manga-theories

[gloomy canyon]

yes it is

[rancid vine]

franky's one of big mom's kids

[gloomy canyon]

sigh

[gloomy canyon]

please keep this channel to serious theories only

[rancid vine]

I'm serious.

[gloomy canyon]

Well then you should write up why you think that with serious points. One off statements like those are just going to be taken as bait

[rancid vine]

Thanks for the tip. Legit. I'm new.

Franky's abandonment is something big mom would do. She's a terrible parent. And he looks similar to Charlotte Muscato. Plus, him being a cyborg could be part of Big Mom's ideal "every race" family, even though it happened after he was abandoned. The lack of a gap between the ten oldest sons and stuff might be him bieng erased out of existence, just for being that annoying. Again, Big Mom's a terrible parent. Something she would do.

[rancid vine]

Again, thanks

[gloomy canyon]

no worries

sorry for claiming your idea wasn't serious

we get a lot of people who just come into this channel to make some stupid joke theory and refuse to elaborate

[pastel summit]

the thing is, BM usually has children for a specific reason. Idk if "being annoying" is a reason to chuck out a 5 yr old.

like, dad part of a certain race, or she has them to build political relationships. Idk why she would kick out a child, when the only one we know she has has been Lola, and that's for blatant disregard for BM's will.

on top of ruining her only chance at reconciling a long broken relationship w/ the giants.

and I doubt a 5 yr old franky did anything similar

she may be a terrible parent, but that's mostly because she views her children as tools for her own goal.

[sturdy hawk]

Big Mom doesn't abandon children like that

[exotic echo]

Don't you think he would have said something by now? In the Oden flashback he talks about how he was just abandoned recently by pirates, I guess you'd think he would know which pirates those are & have mentioned it during the raid when he attacked BM. Unless you think it was even earlier than that

Like, infancy for some reason. Although then that brings up the questions that Choc has

[rancid vine]

Perhaps Franky was considered expendable because he was pure human. Maybe he did something super stupid, that annoyed everyone. I said being annoying because I vaguely remember that in the manga. Maybe bad translation, or bad memory. He could have done something worse to prompt being abandoned. But perhaps Franky was less valued for being human, in comparison to his diverse family.

Franky may not have said anything because of a past like Sanji. I don't know if he knows about what entirely happened on Whole Cake Island, so he wouldn't have such a bug reason to say something like that.

And with choc's question, maybe Franky's a different race. If Franky was a different race besides human and cyborg, that would be cool. It would explain why the man has three chins, besides him just adding that during reconstruction. It would be a good way to add new skills to his character, as well as possibly make him more popular.

And judging by the way One Piece is going, the straw hats might get a lot more diverse when it comes to the crew's races. When they go to elbaph, they might get a giant. They already have a skeleton, a fish man and Pinocchio. And Carrot looks like she migh join, along with a Wano Samurai like Kinemon.

I have a habit of writing essays. Sorry 😅

[pastel summit]

But there are a lot of BM kids who are just normal humans, so that's not a reason. I can't really imagine a 5 yr old doing something worse in BM's eyes compared to Lola. I'm also pretty sure Brulee said Lola was the only kid who has been kicked out.

and Franky knew that Sanji was being taken to WCI, where Big Mom is, so why would he not say it? Idk. I think that's a lot of convenient stuff for it to never have been addressed or hinted at so far.

and I don't see what would be the point of it if it never gets addressed.

Franky also didn't have the 3 chins prior to his body reconstruction. So that's 100% the reason why he has them. I do not think he randomly grew 2 extra chins because of he's some random race.

[rancid vine]

Brulee could have forgotten. Franky is 36. Bigmom had her first kid 42 years ago. So Franky would be one of her first kids, probs older than Brulee. I doon't remember how old Brulee is.

The three chins might have been achieved in maturity.

And perhaps during the raid, Franky's gonna confront big mom and say something about it.

[pastel summit]

perospero is 50, not 42.

yeah, I do not think franky "grew into" his chins. It's 100% because his body got fucked up, and he had to reconstruct it.

