=sharing btw if u guys would like to check my one piece treasure theory it would be an pleasure

[waxen dust]

okay sure, I’ll bookmark this in my memes folder 📁

[sharp spear]

thanks

[thick sky]

bookmarking in memes folder

[sick valley]

Gomu gomu no was being transported to vegapunk

[sharp spear]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q4rdZfp2r4MyPhIk1EAOqhEFL42Gg6T7R20c030KNJk/edit?usp=sharing ima post it again cause i had some errors

[tardy dune]

Oh dear lord from the preview you're tying in Jesus

I dunno if you know this, but Christianity is nowhere near as prevalent in Japan as America. I heavily doubt Joyboy would be based on Jesus Christ.

[sharp spear]

but you checked it right

it makes alot of sense that JoyBoy would be based in Jesus

from what i found Bartholomew Kuma and Kozuki Oden are based in two apostles

[tardy dune]

How does this matter? Oda is not portugese

How does this matter at all

[sharp spear]

because of an city from brazil

it connects everything cause it's an city that is only inhabited womans and a name of the city is "Lamb" which Oda would inspire it from here the Woman's Islands

[tardy dune]

And if you have any proof of that inspiration beyond women that'd be neat

[sharp spear]

https://guardian.ng/life/the-brazilian-town-inhabited-by-only-women/

also there would be an high chance that the Gorgon Sisters are inspired in two brazilian folklores characters that is "snake honorato" and "boitatá"

[void trout]

I quit the theory when I read jesus

[blissful seal]

Me neither

[upbeat mist]

wouldn't cp9/rest of wg have more of a focus on luffy/his fruit if it was really joyboy's? I don't get why cp9 for instance wouldn't kill him if the gomu was THAT important

[blissful seal]

Well no he’s just explaining that Luffy isn’t as impactful as Joyboy etc. He saw a spark in him but then he got shut down which drops the idea of Luffy being as great as Joyboy. Luffy was promising but he failed and therefore isn’t comparable to Joyboy even though they had the same fruit, he could’ve said the same thing but remplaced with Roger due to the strawhat

If you’re Kaido and a kid in front demonstrates his gum gum abilities and happens to impact you, you’re gonna be surprised how that he could carry on Joyboy’s will, but then you defeat him and throw him out as if he was a toy, then you say what Kaido said, it’s logical, I mean I’m not saying gum gum was Joyboy’s fruit 100%, I’m just saying it’s logical to believe so but at the same time there’s other possibilities which are hard to think about due to the lack of information

And throwing the theory out of the window just because u don’t want One Piece to be too simplistic in its development process of legacy etc. isn’t realistic cuz Luffy already had the whole « legacy » thing attached to his name since a lot of time now, it’s nothing new that people expect big from him and when someone like Kaido links himself with Joyboy specifically and when few chapters later there’s WW who says all that, it makes sense to believe so, regardless of the editor’s note, ig we’re gonna see if the official version says things differently

I’d say that the Joyboy theory is as equal as any other theory regarding the gum gum fruit cuz it could be anything based on the lack of information, but so far it is plausible and not too out of the blue or something, but obviously I’d love if Oda twists it all the way and makes it something totally unpredictable, it’s just justified for fans to have Joyboy theories regarding it

Gl reading that

[green roost]

I’m not throwing it out the theory only because of shallow reasons , it’s many reasons compiled as well as those , I did say earlier that throughout the whole series there have been absolutely nobody that said anything significant about luffys gum gum powers. Only the dude who lost his fruit one time. Kaido, who knows so much about joy boy , hadn’t said a goddamn word about the gum gum fruit to even himself in his own thoughts in his head , gorosei who already know about luffy , haven’t said a single word about the gum gum fruit. Doflamingo who we know for a fact knows special secrets , called fruit stupid , I don’t know why you’re hyper focusing on that one statement I made when I’ve also said the above before as well

It’s still a huge reach to say kaido was referring to gum gum powers , nobody has ever even said it by name and referred to it as special , nobody has ever even alluded to it “oh my god, your ability…” nothing like that

[blissful seal]

I didn’t see u talking about those ones I just replied to the one paragraph u sent

Like I was late to the party when it comes to the conversations u had lol

[green roost]

The joy boy theory is just what odas baiting people into believing , especially the editor comment at the end, but those editor comments are always full of hot air 🙄

I’m pretty sure I mentioned that part too , at leas I think I did, from how many times I’ve been repeating this theory already x)

I just think there might actually be significant retcons be made if his fruit is special from the void century , people would have said something by now

[blissful seal]

The last time u mentioned Doflamingo it was in spoilers lmao, not with me

Now that we’re talking I’m reminded of something, let me look into it

[mystic crown]

Ok hes a theory. Dont know if its been said yet. I believe that the Mihawk and Shanks Legendary duel. Took place at the sight where the gomu gomu fruit was stolen. Now what do we know about this fight. Not much. But this would have taken place relatively close to when Shanks was about to go into the East Blue. And whitebeard did note how shocking it was that shanks lost his arm not in the duel with mihawk he heard about but from the East Blue indicateing the events being somewhat close. I thinks its an idea i dont have much evidence though

[green roost]

Let me know im curious

[wintry lake]

Boring episode at least luffy is alive and it’s waking up

[mystic crown]

I found my favourite theory for the gomu gomu fruit importance. 12 years ago Im has the Uranus which shapshifts into the greatest threat to the world government. It shape shifted into the fruit which was soon to be his. He sent cipher pol to search and retrieve the fruit which they did however the ship was unfortunate enough to cross shanks that casually raided it. After taking the fruit they went to the east blue and whos who was sent to Impel down for failing such a crucial mission. Jeopradizing the world governmet even more than when Lucci lost. In present day Luffy has strawhat and thus Thats why we saw the giant strawhat in the basement.

