manga-theories

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@lunar shell This channel is for serious discussion about theories

[lunar shell]

I think Genbu will save Luffy. Momo is hearing him.

[cyan berry]

...Genbu?

[sturdy hound]

sure ig, but what's the point...

[lunar shell]

We have the Dragon, momo / Kaido, The phoenix, Marco. The Tiger ( Yamato obv )

[dark palm]

not even sure, the arcs were framed in completely different manners the whole theory is just a winding train down a hill

[lunar shell]

We juste need Genbu and he is a monster not unlike Zunesha. Who will save Luffy cuz he think him worthy

[weary cliff]

A perfect example of why parallels are a bad argument

[shadow pike]

Who do you guys think that Momo is hearing in this last chapter? Zunesha or Sea kings?

[amber oar]

neither

[bold gull]

I interpreted it as a reaction to the marys broadcast. there's a frog marys observing shinobu and momonosuke from behind

[amber oar]

if were Zou Momo would recognize it, and hearing seakings would be redundant at this point, plus I'm not sure they can enter the waterfall

[pure raven]

think its something else

[bold gull]

I definitely think that Zounesha will show up in Wano though. Momo and the others stayed on Zou after Luffy left to WCI to figure out what was going on with Momo controlling Zounesha and it would be weird if they didn't try to figure out how to use it in a battle on which they expected to be in such a huge disadvantage

[visual plinth]

can momo maybe control land kings similar to shirahoshi with sea kings. Zunesha,the big shadows in thriller bark and the mountain god from oden flashback being some examples of them? I haven't given much thought to it just head canon at this point but food for thought

[pure raven]

i do wonder something, will kaido really die now?

[pure raven]

I feel that he might get defeated if Big Mom leaves.

cause, oda said the final war will be the biggest thing ever. and if it will be the biggest thing ever, i feel like kaido has to be alive and be fighting there

it being the final war, and kaido preparing for it etc. i feel like he gotta be in it

[light python]

I think the government is a big enough threat

[pure raven]

Not to mention, didnt BB recruit all the past warlords?

[pure raven]

wouldnt it be kidna strangeto have kaido talk about the war so often but then not be in it?

[pure raven]

he def recruited/forced some

[candid rivet]

luffy is joyboy right ?

[light python]

good point

[rocky yoke]

Did anyone notice the crack in kaido club

[light python]

not according to Kaido haha

[pure raven]

i mean, he kinda has to be/have his will

[pure raven]

daaaamn thats intressting, was it there before?

[rocky yoke]

I don't think so

I don't think anyone did it other than luffy

[pure raven]

that definitly be a dope moment if luffy breaks his weapon. btw that pitou pic is dope af

[rocky yoke]

I am sure luffys coc haki is stronger than kaidos but he can't use it right

[rocky yoke]

Thx

[tidal tangle]

how r u sure his is stronger

[rocky yoke]

So many reasons one of them this crack

And when the admirals first wetnessed it

[pure raven]

also he the protagonist so... its kind of a given i think

[rocky yoke]

Like luffy might have used stronger coc haki at marine ford than we think

[tidal tangle]

they were surprised luffy had , coc , nothing to do with the power of his coc

[rocky yoke]

I think coc have to do with your will to live

[tidal tangle]

and i dont even know what u mean by the power of his coc

kaido has shown better mastery over it

is there anything else to it ?

[rocky yoke]

Wdym?

[tidal tangle]

i mean what r u implying by stronger haki ?

[rocky yoke]

Luffy just got this power and was able to make kaido bleed and hurt him and he still didn't master it yet

Because he is new to it he lost

Not because kaidos coc haki is stronger

[pure raven]

that do be true, normally someone would learn the power and be not good at it at first. and not directly be able to use it against the strongest creature

[rocky yoke]

Yes and maybe Bec luffy was giving out so much coc haki he couldn't control it and then he lost

Also luffy spent dozens of minutes

[hidden jetty]

Hey guys, mind if I type out a theory I have?

[rocky yoke]

Meaning over 10-20 minutes just fighting kaido

[pure raven]

pls do

[rocky yoke]

Why not

[pure raven]

Kaidos weapon coulda gotten cracked, cracking luffys skull

[rocky yoke]

What 😂? Ok we will return to you let's hear the guy theory

[dusk willow]

do you guys here watch Tekking 101?

[rocky yoke]

I do sometimes

[rocky yoke]

But mostly joyboy theories

[pure raven]

i hate his guts

[dusk willow]

do you watch his chapter reviews?

[dusk willow]

why? is it because he is loud?

[rocky yoke]

Not always only on the very hype chapters like 1010 and 1000 😂

[pure raven]

im just overdoing it a bit, i just dont like his way of doing videos, thats all

[dusk willow]

he doesnt over do it tho

[hidden jetty]

I think Raftel is a physical place, but in order to get there, it is not a physical route. It doesn’t make sense to me, the amount of resources people like Kaido and the amount of years he has been on the grand line that him neither any of the yonkos or even marines for that matter, have not found the island. I think MAYBE the poneglyhs, once all found and deciphered, have some type of code or key that must be used in order to get a passage way (non-physical) to Raftel. Call me silly or crazy but maybe this dimension/ area works similar to the Rainbow mist.

[light python]

Is Rainbow mist canon?

[pastel summit]

no

[hidden jetty]

it’s in the anime, but I’m not saying it IS the rainbow mist, but something like that idea

[rocky yoke]

Have you watched stumped movie?

[tidal tangle]

wdym by not physical way

[light python]

it's possible

[dusk willow]

Kadio has been on TGL for many years to build his crew, and to get the poneglyphs

[pure raven]

dmt trip maybe?

[hidden jetty]

No my theory isn’t from the movie

[covert fog]

wait that's blood

[pure raven]

that dont look like blood tho

[hidden jetty]

I mean not physical like it’s not something you can physically sail to and find

[rocky yoke]

The black thing going up is haki

[covert fog]

how it doesn't

[hidden jetty]

You have to do something or it will never appear

[rocky yoke]

Have you watched stumped movie

[dusk willow]

yeah thats what i was gonna say, its not liquid like blood more like the color of supreme king

[hidden jetty]

No I have not watched the movie

[covert fog]

don't look like haki

[pure raven]

i dont think oda ever showed blood as white. its too edgy and looks more like a crack

[covert fog]

but it is black

[pure raven]

It could be luffys brain mater

[rocky yoke]

No it is go see luffys using coc haki and BM they both have it look like this

[pure raven]

im sorry, i thought u meant the crack

[visual merlin]

definitely haki

[pure raven]

but the black thing is haki, its the advanced verison, i think we saw that also when roger fought whitebeard

[visual merlin]

that's haki yes

[dusk willow]

no way that is blood

[visual merlin]

this is him winding up

[covert fog]

looks like blood, haki have some lightning vibes

[rocky yoke]

That's not normal haki it's coc haki

[visual merlin]

we see the haki there too, it's haki

[dusk willow]

blood isnt straight lines its smoother and blobbier

[covert fog]

we'll see next week

[visual merlin]

we won't though

[dusk willow]

well your wrong lmao

[visual merlin]

we'll just see the aftermath, not like there's gonna be a note telling us what the black stuff is

[hidden jetty]

What do you guys think about Raftel? Or is it too early for theories

[rocky yoke]

The coc haki is a new concept for us so it would make sense if it's more like waves than lighting

[covert fog]

well that's why this channel is "manga-theories"

[dusk willow]

yeah kinda like the movie

[rocky yoke]

In stumped there were the island is underground but can go up at well or something

[visual merlin]

it ain't blood

[pure raven]

i gotta watch that movie, i always had the feeling that in one piece there has to be some type of underground stuff

[hidden jetty]

I like this. So something like Hollow Earth?

[dusk willow]

if you pay attention to Doffy and Luffy clashing, when luffy saves law in dressrosa the conq haki was like lightning

what do you guys think of God Valley?

[rocky yoke]

No it's more the island is underground but go out and fly like sky island

[dusk willow]

you should watch Tekkings video about Rocks D. Xebec he did yesterday

[rocky yoke]

Maybe that's how godvally disappeared

[dusk willow]

nah watch his video

[rocky yoke]

Tekken?

[dusk willow]

Tekking101

[rocky yoke]

Link

[dusk willow]

ight lazy

[rocky yoke]

Bec I might have watched it but forget it

[dusk willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMWdGl5KsSk&t=1578s

[rocky yoke]

Oh you mean his last video

[dusk willow]

i don't get how ppl can hate him he goes into good detail about things

latest yeah

[rocky yoke]

I will watch it

But @hidden jetty has a point which is you can't go to raftel by sea

[hidden jetty]

You guys think Kaido is trying to do something to bring back his old captain?

[rocky yoke]

If it was possible the marines or the government would have destroyed it

[dusk willow]

isnt Raftel and Laugh Tale the same place? just copyright by Viz

[rocky yoke]

Raftel before Roger flashback

[light python]

nah he's his own man now

[hidden jetty]

Raftel is official name Laugh Tale is nickname

Not to serve him, but maybe they have some scheme going on

[dusk willow]

well, the island isnt something you can just sail to. thats why the poneglyphs exist

[hidden jetty]

Idk, I’m throwing stuff out there

[rocky yoke]

Ok wait

How did the world know Roger went there like he didn't just go around and say I went to raftel

[dusk willow]

maybe the island isnt made of what islands are normally made of with the magnetic field?

[hidden jetty]

You can’t sail to it, i think it’s because if you saw every inch of the sea, you wouldn’t find Raftel. That’s the point I’m trying to make

Roger said he went to Raftel I’m pretty sure and found the one piece. At his execution

When he said “in one place”

[rocky yoke]

No in the flashback it was stated he discovered the whole grand line and then they changed his name to gold

[dusk willow]

i doubt its an alternate dimension thing. it could be under the sea, or it comes up from the sea every few years like that one island in the east blue with that dragon and the little girl?

[rocky yoke]

That's filler arc I think 😅

[dusk willow]

is it canon

[pure raven]

juu maybe its under, maybe its flying maybe its on the moon lmao

[rocky yoke]

It wasn't in the manga

[dusk willow]

still could be something like that

[rocky yoke]

I say it's an island that appearsr when you do something or get close to it idk

[modest skiff]

Yeah I also think there is some trick to getting to laugh tale that prevents WG from going. I’ve wondered if perhaps only people of D can do something but I think WG would be able to force a D person to do something. Or maybe being a D means it’s impossible to force against your will. So people of D can’t be forced to be slaves and can’t be interrogated, so WG can’t reach laugh tale

[dusk willow]

WG?

[modest skiff]

World gov

[hidden jetty]

It’s considered to be in the New World so I think it’s still on Earth. But the Moon isn’t a bad idea. After all, the moon is what makes the grand line so dangerous

[modest skiff]

Using to mean all of royals and navy etc

[hidden jetty]

Mohdoo I don’t think D has anything to do with it cause rest of Rogers crew went. Also he could’ve told WhiteBeard to get there

I think will of D is more about carrying on the duty of true history/ one piece and overthrowing the world government

[pure raven]

im just talking a bit bulshit right now, but did we ever hear something about the trajectory of the moons in one piece? purely headcanon but maybe theres a certain day or year where the moon gets like really close to one spot on the ocean etc etc

[dusk willow]

kinda like put the poneglyph on a wall that is enscribed with it then it makes the island appear

[modest skiff]

They went but maybe you need a D to open a door or something of that nature. I dunno, I’m grasping.

