manga-theories

[visual merlin]

Ray more like low 2 bil

Yea he did a lot, but Im sure kaido has done a lot, and he's had much more time to do things

[slate zodiac]

I’m guessing rocks had like high 4 bil since it has to be below wb and roger

[visual merlin]

so I think it makes more sense that kaido would have a higher bounty

[mild kite]

really? I see Ray being high 2 bil at the absolute minimum

[visual merlin]

even if rocks was stronger than kaido is now, which Im not sure about either

[visual merlin]

why's that?

[mild kite]

Doubt Roger would have more than twice his partners bounty

[visual merlin]

that's what most captains and commanders/partners have

[mild kite]

i mean this is all speculation at the end of the day, but thats how i see it

[glacial knot]

But, what about the time before he got Kaido and the rest. Surely his journey hasn't started and ended in 2 years?

[rigid wadi]

Luffy in 2 years will get a similar one after defeating Kaido, so Rocks getting 4-5B in 2 years is really posible

[visual merlin]

Big mom is over twice more than katakuri, kaido surely above twice king or queen

[visual merlin]

WB more than twice above marco

[queen arrow]

Rocks can't have a bounty bigger than Whitebeard's

[mild kite]

No thats just the yonko and their commanders who are wayyy weaker than them. Rayleigh is much closer in strength and authority in the rogers pirate.

[visual merlin]

Yea, but there's not much value we can put in that, since we have nothing on that time if it even happened

it's not just the yonko, it's also kid and killer for example, luffy and zoro

doffy and his men

in any case, I don't think ray was so much closer to roger that they'd feel the need to give him at least high 2 bil

[rigid wadi]

imo Rayleigh must be like 2,3 B

[visual merlin]

Anywhere between like 1.7 and 2.5

in my opinion

[glacial knot]

I'd say Ray would be worth as much as an admiral

The Ice dude (forgot his name) isn't a good example though, I think he'd be higher

[mild kite]

If i had to pick a number for Rayleigh's bounty, I would say 3,146,800,000 based on puns

[queen arrow]

Admirals don't have bounties

[visual merlin]

that's so much higher than everyone else

[mild kite]

Zoro is hitting 3 billion EOS. Im confident in that

[visual merlin]

like, why is he nearly 1 bil above Blackbeard?

[glacial knot]

I know, saying that he'd be whatever they would be worth if they had one

[queen arrow]

which we have no way of determining

[formal igloo]

id be disapointed if he is below 3bil, were talking about the vice captain of the pirate king

[visual merlin]

yes

[glacial knot]

EOS? My hopes are 4b
3b is reasonable though

[formal igloo]

ya

[queen arrow]

the vice what

[visual merlin]

when was vice captain of PK established as something worthy of that?

[rigid wadi]

Zoro will get 2,5 B and Sanji 2,3 B imo

[waxen dust]

I would expect the Dark King to be on 4Bil level, especially when you’re VC of the PK

[mild kite]

All depends on what Luffy's bounty is tho. I say 3 bil with confidence because im confident luffy will be 5.6 bil

[visual merlin]

We've got a yonko at 2.2 bil, it's not standard assumption that a vc would have 3 bil

[formal igloo]

sorry vice captain ****

[visual merlin]

why

the yonko are at 4b, why should a subordinate be there too

[glacial knot]

I mean, we can reach a conclusion by comparing equivalent or near strengths/powers

We know that Garp and Sengoku are on par with the Yonko for example, no? Can't we be confident of that?

[quaint dove]

I can see Rayleigh being extremely high due to him having been to Raftel and being as strong as he is

[waxen dust]

I mean you would assume you have a higher stature as the VC of THE Pirate King over a mere Yonko.

[visual merlin]

the yonko are the type of people roger and WB would have hard ass fights with, why are we acting like being the VC for ANYONE is a good thing

[queen arrow]

no they aren't on part with the yonko, and there's still no way of using that to measure the bounty

[visual merlin]

no, you really wouldn't lmfao

[last halo]

Y'all talk like the Yonko are out of Roger's league

[visual merlin]

the yonko are the top of the world, the PK is just the yonko that wins the race

[rigid wadi]

honestly I hope Oda gets to show more desired bounties soon. Like Marco, Rayleigh, King........And others

[visual merlin]

PK doesn't mean you're so fucking above everyone else that being your VC makes you better than everyone else

[glacial knot]

What about the battle Garp participated in?

[queen arrow]

it's not like Roger has a bounty on the 10 trillions or smth

[visual merlin]

bounty is not just strength

[waxen dust]

nah I would honestly think the VC is indeed on Yonko level as well at that point. WB & Roger were exceptional for their time, the rest wouldn’t be on their level

[queen arrow]

you mean the one before they where in their prime

[visual merlin]

why

the yonko are the people that rival them

[mild kite]

Rayleigh has gotten massive portrayal so far wdym?

[visual merlin]

again, the PK is just the yonko that wins the race, basically

[quaint dove]

Yonko didn’t exist back then though

[visual merlin]

great, now when was it established it's worthy of 3bil?

[queen arrow]

Rayleigh's portrayal doesn't put him above Kaido or Big Mom

[visual merlin]

I don't mean it quite that literally, but these type of people are all rivals and on similar level

[queen arrow]

doesn't put him even on their level

[glacial knot]

I'd say they were all on the same level of progression that stayed consistently parallel throughout

I think they all developed at the same level

[mild kite]

how can I establish something based on speculation

[visual merlin]

that is the point

[rigid wadi]

In some cases it is. Look at Shanks, he haven't been proven to have any territory or fleet at all(just his crew) and he has a bounty around BM and Kaido's ones

[visual merlin]

because someone acted as if it was standard assumption that ray wuld have at least 3 bil

[visual merlin]

he has territory, fleet sure we haven't seen it

[mild kite]

3 bil is under the yonkos usual 4 bil. No one is putting him on kaido or big moms level

[visual merlin]

and no, not just in some cases

it's all cases

[waxen dust]

I would say WB & Roger are on their own level, anyone else in their generation couldn’t compete. So I think it’s fair to say old Ray would be on the Yonko level

[quaint dove]

But we can’t really call the PK the person who wins the race, it’s technically the person who stands above all the Yonko since they have to get the poneglyphs off BM and Kaido for example

[mild kite]

u dont see the pirate kings right hand at 3 bil? Roger still has a massively higher bounty

[visual merlin]

there quite literally is someone doing that right now, and that doesn't answer the question

[last halo]

I'd say 2.5M at most for Rayleigh too

[visual merlin]

Why should they be their own level, and why is ray on par with their rivals?

[waxen dust]

Because Whitebeard & Roger are legends

[visual merlin]

He stands above by finding raftel, not by going and dueling and winning against each of them, or proving he is above them by miles

[visual merlin]

as are the yonko

[mild kite]

Which is his temporary bounty that will probably shoot up. Ur comparing a veteran like rayleigh to a newborn yonko.

[visual merlin]

are you responding to the wrong message?

[queen arrow]

that doesn't make sense

[waxen dust]

Not to the same degree tho, they have massive praise, but they not matching WB or Roger

[mild kite]

Im pretty sure im not.

[visual merlin]

what did that message have to do with BB

[last halo]

Didn't Roger have to sneak into BM's territory to get a copy of the poneglyph? If he's so isolated on his level, why didn't he just went straight on, battled her and took the poneglyph?

[visual merlin]

there's no reason the difference would be big enough that a subordinate would be on par with their rivals

[mild kite]

oh mb i thought u were talking about bb. Who were u referring to?

[visual merlin]

that specific message is referring to rayleigh

[rigid wadi]

the captain usually gets a much bigger bounty despite first mate and vice-captain being really Strong too. Zoro has 320 M compared to Luffy, who has a 1,5 B. BM has 4,4 B, compared to Katakuri who had barely 1B

[visual merlin]

Im asking when it was established that being roger's vc means you're worthy of 3 bil

[amber oar]

Collateral damage

Sure he was ready to fight for death if he was caught, but far better if he could sneak without incident

[waxen dust]

I mean he doesn’t have to engage in confrontations every time, what would be the point of invading WCI if he’s just making a pitstop for the bigger goal?

[visual merlin]

you said no one said he's as strong as the yonko, I pointed out there is someone currently doing that

[mild kite]

When was it established that it was only worth 2 bil?

[visual merlin]

it hasn't been, that is the point

[mild kite]

so u were referring to bb?

[visual merlin]

how did you get there

[mild kite]

who is currently doing that

[queen arrow]

there's nothing stablishing that Rayleigh's bounty should be that high just because he's Roger's subordinate

[visual merlin]

@waxen dust

[waxen dust]

I wouldn’t say the gap is THAT big, but WB & Roger are the pinnacle of the Pirates. So it would make sense for the right hand man of the PK to be on Yonko level

[visual merlin]

no, it really wouldn't

is marco also yonko level?

[mild kite]

but there is nothing establishing it should only be 2 billion or lower. All speculation

[last halo]

Exactly. Because he isn't that much stronger than BM. People act like he was that much above everyone else, which there isn't really any way to gauge. Because of that they assume Rayleigh must also be on a league of his own in terms on YC's...

[waxen dust]

Not talking about Marco tho, he was like a young kid back then as well

[grizzled fog]

Marco isn’t even remotely comparable to the yonko. And I don’t think whitebeard or roger are absolutely leagues ahead of kaido or BM either

[visual merlin]

I know, I brought up marco

[mild kite]

oh lmao. I thought u were saying rayleigh bein in the 3 bil to bb's 2 bil means rayleigh is being on the level of the yonko

[visual merlin]

is he yonko level now?