Franky has already encountered BM, idk why he wouldn't say anything. Like I said, a lot of convenience for it to have never been addressed or hinted at in any way so far.

[copper frost]

big mom had her first kid at 18 so she's 68 now and he's 50, franky didnt have 3 chins until the moment he fixed himself with the remainder of the ship parts after his body got heavily damaged from being run over by the sea train

[rancid vine]

yeah, can't argue with that. Imma hold out hope tho, because Franky hasn't had any big character development since Timeskip. Come to think of it, only Sanji, Luffy, Usopp and Jimbei have.

[ancient vault]

his dad is this guy

[rancid vine]

I actually see that, yeah

[zinc iris]

y'all trying too hard to give an important lineage to every character

sometimes the point is that they come from nowhere

[pure raven]

This guy looks like the old man who people think is Scopper

They both wear sunglasses

[dark palm]

Not even close to scopper

Just read what he’s saying lol

[full cairn]

where do you think SHs are going after wano?

[normal imp]

elbaf

[pure raven]

The afterlife

[marsh patio]

I think JoyBoy is Davy Jones, and has something to do with the origin of the Devil Fruit.

[dark perch]

Revolutionaries arc hopefully

[onyx ember]

elbaf

[tranquil rivet]

are these locations correct? Luffy seems so far away from anyone else

[weak arrow]

Yeah. To be fair, there's been a lot of time that either of those characters could have technically been on the move, especially carrot

[pastel summit]

seems about right. personally I think Luffy is closer to the horn than he is to the back, oda is sometimes weird with perspective.

[fringe tide]

Isnt carrot knocked out atm and momo probably moved by now since him and shinobu are trying to meet up with kinemon

Didnt rewlize carrot was that far away from the actual castle

[weak arrow]

It's been 30+ minutes. Carrot has probably already gotten up. Tbh the only real fighters that have gone down "permanently" are probably the numbers that have lost and mink upper guard. Everyone else is fair game

[polar bison]

momo is like wayyyyy inside the skull tho, which is in the center of the island. idk how realistic the idea of him finding his way back to its edge is

[modest skiff]

I could imagine a situation where momo gets scared of the island falling and calls for the seakings to help and they catch the island

[weak arrow]

Momo cannot call the seakings

[polar bison]

?

[weak arrow]

Shinobu just matures her way to the back of the skull.

[polar bison]

what would her purpose for doing so be when she's trying to meet up with kin inside the castle

[weak arrow]

Momo instructing her to do so and that waiting for Kinemon can wait

[polar bison]

,,,, i still don't think Momo could or would be able to catch Luffy

whereas i do think Carrot in her sulong could

[weak arrow]

Momo has been keeping tabs on Luffy vs Kaido throughout the arc. He’d be able to know Luffy will fall soon.

Momo has both his clouds and shinobu’ kite while carrot has a form that’s currently locked behind the clouds

[modest skiff]

I'm not convinced of that yet

[polar bison]

mama just created hera from the clouds

[weak arrow]

Well you should be considering it’s literally a fact. Shirahoshi is the only person in the entire universe that can.

[weak arrow]

And we see at the end of 1013 the clouds are still there covering the moon

[modest skiff]

That's how it looks so far, but feels weird to say we know that could never change. It looks like that's the extent of her power, but maybe not, and maybe people who can hear them can talk to them too

[polar bison]

tough

[sand sail]

The minks don't need Sulong to be able to maneuver in the air tho, so Carrot, Wanda or even one of the Dukes would still be a viable enough rescue option if they know

Problem is just knowing

[polar bison]

okay i've been swayed

we've seen carrot maneuver in the air idk if we've seen her or any of them fly

[weak arrow]

Maneuvering in the air is different. Unless you just want to fully give carrot geppou

[sand sail]

People who can hear the seakings can't speak with them

They basically already have it, it's a technique multiple minks seem able to use

With Sulong making it just super duper easy seemingly

[modest skiff]

yeah it seemed like minks have it as a built in ability

[sand sail]

Some at least, not like all of them showed it

But at least Carrot and the felines can

[weak arrow]

I’m going to go with it being a short term thing. Not something like geppou.