[blissful seal]

Bro......... @green roost

Gum Gum was 100% Joyboy’s fruit

It was already basically shown to our eyes before what WW said

And maybe another person too it seems

Someone in between Joyboy and Luffy had the fruit it seems

Since whoever that is died when WW was around

[night crystal]

seems like we're gearing up for a shanks arc next with all this gomu gomu stuff

[blissful seal]

And so Kaido saw that person and makes the remark that Luffy either couldn’t take on Joyboy’s legacy

Wonder who that other gum gum fruit holder was probably someone totally new

[mystic crown]

Joyboy theories are ass

[silk plume]

maybe joyboy had the gum gum fruit. rocks wanted to be the next joyboy and ate the gum gum fruit. kaido notices luffy has the gumgum fruit and says he can't be joyboy either

[normal plume]

Joyboy having the gum gum fruit would also tie in deeper meanings to Imu cutting up Luffy’s picture even though he really isn’t as big time as others yet and there are lots of Ds

[hasty python]

nah its probably joyboy or roger

shanks stealing the fruit would make more sense if it was rogers

[normal plume]

Because it’s highly likely Imu and Joyboy go way back

[oak mural]

it was never rogers frt u think rayliegh wouldnt know it ?

[hasty python]

rayleigh dosen have to tell him you know

[grizzled fog]

If it was Roger’s someone would’ve mentioned it by now

[blissful seal]

@green roost actually ignore the 1st panel I sent but yeah

[ancient vault]

what dud the editor say?

[green roost]

look at the last page

[green roost]

still doesnt imply it, i see what youre getting at but my argument stays exactly the same

[amber oar]

funny, I always had the feeling that Oden and the Scabbards were like Jesus and the apostles. In several senses. Rather than seeking wise and skilled men, both went for misfits trying to find a place in the world. And both found their demise due to a traitor among them

Shinobu would come to be Mary Magdalene, the unofficial female apostle

[sharp spear]

damn thats interesting

@amber oar so what i had in mind is that Toki is Mary that is Mother of Jesus and Luffy's Mom would be the Second Mary name Salomé

[sonic canyon]

So I was scrolling through YouTube comments and found this 🤔

[blissful seal]

We’re going in circle let’s drop it, as long as the story is good I’m okay with whatever it happens to be lol

[icy garnet]

If the gomu gomu was Roger’s I feel at least Garp would’ve told him about it

[hazy frigate]

I think that there was a guy not necessarily named joyboy, who tried fighting the world government, he tried to free and unite the world but he failed, I'm sure there is civilization who were being oppressed by world govt and they made a prophecy like madam shyarly and thought there savior would come named joyboy..but the last guy who had gomu gomu no mi tried and failed ..they must have believed this is joyboy

[icy garnet]

I like the idea that a CD wanted to feed the fruit to a slave

[charred tapir]

gonna go with the same principle as law maybe? if the other user got strong haki, kidd can't just do that unless he's stronger than them

[blissful seal]

I don’t even know why I debate/theorize about One Piece, I never liked that

[hazy frigate]

The fact that the name joyboy is influenced by this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayabaya and what kaido said tells us that joyboy isn't some name it is some sort designation

So I highly believe people must have believed the previous gomu gomu no mi users were always thought to be joyboy

With each user coming and going ..even kaido thought this guy isn't it ..

[icy garnet]

I don’t agree with that, based on the fact that Roger thought it would be his son to find the OP next

[bitter lagoon]

Guys you know how big mom ate mother caramel and gained her devil fruit power?

[icy garnet]

The WG and Marines give their officers DFs to increase their strength, even random fruits like Hina and Khalifa’s. Given how expensive and hard they are to get, the WG would obviously be angry at CP9 for failing to guard a df

[sonic canyon]

would be a sad moment

[icy garnet]

Luffy’s father being Dragon was mentioned long ago, I feel him having JoyBoy or Roger’s fruit would’ve been mentioned by now given how many people he’s encountered that have met Roger

Garp, Rayleigh, Whitebeard, Buggy, Kaido, BM

[hazy frigate]

But still 12 years prison .. shouldn't rob Lucci and those guys from cp9 should be arrested too

Considering they failed so massively

[pastel summit]

they tried and failed to capture them

[hazy frigate]

And think about it if there had been many users of gomu gomu no mi besides the last guy who attempted to unite the world ..800 years ago..and other users not even trying would the world govt ..without any information just put bounty on a guy based on devil fruit

