manga-theories

[noble fractal]

Giant Elephant comes to shit or something, ez

[pallid scaffold]

One Piece is returning the despair feeling from Marineford, and that War was considered a loss for the world as a whole. Unless Oda is about to have Kaidos army slowly beat down the Alliance and initiate Sabaody Boogaloo Pt. 2, the Straw Hats are going to win

But with how it’s looking, they’re going to need a massive power up or reinforcements to arrive

But the Revolutionary Army and the Navy are dealing with the fallout of the Reverie, and the Grand Fleet isn’t nearly enough to take on Kaido, there’s only a couple options for our crew

[vagrant gust]

How do the currents surrounding Wano support that theory?

[pallid scaffold]

1.) Shanks.
2.) Sea Kings
3.) Ancient Weapon reveal

There’s nobody else who can turn the tides of the Alliance, and I don’t think Shanks is going to appear yet so we might get a Uranus reveal.

[vagrant gust]

Wouldn't Momo have recognized it?

[pallid scaffold]

It’s been long overdue considering that Poseidon and Pluton have long been revealed already

[noble fractal]

True, Momo should've recognized it, my bad

[brazen acorn]

well the fact that nobody from the current arc who is around seems possible to save luffy, Zunesha even if it does come I still don't see how it can save luffy cause it's too massive, the fact that Momo got a headache gives the idea that he heard a strong voice or something. So I don't see who else it can be. I know I'm probably wrong But I'm trying to figure shit out...

[vagrant gust]

Is there any proof that there are sea kings swimming around Wano?

It does sound very plausible due to his headaches, but like, Wano is unstable.

[brazen acorn]

No

idk It seems far fetched that it will happen but ... What else can it be? the combination that will explain how luffy gets saved and why momo gets his headache. Unless it's some kind of power that Momo awakens now that he knows some truth about himself. Since he says "I can't afford to die"

But I doubt he just awakens some kind of crazy power like that.

[dark wyvern]

What just happened in this chapter I can't even comprehend

OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[brazen acorn]

Luffy lost a crushing defeat, Momo finds out something important about him, everyone seems to be losing in a way or still fighting

[dark wyvern]

Just crazy 😨😰

[dark wyvern]

I din't mean it the literal sense I am taking about Kaido telling you couldn't be Joy Boy either

[brazen acorn]

then momo gets a headache and kiku dies, bitch also dies, and kinemon gets crushed by Kaido's damaged weapon

jesus that happened too I forgot already

[dark wyvern]

I was about to faint from excitement when I saw that

[brazen acorn]

I'm kinda trying to put it down to comprehend all that happened too....

[little mortar]

Zou has coming, it's his time after the long walk and waited to save the Joyboy.

[brazen acorn]

But how will Zunesha save Luffy?

[pallid scaffold]

Zunesha won’t do anything to Kaido

[vagrant gust]

I think either Momo will return to his true form, Joy Boy will save Luffy, or Luffy will become Joy Boy. I think this is the appointed time Oda talked about.

[pallid scaffold]

Whatever help is coming, it has to be enough to deal with Kaido and the rest of his army

[brazen acorn]

I mean it's possible, but also I think Kaido can just destroy the poor elephant easily if he wants to?

[dark wyvern]

Man Kaido knows way to much

[pallid scaffold]

And Zunesha is not nearly enough for Kaido

[dark wyvern]

who knows if Zunesha is waking to wano

[vagrant gust]

He's an emperor that used to be in the crew of the Rock's. Why would he not know this stuff? Perhaps the only surprising thing is he knows JoyBoy despite not getting to the One Piece.

[pallid scaffold]

Zunesha isn’t coming and even if he did he won’t be able to do anything important

[brazen acorn]

I don't think Zunesha can do anything even if it goes to Wano?

[vagrant gust]

I read that it could block the flying Island from falling/crashing AND/OR they get onto Zunesha before the island falls.

[dark wyvern]

Wait Luffy fell near Wano so doesn't it mean that he ends up in the beach!!

[brazen acorn]

We saw how easily it was heavily damaged from cannonballs by Jack

[brazen acorn]

oh that's true it could do that.

[remote flicker]

thats right i guess

luffy is just dead again hahahaha

but kaido said that his methode left a lot to be desired

[brazen acorn]

Well something big is coming regardless. Whether it is Zunesha, Sea kings or something else. It's likely that something is coming.

[dark wyvern]

I think luffy will end up in the beach, that part was not shown just for fun, and I also think Sabo is coming seeing that his brother's vivre card is burning !

[remote flicker]

so heres sth missing

[vagrant gust]

I still lean heavily on Luffy will be saved by JoyBoy (who is Momo) or SeaKings will save Luffy (and Luffy is JoyBoy)

[dark wyvern]

I think Momo might be the Uranus

[remote flicker]

i got a theory

[brazen acorn]

I'm not sure about that joyboy theory but it might be it

[dark wyvern]

Sabo is definitely coming doubt!!

Luffy's vivre card might be burning and I think that's how the grand fleet will know that they are needed

[brazen acorn]

Sabo might even be dead afawk

[vagrant gust]

Didn't Oden say JoyBoy will one day come to Wano and that Wano will open up when he does? Might make sense in that Luffy comes to Wano again ig

[remote flicker]

so like katakuri isnt in wano probably in wci maybe blackbeard goes there to steal the road porneglyph and capture katakuri and bring him to the world government same like sabo and then big mom and luffy team up to save them

[vagrant gust]

Sabo would be lucky to be alive. I really really doubt he comes.

[dark wyvern]

Not Sabo but what about the Grand Fleet

[vagrant gust]

This sounds like pulp fiction lol I really doubt this happens

[brazen acorn]

I mean, I do think that Sabo is alive, but probably nowhere near Wano rn

[remote flicker]

yeah ik but would be surprising

[vagrant gust]

1. Big Mom doesn't care about Katakuri that much 2) It would be cheesy for Luffy to save Sabo like Ace

[remote flicker]

or dragon comes and after fighting again kaido they go saving sabo

[vagrant gust]

True, we haven't heard of them in a while. They probably don't have the time to get to Wano though.

[brazen acorn]

BM seems like someone who could be potentially someone that could be a non evil person, in the sense that she wants a big family and good food. But I don't see her allying herself with Luffy.

[vagrant gust]

But she doesn't care about that. Her desire to control the Giant army, and the way she treated her children, indicates she is not a Whitebeard like figure.

Also what she did to Zeus.

[brazen acorn]

very true

[remote flicker]

for a moment i thought that this is the real oden

[brazen acorn]

but in the page before that we see kanjuro sneaking up

[pallid scaffold]

ANCIENT WEAPON REVEAL???

[remote flicker]

yeah but if we didnt saw that i would really think that he's the real one

[vagrant gust]

I just saw something very cool let me show

[pallid scaffold]

Uranus time baby it’s the only thing can turn the tides for Straw Hats right now

[pure raven]

i think the raid will fai

fail*

[pallid scaffold]

The Raid can’t fail right bow

[brazen acorn]

we see Luffy going deeper so I doubt he will be at the beach*

[remote flicker]

genjutsu??? xD

[pallid scaffold]

If Oda is going to have Kaido win, then it’ll be Wano Prison Pt. 2, or we might see some Straw Hat fatalities

[remote flicker]

hmm so that means someone will save him

[pallid scaffold]

But I don’t think that’s going to happen, there has to be some kind of power up alongside whatever reveal Oda has in store

[remote flicker]

the tragedy at the end of act 3

maybe kikus death or sth with luffy

[lime python]

we saw a similar panel the first time luffy fell in the water and washed up on shore

[vagrant gust]

Why has no one mentioned the Noah? It could technically save Luffy due to the promise that JoyBoy would be protected as long as JoyBoy fulfilled his promise (freeing the fishman)

[pure raven]

lol yea ig youre right

[vagrant gust]

help this is such a good idea let me make a proper theory 🏃‍♂️ the only problem is how the Noah would get to Wano

[remote flicker]

you are right

i am so hyped

[pallid scaffold]

Noah and Zunesha are great theories, but they can’t do anything during the battle. Zunesha has the city of Minks on its back and Noah was damaged last time we saw it

[lucid grail]

I don't know, after reading the newest chapter it kinda feels like momonosuke will be the next joy boy

[brazen acorn]

I don't think Noah will be moved like that just to save Luffy. I read a theory many years ago, like back in 2014 or sth, saying that When the time comes, Luffy will use whichever weapon it is that destroys stuff (the one that needs to be built) to destroy Reverse mountain and Mary Geoise, and since Fishman Island is directly bellow Mary Geoise, it will also be destroyed, so all people who live in the Fishman Island will move to the Noah and Shirahoshi will tell the Sea Kings to move the Noah.

[lucid grail]

The thing with his headaches may be a foreshadoeing, being able to control the elephant, saying that he absolutely can't die

[brazen acorn]

Only way Noah would be able to move is if Shirahoshi commands them to move it.

[vagrant gust]

I see. Didn't Oda confirm that theory to be fake?

[brazen acorn]

I don't know about that, never saw something like that

[vagrant gust]

This theory came from Japan. I read about it too. Oda was asked if any theory came close to guessing the ending, and he said no.

Though it does make a lot of sense and is lore-wise very aesthetically pleasing since it would fulfill Sanji's dream of the all blue

1 stone and 9 birds

[brazen acorn]

it fulfills every strawhat's dream essentially

idk

[torn mantle]

What if momonosuke is an ancient weapon as well, and his headache comes from talking to seakings so that they bring luffy's up from the deep water?

[pallid scaffold]

I’m telling you, there’s only one option for the Straw Hats to come out of this alive and win, and that’s the reveal of Uranus. And I feel like Uranus is connected to Kaidos Fruit and the Sea Kings in some way.

[brazen acorn]

it's been mentioned, and it's a possibility, not that momo is a weapon but that sea kings might come to save luffy

[pallid scaffold]

There’s nobody else besides Shanks who can really turn the tide around for the Alliance, because they’re biggest obstacles after Kaido is still Big Mom

And even if she runs with her whole crew, that won’t happen unless Kaido is 100% defeated. Which still leaves the rest of Kaidos army.

