manga-theories

[pastel summit]

It's more impressive than anything we've seen Mihawk do. I have to assume Mihawk is stronger purely because of his title, because based on feats alone, Zoro to me has proven he's stronger than Mihawk by scarring Kaido. Idk why you think Zoro scarring Kaido is somehow not important to show his abilities.

[drowsy cosmos]

thats for suspense for when Luffy does win

[pure raven]

yes...the point of that is luffy is going to beat him in 1v1 and shock the world unless there is something that inherently prevents him from losing a 1v1

[icy sapphire]

Maybe someone else will damage kaido badly and luffy can finish him ?

[pure raven]

luffy has already supposedly gone toe to toe with him but didn't have complete control over what he was doing

[terse plover]

Someone close to his strength level. Up until now, Zoro has not met his match except Yonkos. He needs a fight like his previous arcs where he takes someone on imo. I am not saying your opinions are wrong, but imo Zoro needs a proper fight, not just a slash on Kaidou and a block from a hit. I say "just" in terms of time. Those two feats are big, but very short in the overall chapters of the arc. That was less than 5 chapters long.

[grizzled fog]

“Just a slash on kaido”

[pastel summit]

WHy does he need those? He doesn't need them, you just want to see it.

[drowsy cosmos]

I don't see anyone beside Luffy and Zoro embedding Conquerors so I doubt anyone can really harm Kaido

[pure raven]

you can't fight someone 1v1 in a decent match... then take that back and have a team fight kaido again

[grizzled fog]

Zoro didn’t embed coc and plenty of people can harm kaido, there’s like 10 people who have done it during the raid

[pure raven]

that would cast a big shadow on kaido's defeat imo

[ember trench]

I also think Zoro deals the finishing blow on King

[pastel summit]

You haven't provided a narrative reason that necessitates Zoro getting up from his basically comatose state, let alone one that is believable, and then fighting a significantly strong enough opponent that it showcases his strength better than scarring Kaido.

[drowsy cosmos]

Ashura is a derivative of Conquerors

[ember trench]

Simple. Enma in the mouth

[icy sapphire]

I think sanji will 1v1 king and when king has the upper hand on sanji zoro would just appear

[grizzled fog]

Headcanon, the most likely explanation is that zoro just released coc at the same time as his attack

[ember trench]

I don’t think Zoro or Sanji fight anyone one on one

[livid root]

But king fight with Marco

[ember trench]

But I think they deal the ending blows on King and Queen respectively

[pure raven]

sanji is going to use zoro as a boat and rescue luffy

[icy sapphire]

Marco may change his target or smth

[pastel summit]

not really imo. nothing about kaido's dialogue indicates that, nothing visually indicates that. Law would be able to sense that as well if he used it. Kaido was more than likely referring to CoCting.

[ember trench]

The best thing about this is I will eventually be proven right

[grizzled fog]

Choc are you still on the no coc at all boat?

[pastel summit]

the best thing about this is Archer leaving the server for 3 months once he's proven wrong.

[ember trench]

Wrong? No that’s impossible

[pastel summit]

Yes I am.

[grizzled fog]

So archer you basically think zoro just sorta steals the glory and finishes off someone else’s opponent? Just kill steals?

[ember trench]

I am on the boat that it will never be said one way or another whether he has CoC.

[drowsy cosmos]

who?

[livid root]

I think law save of luffy with her devil fruit

[terse plover]

He has to have it to be the world's strongest swordsman. It would be foolish for Oda to not give that to him, especially in the arc revolving most around swords and samurai.

[ember trench]

No I think King and Queen are massive group battles

[icy sapphire]

Whisper “enma” into zoro’s ear and he will heal in seconds

[ember trench]

And Zoro and Sanji just deal the ending attacks

[grizzled fog]

Coc is not a requirement to be the WSS. That’s stupid and a dumb requirement to make up

[icy sapphire]

Sanji can just use zoro as a sword ? 1 sword technique

Just cut kaido in half

[drowsy cosmos]

Bandaged Zoro is basically Yoru

[icy sapphire]

Exactly

[ember trench]

Zoro’s splints are fixed in such a way that he can hold his swords then he deals one last savage attack on King that also makes Enma a black blade

[pastel summit]

spinning top zoro might happen, as a meme, yeah.

[reef crow]

Sanji could throw him I suppose

[pastel summit]

but that would not be zoro attacking, it'd be whoever spins him.

[reef crow]

eg

deleting bc memey but you get it

[ember trench]

Fleeb I like your username

[reef crow]

mhm

[drowsy cosmos]

Zoro the Beyblade

[ember trench]

Welcome Moon and Star to this place where destiny is made

[cedar sinew]

@icy sapphire keep it serious here please

[icy sapphire]

My bad

[terse plover]

What is the point of mentioning Zoro "having" CoC from Kaidou himself if he won't have it. Zoro is determined and has the will like nobody else. Conqueror's is for people with a strong will. I personally think he does have it. Not saying any of this in slight of you btw, seems like you are a bit annoyed at what I am saying, but I do not mean it like that. I just believe that Zoro does have CoC. Also, I believe if Zoro is the right hand man of Luffy, he has to be paralleled to Gol D Roger and Rayleigh. Both of them have CoC. Being the right hand man of the King of the Pirates and World's strongest swordsman seems like someone who would have CoC, BUT again, these are just my opinions based off of foreshadowing and what we have seen so far.

[ember trench]

Oda will just leave it ambiguous whether he has it or not and never say one way or the other definitively and people will argue about it until the end of time

[drowsy cosmos]

Mihawk definitely has CoC theres no way

[icy sapphire]

100%

[grizzled fog]

I’m not arguing that he doesn’t have coc, I never once said that. I’m sure he does. All I said was that it’s dumb to make up the idea of coc being a requirement for the wss

[terse plover]

Okay, that is valid. I agree with you, but still I would believe that the "World's Strongest" anything would have CoC.

[livid root]

I think Boa Hancock could come to Onigashima to help Luffy and in some luck Luffy would also fall into her ship.

[drowsy cosmos]

Imagine being the WSS but cant scar Kaido

[icy sapphire]

Does zoro know ryou?

[drowsy cosmos]

her ship.

[icy sapphire]

Isn’t she being chased down

[grizzled fog]

Ryuo is just armament haki, so yes, but if you meant advanced armament haki, then no he does not

[drowsy cosmos]

by Coby

[livid root]

Although the chance is very small

[icy sapphire]

Oh ok

[terse plover]

Anyone have any ideas as to who's going to save Luffy from the water? I heard people say Law's submarine or Jinbei, I have no clue tho

[icy sapphire]

I still believe shanks

It’s his time to shine tbh

[pastel summit]

Law's submarine is probably most likely at this point, but I'm holding hope on it being Carrot.

[native hare]

Tbh

[icy sapphire]

It has to be shanks I mean who else ?

[ember trench]

Zunesha

[drowsy cosmos]

Shanks is after Wano probably too many characters are in Wano atm

[pastel summit]

why would it be shanks?

[icy sapphire]

Idk it fits the moment

[ember trench]

This is how Luffy is saved

[pastel summit]

actually forget it, don't answer. I don't need the reasoning.

[icy sapphire]

Not a lot of reasoning

[native hare]

Laws submarine but even that wouldn’t make sense

[drowsy cosmos]

Probably the Koi luffy befiended will help him

[livid root]

I think Blackbeard is going to get to Big Mum's island because he's aware of the situation in Onigashima and also because the fungal is there and then Shanks and the sweet generals are going to fight each other.

[drowsy cosmos]

its lame but probably the best excuse

[livid root]

Pongalif

[drowsy cosmos]

thats a theory I have he will take the Poneglyph

[icy sapphire]

Shanks helps katakuri

[livid root]

I too think here but...

[drowsy cosmos]

Perfect time to destroy Totland

[livid root]

Ya

[icy sapphire]

Mhmmm

[livid root]

But I'm super super super super intrigued by what the Marines will do

[ember trench]

Nothing

[drowsy cosmos]

but wouldn't BB need to come to Wano for Kaido's Poneglyph

[icy sapphire]

Shanks probably already dealt with that

[ember trench]

He won’t go for the Poneglyphs individually

[drowsy cosmos]

or he's betting on Luffy

[livid root]

Just be quiet?

[icy sapphire]

He probably knows luffy will win

I think this is what he might do

[livid root]

Ya

[pastel summit]

Why would he bet on Luffy when he literally said he's not ready to be an emperor yet? lol

[drowsy cosmos]

But no one knows where the Road Poneglyph Zunisha has wait...... Kanjuro has to die

[icy sapphire]

BB gets the poneglygph from whole cake, then travels to Wano to try to steal it off from luffy then shanks would intercept BB and clash with him

After all BB is very smart, he would understand that the straw hats have been injured

[drowsy cosmos]

I'm waiting for the return of BB his story mirroring Luffy's pre-timeskip was amazing

[livid root]

Maybe he's kidnapping Big's daughter from the mother who was supposed to be Sanji's bride and will wait or force her to arouse her awakening and then she's able to call Ponglif

[icy sapphire]

BB is so well written

[drowsy cosmos]

Luffy will earn his Yonko status BB stole it

All we know is when BB will show up he shows up

[icy sapphire]

When do u think BB will appear?

[feral pike]

BB maybe will absorb imu sama power then he will become king of the world

[keen portal]

Ok

[pure raven]

Remember the theories which connect all these D and kozuki and stuff to the moon
toei is literally confirming them

napping kyoshiro

Thing grows and floats up into the sky and then it just swiftly blurs into the moon

denjiro's snot bubble is moon

🤡

u think this is the confirmation, when in last episode, toki like died talking about the moon.