[waxen dust]

Who? Marco or Rayleigh?

[visual merlin]

Roger and WB are a different level according to you, and so Roger's vc must be yonko level

marco is WB's

[grizzled fog]

You had said wb and roger were at their own level so Rayleigh being Roger’s right hand should be yonko level. But Marco is literally the right hand of Roger’s equal

[visual merlin]

so is marco yonko level as well?

[last halo]

What distinguished Roger from BM and Kaido was probably not even his strength, but his nature of making easily making the right friends, just like Luffy. I bet he also had his lucky encounters, like Luffy had..

[waxen dust]

No not Marco, and Rayleigh right now is past his prime

[visual merlin]

why isn't he?

[onyx pollen]

What about Rayleighs knowledge / info

[mild kite]

rayleigh is on a different level to marco in terms of strength and portrayal

[queen arrow]

Rayleigh is not as strong as a Yonko and not certainly worth as much as them

[pure raven]

Cause the way arguments work isn't "Well it's true until something proves it false"

[mild kite]

Agreed. Which is why ill put him at 3 bil and not 4 bil like the yonko currently

[waxen dust]

Because Marco isn’t as comparable if a fighter to WB or Roger. Rayleigh was already in the big leagues during the last era. Marco was just learning the ropes.

[rigid wadi]

imo the only character that is proving to get stronger with the years and having her prime rn due to her power of stealing lifespan, is BM. The others I consider that many of them like Garp and Rayleigh, aren't in their prime

[visual merlin]

why are you talking only last era

Im talking marco in his prime

2 years ago, he was still the right hand of WB

[formal igloo]

agree

[waxen dust]

Because I would argue the pirates of this era are weaker than the previous era.

[queen arrow]

Blackbeard is a Yonko with 2 Billion, i don't think Rayleigh has a bounty as big as him

[visual merlin]

do you know the point being made?

[last halo]

Why?

[formal igloo]

Pirate King > Yonko / Vice Captain of the Pirate King > Yonko Vice Captain (Thanks)

[visual merlin]

why would you do that?

[rigid wadi]

BB is a Yonko due to having 2 DF, having killed another Yonko and conquered his territories.

[visual merlin]

why is the vice captain on the same level as the pirate king's rivals?

[mild kite]

But bounty isnt all about physical strength. Rayleigh can be weaker than current bb and still have a higher bounty. BB is gonna get a big increase post-wano anyway.

[visual merlin]

bad translation

[visual merlin]

right, but why would he?

captains naturally get the benefit of higher bounties

[mild kite]

stephen paul said roger said "killing with intent" fyi

[visual merlin]

rayleigh would also be competing with that disadvantage

[onyx pollen]

Because he knows a bunch of shit that is not common knowledge

[grizzled fog]

Use the official translation

[versed hamlet]

wrong translation

[mild kite]

Agreed. 5.5 bil is much higher than rayleighs 3 bil

[visual merlin]

He knows that after laugh tale sure, and then stopped being a pirate

[queen arrow]

Rayleigh's bounty doesn't get inflated because of his position like the captain gets

[glacial knot]

Could someone send an image please?

[visual merlin]

Not the point, the point was Blackbeard has another advantage when it comes to bounty

the fact that he is a captain

[formal igloo]

aye, that is why 3b is alright for Rayleigh

[visual merlin]

Marco has less than 1.5 billion

[versed hamlet]

this is from mangasee123

[rigid wadi]

imo we could estimate Rayleigh bounty after Wano, considering the new Luffy and Zoro's bounties. Rayleigh will surely have a bigger bounty that Zoro,and considering how near is Luffy's bounty to Roger one after Wano, we will get to make an estimation about Rayleigh bounty

[glacial knot]

Thanks

[waxen dust]

Ok look, Besides the Worse Generation; everyone in between the time of Roger’s death and Whitebeard’s death were substantially less threatening than when Roger was trying to become Pirate King. Only threats around were the former Rocks pirates and for all that time it seemed like not much had changed to cause great battles. So assuming that Marco who is under WB’s ship wouldn’t need to grow as quickly as a fighter as Rayleigh during his time sailing with Roger.

[mild kite]

Which lets him even compete with rayleigh. If bb wasnt a captain, he would have a much lower bounty.

[queen arrow]

[mild kite]

exactly.

[visual merlin]

Marco has less than 1.5 billion

[mild kite]

marco isnt rayleigh. Rayleigh's strength and portrayal is WAY over marcos

[grizzled fog]

I wonder if we’ll ever even learn Ray’s bounty

[queen arrow]

Marco had the same position as Rayleigh in Whitebeard's crew

[versed hamlet]

Probably through a vivre card during the final war @grizzled fog

[mild kite]

he actually didnt officially

[onyx pollen]

Surely they will reveal it

[versed hamlet]

No real way to implement it in the actual story tho from how i see it unless theres a god valley flashback?

[visual merlin]

so much over that he'd get around 2 billion more than marco?

[grizzled fog]

Maybe in sbs

[versed hamlet]

Yeah sbs or vivre card tbh

[mild kite]

Yes. Garp literally called him a legend.

[waxen dust]

Okay let me so let me ask this?
Who wins? Prime Rayleigh or Shanks

[queen arrow]

Shanks

[versed hamlet]

We dont know anything about either of them so why would we guess but probably shanks

[mild kite]

probably shanks

[last halo]

I'll tell you what this is: People want Rayleigh to have a massive bounty because he is supposed to be the level Zoro will reach by EoS. So, Rayleigh with big bounty = Zoro with big bounty.

[versed hamlet]

We havent seen shanks or prime rayleigh fight so thats entirely head canon

[visual merlin]

the word legend can have any sort of a range

some may call Jozu a legend, but sure

[mild kite]

Sure u can use semantics, but rayleighs protrayal is massive in the one piece world. Comparing him to marco is dumb

[visual merlin]

I believe it moreso comes from people liking cool old guys, and wanting to believe they were much stronger than current characters, or impressive

[mild kite]

rayleigh is def gonna be high 2 bil min to 3 bil range. Im willing to bet on it if you want.

[queen arrow]

the gap between Roger and Big Mom is smaller than that

[versed hamlet]

No rayleigh is definitely under the current bounty of blackbeard

[visual merlin]

comparing him to marco isn't dumb, considering their captains were equals in strength, had close bounties, and they are both the right hands

[queen arrow]

and the closest she has to a second in command has 1 billion

[visual merlin]

similar enough to say ray probably isn't going to have 2 bil+ over him

and again, I think ray will be in the 2 bil range, so I would not be betting against that

[versed hamlet]

If i had to guess rayleigh probably had a bounty similar to luffy's current bounty id say

[waxen dust]

I have to believe Rayleigh is in the 4Bil range, no way I can see him any less. He’s just that formidable during his time and is still highly regarded as he’s “retired”.

[grizzled fog]

I imagine ray as around Blackbeard’s bounty

[mild kite]

It is when u compare marco and rayleigh individually. Marco doesnt hold a candle to the likes of Rayleigh

[visual merlin]

Im disagreeing with "at absolute minimum high 2 bil" or "3-4 bil" from others

[mild kite]

and rayleigh was much closer to his captains strength

[versed hamlet]

Or maybe since that blackbeard has a bounty of 2,247,600,000, id guess that rayleigh is like 2,150,000,000? Idk i need your thoughts on this vem

[visual merlin]

He probably does, if we're being honest lol

sure, not by that much though, Im sure

[pure raven]

rayleigh washes marco cmon

[visual merlin]

I mean hey, at least you're not saying he's 4 bil

[versed hamlet]

I cant think of any numbers that really go well with re-I-ri~

[grizzled fog]

That’s reasonable

[mild kite]

...coming soon

[visual merlin]

Problem with this is, when these crews meet, characters like ray don't dominate nearly as much as people expect

[mild kite]

Sanji is getting very close to or surpass 2 bil EOS. book it

[visual merlin]

what does surpass 2 bil mean, as in 2.3, 2.5, 2.7 bil? or get to 3 bil?

[pure raven]

Who have we seen fight that was comparable to Rayleigh’s level/status?

[mild kite]

Id probs say low 2 bil for sanji

[visual merlin]

but there's a reason the roger pirates didn't dominate the WBP

[versed hamlet]

Yeah id say sanji and zoro will still have very close bounties Eos, and if you're using rayleighs bounty as a way to estimate them, i guess you could say zoro and sanji's bounties would be like 2.2-2.3billion

[visual merlin]

if ray and say scopper were as strong as people tend to believe, they'd just have 1 fight oden, and the other beat everyone else

[latent totem]

I wonder how will oda take this fate and destiny stuff from here on.

[versed hamlet]

Do we know oden's bounty? i dont remember but im sure he has one

[grizzled fog]

Any yonko is probably well above him. Admirals are certainly close.

[visual merlin]

we don't know it no

[grizzled fog]

Oden’s bounty is unknown, probably wasn’t too high though

[versed hamlet]

Oh

Yeah probably around 1billion just because of his status and ability to read poneglyphs

[visual merlin]

considering he was only around for a little

[grizzled fog]

Would the gov even know he can do that?

[visual merlin]

I'd say more like 800

word probably wasn't out that he could read the glyphs

so it'd just come down to what strength he shows in those few years mostly

[mild kite]

how long was Oden a pirate?