Zoro is out, Kid and Killer are fighting Big Mom, Law is hurt, Jinbei and Frank are the only Straw Hats who are relatively unscathed, Marcos is getting tired, Sanji is Sanji. I mean it makes sense

[brazen acorn]

I absolutely don't think Oda will Throw Shanks in to win Luffy's battle for him.

Kid seems to be able to hold BM for now

[pallid scaffold]

Exactly, and the Revolutionary Army and Navy are wrapped up with the fallout of the Reverie, the Grand Fleet would help but not nearly enough, and with the very nature of the Void Century tied to Wano and Joy Boy, it stands to reason that their reveal will be connected to Uranus somehow.

Considering that Uranus is practically non existent so far, we know more about Joy Boy than it, and I think that’s because They’re connected in some way

[uneven meteor]

Like other arcs ma 80 or 100 chapters hunxa if raid fail the wano ar chapters will be longer than any other arcs

[brazen acorn]

Ok focusing on what we know

The fact that momo can hear the voices doesn't mean he is Pluto. Since Oden could also hear the voices. And I doubt 2 weapons can exist at the same time or that when one dies it goes to their son.

I don't remember if Oden heard Zunesha but maybe the fact that momo could command it, means that be really is Pluto and that is what he read that made him say that he can't afford to die.

For sea kings to appear out of the blue (heh) would require someone to inform them that they are needed. Unless ofc somehow they were near wano anyway and they sense or heard luffy's conqueror's.

Luffy just ending up at the beach feels off since he is needed to win the entire battle and with him being unconscious without someone to help him to his senses he would lay there for hours and hours.

[fair peak]

What about the weird octopus at the start of the Wano arc? Is it just a one time exposure or it'll probably have a role later on like saving luffy or what or is this thought just seems stupid haha

[brazen acorn]

Joyboy is probably indeed Luffy whatever that means

[brazen acorn]

What octopus?

[fair peak]

this one

[brazen acorn]

I honestly don't remember it ... When did it show up

[weary cliff]

The very first chapter of wano

[viral heron]

What about asspull coc haki blooming and splitting the sea so luffy wont drown xD 😄 🤔

[normal plume]

It’s going to be so embarrassing for Kaidou when Luffy comes back

ohh whole bunch of new emojis

Jimbei will get him I suppose or an unlikely source now 🤔

[fair peak]

when they were entering wano, the other crewmembers were brought by sanji and luffy was left with going merry and that octopus was clinging to him and the clip changed to luffy drowning

[wispy escarp]

going merry

[viral heron]

next chapter Jimbei KOing whos who and jumping to the ocean xD

[normal plume]

So how does Kaidou know of Joyboy? Did he read Odens logs?

[wispy escarp]

He said you can’t be Joy Boy either

[viral heron]

probably from Rocks 🤔

[normal plume]

Thanks to Kaidou broadcasting Luffy’s location haha

Yes but Rocks was just a really strong pirate crew, the truth behind Joyboy is likely at Laughtale right and only Roger was able to get there

[weary cliff]

The Polar Tang should also be in the water. They could happen to find him, especially if anyone on board has decent observation

[normal plume]

Unless it’s also mentioned on the rio poneglyph which is on the last island of the NW, separate of Laughtale

[weary cliff]

Joyboy was named in FMI. It's not just LT where you can hear about him

[normal plume]

Yes you can learn about him from other poneglyphs mention but about future prophecy that key information I’m saying is likely only at Laughtale

Either perhaps not or Kaidou read Odens logs

He could’ve overheard from another source too I suppose mm

[wispy escarp]

I mean what about Yamato saying something about it, she literally identifies as Oden

[normal plume]

Yamatos read his logs right

[wispy escarp]

Yeah Yamato practically memorized it

[normal plume]

I wonder what it says that Mono needs to tell everyone and which gives him the determination to survive finally

[pure raven]

I got 10 bucks on whoever is talking to momonosuke will safe luffy

Maybe the koi fishes of wano?

[normal plume]

It’s the narrative of her life afterall

[pure raven]

Or maybe the whole island of zou is coming?

[normal plume]

Are there any sea kings around Onigashima?

[warm field]

It's Gin

[normal plume]

The sea kings saving Luffy would be a big indication he indeed is Joyboy. They’ve been waiting and they thought he may be if I remember right in FMI

[normal plume]

You wish hahaha that’ll be so random

[wispy escarp]

Am I wrong or does the octopus control the waves outside Wano

[normal plume]

I don’t know of any octopus mentioned with such ability

[weary cliff]

Just knows how to spur the koi

[pure raven]

Thou, once wano is open
How the heck are people gonna go there if its so difficult

[brazen acorn]

What if momo actually read something about joy boy

Hm couldn't be actually since he said that he is the one that can't afford to die

[wispy escarp]

Lol the text literally says “stop!! Luffy isn’t the one!!”

[weary cliff]

There's a normal way up the beast pirates use. Remember when Apoo came back to wano

[pure raven]

Ah damn, the waterfall, i forgot

[pure raven]

Which u mean

[normal plume]

Nobody wants to remember Apoo that’s why so many forget

[warm field]

Maybe Katakuri is on the ship and will save Luffy.

[brazen acorn]

Katakuri can't swim

[wispy escarp]

Issa joke

[warm field]

He'll catch him

[pure raven]

I just gotta add this

Momonosuke is one of the 3 weapons right?

What yall think about that

[brazen acorn]

That's more far fetched than even big mom saving him to capture him

[brazen acorn]

It could be since he commanded Zunesha

[normal plume]

I think the logs indeed mention Joyboy and likely a big war to come. That’s why Yamato may have thought it was Ace perhaps and why Momo understands that the Samurai will be needed stronger that ever for it it or will realize. It seems he got other info which is immediately relevant to everyone right now

[warm field]

Well if it was Zunesha coming Momonosuke would recognize her voice, so I didn't think it's her.

[normal plume]

I can’t, Luffy going into the big war with crybaby hoshi and Momo which is basically in that same category right now

[outer locust]

Bye bye kiemon 😏

[pure raven]

Was thinking too, what u think about the koifish or some sea dragons?

[normal plume]

Maybe Law sliced him up so he’s fine hahaha

[warm field]

I don't think it's the koifish. I think they were there to just foreshadow Kaido's fruit.

[brazen acorn]

That actually makes sense lol but maybe the sudden way he heard the voice surprised him still

[normal plume]

I think it’s likely, also a big face palm to what Kaidou just said of him not being Joyboy and not to mention also dead

[pure raven]

Yeh think that will bite him back once luffy comes back
Lmao

[normal plume]

Was the wording really so dramatic in Japanese cause they went with “slaughtered” in translation

[brazen acorn]

Upcoming chapters will reveal something massive I feel like.

[warm field]

Maybe the octopus theory. He won't just magically wash up on shore again cause he and BM already got that treatment.

[brazen acorn]

But still Zunesha going to wano feels .. like what will a giant elephant do?

[warm field]

But whatever Mo heard is probably at the bottom of the sea. Or maybe Onigashima is a living thing, with a soul or something.

[brazen acorn]

Awaken hidden powers? Break the seal of his curse?

[normal plume]

It was so funny when BM was like hahaha you hear that and Kidd “haha like I care about that moron”

[warm field]

Catch Onigashima lol

[pure raven]

Slap the heck out of kaido and bring an army?

Also i feel like its missed potential if we get shown, zou is an elefant but we never see it getting used as a tactical thing

Also to guard wano after its open?

[normal plume]

Zunesha is sooo slow. Why do people think he would make it? Maybe in another few decades

[brazen acorn]

If it falls on the island the elephant still can't probably walk over the island to catch it. Else it falls in the sea anyway.

[warm field]

Maybe it's those silhouettes from Thriller Bark.

[brazen acorn]

Fuck it time for work. I will think about all these for the next 8 hours ....

[normal plume]

Hahaha I have to go too in a few

[tall abyss]

I'd be curious to see what Oda would do if he genuinely killed off Luffy

[warm field]

They were big & spooky, and Mo seemed really taken back by the voice.

[pure raven]

Aint zou like big af?
He proo wouldnt even need to go on land

[normal plume]

That time will never come

[normal plume]

Could be sea kings communicating with him?

[warm field]

Well this chapter shows Onigashima arriving at Wano anyway, so that whole Zunesha thing is probably dead in the water.

[pure raven]

How so?

[warm field]

I mean Zunesha appearing out of nowhere to save Wano from Onigashina.

[tall abyss]

What ch did Jinbei come back

[warm field]

We'd see her in the background or something, even it's a silhouette. She's massive lol

[pure raven]

I dont see yet why that would be out of the water?

[normal plume]

Again how will Zunesha make it unless Kuma blasted him or something which isn’t possible l would think given Kumas current situation

[warm field]

I mean the idea/theory. Not her literally dead in the water

[pure raven]

Do we know about the distance of where wano is and zou was while straw hats left it?

[normal plume]

I’m not sure but it had to be a days journey with good conditions at least I would wager

[warm field]

She'd also have to climb. Cause Wano is way above water level. She'd probably cause an earthquake or something after landing on or near Wano.

[pure raven]

Zou is about 30km high

[worldly anvil]

35km I think

[warm field]

And do we know how high you have to climb to reach Wano?

[pure raven]

Am looking for it rn

[warm field]

Then there's the fact that Onigashima is also floating over Wano.

[pure raven]

I didnt find anything

[indigo anvil]

The grand fleet is coming

[pure raven]

But i dont think anyone knows luffy is there 🤔

[tall abyss]

I feel that one of the Sun Pirates followed Jinbei because I don't what could save him other than something random

[warm field]

My point is just that if Zunesha was near, somebody would notice. Even if she's not exactly close yet, she wouldn't be able to move fast enough to do anything in terms of saving Wano from Onigashima. Unless her being there serves another purpose.

[warm field]

Jinbei is more likely to save him, based on what we currently know. Or the octopus.

[pure raven]

How you think about the idea of some kind of animal saving luffy?

To me momonosuke hearing voices again while we know luffy is falling seems too much of a coincidence to me

[worldly anvil]

Jinbe is on the fourth floor

[tall abyss]

Lol the Lord of the Coast saves Luffy

[pure raven]

You think he can be fighting tobo ropi and then just go on to save him?