[pure raven]

ik
they're just enhancing it more than more

I wonder how much inside info the animators have of the story lol

[hidden sluice]

what if luffy awakens his df and bounces the water off of him

i can imagine it happening

[fast olive]

That's the dumbest theory ever

[waxen light]

He's already in the water

[pure raven]

what

@fast olive see this theory btw
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ncbszg/one_peace_my_mega_theory_covering_just_about/

[fast olive]

Holy shit

What's the tldr lol

[pure raven]

No

people really need to stop being lazy asses and read stuff lmao

don't expect to finish it in one go tho, 1-2 hr read

[fast olive]

holy shit that's a novel not a theory

[pure raven]

🤡 go read it

it's a good theory

[fast olive]

What does it say

[pure raven]

although ,i am against red line's destruction. simple because i am

[pure raven]

a lot of things

[pure raven]

same, that thing sounds a bit weird to me

But overall the theory makes really good sense if you read the full thing carefully

TLDR for that theory is near impossible if you want to actually understand it @fast olive

[fast olive]

Then it's not a good theory

[pure raven]

🤡 imagine being too lazy to read something

I would like to insert the well known term that boomers use,
"Kids these days..."

i was watching some one piece clips. and i watched the one when imu-sama is introduced, there is luffy and blackbeard's posters on the floor and shirahoshi and vivi in her hand.
I think BB is gonna be Bigggg

@pure raven do you think that if that theory is true, oda could get all that done by 2025/2026?

doubts

onigashima will last this year

but if you think about it, red line needs to be destroyed cuz of brook and laboon

the there will be atleast 2-3 arcs more. can't do in 5 years

[pure raven]

Seriously...?

I thought it'll end in june

sanji hasn't even put on his raid suit. i m pretty sure onigashima will last a year

dude june is 2 days away

what

[gilded wagon]

Idk I may be in the minority but I think this arc will be over by the end of the year

[pure raven]

and there can be max 5 chapters in ajune

bruh i thought this was april

remember how chapter 1000 was jan1 . now we are in end of may and the last chapter was 1014

hmm

Hey guys do you think luffy is going to get rescued by jinbei's friend

what friend?

Like fishman crew will save him

[cobalt igloo]

The sun pirates?

[pure raven]

Yeah

nah it is the sea kings who will save him

[fast olive]

No he's dead

He clearly drowned

[pure raven]

Bruh it's a shounen

Sanji will throw splint zoro in sea and luffy will use it as a surf board

[fast olive]

Yea kaido is the new mc

[pure raven]

Lol did that ever happen in other animanga

[fast olive]

Or maybe kid

[pure raven]

Where MC gives his legacy to another character

[fast olive]

"Gives" he got brutally murdered

[pure raven]

Keep in mind that's not a freestyle animanga. That's typically a shounen genre

so Ussop is the new Captain i guess

[pure raven]

Imagine that would be hilarious

idk man, that 10 tonne hammer, sure looks heavier than Kaido's club

Lol did you forget that this is actually a balloon

it's only a balloon when ussop wants it to be

it's like same as a swords man cutting steel, and not cutting paper. as and when they like, but for hammers

[cobalt igloo]

Usopp can extend his armament haki and make it a black hammer

[pure raven]

Wait can a balloon even turn into armament haki

[cobalt igloo]

Isn’t that what King Kong gun is?

Gear 4 is just balloon luffy with armament haki

[pure raven]

this guy said it

Ussop been wielding a 10 tonne Luffy

Yeah but ussop only got kenbunshoku haki

untill now. but he has obviously grown since dressrosa

Idk what to say but imo he's the weakest strawhat

weak is relative term, in a hand-to-hand yes, in a long range shoot out, no.

I mean yeah he's an example of camping

[ancient vault]

Idk man. Let me see brook lift a 100t hammer

[cobalt igloo]

Physically weak? If so then nami’s got that in the bag

[pure raven]

In physical yeah it's nami but in abilities and power it's ussop

[cobalt igloo]

Ionno man I feel like you’re underestimating usopp a lot

[pure raven]

Yes joyboy is a person
Its not a lineage or whatever like the ancient weapons

Everyone could become joyboy

[pure raven]

Him being weak doesn't mean he can lose easily. It's like making lvl 1 monster beating lvl 100

[pseudo pewter]

What do you think about this theorie guys?

[pure raven]

or maybe kaido just wants to have fun

[light pond]

Didnt kaido also wants to open wano but in his view he wants wano to be pirates paradise so if we go by your theory that joyboy will open wano then kaido somehow also has the same goal that is why he beheaded orochi

[pseudo pewter]

That's true

[vapid echo]

Trash theory: luffy will have amnesia after falling to the sea like big mom and is told that kaido is an ally and will join the beast pirates

[pure raven]

Serious theories only here

[dark oxide]

u guys think kiku is still alive?

shes my fav retainer

[visual merlin]

not sure, I'd like to say her dialogue means she's dead but several characters have survived that too so it's hard to say

[stuck belfry]

she probably is cause kinemon killing kanjuro for killing kiku makes sense

[placid kite]

Kaido is defeated by everyone else but luffy, luffy returns when wano borders are open

Odens dream “open wanos borders before joyboy arrives”

Dream fulfilled when luffy is off the island

When the alliance wins luffy washes ashore or comes back w a power up

But kaido is already defeated

Wano is open

[compact glade]

Uhh

That sounds weird ngl

[snow cloak]

Kid,killer ==Bm
Chopper==queen,prespero
Robin==spider lady
Sanji,Zoro==king (or)prospero
usopp,nami==anyone in the 30000soldiers
Marco==protecting chopper
jinbei==30000 soldiers
Law==?
9 scabards=?(4 dead)
Franky ==facing the gaints
Brooks ==facing the soldiers
Still remaining
Bm crew
The unknown force in wano that momosuke can hear

[last void]

This might be Ridiculous,but I think Luffy will use Awakening when to Turn the Entirety of Onigashima into a Rubber Ball to Prevent it from Destroying Flower Capital

[bronze otter]

now this confirms my theory

luffy gonna find a shark at the bottom of the sea he is in, then take its teeth and go "GEAR FOURTH:SHARKMAN"

[spring depot]

???

[pure raven]

naa he already doe that with arlong

[bronze otter]

he can do it again

[pure raven]

Luffy is knocked out and drowning lol he isn’t gonna move on his own in water. Needs someone or something to get him out

[severe onyx]

TLDR - luffy wants to throw a big party

[fast olive]

So the one piece is a bunch of cocaine epic

[pure raven]

Did you guys watch the new episode? The opening shows luffy standing in the bottom of the water

Not sure what to make of it

[terse tangle]

I'm curious about that

I wonder if it's an actual spoiler. I won't be too mad about it. Doesn't seem like out of the blue or too wack

[gleaming lintel]

okay so i thought of an insane theory…
kaido said as luffy fell into the sea that he couldn’t be “joyboy” either. and what if opening 23 (dreamin on) is a foreshadow to a new power awakening aka the water. maybe “joyboy” is a title given to someone who is favored by the sea kings so they grant that person to be able to use the sea as a means of power? and because luffy is a DF user it could grant him the ability to swim again since nobody can come to save him atm. (unless the one octopus comes in clutch).. andddd along with the fact momo has been hearing the voice points my theory in the right direction… 😹anyways

[pure raven]

Not possible because Luffy “drowned” in arlong park and a couple other arcs iirc

[terse tangle]

Actually could be if you put in the narrative that Luffy 'awakened' to it or maybe like they found him worthy or sort... though how idk

[pure raven]

Not a theory, rather more a request. Has anyone spend some time on asking why devil fruit users become a hammer when in water?

[weary cliff]

All we have to go off of is that the sea hates fruit users. I think there's also been reference to a sea devil that was the source of the fruits

[modest skiff]

Ok this is some premium stuff right here. I fully subscribe to this. I think it is important to remember that all pirate's goal is to eliminate the world gov and Joyboy is how you seem to do that

[pure raven]

Theres no info to that

Inherited Will.
Will = Haki.
Inherited Haki
Do you think there is some form of Haki that only JoyBoy could use and Luffy will inherit it?

[modest skiff]

We are given so little info that it feels pointless to speculate. No clues whatsoever IMO other than devil meaning perhaps some sort of punishment for ???

[pseudo pewter]

All the grey characters will die^^

[weary cliff]

Outside of Ashura, those are the ones I assumed would die. Could be something to that one

[pure raven]

Kin is prolly a dead man too, good chance he gets his head smashed by kaido

[ember trench]

Nah

[weary cliff]

I don't trust Oda to pull something that sudden. Kiku got her little death speech at least. Kin hasn't even had a chance to see Tsuru

[pure raven]

He’s already heavily wounded and he’s supposed to just clash with kaido lol no way dude is a deadman unless someone takes kaido off him

[weary cliff]

Someone like Yamato?

[pure raven]

Guys hit me with a mindblowin theory

That'll knock my socks off

in dressrosa sanji was gone, in Whole cake island Zoro was gone, so now in Wano , Luffy will spend the rest of the raid in sea and Zoro + Sanji will beat Kaido.

After this , since Luffy couldn't beat Kaido, Zoro and Sanji will refuse to serve under him and form their own crew..

Luffy will spend rest of his days at the bottom of the sea.

[fathom matrix]

It might be the lighting, but it kinda looks like Kaido's canabou's gonna break

[pure raven]

zunisha in wano?

[fathom matrix]

Also, when Onigeshima lands on the island (and if it does), do you think Luffy, after some recovery time, will fight Kaido again at the flower capital? Like, it will be a reflection of their first battle?

And maybe if that Canabou is about to break, Luffy does manage to smash it, and so Kaido fights him one on one, fist to fist?

[spring depot]

its deffo a crack

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, I have a feeling that's gonna break at some point, but it's gonna be symbolic

[spring depot]

you think it will make things harder for kaido?

takes away from his range right?

[fathom matrix]

Yes and no, like he won't have that extra weapon power, but he's strong enough as it is, especially as a hybrid

[spring depot]

true

[fathom matrix]

SOOOOOOOO, maybe Luffy might be like "Okey, now I really understand it. I was in such a rush and excitement at kicking your ass, I didn't know how to concentrate my haki. It's not just the level of power, but how I use it) and so he break his canabou and the haki shockwave break through that and hits him too

[spring depot]

but i think itll still make things better for luffy as kaido would be attacked directly when they clash(rather than kanabo vs fist for example)

[pure raven]

@kind gate Even the masses are beginning to catch on

[spring depot]

ooooo, yesss, it might be what also seperates top tiers and those lower than them, being able to manage and efficiently use their amount of haki

how would zoro be healed, sanji takes chopper's spot to fight queen as chopper heals zoro?

[pure raven]

Chopper can’t heal broken bones that fast if anyone heals him it’s gotta be Marco I think

[spring depot]

oh right, the rest should be able to hold off king and queen meanwhile

btw what happened to bepo...

[weary cliff]

Did he ever get off the Polar Tang?

[dusky acorn]

Yeah

[neat inlet]

idk if i'm late to the party, but do you think momo hears zunisha in the last chapter?