[visual merlin]

I forget exactly, I think around 4 years

[versed hamlet]

Oh yeah true word probably didnt get out

If it did get out the people in skypiea wouldve told the SH how roger could read the glyphs and etc

[visual merlin]

ah, 5 years it seems

that oden was a pirate

[versed hamlet]

yeah

[rigid wadi]

Do you think Robin will get a higher bounty ? She is getting a good fight after many years vs a Tobiroppo(Who should be around 400-500M) ,imo she has always been a really strong member of SH but never got a good enemy to shine in like 10 years

[visual merlin]

wait no

[pure raven]

Does the world government currently have the ability to read glyphs (do we know)

[visual merlin]

I guess a bit over 4 years?

[grizzled fog]

No.

[tribal belfry]

every strawhat gonna have their bounty increased after wano (besides chopper ofc)

[versed hamlet]

nope

[visual merlin]

I can see robin at around 300

[rigid wadi]

maybe chopper gets an increase to 500 lmao

[tribal belfry]

Imagine Zoro's bounty after wano .-.

[visual merlin]

1.1 bil for zoro

[versed hamlet]

Id imagine imu could read them because he was alive in the void century and this is a huge leap of logic but i think people from back then could read the glyphs

[pure raven]

I think among the mainline villains though, some knowledge of the void century seems somewhat common

[tribal belfry]

watch chopper get a decrease lmaoo. Or they might assume monster point chopper is someone else and give that a different bounty and wanted poster

[mild kite]

1.2 would be a better number for zoro. Odas likes playing with the number 2 in zoros bounties

[visual merlin]

1.12, there you go

[rigid wadi]

nah I first thought he was gonna get recognised his strength for facing Queen, but Oda gave Queen to Sanji and Chopper is now relegated to heal Zoro, so I dont think he will get a bounty raise

[tribal belfry]

after what happened at the rooftop....

[mild kite]

zoro like 1.2 bil minimum for me post wano. Sanji around 770-997 mil if luffy has around 3 bil

[tribal belfry]

He stopped an attack from both yonkos and unlocked COC and scarred Kaido

[last halo]

Yeah, which no one saw happening

[rigid wadi]

Queen is 1,32B , no way Sanji gets under 1B. He will be close to Zoro, as always

[latent totem]

Reminder that Kidd only thanked zoro in the rooftop

[tribal belfry]

I think Zoro's feat is far greater tho

[grizzled fog]

1.2 is closer to the maximum for zoro imo

[last halo]

If the raid were to end now, Sanji would still be higher than Zoro.

[mild kite]

yeah i could see sanji jump to 1.33 bil, but Luffy's would have to be high like around 4 bil imo.

[rigid wadi]

imo Zoro will get 1.5 B and Sanji 1.1 or 1.2. Luffy will get near 4B

[tribal belfry]

sheesh it's scary to think that Zoro's bounty could exceed the amount of the other supernovas

[latent totem]

Too bad zoro gonna solo king now

[grizzled fog]

Supernovas being law and kid? No way lol. Every other supernova? Yea mostly already has

[latent totem]

After fighting kaido and big mom and taking on the world strongest attack

King gonna be so ass against zoro

[rigid wadi]

He is wounded, even if Chopper heals him, he will not be at 100%. Imo Oda will make him have the help of Chopper in battle

[last halo]

World strongest attack

[tribal belfry]

btw, I remember hearing that the OP-OP df has a bounty which was even greater than the yonkou's. So if teh marines have discovered how to steal a DF like BB did during wano, then that would mean Law would be worth himself as well as his DF, making his bounty go up an insane amount

[latent totem]

Chopper is useless .we already saw that against queen.
He can't take on a commander

Law and kidd crew too ass to be close to luffy tier supernova

[mild kite]

apoo bege and probably urouge has a higher bounty than current zoro

[grizzled fog]

The point of bounties is for people other than marines to collect on them though. If the marines wanted the fruit they wouldn’t base his bounty off that, someone else would end up killing him

[latent totem]

Zoro will have a much higher bounty once he take down king

[mild kite]

and hawkins has the same bounty as zoro. Zoro actually is on the low end of bounties

[latent totem]

Killer will take down hawkins meanwhile

Offscreen .

[rigid wadi]

We know Zoro deserves a much higher bounty. He received that to have that competition against Sanji, and Sanji for once having a bigger bounty that him(for barely 10M). But after Wano,Zoro is gonna have a huge increase

[latent totem]

I expect luffy to exceed Blackbeard and at 3.1 b

After he beat kaido

[last halo]

I think the bounties will be something like:
Luffy: 2b to 2.5b
Kidd: 1.5b to 2.2b
Law: 1.5b to 2b
Zoro: 1b to 1.5b
Sanji: 900m to 1.2b

[latent totem]

Kidd and law too high .

[mild kite]

people in this discord might be shocked on Zoro's post-wano. imo they keep lowballing zoro's bounty here

[visual merlin]

luffy can't get a mere 500 mil increase from this

[latent totem]

3b + is guaranteed if he defeat kaido

[rigid wadi]

Luffy will be above 3B easily lmao

[visual merlin]

especially while law and kidd get 1 bil+ increases

same for zoro

[mild kite]

yeah i agree

[tribal belfry]

yea but what I mean is that they would add the bounty on his df on top of a bounty they would give him which is like an extra billion or smtn

[latent totem]

Idk if law and kidd get 1 bil.
Maybe or maybe not.
Depend if they defeat big mom

[mild kite]

luffy post wano will be 3-5 bil

[latent totem]

Which I personally don't think so

[tribal belfry]

I think Hawkins will get abounty buff too

[visual merlin]

Luffy 2.5-3.5
Law and Kidd around 2 bil
Zoro 900-1.2
Sanji 900-1.2

[tribal belfry]

he been doing a lot in wano

[last halo]

I definitely think he'll get to 2.5b

[grizzled fog]

They are easily getting 1 bil. There is 0 chance they don’t

[visual merlin]

that'll be the minimum Im sure

[tribal belfry]

I'd put him at the ranks of Killer

[latent totem]

We will see

[visual merlin]

not the max

[tribal belfry]

new yonkos?

[rigid wadi]

Dunno why, everybody expects them to get powerup and take on BM, but imo she won't get defeated this arc and we will have aditional plot with her in Elbaf, were she will finally be defeated(But is just my unpopular opinion xD)

[mild kite]

See this is what bugs me maan. They treat Zoro and Sanji as if they come in a group package. They are different characters. I dont expect them to have the same close bounties again

[latent totem]

If zoro defeat king then that will be huge boost

[tribal belfry]

zoro def gonna be higher than sanji

[visual merlin]

I put them at similar bounties because I see that gag continuing, and they will have similar feats

[grizzled fog]

They’ll probably be quite close

[latent totem]

Ofcourse bm will not defeated .
Luffy will take her down after all the build up

[tribal belfry]

I think Zoro will get a much larger increase than Sanji's bounty will. But since Sanji alr got a bounty buff from WCI they will even out

[visual merlin]

if zoro gets much larger, it won't even out

sanji is only 10 mil above him

unless much larger just means 10 mil

[grizzled fog]

They’ve always been different characters btw

[last halo]

If Zoro gets up and defeats King, and Sanjin defeats Queen, there's no reason for the marines to put Zoro much above Sanji.

[tribal belfry]

I mean after wano I think Zoro will get 10 mill more than Sanji

[visual merlin]

ah

[latent totem]

Zoro fought kaido too

[visual merlin]

thats a weird way to use much larger then

[tribal belfry]

so I'd say his increase will be 20 mil more than Sanji's

[rigid wadi]

But this time Zoro managed to injure Kaido, face the 2 yonko and after that if all continues as people think, he will face and defeat King. So that's much more than just take on Queen imo, that's why I think Zoro will get some diff with Sanji this time

[mild kite]

well i just see things differently. The whole series Zoro's bounty was always quite a ways from Sanji. I dont see that dynamic changing based on one instance.

[tribal belfry]

lol ig after time skip millions don't feel like much more

[visual merlin]

bounty dynamic already changed, sorry

[latent totem]

Zoro bounty will be beyond sanji probablyn

[tribal belfry]

prolly 10 mil more to parallel Sanji having 10 mil more than zoro after WCI

[last halo]

Yeah, all they know is that he went to the roof and came back almost dead. They don't know about him taking the attack and wounding Kaido. They have no reason to make Zoro much higher than Sanji.

[tribal belfry]

So it can be another gag

[rigid wadi]

Not enough diff.Imo will be a 300M diff

[tribal belfry]

possibly

Zoro def gonna get more no matter what

maybe zoro might hit 1.5 billion and replace Luffy's current bounty

[mild kite]

Based on one bounty increase? Not enough of a pattern to assume it will always be like this, when compared to the 3 times in the series where zoro had a higher bounty

[last halo]

I bet they'll have the same bounty because the difference between King and Queen is the same as the difference between Sanji and Zoro.

[visual merlin]

yes, it doesn't matter how long its been around, that one increase changed the dynamic

it could go back, or it might stay changed

but the fact of the matter is it changed once already

[mild kite]

When Usopp had a higher bounty than sanji post-dressrosa, no one was saying "this is the new dynamic". We knew it was a gag and we knew Sanji will skip past him again in a future arc

[visual merlin]

Im not saying that either, Im saying it changed once and it can stay that way, or change again later, or whatever

[rigid wadi]

We really don't know. King bounty is currently unknown. Maybe he has like 1.6M because an absurd strong hybrid form

[mild kite]

Well ofc there is always a possibility that sanji and zoro will continue this trend. But is it likely? Remember, one instance to 3.