[modest skiff]

i mean the other thing is that, does someone really need to catch luffy? He's probably fine falling himself

[sand sail]

Might be, not much reason to think it can't be tho, especially if Sulong does let them use it

[polar bison]

^^^ i feel like sulong is the only thing we explicitly see letting them stay in the air for very extended periods of time, which would be required to catch up to a presently flying Onigashima

[sand sail]

At that point, could just be that Carrot isn't good enough herself to use it as freely, and that's why she needs it as opposed to like Nekomamushi just launching himself around like he could actually fly

[polar bison]

yea mohdoo i think i'm kinda leaning towards the heart pirates catching him now

[modest skiff]

yeah either someone catches him down there or no one catches him. He's literally rubber and prior to haki, his whole shpeal was that physical attacks don't hurt him very much

[copper frost]

polar tang just below and them saving and bringing luffy back into the fight sounds cool

[sand sail]

Yeah, Law's ship is still down there too for sure, so that's always a possibility as well

They also don't have to get back up to Onigashima at all

Luffy doesn't need to be caught

He just needs to not drown

[polar bison]

luffy can get back into the fight himself as soon as he recovers, a short term Gear 4 use is something he's demonstrated is within his purview for this raid

[modest skiff]

Is it that you guys are thinking Luffy will fall in water or something? Why is it assumed someone needs to catch Luffy?

[weak arrow]

I like the polar tang option as well just cause I want Jean Bart to do literally anything

[sand sail]

Whoever gets him just has to be able to either swim or run/walk on water enough that they can get him to land

Because they're over water still, mohdoo

As far as we knew

[copper frost]

need a showing from the heart pirate

[modest skiff]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, thank you, so then the idea is heart pirates show up in their submarine and catch him? I can dig that.

[sand sail]

Yep, there are plenty of ways for Luffy to either get out of this or to just survive

[weak arrow]

Because Luffy needs a hiatus. If he was awake immediately, he’d just go right back up to the roof this instance. He’d also have to waste gear 4 to do it

[sand sail]

He probably wouldn't be able to get back up to the roof immediately tbh

[modest skiff]

Maybe he will land on the bridge that they were building during Robin's time skip lolol

[sand sail]

Even if he wakes up immediately, at this point he'd smart enough to sit and evaluate himself for a split second

Then go do something stupid

[polar bison]

yea he'll be held up

i still think it'd be really funny if he and the law pirates blueno'd the BMP but the BMP are probs way too strong for that

[modest skiff]

Blueno’d?

[pseudo citrus]

When I first got to Enies Lobby and saw the WG flag, my guess was that the four outside dots represented the four oceans, and the central dot represented the Reverse Mountain, which linked them all together. Once I learned about the Road Poneglyphs and Raftel, I realized that this is obviously what the flag was referring to, and didn't really think about it anymore. However, after revisiting the One Piece theory that Mr Morj's video touched on, I realized that my original theory actually fits pretty well, but with Mariejois instead of Reverse Mountain. The WG/Mariejois is what keeps the oceans separated from each other, so Luffy's eventual destruction of Mariejois could be paralleled by the burning of the flag at Enies Lobby. One could even imagine Usopp being the one in control of one of the weapons, and being ordered by Luffy to fire it at Reverse Mountain/Mariejois.