[dusky acorn]

Law teleported Bepo, Shachi and Penguin with him onto the island

Now they're all fighting as we see, and presumably somewhere in the baseent floors

Could be Zuniesha, or maybe some other huge, mystical creature

The former is more likely just because it's something already established, but could always pull something entirely out of left field

[fathom matrix]

it could mean we may have a couple days retreat/recuperation.

[pure raven]

That would be good for the straw hats lol but I don’t think kaido is gonna give them a ceasefire like what happened with WB and Rogers crew

[fathom matrix]

Like, maybe Luffy's found at the sure, both the beast pirates and rebels are resting up, a lot of them are in critical condition and hell, maybe, and IDK if this may happen, Luffy goes up to Kaido, and challenges him to a duel perhaps? Like, maybe Luffy says "If I win, you leave Wano forever and take your factory and crap with you, but if you win, we stand down"

[pure raven]

Do sea kings taste good

[fathom matrix]

Like, both forces are so beaten up, tired and ready to throw in the towel, it's an all or nothing gambit

Also, does anything think Kin's dead or not?

[junior cape]

Kin is most likely dead or bleeding out now, yes. Remember, it took all 9 of the scabbards to slow Kaido down before, and now it's just him, critically wounded, and exhausted.

Like, as rough as that is, it's the truth

[modest skiff]

It would have been weird to end the panel like that and not make it clear he's dead if he is

[compact glade]

He probably is gonna die next chapter but not before some last words

Just like ace, man got his chest absolutely decimated and was still able to talk

Also both of kinemon's swords broke which is a symbolic death for a samurai

[fathom matrix]

I'm kinda getting tired of fake out deaths, and I hope that if these next scabbards deaths are implied, let them be true.

Not that I hate them or want them gone, but having an impactful death scene, only to reveal it not being true, to then have them actually die another time, takes away that initial impact you had the first time.

[shell silo]

^ would develop momo as well

[fathom matrix]

Like, Kanjuro's served his purpose, I think him staying dead should be a given, maybe have Kinemon on the verge of dying, getting some last words out and inspiring Momonosuke to push on and be even more of a man

Also, I don't think Ulti can survive a laser beam blast a hole through her body

like, it pierces through, and yes, Zoans make you stronger and more durable, but I think if that laser's able to pierce through and destroy your insides, durability's out the question

[shell silo]

I definitely want zoro to do something again though

Even though his bones are straight powder rn

[pure raven]

It’s ok nothing happened

[shell silo]

His injuries now are probably worse than what kuma did to him

[pure raven]

I hope queen tries to eat chopper

[shell silo]

Chill out satan

[compact glade]

100%

He wasn't a cross when he got blasted by kuma

[pure raven]

i mean they just got injured, or was death somehow implied?

[modest skiff]

Zoro not being vaporized by a double yonko whammy is perhaps the most impressive thing we've seen in One Piece so far

[pure raven]

definitly

So anyone else thinking Denjiro will get the Final Orochi Kill? My man deserves to cut this bastard after pretending to suck his ass for over a decade

[modest skiff]

I'm honestly not seeing why it would be Denjiro so long as Momo exists

[grizzled fog]

Denjiro and Hiyori definitely are more likely than momo I’d say, zoro too

[floral lion]

denjiro or zoro should kill orochi

[modest skiff]

I'm just assuming Zoro is 100% out for the remainder of this fight. Hiyori makes plenty of sense too. Denjiro has the whole history thing too, but I really think it will be some sort of Kozuki

[pure raven]

I can imagine Denjiro going full rage mode and cutting every single head of Orochi

[sonic plaza]

here is my prediction for the levels of the top straw hats at the end of wano

• Luffy: low yonko level
• Zoro: low admiral level
• Sanji: high commander level
• Jinbe: mid-high commander level
• Chopper Monster Point: mid commander level
• Franky + Robin: low commander level
• Yamato (theory): mid commander level

[grizzled fog]

………

[sonic plaza]

also, Zoro kinda needs to be higher than a top commander rn, cause he will be yonko level at the end, surpassing mihawk and rayleigh

[floral lion]

chopper and franky needs haki

[modest skiff]

hey man you gotta at least explain why someone is wrong if that's what you think Vemqi :p

[sonic plaza]

i feel very sure about the monster trios rankings

[visual merlin]

chopper equal to yamato huh

[sonic plaza]

monster point only

[modest skiff]

Yeah right now it feels like Zoro would very likely win vs anyone working for Kaido

[visual merlin]

Monster point isn't doing much to queen either

[grizzled fog]

Monster point can’t handle a commander though. This chapter made that abundantly clear

[sonic plaza]

queen is high commander level tho

[grizzled fog]

lol

[modest skiff]

Yeah and TBH I feel like Chopper DOES NOT need to be at commander level right now

[visual merlin]

do you think a "mid commander level " character would be unable to hurt queen

[sonic plaza]

ok

[modest skiff]

If Chopper was mid-commander level, that would be pretty wild, he doesn't need that right now

[sonic plaza]

low commander level, cause i think monster point would at least be on par with the flying six

[visual merlin]

I see

[modest skiff]

Yeah I'd buy that. I'd say Monster Point = flying 6

But I really think Queen etc would beat Chopper handily in a longer fight

[grizzled fog]

That’s obvious yea, chopper really isn’t all that close to his level

[modest skiff]

yeah

We have plenty of examples of someone way weaker getting a really nice punch in, then getting clobbered

[sonic plaza]

gamma knife
for example

[kind gate]

no

[modest skiff]

I think Im was given eternal life by having someone die while having the ope ope no mi. Either that, or he needs the ope ope no mi. But my theory is he already got the eternal life

[sonic plaza]

if he was alive for 800 years, that would be crazy

he would have a connection to joy boy then and everything would make sense

[modest skiff]

Its what makes the most sense to me right now

I can't decide if he's immortal for some other reason, his race lives a really long time, or what

But ope ope no mi makes sense at least since its the only mechanism of eternal life we know of, right? Other than the fruit to control aging that the pizza girl has lol

[junior cape]

Are you joking? Kiku just got a sword run through her chest, and Kin got obliterated by Kaido. They're pretty dead.

[pure raven]

RiP 🪦

[zinc iris]

so many people got impaled side by side in one piece and survived

[pure raven]

def not, many people got stabbed etc.

[junior cape]

Yes but not many through the chest by a fucking full length katana

[pure raven]

zoro got stabebd by a scythe and then used it to fight lmao

[junior cape]

yeahm, through the SHOULDER

[modest skiff]

#justzorothings

[pure raven]

Zoro got stabbed on his side shoulder

[zinc iris]

also if the kanabo hit is lethal, why luffy didn't die when he got a clean hit in the head too?

[junior cape]

Because he's rubber

[zinc iris]

haki blow so not an issue

[pure raven]

Luffy has plot armor and can take more damage than most

[pure raven]

lmao haki

do you guys even watch one piece? they always get deadly injured etc. and mostly nothing happens

At best Kin is knocked out at worst he is dead dead

[modest skiff]

I think deaths feel a lot less likely for people who watched one piece in a giant marathon like I did

[junior cape]

IDK man very few people get stabbed through the chest in this series and survive

[modest skiff]

When you watched like 900 people NOT die, when they totally should have, in like 4 months, you never believe anyone will die, ever again

[zinc iris]

glad you asked

[pure raven]

he gon turn that thing into some panties lmao

[pure raven]

I don’t think that works on weapons clad in haki

[junior cape]

Again, shoulder

[pure raven]

That’s WB can’t compare him to Kin lol

[junior cape]

yeah

[modest skiff]

I know that's been a point of contention for a while. Are we told to assume every single attack made by someone like Kaido is covered in Haki? Is it possible he would take a break from using Haki for a bit and just bonk instead?

[pure raven]

yes, this

Shoulder

[junior cape]

AGAIN, so many shoulder stabs being confused with chest stabs

[pure raven]

I personally think high tear fighters are always using haki exotically in a war type situation

[zinc iris]

that's not a shoulder lmao

[grizzled fog]

Hope people aren’t seriously comparing those stab wounds to the scabbards, those are wildly different snd it’s pretty disappointing that someone thinks that’s a valid comparison

[junior cape]

Here he's stabbed through the guts, literally used as a plot point later

Ya'll are just looking for stab wounds and screaming "SEE??? SEE????" when none of them are chest wounds, except for Whitebeard

[modest skiff]

Meaning you think it is 100% haki all the time, or he takes breaks? For me, especially after a big ole fight, maybe he's cooling off a bit

[pure raven]

Luffy also has plot armor so he can survive anything, everyone else is expendable just look at ace RiP 🪦

[pure raven]

yeah but they dont, also haki always gets used as a thing to make plot fit the needs of oda. theres no way to know if he used haki or not

[pure raven]

almost no one dies in one piece (besides canon fodder)

[zinc iris]

EVERYONE has plot armor in one piece

[junior cape]

Yes a vast majority of people in OP have been stabbed at some point in time, but very few in the chest, and those that were have later died for plot reasons

[pure raven]

What happened to Ace’s plot armor lol dude was the son the the PK

this is one piece, people only die if needed by the plot

[grizzled fog]

People really ignoring the final words of Kiku and kanjuro for their brain dead comparisons huh

[modest skiff]

Vemqi it would be way better for conversation if you would give these examples instead of alluding to them lol

[zinc iris]

lava that blew a wide ass hole is stronger than a puny blade

[modest skiff]

It takes like 5 seconds to google this stuff like we are and post it

[pure raven]

also it was needed for the plot

[pure raven]

I mean put yourself in kaidos shoes, if you’re in a war and you have a weakened injured leader of your enemies woodnt you use haki to add power to your hits to make sure KIn dies

[zinc iris]

ace needed to die for the story to progress

[grizzled fog]

It’s blatantly obvious this isn’t the same as just a regular stab wound in a fight,

[junior cape]

Otherwise Luffy would just throw himself at the New World like he already was, and end up dying.