[tall abyss]

That's why I can't see it being Jinbei

[worldly anvil]

No

He's too far and high to reach Luffy

[tall abyss]

Plus he's already drowning by the time they learn Kaido beat him

[sleek seal]

so is a sea king going to save luffy?

[pure raven]

I hope so
But maybe its just law in the end :Vasco:

[worldly anvil]

Nah Luffy drowns soz

[warm field]

Whatever Momonosuke heard is Luffy's savior at this point.

[vagrant gust]

what if momo heard luffy himself

[warm field]

Or he heard the Thousand Sunny.

[tall abyss]

It would be good charcter development for the crew if he died

[vagrant gust]

lol would make 0 sense and would just demoralize them

[warm field]

I don't think Luffy would just die like this.

[worldly anvil]

why not? Oda is getting old and One piece lasts for 20 years, time to end it

[warm field]

It was almost off-screened.

[pure raven]

Did we ever have a ship having or soul or anything like that?

[tall abyss]

Actually the Klabautermon of the Sunny would be cool to see

[vagrant gust]

right Oda should just go write a light novel /s

[warm field]

Going Merry

[tall abyss]

The Merry is dead though

[worldly anvil]

[pure raven]

I just googled it again shit do be emotional

[warm field]

Momonosuke is hearing the Sunny

[sleek seal]

what could the sunny ever do

[warm field]

Coup de Vent

[tall abyss]

Grabs Luffy with an anchor and puts him under the ship

[warm field]

Or Burst

[tall abyss]

Actually that wouldn't work because the Sunny is still docked on Onigashima

[warm field]

I mean, Luffy gets a power up, we get a glimpse, the gets defeated and killed off-screen?

[vagrant gust]

Isn't Franky on the sunny?

[warm field]

He's fighting Sasaki

[vagrant gust]

Isn't law's submarine there?

[tall abyss]

No he's fighting the Shield Corp

[warm field]

It's all the way at Onigashima's original position.

[tall abyss]

I don't think Law's Sub is a tsundere like him

[warm field]

Or at least before it moved. I don't think anybody stayed back either.

[tall abyss]

Pretty sure someone did 🤔

[warm field]

It was his crew and the samurai on-board.

But there was also a shadow we saw when they were invading Onigashima, when they all got transformed by Kin to look like Beast Pirates. I don't we got a blatant answer as to who that was.

Well, if it was "someone" I don't think anybody who could hear the voice of all things can hear people.

[pure raven]

Which shadow?

[half hawk]

Bruh

[warm field]

I'd have to go back. It was when they were at the entrance to Onigashima after the fight. When everybody goes in, and Robin and Jimbei finish talking. We see a shadow in a small panel before going to the next scene. I don't remember the chapter.

[tall abyss]

Yeah Hachi and Peguin are still on the sub

[pure raven]

Im looking it up, btw im just on chapter 976 skipping trough to look at panels

And right here where kanjuro kidnaps momonosuke, we see momonosuke screaming ,,let me down, im scared, please someone"
And as usual when he hears voices he is grabbing his head

Maybe thats the moment he called some kind of animals which now finally is reaching the island in the new chapter?

I know this is kind off too much and no way to proof it as of now

[half hawk]

What if a sea king helps him 🤔

[pure raven]

I found it, chapter 979, 9

[pure raven]

Yeh, if it would be kanjuro, the shape would match him, right?
Here its just a black blob

[warm field]

Yeah, that's the one. Just looked it up.

[warm field]

That's why I'm not sure if we got a blatant revelation as to who that was. It could've been Kanjuro or maybe Yamato. I don't think it would've been Tama since she was with Komachiyo.

[pure raven]

Yeah, sadly there really doesnt seem to be any info on who that is

Guess we gotta wait :ZoroGrief:

[half hawk]

[drowsy copper]

Momo is hearing a Sea King, who will also save luffy

[warm field]

Unless it's a new character, or something of the like, then yeah it's most likely a sea king.

[drowsy copper]

what I'd like to see, is Koby with Hancock hidden on his marine ship, secret alliance that came to Wano to help luffy.. but that's some sort of fanservice that Oda wouldn't use

Another option would be Shanks.. it's kinda weird to see Shanks not coming in help, when 2 empereor are VS luffy when he helped Whitebeard on Marineford.. but maybe Shanks has his hands full with something else, like protecting Alabasta from a Blackbeard that is aiming to conquer it..

Sea King is the simplest theory

[formal quest]

Shirahoshi:- Poseidon
Noah:- Pluton
Sea Kings:- Uranus

[pure raven]

Shirahoshi = poseidon = sea kings

Wiki: uranus was the personification of the sky,currently has no reference yet since its identity is unknown

[drowsy copper]

so the statement of Pluton still being in Alabasta was wrong, and it was built in Alabasta then moved to Fishman Island? but there is an issue with that theory:
1 Pluton was supposed to be a War Ship, and Noah didn't have weapons
2 Franky would have recognized it and said it

[pure raven]

Yeah noah justa normal ship

[night lava]

Kaido said: "you couldn't be joyboy either", would that mean that joyboy can be reincarnated? Also this could also connect to the ponegliff roger read and they said they were too early

[mighty sinew]

my idea is that Vivi is a ancestral weapon because she can share her feelings with other people (Alabasta war moment)

[night lava]

Noah couldn't possibly pluton due to the fact we barely saw any weapons in the ship

Or any structure that can hold a weapon capable of destroying an entire island

[mighty sinew]

I dont think JoyBoy is reincarnated, you become JoyBoy if you DO something

[night lava]

My idea is close

Also, since we saw momonosuke heard a voice, could it possibly another sea king or another ancient creature?

Possible a giant creature that may save luffy after getting thrown to the sea?

[mighty sinew]

Did Momo went to Flower Capital?

[night lava]

Theyre still in the floating onigashima

[mighty sinew]

Maybe he hear the voice of something in Wano. Options: sword grave, Capital Flower or Fuji

[night lava]

Prob another creature tho

[mighty sinew]

Or maybe the giant skeleton

[night lava]

He only reacted crazy when something big is trying to talk to him

Like the elephant, so could it possibly be another giant ancient creature?

[mighty sinew]

But nothing special happened. There is only 1 thing: skull reached Wano

[night lava]

Who

[mighty sinew]

Maybe Skull + Fuji is the whole body? HAHAH

[pure raven]

Whut?

[night lava]

Wdym giant skeleton

[ancient vault]

stop saying sea kings bruh

How tf are these shits supposed to fit through the waterfall. Theyre literally fatter than the waterfall

[night lava]

Besides zunisha, only sea kings can talk to people with the voice of all things

[ancient vault]

Ik that. But theyre so far down and I don't understand what theyre supposrd to do here. Zunesha would at least make more sense snd have a reason to be in wano since its history ties back to wano

[mighty sinew]

Watch out my skull Fuji theory XDDD

[ancient vault]

We're still pretty far away from Fuji

I doubt Momos range is THAT big

[weary cliff]

Nah man, go back to where the sea kings were talking in Oden flashback. They knew someone specific was about to be born who would be Joyboy

[pure raven]

Or its Just a loud voice

[mighty sinew]

how i add photos?

[ancient vault]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[silent forum]

if Zunesha would be there, kaido should have seen him lol

[ancient vault]

@pure raven but he's the only ome who can hear it + he told kinemon to tell everybody else sth so it seems either a) someone arrived b) something just awakaned on wano mainland causing momo to sense it

[silent forum]

I mean he is not the fastest so he cant just be there all of the sudden

[night lava]

Couldn't be zunisha tho, he/she's far from wano, also momonosuke said "who are you"

[ancient vault]

Zunesha? Momo couldve given him the order to come who knows

[mighty sinew]

Dont judge my Paint skills

[silent forum]

HoW

[ancient vault]

Is zunesha female or male? Im confused i should just use they/them

[pure raven]

Didnt one of the editors spoil that kaido aint the final villan

Maybe momo heard that guys voice

[ancient vault]

lmao chico

[silent forum]

Zunesha cant be there

[drowsy copper]

of Wano Arc?

[ancient vault]

@night lava I mean it could jsut be tjaz momo was suprised again and didnt notice at first but I agree I'll take this as Oda telling us its something else

[pure raven]

Yes

[mighty sinew]

Wano island is similar in size as top of Mount Fuji

[ancient vault]

Never ever trust editor

[pure raven]

Momo said warn everybody

[ancient vault]

Also can you link where he said that tho? Need contrxt

[night lava]

Also, zunesha doesnt make momo go crazy when hearing him, on the latest chapter it looks like another thing tried to talk to him

[ancient vault]

He did have headaches tho

[mighty sinew]

Because he is hearing voices heDONT understand maybe

[night lava]

Yeah but not so extreme unlike in the latest chapter

[silent forum]

KaIdO iS bLiNd, ZuNeShA sTaNdS bEhInD hIm

[night lava]

And then again, he said "who are you"

[pure raven]

Its was from a interview cant rember which

[ancient vault]

Nonono he did. I think i got an idea

!wanomap

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/698548097428619304/Wano_Map.png

[night lava]

Even if he was surprised, he wouldve instantly recognized it was zunisha since zunisha was basically the only one that makes him have headaches when talking to him

So, its another "thing"

[pure raven]

Or that voice can be related to the reason why zunesha was doomed to walk for ever

[silent forum]

Zunesha is so small, kaido cant even see him

[mighty sinew]

They already reach Tokage port

[weary cliff]

https://i.redd.it/w37y6vnboww61.jpg the anime director said something vague

[maiden terrace]

Isn't Zunesha taller than wano

[silent forum]

@maiden terrace no, he is so small, that nobody would see him if he aproche

[night lava]

Theres also the thing @silent forum Said, if zunesha was indeed there someone would've already reported to kaido or kaido would've noticed a gigantic elephant near wano

Considering the view he has

[maiden terrace]

Yeah true

[ancient vault]

Theory time:
Zunesha is behind mount fuji on the other side of the island. Remember when Momo looked through Zuneshas eyes? That mightve been what happened here. He looked in the direction of Onigashima approaching and Momo saw it so he said that we have to warn everybody else.