[icy garnet]

Maybe Spandine could’ve probably protected WW to some extent, but given that his son was implicated in the Enies Lobby incident he would’ve pulled all the strings he had

[hazy frigate]

And on top of it the guy being the grandson of garp

[icy garnet]

Robin had a 79M bounty as a kid because she could read poneglyphs. If the gomu gomu was really that significant and the government wanted it back it would’ve definitely reflected in Luffy’s first bounties

Even Germa could manipulate Sanji’s bounty for a wedding

The WG would be a lot more wary about a potential JoyBou

[hazy frigate]

True ..I just believe there is atleast some significance of gomu gomu no mi..I think ..and maybe awakening it might answer why WG was after it

What I believe is the df gomu gomu no mi isn't special ..due to Last user who tried fighting using that also got defeated...but it was still important to the WG bcoz it was used by a guy who fought WG

[pure raven]

I read a theory somewhere that said something along the line of like basically. 12 years ago when the fruit was being transported, who was the strongest pirate? Whitebeard, with the power of the gura gura fruit. Well what if that was supposed to be their countermeasure? Similar to Luffy's rubber having an immunity to lightning, perhaps Luffy also had some sort of resistance to these tremors because of his elasticity? And they planned on giving the fruit to someone in the government in the hopes of having someone powerful to take down Whitebeard.

Just read further in chat and someone already brought it up. Oops

[ancient vault]

I could see them trying to get the fruit to turn the red line into rubber

[pure raven]

When we talk about the WG they don't take care about peaceful pirates like WB the most likely scenario to happen is a deal with a pirate and sell it to WG the same as opi opi no me 13 year ago ,but what about shanks known about the deal thats the mistake which who's who did and because of that he was put in prison

[pure raven]

And what after that

[pure raven]

Yeah maybe especially dofi explain the importance of opi opi no mi and thats may give us a light about the goal of keeping deal secret and its role with the national treasure

[hazy frigate]

I read that theory too ..and it sounded interesting ..if that is the route oda takes the series ..where luffy's fruit was to counter white beard..I wouldn't mind..

[pure raven]

I don't think really that the WG intended to use it to fight whitebeard directly, more of an insurance policy incase of an event that couldnt be avoided (like marineford). It would also give Luffy some type of advantage against Blackbeard in that inevitable fight

[pure raven]

now he is BB

[ancient vault]

protect it from breaking

[pure raven]

So shanks and crew knew that luffy ate the gum gum fruit that gives the ability to turn into rubber

Well shanks attacking a navy ship for no reason and taking the df they had (probably hidden in ship ) and knowing about that df properties.

Sus

When was the df that momo ate made by vegapunk do we have any time period mentioned ?
Like xyz years ago? Smth like this?

.

Because if it was somehwere 12 13 14 years back then is it possible that vegapunk was working on 2 df ime gomu gomu and momos df

(Gomu gomu being a prototype with minimal abilities .)

However he succeded in creating only gomu gomu and momos df ended in failure ?

P.s

I will like it if oda did it this way rather them making gomu gomu special
Or it having any connection with xebec roger (iirc he didint eat df) or joyboy

[rocky pelican]

yes fr liffy eating the gomu gomu was def pllaned at this point

[reef grotto]

just stop, the gum gum fruit is not relevant for anyone except for a random celestial dragon who wanted it

[limpid sequoia]

then wouldn't CP0 be involved and not CP9?

[reef grotto]

everybody knows about luffy and didn't say anything, it's something else

[reef grotto]

not necessarily, it's not like there's enough cp0 for them to be constantly at the orders of every single celestial dragon

they specifically protect them, but it they want something they probably send someone else

they're "aegis" zero, not "handyman" zero

[reef grotto]

again, a celestial dragon

[pure raven]

Celestial dragon durectly orders cp0

And it was mentioned fruit was imp to wg not cd

[reef grotto]

the celestial dragons are part of the world government

[pastel summit]

don't take the editor's note seriously.

[reef grotto]

and if they say "the WG guards it" it simply means that the cp9 was guarding it

[limpid sequoia]

I just don't see how it is satisfying for Oda to hype the fruit up for a chapter just for us to find out that it literally meant nothing and WW was in prison for really, no reason at all.

[reef grotto]

it's literally just a chapter, we're gonna get the explanation next week

[hasty python]

hes frm cp9 tho

[reef grotto]

which is going to be very important to the plot, because it means luffy has the devil fruit of a slave

[limpid sequoia]

we already know how shitty the celestial dragons are, that doesn't need to be central to anything any more because we already understand it and hate them.

[reef grotto]

the point of this thing is to give thematic relevance to the gomu gomu no mi not to the CDs

it establishes that it's a fruit that they wanted to feed to a slave, like they did to hancock

[hasty python]

nah its gotta be having more relevance than that

[reef grotto]

proof of this is that who's who is being put against a former member of the sun pirates, who were slaves

[limpid sequoia]

the relevance has to do with the main theme of willpower meaning more than actual strength as we've seen time and time again Luffy bounces back and wins against people "stronger" than him almost every arc, him being innately rubber helps us understand that a little more.