[pure raven]

Chopper or ussop coulda taken aces place

[zinc iris]

lmao kaido has let too many people live in this arc for this to matter just now

[pure raven]

lmao he already fought against the scabards and didnt kill them. he fought against ruffy and didnt kill him 2 times now

[grizzled fog]

The emotional stakes are far different, her speech here etc, this is a send off for kiku

[junior cape]

Kiku is dead, and Kin is too most likely

[modest skiff]

I always assumed the actual damage was done by the Haki first. Or is it assumed Akainu could make some kinda...haki...lava? Like the Lava has Haki and thus hurts ace? Or the Haki damages ace? My view was the Haki put a hole through ace and ace was not burned by Akainu

[zinc iris]

none of the scabbards really needs to die for the plot, they can just lay defeated until the arc is over

[pure raven]

Yeah he even said he shoulda killed luffy, so now he’s walking around like “ imma smoke you mfs”

[grizzled fog]

“lul just a stab wound brah it’s one piece”

[pure raven]

yeah no, ruffy took ace's will

[grizzled fog]

The reason akainu burnt ace was because ace let him. If ace didn’t turn his body solid luffy woudlve gotten hit

[zinc iris]

lava is earth + fire, as fire it cannot be burned by ace's fire, and as earth it smothers fire so he won the elemental game

[pure raven]

Luffy didn’t take aces will, I think sabo did

[modest skiff]

Got it, thanks.

[pure raven]

theres no elemental game in one piece tho

[pure raven]

no, we see this in wano even yamato states it

Also ace was fodder with no haki to properly take on akainu

[zinc iris]

damping crocodile made him tangible because he was sand, rubber could hit enel because rubber was an electric insulator
before armament haki the elemental rps was the only way to face logias

[pure raven]

Yamato was aces gf so she prolly is just idk happy that someone reminds her of him

[modest skiff]

TBH I feel bad for Ace right now because tons of people way weaker than him have haki now

[pure raven]

crocodile was because of water/salt waters effect on DF

[grizzled fog]

Not like he needed Haki to be strong

[modest skiff]

It feels weird when we all agree ace didn't learn haki, he totally would have if it was a dynamic at the time...

[zinc iris]

no, drenching other logias doesn't work really

[desert galleon]

Did we ever get a panel showing what onigashima was above currently?

[zinc iris]

it was because he was sand so liquids clotted him, explicitly stated as such

[modest skiff]

I think someone like Ace would never choose to just not learn something as important as haki. He was a hot shot of sorts but not arrogant to the point of a dumbass. He wouldn't just say "Nah, lets not learn an enormously important thing"

[junior cape]

At the end of 1014, Onigashima is seen right off the coast of Udon, I think. That or Kuri

[zinc iris]

in the final confrontation luffy used his own blood to hit him

[pure raven]

logia against logia never shows the element being a factor

[desert galleon]

🙏🙏🙏

[zinc iris]

because we never got an explicit advantage in a match

luffy could hit enel because he was rubber and you will never be able to argue otherwise

[modest skiff]

So are you saying fire should beat ice, that kinda thing?

[pure raven]

akainu vs aokiji, it was even, till the end where (as far as i remember) aokiji wanted to save a marine who was there and akainu used the opportunity

[zinc iris]

ideally yes, but then the personal ability of the user should also matter
but yes a fire attack should damage an ice logia even while intangible

[junior cape]

Yep. Enel used the conductivity of his opponents to dodge attacks, and he couldn't with Luffy since Luffy was rubber

[pure raven]

Kuzan wanted to save a marine?

[pure raven]

i try to find the info

[modest skiff]

So similar to Luffy vs Enel, if someone has a built in advantage, it should carry them against someone with a natural disadvantage. I can buy that. The only exception is that it feels like they can kind of infinitely regenerate. Like it never seems like Aokiji would just run out of ice. Do we have any examples of a logia "running out" of material?

[pure raven]

Also Ace was the son of the PT his pedigree was top notch, other ones with a bloodline liek that are shown to be wicked strong like Yamato, luffy and some of BMs kids so ace got done dirty just like Zoro who basically has been a sidekick in this war

[zinc iris]

we never see them run out of it, but they do sustain damage and can grow tired in prolonged battles so the "drop hp to 0" should still apply

[modest skiff]

makes sense, I can buy that

[zinc iris]

will beats bloodline

roger himself was a nobody at the start etc

[pure raven]

I get that but bloodline matters in OP, since a good number of them who are strong have strong parents? Or ancestors

[grizzled fog]

Zoro a sidekick wut?

[zinc iris]

ace was carried a lot by his df to the point he probably never had to learn advanced abilities like haki to progress

[pure raven]

i was talking bulshit, no idea where i had that from

What has zoro even done? He didn’t even solo king or queen of some

[zinc iris]

so he's in the same position as croc and enel or pre-ts smoker

[pure raven]

Zoro took out fodder

[grizzled fog]

Lmfao. Read the whole ass rooftop fight again please

[visual merlin]

scar kaido

[pure raven]

I read it, he stopped a combined attack from BM and kaido

[modest skiff]

[pure raven]

so far we havent seen this tho? i see the argument you use from crocodile and enel. but when it comes to logia vs logia this never seemed to be a thing so far.

[visual merlin]

Saved luffy a bunch, blocked the combined attack for enough time for the others to escape, scarred kaido

[pure raven]

So he’s like croc and moriah who clashed with yonkos and lived to tell the tale

[visual merlin]

??

he's like zoro who scarred kaido

[grizzled fog]

Zoro is the second person in history to scar kaido

[visual merlin]

he was a big help on the roof

[modest skiff]

I can't tell if satan is trying to get a rise out of us, as an agent of satan

[pure raven]

Eh idk man I just wish he woulda down more like taken down a commander by himself is all

[pure raven]

what u mean?

[visual merlin]

what he did is arguably more impressive than that

[zinc iris]

because when you thing about the logias that face each other not many (none) of them had elements with an inherent advantage
smoke and fire could not do anything to tach other by nature of the element ended in a tie
same fire vs darkness, it was won on other grounds
magma vs ice was offscreen and magma won so there's that

[modest skiff]

I honestly think Zoro has transcended this role. He isn't the guy going after the #2 anymore. He's more like #1.5. I can't imagine anyone but a admiral/yonko being an even fight vs Zoro at this point. Except maybe Shanks #2 and a couple other people here and there like Mihawk.

[pure raven]

magma won by small margin tho, which shows the diffrence wouldnt be big if theres any at all

What I mean is a good number of people including me thought zoro was going to 1v1 and beat king or some heavy hitter

but anyways i think theres no reason to further discuss this, maybe we get some fights which show that at some point, i hope atleast lmao

[zinc iris]

about "logia-like", katakuri's attacks could be beaten by liquids specifically because mochi is dissolved by liquids

[visual merlin]

yes I thought he would as well

[grizzled fog]

That’s fine, I thought that too prior to the roof, but calling zoro a sidekick after what he’s done is kinda crazy

[pure raven]

same

[zinc iris]

or aokiji could make up for it with better haki

[pure raven]

Yeah my bad sidekick was a bit much

[compact glade]

Who would win, post ts garp or post ts akainu?

[zinc iris]

I just say that a direct magma hit from akainu could damage aokiji's ice body without having to use armament haki

[modest skiff]

I thought so too. His performance in the wano arc made me realize he's already past that.

[grizzled fog]

Most likely akainu by a decent margin

[pure raven]

I think prime garp beats akainu now

[visual merlin]

akainu rather easily

[pure raven]

garp was always stronger than akainu tho, i dont think thats a point of discussion

[compact glade]

How old is garp?

[modest skiff]

My feeling is that we have very limited info as to how strong garp is currently

[fathom matrix]

60-70

[pure raven]

I like zoro but I don’t think he beats a yonko or admiral on his own

[modest skiff]

But he does appear to be used in place of an admiral in a lot of situations

[grizzled fog]

70s

[pure raven]

yeah, specially cause age doesnt always mean weaker in one piece, right?

[compact glade]

Well I dont think age matters

[visual merlin]

he's never used in place of an admiral, not in his recent years

[compact glade]

Look at kaido bm, they are old hags too

[grizzled fog]

Not always, but we know that it matters for Garp, that’s not really debatable

[visual merlin]

age matters, he's said he's weaker than before

Kaido is like 50

[modest skiff]

I would say his escorting of fishman people was admiral level

[visual merlin]

and Big mom is 68, which is younger than the old people, and she's been a monster since childhood

[zinc iris]

kaido is the youngest of the classic yonkos

[fathom matrix]

yes and no, cause a lot of people have this idea which I can buy, where your 40-50s are your prime, but after your 50s you do start to go down hil

[visual merlin]

Why would that be an admiral thing

[grizzled fog]

What?

[pure raven]

Shanks is still pretty young

[visual merlin]

there were many people to escort

[pure raven]

does this make sense = garp almost as strong as roger, rayleigh a bit weaker than roger cause he is his first mate. we know that rayleigh against borsalino was pretty much even. so... lets say akainu is as strong as borsalino cause both are admirals. = garp a bit stronger than akainu?

[visual merlin]

it's not like there's an admiral for each nation

[pure raven]

Lol escorting is admiral level I like that 👍🏻

[modest skiff]

In my eyes it was an admiral-level of responsibility to be escorting them. Not that he did some kinda admiral fight. New nation included in reverie? That seems amazingly important and that you would want the highest in security for them

[sand sail]

It's really best not trying to spin a web like this

[pure raven]

true, theres just no info lmao

[visual merlin]

it's one of many nations, they'd all get good treatment

certainly not an admiral thing

[fathom matrix]

Garp is probably admiral level, but despite his strength, I don't think he could last long against Akainu, due to the fact he has gotten older and he's not as agile and fast as he used to be

[modest skiff]

True it just felt like fishman people were extra important for a variety of reasons. I may be totally off. But I saw it as a really high level of responsibility

[visual merlin]

none of the admirals were escorting people anyway

[sand sail]

Well, we have info, including an actual showing of an Emperor vs an admiral, but we don't know where Rayleigh was

[pure raven]

rayleigh was first mate of roger, so we do know his strength or not?

[grizzled fog]

Not much to suggest Garp was “almost as strong as roger”, Rayleigh was probably quite a bit weaker than roger, Rayleigh in his old age was equal to kizaru for a time but tired out quickly, so he definitely wasn’t at kizaru’s level...

[sand sail]

Not at all, unfortunately

[zinc iris]

I doubt kizaru and rayleigh were going all out, and also the latter is not in his prime anymore?