[mighty sinew]

Kitetsu lives in Amigasa, he is not that close

[pure raven]

If zunesha was on his way to wano wouldnt he stomp luffy

[ancient vault]

Zunesha can come from the other direction. Its way taller than wano

[night lava]

And isnt zunesha taller than wano?

[pure raven]

Is ti Just me or does wano look like a bean

[maiden terrace]

20,000 meters tall

[ancient vault]

!wanomap

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/698548097428619304/Wano_Map.png

[mighty sinew]

Wano is QUITE QUITE tall

[night lava]

How could he be "behind" a mountain if hes way more massive

[pure raven]

Wano is looks like a bean

[ancient vault]

Not hiding. theyre not behind the mountain exactly. Im not on pc. Theyre still out of borders

[silent forum]

If Zunesha would be behind the mountain, what could he do there? I mean we need someone who saves Ruffy O.o

[ancient vault]

not on wano mainland but outside of it behind the mountain

[bitter shard]

I think Law's crew-mates will save Luffy, they are underwater since they dropped Law on back side of onigasima with submarine, anyone with same opinion ?

[ancient vault]

exactly where the fish are, left side

[night lava]

Wano sea have extreme currents

[silent forum]

@bitter shard idk would be lame

[pure raven]

Or maybe those creaturs we saw at the end of thriller bark

[mighty sinew]

Do we know the height of Wano?

For comparing it to Zunisha

[ancient vault]

nothing is taller than zunesha except redline

[night lava]

Speaking of thriller bark, this map lools like the figure we saw at the end of thriller bark

[ancient vault]

or is it even? idk but those two are the tallest things

[night lava]

Red line is definitely taller

[bitter shard]

Yeah but they reached Onigasima pretty accurately

[ancient vault]

The figures if theyre real and not fake might be as tall as zunesha

[night lava]

Prob taller

[ancient vault]

I think the currents underwater are fine

[bitter shard]

Do you have any other way in mind to save Luffy ?

[ancient vault]

Didnt law say that

[pure raven]

Submarine

[night lava]

Another plot armor?

[mighty sinew]

Luffy fall into land

[unborn acorn]

The new rumble ball effects gave Chopper a new transformation which is what momo is 'hearing'. Chopper becomes a god and one shots each and every beast pirate. He then heads to mariejois and slaves all celestial dragons before going to laugh tale and proclaims himself the pirate king. Ez pz lemon squeezy

[night lava]

Luffy magically falls tk the village of CoC users and teaches him how to use it properly to beat kaido lmao

[pure raven]

Or the sunny pulling a merry and throw the shark submarine to save luffy

[mighty sinew]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[pure raven]

Or laws submarine

[night lava]

Another possibility is that what momo is hearing could possibly be the one to save luffy

[ancient vault]

serious theories only here guys lmao

[pure raven]

The big mom pirates fishing up luffy

[night lava]

Why would they

[pure raven]

To beat him up

[ancient vault]

so BM can execute him like she wnated

[bitter shard]

Yeah that's possible

[night lava]

They couldve let him drown

[ancient vault]

Probably wont happen. They aint coming back

[pure raven]

Bm wants his head

[ancient vault]

I hope its a new thing and not zunesha or seakings

[night lava]

And we never saw bm order any of her children

[ancient vault]

wdym

[night lava]

Zunesha cant save luffy, hes too massive

[pure raven]

She took her children with her to wano what your talking about

[night lava]

What i mean is, we never saw her irder her children to fish up luffy

[pure raven]

We dont know height of redline tho

[mighty sinew]

That false

[snow herald]

i know whats gonna happen

[mighty sinew]

There is a 3000 next to the hand

And also the left part of the mountain plain

[pure raven]

We dont know if thats height, length, peak height or just height of the part there

[snow herald]

luffy is going to wake up and in the water and through the power of love and friendship hes going to learn how to swim and negate the seas affect on DFs. mark my words

[pure raven]

Even the anime op foreshadowed it you will see luffy surrounded by water

what do u guys think happened to katakuri??

[night lava]

Redline is tall, too tall, its amazing how celestial dragons can even breath there

[night lava]

Yeah then he'll find a secret passage way with wall scripts that tells him hoe to use CoC coating easier and stronger

[pure raven]

Demoted from his rank like snack

One lose and your careers is pretty much over in the bm pirates

[glacial scroll]

In the early chapters of One piece, Shanks saved Luffy from a sea KING in the water, essentially a big FISH. Now in the latest chapter, Kaido the KING of beasts (who has a FISH fruit) has put Luffy into the water. So Shanks might pull up and save Luffy from a fish again

[unborn acorn]

The tree of eve or whatever it is called is much taller than the red line considering that its roots start at the sea floor level and grows taller than the red line. The tree might be the reason why celestial dragons can breathe at such high altitudes

[pure raven]

Thats intressting but would go against old gen vs new gen thematic

[keen portal]

Yeah because shanks most definitely has a fictional sensor that tells him whenever luffy is defeated by a giant fish and he'll instantly teleport to wherever luffy might be to save him.

Ok.

[somber sphinx]

Shanks might not even be a good guy now tbh

[dire fox]

guys, do u think more people will come to wano?

like the marine or something like that

[covert hazel]

Doubt it

Wano doesn't really need more players right now

[keen portal]

The cp0 might try to pull some shit right at the very end. Like trying to take out whoever is the victor, thinking they're weakened. In order to secure and force open wano's borders for themselves, but in control of the WG and CP0. Not by the control of the natives or the samurai.

But that won't happen until at least this major fighting has ended in one side's victory. I don't see any more outside interference until then.

[snow herald]

I have another fantastic theory. luffy wakes up and drinks up all the water in the sea and thus become mizu luffy again from alabasta. he bounces up to kaido and fights kaido with gear 4th mizu man mode

[coral plank]

Hot take: marco awakening heals everyone 🤡

[unborn acorn]

Shanks could show up tbf. He has for long been keeping the world's power balance in check and seeing that big mom was headed to Wano, he might be making a move. But tbh Luffy needed to get his ass kicked. Luffy becoming the strongest all of a sudden would have killed one piece for me. Still its interesting to see who will come to luffy's rescue. Caribou has been invisible so far though I doubt he can save luffy since he cant swim either

[keen portal]

Shanks saving luffy yet again, with no foreshadowing that he's near wano or coming to it (we had some foreshadowing in mf that he was near mf when he fought kaido) will be an asspull and a detriment to the story.

Luffy needs to get over this wall himself, or with the help of allies he himself gathered, in order to meet shanks eye to eye as a great pirate

[hidden tinsel]

I think some admirals are going to Wano

[keen portal]

How long do you think shanks is going to be a crutch for luffy and save him conveniently?

[hidden tinsel]

Yall think the anime intro has anything to do with Luffy being underwater rn

[pure raven]

Don't think Shanks will appear anywhere near Wano. Something or someone else will save him

[mystic jay]

the going merry comes to save luffy 💀

[keen portal]

Which admiral?

Kizaru wanted to but akainu explicitly stopped him.
Fujitora was last on a ship in the calm belt, so his more likely destination would be Amazon Lily.
Greenbull was a silhouette in mareijois

[pure raven]

I want Fujitora to appear, his DF's ability to make meteor's appear is in theme with the dinosaurs. Fujitora would also make sense that he'll probably be willing to work with Luffy to defeat a Yonko. But most likely it'll be Greenbull.

I don't think Oda used the same admiral in two arcs Pre-TS

[dire minnow]

Just hopping on with a random opinion, I doubt any admirals will appear since CP-0 is already here

[heady cairn]

Fujitora will make a part of the moon fall and enel will come in it, trust me 👍

[dire minnow]

This sounds like something that could happen

[maiden terrace]

true

[pure raven]

I don't watch the anime, but wasn't the Scabbard traitor hinted in the opening before the manga even revealed who it is? So maybe

[feral scroll]

It seems to me that onigashima will land on flower capital and they won’t be able to stop it

[heady cairn]

Yeah, I am Oda's close close friend

[maiden terrace]

there is a panel with luffy underwater in the same way, i'm sure it's forshadowing. They forshadowed Denjiro in the opening

[supple lagoon]

yo is wano 5 arcs or was that just a theory that was proposed or fact?

acts*

[amber oar]

It comes from Kabuki having 5 acts, but turns out not every Kabuki has 5 acts

[feral scroll]

It was a theory

[supple lagoon]

ahhh i see cuz i was like expectign them to lose this whole time and then have to get stronger later but this makes things far more intresting

[keen portal]

There's no time for another repreive or mini training arc like that. They win here or die here.

[supple lagoon]

i mean with how this arc is going

[feral scroll]

Yeah I know, but we still don’t know if there is gonna be an act 4

[supple lagoon]

i wouldnt be suprised if they did the formula but this time they dont liberate the country

[feral scroll]

No they’re liberating wano

They have to, it’s essential like oden said

[supple lagoon]

i meant like they jsut dont win they take heavy losses

[feral scroll]

I onigashima might land before they get to stop kaido and yeah there will be heavy casualties

Since there are hundreds of thousands of people in flower capital rn

[supple lagoon]

thats what im thinking this is gonna be some heavy casulity losses this time

[feral scroll]

Honestly i’ve never seen so much death in a single arc before

[supple lagoon]

I think this is gonna be big death arcs

I also fully believe luffys gonna learn some water power shit

[feral scroll]

Yeah, it seems like kanjuro and kiku are already dying

[supple lagoon]

Im really worried that we might lose usoop this arc too

[feral scroll]

No I think zunesha is coming, if you look at the one of Momo’s panel, momo was having a headache just like the time when he was talking to zunesha

Wait lemme bring that panel

[unborn acorn]

They have to win but it aint happening without help. 3 supernovas aren't enough to bring down 2 yonkos. Maybe if cp0 get involved it will turn into a 3 sided battle but even so there isn't a scenario in which luffy wins except if somehow momo does something ridiculous.