No matter how you slice it, I think people of D are more than a prophecy and I think they can do something or they are resistant to something

[rocky yoke]

The WG or the marines know something about how to get there or even it's location or maybe imu know only who enters it and who doesn't Bec how did the WG and marine know Roger went there and then changed his name from gol d to gold

Like Roger did go around and say I went to raftel

[hidden jetty]

Not sure, that would be an amazing theory maybe it has some connection/connecting path to the moon XD idk

[dusk willow]

The road poneglyphs exist to help one get to laugh tale, when they say you can't just sail to it that means that a log pose doesnt work on it. thats why the poneglyphs exist

[hidden jetty]

I think the marines must have some info about it but I feel like if they knew where it was they would’ve taken the one piece. Maybe you’re right, though, and the reason they can’t take the one piece is because it’s contained in a poneglyh that needs a key, and we all remember poneglyhs are indestructible

[pure raven]

unless the one piece is all blue/destroying the red line which would mean the WG couldnt take it but it still would be a physical thing

[hidden jetty]

Despite the lack of log pose, I think by now Kaido and the other Yonko would’ve tried everything to help them find it

[dusk willow]

no thats been debunked

[pure raven]

how so

[hidden jetty]

The one piece is already confirmed to be a tangible thing

[dusk willow]

yeah, thats how they know that log poses dont work

[pure raven]

how is all blue not a tangible thing

[modest skiff]

The thought I had was that there’s some sort of planetary alignment that happens every 900 years or whatever. So when Uranus, Neptune and Pluto (or whatever planets are in one piece) all align, Joy Boy comes back or something. It would also explain why the ancient weapons are born at certain times. I think moons and planets end up being really important and perhaps those planets are where those weapons originally came from

[dusk willow]

the all blue is what the 3 weapons are for. not the one piece

[pure raven]

so you say the all blue and one piece have nothing in common?

[hidden jetty]

it’s gonna be something resting on the island

[dusk willow]

maybe

[hidden jetty]

I think the all blue is the entire worlds oceans. Maybe after destroying the red line with the ancient weapons, which are unlocked and useable because of the One Piece, are meant to be the difference makers in exposing the world government and winning the war

[pure raven]

true, i just looked it up to be sure and wiki says ,, until they reached the final island, where Roger found the treasure left behind by Joy Boy. The treasure caused him to laugh profusely, resulting in him naming the island Laugh Tale. '' makes me wonder if its a book that explains the old kindom etc

[hidden jetty]

One piece shows true history and how to awaken ancient weapons

[modest skiff]

I honestly still think it’s possible there’s just some place in the grand line where all the seas have an under water current intersection point

[dusk willow]

think, if the treasure made the ENTIRE crew laugh then it must have been a fake out or somwthing

[modest skiff]

Nah I don’t think so

[pure raven]

The other way around

[dusk willow]

or maybe its something that the world government wanted

BUT didnt roger say that it wasnt the time or something?

[modest skiff]

I think the one piece was just incredibly humbling. They were the strongest crew and did what no one else could and then it turned out when they learned everything, they are just a small piece of sand on a beach. I think they learned about lots of different planets and all the powers out there, like how the ancient weapons were made by other planets or something. So then they realize their entire world is tiny, so they are nothing, so they all laugh. That’s why I think they all laughed

[dusk willow]

strongest crew at that time*

[pure raven]

so youre saying it would be a book?

[modest skiff]

Well sure but the same deal. They were top of the world. Then they learned they are actually the tallest midget. No I am saying also lots of treasure and stuff. I think it’s a glorious treasure and also tons of knowledge. I think it’s basically a vault of the people who were defeated

[pure raven]

okey, what do yall think about the enel cover story?

[dusk willow]

Well since the road poneglyphs are called Road for a reason. creating a road

[dusk willow]

its gotta be non canon

[pure raven]

i find it really intressting, specially because if the moon is hollowed out, maybe same is on earth and theres something hidden inside? and what i find intressting is that onone cover story, enel tilts his head and when you tunr it around, the moon looks like a straw hat, which makes me think about ,,lets turn the world upside down'' which was mentioned oine or two times in the series

[pure raven]

it does show what seems to be the backstory of how the skypia guys came to earth

[modest skiff]

While on the Moon, Enel uncovered the link between the moon, minks and the Kozuki clan. Enel learns it is just as difficult to reach earth as the moon and his new allies have wanted to return for hundreds of years after fleeing during the great war.

[modest skiff]

Cover stories are canon aren’t they?

[pure raven]

kozuki clan too? not just the skypia dudes?

[modest skiff]

Kozuki clan has lots of moon imagery. Minks super charged by moon. Advanced robots on the moon. Some advanced race got defeated hundreds of years ago. It’s a little hand wave’ish but it feels somewhat supported

[dusk willow]

thats the void century

[modest skiff]

That’s part of my why I think we’ll learn about lots of planets or lots of moons

[dusk willow]

because TWG wanted the history of Rocks to dissapear, and they did just that

[pure raven]

intressting

[modest skiff]

The void century isn’t the rocks pirates

[dusk willow]

yes i know

[modest skiff]

Rocks pirates were recent, void century 900 ago

[dusk willow]

do you think i am dumb? i was using it an an example

[modest skiff]

I think many planets is also enough for Roger and his crew to laugh at laugh tale

Sorry, I meant no offense. Just misunderstood 🙂

[alpine shell]

well not really, joyboy named it raftel 800 years ago, then roger came along and nicknamed it laugh tale

[modest skiff]

Can you source this please I don’t remember that

[dusk willow]

TWG wants to keep the void century hidden and undiscovered and they want the same for Rocks. TWG was founded during the VC and they are keeping a 800 year void out of existance? just think about how bad that it. Rocks did something so bad that he was erased from history so think about what happened during the void century!

[modest skiff]

True gotcha, thanks for explaining. Agreed

[alpine shell]

it's just logical, there's not really any sources aside from raftel being what we used to call it until the "He laughed" scene

[pure raven]

the wiki says so

[modest skiff]

Ok makes sense thanks

[hidden jetty]

Maybe the guy talking about the planets being connected is right. Maybe Imu has something to do with the crossing over from planets to earth. I don’t think Im is human. And I have a feeling he was the top dog from the very beginning. And I mean beginning as over 900 years ago.

[pure raven]

Then the wiki is wrong

[dusk willow]

no u

[pure raven]

We know nothing about what the island was called before Roger got there

Translations picked it up originally as raftel because of how Japanese is written

[modest skiff]

My theory is that Im was one of the advanced civilization that got wiped out. I think he betrayed his people and overthrew them similar to Orochi. Either that or he is from a rival planet of the advanced civ

[pure raven]

Then we got an official romanisation and it was called Laugh Tale

[modest skiff]

Like I think Im allied with their enemies so he could be king or something like that

[hidden jetty]

Maybe this advanced civilization has something to do with the appearance of devil fruits on earth

[pure raven]

Before the release of One Piece: Stampede, the name of the island was commonly known as "Raftel" in both official and unofficial translations. In the movie, however, the name is spelled as "Laugh Tale" on an Eternal Pose. The Funimation dub opted to start using Laugh Tale, though the subbed version did not.[2]

The manga later confirmed the spelling of Laugh Tale as well as the origin of its name in Chapter 967.[1] According to Takuma Naito, an editor of One Piece, the editors in charge of the series had been told of this spelling and its meaning a long time ago.[8]

okey so it is laugh tale?

[dusk willow]

doesnt Im reign over the celestial dragons? if so then he has to be very old and must have lived from then. maybe the original founder of TWG

[hidden jetty]

I still think the devil fruits have yet to be fully explained, maybe Im and his race has something to do with it

[hidden jetty]

That’s what I said. I’m almost 100% certain Im has been the dude from the VERY beginning

Maybe him and JoyBoy are connected

[modest skiff]

Theory 1: all of these advanced people were born with powers which is part of why they were so advanced and powerful. That’s why they are called devil fruits, similar as “devils” that Nico Robin studied with. It’s all WG propaganda that everything from ancient people is devil

[dusk willow]

maybe he was friends with joyboy? thats why he/she has that straw hat in a cold chamber. maybe Joy boys grave?

[pure raven]

Yes. Chapter 105 was one of the first mentions of the island and we never had an official romanisation. It was just written in katakana （ラフテル） when Crocus mentioned it. Translators saw this and said yea it looks like Raftel. It was officially revealed as Laugh Tale during the Oden flashback when the Roger Pirates named the island.

[pure raven]

yeah i think so too. as far as i understand it, every human family/kings got together to rule earth besides the Family D. this happend after the war and so they overwritten history is tht correct?

It all came full circle

[modest skiff]

Think Im betrayed joy boy

[dusk willow]

it wasnt just the family D

[modest skiff]

D could also be devil

[dusk willow]

doubt it because what if that giant straw hat is joy boys grave?

[modest skiff]

Devil fruit, devil people, people of d, people of devil

[hidden jetty]

Im and JoyBoy are the sources of the devil fruits somehow. Maybe they’re brothers, which was why they’re both living so long. Im has lasted 900 years as well as JoyBoy will come back soon.

[dusk willow]

The will of D = the will of the devil

[dusk willow]

i doubt that, but we know nothing of them so ? i dunno

[dusk willow]

i just dont think that people are the source of devil fruits

[modest skiff]

He’s mourning and guilty for what he did when he looks at joy boys straw hat and he’s also scared of Luffy

[pure raven]

or it could be dawn. or maybe theres both since we also have people like blackbeard who seem to represent chaos and people like luffy who represent freedom

[dusk willow]

do we know if joy ever wore one?

[modest skiff]

Just a theory of mine

[dusk willow]

i mean it IS the exact straw hat that luffy is wearing with the band and all

[dusk willow]

thats why Doffy kept saying its the DAWN of a new ERA

he knows the secret of the celestial dragons

he says so while he is kept in impel down by himself

[hidden jetty]

Maybe JoyBoy was a giant in a particular lifetime. Maybe he reincarnates at a certain point in time. However, this time the one piece will be discovered and whatever has been going on between Im and JoyBoy throughout history will come to a conclusion with the war

[pure raven]

i dont know where i read this. but it was along the lines of: the big straw hat was a promise to the old poseidon from joyboy, that he will bring peace to the fishmans and bring them back up with the noah. i found this an intressting thought, although it doesnt explain why it would be at Im's palce

[modest skiff]

Yeah i like that GD3RD. Part of me thinks there is some sort of timing issue with overthrowing the WG. Like 2 things need to happen at the same time

[dusk willow]

my theory: Doffy knows the secret of the celestial dragons right? That's why he is kept in solitary confinement in lvl 6 of impel down. During Jaya, him and Bellamy keep on saying that the DAWN of a new pirate era is apon us! big brain right there

[hidden jetty]

I feel like if he knew something that important he would be killed on the spot

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think we all agree Doffy learned something huge. He says he did when he went back to MarieJois

[dusk willow]

TWG is sending someone to kill him right now

[modest skiff]

I think its possible there are very strict rules about when you can kill a celestial dragon because they are convinced they are gods now

[dusk willow]

doffy isnt considered one because of his father

[hidden jetty]

Why keep him in impel down? If they were able to get him there can’t they just kill him?

[modest skiff]

Like I could imagine a Celestial Dragon needs to kill another one or something before their laws allow them to be executed because they are SO important in their eyes. So even Doffy knowing stuff, not enough to justify an execution

[pure raven]

i think its multiple things. we need joyboy's will, poseidon, pluton and uranus and then MAYBE the one piece

[dusk willow]

to make WG look good

[modest skiff]

If Doffy can possibly serve a purpose down the road, no reason to kill

[dusk willow]

he knows a secret. they are going to kill him

[hidden jetty]

@pure raven @modest skiff I think the one piece is the “one piece” needed to figure out how to free/release JoyBoy and stop the world government with the 3 weapons. That’s why roger was like “it’s not time” and whitebeard said there would be a great battle when the one piece is found. That’s when JoyBoy comes back.