[night jewel]

the way minks travel in air has been described as "flying" so I believe it might just be that. I don't think carrot has full geppou or anything, but she does seem to fly for a little bit ( not sure how else you could maneuver through the air if you didnt fly for a bit), which would be enough really

[hollow grotto]

I like this idea

[neat sky]

oda might see you

[modest skiff]

Yeah I’m assuming that destruction of Mariejois ends up happening at some point. It makes sense that Luffy would want to basically destroy the entire thing to unite all seas

I’m expecting Luffy’s fist just goes straight through it

[marble plover]

my mans has been watching mr morj xD

[spare spire]

Dunno why , i feel we are going to see Toki soon....no way u travel 800 years and have a small supporting role

[sand sail]

The flag's actually been explained. It's the 4 blues surrounding the Grand Line in the center

[pseudo citrus]

oh yeah? where was this explanation? I only picked up the manga after reaching the end of the anime in act 3, so idk

[modest skiff]

Haven’t seen any of his videos actually just heard people mention him here after recently joining the server

[sand sail]

Back in Enies Lobby, Spandam screams it at Luffy like it was a flex he cared about

Right before Luffy has Sogeking burn it

[modest skiff]

At the very least, we have more to learn from her. 800 years means she probably evacuated during the war right?

[pseudo citrus]

if she's really dead, the only place we could realistically get more info regarding her is oden's log, right? but I don't know what he could have written that would be relevant. me and my edible shoe are on standby

[modest skiff]

I think its possible she told him she traveled forward in time to escape people chasing here. Then he got to Laugh Tale, learned about everything and was like "LMAO IS THAT WHAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO? XD"

[spare spire]

It was based on this , but it's too far fetched ..toki already said , she can't go to the past

[last halo]

[pseudo citrus]

what if toki showed up, walked up to kaido, then zapped him a year into the future... "alright let's train for a year then we can fight him when he returns"

[modest skiff]

Razi one possibility is that one fruit goes forward and another goes back. But I don't think they would call him joyboy. He's always like "YO I AM LUFFY FYI MY NAME IS LUFFY AKA K I N G OF PIRATES!!"

The idea that there would be any reason whatsoever to call him joyboy seems silly.

[spare spire]

Whatever it is... I feel toki's part is not done yet

[spare spire]

Yea

[modest skiff]

We don't know about her power but if it turns out she can just make portals whenever, letting herself die makes no sense. But if it is some weird jank where further in futuer = longer cool down, maybe it was GG? Still, why die?

No theory i have gone over in my head rationalizes toki wanting to die other than some weird twist that she was actually suicidal, which just seems too out of nowhere. She had no incentive not to save herself

I think the joyboy luffy theory just feels good because cyclical things feel logical and neat. But Luffy being fun-loving could be compared to a lot of people. Hard to think of many major pirates that are NOT fun-loving. Shanks, Roger, WB, Big Mom could all be described as fun-loving. I'm not seeing any reason to think Joyboy, same as 800 years ago, or 900 or whatever, doesn't come back the way he described. If he was able to write whatever he wanted and had plenty of space, he could say "hey just so you know I'll be reincarnated not actually me"

[weak arrow]

Toki basically admitting she isnt going to leave Oden

[modest skiff]

I wouldn’t say that’s conclusive but I can buy it. It would mean any other Toki info is either in Oden’s journal or it’s just the basic foreshadowing that a time travel fruit exists and perhaps will be used

[tranquil rivet]

what? they can't be still over water

[river plaza]

Water where

[pseudo citrus]

we have literally no point of reference as to whether luffy is falling into water or onto mainland wano

[weak arrow]

That's what everyone thought when BM was falling

[river plaza]

Suddenly the whole plot changed but after Luffy gets up something big will happen this time

[modest skiff]

I honestly thought the issue with the island floating was it would squish the people in cities under it, meaning Luffy just bounces lol. But if it’s over water, that’s a different situation

I will lose my mind and never recover if Luffy falls on the bridge Robin was building during the time skip. Turns out people were trying to open Wano with a bridge

[river plaza]

Oh boy

That bridge is still mystery

[pseudo citrus]

tequila wolf is in east blue though

[modest skiff]

From east blue to wano

[river plaza]

There are people from wano in East blue that makes sense

[modest skiff]

Based on how long it has been being built for, we know it was intended to go extremely far and to go somewhere that is otherwise difficult to reach via water

All of this points to Wano or somewhere with a similar water situation

[river plaza]

Oda sensei said shanks will make his move this year I think if it's on the last Sunday of this year December 26

[grizzled fog]