Some1 is coming to wano and we have no idea who yet

[supple lagoon]

I think it'll come but I think that won't be to do with Luffy but more the full island itself or deal with the rest of the enemies

[feral scroll]

I don’t really think any other forces are joining but rather some are leaving like BM leaving for some reason

[supple lagoon]

Imagien Vivi and sabo pull up lmaoo

[unborn acorn]

And that some1 is a coc user who can stall/guide luffy to victory

[feral scroll]

Yeah I agree, i was thinking more in the line of zunesha always taking a bath by sucking up sea water and luffy, by luck gets saved too, since “fortune favors the pirate king” and what not

[feral scroll]

Though if zunesha does come, i think there will be more minks then

But I don’t think any other significant forces are coming

[unborn acorn]

All the capable minks are already in Wano so unless zunesha itself joins the fight, the minks will get annihilated

[maiden terrace]

They can fight the fodder

And aren't they all pretty strong

[feral scroll]

I think they can put up a fight against the waiters and so on, they did so when the beast pirates attacked their home

Even the kids are born fighters, though they probably won’t be sending kids into war

[unborn acorn]

Momo suddenly saying that he cannot die is interesting though. Whatever is going to happen next is going to be mind blowing. I doubt it has anything to do with a secret weapon else oden would have used it already 20 years ago

[feral scroll]

Yeaaah! Though it’d be some horrible crap if he’s joyboy or smth

[unborn acorn]

Jack alone destroyed both neko and doggo but yeah perhaps they could put up a fight vs waiters

[feral scroll]

They are outnumbered, I think they need all the help they can get imo

[maiden terrace]

I'm pretty sure he's knows exactly why his father wanted to open up wano, and what the one piece is etc

[feral scroll]

If he tells them this early tho…

[maiden terrace]

And probably also knows that Luffy is joyboy, and who joyboy originally is, all the lore

[flat panther]

Yes

[feral scroll]

Also maybe joyboy has unlimited haki or smth? What did kaido even mean?

[maiden terrace]

He might not be talking about physcial power

[feral scroll]

Cant be because other have defeated kaido before

[maiden terrace]

Probably just talking about what Luffy couldn't achieve (opening up wano, pirate king, one piece cause he thinks luffy is dead)

[feral scroll]

O i see

[pure raven]

Someone that raises more flags.

[feral scroll]

That makes sense

[drowsy marsh]

Can't be Joyboy if you are dead

[maiden terrace]

I'm guessing that Kaido knows that Luffy is a very likely contender to inherit joyboys will, unlike all the other strong people he's fought

Too bad he's dead

[feral scroll]

Yeah probably, maybe he’s just lost his hope on luffy

[maiden terrace]

He probably wanted Luffy to kill him so bad

[supple lagoon]

Imma call it now luffys gonna hit the water activate some ability but it wont last then be saved by zou

[feral scroll]

Lol he is suicidal, and very philosophical

Honestly I expected him to be more of a brute monster that just attacks, but he’s very complex

[maiden terrace]

Kaido is a doomer

[feral scroll]

Lmao yeah

[pure raven]

Garp probably hit him in the head too hard

[supple lagoon]

I just realized that after this were going to probs going straight to fight the marines

[maiden terrace]

Post Wano I expect Marines to pull up

[feral scroll]

I think elbaf is the last island and then one piece and after that is marines

[maiden terrace]

and try to control Wano, this is after luffy leaves btw

[maiden terrace]

We still have to go to Lodestar, and IF the last Road Poneglyph is at Elbaf we can head to Lodestar and then to Raftel

Wano > Elbaf > Lodestar > Raftel

[feral scroll]

Oh yeah, but i think after elbaf they’ll just speed run it, I was actually thinking there’ll be some kind of race to laughtale but idk

[maiden terrace]

Yeah Lodestar will be a small break in between

[pure raven]

After Raftel will be the war right?

[feral scroll]

Kinda like loguetown

[maiden terrace]

Before. The war can only start when someone gets the one piece

[brazen acorn]

I expect war to break out before raftel

[supple lagoon]

I'm just saying if my mans Coby was there situation would have been sorted easy

[feral scroll]

Though I think there will be a clash between luffy and BB at some point between wano and laughtale

It would be crazy if an all df crew of BB vs shank’s crew of haki users and shs

In elbaf, but idk it seems Bb is busy with smth else

[maiden terrace]

I honestly think that this will happen

But AFTER we meet shanks, because I'd say we meet him in Elbaf and do some fighting

[brazen acorn]

Idk I can't see shanks fighting alongside with Luffy

[feral scroll]

Yeah i agree, luffy has to meet shanks first

[maiden terrace]

I think we may meet BB before Raftel but after we meet Shanks but only brieflt

[brazen acorn]

I see it more likely for shanks to have a huge fight alone

[maiden terrace]

^^^

[unborn acorn]

Why alone? Shanks deserves to have his buddy buggy on his side

[feral scroll]

But if that was the case, it would be offscreened

[maiden terrace]

Buggy is waiting at Raftel

[brazen acorn]

From what we have seen shanks is not like that

He doesn't wanna intervene with Luffy

[feral scroll]

O i see

[brazen acorn]

He might fight a big name so Luffy fights someone else

[maiden terrace]

He doesn't need too, Luffy is strong enough to fight almost anyone, After he learns how to control his Haki better

[brazen acorn]

Like dark king does in sabaody

With his conqueror's haki yes

[feral scroll]

O okay i gtg tho

[brazen acorn]

Else his power is very limited to a couple mins

[maiden terrace]

bye bye

[brazen acorn]

Same it's my break but I have 10 mins

[unborn acorn]

Buggy is joy boy trolling everybody. Ever wondered why he was suddenly 'ill' just when he was about to set his feet on raftel?

[brazen acorn]

Lmao

[maiden terrace]

He was sending off his vice captain, roger

[unborn acorn]

But srsly though where is uranus? (no jokes/pun intended)

[maiden terrace]

We aren't sure yet, I'd think it's with the Government

I would like for them to have atleast one of the weapons, because they know so much about Void Century etc so they should have possesion of some few important things

[brazen acorn]

As much as they seem to know about the void century it seems everything was hidden well enough from them

[unborn acorn]

Im probably has it. Heck dudes even got a sharingan

[brazen acorn]

They focused too much on keeping everything a secret instead of obtaining everything for themselves

[maiden terrace]

They could've EASILY gotten Pluton, Poseiden if they took them by force

[brazen acorn]

Thing is do they know who Poseidon is?

[unborn acorn]

They wouldn't burn down O'Hara if they didn't already have the information, would they?

[brazen acorn]

They tried to take pluton with force and failed.

[maiden terrace]

they most likely do

[desert mango]

wait since momo is having a headache could that mean that zuenesha is coming

[unborn acorn]

Or enel

[maiden terrace]

I'd want that

[unborn acorn]

His spaceship is uranus

[maiden terrace]

I want luffy to pull up on zunesha's head and be like "KAIDOOO"

[unborn acorn]

The god of the sky

[brazen acorn]

Could be. But he asked "who is this?" And he already knows Zunesha. It could be the sea kings.

[maiden terrace]

Enel could be very much linked with Uranus

[pure raven]

Whats happening to Momonosuke in this panel? Is he hearing the " voices "?

[weak arrow]

yeah, a lot of people think he's hearing zunesha again

but maybe it's something else 👀

[brazen acorn]

In an earlier panel he got a headache and shouted "who is this" @pure raven

[pure raven]

Thats what I was thinking too but its probably something else yeah

[unborn acorn]

I mean there isn't anything further up in the sky other than the moon in one piece universe. Enel got his uranus and is ready for world domination

[pure raven]

What do we know of that has a voice like that, zunesha and the sea kings right

[brazen acorn]

Reminder that Oden got a headache when he heard the sea kings too.

And my time is up. Gotta go.

[maiden terrace]

See ya

[maiden terrace]

Tell everyone.. Zunesha is here

[unborn acorn]

Whatever it is, for sure it requires the voice of all things to be heard and it has to be a weird ass creature or object

[maiden terrace]

Luffy probably heard it before he fell

[pure raven]

Is that voice whats going to save luffy?

[unborn acorn]

Luffy got his ass kicked before momo heard the voices but it is possible that luffy heard it too

Probably yes. There isn't anyone except Caribou, yamato, cp0 or law's crew who can be of help unless someone new shows up

[pure raven]

Saw a theory that the octopus that guided them up the river in the beginning of Wano will save him from drowning, sounds cool

[unborn acorn]

Caribou and yamato are both dft users so thats a no from them and cp0 obviously won't make a move to help luffy

Interesting. Momo was shown to have colour of perception haki and can hear sea kings. So it could happen

[snow cloak]

What if (just for fun)
Akainu boards a marine ship and comes straight for wano and he took down two emperors along with luffy

[unborn acorn]

Or dragon shows up with pluto and reduces onigashima to dust?

Dragon vs dragon. Place your bets

[snow cloak]

I'll place my on monkey.d.dragon

[pure raven]

Yeah we know oficially that Momonosuke can hear the voice of all things like his father did in the FIshman Island, we'll foresure see more of it in the upcoming chapters

And how he talked to Zunesha in Zou

[scarlet veldt]

Zunesha is gonna suck Luffy up in his snout and blow him back on Onigashima. I could see that happening.

[zinc iris]

momonosuke probably also wants to inform about something he read in the log

[unborn acorn]

Dragons abilities were never shown but knowing that kaido is the world's strongest yet has a smaller bounty than dragon is fishy. Is directly opposing the world government enough to get you that high of a bounty? Dragon surely has something that he could use which would explain his bounty since for 1k+ chapters, nothing he did has shown to be important enough imo

[zinc iris]

the revolutionary army has the explicit goal of toppling the Celestial Dragons and is acctually succeeding in undermining the WG's reputation and turning the people against them
so considering the Bounty also denotes how much the WG wants you dead, Dragon is easily at the top spot

[lofty zenith]

I'm surprised how Kaido knows about JoyBoy

[formal quest]

Its like how Kid's bounty was greater than Luffy's even though SHs defeated CP9 and broke out of Enies Lobby

[glacial scroll]

What? Oda likes to repeat things that's all I'm saying jesus christ why you mad over a theory. It's also heavily substantiated by Shanks wanting to ser Luffy.