[visual merlin]

also the most recent instance

it could go either way

[mild kite]

so its far more likely that it will go back to zoro being a ways away from sanji

[shy plinth]

I was wondering if maybe the ring eyes could mean the immortality surgery whatever was used because of Mihawks whole vampire theme and I feel that Im is from the void century, it’d be less climactic if Luffy fought his great great grandson. There’s not really any footing for this, though. What do you guys think? Just nah?

I can’t think of any other reason Im and Mihawk would have something in common that COULD affect their appearance

[grizzled fog]

Didnt mihawk have ring eyes when he was younger?

Like even as a kid? That alone disproves this

[shy plinth]

That’s where it falls apart, I have no idea if either are ACTUALLY immortal somehow

Maybe it is nothing then but it is just sbs

I just want oda to say the eyes mean nothing already

[tribal belfry]

what luffy has a grandson

[shy plinth]

I went back and they’re not ringed actually

[shy plinth]

I meant if Im isn’t from the void century it’s some dude who’s just holding the reins, it’d be wild to fight the actual antagonist that captured the world

[tribal belfry]

ah ok

I think Im and all 5 of the elders are from void century

and they've been cycling the OP-OP dfs to gain immortality

and maybe Shanks is their next candidate or smtn

[pure raven]

Do we have any info on any links to vegapunk during the reverie?

[shy plinth]

he doesn’t only dot his eyes even from far away as an adult

[formal igloo]

Nice

[rigid wadi]

Do you think that some Marines will opose to Akainu? We already saw how Kuzan left Marine before being under his orders and Sengoku had to stop Garp from confront him after he killed Ace. I always thought that Akainu's blind faith in "supreme justice" of the Marine will be the fact that destroys the Marine internally.

[pure raven]

it's not supreme justice

it's absolute justice. Akainu has a very strong black and white view on justice and makes literally no gray morality lines. Granted no idea what Akainu himself is capable of doing should he choose to do anything

[rigid wadi]

That's why I think some marines poven to have some gray morality lines.

Imo people like Issho will follow him no matter the consequences of their acts and some other Marines will doubt

[cerulean tapir]

What?
Issho?
You think Issho will be an Akainu lapdog?

Anyways, I think Koby will breed dissent in the marines.
He already has a growing name and showed his care for his fellow soldiers during Marineford so as he continues his history of standing up in the face of unjustice his rep could be used as a point of swaying.

I think Smoker will also dissent but I'd prefer him leaving the marines to Koby's institutional approach for their respective characters.

[honest gazelle]

i think fujitora and kuzan will join rev army

[wintry pelican]

Yamatos joining the crew right

He would be the 9th boy in the straw hats

[high narwhal]

Bon clay should join in future

Making him 10th

[pure raven]

Bon clay alive or dead ?

[warm hollow]

Alive

[high narwhal]

Alive

[warm hollow]

He's the new queen of lvl 5.5

[high narwhal]

In impel down

[pure raven]

Fck i always thought he dies in impel down

Was it revealed that he alive because i dont remeber anything about him being mentioned after he and megalian clashing

[warm hollow]

Yeah well the anime didn't cover it

It was revealed in one of the cover stories in the manga

[pure raven]

Then either i probably missed while reading manga or cant rememver gotta reread again to rememver everything fresh

[warm hollow]

Or you could just go and reread chapter 666 instead of the whole thing

[fallow knot]

I wonder who was the right hand man of rocks d xebec

[pseudo citrus]

maybe just whitebeard? older than kaido/big mom, right?

[sturdy hound]

ye he died at 72, bm is 68 rn

not much of a difference tho

and it's not like age is what dictates that anyway

[pseudo citrus]

yeah that's fair, I was just imagining whitebeard would be the natural choice for first mate

then again it could just be shiki bm... now I wonder if any of BM's kids could possibly be with rocks

[pure raven]

Thnx

[sturdy hound]

she had the triplets back when she was in rocks, but we dont see where exactly is in the brulee fb

so we cant really tell

[formal igloo]

it can possibly be someone other than whitebeard, big mom and kaido

it could be someone stronger, or it could be silver axe

[grizzled fog]

Was most likely Whitebeard if anyone at all. Highly doubt there was some secret crazy strong member we never heard about too

[formal igloo]

i guess

[fallow knot]

Thts what I m thinking.

[lone galleon]

I feel like when ussop finally goes back to syrup village he will find out that kaya is dead. And he will tell all of his stories he has to her grave. (Random 3 a.m thought)

[valid dagger]

He can make law revive her

Without using of his haki

[teal nymph]

who can law revive someone ?

[valid dagger]

Law with ope ope fruit

[pure raven]

Can’t revive people

[valid dagger]

Brah it was a joke

How the hell ussop could make him do anything

[fallow knot]

Usopp need a moment now Or he will become God usopp to lol usopp😂

[zinc iris]

Nex Usopp glory moment will be in elbaf

[opaque pike]

i really believe the theory which states that he will die in elbaf

[rigid wadi]

We need a new little girl with an extremely op fruit to face Usopp and get defeated

[opaque pike]

lmao imagine

[reef grotto]

do you think luffy is stronger than rayleigh right now?

[opaque pike]

no

[rigid wadi]

Nope

[opaque pike]

i dont think the next arc will be elbaf

i think it will be a sabo rescue arc

[reef grotto]

that would be nice if they do it in a new island

but that'd likely take place in mary jeoise

or in the marines HQ

[opaque pike]

it would most likely happen in the new marineford

[reef grotto]

I don't think we'll get there again before the final war

it'd be 2 encounters with the marines too close to each other imo

[visual plinth]

this is purely out of the assumption that sabo IS captured when we in fact don't even know what exactly happened

[opaque pike]

what else could have happend

[muted mortar]

Sabo could have escaped along with revolutionary commanders and the death may be related to kuma or cobra i presume

Its highly unlikely that sabo got captured and we'll get marineford 2.0. it will be quite the bad thing to happen for the story imo

[opaque pike]

for the story

it would be bad yes but oda likes to make post time skip arcs like pre time skip arc

alabasta-dressrosa
enies lobby-whole cake

[muted mortar]

Btt he doesn't like to ruin the story with repetitive content i guess

They were basic ones with completely different characters and different story the only common thing was luffy's crew and shichibukai

They were some necessary things for the story to happen and for the things to reveal for future

[opaque pike]

yea most likely it will be elbaf or smthn

[muted mortar]

Yess i think that for sure

[opaque pike]

imagine if straw hats die and one piece ends in wano

that wont happen ik

[visual plinth]

There are multiple ways oda can go about it don't get why a lot of people seem to say either sabo died or is captured. Yes the reactions indicate that something terrible might have happened to sabo BUT it was left very vague as to what actually happened and Sabo being captured will all just lead to MF 2.0 and just extend the story when we still have elbaf,lodestar,laughtale and the final war. Also one of the big reason's ace's execution was such a huge deal was because he was rogers son while yes sabo is from the revolutionary army the WG wouldn't make a spectacle out of it and turn it into MF 2.0

[muted mortar]

Imma stop watching one piece if that happens

One thing I've learned from one piece is to believe in oda. he never disappoints us for sure

He delivers more than what we expect

[opaque pike]

yea just like this time i really thought luffy was going to get a rayleigh flashback and plot armour the shit out of kaido

but no he did the right thing he let yamato take up the fight while luffy regenerates his strength

[muted mortar]

Rn i am only excited about how the hell did the raid become successful

I mean two yonkos can even fuck wg with their crew

[visual plinth]

I like the theory of Sabo being on the run with Vivi (the attempted assassination) and Cobra ( The death) with the blame put on Sabo and they'll come to wano after Onigashima i believe it in even more now after what the anime director said in his recent interview don't know if it was a slip up but yeah

[muted mortar]

I think there will be df awakening of either law or kid

[opaque pike]

luffy will awaken his fruit i think in wano

[muted mortar]

Most likely kid

[muted mortar]

Yaa i thing the chances are high

[opaque pike]

he will rest with the heart pirates

[muted mortar]

If luffy knew any variations in g4 or knew g5 he would've used that earlier

So awakening is most likely the answer

[opaque pike]

dont think g5 will happen in wano

if theres another time skip thats when he learns g5

[visual plinth]

Ryou,CoC coating and awakening? y'all really think we'll get 3 power ups in one arc

[opaque pike]

for kaido it is really necessary

[visual merlin]

nah

he'll get a little bit better at his coating, and just endure the fight

might make a new g4 form to fight kaido better with, but that's not really a powerup

[muted mortar]

Cp0 is waiting to fuck the pirates from behind

[visual plinth]

it's IMPOSSIBLE he awakens his fruit this arc when we already have 2 power ups

[muted mortar]

That cp0 dude's observation haaki is great

[visual merlin]

we don't know what he's using for that info

might just be mary's, and not observation

thats probably the case

[opaque pike]

cp0 boutta jump in

[visual plinth]

it's not necessary in the slightest we don't know how Luffy got defeated most likely ran out of haki he just needs to refine his technique of coating and it's all gucci like think about it we get awakening now what's next for luffy? get sussano and sharingan?

[opaque pike]

i think kaidos haki is just that overwhelming

[muted mortar]

There will also be the angle of shichibukai

Boa will most likely be captured.