If Tequila wolf extended into wano we’d have seen it by now, it’s quite massive, plus the CDs were the ones in charge of building that bridge, doesn’t make sense

[modest skiff]

I'd like "makes his move" translated by a panel of like 30 different world class JPN --> ENG translators

I guess it could be going towards it but not that far yet. And it can't see where it is headed yet, so wherever it is going, it is not in sight range yet

[grizzled fog]

We know it’s also being built from the east blue, so probably just there to the grand line

[river plaza]

They're still making the bridge right

[grizzled fog]

Yes

[modest skiff]

But why would they need a bridge so simply as to go to the grand line?

that slave labor could so much more IMO

[grizzled fog]

Having a bridge makes it wayyyyyyyy easier than risking life and limb to get there

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I guess having a super easy trade route would be great. Basically anyone has easy access to grand line

So you're saying your hypothesis is that the bridge is just being built for ease of access to grand line?

[tranquil rivet]

someone tell those bridge builders, sea trains exist....

[modest skiff]

It really feels like the bridge is something much greater than that

[tranquil rivet]

yea well 700 years ago there were no sea trains, but now it just seems pointless building a massive bridge

[grizzled fog]

The sea train connects just a few islands in the grand line.

[modest skiff]

Yeah but it’s been built for soooo long

[weak arrow]

IDR if they said in-story the purpose is unknown or not or if they're just hiding the purpose for us readers. It would be easy enough for the revs or honestly any strong passerby to disrupt this project, so I like to imagine its purpose is known to the whole world and everyone likes that reason, so no one fucks with it

[pseudo citrus]

the new world is between north and west blue

so to go from east blue to wano, the bridge would have to go over the red line

[grizzled fog]

Or through

[weak arrow]

We already know it's almost certainly in the grandline, if not the new world

[modest skiff]

Ok so then why is a bridge being built for hundreds of years to go t after the unknown time? Wano has red bean soup so it felt like a good reason but apparently not

[pseudo citrus]

my guess is that the bridge has to do with connecting islands that were disconnected during the void century, something like that... just not wano in particular

[zealous parrot]

@modest skiff some of these theories i just CANNOT BELIEVE THEY exist.IT WAS stated during the episode of ROBIn that bridge that was been built was in EAST BLUE so that means REVERSE MOUNTAIN exists between and ONLY (proved during the story) 1 entry exists to enter for the grand line/new world after soo ye that theorie baseless and without structure just some imagination u had on ur free time.

[amber oar]

I know it's not conclusive evidence but I find odd that we followed Roger's last trip in the same order as the SHs, except for Tequila Wolf and the Serpent Currents

We saw Roger go Jaya -> Skypiea -> W7 -> (unknown volcanic island) -> Tequila Wolf -> Sabaody -> FMI -> Serpent Currents -> Raijin Island -> (Island with a Poneglyph) -> Wano -> Zou -> (A port) -> Laugh Tale

The oddity of Serpent Currents between FMI and Raijin implies there were more detours in the path, but what if it was just an oversight from Oda. If it's the case, then there's a side of Tequila Wolf between W7 and the Red Line

[blazing spade]

The port is Lodestar I'm assuming?

[weary cliff]

Nah, Lodestar is supposedly untouched before they got there

[weak arrow]

that wouldnt be the first time they got their space

that would have been years ago

[weak arrow]

nah it just confirms calm belt crossage, not red line crossage

[weary cliff]

The roger pirates went to Lodestar before that journey we saw, yeah. We don't know if they went back. But it still doesnt follow that there would be a community there by that time when no one had made it previously in 800 years. It's likely just another island in the latter half of the NW

[amber oar]

Roger went to Lodestar 13 years prior. I don't think he really needed to go there again

Also Lodestar hadn't been visited in 800 years, like Laugh Tale. Which is super odd given Lodestar is reachable via Log Pose

[blazing spade]

I forgot about that, yeah. I guess its just super rare anyone gets that far in the New World?