[hasty python]

and anyways cp0 is the one directly under cd cp9 works for the wg

[limpid sequoia]

that is just headcanon and not proof but okay

[reef grotto]

there is way more evidence that this is the case than there is for it being joyboy's fruit

if it were joyboy's fruit it would be so fucking weird considering all the times we've already seen the gorosei, and imu and them would've send the cp0 after luffy if they knew it was a dangerous fruit, or they would've given some hint to the reader about it

[limpid sequoia]

There is no evidence for literally anything, The only things we for sure know is that Shanks knew the name of the fruit before Luffy ate it, it was stolen 12 years ago, WW was apparently supposed to guard it and failed leading to him being imprisoned even though he was supposed to be a prodigy on a similar level to Lucci.

none of those things lead one way or another yet, the only thing I can maybe get out of those facts is that the fruit was quite important to someone and that could go any which way.

[reef grotto]

we know celestial dragons like to hoard devil fruits to give to their slaves, and they are the only ones that have the power to send people to impel down over trivial things like losing some treasure. We've been told many times that they buy them at auctions and feed them to their slaves, and luffy's fruit being a paramecia has always been brought up when he's beating people above him, especially in the god enel fight. It being a fruit for a slave fits perfectly with why who's who was imprisoned for it, as well as why it's important to show us its story. Shanks only knew the name of the fruit beforehand by chance, because it was shown with a picture in a book

[trim flicker]

Someone wanted a rubberman to encase them for "reasons"

[reef grotto]

those are the reasons why it should be an order from a CD. As far as the fruit being joyboy's fruit, you have literally nothing, not to mention that you'd have to come up with a weird excuse for why the gorosei never talked about luffy's fruit, not even once, and why imu didn't send the cp0 after luffy after enies lobby

[limpid sequoia]

that's almost all headcanon after you say that Celestial Dragons buy devil fruits, it's like you forget who leads CP9

[reef grotto]

it's the World Government, who is at the orders of the celestial dragons lol

[limpid sequoia]

no it's spandam

[trim flicker]

Actually, maybe the gomu gomu has something to do with gigantification and research

[reef grotto]

boa hancock's backstory and the CD buying fruit at the auction are not headcanon lmao

[reef grotto]

what. the. fuck. Spandam, just like all of the WG, is at the orders of the celestial dragons. They're literally the highest authority beside the gorosei and imu lmao, what the fuck

[limpid sequoia]

yeah you're right, but if you reread what I said I stated that everything after you pointed out those facts is headcanon because we have no possible idea yet what the fruit actually meant to the WG

[strong latch]

What yall talking about

[reef grotto]

please, stop this lol

[limpid sequoia]

and you seem to have no idea how many people it would take for a celestial dragon to even get a message to someone like Spandam, the WG is structured like a military, with a decentralized command, the Celestial Dragons don't literally give every order to the Marines.

[reef grotto]

they have the cp0 at their direct orders, the cp0 can just report directly to cp9

not to mention that they might even just have the cp9 as well at their disposal, we just never heard of it because the cp0 is naturally more important

[trim flicker]

No

[reef grotto]

it's likely that the celestial dragons can just say they want something and the WG's official in the nearest location report to whoever they must to accomplish the goals of the CDs

they literally live in a world government military station after all

they routinely see admirals strolling around from what we've seen

[limpid sequoia]

The only times we've seen the Celestial Dragons were at Sabaody, Boa backstory, Fishman backstory, Reverie, and I can't remember a single time where they interacted with CP9 directly or indirectly

[rugged harbor]

how would that make sense when gigantification or any other advanced usage of the fruit require u to know advanced haki or else it would cost your lifespan tho? when haki itself isnt even a known thing to like 90% of the population of the OP world lmao

[reef grotto]

they don't need to have interacted with cp9, they're literally the heads of WG

it's like saying that sengoku couldn't give orders to smoker and tashigi when they were at loguetown, simply because he was too much of a higher up

[rugged harbor]

they dont have to interact with them , cp9 and cp0 do the dirty work for them
the CDs directly interacting with them would just make the CDs look even worse than they already do and raise even more suspicions

[limpid sequoia]

You fail to realize that the gorosei are the only ones that actually control anything else, and the whole point of me arguing with you was for you to give actually canonical evidence to prove your point, but all you've done is create headcanon ways that it could be semi-plausible. which is exactly why I explained earlier that while the Joyboy theory has no legs to stand on, neither do you.

[limpid sequoia]

the point I'm trying to make is that canonically in the story so far we don't see the Gorosei or Celestial Dragons once directly or indirectly order CP9 to do something so what Anarchist is Theorizing isn't really a Theory but just his own headcanon.

If you can find an instance where that happens then I will be willing to change my mind, but the burden of evidence is on that which makes a claim.