[opaque pike]

will coby be able to beat boa?

[visual merlin]

someone else might be able to

surely he's not alone

probably at least a vice admiral with him

[opaque pike]

maybe

i just wanna know who went out to capture mihawk

[muted mortar]

Vice admirals aint that capable to capture boa Hancock

[visual merlin]

I imagine it was an admiral

I like to think Kizaru went, out of the 3

for mihawk I mean

[normal talon]

She's not getting captured even if an admiral comes by, just look how Bonney escaped akainu

[muted mortar]

Fujitora could have gone to capture boa as she has an entire island and warriors. She could prove to be a threat like yonkos to the wg

[opaque pike]

i do think kizaru is stronger then kaido

[visual merlin]

she wouldn't be anything close to as much of a threat as the yonko

the 2nd and 3rd strongest warriors there lost pretty handily to luffy pre timeskip

[visual merlin]

why though?

[muted mortar]

Naah brother yonkos are physical monsters and admirals have great devil fruit mastery with awakening

[normal talon]

But that was pre ts, now everyone got buffed

[opaque pike]

he literally said with no hesitation do you want me to go to wano and handle the alliance

[visual merlin]

did they?

[muted mortar]

I am pointing at her army though

[visual merlin]

pretty sure he didn't mean he'd go fight both of them, and this was before the alliance

[visual merlin]

yes, her army isn't that great

[visual plinth]

doesn't really mean he's stronger Luffy also said without any hesitation look at him now

[opaque pike]

[visual merlin]

Like already mentioned, the 2nd and 3rd got beaten by pre timeskip luffy, and the rest of them aren't going to be amazing

they're definitely stronger than average marines sure

but they're nothing close to a yonko crew

[muted mortar]

Everyone in amazon lily knows haki. That should be enough

[visual merlin]

they probably don't have many people anyway

knowing haki doesn't make you that strong

[muted mortar]

Probably 5-10 thousand atleast

[opaque pike]

theres this theory that mihawk is secretly in shanks crew

[visual plinth]

neither BM or Kaido have shown strong Observation or Armament they're just freaking monsters

[visual merlin]

they have armament, yet are all fodder to pre timeskip luffy outside of the top 3

[visual merlin]

well they have

[visual plinth]

they have?

[visual merlin]

yea, big mom blocked luffy's kong gun in wci

[thick sky]

which would be against Mihawk's character

[opaque pike]

they are one conqueror's haki blast

[visual merlin]

and Kaido uses armament when he attacks with his club, like in 923

[visual plinth]

oh didn't know that do they have future sight as well? or is that still up in the air

[visual merlin]

no they don't have future sight

or ryou it seems

but their normal armament seems to be pretty strong at least

[teal nymph]

katakuri has future sight so i would assume BM also has it and kaido too

[visual merlin]

they dont

[visual plinth]

why ?

[visual plinth]

that doesn't always have to be the case

[visual merlin]

being stronger than kata doesn't mean you have it

none of the powers in the series have worked like that

[opaque pike]

noone has better future sight then kata if im not mistaken

(hasnt been shown yet)

[teal nymph]

who else has future sight then apart from luffy , kata ?

[normal talon]

Enel as the observation king might have developed it

[visual merlin]

no one confirmed thus far

[teal nymph]

🤔 not even akainu ?

[opaque pike]

theres a theory that shanks has the best haki in all of one piece

[thick sky]

kata, luffy, no one else confirmed

[opaque pike]

like he excells in every haki

[thick sky]

tho aokiji seems to have future sight I guess. How he avoided that attack from wb

[visual merlin]

no, he's not confirmed to have it

he might though

[visual plinth]

correct if I'm wrong but i remember akainu dodging marco and vista's attack morphing his lava sort of the same way kata did with mochi

[teal nymph]

nice new info . i just assumed that since the future sight reveal that at least the commanders (king , queen ?), yonko have it

[visual plinth]

i could be tripping let me look for it

[visual merlin]

yea king and queen don't either

[visual merlin]

yes he did that

but morphing doesn't require future sight, it just helps in knowing what part to morph

so its still not confirmed

that being said, that moment is why I think akainu has it

[thick sky]

king and queen have just crazy endurance, that makes up for them not having much proficiency in haki

[teal nymph]

well even if kizaru had future sight i think he will be too lazy to dodge incoming attack

[visual merlin]

I wanna say there's like 7 people with future sight

[tired osprey]

hope sanji will get it, would fit

[teal nymph]

it would fit ussop better as he is the sniper

but he has a long way to go

[opaque pike]

ok imo usopp has to have best observation after luffy

[visual merlin]

I prefer if sanji and usopp stick with normal observation tbh

have luffy be the only FS user in the crew

[teal nymph]

yeah since at this point only 2 have been confirmed users and many stronger ppl not having it , would seem weird is ussop got it tbh

[digital epoch]

Runners up in the crew for each kind of Haki-
Observation: Usopp
Armament: Sanji
||Conqueror's: Zoro||

The reason I say Sanji will get the most out of Armament on the Crew is because what we've seen of advanced Armament seems to work best for blunt/percussive attacks, and advanced conqueror's seems to be better for blades and cutting

[visual merlin]

er, when exactly have we seen that?

[digital epoch]

It's just how it works mechanically- Ryuo creates a blunt projection of COA outside the body and inside other things, like when Luffy punched the tree with it

[visual merlin]

there's two types of ryou, both should be capable of working on weapons though

[digital epoch]

Zoro did his big flashy swords attack with COC and wounded Kaido, that's what gives me the perspective I have

[visual merlin]

and why do you think Sanji gets these anyway?

[digital epoch]

I could see Sanji just getting Ryuo post-wano, but I think Zoro should be the only other COC user on the crew

[visual merlin]

Zoro's specialty is armament while sanji's is observation, highly doubt sanji will ever be better in armament

[digital epoch]

I can see that

[visual merlin]

in that case zoro would just be the runner up in two categories

[rigid wadi]

Yamato joining and having CoC is still a posibility

[visual merlin]

I don't think there's any difference in efficiency when it comes to ACoA or ACoC on swords vs punches/kicks

[silk trout]

I think both of them will develop coc and armament cause they are basically rivals and are almost equal in battle

[digital epoch]

I just don't know how essentially coating your swords in a forcefield shaped like a baseball bat is going to help

[visual merlin]

it won't be shaped like a baseball bat

it would but shaped like your sword

all you would do is put the haki around the sword, so it'll form around that shape, same way it does for your hand

[digital epoch]

Like, what we've seen of Ryuo so far is that it's this blunt, flamelike aura that surrounds you and hits things. I could see Ryuo for swords being more like you can channel that aura out of the blade part of the sword, cutting with haki at range, basically

That would basically be a haki upgrade of Zoro's 36 pound cannon move, but I think it could still be cool

[visual merlin]

its just the same thing, ryou itself isn't blunt, we've just only seen it used by luffy who uses punches

but all it does is form around that shape, it should work the same for a sword

[digital epoch]

I'm really excited to see what else you could do with it then. Do you think that Zoro will just basically use a big sword Berserk style?

[visual merlin]

I think at this point zoro won't be getting anymore armament upgrades

[digital epoch]

I think so too, I think most of his upgrades are gonna be ACOC

[visual merlin]

I think he'll just get normal stat buffs

[silk trout]

Is that even possible though. Ryuo destroys things from the inside and using it for long range or short range seems pretty useless for a sword

[teal nymph]

did zoro in asura form use CoC on kaido or was it just random (base zoro)?

[visual merlin]

that's the advanced sort of ryou Kami

[visual merlin]

depends what you mean by that

I think zoro awakened normal CoC in that moment

and used it the same way doffy and luffy did when they clashed (not coating)

[teal nymph]

in that case nxt step would be to incorporate CoC into asura then go for ACoC

[visual merlin]

I don't see him getting that next step

[teal nymph]

y? don't u think asura with CoC will be op

[visual merlin]

yea, it'd be very strong, but I don't think he will get that

I see ACoC being reserved for luffy and his own rivals

[autumn vapor]

Why does Cavendish have eyes similar to Mihawk?

[queen arrow]

same reason why Zunesha and Rob Lucci's bull mask have it as well

[sleek condor]

@autumn vapor this is a really interesting point and it only happens after cavendish tames hakuba right?

makes you think mihawk has a tamed demon inside him too

[queen arrow]

no

it's just a fancy eye design that Oda uses for a lot of shit

[cyan berry]

Some design decisions are just design decisions

Not everything has to be related to another similar thing

[sleek condor]

it does actually

[fathom matrix]

I think Oda wants people to think that eye is special, but it may be a troll to say "what, you actually think it's something special? He got it in training, what did you think I was gonna do with it?"

[cyan berry]

People really want One Piece to be Naruto without realizing how much that would ruin One Piece

[sleek condor]

what

[queen arrow]

the eyes don't mean shit

[sleek condor]

sure but you don't know

[queen arrow]

did Rob Lucci's mask tame the demon inside it

because it has the same eyes

[cyan berry]

Also Hakuba just resurfaced whenever Cavendish slept

He didn't take anything

Even when he was half and half, he didn't completely have Hakuba under control

[sleek condor]

I know

but only 1 eye looked like my boy hawko

[night jewel]

oda draws those eyes all the time

[queen arrow]

because it was just a fancy effect for him being half and half

[fathom matrix]

I can imagine that scar may have had some history, but it's nothing significant.