[weary cliff]

It would be neat to see some reason for it. Maybe weather/currents are too much too handle. Gives Nami/Jinbei time to shine. That is if they go at all, which I begrudgingly admit seems unlikely

[weak arrow]

IMO lodestar would have become a popular hub akin to sabaody, but your point is possible as well. Disembarking from lode star b4 laugh tale just makes sense.

There's also the chance that log pose technology was not as prevalent or created except for over the past 50 years

[weary cliff]

I'm pretty sure Noland had one, however many years ago

[pure raven]

I remember there being a line about Noland

[amber oar]

probably new world log poses are more recent, dunno

[pure raven]

Exactly 400 years prior to Skypiea

Log poses have existed for a long ass time

[weary cliff]

Yeah it's a bonafide mystery. People certainly know about Lodestar, enough that it has an actual name unlike Laugh Tale. And people like Noland had actively been exploring the grand line. The emporers have only been a thing relatively recently, so there must be some prohibitive factor keeping sailors from reaching the end of the log pose that exists naturally

[weak arrow]

Rayleigh secretly the best navigator of all time?

Foreshadowed by his ability to find Luffy? I mean sure

[weary cliff]

Haha could be. I bet the Oro Jackson being as fine as a ship as she was plays a part too

[pure raven]

Wasn't Scopper the navigator?

[weak arrow]

no idea tbh

[amber oar]

we don't know the roles (barring Crocus), but Scopper is holding the pen when they're locating the map

[pure raven]

Seems like he's either ghost writing for Roger or he's plotting course

[weak arrow]

nothing is even on the paper.

[amber oar]

do you want Oda to write down a whole essay inside a panel that covers like 1% of a panel's surface

[tranquil rivet]

yes

[cerulean coyote]

A storm crushed his boat when he was heading to amazon lily. Doesn't seem that good.

[cerulean coyote]

You missed god valley in this list.

[amber oar]

You missed the word "last trip"

[cerulean coyote]

But it has always been his last trip, he was already dying when he met Oden...

[sand sail]

God Valley was 13 years before he met Oden

[polar bison]

super odd, or a testament to the dangers of the new world?

[pastel summit]

super odd for sure. people like barto make his way through the new world

[polar bison]

not all the way to lodestar

[amber oar]

The problem with blaming "the dangers of the new world" is that as pirates lose to each other eventually someone has to prevail above all of them, and theorethically that pirate wouldn't have any other issues to reach the last stand.

Let's suppose there's a super dangerous warrior, or population of warriors, sitting at the second-last island (and that supposed group is probably Elbaf). If someone can sort them they can go to the next island, and if nobody can sort them, not a single giant from Elbaf has traveled there in 800 years?

The only other explanation would be a natural phenomenon, but can you imagine a behemoth like say Kaido not being able to sort it? (not literally Kaido because he was too young for that feat, as he was an apprentice in God Valley a year after Roger reached Lodestar, but in 800 years there must have been someone, somewhere, as strong as present time Kaido)

[pastel summit]

but enough of it that "dangers of the new world" doesn't hold up. It'd have to be a very specific gate blocking the way to lodestar, and it's hard to believe it's so great of a gate that literally no one in 800 yrs except for roger made it, and then after roger, a bunch of other people in quick succession (relative to 800 yrs) made it.

[spare spire]

Well the anime just showed her die... So there goes all speculation 😂

[odd lichen]

Oda is watching us he could go the other way around easily

[modest skiff]

So that means her only real purpose was for flash back purposes to give us a glimpse into the war or to tell us the time fruit exists

[forest rampart]

Who started the theory of One Piece = Uranus ? ..coz I'm trying to find some nice theory on this

[pure raven]

Also to explain how odens retainers and momo ended up in the future

[dark palm]

also potentially to connect her to the void century flashback of the future

since that'll occur eventually

[frozen prairie]

It's still relatively unexplained how exactly Big Mom and Kaido actually know about the Red Poneglyphs, it is feasible that each of them reached Lodestar, just after Roger did it. I think most folks assume that Rocks had knowledge of this stuff as well, and so that'd be passed on to them, but that's a relatively big jump given the on-screen facts we know.