[rugged harbor]

i mean yeah , we never saw them directly order them thats what im explaining , ordering them directly would make them look bad so they will never do it pretty much

[reef grotto]

"Through the tremendous political power they have with the government, they can order things of such magnitude and triviality like the creation of a bridge that connects every island for no reason other than they simply wanted to, as well as make any commoner they want into a slave of theirs right off the street. They can even enslave royalty as was shown when Charlos attempted to enslave Shirahoshi, the princess of the Ryugu Kingdom. They are also completely immune to the entire legal system and justice set by the World Government, as shown where they are allowed to kill anyone that simply crosses their path. Their political authority is just second to that of the Five Elders who are the highest ranking World Nobles"
from the wiki

they clearly can do whatever the fuck they want, they are political leaders

[limpid sequoia]

I think you guys are forgetting that CP9 doesn't really "exist" almost no one knows about it, and also that every one whether they show it or not knows how shitty the Celestial Dragons are

[reef grotto]

they have power within the government

[reef grotto]

you're saying the world nobles don't know cp9 exists? lmao

[pure raven]

Cp9 are like shadows

[rugged harbor]

he didnt say that

he means that no one else in the world except the higher ups know that cp9 exists

[reef grotto]

so what lol, the orders come from the world nobles

they're the only ones who need to know about them for the theory to be true

[rugged harbor]

cause i said the CDs commanding cp9 would make the CDs look bad , he said it doesnt matter bc no one knows cp9 exists @reef grotto

which is a fair point that i overlooked

[pure raven]

Yeah cd said they wnat gomu gomu as they want to torture a specific slave with this particular fruit?

[rugged harbor]

they never said that , its just speculations

[limpid sequoia]

I can almost guarantee you that Charlos doesn't know shit about anything in the WG, the Gorosei are the only ones that actually "control" the WG the rest of them are just living their lives as "Gods" and a Wiki article doesn't prove anything about your current Theory all it does is show that it's semi-plausible just like every other theory out there right now.

[pure raven]

I m asking that anarchist he stuck on it and not bufging at all

[reef grotto]

okay, I'm gonna stop arguing if you think the world nobles don't know about cp9

[rugged harbor]

some people here just write theories and then consider them as cannon as if they're oda's editors

so just dont focus much on that lmao

[limpid sequoia]

do YOU think Charlos knows anything about the structure of the WG?

[reef grotto]

not necessarily torture, the world nobles just like to have weird slaves, and they feed them dfs regularly

[pure raven]

Yeha like fetish

[reef grotto]

fucking hell, of course he does, he literally commands the cp0 goddamn

[rugged harbor]

we're just here trying to have some fun and going wild with our theories , anything is possible and anything can make sense as long as its backed with actual proof and not basing a theory on another theory lmao

[pure raven]

ah yes

[limpid sequoia]

supreme leader Charlos as he commands CP9

[reef grotto]

"supreme leader Charlos as he commands cp0, an organization much more dangerous and secret than cp9"

[pure raven]

hello everyone what are we talking about also @limpid sequoia how did you get that picture in such good quality i thought saboady animation quality was bullshit

[limpid sequoia]

Sabaody was the arc when shit started to get HD

[reef grotto]

as I said, I'm gonna stop because you're being an idiot

[rugged harbor]

yeah sabaody is when the quality started to improve i was ab to say

[limpid sequoia]

you still have yet to prove anything

[rugged harbor]

i think the start of sabaody had doomed quality but then it improved at some point

[pure raven]

Still i will think of it as far fetched that
Just cause cd wanted gomu gomu and then whos who (a genius ) who lost it in a fight against shanks (becam yonko 6 years back and he should have at least some name 12 years back )
And then wg sent whos who to level 6 of impel down lmao wg can do better then sending whos who to impel down level 6

ok wait what are we talking about, is it the whos who situation with the gomu gomu no mi?

Cd with gomu

[limpid sequoia]

I agree, it is very odd that they would send a prodigy of CP9 to prison just for losing a devil fruit, but we kinda just got to wait for more info before anything starts to make sense

[pure raven]

A useless df that cd wanted to use for fetish

Why who's who looks like Dadan

[jade agate]

is that confirmed?

[rugged harbor]

i mean the dumbest theory i heard in the past 24h is that "the gum gum fruit belonged to joy boy and after the creation of the ancient weapons he made the gum gum fruit sort of a key to use those weapons as a way to ensure no one else would use those weapons for destruction and malice.
thats why roger wasnt able to do shit after reaching laugh tale and thats why luffy is the only one actually able to obtain the one piece"
which even tho it sounds dumb as shit , is still plausible to a certain degree

[trim flicker]

I mean we dont know the full powers of the gomu yet but luffy is one of the only characters i can think of that readily change his body size at will for a combat advantage

[rugged harbor]

nope

[pure raven]

No

[jade agate]

oh okay

[rugged harbor]

that theory just shows that no matter how fuckin dumb a theory is it still can be possible so we cant rule any theory out rn

[limpid sequoia]

I mean anything is plausible and I guess to that degree it depends on how you interpret the giant Strawhat on ice in mariejois, but it could really go any way from here. But to me it seems like Shanks somewhat targeted the gomu gomu no mi because he knew the name of it essentially right after stealing it from Who's Who

[rugged harbor]

yeah it felt extremely targetted and planned , and if we learned anything from the past few years its that shanks doesnt make moves that arent precisely calculated

thats why im extremely sus rn

as i said , anything is possible

but just more things are more believable than other theories i guess

[reef grotto]

you must've been sleeping when carlos shot random people for no reason uh

[trim flicker]

Maybe weve already seen it. The gum gum fruit is a counter to all electric powers which is a huge thing

[reef grotto]

this whole chat is so cursed

[pure raven]

yes i was

[limpid sequoia]

I know we're getting to end game and all this stuff is important but I really just hope that in Wano we get more of Zoro's character and maybe lineage. Like the fights are cool and all but Zoro's backstory always felt like one SH backstory that just lacked something.