[dusk willow]

think, if what doffy was doing on dressrosa wasnt bad, they are still keeping him alive but now want to kill him because he knows a VERy important secret.

[modest skiff]

Great idea @GD3RD

not sure why discord didn't let me tag you, but you get the idea

[dusk willow]

damn this theory makes me wanna cum

[dusk willow]

and joyboy is frozen under the straw hat where Im went

[modest skiff]

Turns out the One Piece is just a freakishly large battery to power everything lol

(sorry, not serious)

[dusk willow]

@hidden jetty BRO YOUR THEORY IS AMAZING

[hidden jetty]

Thanks man haha, it actually makes me feel good

[dusk willow]

I think the one piece is the “one piece” needed to figure out how to free/release JoyBoy and stop the world government with the 3 weapons. That’s why roger was like “it’s not time” and whitebeard said there would be a great battle when the one piece is found. That’s when JoyBoy comes back. Joyboy is frozen under the giant straw hat that Im went to see in reverie.

[modest skiff]

I keep thinking about "timing" and the only thing that makes sense to me for timings on this long a scale is planetary alignment

[dusk willow]

true

[hidden jetty]

Maybe even something like only someone with the will of D can release JoyBoy/inherit his powers or some shit like that. Which could also explain why roger was too sick to start the war, but knew there would be someone down the road who could ( D-descendants). Cause the crack in my theory is why couldn’t roger just release joyboy and die knowing he helped the world.

[modest skiff]

So here is something interesting about planetary alignment from our own solar system, not that I think ours is a good approximation: "Because of the orientation and tilt of their orbits, the eight major planets of the Solar System can never come into perfect alignment. The last time they appeared even in the same part of the sky was over 1,000 years ago, in the year AD 949, and they won’t manage it again until 6 May 2492."

I think the one piece solar system aligning every ~900 years is totally reasonable

[hidden jetty]

Maybe he didn’t think his era of pirates could do it? Maybe he needed to inspire more people since he knew the WG was too strong for the current era? What do you guys think is the reason Roger thought it was too early

Because there is a lot of focus on eras of pirates

[modest skiff]

I honestly think Roger would only be discouraged by it being literally impossible. That's why planetary alignment or moon alignment or some shit makes the most sense to me. It needed to be a situation that even someone as wild as sturbborn as him would say "Oh well, GG, not possible"

[dusk willow]

that makes sense considering that when the person asked him where is treasure was he said it like you can have it as in he didnt want it

[hidden jetty]

Very true. Maybe the reason Roger laughed was because he made that whole journey to know the secrets of the world, and had all the power a man can have, but was powerless to do anything about the prophecy/duty of will of D and the one piece

[dusk willow]

gtg cya

[modest skiff]

seeya

[hidden jetty]

See yah man

[modest skiff]

I definitely agree Roger and others felt powerless or a lot weaker after finding one piece

[hidden jetty]

I think we are all definitely on to something, that’s for sure

[modest skiff]

Agreed, thanks for the discussion :) time to go for a run, see ya

[hidden jetty]

See yah

[sharp cedar]

Just gonna leave this here for those who were saying Wano would not get crazier

[pure raven]

Joyboy is dead tho
Or do you just mean his will

[pure raven]

We know it
Because shirahoshi wasnt born yet

[pure raven]

The dormant thing seems to be im tho
Either that or somehow rocks is still alive :thinking:

Also didnt he also say that the dormant thing would be shown in 2018?
I think i just watched a video from morj about this yesterday

i try to find the video again

where did you get that quote form?

[modest skiff]

The simple fact that Wano made the glyphs was reason enough to think this will be the most insane arc yet

[pure raven]

oh no, the lurking legend is simply kaido i think

[sharp cedar]

Oda's message for the Jump Fiesta Exposition

[sharp cedar]

2018

[pure raven]

but which site? or did you wrote it yourselfe? cause funniiy its written with diffrent words then all the quotes i find

[sharp cedar]

At this point, every single character in One Piece has been deemed the lurking legend. I am totally done speculating LMAO

[pure raven]

no but it is kaido, he even says the greatest enemie the straw hats had so far, so its him

Kaido wasn’t really lurking since we have known about him and he’s like in your face about who he is

https://www.opfanpage.com/2018/10/22/zunishas-crime-and-the-reason-why-momonosuke-can-command-zunisha/ this some intressting stuff

[vestal furnace]

how will luffy survive?

[pure raven]

he was lurking back then, we knew him but not really also he is directly connected to whitebeard

If you know about him he isn’t lurking 👀 lol

[visual merlin]

Lurking legend is most likely rocks pirates

the legend of the rocks pirates, through Big mom and Kaido together

Biggest obstacle, connected to WB, and lurking

[pure raven]

lurking = in the background, greatest enemie of straw hats = obv kaido, connected to whitebeard= obv kaido

[mental root]

or someone from the Roger Pirates

[pure raven]

Ehh I still don’t think it’s him

Idk Ike it if it was Shiki tho

shiki isnt an enemie of straw hats

isnt kaido the greatest enemie that straw hats have fought so far?

[modest skiff]

They have intentionally made other members of the rocks pirates as shadows. I think other rocks pirates will be introduced and they are what is lurking

[pure raven]

Yeah but lurking legend sorta makes it seem like it would be something or someone who just were not expecting, and we totally expected to see kaido

[mental root]

I personally thinks (or wants) it is Scopper Gaban. come on, judging from the portrayal of the Roger Pirates, he seems like the 3rd or 4th most important member of the crew. We've met Roger, Rayleigh, Oden, Crocus. how is Gaban not formally introduced yet ?

[sharp cedar]

Cannot find the original link but here is the Sandman link:

https://twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/942320866964025344/photo/2

sandman (@sandman_AP)

Here is my full translation for Oda's message in Jump Festa 2018 today😍

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[pure raven]

What are the most popular theories rn for 1015

[weary cliff]

A lot of talk about Zunisha or a sea king saving Luffy. Personally, I think Oda might let that one stew for a while, and we can focus on the Kaido/Yamato situation for a bit. Assuming they do cross paths and we get a set up for a flashback

[pure raven]

Yeah I believe so aswell but think for sure we're gonna sea a creature that momonosuke can speak to that might save luffy

He should start continuing the rest of the fights like robin, jinbe, chopper although we saw some of chopper this episode. I'd also like to see if someone can help heal zoro

[sharp cedar]

I continue to increasingly believe that Who's Who is linked to CP0. His fight with Jinbe has been left for later

[polar bison]

why would WW be with CP0 when they’re already in Wano

[pure raven]

LMAO i found this on reddit: Remember Kinemon's DF? He literally makes clothes of things that he puts on top of his head. As wild as it may sound, there still is a possibility that he transformed Kaido's kanabo into a piece of cloth.

[sharp cedar]

I think we will focus on Franky, Sanji and Robin's fights first before we turn to Jinbe and Who's Who

[sharp cedar]

He's acting to be with Kaido for now

[pure raven]

WTF but can he transform things like metal? We've only seen him do like small rocks and leaves

But that would be insane and like so unexpected thats crazy af

He prolly can’t use his power on something that is coated in haki

[empty dagger]

what happened to franky lol, he been missing

[pure raven]

de we ever see him coat it in haki?

[fringe tide]

So whos going to save luffy, it cant be marco/momo/yamato or any other df users since luffy is submerged in water now

[empty dagger]

probably zoro

[pure raven]

Idk but I woulda imagine he would coat it in haki cause why not lol

Zoro can’t even move so he can’t save luffy

[pure raven]

cause kinemon isnt a logia

[empty dagger]

i mean he is the one who has saved luffy every time he's gone into the sea

[pure raven]

yes i would love that lmao

[fringe tide]

Except now he has a few broken bones and is currently a cross atm lol

[pure raven]

Law isn’t a logia either but he couldn’t move BM and kaido because of their haki so idk I’m thinking things that are coated in haki prolly can’t be transformed by kIn

[empty dagger]

ayoooo what if someone from the outside is introduced into wano and saves luffy

[pure raven]

But also even if kin isn’t a logia no reason why you wouldn’t hit him with haki, cause haki isn’t just for fighting logias is meant to increase your hit power

[rocky yoke]

Is the legend oda talked about oden 😒

[pure raven]

strongest enemie the strawhats have fought

[sharp cedar]

Many theories exist:

• Joyboy
• Oden
• Kaido
• Rocks

These are just some of the people theorized to be the "lurking legend"

[modest skiff]

Here's something I thought of just now: When Kaido said "I guess you aren't JoyBoy", that could show that he really has no idea who/what Joyboy is either. Just like how we have bits of info here and there, it could be the same for Kaido. He might have a few theories about Joyboy and when he saw Luffy tearing up the world, he was like "oh shit what if this kid is Joyboy lol". I think its totally possible Kaido is as clueless as we are

[sharp cedar]

Yes that is the point that goes against Oden

[pure raven]

i dont know, but tis obvious its kaido, i have no idea how call think it isnt kaido

[sharp cedar]

I think Luffy is Joyboy's reincarnation but Oda is trying to mislead us

[modest skiff]

I'm still totally not sold on the reincarnation bit

[sharp cedar]

a red herring

[pure raven]

obv luffy will carry on joy boys will

[modest skiff]

Yeah I can buy finishing what Joyboy started, which is defeating the celestial dragons, but I don't see enough reason to think reincarnation is the key

[pure raven]

yeh i dont think joy boy is a reincarnation like the weapons but just a will, or doing something

[modest skiff]

For Momo/shirahoshi, it appears to be a blood line thing. It could be a blood line thing without it being the same "soul"

[rocky yoke]

Damn

[modest skiff]

I honestly think part of the issue is the word "lurk". In some instances that could mean "never been seen" and in others it could mean "we know they are out there but don't know where".

[rocky yoke]

Yep totally agree

[vast atlas]

We're still missing the mystery of Luffy's "D"

That could somehow be linked to Joyboy

[modest skiff]

tbh i feel like we have so little information about "D" its almost impossible to theorize outside of the obvious "devil, devil fruit, people of the devil"

[rocky yoke]

I actually saw the theory of tekking101 and rocks or godvally still exist

It was discussion not theory*

[vast atlas]

Not to mention so many people have the Will of D

[sharp cedar]

I have a wild theory about D. Since One Piece focuses on laughing so much, D could represent the symbol of the laugh

[modest skiff]

yeah i've thought about that too

[pure raven]

monkey 😄 luffy

[vast atlas]

D was Dereshi this whole time!!!1!11!

[modest skiff]

The smile of the D is a ":D" face lol

[rocky yoke]

But it could make sense that godvally still there but the government erased it from history@dusk willow

I saw the video

[pure raven]

btw do we know what happend after garp went to fishman and told them about the chichibukai being broken up? do we know what the fishman peeps did after that?

[dusk willow]

no, godvalley disappeared completely. the island just gone

[rocky yoke]

Man you wanted me to watch the video and now you are debunking the theory 😂🤣🤣🤣

[modest skiff]

nope

[dusk willow]

its the same theory in the video wdym

[pure raven]

maybe same happend to it as raftel? strapped saome baloons to it or put it under water?

[vast atlas]

What if the concept of Buster Call was based off of what happened at God Valley?