[grizzled fog]

Both were serious

[pure raven]

tired out quickly? can you explain that, i didnt get that feeling from the fight, maybe i missed something

[visual merlin]

I would Ray in his prime slightly over Kizaru

[grizzled fog]

Sure. Rayleigh was huffing and puffing and sweating after a several minute clash with kizaru. It’s that simple

[fathom matrix]

we can assume that prime rayleigh was admiral + or Yonko level, but RN he's probably as strong as an admiral or slightly weaker than one.

[compact glade]

How much admirals does it take to beat a yonko

[visual merlin]

2 usually, I'd say

[fathom matrix]

2 or all 3

[grizzled fog]

I’d say 1 gets destroyed, 2 somewhat destroy

[visual merlin]

rayleigh right now is probably more like as strong as katakuri or king

strong enough to hold back or be a threat to an admiral, but they aren't going to have much of a shot at winning

[pure raven]

Don’t sleep on akainu, the dude took heavy damage from WB and is still kicking

[grizzled fog]

Rayleigh definitely isn’t at admiral level in his old age

[fathom matrix]

I'd say an admiral can take out a yonko commander.

[visual merlin]

I agree

[fathom matrix]

maybe 1-2

[visual merlin]

sure, especially depending on the commander

same for ray, he'd get taken out by an admiral

[fathom matrix]

3 commanders would be too much

[pure raven]

Burgess would be an easy kill for any admiral

[fathom matrix]

I wouldn't say an easy kill, but Burgess wouldn't last long

[pure raven]

i wish one piece would have ,, what if '' ova's to show such fights lmao man i wanna know what rayleigh vs an admiral would actually look like if it would be to death

[grizzled fog]

Ray and kizaru were both quite serious, so it wouldn’t look much different lol, except that if it were longer you’d probably see Rayleigh dying

[pure raven]

yeah still, such fights would look so epic if animated in a movie

[compact glade]

Did he leave anything permenant

[pure raven]

whitebeard on akainu? dont think we saw anything

[grizzled fog]

Who, wb? No but thats to be expected, most fights don’t leave permanent damage

Luffy has been an inch from death countless times but he really only has scars from himself in chapter 1, and akainu

[compact glade]

Yonko can't beat admiral

[pure raven]

uhmm... whitebeard was already straight up fucked, even before the fight. sickness etc. dont think we ever saw a full power whitebeard besides the roger vs whitebeard scene

Wb stayed with a hole in his chest

[compact glade]

But still

Nah im just joking a bit, I know

[pure raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnU4wopkfeE anyone know what the other legend is that garp is refering too? i cant remember

[grizzled fog]

Whitebeard

[pure raven]

thanks

[misty timber]

Do you think we ll see luffy next chapter already?
I wonder if oda is not going to end all fights like queen king and so on before he comes back

[pure raven]

i think soon there will only be fights. no more talking and running around etc

[compact glade]

Or reverie before act 4, please :(

[rocky yoke]

Whitebeard and rayleigh

[misty timber]

Mmm idk i want to stay on wano aha but i feel maybe something huge is coming that will actually change the fights a bit like when luffy entered the ace war, maybe saving momo will become the only new goal for the moment or something like thaht

[pure raven]

you dont think this will be a seperate arc/straw hats workign with the revos ?

[compact glade]

No I meant like

We get a bit more of what happened in reverie before act 4 maybe

[hollow grotto]

@calm pond Well, it was more of an observation than a theory I suppose - I was just wondering if there was a connection. In Chapter 1008, Kanjuro and Orochi both appeared back on screen when we thought they were dead, and there were two small birds that were floating in the back behind Nico Robin of the cover page. I instantly remembered back to the theory that Kanjuro was the traitor back when it was still popular, and one of the supporting evidence pieces used was that the birds that we see when Kanjuro returns to the modern day, go to Orochi to send him information about the samurai returning 20 years in the future. In the anime recently, we saw a brown bird with a small blush that looked eerily similar to Kanjuro's badly-drawn birds back in Dressrosa. Not only that, but now that we know Kanjuro is the traitor, he had to have been giving notes to Orochi somehow, and I'm not sure if it was shown in the manga or not, but the anime all but confirms this was how it was sent.

The 'observation' is really just connecting that the background birds in Chapter 1008's cover page were supposed to have been some sort of reference to Kanjuro and potentially Orochi. It's just a small detail, so I really didn't want to bother posting it and get the tinfoil hat reaction when it first came out but I'd like to believe it's true.

[calm pond]

Could be

[hollow grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825790767057469539/848620258663464960/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825790767057469539/848620602427179008/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825790767057469539/848620281337741312/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825790767057469539/848620650758537296/latest.png

usually I don't post these publicly but I thought it was worth pointing out something that could be entirely coincidental or just as much intended.

[pure raven]

i dont think things like that are coincidental, specially with oda

[hollow grotto]

If it wasn't intended, it sure was one hell of a great coincidence

but tinfoils and skeptics will always tug at each other to play one narrative or the other about Oda

[pure raven]

i mean, if you're an artist or animator, every little thing is something that you do think about, no single line is an accident. and we know that oda does do such little details, so i think its more likely to be intended

[hollow grotto]

yeah I know that Oda is extremely particular in certain aspects, I'm just aware of the amount of praise he gets and how some people react to him being worshiped for his intricacies so I'm just trying not to appear like I'm 100% on it

[pure raven]

alright

[pure raven]

regarding rayleigh vs kizaru https://i.snipboard.io/f9nBY6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gjuEKm9_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[sand sail]

Yep, Rayleigh is a problem to hold

[weak arrow]

Garp hyped him up even more. Dude said they couldnt prepare for whitebeard and capture rayleigh simultaneously

[sand sail]

Makes sense too, regardless of what it takes to bring him in, he has no devil fruit. There's no way to guarantee he can't break out when the man can potentially just shatter even seastone

Since he can swim through the Calm Belt for miles no problem, Impel Down isn't a hindrance in any way

Essentially, it's borderline impossible to hold him

[amber oar]

likely if he was caught they'd execute him asap

[pure raven]

after luffy gets teleportet we dont see anything about rayleigh. we just know that after that, kizaru did go on to capture some random pirates in his rage. means he didnt keep fighting rayleigh

[pure raven]

what u think about this fam?

[amber oar]

the Navy was short in time and trying to save resources for the war with WB

[pure raven]

to me that makes it clear that rayleigh is atleast as strong as kizaru in that moment

specially if he fell in rage, we never even seen kizaru get angry

Old people in one piece are not strong enough to beat admirals, even Garp, we had so many examples

Admiral is the top-power of the OPverse, even if it's a large scale of power

[amber oar]

"strength" isn't a single number, you can't just claim Kizaru is an 800 and Rayleigh a 700 (to say an example)

You gotta account for offensive, defensive capacities, also for stamina. I imagine Ray can inflict insane blows but being that old his stamina may be a weak spot

So Ray may be able to harm Kizaru greatly but can't extend the battle too long

[pure raven]

I think it's just to say basically the vs, not analyse it deeper

[grizzled fog]

Rayleigh may have been pretty much equal to kizaru in combat capabilities, but his stamina was so poor he wouldn’t have been able to keep that up for long, i think it’s fairly clear Rayleigh wasn’t as strong as kizaru there. If that fight had gone on ray definitely would’ve lost

I think ray fits nicely among stronger commanders like katakuri and Marco in his old age tbh, and I think they could pretty much do the same thing as him, hold off an admiral for a couple minutes

[modest skiff]

The addition I would make (in my opinion) is that Rayleigh would be much stronger if he spent like a year getting back in shape or something

[grizzled fog]

Maybe

[modest skiff]

yeah i mean rayleigh is one of those guys just like kizaru where the only times he does anything, he's like actively laughing and shit, so its really hard to know how strong any of these shmucks are lol

[amber oar]

I think he can do more than a couple of minutes.

He doesn't have enough on him to beat Kizaru, but he does have enough so Kizaru couldn't afford finishing the battle vs him, given the context at the moment of the clash.

Like, going all out would have hampered him looking forward the summit war

[grizzled fog]

Eh, tbh I can totally see kizaru winning without sustaining serious injuries

[pure raven]

the chapters and pic literally show it, thats a fact

[modest skiff]

The math I have been using is:

1v1 yonko other than luffy owns admiral
1v2 yonko assumes they will lose eventually vs admirals
1v1 Luffy eventually loses to an admiral? This is where my math gets super fuzzy. And its a weird place because right now Luffy seems way weaker than Kaido but I also get the feeling that changes by the end of Wano arc.

If I am being honest, my deep down hope is that Luffy doesn't end up beating either Kaido or BM this arc and that it ends in some kinda weird tie/alliance/not-actually-an-alliance

[pure raven]

Yeah and vista is level mihawk because they cross their sword, of course

[pure raven]

the pics and context of the manga show it tho

[pure raven]

kizaru got in a rage, and said please dont interfere lmao

[amber oar]

if it was the case he could have captured Ray on the spot without worrying about the timing

[grizzled fog]

Show what?

[pure raven]

if you dont belive the single pics i showed, go reread the chapters, oda made it clear in the manga

[pure raven]

You quote me

[pure raven]

So clear we discuss it again

[modest skiff]

Got a link to the pages of interest keve?