[pure raven]

Totally only zoros background mystery remaining

[dreamy sandal]

He isn't getting it in wano tbh

[trim flicker]

Lightning doesnt really have any other counters too. Maybe enel or his predecessor were targeted but the gomu was the key to beating them

[pure raven]

Holy one is talking

[rugged harbor]

i mean if zoro doesnt end up being from wano im legit gonna riot

[pure raven]

Well he will have to

[rugged harbor]

u dont know that , last time i checked u werent oda's editor

its only a theory rn , dont confirm shit on ur own

[pure raven]

Nah i am not, i am oda

[limpid sequoia]

I really don't know how the SH get out of this situation cleanly enough to get much more of Wano though, seems like there are just too many enimies around for them to have their normal after arc banquet and exposition

[rugged harbor]

idk the darkest thing im worried about is the death of usopp ngl

[dreamy sandal]

His teachers dad is from wano but zoro? I dont think so anymore.

[trim flicker]

Everyone knows oda is chained to his desk with only 3 breaks a day. If he takes more time off than that the shonen jump editors whip him with reeds

[rugged harbor]

cough cough , togashi writing hxh , cough

[limpid sequoia]

I don't think any SH are dying, but ay man if some one has to go let it be Usopp

[rugged harbor]

i mean oda literally wrote usopp as being fine with dying as a hero/brave pirate since the start and we're getting there now so im pretty worried

[trim flicker]

I feel like if he dies it won't be now. Itll be in the final war and he wont be the only one

[limpid sequoia]

I think it will be something like Usopp has to make a choice that could "kill" him so that he can save one of the crew members but the act of him being brave enough to make that choice is a good enough arc for him, I don't believe that he has to die to be brave.

[trim flicker]

Already happened. Dudes jumped in front of people he had no business messing with

[rugged harbor]

i mean , its just gonna be him sacrificing himself for luffy , if it happens that is
so yeah i dont think it will happen in wano bc he will be stuck in the lower floors cleaning up and wont make it up to luffy vs kaido main event so most likely it will be in the final war

[trim flicker]

I kinda think yasop will die in front of him long before he passes too

[limpid sequoia]

well I mean we see him get his skull cracked open every other arc but it has been a slow growth to him being more and more brave each arc

[rugged harbor]

yeah its the only closure for his story arc that actually makes sense , thats the only thing that would showcase ultimate bravery (sacrificing himself for a bigger cause)

[limpid sequoia]

why does everyone want the red hair crew to die?

[rugged harbor]

IKR

although i do believe some of them will actually die too cause shanks vs BB is about to happen @limpid sequoia

and u cant expect a fight of that magnitude to end without deaths

[trim flicker]

Odas gonna feed shanks whole crue to the reaper for development. I dont actually want it to happen

[rugged harbor]

its gonna be like the wb pirates fighting BB post marineford

just a blood bath

[limpid sequoia]

I always thought that we would meet Shanks before his final battle then when Luffy goes to laughtale, that's the same time Shanks and BB fight which leads into the last war with Luffy/BB/WG which is all headcanon, but that's how I see things going.

[trim flicker]

Partially to get luffy properly inspired for revenge, and because luffy surpassing shanks through beating him doesnt seem like the way. But beating the one who killed shanks totally seems like the way things go

[pure raven]

Personally i would like shanks and wg to work together and kill bb and then shaks turning evil much better

[limpid sequoia]

I think that kinda defeats the whole purpose of Chapter 1 tho where Shanks stakes his arm on the future generation

[rugged harbor]

im pretty sure there will be a conflict prior to that but a fight doesnt mean it ends there forever , there will be a fight (probably offscreened) ending with alot of deaths and someone's eventual defeat but a while later during the last war it will happen again to settle things once and for all
thats how i see it happening

and i also think luffy vs BB will happen before the WG cause it wont be a 3 way fight since BB and luffy have the shared enemy of the WG
it doesnt make sense

i think luffy vs BB will most likely happen at reverse mountain then luffy after his victory will sail to marie joie for the final war while just regrouping his fleet along the way

it makes the most sense bc he'd be going there after pretty much defeating 3 yonko and having the 4th one on his side

[limpid sequoia]

let's add the revolutionaries in there too, and I think Pluton will come into play either for BB or the WG because we know from the papers that something happened to vivi/cobra

[rugged harbor]

pluton will most likely play a role in reverse mountain yee , idk im just a strong believer in the all blue theory

[limpid sequoia]