[dusk willow]

wrong person

[modest skiff]

The thing is, we know nothing about God Valley, so we don't even know why they were there, and we certainly don't know if there would be a motivation to destroy it

[pure raven]

then sengoku wouldve said we buster called that island

[rocky yoke]

The theory is it maybe exist but the government doesn't want anyone to know about it like he was talking about sengoku tone that you might get in trouble if you know more about what happened exactly

[dusk willow]

nope. its stated that after enies lobby they rebuilt it. and the island of ohara is still there. so no it didnt get buster called

[rocky yoke]

Yep I totally agree with that 😂

[pure raven]

Does buster call even really destroy an island like completely and not just what’s built in it

[dusk willow]

yeah, but still. like tekking said we dont know how it was erased. maybe a devil fruit?

[modest skiff]

Buster call's metric of success is no more living humans on the island

[vast atlas]

I guess its to erase any people on that island

[modest skiff]

That's why they even killed everyone on the boats

[dusk willow]

the island has to be destroyed because they want to erase all of Rocks history

[rocky yoke]

Yes or maybe they just don't want people to go there like this mystery probably related to raftel like how does the government know Roger went to raftel if they don't know something about it

[dusk willow]

hold up brb

[rocky yoke]

Ok

[pure raven]

if the government wouldve done it then they wouldve buster called it, obv they didnt. unless the marine has nothing to do with it so they transportet the island somewhere, maybe its important to Im

[orchid glacier]

they weren’t planning on doing that, akainu just sacrificed them just in case there was someone who could read poneglyffs there

it was still smart of him since robin was gonna go on the boat

[pure raven]

The government did do it

[modest skiff]

Thank you for the correction

[pure raven]

we dont know this do we?

Akainu is a monster lol

[modest skiff]

coming from an agent of satan...

[pure raven]

Who else coulda done it lol

[orchid glacier]

everyone there was like “are you sure akainu?” and they did it, akainu could have gotten orders from higher ups maybe

[vast atlas]

If Franky rebuilt himself using Vegapunks parts and lab, could Vegapunk find some way to control him?

[pure raven]

Oh that’s interesting

[modest skiff]

I don't think transmission frequencies exist in their technology

[orchid glacier]

it probably does

[pure raven]

Franky should have umm computer ships to help that body of his move around and vegapunk coulda created doors in his tech he can acesss later on just in case someone steals it from him or tries to use it against him

[pure raven]

i gotta correct myself sengoku ,, the island the world government wanted to hide'' so yeah either some fruit, baloons or what not

[orchid glacier]

i feel like if franky were to ever fight vegapunk, then vegapunk would do something like this

[modest skiff]

I honestly don't think VegaPunk has a hint of loyalty to the government, they just have the power and money to let him do what he wants

[pure raven]

Sorta like how the pacifistas stand down when they see an ally, franky could see vegapunk and like shutdown or be unable to move

vegapunk seems to be his own faction. hes done good and bad. dont forget he also helped kuma so he guards the ship of SH

[modest skiff]

true, if pascifistas have image processing, they do have transistors, and its not far from that to make wireless comms

still don't think Vegapunk will be against straw hats by himself. He seems chaotic neutral

[vast atlas]

Or he could activate Frankys "full potential"

[modest skiff]

yeah tbh that feels way more likely

I've always dreamed of Vegapunk and Franky just nerding out upgrading Franky to do awesome shit

Franky would be a gundam within a year

[pure raven]

Everything franky can do is what the SSG’s new weapon is, an army of frankys could be enough to equal getting rid of the warlords especially since they had buggy in their ranks

[orchid glacier]

they had buggy but they also had stronger characters like mihawk, boa, law, doffy, and more

[snow herald]

I just came up with an idea about bb and his 2 DFs.
What if xebec had the yami yami fruit and it was awakened, it somehow allowed himself to be swalled up by the darkness, thus 'killing' him and the fruit reincarnates. However, xebecs soul is now fused with the DF and when bb eats it, he gains the ability but also xebec soul and this allows him to have an extra df.
It's very unlikely but it's an interesting thought. No?

Xebex could have also swallowed God valley

[pure raven]

Vegapunk is gonna be revealed in emerald city

The city of gold and the one piece are both real so I’m guessing the emerald city is aswell

Oda likes to play on popular folklore and stories and the wizard of oz would be great

I’m thinking maybe in elbaf or perhaps a separate island but who knows he wants to finish one piece soon

[modest skiff]

Oh wow I did not put emerald city and wizard of oz together

[warped patio]

Imagine if Franky ate a dinosaur zoan from an Offed Beast pirate to become a cyborg dinosaur like queen, do you think it would happen and which dinosaur would you like it to be from what we have seen so far?

[modest skiff]

pogchamp. I kind of feel like a T-rex is the only thing that would make sense for Franky but I could also see something like a euoplocephalus

I think it would be a type of dinosaur with some form of weapon, meaning a weaponized tail. Or perhaps a dinosaur that shoots venom. Either way, it would have to be one with a weapon beyond claws and jaws

Or also argentinosaurus because they are just freakishly large

You could argue the largest dinosaur is the most super dinosaur

[pure raven]

i figure it out, caribou will safe luffy

[warped patio]

Chopper giving a rumble ball to a zoan Dinosaur>>

[pure raven]

i know that everyone jokes about buggy, but i have a feeling that he's going to turn out being one of the most important people in the end game

he'll probably end up helping luffy recruit for the war

that seems to be what they are building him up as, someone that has connections

[ripe yacht]

i think buggy has the same ability as luffy in making allies..

[pure raven]

yea

[wooden topaz]

i'm pretty sure roger or someone there recruit him by chance...

*not by chance

[pseudo citrus]

read an interesting theory on reddit... something along the lines of: wano is closed because it's on the back of another giant animal, like zou. the kozuki blood lines are the ones that can control them, which is why momo has to stay alive: he's literally the only one that can open the country

[ripe yacht]

wow thats a cool theory..

[modest skiff]

Pog freaking champ. I love that.

[pure raven]

but that doesnt really make sense

[ripe yacht]

why not?

[pure raven]

oden wasnt able to talk to zou, opening up the country has to do with orochi/kaido not with the island being an animal

if the island is an animal or not, i dont know, would be dope. but opening up the country hasnt to do with that, but with the rulers of wano

[ripe yacht]

well yeah..obviosly it has to do smtg with joyboy.

[unreal prawn]

Could that be the reason why they waited so long to open the borders? Cause Momo is the only one that can communicate with the Wano animal?

[pseudo citrus]

that's the idea... Keve is right that there needs to be a reason why Oden couldn't just do it himself

[pure raven]

no the kozuki family closed the borders, we know that from the story

aint got nothing to do with an animal

[unreal prawn]

Interesting

[pseudo citrus]

I mean, maybe the animal has the ability to raise and lower the country, or turn the water that's pouring out on/off

[pure raven]

During his visit to Laugh Tale, Kozuki Oden learned that Wano was once connected with the rest of the world, but became isolated for a certain purpose to be fulfilled and to be protected from a great power. After learning about the true history of the world, Oden reached the conclusion that Wano should be opened to the world once more before Joy Boy returns.[12][13] However, he was unable to accomplish this, as he was overthrown and eventually executed by Kurozumi Orochi and Kaido.[14]

[pseudo citrus]

do we even have a theory for what it means to open the country?

[weary cliff]

It's a political thing. Being closed means it is illegal to enter or leave. An open wano would allow travel and trade. It's nothing mystical

[pure raven]

yes simply being like, hey we changed our laws, its open. and then opening the secret passage to everyone

it kinemon died, it'd be cool if zoro taught momo swordsmanship at some point... maybe the end of the story

if*

[pseudo citrus]

I do think it could also mean reducing the boundary to opening (i.e. having to ride koi fish up a waterfall)

[weary cliff]

Yeah, they'd likely open up the port that the beast pirates have been using

[pseudo citrus]

I agree that it could be that simple, but just spitballing with the idea: if the water flow was powered by some creature that momo could control, momo turning off the water could also save luffy

[sand sail]

Turning the water off guarantees Luffy drowns

[empty dagger]

i keep on thinking about kaido and big moms alliance, what if rocks himself ends up showing up to wano as the last villain like oda said🤔

[vagrant gust]

Isn't it really obvious that you can steal another person's fruit by eating their body? I was thinking that that's how Big Mom got her fruit. Probably something similar to what Blackbeard did...

[spring depot]

Eating their stomach seems like it could make sense, but idk if oda is gonna introduce cannabalism like that...

[pure raven]

This is so damn good

We've already had Kaido as the Azure Dragon. The animal could be a Black Tortoise

[spring depot]

i think oden would have done that on his own

[pure raven]

Imagine if it's Amatsuki blood instead

[weak arrow]

Nah Oden couldnt do it

[pure raven]

and that's why Toki went to the future

[weak arrow]

Oden couldn't converse with Zunesha like momo could

[spring depot]

ah

[obtuse gazelle]

Zunisha is not in Wano and that would just put the minks in more danger than before ... it’s definitely some new entity

[sand sail]

The minks mean to be in danger, they weren't even expecting to live through the night

This is a war after all, "safe" never existed

[weak arrow]

It certainly could be zunesha. She could easily have been on standby outside of wano. We know momo and inurashi traveled to wano while riding on zunesha.

However I’m liking this turtle theory more

[obtuse gazelle]

The minks aren’t supposed to rage a war or fight it, they just happen to be very close to the Kozuki clan. It’s not their “destiny” to die in war.

[sand sail]

Yes, it is. They're not only sworn to it, they are a culture of pure warriors, down even to their babies

[obtuse gazelle]

Now what would Zunisha add to the main plot in Wano ? And Momo would definitely recognize her voice instead of wondering whose voice that is !

[sand sail]

This is the closest thing to their purpose in life we've ever actually gotten

Zunesha would add a LOT. There's 1000 years of history between it and Wano

[obtuse gazelle]

Between Zunisha and Wano ?!

[sand sail]

It's almost inevitable that it'll be going back, given that the Kozuki are its masters too. There's a far better chance of Zunesha showing up than not, even if it's not immediately right here

Yes

[obtuse gazelle]

All we know is that she was marching aimlessly for a 1000 years by an order from someone

[sand sail]

Yes, by an order from a Kozuki

So, from someone who was presumably in Wano

[weak arrow]

Well, presumably a kozuki or someone close to them

[ripe yacht]

thats why momo gave her an order

[weak arrow]

The link is definitely there regardless

[obtuse gazelle]

It’s never been said it was a kozuki order ????!

[sand sail]

Either way, whether Kozuki or Amatsuki, Zunesha's got history with them directly

It doesn't have to be from them, Zunesha has the connection. Who gave the order isn't as relevant as the fact that there's a direct link to Wano from 1000 years back

[weak arrow]

Momo can control Zunesha. His ancestry is from Wano. That's all the connection you need.

[sand sail]

It was probably a Kozuki, and if not then definitely one of the Amatsuki

[obtuse gazelle]

Not necessarily. It has more connection to the ancient kingdom given the time she spent marching on sea, and I would say JoyBoy was the one she’s connected to rather than a Kozuki or someone from Wano

[sand sail]

Everything we know about Zunesha so far says that's unlikely to be the case

[bold gull]

is zunesha still marching aimlessly? momo gave them a new order during zou arc and maybe another one after that before leaving to wano

[weak arrow]

Why would momo be able to order Zunesha around if they aren't connected? Both the Kozuki and Amatsuki line are from wano

[sand sail]

Or, at the least, much lower in priority than the connections we've concretely verified here

Just because she's 1000 years old doesn't mean she's ever actually even seen the ancient kingdom

The only connection we know for sure is with Wano, there's been no such connection to Joyboy or the other bits from the Void Century yet

[obtuse gazelle]

I wouldn’t establish the connection exclusively to Wano or one of the families who lived there based on the sole fact that Momo is the only one able to speak to her

[weak arrow]

Well what other reason would Momo have this power? He is joyboy?