[keen portal]

Who's mad lmao. Only you that people don't agree with you

[glacial scroll]

Its repetition of event. I know it might be a bit hard for you. You do seem quite dumb

[glacial scroll]

You, you are mad

[keen portal]

Can you stop pinging me

[glacial scroll]

No

[keen portal]

@gloomy canyon

[glacial scroll]

Oooo scaryyyy

[gloomy canyon]

enough

stop being a nuisance in this channel

[glacial scroll]

I don't think you actually read the channel your just standing up for them especially how they specifically pinged you instead of the 1000s of people in here. They got angry at a theory. Do you know how sad that is

😭😂

@keen portal

[keen portal]

Dude stop pinging me ffs

[glacial scroll]

Nah

[gloomy canyon]

I do not care, this channel is not the place for this sort of bickering and shit flinging. All I need to see if them asking you to stop pinging them and that should be it

aight

[glacial scroll]

Nah

[marsh warren]

Dragon is Luffy's dad and the son of Garp

and presumably the guy with the highest bounty in the series, i'd be surprised if he wasn't Yonkou level

[winter heron]

Does joy boy mean becoming pirate king?

[keen portal]

No they don't seem to be related at all

One person can be both sure. But a person is not Joyboy because they're pirate king or pirate king only because they're joyboy

[mortal field]

Kaido cant be the world strongest if he got his ass beat by Shanks

Then again, he probably had a glow up after the 2 years so who knows

[marsh warren]

Shanks seems like a chill guy, maybe he is stronger than Kaido and simply isn't interested in picking a fight with him

Remember that Whitebeard didn't want to avenge Oden because it would've put his sons into harms way.

[mortal field]

Shanks was on his way to Marineford, beat Kaido's ass, and still made it there during the Paramount war

[kindred flint]

need a panel showing kaido’s ass beat

[mortal field]

But i dont think he do anything to get on the Government's ass likr Kaido or other Emperors do

[marsh warren]

Shanks and his crew didn't have so much as a scratch on them, i think they must've negotiated with Kaido somehow

[mortal field]

I cant send pics

[kindred flint]

they definitely negotiated with Kaido

[keen portal]

I too think they did some sort of parley

[kindred flint]

Shanks isn’t gonna beat somebody up just because he wants to go somewhere, shanks beating up kaido is a headcanon and not true at all

[mortal field]

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[keen portal]

Get a role

[mortal field]

Oh that failed

[bitter moth]

Did shanks know about Luffy, ace, and sabos brotherhood thing?

[unborn acorn]

It wasn't Shanks vs Kaido

[keen portal]

Until shanks meet Ace, he wouldn't know

[unborn acorn]

It was red haired pirates vs beast pirates

Shanks has the strongest crew amongst the yonkos

[weak arrow]

The mang never said it was a conclusive fight. And even if there was, why assume it was kaido vs shanks? TBH it seems more likely it'd be shanks entire crew vs kaido

[bitter moth]

If shanks knew how important ace was to Luffy I could see him fight or at least push kaido back to stop the war

[unborn acorn]

Ace met shanks to thank him

[mortal field]

As of now nobody know why he stopped Kaido, but Gov think that he might have wanted to kill Whitebeard

[unborn acorn]

So yes he knows

[sonic plaza]

Here is why I think Act 3 could end at chapter 1016:

• 1014, 1015, and 1016 should all be released with no breaks in between, and ending act 3 on a break would be a great cliffhanger
• Act 3 and Act 4 will likely have different tones and settings, so when onigashima goes over the flower capital, it would be great for a new ominous and climactic setting, and it is almost there
• with many people's recent defeats (Luffy, Kin, Kiku) and many more to come (aka KIDDDD), it would be great to try to end the act within the shortest time possible after these defeats to add cliffhangers

[unborn acorn]

Shanks is all about keeping the balance of the 3 main powers at an equilibrium

[mortal field]

Ight here's the pic incase

[unborn acorn]

He wasn't going to allow kaido to cause a one sided battle in marine ford

[mortal field]

Idk, i cant see why Shanks wouldnt be stronger if not atleast equal to the other emperors

[kindred flint]

hes equal

[keen portal]

No one's saying he's not

We're just saying he didn't go to an all out war with kaido back then

[kindred flint]

exactly

[mortal field]

Yea ik that

[unborn acorn]

Kaido is the strongest character in one piece atm but his crew is not as strong as shanks'

[mortal field]

Im saying i cant see why he wouldnt be able to beat Kaido, then again i cant see why he would be able to as well

He was Mihawks training partner at one point, and Mihawk is probably the strongest Warlord

[kindred flint]

not saying he wouldnt but the fact he had a run in with kaido and got to marineford so quickly tells you that he didn’t have a all out fight with him

[mortal field]

Yea

Thats true, i dont see him pullin up in Onigashima tho (to other theories saying he might do that)

[weak arrow]

Shanks coming to wano unless he actually is is probably the worst outcome for the arc

[kindred flint]

that would break his promise he made to luffy as luffy is not yet a great pirate, luffy is supposed to go to shanks, not shanks come to him

[mortal field]

Yea and that would probably just break all the tension going on now

He didnt pull up to WCI, why pull up now?

[unborn acorn]

What is a great pirate though? Should luffy be at yonko level?

[mortal field]

Luffy a lil under their level imo

[keen portal]

And yet people see a tiktok theory about shanks saving luffy from fish and think they're some prophet genius theorist

[unborn acorn]

Technically luffy is the 5th yonko

[keen portal]

[mortal field]

Due to his bounty

[kindred flint]

Exactly, these people just make me mad

[mortal field]

Katakuri would also be Yonko if he wasnt under Big Mom Pirates

[unborn acorn]

Indeed he is weaker than the other 4 but that does not mean he isn't a great pirate

[mortal field]

But he has to deal with Shanks, BB, BM, and Kaido

And so far, this Gyarados is beating Luffy ass

[unborn acorn]

So what would it take for Shanks to 'acknowledge' luffy as a great pirate?

[mortal field]

Probably beating nearly every Emperor

[keen portal]

Freeing wano from kaido presumably

[mortal field]

Also isnt BB on the move?

[unborn acorn]

That's overdoing things imo

[mortal field]

There is 3 ways i see Wano ending

[unborn acorn]

I mean the standards set are too high. That's basically saying you're not a great pirate if you're not the strongest

[mortal field]

1. Luffy come back and beat Kaido
2. Luffy has to be saved from Kaido
3. Luffy is kicked from Kaido island and he has to train again

And so far, 3 is happening

[mortal field]

Thats what it takes to be a great pirate. Look at Roger, man fought Whitebeard for like what 4 days?

The same person that could destroy the world if he wanted to

Plus, Luffy also has the same thinking. Back on PH he said that he wantes to take down every Emperor

[small pasture]

Heys guys , what if by any chance Joy Boy isn't a person that existed but a person that will exist ?
And Im is hunting him down, still trying to figure it out who JoyBoy will be , going throght Vivi , BB , Shiraoshi

[kindred flint]

Joyboy left a treasure at Laugh Tale though

[unborn acorn]

In the world of one piece, a shichibukai is already a great pirate. Luffy is more than that. He shouldn't have to fight the strongest for 4 days to be deemed great enough. Them meeting would be a great opportunity to provide a mentor figure to teach him about coc.

[small pasture]

did he ?

[onyx badger]

im going to use 1% of my battery to express that Luffy, how long or how hard it takes, will be

[kindred flint]

Im pretty sure I could be wrong tho

[keen portal]

Joyboy also left an apology poneglyph for a previous Poseidon

[small pasture]

i will check

[kindred flint]

let me go reread

[snow cloak]

Hey guys how did kinemon blocked kaido attack

[keen portal]

He definitely existed at one point in history

[snow cloak]

Did kinemon awakened his df

[small pasture]

Ye he did you're right

[small pasture]

yup

[unborn acorn]

Joy boy is probably a title

Connected with will of d

[keen portal]

What's more interesting is kaido knowing anything about being or not being joyboy

[small pasture]

i just can't imagina the last arc

[mortal field]

I cant imagine Mariejoe

[small pasture]

i remember the first time seeing kaido and Im and going SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

i will go throught the roof when BB vs SH

[mental root]

what about when Luffy vs Imu ?

[mental root]

yeah that actually shocked me too. Kaido seems like he knows a lot

[tight pond]

chapter 1014 was fire

[unborn acorn]

Whatever info kaido obtained about joyboy must be located on poneglyphs not found on raftel. And that info should have been obtained 20 years ago with the help of someone who can read poneglyphs or from someone who narrated the whole thing to kaido

There is probably a poneglyph in Wano about joyboy

[mental root]

yeah they already told us that right ? Kaido has one of the four red poneglyph, maybe it's that one

[keen portal]

But kaido can't read poneglyph nor does he have any means to

[mental root]

though I'm not sure is that the one Law found

doesn't seem .... red ...

[keen portal]

If he had any means to read poneglyphs, he wouldn't want to go after Robin

The only other people in wano who could read poneglyphs is the kozuki clan, and he killed oden himself. No one after oden can read them either

[gentle horizon]

Toki maybe?

[keen portal]

Toki was an Amatsuki, and it's unknown wether oden later taught her.

Even if she did, toki never faced off against kaido before her death. Why and how would toki tell kaido anything about joyboy

I'm just shooting down the other avenues to arrive at what real feasible possibility would kaido have. And poneglyphs don't seem very likely to me. Or specifically, Kaido himself directly getting the info from poneglyphs he owns.

More likely is his history with rocks

[vestal isle]

I would assume it has something to do with Rocks

It would make sense if Rocks' goal, whatever it was, had something to do with the void century and the Ancient Kingdom

[keen portal]

The gathering of the ancient weapons as well

[vestal isle]

I wonder if he learned the truth and then decided to kill the Celestial Dragons in order to cleanse the world, like that was his way of freeing the world from the world government

[mental root]

sounds like a rogue Garp tbh

[vestal isle]

yeah, maybe that was why they fought each other

[mental root]

fuck Kaido flashback whennnnnnn

[cerulean coyote]

Sengoku said that the Rocks touched too much stones, iirc...