[ancient vault]

It isnt a jump @frozen prairie

He broke the worlds taboos which most likely includes poneglyphs and ancient weapons

[raven iron]

Anyone watched today's episode and feel toki might be alive?

[onyx ember]

No, I think she's dead

[dusky acorn]

How could you have gotten such an impression? Even if you want to go off the non-canon anime interpretation, all it did was seal her death even moreso. It showed her slumping down in a pool of blood

[raven iron]

I gotten the impression based on the comparison of oden and toki's death scene. Like oden u can clearly see he was being shot through.
At toki's scene, gunshot was heard, she fainted with blood spilling out. But i somehow feels that the sneak preview of the hair drawn at the manga was her. Just gut feeling. Well just a hunch. I might be 99% wrong😅

What if ninja girl saved her in time and kept it as a secret from everyone? Idk 🤣

[grizzled fog]

Why would shinobu hide that from momo

[green idol]

i think luffy will fly to kaido using 4th gear

thats if he regains consciousness

[grizzled fog]

That’s possible, but would kind of suck if he gets back up there himself

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, that sort of just feels like a non-development. As in, I don't think Luffy should have been made to fall in the first place

Seems moreso that this is pointing towards having some other character shine by saving Luffy, or extending that towards their gateway to even joining the rooftop

[green idol]

yeah but he was just using his bare fists

if he uses 4th gear with haki coating it will make him op

with ryou as well

[dusky acorn]

@modest skiff No joke/impossible hypotheticals please

[grizzled fog]

That’s what he always uses, and the fight was offscreen so he could’ve easily used G4

[green idol]

but he didnt

just think abt it. imagine he does. kaido will have a hard time

[grizzled fog]

Kaido did have a hard time

[green idol]

nah not barely

[grizzled fog]

Luffy fought kaido for 24+ minutes

[green idol]

he will if luffy uses g4 with ryou and haki coating

[grizzled fog]

Who’s says he didn’t

[green idol]

yeah but kaido didnt go all out. kaido is the strongest emperor so far so a kid like luffy who is barely 1st commander level beat an emperor

he wouldnt be able to

BUT SHIIIIIIIIII IF GO D. USSOP OR BUGGY D. CLOWN PULL UP THE STORY GON CHANGE

[grizzled fog]

Kaido is quite serious, he may have a trick or two left but it’s not as though he’s isn’t trying. And as for luffy being “barely first commander level” luffy is well above any first commander we know of now except maybe beckman, also he is going to beat an emperor, but not alone, and kaido has already been worn down by a dozen other people

Anyway that doesn’t explain why you don’t think luffy used G4 during their fight

[green idol]

yeah but if luffy used gear 4 he will prolly go unconscious given the fact he was alr exhausted. Everytime luffy uses g4 he either becomes weaker or he becomes exhausted and im saying if luffy uses gear 4 on kaido + conq haki coating +ryou haki that would quite make him op and we might see a victory against kaido

[grizzled fog]

Luffy is unconscious when falling off Onigashima

[green idol]

yeah im saying he might regain consciousness and fly up to kaido and give him a hit or 2 then go unconscious again

[grizzled fog]

What? What’s the point of that

[green idol]

im saying it MIGHT be a possibility

[grizzled fog]

What on earth would be the point of flying up to get a hit in, only to go unconscious again

[onyx ember]

yeah, what's the point of him falling unconscious again?

[green idol]

TO DEFEAT KAIDOi. BRUH i said he will be op with those advanced haki he just learned to use. and not just g4 we might see an awakening

[onyx ember]

next fight with Kaido is probably the last

[green idol]

yes

[grizzled fog]

How does it make sense for him to go up only to go unconscious again then

[green idol]

im saying its a PROBABILITY. given the fact the this show is shonen

shonen characters always pull up like 800iq during fights and always, most of the time, end up winning

[onyx ember]

that doesn't explain why he has to go unconscious again

[green idol]

bcz he will be super worn out for using his npowers again he will go unconsious AFTER delievering that ho

hit or 2****

[grizzled fog]

You think he can win in just a couple hits?