[obtuse gazelle]

We don’t know anything yet to connect Momo to JoyBoy, but that’s a possibility

[weak arrow]

Well, the simplest and most logical answer, is a connection to wano. Especially because the Minks are sworn brethren to the Kozuki and also live on Zunesha.

[sand sail]

There is a possibility, this is true

But you're placing the possibility over the established threads we have, that's the error

When we talk about a more likely scenario, the more you deny the more you hurt the argument. For this, we know Momonosuke can command Zunesha, and that someone gave it an order from 1000 years ago that clearly either came from the Kozuki or the Amatsuki, and we know this for a fact because the Kozuki symbol was in Zunesha's place and had seemingly been there for the full 1000 years at least

The most likely scenario is a direct thread to Wano, not the ancient kingdom or Joyboy. Joyboy could've gone to Wano, asked for help and tried to get Zunesha or something like that though

[obtuse gazelle]

The symbol is there because the red poneglyph was left to the minks care and they were sworn brethren

[sand sail]

But ultimately, the end we have now for sure is Wano

Then that's still more connection to Wano

[bold gull]

I bet Zunesha can catch onigashima before it fall and destroy the flower capital...😏

[sand sail]

We don't know why the symbol was there, whether it was carved by a Kozuki or just done by the minks around the same time, but the fact is it's there. That means Zunesha is directly connected to Wano.

More so, it's guarding one of the most important poneglyphs that the Kozuki created

[obtuse gazelle]

The minks are guarding it more than Zunesha

[sand sail]

That's not a distinction that actually exists

[compact glade]

Hmmm in the latest chapter when announced that luffy was defeated it says "rebel with the highest bounty " so that means Marco has a lower bounty?

[cedar sinew]

yes it does

[pure raven]

Does kaido even know that marco is in wano

[onyx ember]

it's possible marco has a lower bounty

Maybe kaido doesn't know he's there.

[cerulean coyote]

It is bao huang making the announcement...

[visual merlin]

^

So marco has a lower bounty

[cerulean coyote]

Since she should know almost everything real time.

[cedar sinew]

yup

marco having a lower bounty makes sense as well

it's probably somewhere around Katakuri's

[pure raven]

Lower bounty yet was kicking admirals in marineford

[cedar sinew]

why does that matter in the slightest

1. Luffy in his current state would be able to perform similarly to what Marco did at MF, if not better
2. Marco wasn't "kicking" admirals, he got thrashed around quite a bit as well
3. Bounty =/= strength

[fathom matrix]

Bounty just means how dangerous you are. You can be god like in strength, but if you hide it, don't accumilate a lot of power, and just commit like 10 crimes per month, you might get 10,000 or at least 1,million berries.

[errant oxide]

Just Luffy’s name makes his bounty higher than others

[visual merlin]

Marco kicking Aokiji and Kizaru once each doesn't become an inaccuracy if his bounty is lower than 1.5 or anything

[fathom matrix]

Luffy failed to do anything to Big mom really, but just the act of trying to kill her and allying himself with beagi and the germa at the last minite, gave him a billion

[pure raven]

Should'nt luffy bounty have been way higher for Just destroying ennies lobby and breaking out impel down declaring war on the world gouvernement for shooting down their flag punching a celestial dragon

[visual merlin]

is this supposed to lead into a point?

or is that just a side question

[hollow grotto]

They still wanted Luffy to be under the radar at that point, even if it was 400 million, since they knew how much of a threat he was, hence Kuma.

[pure raven]

Side question

[visual merlin]

ah

[cedar sinew]

it was 400mil at that point

which is pretty high

[hollow grotto]

400, yep sorry about that

[pure raven]

Kinda low for what he did

[fathom matrix]

While true, it's not like he was fighting or standing up against any powerful, admiral level marines, so it does count for strength of course to a degree, but the strawhats aren't going around every marine base doing that sorta thing, plus he wasn't alone in doing that.

[cedar sinew]

it was the highest bounty at that point in the series, so it fits narratively

[pure raven]

Doffy had the highest bounty that was reveald

[compact glade]

King is somewhere sleeping rn

[visual merlin]

doffy's was like 320

[pure raven]

400 was after ts

[cedar sinew]

doffy is 340

[fathom matrix]

but it was frozen when he became a warlord

[visual merlin]

he found out he had 400 post timeskip

[tribal roost]

Do u lot think haki was introduced well or not?

[fathom matrix]

yeah

[visual merlin]

sure

[cedar sinew]

yes doflamingo a literal celestial dragon who has the secret of the national treasure at his disposal was 340

[pure raven]

Jinbei reaveld that his bounty went up fmi arc

[cedar sinew]

and luffy became 400 after MF, surpassing that

that is your point

[pure raven]

Gotta agree

[visual merlin]

yea he told him in FMI, not that it only got there in FMI

[fathom matrix]

I think that the straw hats going into the new world, had to be aware of a new power that almost anyone could use, and it explains ythe montra on skypeia

[cedar sinew]

the 400mil is in response to what happened at MF. It doesn't matter when Luffy found out

that's irrelevant

[pure raven]

We as reader didn't know that before fmi

[fathom matrix]

Plus, Luffy's failure shows he needed more room to grow, and his DF powers weren't enugh

[visual merlin]

but it was there

[cedar sinew]

we didn't know yonko bounties until wano

does that mean the yonko didn't have bounties??

[pure raven]

We know that they had bounties but we didnt know high they where

[cedar sinew]

what is your point Mo

[tribal roost]

We had a rough picture tho

Well i did anyway

[cedar sinew]

when we get to know the bounties doesn't change when the bounties themselves went up or why the bounties went up

[pure raven]

Higher the bounty the more dangerous someone is

[tribal roost]

Not always the case

[cedar sinew]

no one disagreed with that

[tribal roost]

[cedar sinew]

what is not always the case?

the fact that danger to WG is directly correlated with bounties?

[fathom matrix]

AND TO BE FAIR, LOGICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY!....how much would it cost the marines? Cause the one piece world is massive, you have a lot of big name pirates, and I bet that even though blackbeard got to become a warlord, I bet he did get that 550million that Ace had.

So essentially, they need to be wary of the cost, and give as much money as they can, which won't also burn too much of a hole, as I bet the WG and Celestial Dragons, as rich as they are, are petty and greedy enough to go no.

[bold gull]

it depends on the definition of 'danger' robin had a quite high bounty despite being still a child

[cedar sinew]

it's just proportional and relative scaling in relation to other characters and their threat levels. The actual amount themselves don't matter

[tribal roost]

Someone like doflamingo is very dangerous to the world government but they can’t do nothing about it Cus he has something over them so i guess u could say he’s an exception

[fathom matrix]

It was high because she had dangerous knowledge, but they still made it low enough to say "she's just a kid, you can handle capturing a kid, right?"

[bold gull]

exactly I think after a certain point bounty become more like a measure on how close someone is to the one piece that is the ultimate 'danger'

[fathom matrix]

and how much it will cost them too

[cedar sinew]

that's why they made him a warlord and froze his bounty. If they didn't then I can see Doffy having close to a billion with all the underworld connections he has

[visual merlin]

bounties are always a measure of danger, if you're close to one piece that's just part of it

[tribal roost]

But who gets the bounty for people like doflamingo

[visual merlin]

Doffy had a bounty

[cedar sinew]

wdym who gets it

[tribal roost]

Luffy never got the money even though he beat doflamingo so I’m saying who gets the reward for the bounty

[cedar sinew]

because he's a pirate

[bold gull]

probably part of the BM and Kaido bounty are related to their possession of a road poneglyph rather than just power

[cedar sinew]

if a civillian were to capture him or a bounty hunter, they'd get the bounties

[visual merlin]

pirates aren't gonna get money from the gov

[tribal roost]

Oh yh bad example

[tribal roost]

I see

[pure raven]

they eat chopper

[cedar sinew]

@pure raven keep it serious here please

[pure raven]

ok

[bold gull]

I think there’s a weird concentration of DFs in Wano and I’m not talking about Kaido’s crew, of course. So far we’ve seen a lot of characters who are supposed to get get their DF without leaving Wano: Orochi, Higurashi, Semimaru, Kanjuro, Shinobu, Kinemon, Raizo, Hitetsu teapot and Tama (she may got it from Ace’s crew though). Considering that Wano borders were closed for centuries and that DFs supposedly spawn randomly in the world, their number in Wano seem a bit off.

[pure raven]

The old hag left wano for a time she could transform in a young Shiki maybe she had knowledge about the df

Or brought some with her

[queen arrow]

Higurashi and Semimaru where outside of the country, Orochi got his fruit from them and so did Kanjuro

[bold gull]

I guess I missed that detail. When was it explained?

[queen arrow]

which part?

[pure raven]

She literaly changed her face into shiki

[bold gull]

higurashi and semimaru outside of wano

[queen arrow]

"i have been out of the country" she says

[pure raven]

Saw this theory on reddit that since Kaido knew that JoyBoy was coming to Wano he took it over with the purpose of letting JoyBoy show up and try to free the country. With that he would basically put himself in JoyBoy's way knowing that his defeat was somehow inevitable

[queen arrow]

she gives Orochi his fruit, and then the 3 of them together give a fruit to Kanjuro so it's probably from her as well

[bold gull]

fair enough

[queen arrow]

that leaves Raizo, Kin'emon Shinobu, Tama and the Teapot. we don't know when Raizo and Kin'emon got their fruits but they have been outside the country for a bit before we met them, leaving only Shinobu Tama and the Teapot who never left the country

[bold gull]

Getting 4 DF is huge. It would mean that higurashi should have been famous/powerful outside Wano then

[fathom matrix]

Here's an idea, if you do manage to go over and meet the Gorosei and you're researching the void century, or you have questions. What if IM actually welcomes you and says "I can tell you everything. I can tell you everything, put any questions you have at ease.....but you have to die. I will give you as much time as you want, to give an answer, but when this story ends, you get all your questions answered, at the cost of your life, just so another soul doesn't hear about this" and imagine we get an explaination on everything, and as soon as someone goes "That....that is so incre-" but then they're cut off and killed.

Like, only circumstantialy and not always

[queen arrow]

what

much more likely they would just kill you immediately without telling you anything

[cedar sinew]

we won't get an explanation that way

[cerulean coyote]

Almost every pirate crew has 4 fruits since the start of the grand line. Its uncommon but not that rare. ..

[cedar sinew]

we'll get it via rio poneglyphs on laugh tale

Im may give side comments to the gorosei at some point in the future that may hint at the void century

but the bulk of the explanation will be on laugh tale

[pure raven]

Glad to see some love for Genbu (my favourite of the four)

[dark palm]

turtle theory has no grounds

[pure raven]

Yea the turtle's on water

[compact glade]

I must see more imu

99% sure she/he has to do with the void century

[languid rune]

Probably

[compact glade]

Hope imu comes back soon

[tranquil rivet]

I've solved the puzzle. Wano kuni is actually located on the back/shell of a massive turtle much like Zunesha! This is who Momo is hearing

[vestal orbit]

just read the pinned theory about the 5head tribe, now i'm starting to wonder if oda was inspired by those long skulls found in ancient egypt and how people thought those skulls belonged to aliens

[kindred hollow]

noice wtf

[mellow berry]

BB is a vessel for Rocks

[grim oyster]

theory: the yami yami no mi sucks up the essense of a devil fruit inside of it when it is escaping a corpse, which is how he steals devil fruits, he can transfer the essense into other people but they can only have one df since they dont have the yaki yami

[grim oyster]

w h a t

[mellow berry]

BB going to get fooled and betrayed by Rocks, who is pulling strings on him just like Madara did on Obito

[proud tree]

at punk hazard it is already show how to steal a devilfruit after its previous owner died: put a normal fruit/apple near him.

the apple will transform into a devilfruit

[grim oyster]

do we even know if rocks is alive? did he pull a madara and revive himself

[mellow berry]

I am personally not buying the whole BB being final villain

[grim oyster]

its probably im

[mellow berry]

Some people do, I don't really. I feel like there is way too much mystery around Rocks

[grim oyster]

kaido flashback

[proud tree]

we dont know whats possible with kings haki atm. maybe you can dominate a spirit so much that you become part of his personality/ live on.