Like, I can imagine either Zoro got it via his training, his last days of training, OR HELL, maybe he said to Mihawk, for every week I can't use observation, I'll blind an eye, and he couldn't do it in one week, but he managed to perfect/use it within the second week.

[sleek condor]

stoppppp it is not the same thing, I can give you a much larger list of those eyes but they are not the same thing

[night jewel]

they literally are, its just how oda chooses to draw eyes

[queen arrow]

it's literally the same thing

[sleek condor]

noone's eyes look exactly like mihawks apart from cavendish, these are all diff colours and cavendish is the only one who changed eye shape and colour

[night jewel]

wonder what kind of demon chopper tamed

[queen arrow]

the manga is black and white

[pastel summit]

diff colours
black and white

[night jewel]

to have those eyes

[fathom matrix]

it doesn't really matter, they're just for visual effects.

[sleek condor]

this guy is a bit slow

[queen arrow]

and they're literally the same design

[pastel summit]

what did he mean by this.

[sleek condor]

but that isnt the same eye

[night jewel]

I don't think you are really grasping this properly, they are literally the exact same design.

[cyan berry]

The demon of humanity inside all of us

[sleek condor]

this wasn't very productive guys, I feel kind of stupid and I feel like you're all REAL stupid

[queen arrow]

dude

[waxen dust]

Or you can admit you’re wrong

[pastel summit]

coming from the guy making eye theories.

[sleek condor]

we will see, I have never been wrong ever

[waxen dust]

You all don’t agree with me = Stupid people

[cyan berry]

Zoro sunglasses with a fade calling people stupid

[night jewel]

Why aren't you acknowledging the points being made? just " you'll see", "you are stupid" isn't how a discussion works

[cyan berry]

But yeah I'll cut the memes now

"You're stupid" isn't an argument

[waxen dust]

Really? So what’s the upcoming lotto numbers?

[fathom matrix]

Everyone has outlandish or odd theories at times (even me) but we don't patronise people or call them stupid.

[sleek condor]

someone should write that down

[fathom matrix]

Just show a little respect

[night jewel]

your message will stay, you don't need to worry

[sleek condor]

I don't assume that I'm correct when I state my opinions but the same can't be said for all you get me

[queen arrow]

you're straight up just wrong, and why would you defend so adamantly something you don't really believe in?

[night jewel]

? nobody here is assuming that only they are correct, they provided you with counterarguments and you provided them with a " you are stupid, and you'll all see" statement

[waxen dust]

“we will see, I have never been wrong ever”

[sleek condor]

that is just a seperate fact

[night jewel]

honestly we can just drop this since you are really not willing to acknowledge any of the points and not even anything that you yourself have said, pointless to continue any further

[sleek condor]

I have acknowledged them man you're kind of speaking straight through me

[queen arrow]

you're just giving yourself leeway to say that it didn't really count because you didn't believe in the theory really

[sleek condor]

of course I don't believe in the theory there is like no evidence

[queen arrow]

and you really didn't acknowledge any of the arguments, you dismissed then by saying they're not the same

[sleek condor]

well I disagree with the arguments

[night jewel]

why? there is zero difference between the two so can you please explain why?

[sleek condor]

I think we can use the anime to discern the eyes and oda makes sure

[night jewel]

oda isn't involved with the anime, so no, we can't use it

[sleek condor]

that is the most outlandish thing I have ever seen

[night jewel]

unless you want to tell me that it was oda who thought batman should have armament

[fathom matrix]

Not really, cause even the anime has it's own canonisity and not all the colours are accurate at times

[queen arrow]

Oda has said multiple times that he doesn't involve himself with the anime

[pastel summit]

where do you imagine Oda has the time to work on both the manga and the anime? lmao. swear to god, people don't even think about these things.

[fathom matrix]

we're mainly focusing on the manga here, hence manga theories

[sleek condor]

we have onigashima fight happening in the OP before the manga

[night jewel]

???

[waxen dust]

what?

[pastel summit]

Onigashima was stated as the objective 50 chapters before we got there.

[night jewel]

what fight? they just showed the strawhats fight some fodder and king and queen

[sleek condor]

he said oda had nothing to do with the anime

[night jewel]

thats what they do in every opening

yes, thats what oda said

[pastel summit]

yeah, he doesn't.

[night jewel]

!odaanime2

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/692553428785823815/unknown.png

[queen arrow]

that's not what he said

[waxen dust]

[night jewel]

the anime can do whatever the fuck they want to

[queen arrow]

Oda has nothing to do with the anime

[night jewel]

remember the opening " We can"?

do you think all the strawhats are going to fight jack?

did oda tell them to do that?

[sleek condor]

man who bullied you

[night jewel]

?

are you going to acknowledge the points?

or are you going to continue acting like this

[waxen dust]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-stop-it-mj-michael-jordan-nope-gif-5098905

[sleek condor]

did you forget how to have a productive conversation

[queen arrow]

did you forget how to have a productive conversation?

[night jewel]

I would recommend following the proper procedure of a discussion to you

[waxen dust]

this dude’s brain really is @sleek condor

[fathom matrix]

At this point, I think it's just trolling. I'd say to just ignore it and move on. It's not worth it

[night jewel]

Its better for you, to put it bluntly, if you are going to say something like " you are stupid" " who bullied you", i would just tell you to stop saying anything.

[rapid oar]

i reckon oda animates the anime by himself

[autumn vapor]

Happy réalisation.

[queen arrow]

Oda would die

[waxen dust]

Oda’s children would have to continue the story in Two Piece.
Inherited Will

[night jewel]

he also creates the sound effects himself, and voice acting is all from himself only too

[autumn vapor]

O Da Eicchiro

[visual plinth]

He gave up after this burn

[night jewel]

but yea anyways, thats the end of that. feel free to bring up another theory if anyone wants to

[fathom matrix]

I'm not gonna lie, I did think out of all the straw hats, Usopp would be the second to get CoC. not being of the memes, god usopp or what not, mainly becuase he's had this journey of being a weak coward at times, learned to step up, wants to command his own army, be a great pirate and a great warrior like the elbaf giants, and I'd think if he ever got pushed to a breaking point some time in the arc, he'd unlock/use it.

So I felt like a character who started really from the bottom, manages to try and grow, and become stronger, not just physically and mentally, but by his own will at some point, and gets it

[visual plinth]

Yo did you guys read the interview Tatsuya did with The hundreds he revealed something a lot of ppl have been theorising about

[autumn vapor]

I'd say his peak would his character development rather than his unlocking CoC

[night jewel]

Tatsuya Nagamine didn't reveal anything worth noting(just very basic, obvious stuff we already know lol), but also please don't talk about the interviews here, read more in #old-channel-info to learn about our spoiler policy

[visual plinth]

oh mb

[night jewel]

What he said is equivalent to "One Piece has Characters"

but yea, nothing worth speculating about, he just talked about the One Piece anime mainly

[fathom matrix]

Do you think Onigeshima will end up landing on the flower capital and the battle will be taken to it?

[night jewel]

there it goes, but yea, nothing worth noting

[fathom matrix]

OH, THAT WOULD BE SO POETIC AND SYMBOLIC! Luffy and Kaido ending their fight as to where it started

Like, Yamato's defeated, Kaido's about to thunder bagua him, but Luffy comes to the rescue, and manages to finally break that canabou, surprising Kaido, and preparing for another right.#

[night jewel]

its very possible, most people already speculate that the fight takes place in flower capital while momo takes onigashima back to its original place but I am not really sure if thats possible ( I can see him hold onigashima for a good while atleast)

so the alternative is Kaido actually placing onigashima on the capital, with the citizens already evacuated most likely and then kaido fighting luffy

[waxen dust]

If Onigashima falls then that would mean the Flower Capital has to be evacuated, otherwise everyone currently there dies

Honestly would be cool if Onigashima was placed on Mt. Fuji

[fathom matrix]

I mean, I think they would see Onigeshima from afar, they would start running, and people had an idea that Onigeshima would fall to where the Shogen's palace is, it would decend slowly down (to avoid an earthquake), then there we go

new Onigeshima

[night jewel]

yea true, kaido obviously won't make it fall from that height since its his mansion and his crew is on it and he would like to have them all land safely

[pure raven]

do you think that after wano arc we would get something similar to post enies lobby arc?

like post wano arc?

summit arc?

[crude ridge]

The Final war?

[pure raven]

the final war is not yet though

needs some kind of built up

and maybe catching up with other event like the aftermath of revolutionary at mary geoise

[crude ridge]

one piece is ending within like 4 years, every year 48 episodes of one piece air (except 2020 cuz corona) so 2 years would be 96 eps and 4 years would make it 192 so, im gonna say one piece is gonna end at 1200 episodes

WAIT I FUCKING FORGOT, HE MEANT THE MANGA NOT THE ANIME

But wait even if one piece is ending at 2000 eps then it would take another 22 years

meaning anime would end in 2045

wait no, i meant 2044

Welp Ill say that one piece is gonna end at 1200 episodes

[pure raven]

Weekly Shonen Jump editor said last year that it will end in 5-6 years or about 20-30 volumes

[velvet edge]

These might be better for #manga or #also-manga

[small pasture]

it will end ate volume 120

[high narwhal]

One piece will easily go atleast 1450 chapters

Can't see how it ends before it

[crude ridge]

but oda said op manga is gonna end at 2025

by then one piece is gonna have around 1200 chapters

unless.....technology improves by then and we get 2 chapters per week

[nocturne bison]

Imagine when one piece ends ☹️

[high narwhal]

Don't wanna imagine

[scenic thicket]

one piece is going ten more years

they still have to do another lap

[weary cliff]

Another lap can be a timeskip in as little as 1 chapter. The team had been pretty consistent in saying 5 years. I believe them. Maybe 6 since covid and increased breaks

[pure raven]

Yeah i also think that or most likely oda will stretch till 2027 because it's 30th anniversary of one piece and he also mentioned that he likes to achieve this type of things like 1000 chapters, 100 volumes, etc. So might be he'll stretch till 2027

[waxen dust]

The series has anywhere between 2027-2029 because like mentioned it’s 30th anniversary for the manga and the 30th anniversary for the anime. There’s still a few more things need to be covered before the series ends and I’m sure Oda doesn’t want to leave any loose ends.