I have it in my head rent free, but we'll only know when we get there

[rugged harbor]

yeah exactly , idk tho it just makes the most sense and is actually based on actual manga references

unlike most theories here

[limpid sequoia]

like a certain one earlier

[rugged harbor]

i also really like the "biggest party being luffy's dream" theory

[limpid sequoia]

you be watching morj alot I bet

[rugged harbor]

its just as silly as described by ace , it makes sense bc of luffy's personality , it explains why sanji is important to luffy's dream and why luffy wanted a musician since day one

i almost never watched morj

im just always on reddit and discord

i just apparently see the sources he gets his videos from either before he does or bc they blow up after he does videos on them @limpid sequoia

the only OP youtuber i really watch is grand line review tbh

[limpid sequoia]

For One Piece theories I just like to look around see ones that might be true and keep a sort of checklist in my head about them, so I "believe" in some but am not really like a die hard for any of them except right now I truly believe that Vegapunk's fruit that momo ate wasn't a failure and that Momo will produce clouds like Kaido can and will stop Onigashima from falling on the Flower capital, then with that you can add some Vegapunk theory about his true motives but I just think it would be the perfect moment for Momo separating himself from Odens Legend and starting his own. Identity has been a major theme of the arc and I really want to see Momo have a great moment that makes him more than just Oden's son and with the CP0 members randomly referencing the fruit as a failure that they hoped exploded with Punk Hazard, it has to come into play this arc.

[rugged harbor]

i lowkey dislike morj bc he doesnt really come up with any of his theories , he literally just reads off theories from reddit which makes me feel like hes making money off of other people's work
thats why i really dont watch him xD

yeah i also believe momo will have a way bigger role soon than what he already did , to me he falls in the same category as usopp where he starts off as a complete coward and slowly develops his sense of bravery which we're reaching for both of them rn

[limpid sequoia]

I think morj has some good analysis of the arcs, he does a really good job capturing the themes of them.

[rugged harbor]

i also believe vegapunk will show up during wano , maybe he tracks down momo bc he realizes that fruit isnt a failure or smth and then he explains everything about devil fruits and smiles that wasnt already explained

thats just my guess tbh

cause we're legit at the end game and there are still massive question marks
maybe vegapunk is the one that reveals the value of the gomu gomu no mi , we never know

[limpid sequoia]

sheesh I wouldn't go that far, we've wanted vegapunk for years but barely have a silhouette and voice for one scene from punk hazard

[rugged harbor]

maybe theres another way of categorizing devil fruits that we dont know of and it makes the gomu gomu no mi the highest on the list or some shit

thats what ive been thinking but its pretty far fetched xD

[rugged harbor]

yeah but it makes the most sense to reveal him now no? , i mean after the fight

wano opened up so many unanswered questions regarding devil fruits and smiles and how smiles are made etc...

i dont think oda would leave those questions unanswered going into literally the final few arcs

timing wise , there isnt another time for him to explain this stuff

its like , i know its 90% not gonna happen , but theres always that small chance XD

[limpid sequoia]

that's the thing, we're probably never getting an explanation about devil fruits in their entirety, and it is reasonable to think that Vegapunk might be actually opposed to how the WG does things. So we might actually meet him in the final arc in mariejois or whenever we learn more about the SSG.

[rugged harbor]

we will get an explanation of the devil fruits for sure , devil fruits tie everything together story wise

its the only link we have to imu probably

[ancient vault]

Hes not really a theory guy. I dont like most of his theories either but u got some examples?

[split hornet]

Recreating devil fruits, momo and his dragon form.. gum gum... 🤯

[rugged harbor]

well from what ive seen on his channel rn , his recent videos
the theory of what the one piece is wasnt his own , theory of usopp dying wasnt his own , probably "the endgame for each straw hat" also is taken from reddit threads

[rugged harbor]

exactly , all of those need answers and no can do that except vegapunk

[ancient vault]

pretty sure the first two ones he never even claimed to be his own theory.
Theyre both common theories accepted in the community

[rugged harbor]

but again @ancient vault i dont watch his vids so i dont really know if he gives credit or not + dont really know if he adds anything

[ancient vault]

everyone knows he didnt come up with usopp dying

[rugged harbor]

yea was ab to say , but to me even if he gives credits i still feel like hes feeding off of other people's work

which makes me kinda less keen on watching it , id rather just go and read the original threads , u get me?

and also , hes not gonna know more about a theory than the actual person that came up with it so being able to comment on the original thread asking questions etc is a good bonus

[ancient vault]

Yeah I get that. Ig hes just taking inspiration and elaborating. I dont really like most of his theory videos anyways though

[rugged harbor]

yeah idk , props to him for what he does since its apparently working but its just not for me xD

anyways , i just think that theres an extra classification for devil fruits that vegapunk has and we dont know of

which makes the gomu gomu so valuable and explains why it was being transported 12 years ago , to vegapunk's lab for research

cause if it was that valuable for the WG , why tf would they be transporting it , also explains why it was just one ship not a whole fleet transporting it (cause they wanted to keep it lowkey and not raise suspicions)

[split hornet]