[mellow berry]

He is just waiting for the perfect moment to strike.

[neon ibex]

This guy

[mellow berry]

Think about it for a moment

[grim oyster]

man went up against roger and garp in his prime my man, rocks aint living after that

if he did live probably lost a leg/arm or two

[proud tree]

He wanted to take out celestial dragons and their slaves.

[mellow berry]

You never know really, and I think that would be the epic "twist" right.

[weak arrow]

no #other-series spoilers

[mellow berry]

Look at BB, he is literally a glass canon

[grim oyster]

not really, the damage is the same, just feels the pain 2x more

he just has to train his pain tolerance

[weak arrow]

BB has tanked 2 whitebeard attacks with double pain. Dude is a tank.

[grizzled fog]

Idk how you can say this after he took a whitebeard punch to the face in Marineford lmao

[mellow berry]

You say that knowing that WB was probably at his very last moments.

[grim oyster]

he was still strong as fuck

[grizzled fog]

Doesn’t mean that punch wasn’t freakishly strong lol, still one of the strongest attacks in the series

[weak arrow]

Yeah, and Whitebeard was still causing island level destruction with his attacks

even in near death

[mellow berry]

I see the whole Orochi / Oden

BB / WB

Rocks / BB

You have the betrayer on the left

This could also be a valid reason for Shanks visit with the WG.

[grizzled fog]

Rocks was stated to be dead

[weak arrow]

you know rocks died when bb was one years old right

[grim oyster]

bc he knew rocks was alive? if anything he would want rocks to betray him since bb is such a big treat rn

[mellow berry]

I would fear Rocks more than BB, had Rocks been alive

Not the other way around

[compact glade]

Hold up

[pure raven]

You're late to the party

Rocks is BBs daddy

[modest skiff]

I think the basic idea that some civilizations chose to isolate themselves using dangerous conditions makes sense. Zou was able to do that on Zunesha. Amazon Lily isolated through other means. Skypea also peaced out.

One thing that would be wild would be if there is a whole city at laugh tale, not just some vault or library or something

A turtle walking to sit in the middle of some crazy water conditions is a good way to isolate. But we don’t really have any reason to think that happened other than Zunesha existing and Momo hearing her. Did Momo talk to Zunesha? I think he did right?

[tranquil rivet]

hey I made the illustration clearer with that image so I claim this theory as mine

[digital epoch]

Putting yourself in the way of what is prophecized to be an unstoppable conqueror would be a good way to kill ones' self. It makes a lot of Kaido's motivations snap into focus....

[digital epoch]

Roger was the kind of man who laughs at death... And what he saw on Laugh Tale made him laugh profusely...

[sonic plaza]

Guys what if Joy Boy told Wano 800 years ago to open its borders when he returns

This would explain why Kaido said that Luffy couldn’t become Joy Boy, b/c he lost and can’t liberate Wano

Thoughts or disagreements?

[pure raven]

Ehmm

[glacial kindle]

i think that ties into the red line destruction theory- he laughed because he knew he couldn't live long enough to see joy boy turn all the blues into one piece, it was probably more like a type of laugh where you know it's hopeless to do anything at the moment

[pure raven]

During his visit to Laugh Tale, Kozuki Oden learned that Wano was once connected with the rest of the world, but became isolated for a certain purpose to be fulfilled and to be protected from a great power. After learning about the true history of the world, Oden reached the conclusion that Wano should be opened to the world once more before Joy Boy returns

[pure raven]

Back then roger had joy boys will...

Joy boy could himself physically be coming, toki could have sent him into the future like she did the scabs

[glacial kindle]

doesn't this emphasize that roger and joy boy are completely different entities?

[pure raven]

Yeah I believe they're different entities

[cedar sinew]

they can share wills and still be different beings

[digital epoch]

a tale full of laughs, and Roger laughed at death... the true history is one full of deaths...

[queen arrow]

i don't think Roger specifically likes to laugh at deaths, he just didn't mind he was going to die and kept his good humor

[forest rampart]

What comes first? Ohara's incident or Roger's execution?

[weak arrow]

the execution

[dire obsidian]

I believe Joy Boy was the title of the man in charge of the D. Clan during the void century. He was killed when the marines were formed so he left the one piece on Laugh Tale for someone to take and reclaim the name of Joy Boy to lean the people with the Will of D. towards what the D Clan original tried to accomplish during the void century

Roger made it, but couldn’t use the one piece because it is Uranus and Roger would’ve also needed Pluton and Neptune to use the one piece/Uranus

Since Roger knew Neptune wasn’t born yet and he was about to die to disease, he realized he was too early

[pure raven]

The marines didn't exist and only came about after the world government was formed with the policing body from every other nation that joined the world government

[dire obsidian]

Yeah, the marines were formed during the void century to stop the D Clan from using the ancient weapons

Which is why the marines now are so scared of someone obtaining the one piece

I also believe the reason every nation joined the world government was to use each kingdom as surveillance to find anyone with the Will of D, if they offer protection via the celestial dragons then the kingdoms would value that freedom over potentially allying with the D clan to use the ancient weapons

Hopefully I explained that well enough. Basically, being a celestial dragon is more beneficial than using the ancient weapons

[pure raven]

I mean I disagree with your theory

The government isn’t hunting the Ds

but that's cause it implies a lot more intelligence than I think the CD's have

They let Garp be a high ranking marine lol

and Jaguar D. Saul before the ohara situation

it is nice to see that the D. Clan transcends just being human

And it’s not like Ds are hiding, they go around saying their initial

just the original meaning is lost

[dire obsidian]

It’s not the celestial dragons know they’re effectively being used, but rather they’re given power as a reason to not want to ally with the D clan at all. And the world government isn’t explicitly hunting D clan, they’re just keeping an eye on them

[glacial kindle]

highly recommend watching mr morj's video on a very old but extremely solid theory of what one piece is- it's basically more of a spoiler than a theory lmao

[pure raven]

I also disagree

[dire obsidian]

That’s cool then, you don’t have to agree

[pure raven]

is it the All blue = one piece = Blowing up the red line/marijoise?

[glacial kindle]

that's the core idea, with a tremendous amount of supplementary evidence

[pure raven]

Part of me thinks that's a great theory

part of me also thinks "I really wanna know what made Roger and the entire crew laugh because Oden has no major frame of reference for what the world politics are actually like"

and a simple plan to blow up the red line I don't think is gut bursting enough to laugh

[dire obsidian]

that’s also part of my theory but aight

[pure raven]

especially since we know at some point Luffy will destroy fishman island

[glacial kindle]

it's an extremely old theory btw

[dire obsidian]

Ye, I know

[pure raven]

Your theory has a lot of intent that is not exactly aligning and a lot of speculation that I don't agree with

[thick sky]

just got a crazy idea after reading your message, what if laughtale is inside a giant whale, larger than Laboon

[glacial kindle]

no, we know what part of laugh tale's geography is like from early chapters i think

[pure raven]

I'm actually quite curious

[thick sky]

yeah it was shown to be covered by fog or smth like that when it was first shown/animated

[glacial kindle]

yea i've got nothing to turn up for

[pure raven]

Where did the prophecy come from?

Like we know it's Time specific

[pastel summit]

the sea kings

[pure raven]

but we don't know how it came to be for everyone else like Rayleigh know

[pastel summit]

ch. 968

we do. sea kings said it, roger and oden heard it w/ voice of all things. then they obviously told others.

[glacial kindle]

yea who exactly has the foresight to predict the rebirth of ancient weapons and important people? and sea kings definitely know, but how?

[pure raven]

So Roger got it from the sea kings, whom told everyone else or are we assuming Joy Boy also knew or was Joy boy's part more "In the future..." and the sea kings just narrowed it down

[pastel summit]

Sea kings being able to tell when Poseidon would be reborn checks out, since Poseidon controls sea kings, so it makes sense that they'd know. Idk how they knew about the "other sovereign", but there could be some deeper relationship there

between D clan and the Sea Kings. one that we don't know yet.

[pure raven]

I used to think the other sovereign was luffy but recently I’m thinking it’s momo

Vagueish question but are we assuming that like... JoyBoy was a D. or are we assuming he just knew and the poneglyphs said the rest once "United"

[pastel summit]

but since they knew when poseidon would be reborn, and they knew someone else would be born who could potentially bring about the dawn and such, they weren't really prophecising that it WOULD happen, merely that an opportunity for it would happen in 25 yrs.

[glacial kindle]

simply not enough info to infer?

[pastel summit]

I mean, I think there's not enough info to determine exactly what is being said, but I think we can tell that it's not really a prophecy. It's more like the sea kings were just saying "hey, in 25 years, there will be another opportunity to fulfil joyboy's promise."

because it requires the power of poseidon. which is only reborn every so often.

[pure raven]

Personally speaking... I think that's plausible but also like... I think Fate plays a bit of a role with the Strawhats development and their positioning in the story and what occurs and what happens. Oda has a bit of a hand when dealing with themes of Fate that for it to not integrate with Luffy whom also can hear the voices alongside Momo feels a bit out there. I don't see Luffy as a Roger figure whom is a top dog but not integral to whatever massive prophecy that is coming down

[pastel summit]

"and surely all will go well this time" kinda implies this has happened before, and it failed. They could just be referring to joyboy himself, and how he failed last time w/ poseidon, but I doubt there's only been 1 instance of poseidon existing since 800 yrs ago.

[pure raven]

Actually that's quite intriguing

the 15 years to grow bit anyway

[pastel summit]

yeah. I assume it's like some kind of maturation period for the power of poseidon to develop.

since shirahoshi couldn't really control it prior.

[forest rampart]

elephant? or zunesha itself??

[grizzled fog]

The shadows? Neither

[forest rampart]

I think it could be Zunesha itself because of the word "I've heard there's an island that wards away any would-be visitors with thick fog and ocean currents."

Then, there's also this "gogogo" "ゴゴゴゴ" sfx but it's just another common sfx

Also "gogogoo" "ゴゴゴゴオ"

[pseudo citrus]

gogogogo is just generic rumbling

[forest rampart]

yeah

[grizzled fog]

And how do you propose Zunesha made it over the redline without being discovered or something

[forest rampart]

Hm.. I thought it was Zunesha but maybe it's another elephant then. Idk

[grizzled fog]

Why does it have to be an elephant at all?

[forest rampart]

Because it would be cool if there's another elephant like Zunesha
But really, I can accept anything as long as it makes sense.
Could be the continent puller oars since the size would fit the his title rather than the TB Oars ..unless they're extinct

[grizzled fog]

Highly doubt we’ll have get an explanation for those creatures anyway

[dusk willow]

damn bro so negative shill out

[grizzled fog]

? It’s true lmao, they were added to emphasize the atmosphere and vibe of the Florian triangle, it’s not relevant and I doubt oda even has an answer in mind lol

[forest rampart]

Maybe.. like there's also mysteries with nightless island (Enies Lobby) and its endless waterfall

[ancient vault]

i remember a theory about it wait

https://thrillerbark.com/threads/the-florian-triangle-moria-sky-island-seastone-king.1655/

[pure raven]

I want a One Piece where, Buggy gives his Nose to a Young Ussop.