[hybrid beacon]

Anyone got any theories for luffys awakening

[tender dome]

can Eustass Kid control the worlds magnetic field if he was to strong or creative enough?

[proud crystal]

...please, Oda, let that be true

[reef grotto]

gum world

[pure raven]

nervous system gear 5?

[hybrid beacon]

I was thinking he could turn the environment into his body's rubber, and then assimilate it into himself.

Allowing him to increase his mass and size directly

[waxen dust]

Gear 5 is Luffy just eating himself like a piece of 5 Gum

[pure raven]

lol

but to be honest i dont see Luffy turning his surrounding into rubber

my opinion really

[hybrid beacon]

Cool, cool

I think the nervous system bit would be a little contrived

[pure raven]

well something related to his body like gear 2 with his blood system, gear 3 with skeleton and gear 4 with muscle tissue

[proud crystal]

man id never noticed that!!
gear 5: ||brain works better||

[rigid wadi]

Do you think Yamato will receive a bounty after Wano?

[chrome zealot]

lol idc i hope he joins the crew

[visual merlin]

if she joins yes

[stable compass]

is yamato he or she

[visual merlin]

you pick for yourself

[stable compass]

they then

[weary cliff]

The story so far has used "he" but we'll see if there's any development with that post Wano. I hope Yamato joins too

[pseudo citrus]

honestly I don't think yamato will get a bounty, since the bounties have always hinged on visibility to the world government, and wano is closed off. the only way would be if CP0 or X Drake see what happens and report on it, I guess

[visual merlin]

cp0 is already spying on everything so that should be easy

[weary cliff]

Right. So if Yamato departs with the SH's we can definitely expect a bounty. Otherwise it may not be relevant

[visual merlin]

if she joins she's gonna get a bounty, but otherwise I doubt it

[pseudo citrus]

well some people have theorized they'd be part of/leader of a new group of (beast?) pirates, so they'd probably get a bounty then too I'd imagine

[visual merlin]

Yea if that were to happen but why would she want that lol

pretty sure she'd want nothing to do with any beast pirates

[pseudo citrus]

stockholm onigashima syndrome

[cunning dust]

The real question is, will he go by yamato or oden

[weary cliff]

Assuming Kaido is out of the picture for good, and the beast pirates who did flip sides dont just disperse, someone would need to step up as Daimyo of Onigashima. Yamato is almost as likely to do that as he is to be a SH I think. Most of his role has been supporting Momo already, maybe he keeps at that and gives up on going out to sea

[errant nova]

Hope so. Wondering if they’ll put like son of Kaido or they’ll just have Yamato with no last name

[visual merlin]

the beast pirates that switched will most likely go off on their own too

or end up captured

[errant nova]

I agree but my main hesitation is how symbolically important the Kozuki are to Wano and it’s people. Sukiyaki comin back baby

[visual merlin]

the remaining beast pirates would get locked up or escape

[errant nova]

Nah they’re tama’s pirates crew

[weary cliff]

Tama rebuilds Amigasa village as its king

[errant nova]

KING TAMA

[cunning dust]

They will join the straw hat grand fleet lmao

[errant nova]

I’m wondering if maybe there will be a time skip post laugh tale. Gotta prep and regroup in 10 years to remake the world. Then tama and momo are grown and strong 💪

[iron lion]

50 chapter long flashback on what happened in the world. 10 years is way too long for that

[surreal rune]

Will the mange take a break from Wano soon and maybe have a sneak peak of Blackbeard (w/ Kuzan) crashing with the Marines?

[tame tendon]

Any commenr about this sbs vol. 59

[flat panther]

What I would like to happen

But unfortunately do thinks she's next SH, who will be the one to take over that role might be any of the remaining scabbards that survive

[weary cliff]

This was the nail in the coffin for anyone thinking Tama would be nakama

[formal igloo]

wtf haha

[pure raven]

i think hiyori went on onigashima too because in the last chapter we can notice o-toko with the tengu at the capital of flowers while usually its hiyori who takes care of o-toko. It's maybe her who healed the red sheaths

[tawdry bramble]

It’s very clear Yamato’s character arc is her growing up from claiming to be Oden and that will be paralleled by Luffy claiming he doesn’t need to be Joyboy because he’s Luffy and he can still accomplish whatever he wants.

[sturdy hound]

@tired osprey

[weak arrow]

my favorite part is that pink line showing that it's going over that red arrow

But yeah, OTama for nakama is not happening

[sturdy hound]

you will eat your words adam

[cyan berry]

i hope you choke on yours mip

[amber oar]

mip, can neko be shoehorned as 29?

[night jewel]

pretty sure yea, but mip doesn't want to acknowledge that

[sturdy hound]

shoehorned? ofc

you can shoehorn anything into anything

that's the entire basis for neko in the first place

[amber oar]

iirc 2 can be ni/futa and 9 can be kyuu/ku but I think I read once either number have a dozen of more obscure syllabes very rarely seen

[night jewel]

you can't really shoehorn kibi kibi tho, with neko there is the "goroawase" numbers so it fits in

[sturdy hound]

do you even know what goroawase means arsal

youre statement tells me that you def dont

[night jewel]

wordplay

iirc

[amber oar]

Googled and there's ko for 9 but not ne for 2

[sturdy hound]

i have never seen 2 as "ne", except that fucking chart. and even if it exists, it's so fucking obscure that it shouldnt be considered to begin with

[sturdy hound]

yea so wtf is "wordplay numbers"

[pseudo citrus]

Oda just gonna hit us with it being the nikyu-nikyu zoan model byakko

[sturdy hound]

@gloomy canyon fuck you and whoever brought this chart to life

[night jewel]

this was the article i found on it, and i remember you debated it with stoop too
https://osomanga.wordpress.com/appendi-x/goroawase-語呂合わせ/

wordplay numbers is.... wordplay numbers

[sturdy hound]

ye, but they're not called "wordplay numbers"

[night jewel]

I mean, whatever the term is, they do exist

and they fit into the pattern

[sturdy hound]

NO THEY DONT

idgaf if yamato joins, just dont spread lies

[night jewel]

as i said

so what is that article about?

[sturdy hound]

gimme a sec

[gloomy canyon]

Cope

[sturdy hound]

ill go look into what those "Derivatives" are

[amber oar]

that article even includes english words

in that case, ki is part of kyuu and bi is latin for 2

[sturdy hound]

Every digit has a set of possible phonetic values, due to the variety of valid Japanese kanji readings (kun'yomi and on'yomi) and English-origin pronunciations for numbers in Japanese. Often readings are created by taking the standard reading and retaining only the first syllable (for example roku becomes ro). Goroawase substitutions are well known as mnemonics, notably in the selection of memorable telephone numbers for commercial services and in the memorization of numbers such as years in the study of history.

the readings used are the on and kun yomi, aka the actual readings

stuff like the eng origin words are used bc they're part of jp slang now

the "ne" that fits is just some extremely obscure mutated dialectic pronunciation of "ni"

so why tf would you consider it

i would much rather you people change the word "neko" to "niko" so it fits at this point

show me an instance of oda using smth as obscure as the "ne", then ill give it to you

he has used the old kanji for one and eight for mr one and haccha

other than that, he only uses the known readings afaik

[grizzled fog]

Oh so it does work

[sturdy hound]

it does not

fuck you

fuck me

fuck this server

[cyan berry]

what

oh something in japanese

[grizzled fog]

Well either it’s gotta be the obscure thing there, or the 2 9 pattern doesn’t exist in the first place I guess

[amber oar]

or

Yamato doesn't join

[grizzled fog]

Right, but who else fits the pattern that’s a legitimate candidate

[sturdy hound]

nah, yamato def joining

[amber oar]

Kuma dies, vivi eats his df

[grizzled fog]

Snow Bunny is still alive I guess

[sturdy hound]

the pattern was already completed with kin, but now he's dying, so the spot will be left empty in his memory

[grizzled fog]

We just need monet to return so carrot can kill her and take the fruit

[sturdy hound]

i can recognize bait vem

[sturdy hound]

it started here

[pure raven]

Nah this some newspapers on the wall stuff

[grizzled fog]

No that was legitimate

[weak arrow]

Good thing the best straw hat candidate from this arc doesn't have a fruit, thus doesn't need to conform to silly numbers by Oda

[cyan berry]

Kiku is dead adam

[sturdy hound]

man what i would give for oda to come out and say the number theory is bs

[night jewel]

Oh so it does work

also oda did basically say the opposite

[grizzled fog]

All I know is the chart says it works

[sturdy hound]

you know where to put that chart

[grizzled fog]

In the pins?