[pure raven]

yeah i went and reread the manga and shared pics to you to show the arguments

[modest skiff]

oh sorry, must have missed

[pure raven]

@modest skiff best to just reread it tho, it has fantastic paneling

chapter 507 i think

[modest skiff]

Ok I'd say I am convinced by that. At the very least, if Rayleigh hit the gym for a month, he'd beat Kizaru, based on that panel

Like I think if you just tossed rayleigh and luffy on that island for a month, rayleigh would be like "aight get your ass over here kizaru"

[modest skiff]

I chose to take this as Rayleigh being a total asshole to Kizaru

[grizzled fog]

? What do you mean by that

[pure raven]

thats showing that rayleigh isnt fit, as he says. but we do know that rayleigh begged rayleigh to not intervene, that he raged after the fight and just went to capture random pirates. and kizaru himself said: ,, but if we were to even attempt to capture you... we would have to prepare ourselves in more ways than one'' and garp also said something similar NOT DIRECT QUOTE ,, the navy doesnt have enough forces to go against 2 legends''

[last halo]

"Begged"

[pure raven]

,,please dont intervene ''

[grizzled fog]

Yea Garp said that because they’d most definitely need an admiral to bring him in, and at that point they were gearing up to fight Whitebeard, recalling their forces and such, they really didn’t want to send an admiral out unless absolutely necessary

[last halo]

That's not begging

[modest skiff]

I mean that he was saying "god damn look how slow I am" while keeping pace with Kizaru. I think he was exaggerating his struggle in a condescending way. Especially since this was right after slicing his cheek. Its like Mike Tyson complaining about being old despite the fact that he could put a hole through a tree. But I think it could be read both ways. Personally, I think Rayleigh was being overly modest in a japanese'ish way

[pure raven]

kizaruz was fighting rayleigh even together with the sumo girl and then simply stopped. that shows that he cant win

anyways, if the manga itself doesnt convince you, i dont think i can

rayliegh vs kizaru was more like, hey i'll slow u down, and once luffy is safe, Bye

[modest skiff]

Eh keve I honestly think some of these panels could be taken differently, but I do agree with your analysis

[grizzled fog]

Rayleigh definitely was serious about being tired and too weak to help lol, he WANTED to go help luffy but he literally couldn’t, and he sliced kizaru’s cheek when kizaru was trying to go after the Strawhats, he was actively trying to go somewhere else

[pure raven]

wanna add a last thing to the being tired thing. luffy mostly gets tired in a couple of second in the fights, even faints something and still wins that doesnt show anything

[grizzled fog]

This is an impressive level of Rayleigh wank. Kizaru didn’t fight Rayleigh with sentomaru, and he stopped after because taking down Rayleigh, although 100% possible for him wasn’t something he could half ass his way through, he’d have to try

[pure raven]

i think rayleigh is good enough to stop anyone in one piece world, but in a long fight, may lose out due to age. that's all

[modest skiff]

I do agree he was being serious about everything he said except maybe being too weak to take on kizaru. I honestly kind of see this as "insufficient data" because when have we ever seen kizaru or rayleigh "push themselves"? Until we see one of them yelling, I honestly think this approximation is questionable

[pure raven]

he raged after it

[grizzled fog]

Yes because he couldn’t capture the Strawhats, that wasn’t about not capturing Rayleigh

[pure raven]

https://i.imgur.com/gjuEKm9_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

also i don't think their fight was serious, otherwise in what world does a Shichibukai kuma stands a chance to come between them and whisper and leave

[pure raven]

kuma is crazy strong

[grizzled fog]

They were serious, both of them

[pure raven]

doubt

[modest skiff]

I consider Kuma one of the big question marks. I don't buy that both of them were serious

[grizzled fog]

And neither was sure which side kuma was on, there was no reason to attack him

[pure raven]

prolly 3rd or 4th strongest shichibukai @kuma

[grizzled fog]

Thinking neither were serious is kinda wild, considering Rayleigh actively admitted he wish he could’ve helped the Strawhats, and kizaru was angry afterwards that he couldn’t capture a single supernova, doesn’t make sense for either to hold back

[pure raven]

i think they were serious but it didnt look like it cause kizaru wanted to go away from rayleigh and capture the SH but he wasnt fast enough since rayleigh always caught up with him

also rayleigh dont want no trouble, he only wanted to help the SH.

i have been waiting to see Sentamaru wack Luffy around one more time.

[modest skiff]

What we have seen is that fights of this level basically never even start until they conclude they can win. I saw this as both of them playing footsies and then deciding not to commit. Think about what "trying" means in One Piece. There's like 3 levels of effort that need to be apparent first IMO lol

[pure raven]

yeah it wasn't even a real fight

[modest skiff]

Akainu vs Aokiji = real fight. that is what trying looks like

[pure raven]

more like when denijro/kyoshiro held baack zoro from killing orochi. We know Zoro is way stronger than any akazaya but , the akazaya is strong enough to hold him back.

[modest skiff]

Yeah, Zoro would have needed to flex and "actually try" in order to kill orochi there

[pure raven]

yeah , instead he played around and then went to save hiyoro

[grizzled fog]

Do we know that pre enma zoro is way stronger than denjiro?

[modest skiff]

I would say Zoro's gorilla thing are enough to deal with denjiro

the thing he used on the whatever straw monster thing

[pure raven]

What’s an example of devil fruit awakening

[grizzled fog]

Doflamingo and Katakuri turning things into their respective substances

[pure raven]

Ohhhh

[modest skiff]

Zoro slicing through Pica is also an example of what I would consider sufficiently strong to defeat denjiro

[modest skiff]

As I imagine ideal ways for Orochi to die, I thought of Zunesha bonking him the way Jack was

[sonic plaza]

What if the 3 souls of bb theory is true, and this parallels the number of skulls on his flag. And each end of the bones represents 8 hours that each soul is active

This would also explain why he never sleeps and has 2 devil fruits and could possibly get another

[gloomy sinew]

we all know what gear 5 actually loooks like
you know on thriller baaark
when luffy was fighting dynamax gecko moria
and he used gear 3rd then gear 2nd
thats gear 5
oda cheesed us

[sonic plaza]

From what I know, Blackbeard has the only 3 skull flag

[grizzled fog]

You mean when he used G3 and G2 at the same time? Because he already did that in Onigashima, that’s what Red Roc was

[gloomy sinew]

also i think how mr teach got whitebeards thruit is he used his yame yame no mi to absorb his devil fruit

[modest skiff]

I didn't know that was blackbeard's flag. Not sure I ever paid attention to it TBH

[gloomy sinew]

oooh

[sonic plaza]

No, it seems like Burgess can do it as well

[gloomy sinew]

wdym

[modest skiff]

That would explain why it was 100% critical he got that fruit. If it is his way of getting 3 fruits, it makes sense to dedicate his life to that. And it explains why he was able to convince very powerful people he would end up as #1. If you are able to show someone that you can eat 3 devil fruits, they will probably assume you are the real deal

[gloomy sinew]

true soo

another theory

[modest skiff]

The only thing is that it is unclear how blackbeard would have learned that so early in his life. But then again, do we know how early it was that blackbeard decided to find the yami yami?

[gloomy sinew]

that i got

[modest skiff]

I like the theory that a lot of people have, which is something roughly along the lines of blackbeard being very closely related to xebec and perhaps had a bunch of really deep info very young

[sonic plaza]

At dressrosa, Burgess wanted to kill sabo and receive the flare flare fruit

[gloomy sinew]

what would happen if robin knew and had haki

[grizzled fog]

She’d be a bit stronger

[pure raven]

seems like they have figured stuff out regarding devil fruits

[cyan berry]

Robin doesn't really need Haki anyway

her ability is best for sneaky assasination

[slate zodiac]

Problem is that it can’t be souls cuz when law switched tashigi and smoker, tashigi was in smoker body and had access to his df so it can’t be a soul thing.

[modest skiff]

wat

[gloomy sinew]

and im talking about coatings like lyuffy's advanced conquers coatting

[cyan berry]

as long as her foe is distracted for long enough then she wins

[modest skiff]

Everyone needs haki. So long as logia users exist, knowing haki is strictly superior to not knowing it

[cyan berry]

how many logia users are on Wano right now?

[gloomy sinew]

hrmmm

[modest skiff]

how many logia users are between now and the one piece? how many admirals? There's no argument against learning haki. It is purely good and in some cases, critical

[cyan berry]

Robin was never ever going to fight the Admirals and you know this

[sonic plaza]

Well, the devil fruit becomes attached to the body. This would also explain how bb can use 2 fruits at the same time, even if one belongs to an unconscious soul

[modest skiff]

Robin could get in a situation near an admiral or something. Easier to escape than to kill. Robin doesn't need to solo an admiral to benefit from haki

[gloomy sinew]

0 i think we got paramecia;s and definitly zoan;s and theres a theory blackbeard is in wano

and gecko moria is there too

[cyan berry]

if she wants to escape from an admiral then why would Haki help?

[sonic plaza]

I seems like he was just interestedin watching what was gonna happen

[cyan berry]

remember, anything her limbs feel, she feels too

[slate zodiac]

Nice theory also yk when the leaks drop?

[cyan berry]

Akainu could burn whatever limbs she restrains him and it'd be over

[gloomy sinew]

oh yeah so sakazuki's magam will burn her

[sonic plaza]

Tomorrow night or Tuesday morning

[modest skiff]

What I am saying is that robin has some non-zero benefit to learning haki. I am not saying she is useless without it. Look at how many times a less powerful character is able to escape by like punching someone and then running. But again, the idea is not "will haki fundamentally make robin amazing and transform her purpose?", it is whether or not she benefits. How could it be zero usefulness?

and there could be other logias. People roughly her strength, but logia, so she needs haki. There's all sorts of stuff out there. We never know, so she may as well learn it

[sonic plaza]

Also after talking to Ace at post Enies, it seems like he wanted it to negate devil fruit powers

Wait, what happens if sugar touches Blackbeard

[cyan berry]

if he doesnt activate his fruit in time then he's fucked

[sonic plaza]

Yeah, hopefully oda could answer that in an sbs

[cyan berry]

why

not like Sugar or her fruit will be relevant again

[gloomy sinew]

i came up with a cool new concept with shanks, it might of had been seen before, but this is original in my eye's i came up with a haki that is golden and can make him temporarily invincible, and he can coat his whole body in it to become a god for a shprt while: benifits include: strength rivalling probably kaido, healing like marco, can move at the speed of light and is able to counter any atack

also sugar can one hit kaido if he is off guard

[cyan berry]

please keep this channel serious, Blickbeard

[icy sapphire]

GUYS, Yamato white tiger zoan?

[light pond]

You could send the question yourself Oda accepts english questions

[gloomy sinew]

oh sorry thought i couldmention that here

[light pond]

This is a big possibility specially from the way the anime opening depicts yamato with golden glowing eyes

[icy sapphire]

Here look #

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJu68854/

[pure raven]

Bb and his crew steal fruits by eating part of the dead fruit users body, maybe the Heart or liver. Because bb covered up WB to do it and that seems odd if he just used his DF, but if it’s something nasty like eating their organs then you’d wanna hide it

[fathom matrix]

Huh, it kinda does look like a clock.