[livid root]

Do you think urouge save of luffy because all the supernova in onigishima and only urouge doesn't

[outer locust]

“And only urouge doesn’t”

[livid root]

No just he but you understood what I wanna saying

[drowsy cosmos]

If Kaido's and Momo's DF are not 1:1 copies I have a theory: Kaido's DF brings destructive nature tornados, galeforce winds, thunderstorms etc... I would not be surprised if Momo's restored nature bringing back the prosperity of Wano. What I predict is when Onigashima falls a great calamity will happen causing further destruction to the land and Luffy vs Kaido's final battle will span all over Wano and in its wake the factories will be destroyed. Momo and Tama's endgame is going to be the prosperity they bring to Wano. Another theory that I have is Momo will also "fall" into the ocean and seeing the threat Onigashima looms over Wano his DF's true powers will awaken and be there with Luffy in the final battle

[outer locust]

Ya

[outer locust]

Wow great theory

[sacred hawk]

I have a theory about how the Beasts Pirates were founded

[drowsy cosmos]

The growth of Momo is amazing

[sacred hawk]

Firstly, we know Queen was probably part of Vegapunk's research team, since he knows Judge. And since King is part of an extinct race, he'd be considered a valuable test subject by the government

So what happens is that, after the defeat of the Rocks Pirates at God Valley, most of the main members were able to escape. However, a young Kaido wasn't so lucky. He got captured by the marines and got sent to Punk Hazard

[pure raven]

I'm actually super super super intrigued to see how Bonney and Urogue play into Luffy's story

[drowsy cosmos]

Could be possible because according to BM he recently acquired his DF

[livid root]

Ya me too

[sacred hawk]

There, he met King and Queen (and possibly Yamato's mother). Since Queen would have been part of the research staff, he could have freed Kaido and the rest. They then would have escaped Punk Hazard together and founded the Beasts Pirates, with King, Queen, and Yamato's mother as the original three calamities.

[pure raven]

I just want to see Luffy interacting with the revolutionaries

[sacred hawk]

Yep. And I think this is when Vegapunk tried to replicate Kaido's devil fruit, since it had to have happened after God Valley.

[pure raven]

Tbh it's really a bummer that like we don't ever see Robin telling Luffy about literally anything cause Oda doesn't do character interactions like that which is such a bummer

[livid root]

Urouge and Booney can save of luffy i think because all the supernove there out from blackbeard

[drowsy cosmos]

Luffy doesnt really care post-Zou he was told Baltigo was destroyed and he didnt mind much @pure raven

If the end of the act is coming soon I can feel Kaido's backstory coming really soon

Yamato and Kaido need to be fleshed out

It's like if never learned BM backstory we wouldn't know how batshit crazy she is... Kaido needs to be defined more

[livid root]

In my opinion, Oda wants us to forget Urouge and Bonnie and to concentrate on the prominent supernovae who are currently in Onigshima so that he can add Bonnie and Urouge to the very tension of the story.

[grizzled fog]

Why would either be in Onigashima?

[cedar sinew]

Bonney is related to Kuma and therefore the revos so she'll get focus there.
Urouge is the only supernova who hasn't been explored yet so he'll be a major character in the next arc if I had to guess

but none of them are coming to Wano because it's already extremely supernova focused. And Oda doesn't throw in random characters like that

[languid dock]

The only reason he had the lowest bounty pre-timeskip is because he was from sky island, right?

[grizzled fog]

I’m riding with shim’s urouge theory currently

[cedar sinew]

no

[languid dock]

Wait what

[grizzled fog]

Idk why that would have any bearing on it, it’s more likely that he was just a chill dude that didn’t cause much trouble

[cedar sinew]

why'd that have anything to do with his bounty?

[languid dock]

a monk, after all

[languid dock]

Idk it made him seem like the weakest, but i think theres more to him than meets the eye

[cedar sinew]

someone has to have the lowest Bounty

but he's definitely not weak. Took out a sweet commander

[languid dock]

His was VERY low

[languid dock]

exactly

[grizzled fog]

I highly doubt he was the weakest, but I think it makes sense for him to have a low bounty

[cedar sinew]

idk I didn't think too much of it

[languid dock]

Meh it just made it seem like he wld have a larger role later down the line

[cedar sinew]

it's probably way higher now anyways

[languid dock]

yea tru, 400-500 id say

[junior cape]

Let's recap 1014:
Luffy gets tossed into the sea, confirmed, and Kaido is sad that he couldn't put up a truly worthy challenge
Luffy's defeat gets broadcast across the island, everyone keeps fighting because they believe he'll somehow show up and save the day again
Momo has another freakout, some new force is going to enter the fray soon
Chopper vs Queen is going VERY BADLY, with Chopper running out of time with little hope in sight, and we learn Ceasar revamped his rumble ball formula
Kiku and Kin'e'mon show up at Momo's side only for Kiku to get killed by Kanjuro
Kin'e'mon puts down Kanjuro properly this time, like the traitorous trash he is
Finally, chapter ends with Momo running away from Kaido where Kin'e'mon makes his last stand, only to get smashed
Onigashima is at the mainland now...

Personally, what I'm most concerned with is whatever Momo was talking to halfway through, as that could very likely decide the fate of the battle and all of Wano. If it's some legendary animal said to be a guardian of Wano, that'll make sense, like maybe he can control the giant fish of the waterfall to come save Luffy, or maybe there's an ancient sea serpent from the void century lurking beneath the waters, asking if it can come out and save the day. Whatever it is, we know it'll at the very least cause mass confusion amongst all the fighters, as well as anyone on the Wano mainland who sees it.
Next up, all the Red Scabbards are getting DELETED, with Kiku either dead or bleeding out in front of Kaido, Kin'e'mon almost certainly dead from a close-range Kaido smash, Ashura bit the dust 2 chapters ago, and I doubt the rest are doing well. However, they may be able to sway the main fights in the favor of the samurai forces, giving them the upper hand while waiting for Luffy to get back somehow.
Finally, Chopper. Ceasar said he could extend the Rumble Ball effects to 30 minutes, up from 3, but with added risks. We don't know what these risks could be, but they're gonna be rough.

Overall, those three things at the bottom are what I think will be the big factors in the next 3 chapters. Momo being the greatest is because we KNOW he has weird powers and connections with ancient beasts. Whatever he does, the impact will be big, flashy, and cause mass chaos. The Scabbards are next because they are a rallying spirit; as long as even one of them stands and fights, the main forces have hope, which will force the fight longer and give them more chances of success. Lastly, Chopper will be big because of the ambiguity. If he fails to put Queen down for good in the next """10 minutes""", he's basically guaranteed screwed unless the side effects of the Rumble Ball 2.0 aid him in some way. However, depending on what they are, it might be worthwhile for him to play a game of attrition with Queen by force-feeding him a couple RB2's and having him go berserk, seeing as we know Queen hasn't found any secondary transformations, but rather modifies his current ones with his cybernetics.

Also, I say that these will occur in the next 3 chapters because TIME IS RUNNING OUT, and things are moving fast in the raid. A lot is going to happen in a short amount of time that won't fit into one chapter nicely, and Oda will want to expand on a few things as we go.

[drowsy cosmos]

Another big thing is BM remaining crew have not joined the fight yet

[snow cloak]

Kizaru will come and he will beat the shit out of two yonkou and 5 supernovas

[junior cape]

Now, finally, I will speculate on what the RB2's new side-effects will be.
We know that the old RB (pre-timeskip) caused instability the more you used it, making your transformations less likely to come by choice and more by chance after the first rumble. The second rumble basically removed all semblance of choice in the matter. The third made Chopper go berserk in his monster point, which also caused paralysis for several hours and short-term memory loss after it wore off. Post-timeskip, the RB never got used more than once in any scenario. However, Chopper at that point only needed it to access Monster point on demand, which he could now control, but still affected him with paralysis. At this point, all other forms were available for Chopper to use with basically no downside. HOWEVER, we know that being biologically able to handle it isn't everything, as Franky once tried to use Monster point in Chopper's body, and immediately went berserk, showing that there is a large psychological portion to the transformation.

Based on all this, we now can look at the new RB2 with some expectations. Since the previous time limit was 3 minutes, but is now 30, we can expect any side effects to have a factor of magnitude more intensity. I'm talking complete loss of movement for the rest of the raid, memory loss for a long time, and potential complete loss of transformation for an unknown amount of time. This could be important because if this happens to be the case, Chopper can force-feed one to Queen, have him go berserk, and then deal with him after he goes out.

Because remember, VERY FEW Zoan types as of this point in the story have moved beyond their initial 3 forms. You might think Lucci and Kaku did it, but they just found ways to modify their transformations like Queen, as opposed to completely new transformations.

As such, Queen would have no idea how to handle it, and would potentially blow himself up.

Feel free to discuss

[drowsy cosmos]

But how would Queen interact with the RB we havent seen anyone else interact with it

[terse plover]

This could also mean zoro and sanji go to King, chopper somehow takes down Queen and is out for the rest of the battle himself. Also meaning Law and Kidd can fight against Kaidou. Also maybe a Yamato appearance infront of kaidou MAYBE triggering a backstory when they meet again

[drowsy cosmos]

But where will BM go she's a major threat

[terse plover]

oops

i meant kidd and law vs BM, sorry about that

[drowsy cosmos]

this is probably next chapter

[terse plover]

yeah, i think next chapter might be a bunch of different things together

[drowsy cosmos]

but Sanji 1v1 Queen maybe

[terse plover]

I have no idea how long this act is going to be dragged out for because it has been a LONG time, and supposedly, the next act is supposed to be an even more extreme battle/event occuring

[drowsy cosmos]

its funny Queen is an Okama and if it is Sanji vs Queen it was fated

[terse plover]

Probably dealing with the lurking legend or a BB/CP0/Marines intervention

[drowsy cosmos]

The end is coming soon for this Act

[terse plover]

That would make a lot of sense, but then I dont know how Zoro would be able to fight king alone after his injuries

[drowsy cosmos]

Marco heal hax probably

[terse plover]

But i really do like the idea of Okama vs Sanji because of his time there at the timeskip

[drowsy cosmos]

was Oda referring to the current era or the past if it is former we got Oden

[terse plover]

That actually makes sense tbh, Zoro is a swordsman and Marco is a phoenix, King is a "combination" of the two. He has a sword and can fly like a phoenix, so the fight could be like that as well

[grizzled fog]

Queen doesn’t seem to be an okama at all

[grizzled fog]

Marco can’t put him into good condition, his healing powers have a very small effect on others

[drowsy cosmos]

good enough condition to fight King, Zoro is a tank

[grizzled fog]

You really think King is so weak that a badly nerfed zoro is enough to win?

[drowsy cosmos]

I cant wait for the Act to end because the snippets Oda has been feeding us outside of Wano

[grizzled fog]

That reflects pretty horribly on the calamities if a zoro that’s not even half strength can win lol

[drowsy cosmos]

we still havent seen Zoro go all out other than vs a Yonko

[terse plover]

yeah, the strawhats haven't really had HUGE fights yet and Oda seems to be starting the fights for every major player in the arc rn. Yamato was going up to Kaidou, Nami's fight, Law and Kidd vs BM, Sanji/chopper for Queen, zoro/marco for king?

They all need fights right now, especially zoro and sanji

[grizzled fog]

You really think zoro is that much stronger?