Think Kaido or queen could, mads might be related to it

[rugged harbor]

i think mads is just amplifications to devil fruits @split hornet such as the cyborg stuff on queen

[split hornet]

It's ancient tho

[rugged harbor]

its maybe an abbriviation for "mechanical adds to df subjects" or some shit

wdym ancient? , it involves judge and queen which arent that old lmao

and judge literally specializes in mechanical suits and upgrades (raid suits)

[ancient vault]

with ancient he meant its in the past. Nothing to think about anymore. Its over

[rugged harbor]

oh , i dont think it would be mentioned the way it was if it was nothing to think about anymore

[ancient vault]

well in queens sense it is because the group doesnt exist anymore and he doesnt give a fcj anymore. He got other shit to worry about

[rugged harbor]

also most of vegapunk's scrapped projects ended up being brought up in recent events

[ancient vault]

From a readers point of view then yes its important

[rugged harbor]

yeah it could be useless info , could also be one of the more important things in the show

maybe mads was the reason why germa was ruling all of the north blue @ancient vault

[split hornet]

🤔not so sure about that

[rugged harbor]

germa was ruling the north blue long ago and fell long ago , mads existed long ago
coincidence? i think not

we're on to something here lads

[ancient vault]

so judge is over 800 years old? lol

[rugged harbor]

nah i think its just like 20 years-30 years ago at most

which means its not old enough to be "just over with"

maybe judge wanted to become family with big mom to revitalize the project and have enough power and money to support it again @ancient vault

i mean its extremely far fetched but u never know xD

[pure raven]

Hmm.Roger's crew had only Buggy as a DF User right?

[rugged harbor]

yes , and shanks has 0 on his crew too

[pure raven]

So Could it be possible that there's something in Raftel which prevents DF users from going there,since Buggy got sick before going there?

[ancient vault]

unknown

[rugged harbor]

it is known but again , not confirmed

like we havent seen roger or any of his crew use devil fruit powers so its safe to assume none of them have any , but its also not completely off the table

[pure raven]

Well that could mean that Luffy,Chopper,Robin And Brook Won't be able to go there

Really sucks lol....especially for Luffy and Robin

[split hornet]

The projects or information they work with could be ancient, just like we saw things on those hieroglyphics

The one enel was looking at, you see them modify a soldier but idk

[tulip vector]

hm

[ancient vault]

I would say ur reaching but I remember that astrology is actually important in OP lol

[teal bay]

u saw a video where they said that oda said in SBS that vegapunk will soon explain about devil fruits

[rugged harbor]

nope , link?

[ancient vault]

pretty sure that sbs is old

[teal bay]

of the video?

[rugged harbor]

of the sbs or whatever proves he said it

[teal bay]

i dont have a limk to the SBS or any prrof but in that video the speaker said that oda once said in SBS that vegapunk will explain the devil fruits . i can give the video link if you want

[rugged harbor]

aight ill take ur word for it , then this just confirms my theory abit more

[teal bay]

yes yes he also said in the video that its logical for vegapunk to come to wano for retrieval of kaido's fruit or kaido and there he explains about them

so confirms your theory 100% now we need to wait for Oda

[rugged harbor]

yee i mean it kinda makes the most sense for it to happen in wano xD

[teal bay]

yeah agreed

[real cairn]

was it revealed whos she pertaining to??

[rustic lance]

not irc, but she was then curb stomped by Blackbeard a few chapters later so it could be him.

[ancient vault]

it wasnt no

[rugged harbor]

probably refers to BB as mills said yee

[ancient vault]

right but bb wasnt in the new world yet so it couldve been someone else too

(if im correct and this panel is right at the end pf the war after shanks ends it)

[cerulean coyote]

I think is not bb too

[rustic lance]

my only logic towards thinking it's blackbeard is the fact the new world is his destination

it's not water tight, so otherwise it's an un-introduced character imo

[last halo]

I think it was Vegapunk

[green roost]

yeah lol same in the end

[modern halo]

Yo yo yo, drop me some new theories about gamu gamu devil fruits

[real cairn]

ah i see i thought i missed out some important info

seems like bonney is a mysterious character

[weary cliff]

My guy. That SBS is like 15 years old

[muted ember]

didn't Oda say in like an SBS, that Luffy, has to be free? if his gomu gomu some super special big bang bong history devil fruit, then wouldn't that diminish?

[oak mural]

ye its old but vegapunk will explain abyt devil frts

[weary cliff]

I don't see how the history of his fruit changes the course of his journey. If anything it just impacts how certain people react to him

[weary cliff]

Eventually. But if you're using it as justification for Vegepunk showing up "soon" as in Wano, you need to reevaluate your evidence

[split hornet]

Cp0 are waiting though for the outcome of the battle wonder if they'll do something

[pure raven]

The RL is in the sea so what about that lamo

[rugged harbor]

probably not , most likely they're there to gather intel for the WG
its just pirates killing each other , WG lowkey wants that to happen lmao

one less threat for the WG to worry about

even if the power balance ends up shifting , its just gonna shift in their favor since its one less enemy + they have their new weapons so they really dont care

[mint sinew]

How do you awaken rubber 🥸