[gloomy sinew]

anyhow another theory my brother keeps churning them put, oda mentioned doffy wouldve participated in the current war in wano who, but luffy 10000hit him, but if he was to take part in the war, whom woulda been his replacement

[icy sapphire]

Even kanjuro drew a white tiger to climb up to zou

[cyan berry]

that was a pink dragon

[gloomy sinew]

i think that maybe this couldve been blackbeards ark tbh

[icy sapphire]

Which may foreshadow the reveal of the zoan

[cyan berry]

oh wait nvm

forgot

but yeah not a good reason

[modest skiff]

I think we just don’t have enough info tbh

[light pond]

No they steal it by killing the user and bring a fruit closeby that is why burgess has a bag behind him when he attacks luffy

[icy sapphire]

Mayb just foreshadowing imo

[cyan berry]

not every little thing is foreshadowing

[icy sapphire]

I’m just saying it could be idk

[gloomy sinew]

there is a one piece reference in one piece

[light pond]

It is not a theory in Oda's original plan it was Doffy that was supposed to be in this war not big mom but he changed it already

[icy sapphire]

Just a thought..

[gloomy sinew]

i know but my question was who woulda replaced him, or would the dressrosa and punk hazard arcs just not happened (soz for bad english, trying to be quiet on keyboard, grandma sleeping and dislikes me on computer at night)

how do i get my ranking?

[pure raven]

Nah I think they eat a fruit users organ

[light pond]

Just like i said Big Mom replaced the role of doffy whatever plan he has was also all scrapped

[gloomy sinew]

ahhhh

i feel like rob lucci is gonna play a role in wano somehow

[light pond]

They dont that is why burgess has a bag behind hin when he attacks luffy

[pure raven]

The bag could be to hold the organ to eat later in case it’s not safe to do so right there, also if it was easy like that we would see peeps running around with bags in case they kill a fruit user

[gloomy sinew]

yeah the fruit comes out of there body

[light pond]

Lucci is not in wano atm so whatever role that is would be post war but i cannot see him going to wano since he was on marijoas

[gloomy sinew]

or something

like ace's (rip)fruit

[fathom matrix]

Lucci is all the way in the holy land, too

[light pond]

The fruit does not come out of the body the power transfers to the nearest fruit

Havent u all seen punk hazard when smiley died?

[fathom matrix]

Plus, I imagine he was too busy fighting the revolutionaries

[gloomy sinew]

i know, but he did say he's gonna follow robin till he.she dies

and where is robin in wano

[light pond]

When smiley died the power transfer to the nearest fruit that is why caesar had apples delivered near smilry when he killed him

That is why burgess carries a bag of fruit too

[gloomy sinew]

ahhh]

im trying to come up with my own laugh

[pure raven]

We don’t know if that was the nearest fruits

[gloomy sinew]

wohoyohohuheh thats my laugh

[light pond]

We know since we saw it transform

[pure raven]

It’s the organs man

[fathom matrix]

I still wonder if the type of fruit matters. As in, does it need to be a banana for kaku's fruit, does it need to be an apple for smiley, or does buggy's need to be a pineapple?

Like, if a fruit went extinct like that one species of banana, would that power travel around without a fruit to host it, or would it reincarante into the closest fruit like it?

[gloomy sinew]

we'll see

[pure raven]

No we don’t know if it’s the nearest fruits lol

[gloomy sinew]

ill wirte to oda asking that question

[light pond]

Have u even read punk hazard it was clearly shown there

[fathom matrix]

we did, smiley died right next to a cart of apples, and the fruit turned blue afterwards

[pure raven]

It was shown that there were apples and one of them turned into smiley, but that dosnt mean that there wasn’t something else nearby

[gloomy sinew]

[pure raven]

I still think they eat the organ

[light pond]

It was the top most apple nearest to smiley

[pure raven]

Where was BBs bag of fruit when he killed WB? If it’s like that

[queen arrow]

i don't think so

[pure raven]

BB covered him up to eat his heart or liver that fiend

[gloomy sinew]

the curtain he used might of been the bag

[pure raven]

It wasn’t a bag, you just said it was a curtain it can’t be a bag

[fathom matrix]

When you eat a devil fruit, it seems like your body is the container, but my guess is, you need to consume or bite off part of the body as it's dying or that bite kills the person.

Then you get the power

[pure raven]

You only need to eat a very small part of the diet to get the power

[queen arrow]

Whitebeard's body was untouched by Blackbeard

[fathom matrix]

You don't even need to consume a devil fruit to get the power, the bite alone gives it to you

[pure raven]

WB had a hole in his chest, not hard to reach in there and get what you need if not BB used his fruit to suck out the DF power and inject it into himself in a way. But I don’t think the fruit power transfers to the nearest fruit

[queen arrow]

i don't think Oda would have people say that just to turn out that he actually did something to his body

[light pond]

I wouldnt argue about what BB did to WB plus the whole issue of BM and caramel could clearly indicate eating df users can inherit the fruit but it was so impractical for BB pirates to eat df users organs when they can easily carry a fruit while killing the user as indicated on what Burgess was doing in dressrosa

[errant oxide]

Blackbeard eating Whitebeard’s organs like those cherry pies

[queen arrow]

and Whitebeard's hole in his chest wouldn't lead to any organs since it was a burned hole

[fathom matrix]

we don't know that, but there was that one theory that because B.B's DF has been said to "absorb devil fruit powers", maybe if he's in complete darkness and when he's absorbing that power from a dead/dying body, he takes it all.

[pure raven]

We didn’t see the sides of the hole was cauterized or how ever you spell it lol

[queen arrow]

we know that, people literally say so

[gloomy sinew]

wahehahuhe

[icy sapphire]

His fruit coats around the body and just sucks it all up

[gloomy sinew]

wahehahuhe my devil ftuit would be the tree tree fruit

[fathom matrix]

Hell, maybe B.B's logia powers might actually act like a logia (as in turning into an element) when he's in complete darkness.

and we saw his powers mostly active during the day or in an area full of or has light

[light pond]

I think this is serious manga theory section stuff like that could go to #manga section

[gloomy sinew]

ik

[queen arrow]

i don't think Oda would have people say 1- that nothing had changed with Whitebeard's body and 2-that Blackbeard's odd body might explain how he can have 2 fruits if these aren't hints to what happened

[hybrid halo]

Since wano created the seastones for negating df users I feel like usopp could use that in his arsenal going forward

[pure raven]

BB being able to have two fruits is diff from what he did to get the second one, to body woudl look unchanged to them they were far away and not like they can see inside WBs body. But like yeah taking the fruit power could be specific to BBs yami fruit

[mighty moth]

gear 5 will prob be a combination of all of luffys gear 4 forms, each form specializes on enhancing a specific trait, so snake man focuses on his stretchyness and tank man on his durability etc, so if he would combine all of that + all three advanced haki's he would get a gear where he is faster, stronger, more durable and stretcher and throw haki in and you get gear 5

[twin void]

G5 might as well be his fruit just awakening

that still hasnt happened yet

[flat dagger]

do you guys think he will awaken his powers?

[weary cliff]

It's practically a given

[flat dagger]

i mean in this arc @weary cliff

[weary cliff]

Oh probably not. Conqueror's haki is the big thing, I think. Advanced CoA was building towards that, but CoC is going to be the key. Dropping three power ups in one arc is a bit much

[orchid tree]

Tbh what im most interested now is to know if luffy will ever use a weapon bcs roger had one shanks too and sabo too

[cedar sinew]

he's not going to change his fighting style

[orchid tree]

ah damn i thought bcs of that katana he used he might like it

[cedar sinew]

he literally punched while holding the nidai because he wanted to feel like a samurai lol

[pure raven]

I think luffy likes one of each in his crew and they already have a swordsman

[orchid tree]

hahah is true

but still it wouldve been cool to see luffy with a supreme grade

[weary cliff]

Supreme grade sandals

[orchid tree]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

imagine

but i still wonder who will save luffy

[zinc iris]

random chance means close is also possible

[little kelp]

are people really buying the whole ¨luffy turning the whole ocean into rubber?🤨

[orchid tree]

wtf

[dusky acorn]

The exact qualifications behind awakening may be unknown, but surely being knocked out and plummeting towards one's demise isn't one of them

It's more likely whatever is happening with Momo saves him

It's a pretty big coincidence that he's only now having this voice of all things reaction whilst Luffy is now in the midst of needing help

[obtuse hound]

Momo is the one prophecized in the One Piece. That is why Roger was "too soon". Oden is one generation too early in his line to be the next Joy Boy. That is why Oden took the steps to hide him in the future when the next generation of pirates could bring him to Raftale.

[grim oyster]

wasnt it toki's idea to hide him in the future?

she saw what would happen in 20 years and time jumped them there right?

[zinc iris]

roger was too soon also because shirahoshi needed to exists also
I rather think that Momo per se is not prophesized to exists, but instead him being the last of toki's lineage makes him necessary for something that toki should have done in his place

like commanding zunesha

[zinc iris]

because of what oden found out she knew that 20 years in the future the awaited good future would have finally happened, so escape there was opportune

[orchid tree]

the zunesha theorie is pretty convincing

atleast more than the one where shanks comes and rescues luffy

[fluid kite]

Just wanna say if Kaido is in the castle on cleanup rn he’s gonna see Ulti and Page One’s bodies after what Big Mom did and he’s probably gonna flip then boom Big Mom Vs Kaido

[silk acorn]

Eh

If he know bout Joyboy, he should have some idea about Imu

And if you wanna find the one piece, you’re gonna need someone like big mom as an ally

[grim oyster]

not really, we have no idea if jb and im are connected

[silk acorn]

So i doubt he fucks that all up cause of ulti and page one

[weary cliff]

Not necessarily. Even us as the audience can't definitively connect those two figures

[errant nova]

Came here to also discuss this lmfaooo the Roger’s base vid was so funny

[cerulean coyote]

They knew each other from decades. If that was useful why don't partner up immediately?

Instead of disbanding rocks?

[grim oyster]

they dont seem to get along together, wb said that people like them arent really supposed to work together because they are "leaders" which is why the rocks crew broke up

[errant nova]

They def didn’t like each other

[silk acorn]

Probably were just bitter about the past but now they have a common enemy (Luffy) and patched things up (sorta)

[grim oyster]

^

[sonic plaza]

well, of course he wont, but when we finally get into the luffy vs bb arc and learn about the dark dark fruit more, then maybe someone else will ask

[cerulean coyote]

That's a real point here. You know that one of your former crew has a road gliph and in 20 years you do nothing to acquire it? Or maybe save ohara from the call since you know that red stones are useful?