[mental root]

yeah something along the line of "he bared his fangs towards the WG"

[ancient vault]

Doubt

At least that that wa shis motivation. He wanted to be king of the world. Not free the people. He evem tried to kill the innocent slaves so hes def not a good guy at all

[ancient vault]

The worlds taboos

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/812820295139459133/813072325476876298/unknown.png

[pure raven]

probably killed a few celestial dragons and discovered everything

[vestal isle]

Not saying he was a good person just that he maybe in his mind thought it was a noble goal

I have no proof or anything i was just spitballing

[ancient vault]

Again he wanted to be king of the world and he was captain of a crew that killed each other. Theres a reason why garp snd roger decided to side against him

If he seriously had a noble goal garp and roger most likely wouldve assisted him but he was very likely just a power hungry individual so strong he would seriously have ruined the world if he won

[pure raven]

Momo is hearing the mermaid princess coming on clutch with an army of sea kings 🧜‍♀️

[restive iron]

After Luffy becomes king of the pirates they will go to elbaf and usopp will command the grandfleet and actually be commanding more than 8000 soldiers after that he will be killed but the strawhats rush him back home and he gets to say goodbye to kaya before he dies

[cedar sinew]

Usopp crosses the calm belt. enters reverse mountain, and crosses the calm belt again and meets Kaya?

[pure raven]

I still fundamentally believe that the reason the celestial dragons hold so much power besides their claimed monarchy greatness bloodline status is entirely because they're holding Uranus over everyone's head and the world government of people obey because if they don't, they risk a planet destroying weapon aimed at the world populace.

My only "Evidence" is the following

1. It fits the theme of the Celestial dragons overlooking humanity as the story of Uranus did
2. It adds more to Doflamingo's power and why a lot of the world government went along with his plan despite him technically no longer being a celestial dragon
3. It justifies why the celestial dragons lord over everyone and also the chapter about the Gorosei talking about a great cleansing that presumably is going to be done via Uranus makes much more sense and why everyone else bows down including the marines and why the Revolutionaries make it a point that their goal isn't the world government but the Celestial Dragons.

[cedar sinew]

who do you exactly mean they're threatening

who's "everyone"

[pure raven]

The Celestial Dragons literally threaten the world population.
The marines are made up of citizens of their respective island nations whom are recruited

We know that the Void century, there was a technologically advanced civilization that was wiped off the map, never to be seen again. We also know that at the end of it, the world governments formed leading to the celestial dragons being in charge and the head honchos. The gorosei or whomever is directly underneath the celestial dragons/whomever wielding pluton would paint the government in a more believable light. Every island nation endures the celestial dragon's abuse because it means their island won't get destroyed via buster call or uranus.

You don't bring up a "world cleansing" without people to be cleansed

[cedar sinew]

I also think Uranus, the national treasure, and the Great Cleansing are all related but there's a lot of flaws in your reasoning.

It adds more to Doflamingo's power and why a lot of the world government went along with his plan despite him technically no longer being a celestial dragon
It's just Doffy's knowledge and that he could spread it, that's why it doesn't matter if he's a celestial dragon. Now if you mean Uranus = National Treasure that he kept mentioning, it'd be inclined to agree.
It justifies why the celestial dragons lord over everyone
That's the system. They were the founders of the world and have the marines at disposal.
and why the Revolutionaries make it a point that their goal isn't the world government but the Celestial Dragons
because once again, that's the system. They're the corrupt part of the WG that needs to be rooted out, not sure how that connects to your theory at all

[sand sail]

Few countries participate in the World Government out of fear that the government would wipe them out

That's not how they work

And no one fears a Buster Call or an Ancient Weapon descending on them at all, that the ancient weapons are entirely secret from the public makes that notion self-defeating

[cedar sinew]

yeah ^

it's not like they publicly announce it

[sand sail]

Likewise, the World Government can be an incredibly beneficial thing. The Revolutionaries wouldn't want to topple that because it means every single country in it goes straight to hell

[cedar sinew]

otherwise we'd know as the readers. Buster Calls are a thing for grave offenses

[pure raven]

You right but also wouldn't it be easier to maintain the peace if everyone didn't know they had a big laser aimed at their heads.

[sand sail]

The World Government provides a lot of resources, protection and trade to its members. The Celestial Dragons are horrible, but they're not the majority of action in the government by any means at all

[cedar sinew]

islands dont get buster called everyday

[sand sail]

They're just gratuitous when they come around

[cedar sinew]

but they don't know. If they knew that Luffy and the SHs would know

[raven stratus]

to be fair, they don't have to publically announce it just threaten the figureheads of the state who would do their utmost to keep their people from learning about it, because that just incites panic / riots or they become the next Ohara

[cedar sinew]

and we'd know

it wouldn't be a secret

[pure raven]

That's what I'm saying
"They don't tell the world and keep everything and information hidden for the sake of maintaining the peace" It's one of the main things that occurs with the world government upon it's founding

[sand sail]

But the heads of state don't fear that kind of wrath either, the big fear isn't that the government would ever retaliate against them

The big fear is that the government abandons them

[cedar sinew]

and you have to know that everything is being done in secret. The "corrupt" side of the WG isn't known by the majority of the population. If Uranus was actaully in use and if the celestial dragons "threathen" the world to wipe them out, then the people being threatheed would know the exisistence (aka everyone, which is what your scope was)

[sand sail]

Countries aren't sitting around afraid that marines are about to occupy their island, they're seen as the good guys more often than not. It's pirates and criminals that terrify the masses

Those pirates and criminals are kept at bay almost exclusively by the government

[raven stratus]

In a way is that not retaliation? I agree with you that the modern WG isn't threatening with a cudgel but it is possible that is how the first realized institution, the original state that made up the World Government, used similar tactics to consolidate power

[cedar sinew]

but you just said they threathen to wipe out everyone

[raven stratus]

i do agree, countries nowadays welcome the marines and for mostly goods reason

[cedar sinew]

those contradict eacother

you either threaten or maintain it as a secret

they can't occur at the same time

[sand sail]

Yeh, that's a problem with theorizing about how the government keeps power. It's not about threat, and we know that because they require taxes to join the government

[cedar sinew]

yeah the heavenly tributes

it's a mutal contract

[sand sail]

They wouldn't be abandoning countries for not paying if they cared that much about dominating all of them

[cedar sinew]

you pay and we protect you

[sand sail]

They also wouldn't be providing positive resources and benefits to their constituents

^

[raven stratus]

hows that not just exactly what Big Mom and Whitebeard did

[cedar sinew]

the great cleansing was in relation to the pirate age too, not the allied countries

[sand sail]

Oh, it is

The World Government is just the biggest pirate group around

[raven stratus]

dang so many parallels, love this story

[sand sail]

Make no mistake, they are identical to Big Mom

Not Whitebeard, but for sure any crime group out there. They're just bigger and more approved of

And because they've been around for a while, it's the normal, so no one questions it. The ones who go against them are the criminals, just like Luffy is a criminal in Tottoland

[cedar sinew]

WG are actually way worse than WB

WB wanted to genuinely help out

[sand sail]

^ He did it out of kindness

[raven stratus]

la familia

[cedar sinew]

he liberated FMI and stuff iirc

[pure raven]

My logic follows this

Celestial Dragons have power or at least the very head/leader do which presumably is Im since they were deep in Mariejoise.
The rest of the world government nations effectively obey because it's easier to obtain wealth and resources from said countries through Tributes. We see this with Bellobetty's introduction.

The rest of the Celestial Dragons know this and also know their power is threatened but also it seems, at least to me with doflamingo, that they have information that is privy to only them which is why I believe they have to have some information that could shake the world to it's core and since we haven't gotten much on Uranus as one of the big 3 legendary weapons, and following just thematic stuff, I believe it's with them. But I do see your arguments and appreciate the feedback and explanation

[sand sail]

But if it were with them, would they really be so incapable of handling the pirate threat?

And if no one knows, how does that maintain their power?

[cedar sinew]

I'll agree that the national treasure, the cleansing, and Uranus are all interconnected in someway

[sand sail]

Having the biggest, most powerful army in the world, along with seemingly limitless resources and money to throw at problems, seems to really be all someone would need to consider them formidable

Even pirates are wary of contesting the government, and it never had anything to do with any hidden weapons really

[cedar sinew]

and also the other celestial dragons keep quiet because

1. they're stupid
2. They probably don't know anythign about the VC. And they definitely don't know about Im.

I mostly think about Uranus with the WG because of the great cleansing

unless you think it'll jjust be marines going around killing civillians?

most marines are marines out of justice. They wouldn't follow orders to randomly kill innocent people

and there would definitely be a rebellion

[raven stratus]

could someone remind me what the "great cleansing" is and where it was located? I am completely caught up just don't remember

[cedar sinew]

907

[raven stratus]

thank you

[cedar sinew]

it's what the gorosei mention in relation to the new pirate age

[fathom matrix]

It could be that they instead did some manipulation, where they destroyed/messed it up from the inside

so the cleansing doesn't have to be "erase" or "destroy" it entirely, but perhaps maybe make alabasta look bad or do something, that destroys itself or no one wants to helps it

cause they said "and incident happened at alabasta" not "something happened to alabasta"

[cedar sinew]

sorry, it's 908 if you haven't realized yet

907 was the shanks chapter. got them confused

[fathom matrix]

if they said that, it would imply the actual place got destroyed or harmed, but it's more like something weird occured at that location

IT COULD BE, that the cleansing means that a person in a position of power gets removed.

[cedar sinew]

and this happens for every single country?

[cedar sinew]

great cleansing sorta implies everyone gets wiped out lol

[fathom matrix]

wait, did they say great cleansing?

[cedar sinew]

this also hints a Void Century 2.0. Aka everyone except the gorosei/Im dies

[fathom matrix]

Maybe they once again started a civil war or a manipulated invasion, blaming the pirates, whilst killing off the royals and a good chunk of the loyal country

[queen arrow]

i'm pretty sure there's a joke command mentioning that line too

[cedar sinew]

but it needs to be bigger scale than that

it's not just Alabasta

or dressrosa

it's the entire world from what they're saying

[sand sail]

Maybe they'll wipe out every pirate owned island in the New World?

[pure raven]

That also matches wirh dragon finally making his move on them, Iva said he was chillin in prison just waiting

[sand sail]

That would certainly balance the scales for them

[cedar sinew]

and you can't really "manipulate" the entire world like that.