[night jewel]

I mean, when oda pulls out the whistles, and starts sweating in an SBS, you know its not BS

[amber oar]

SBS = Super BullShit

[sturdy hound]

i woulda pinned it here, but this is a serious channel

[night jewel]

this actually is a pretty serious theory with some number shenanigans backing it up too

[night jewel]

I can honestly see it happen if kuma doesn't get fixed

[grizzled fog]

Serious my ass

[sturdy hound]

so youre saying shim is a bad mod

🗒️✍️

[grizzled fog]

NO

[night jewel]

but anyways, back to theories

[grizzled fog]

Okay what are all the possible fruits that genuinely fit the pattern

[sturdy hound]

the only theory that matters rn is hitetsukiyaki

[night jewel]

Nikyu Nikyu is the one oda was asked about, so obviously that one first

[grizzled fog]

Any other known fruits?

[sturdy hound]

kins

[night jewel]

Yuki Yuki too no?

[errant nova]

This is what allows both momo and Yamato to join the straw hats

[sturdy hound]

nah arsal

momo is never joining the shs

[night jewel]

ah, i have been fooled by a monet for nakama-ist

[sturdy hound]

adam?

[night jewel]

maybe

[sturdy hound]

someone mustve compiled all the fruits that fit

[amber oar]

Lmao I give some merit to that theory. No way Saul, Olivia or the scholars are alive, but I give credit to the notion that the Ohara event inspired the revolutionaries.

[pseudo citrus]

Does jikijiki fit the pattern? Seems like no but a lot of people were saying that lol

No better than Neko at least

[amber oar]

ji fits, but I don't think ki does. At most き(ki) is part of きゅう (kyuu)

hold up, jiki is Kid's, nah, no way he joins

[pseudo citrus]

Yeah ofc not, but when it was revealed in the SBS people were like "another one!"

[errant nova]

Watch the SH get a Number on the crew

[pseudo citrus]

Bao Huang for strawhat, role: color commentary

[errant nova]

Is Morj standing by smoker arriving in wano just in time to become a nakama

Thinking it might be a lil too late for that theory

[pseudo citrus]

He can still show up any time after the raid fails

[errant nova]

Hahahaha I think luffy is winning this next round

[trim flicker]

Gecko moria, enraged after absaloms death, flees BBs island and goes into a deep depression. When he finally sees shit goin down and luffy fighting BB, he shows up just in the knick of time and shadow boosts luffy into his most powerful compound G4 conquerer clad armament shadow balloon man form

Aka tite kubo writes One Piece

[rugged flower]

Rocks D. Xebec will be the final villain at the end of one piece.

[wheat seal]

No evidence. Xebec is unlikely to be alive. Since so much hinged upon his defeat, Garp and Roger would have made sure that he was gone.

[rugged flower]

Sengoku said there was no trail left of him.

[wheat seal]

@rugged flower When was that?

[rugged flower]

Don't remember the number of the chapter

[wheat seal]

@rugged flower Anyway, it doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint. Xebec has already been defeated before, therefore another Luffy's achievement would be somewhat discounted. Also, the series is more focused around the new generation.

[reef nest]

Xebec isn't coming back really, at best we will see him during Kaido's potential upcoming flashback.

[amber oar]

Xebec isn't coming, this is not fucking Naruto

[amber oar]

Also this is not true

it's God Valley what disappeared without a trace, not Xebec

[rugged flower]

Oh yeah

What if Xebec were to make a return let's say Tama summons Xebec?

[amber oar]

This channel is for serious theories, sir

[rugged flower]

👌

Another theory I have though is that after Luffy gets the one piece he will have to go to mariejois

[trim flicker]

I mean yeah, ever since he punched that celestial, and declared war at MF, weve known at some point hes gonna visit mariejois and its probably not gonna end well for the celestials

[lost moat]

Alright contriversal question to maybe have a theory. Does Big Moms Devil Fruit work by taking away years of your life based off of when you would die in fate, meaning your fate comes sooner, or is she removing the years that you can inhabit that body.

[cedar sinew]

it's your life span

aka your biological life time

[opal sparrow]

Bro xebec is dead why are people talking about him coming back

[opal sparrow]

When she took pedro life span he was 27 and she took 50 years so that’s means Pedro basically became 77 years old and 82 at whole cake island arc cuz it was 5 years since that happen.

If minks have the same life span as humans then perdo assumed he would’ve died at any time cuz he’s basically old af

Which is why he didn’t hesitate to blow himself up. Now perspero has a bunch of furries mad at him for no reason 😩😭

[lofty zodiac]

Yep

And will also get beaten the crap out of him by neko

[fathom matrix]

One piece humans seem to live for a lot longer, and I think super humans can live up to 150 or 200 years

So pedro could have lived up to 70 or 80 (without the 50 years of course)

[lost moat]

Okay so that makes sense. Wasn’t sure if her power was tied to fate or whatever. So it’s literally just how long your body would have made the distance. Also another question, Brûlée’s ability. Is it every mirror in the world or those closest to her? Cause even just covering all of Big Moms territory that’s a lot of amazing uses that fruit could be used for.

[queen arrow]

it probably has limited range

[slate zodiac]

Cuz of the lurking legend thing oda said I think

[formal igloo]

Big Mom and Bonnie both have pink hair and wear lipstick the same way, and they both eat food like crazy, hmmmm never thought about it before lool

even tho big mom eats sweets mostly, and somtimes humans ...

[weary cliff]

Bonnie is something like the princess of the Sorbet Kingdom, and sorbet is dessert..

[proud crystal]

holy shit that fits
(that'd give an extra edge to when BB captured her, too
not only a fellow worst generation member, but the daughter of a yonko-! was it ever explained how she got out of that? if it was, i don't remember...i swear it was in the manga)

[formal igloo]

do you think she is the daughter of Linlin ? maybe she is a fan of big mom xD ?

[glacial knot]

How?

[formal igloo]

Otama summoning Xebec ....
i dont see how you can see that possible or connected....

[glacial knot]

Wait a second… I thought that it was already established that Bonnie was BM's daughter?

Am I wrong?

Maybe I'm mixing up assumptions with facts. It's been 2-ish years since I've read (till 2 weeks ago when I picked up where I left off)

[weary cliff]

There's no established connection. Similarly, I swore there was confirmation that Bonney was Kuma's daughter from an SBS or vivre card or something, but I think I'm also victim of assumptions turning to facts in my head

[proud crystal]

from the wiki:

She has a yet unindentified relationship with Bartholomew Kuma as well, and was heartbroken upon witnessing his brutal enslavement at Mary Geoise, proving she is not completely heartless.
so she felt bad for him, but anybodyd feel bad for the poor man :( so im not entirely convinced it means much

[errant nova]

Woah are we saying Bonny for Nakama

[formal igloo]

i never thought of bonny as heartless, is that weird ? she can be harsh but dosnt mean she is heartless i guess

Maybe Kuma changed her by saving her or somthing long ago, after all Kuma is really a kind character

[proud crystal]

nah, neither have I. she doesn't seem like a bad sort
maybe! plus...wait, what was the kingdom kuma was king of before whatever it was happened?

[blazing nymph]

https://twitter.com/typicaljant/status/1405878847942414338?s=21

(Joe 'Constantino') Three Skull Theories (@TypicalJAnt)

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[proud crystal]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Bartholomew_Kuma

Bartholomew Kuma is a former Warlord of the Sea, the former king of the Sorbet Kingdom, and a former officer of the Revolutionary Army with a bounty of 296,000,000.
so that's where you got the "he's her dad" thing from, holy shit!!

[formal igloo]

oh Shit !! hahaha, ok that makes soo much sense now !

[glacial knot]

Would she really be a valuable addition?

[proud crystal]

shed be pretty expensive considering thatd be TWO bottomless appetites on the crew

[glacial knot]

My friends say that Luffy once said that he wants 10 Nakama in total
Is that true?
Is that something universally known?

[visual merlin]

its not true no

[formal igloo]

i think someone asked him and he said 10, but dosnt mean 10 is the limit

[ember trench]

Chapter 1 he says “about ten should do”

[glacial knot]

Ah, so that's where it comes from

[formal igloo]

yes

[errant nova]

She could make momo older lol. Nah I’m just playing off people saying she will get kuma’s fruit, and that fruit in a numerological way is hinted at being carried by a future straw hat

[proud crystal]

yeah!! now im wondering what exactly their relationship is, and how sorbet royalty works... if theyre not related, what are they?

[glacial knot]

o.o

[errant nova]

He said at least 10 Members

[visual merlin]

either way, no he didn't say 10 total

[formal igloo]

really makes you think, indeed

[errant nova]

Yeah we’re going to get more. They’re enemies moving forward are too strong

[ember trench]

He didn’t say at least. It will probably come down to ten total anyway

Yamato being the last

[formal igloo]

Yamato + Carrot, the new members of the strawhats after wano, would be really sad if its only yamato, carrot is been with them for a while now, she even did more than vivi ! turning to sulong in whole cake island and saving the moment against daifuku

[ember trench]

Meh

[rigid wadi]

Is there anything known from Warlords after they were abolished? Like Boa and Mihawk

[visual merlin]

nothing besides that they were attacked

[ember trench]

They all died

[formal igloo]

i need to see Carrot Garichu Zoro, after that my life is complete haha

[ember trench]

Except buggy

[rigid wadi]

U imagine Boa loosing to Coby? Xd