[drowsy cosmos]

He may be we don't know until any confirmation

[grizzled fog]

Zoro’s already accomplished a feat arguably greater than soloing a calamity, don’t hold out on a major fight for him

[drowsy cosmos]

I kinda hated BM for oneshotting Ulti, Nami vs Ulti wouldve been intresting

[weary cliff]

It probably isn't anything deeper than a reference to the fact that he's a monk. 108 is a holy number. 108 beads on a mala, 108 earthly desires, etc

[terse plover]

Zoro somehow has to become the world's strongest swordsman by the end of the series. So he kinda does need major power ups. I don't know if he can take a 1v1 against King, but with someone else, 100% he's gotta win

[languid dock]

oh fr, i didnt know that

[grizzled fog]

Zoro soloing King can be a conversation when he doesn’t have dozens of broken bones

[languid dock]

Zoro might solo king if he heals

[pastel summit]

it really wouldn't have. Nami didn't have the power to beat her, and if Ulti really got serious, she could outspeed those techniques, as we saw when she avoided Nami's tornado attack.

[terse plover]

The arc is revolved around Samurai so it would suck not really seeing Zoro do any more in the arc. Especially after seeing Enma and black blade introduction

[drowsy cosmos]

If Zoro fights King in his condition and wins thats an achievement on his own

[grizzled fog]

Mainly just makes the calamities look pathetic

[languid dock]

that would be sick tbh

[terse plover]

Yeah, hopefully Zeus isnt actually dead. Because Nami just would just get hard nerfed then. She wouldn't be able to hold up a fight against anyone

[languid dock]

This is kind of zoro’s arc to shine, so he shld do way more

[grizzled fog]

Zoro can make enma a black blade against orochi or something, but other than that he’s already done some incredible stuff this arc, just be satisfied, he’s done a lot

[pastel summit]

he's not fighting orochi either

[drowsy cosmos]

I want Orochi vs Momo

[grizzled fog]

He’s already shined immensely.
-awakened coc
-blocked the strongest attack in the series for a moment
-became the second person in history to scar Kaido

Sooooooo little amiright

[languid dock]

i want him to defeat someone big

[terse plover]

He hasn't had a fight of his own, I doubt Oda would make an arc about SAMURAI and then not make Zoro an important player. There were a lot of hints to Zoro getting the black blade and foreshadowing like Zoro missing his Enma shot against Kaidou. There might be a reappearance of him fighting and actually landing the shot against King, maybe not Kaidou, but King would make sense.

[languid dock]

is that too much to ask for? He might pull a Daz Bonez

[pastel summit]

Yes.

[languid dock]

exactly,

[pastel summit]

He's already scarred kaido, and he's no longer able to fight. He's not going to fight anyone else.

[grizzled fog]

He’s already been an important player dude. Zoro can make enma black against orochi or something lol

[pastel summit]

Zoro has already been an important player. He doesn't need a 1v1 to do something important. He's already done that.

[drowsy cosmos]

I'm not downplaying Zoro but he needs a real opponent post timeskip last one was Kaku, Daz Bones??

[grizzled fog]

Kinda crazy that zoro has done this much crazy stuff and people are gonna end up calling him underwhelming for not soloing a calamity lol

[pastel summit]

He doesn't need a 1v1 to do something important. He doesn't need a 1v1 opponent.

[drowsy cosmos]

He hasnt struggled yet

[languid dock]

we know, we know

[pastel summit]

Not even gonna touch this one.

[grizzled fog]

[languid dock]

But i would really enjoy a fight where he actually struggles, on the brink of death, and then claims victory

[pastel summit]

You can try and get through to him vem, but I'm giving up on him.

No point arguing with "he hasn't struggled yet"

not even a theory anymore, it's just bad reading comprehension that belongs in #manga

[drowsy cosmos]

Hody, The Octopus Guy, Monet, Pica were all relatively simple for him

[languid dock]

yep

Pica’s fight was laughable

Its almost like Oda purposely gave him easy fights to build up for something big

Which either already happened, or its gonna happen soon

[winged cloud]

the easy fights were prob because they was already too much going in dressrosa

[terse plover]

Would you be satisfied with Zoro cutting Orochi and getting a black blade? That seems a little wack to me. Him getting a black blade would show his improvement as a swordsman, one step closer to becoming world's best swordsman. There's no way he wont have another major impact on the arc because Sanji was last arc and he got a powerup. Zoro hasn't showed his true capabilities except for his feats against Kaidou/Big Mom and that was really short. Also, Law just told Sanji to put him on a splint. That either means he isn't as weakened as we think he is OR doesn't need immediate medical attention. He has to fight someone on his level. Just blocking the Yonko attack and then being out for the rest of the arc is not enough imo.

[drowsy cosmos]

If anything Zoro's fight is "struggle" fight is with King albeit he will be nerfed from injuries like back in Sabody...

[worn eagle]

heeeey

[drowsy cosmos]

I think Orochi is reserved for Momo

[winged cloud]

Orochi will die at zoros hands or momo

[worn eagle]

can i throw a theory at you guys?

[languid dock]

thats what im saying

[grizzled fog]

People already call the calamities disappointing, I can’t imagine how pathetically weak King would seem if zoro beat one now

[pastel summit]

Do you not think being the 2nd person in history to ever scar Kaido is not significant? It's not a major impact?

[languid dock]

bet

[languid dock]

But what did that scar do?

Sure, zoro proved his strength. But it didnt do anything to progress the story

[worn eagle]

blackbeard is going to use morias powers to put a shadow in gol d rogers body to bring it back to life

[pastel summit]

So you don't think it's significant that he was able to do it?

[worn eagle]

what you think? too much naruto in it?

[terse plover]

Kaidou is still up and running around, he still managed to beat luffy without trouble right after, THEN smashed Kinemon.

[languid dock]

it IS significant, yes, but if thats all zoro is going to do, then its a huge let-down

[pastel summit]

You think being able to scar Kaido means it did nothing to him?

[drowsy cosmos]

A little too much if anything it will be Xebec

[languid dock]

@pastel summit Im saying that i feel like zoro is going to do more

[grizzled fog]

Yea no shit he’s the strongest creature for a reason, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t badly injured, that scar will be a major component to his downfall

I can’t imagine having such stupid high expectations that “just” scarring kaido is a letdown

[edgy anchor]

maybe zoro will get back and one shot kaido while carrying sanji

[languid dock]

what

[pastel summit]

Well then I think your expectations are way too large if you think tanking BM+Kaido's strongest combo attack, THEN scarring Kaido is a let down. You expect him to survive everything thrown at him, then beat everyone in his way, without any consequence, he just gets up because "omg zoro badass so cool"

[edgy anchor]

mb maybe zoro needs to one shot kaido and big mom

[languid dock]

“i feel like Zoro is going to do more”

[pastel summit]

one shots both of them with the same attack

[languid dock]

its just a thought

[pure raven]

zoro can't be finished... his fights are usually short though... it's usually the other guy saying that zoro can't get through their defenses, then zoro gets through their defenses.... they'll fit something in even though I do think the arc is about to hit act 4 and is approaching the end

[pastel summit]

is scarring kaido not getting through his defences?? Idk what to say to this convo man.

[drowsy cosmos]

Zoro needs an opponent we are saying how anticlimatic would it be if Zoro doesnt get an opponent in Wano after being KOed by the Yonkos

[terse plover]

So you think Zoro is out for the rest of the arc? Or out until he slays orochi and then boom black blade. I really doubt Oda is going to not do anything else with Zoro's SWORDSMAN SKILLS for the rest of the arc. But I am not disagreeing with the possibility that he could be out for a while. I am just explaining to you from all the foreshadowing Oda has done and all of Zoro's previous actions that I personally think that he will have more of an impact on this arc.

[pastel summit]

You feel like zoro is going to beat King. not just "do more", you're expecting him to beat one of the strongest people remaining, while he's in a state in which he cannot move his own body.

[languid dock]

yep

[pure raven]

wano is too important for zoro for him to be out the rest of the way

[languid dock]

thats what im saying

[grizzled fog]

He’s not out for the arc, but he’s not doing anything more significant than fighting orochi. He’s certainly soloing a strong opponent like a calamity lol

[pastel summit]

The scar is 100% going to be relevant.

[languid dock]

Its basically his time to shine, it would he disappointing if he doesnt at LEAST get one more fight

[pastel summit]

He is definitely out for the arc. He cannot move his own body.

[pure raven]

heck zoro may cut kaido again... or he may cut someone else... but he will cut someone

[languid dock]

We’ll just have to wait and see

[pastel summit]

Unless the raid fails and they come back in 2 weeks, I doubt Zoro is moving any time soon.

[languid dock]

anyway imma head out, got an exam

[pure raven]

luffy going in the sea ended any chance of the raid failing imo

[drowsy cosmos]

Why would Zoro fight Orochi? If anything Zoro malice just magnified Denjiro's towards Orochi

[pure raven]

the energy of the arc right now feels like its approaching the end

[icy sapphire]

True

[pure raven]

luffy is about to make his comeback

[icy sapphire]

Luffy would leave for a bit and come back

[grizzled fog]

Idk what you mean why. Zoro has outright expressed his hatred of orochi before and desire to kill him

[pastel summit]

Zoro is the first person who is going to push his own body to its limits. If he could move and fight, he would fight. Instead, he stayed there, lying still while Sanji of all people was helping wrap his bandages. Sanji would be the last person Zoro would show weakness in front of. If that isn't telling to you, idk what is.

[drowsy cosmos]

Luffy is dead.Time for Two Piece starring Katakuri

[pure raven]

he'll probably take an episode or two and figure things out and then he'll come back and beat kaido

[icy sapphire]

It depends who saves him tbh

[pure raven]

yea... it could be longer

could be like a mini plot within the arc

but he'll eventually get back to kaido and beat him next go around

[drowsy cosmos]

On reread Wano is going to hit harder imo week to week suspense sometimes strains the narrative

[terse plover]

He isn't going to solo a calamity probably. I agree his state is not good enough to do anything on his own. He will get the help from someone. Chopper is on Queen right now. Remember that line where Marco says something about taking on two calamities at once? He will probably be one of the people helping fight. Zoro has to fight again, EVEN IF IT IS NOT SOON, he has to fight a calamity to show his strength. Zoro scarring Kaidou was an amazing feat, but it doesn't display his strength relative to another character of the story. We need to see how he stacks up against some of the strongest in the series 1v1 or 1v2 like King. I agree that Orochi might be one of Zoro's fights, but I doubt it would be challenging for Zoro to take him down. He needs an actual fight. Just like Sanji does. Sanji cant just beat page 1 and be saved by Robin during the Black Maria capture. Those two need to show their strength one more time in the arc against someone close to their strength.

[icy sapphire]

I don’t think he will 1v1 kaido next round

He’s gonna need help

[dark palm]

Zoro scarring Kaidou was an amazing feat, but it doesn't display his strength relative to another character of the story.
what does this even mean?

how does it not?

[pastel summit]

Zoro doesn't have to fight again. It does display strength relative to other characters. He's the 2nd character in history to ever scar him. Idk what you even mean.

[grizzled fog]

Zoro scarred kaido when the scabbards couldn’t, seems good enough to me

[pure raven]

at this point, if luffy doesn't 1v1 kaido it'd be disappointing.. unless kaido had some special ability that prevents 1v1 from occurring

[drowsy cosmos]

We have Law/Marco/Chopper in the same place surely one of them will help heal Zoro

[dark palm]

do you really need that sort of definitive "proof" that comes from a 1v1 to formulate your opinion on a "power-level"?

[icy sapphire]

Everyone stated that “ kaido in a 1v1 wins “

[grizzled fog]

Shame none of them can do much for zoro