[sand sail]

If they can take out the Emperors and their crews in one fell swoop, along with the majority of pirates around, it'd be a loooong time before they've ever challenged again

[cedar sinew]

and you also can't do it behind the back. It needs to be upfront, because of how large the scale is. That's what makes me think it requires a special weaspon

aka uranus

[fathom matrix]

Well, again. Cobra wanted to see them, the Gorosei talked to IM, there was a photo of vivi. I think it's implied that it's just alabasta that's getting cleansed, not everywhere else

[cedar sinew]

do you think the Great Cleansing referes just to the pirates Bean?

[sand sail]

Yes, only because they're doing it in reference to how the Worst Generation has been kicking up trouble since Marineford, and the current alliance is what triggers it

Having said that, I can see them taking out a LOT of civilians too

[cedar sinew]

the photos were BEFORE the gorosei entered

[sand sail]

But the primary target, I can see being the pirates that are legitimately threatening their power

[cedar sinew]

the gorosei were talking about the cleansing. Then they met up

[sand sail]

It's not going to be just Alabasta for sure, it's not a big enough place in the world to be influential to some balance

I'd imagine it being like just Wano before somewhere like just Alabasta

[cedar sinew]

yeah I can see that since it's in reference to the equilibrium of power

[fathom matrix]

TBH, with how things are going down at wano, they might bet on the strawhats winning, and take on the leftovers

[cedar sinew]

the only thing that makes me think something else is if it's supposed to be a parallel to the void century 🤔

aka, everyone, not just the pirates. And history is erased

[fathom matrix]

Unless a great cleansing refers to a memory wipe

[ancient vault]

Do you think Luffy used a new and special technique against Kaido as his last attack that failed and that was what Kaido was referencing? Or just generally mocking his rubber powers?

[visual merlin]

I would go with the latter for now

[fast olive]

It was definitely a special technique

[cedar sinew]

yeah I had that exact same thought too

the elipses make me think it could be a new technique

[fast olive]

Kaido nearly remembered the name had to be quite something

[sand sail]

He only remembered "Gomu Gomu no", the thing that's in literally every move Luffy's ever made lol

I was leaning more toward him just generally ridiculing Luffy's style, I doubt Luffy came up with some special new move right then and there having only just gotten the haki

[median skiff]

sounded like he was mocking him tbh

[fast olive]

There's 3 dots he didn't finish what he was saying

He probably tried a red hawk with conquerors or something

[median skiff]

I still wonder if he went Gear 4 or just knocked himself out in his base form

[pure raven]

I want to see how Luffy fights with Advanced observation and Conqueror's armament

[visual merlin]

yes because that's how each attack goes

a red hawk with Coc wouldn't be super special or anything either

[fast olive]

I feel like he referenced his last big attack

[cedar sinew]

Thing is if it was a genuine move, it'd probably be revealed during their next eventual fight. Maybe it was a failed move, and Luffy will flashback to it but succeed next time.

otherwise it's just general mockery

[median skiff]

Would a Red Hawk with COC even make sense

[cedar sinew]

yeah why not

[fast olive]

Dude it would be a punch with conquerors lightning and fire

[visual merlin]

maybe, but there's nothing to take that from

[median skiff]

if you dont have to touch him, whats the point 😄

[fast olive]

That's quite something

[visual merlin]

it'd be a red hawk but stronger, it shouldn't be some special thing

[cedar sinew]

it'd just be stronger

[pure raven]

so speculation right cause this doesn't feel like a Doflamingo moment for Luffy atm where he needs time to rest. Kaido straight up didn't even seem really that injured to me

[cedar sinew]

why do you need to touch? For the flames?

[fast olive]

Maybe he went gear 4 king man

[cedar sinew]

his club is potentially cracked. But other than that he's still injured, but not to the level that Doffy was yeah

[visual merlin]

gears don't start with gomu gomu no

[median skiff]

Wonder how long he will be out though. If its to long the dudes will be in a pinch

[fast olive]

He can use his attacks while in gear 4

[cedar sinew]

also what do you guys think about Kaido's club being a saizo o wazomono?

even though it's not a sword?

[visual merlin]

yes, but he'd reference the gear instead

and even then, there's nothing to get that from

[fast olive]

Nahhhhh

[median skiff]

tbh Snakeman with COC sounds crazy. Just imagine getting blizzed by all those coc punches

[visual merlin]

him saying the words gomu gomu doesn't stretch that fair

[cedar sinew]

because it says "weapons"

(swords, spears, etc)

[fast olive]

Swords

[cedar sinew]

(etc = club???)

[fast olive]

Itd be weird also then it wouldn't crack would it

[visual merlin]

uh I doubt it

I think weapons is referring to blades there

[cedar sinew]

idk. I'm also saying this because only 2/12 have been revealed so far.

[visual merlin]

and Kaido's club doesn't seem any different than others anyway

[pure raven]

It feels like there’s going to be outside interference coming in mainly because Zoro is out. Luffy is arguably in a worse state than he was against doflamingo and all the straw hats with like the exception of Sanji and Robin are probably atm capable of helping Luffy. (I have so much faith in Robin guys)

[cedar sinew]

yeah probably Laww. It'd still be cool

[ancient vault]

Also why is Ace on volume 100

[visual merlin]

he was in the yamato flashback

[ancient vault]

What chapter finishes volume 100?

[fast olive]

Wano flashback

[ancient vault]

Yamato flashback is in volume 100?

[median skiff]

Will there be another "training" moment before Luffy rejoins?

[visual merlin]

nah

[hardy nebula]

who the joyboy is seems obvious to me (not Luffy)

[visual merlin]

luffy, maybe momo

[fast olive]

Luffy is dead

[sand sail]

Can't really be Momo

[median skiff]

🤣

[sand sail]

Since part of Joyboy's thing was the involvement with Fishman Island and Noah

[visual merlin]

true

then just luffy

[placid kite]

luffy is Joyboy probably

[queen arrow]

Momo can't afford to die for some reason

[placid kite]

or inherited his will

[cedar sinew]

inherited wills

not the same person

[median skiff]

I mean Kaido is quite sad that luffy went out

[sand sail]

Because he has to open up Wano

He inherited Oden's will

[fast olive]

Momo found a time travel guide in odens notes calling it now

[placid kite]

Luffy is the ultimate D, he’s been inheriting and fulfilling wills since Arlong park

[fast olive]

He was

[hardy nebula]

D is nothing to do with Joyboy

[placid kite]

Kaido is just a speed bump to luffy, luffy has faced harder things in the past

[sand sail]

Not only can we not decide that, it's probably wrong honestly lol

[median skiff]

i dont think he did tbh

Kaido just has ages of a exp advantage over Luffy

[fast olive]

Waido killed him I dont think he has faced harder things

[pure raven]

Maybe what i'm saying is nonsense. Is there a chance that Wano is an animal? That Momo is hearing it? How was Wano closed in the first place? It should have some kind of mobility to do that

Law is sightseeing while a war rages on lol

[placid kite]

Luffy has done so many things already that have defied logic and had 0 chances of winning

Kaido will be Laido end of this arc lol

[pure raven]

It does do it was reveald in Joyboy story when roger reached laugh tale

[placid kite]

Or die do idk

[weary cliff]

Luffy is the best guess for Joyboy, but I have to wonder about opening up Wano. If Oden thought it was paramount to get Wano ready for Joyboy, and he knew as much about Joyboy and the void century as anyone ever has in the story, then it points to it not being Luffy. Since Luffy will be the one opening up Wano, presumably so Joyboy will be able to come. Maybe I'm reaching, but it could be a set up for a subversion

[fast olive]

Wrong kaido will win

[visual merlin]

like?

[placid kite]

But anyways Kaido probably knows oden predicted joy boy to return to wano right now

[pure raven]

This a shonen manga watch him learn how to swim and challenge kaido to a swimming contest

[cedar sinew]

try to be serious please

[placid kite]

so that’s why he thinks joy boy will defeat him

[proper kettle]

I def. think Kaido ist going down in this arc you agree? They won't just run away like in WCI

[fast olive]

They're not going to run
They're going to die

[pure raven]

Kaido is going down

What is your guess what Momo is hearing? Sea kings? Or some other kind of animal

[cedar sinew]

the SHs won't run away. Kaido COULD, but he won't

[pure raven]

Kaido has to go down

[cedar sinew]

WCI's main objective was always to run away

[fast olive]

Kaido cant go down

[pure raven]

Luffy was dropped by croco boy aswell in alabast

[proper kettle]

Maybe that would be realistic in real life but you know the story has to go on, plot armor, etc.

[placid kite]

Enel, lucci, impel down breakout, wci.

[fast olive]

The plot armour is on kaido now hes the protagonist

[pure raven]

Kaido will die, I’d like Yamato to murder him but I’m okay with law doing it

[visual merlin]

you think these were more difficult than beating Kaido, his crew, and Big mom?

[proper kettle]

Stop playing xd

[pure raven]

oda has to show he doesnt go down easily

[placid kite]

what is different this time from those, all Kaido is a stronger opponent and in those scenarios there was a even greater power gap and difficulty

[fast olive]

Waido wont lose

[pure raven]

Shanks son is prolly the real joyboy

[fast olive]

Guaranteed

[pure raven]

momo is joyboy xd

Baby pirate king

[visual merlin]

there was not much of a gap between luffy and lucci, nor as much of one between Luffy and enel considering the matchup

[placid kite]

luffy has had harder challenges

[fast olive]

Luffy died

[pure raven]

Not as hard as kaido

[visual merlin]

impel down also was not as big of an issue, not as much as Kaido and his entire gang and big mom

[proper kettle]

Luffy def gonna fulfill JoyBoys duty anything else woulnd't make sense at all lmao. There was literally sooo many hints for this

[placid kite]

If your saying strongest opponent I agree but challenges no I don’t

[pure raven]

Luffy is on his way to destroy fishman island right know

[visual merlin]

It's not just the gap between luffy and kaido

[pure raven]

Marineford wasn’t really that hard for luffy because he had heavy hitters who wouldn’t let him die

[visual merlin]

even though again, Lucci and enel were both close to luffy

[placid kite]

Luffy has so many more allies

[visual merlin]

and they barely make up for it