[little kelp]

yeah😂 I came here right after watching the video

[compact glade]

Wait a sec

[silk acorn]

I mean he wouldn’t know about Ohara right? I would assume that buster calls are secretive and the marines just wipe off whatever island they destroyed off the map

Then the people just gradually forget about that island

[fluid kite]

It’s just a thought

[errant nova]

I think him doing anything to the water specifically is just silly but wouldn’t be surprised if he has more composure in the sea because of the sea stone cuff training. Which does open the possibility of maybe awakening the sea floor if you wanna make the connection to the anime opening? All obvi a super huge reach but funny to speculate on/more realistic than water—>rubber

[silk acorn]

Not saying that kaido forgot about ohara though! Just saying he didn’t know that it was being destroyed so he couldn’t stop it from getting destroyed

[cedar sinew]

awaken the sea floor?

when he's unconscious?

what would that even do.

[errant nova]

Turn it into rubber and bounce him up tank man style

Which is dumb and unrealistic but riffing on the luffy in water craze from the anime opening

[grim oyster]

he cant consiously stretch underwater, so i assume he cant use awakening asuming he does

[compact glade]

._. No, just no please

[cedar sinew]

rubber isn't a trampoline. Tankman requires a specific build, and Luffy is forcibly returning the blow directed at him

and using the anime opening as evidence is just invalid

[silk acorn]

Do you guys think luffy will be saved next chapter? I feel like next chapter will be another setup chapter instead of action

[compact glade]

Yeah you need to make sure you have some armor penetration resistance, also some magic resistance and trinity force

[errant nova]

Agreed I just thought it was hilarious

[cedar sinew]

try to keep it serious here 🙂

[compact glade]

Just cracked a quick one

[errant nova]

The octopus being an ancient animal akin to Zuneisha is solid speculation I think.

[compact glade]

Which octopus

[errant nova]

Maybe he’s yellin at momo for the command to save luffy

[grim oyster]

sumere

[compact glade]

Let me google it

Orange octopus?

[grim oyster]

yep

[compact glade]

Hm

So theory is its at wano?

[grim oyster]

i doubt he/she is there

[weary cliff]

None of the theories about a returning giant animal being in Wano have held any water imo. Especially Zunisha. Clearly something is around, though

[grim oyster]

wdym "something"

[weary cliff]

We probably don't know. I'd wager it's something unseen so far

[compact glade]

Its either something gigantic, or someone very strong

[grim oyster]

what makes you think there is something around wano

[weary cliff]

Momo can hear whatever it is

[grim oyster]

he can?

[weary cliff]

He's freaking out just like the time on Zou

[compact glade]

Yeah

[weary cliff]

Saying things like "who is that"

[tired osprey]

feels like he would recognize zunisha if it was it, but then again, zunisha is def foreshadowed to play some big role, but is it now?

either way I think whatever he hears, will be the thing that fish out Luffy

[compact glade]

Im 99% sure it isnt zunisha

[tired osprey]

could be sea kings too, but theyre more of a shirahoshi thing

[compact glade]

He would defo recognize her

[tired osprey]

why is that?

[errant nova]

There could be land kings that are parallel to sea kings

[weary cliff]

Sea kings are a shirahoshi thing, right. It's probably too far for Zunisha to have walked to Wano, and Momo would have recognized her. So seems to be a new thing

[errant nova]

I wonder what dumb viz translation would arrive for those

[tired osprey]

wdym?

[compact glade]

What if its something anti climactic

[weary cliff]

I'd rather that than some of these over the top theories. I see why OP youtubers get a bad rap on this discord. I saw the worst take from someone today. They went on about "land kings" too, but they went full tinfoil hat suggesting that Oden's ghost is coming back and that's what Momo hears. Because it's the night of the fire festival

[compact glade]

Wha?

Was he a op youtuber

[weary cliff]

joyboy on youtube

[boreal rock]

zunesha was specifically chosen to be in the eye catcher for the latest anime episode and the eye catcher also showed momo, luffy, oden, and rogers reactions to zunesha’s voice, i can see that being a way to remind casual fans of the elephants importance before having her revealed to be in wano

[compact glade]

Whats his discord, I wanna see the theory @weary cliff

[compact glade]

But he would recognise her? No? He was questioning who that was,

[weary cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVCey5_Nd0&t=1874s I'd skip ahead the first half to get to the outlandish stuff

[pseudo swan]

Ok crack head theory, wano is a giant turtle

Mono is hearing the spirit of the wano turtle waking up

[tired osprey]

so original

[pseudo swan]

Yes I definitely thought of this theory myself 🤔

[tired osprey]

we get a friggin country on a giant elephant, and now oda would go back to the common turtle island trope? no chance in hell

[boreal rock]

in the translation, momo refers to whatever he hears as “voices” plural, and he does the same when he hears zunesha’s voice. Maybe there isn’t a defined voice so that’s why he doesn’t recognize her?

[compact glade]

Wouldn't someone have recognised its a turtle by now

[pseudo swan]

I mean it’s a trope coz it’s cool idk

[tired osprey]

oh i thought u were referring to the youtube video posted above you lmao

[pseudo swan]

Heads underwater, move very slowly, like un noticeably slow, it would explaing the giant ridges the surround wano and that would be his shell

[tired osprey]

makes sense.

[boreal rock]

I think Wano is sitting in the fossilized stump of an ancient tree like Eve or Adam, similar to the one on Elbaf

[pseudo swan]

Or if wano isn’t an alive tortoise I’d like it if it was dead and onigashima was the skull of tje turtle

[compact glade]

How tf did its skull get there

[pseudo swan]

And zunesha’s crime was killing wano turtle

[boreal rock]

what if Momo was hearing the remnants of the soul of whatever being the skull belonged too?

[pseudo swan]

Yea exacely idk like anyrbjng is possible

[compact glade]

When are spoilers released, like which day of the week normally?

[weary cliff]

Tuesday

[boreal rock]

For all we know the voices he’s hearing could be the citizens of Wano partying and he’s having like an awakening like Koby did during the Marineford arc

[pseudo swan]

How did that big head get there in the first place ya know? Wano turtle could have gotten decapitated and the continent is the remaining shell and the head is onigashima

The secret passageway through the waterfall is his butt hole?

[compact glade]

Wano used to be on sea level too, probably was there before it raised up

[compact glade]

Uhh ._.

[boreal rock]

Kaido references that his mansion was built recently to Oden, so it was either moved their 20 years ago and he brought it from Punk Hazard or it’s always been there and he built up a mansion within it

[pseudo swan]

I would think it’s always been there and kaido built his mansion in it

I mean 100% I am not committed to this theory I just think it’s pretty cool and any thing that happens I am fine with

[compact glade]

For all we know this giant turtle could be kaidos mom or something

[boreal rock]

I’m still on the Monkey D. Kaido train ngl

[compact glade]

Hmmm

[pseudo swan]

Every time a chapter comes out I always do a couple realistic theory’s, crack head insnae theory’s and worst possible scenario theory’s

[boreal rock]

worst possible theory is that Kaido becomes the new MC

[pseudo swan]

Like with oden showing up tje realistic one was fox or kanjuro, crack head of bon clay or that one black beard crew lady (sorry I forgot name) and bad theory was it was actually oden

I think it’ll be zunesha or just the people of wano realisticly

[boreal rock]

we still don’t know who the silhouette helping the scabbards out was

[weary cliff]

I would classify Zunisha as the "bad one" in this scenario

[pseudo swan]

It’s definitely toki

[compact glade]

Enel

I know it isnt enel, but I want it to be :(

[grizzled fog]

Toki is dead

[pseudo swan]

If it’s done wel it’d be really cool but if oda doesn’t pull off the reasoning wel enoguh then it’d be shit

[grizzled fog]

It’s hiyori

[pseudo swan]

She can teleport at any time to the future

[boreal rock]

Zunesha would be so cool tho? Imagine her pulling Luffy out of the sea and then the raid gets reinforcements from the ENTIRE mink tribe? They’ve got a population of like 700,000 so they could easily outnumber the enemies

[compact glade]

Yeah, she was shot point black head shot, whoever shot her has some nice aim tho

[tired osprey]

she wasnt

[grizzled fog]

Doesn’t matter, she didn’t do that. She said she wanted to stay in her time and die with oden and she did

[compact glade]

The anime showed it tho @tired osprey

[tired osprey]

are you thinking of bellemere? lol

[compact glade]

Wait am I going crazy

[boreal rock]

anime didn’t show her get headshot? Only implied it

[tired osprey]

even in the anime she didnt get shot in the head

[compact glade]

Im going insane

[boreal rock]

we do see a huge pool of blood tho, so it would still be a surprise to see her alive

[pseudo swan]

There’s no way that oda wrote a time traveling character that was alive In the void century to simply just die in a flashback

[pure raven]

She served her purpose of sending the scabs into the future

[pseudo swan]

Wasn’t there a pool of blood when she only got shot by one arrow in the thigh

[boreal rock]

she lied down in the pool of blood in the last on screen shot we had of her

[pseudo swan]

I think it’s toki idk

[pure raven]

I think shiki will make an appearance

[weary cliff]

Oda made the smart move writing the toki toki no mi out of the story before it got too dumb

[pseudo swan]

What if it gets dropped 😭

I actualy think shiki will have 0 plot relevance at all

[pure raven]

He’s out there in the OP world, kinda a waste to keep him hidden

[pseudo swan]

Yea but most likely he’ll get killed off with an off screen black beard fight 🤷‍♀️

[pure raven]

BB ain’t takin shiki no way

[pseudo swan]

That’d be like bb’s way of saying “hey I’m the new rox take me seriously pweeze 🥺”

[pure raven]

Shiki kills bb 1 on 1

[weary cliff]

everyone shortchanges my man Teach

[pseudo swan]

Black beards gonna 1 V 1 shiki and win just to prove agent of satan wrong

[pure raven]

Shiki has got a wheel stuck in his skull, and cut of his own feet 💀 he takes BB any day

[pseudo swan]

I watched anime up to wano then read and watched wano to current, and does earlier parts of the manga like show the revolutionary army is a stronger light

Coz of what I saw in the anime, I can not imagine the Revolutionary army being of any large story importance, like I’m sure they’ll be important in the final war but no where near as important as like the white beard crew in marineford

[compact glade]

But the revo army are a importance to the story

[pseudo swan]

They just seem so weak tho

Like except for dragon(coz we don’t know) they all seem like not strong enough to matter

[compact glade]

Sabo tok?

Too*