[green idol]

yeah bruh im saying g4 + conq haki coating + ryou haki will be very op and might defeat kaido. again i said this is a PROBABILTY

yes he rivaled kaido with his bare fists so 2 heats from g4 will be enough

[grizzled fog]

😬

If he’s that strong he’d one shot blackbeard

[green idol]

what? bruh i said this is might not certan

[grizzled fog]

Obviously it’s not certain, it’s not likely in the slightest

[green idol]

ok i mightve been exagerating 2 hits but yeah he will fight him and might end up winning

[grizzled fog]

Not alone at this point, it’s been made clear he can’t do this alone, and Yamato is obviously going to fight kaido

[green idol]

maybe marco or sanji can come up and help luffy

[modest skiff]

I've considered the possibility that Luffy ends up defeating Kaido and basically inheriting the alliance he made with Big Mom, but I'm not so sure Luffy would even WANT to ally with Big Mom

[grizzled fog]

Marco isn’t in good shape and is busy, and Sanji is being set up in the live floor with a calamity

Yamato is wayyyy more likely than either. She’s destined to confront kaido as some poin

[green idol]

is a betrayal a possibility or nah?

[grizzled fog]

By who

[onyx ember]

he wouldn't

[green idol]

someone from beast pirates

[modest skiff]

Not that it would be an actual inheritance, more so that Big Mom would end up wanting the same alliance, essentially for the same reason

[mild kite]

Sure, it's been a theme of this raid

[rancid vine]

eh, I want pudding to come back

[onyx ember]

Big Mom still has Elbaf, and is probably taken down

[green idol]

there is one thing i dont understand

[rancid vine]

👌 Crocomom👌

[mild kite]

Big mom could betray kaido in some compacity. Heck, she's already doing it now

[modest skiff]

Big Mom sure did hate Kaido right before they allied :p

[grizzled fog]

She really didn’t, not even comparable to her feelings for luffy

[onyx ember]

she probably will betray him once she finds the poneglyph

[modest skiff]

yeah it was more like an old friendly hatred lol

[rancid vine]

Big Mom kinda had a big role in the defeat of Page One and Ulti, so that's not gonna help the good relationship

[green idol]

if kanjuro was siding with kaido and orochi from before odens death, then why did kanjuro jump in the boiling oil then, ik that oden was holding them but say oden didnt, will he still jump in and sacrifice his life?

[cyan berry]

He's an actor

[onyx ember]

yeah, they were both on rocks pirates and they respect each other (Kaido is probably like a younger brother)

[cyan berry]

If everyone jumped in but him, it would've cast an awful lot of suspicion

[rancid vine]

But probs Kid and Luffy are gonna take down Big Mom and Kaido respectively, and they're gonna be emperors.

[onyx ember]

He was acting

[green idol]

true but thats his life

[rancid vine]

but still

[cyan berry]

a life he doesn't care about anymore

[rancid vine]

and luffy's gonna get gear five this arc probably, so he might just do it himself

[green idol]

maybe tama will convince big mom to not fuck around with luffy tbh i can see that happening and maybe a new alliance

[cyan berry]

A child's opinion is not enough for Big Mom to let go of a grudge

[grizzled fog]

Uh tama doing that is put the window with this new chapter man, she tried to kill her, in her eyes tama betrayed her

[green idol]

oh yeah i forgot

[modest skiff]

The fact that basically nothing has happened involving CP0 makes me think we are not as close to this being over as it feels. Right now it feels like the next battle between Kaido and Luffy is the last one, which is the basis of a lot of our predictions. But it feels like there is so much unresolved to where perhaps we have much more time left before a "conclusion"

[cyan berry]

We already know what CP0's plan is

[modest skiff]

What's the plan?

[cyan berry]

They plan on picking off the winning side when they're tired after it's over

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, and most people already agree Kid will eventually become an emperor, it's just a matter of timing.
I would like to see that happen in present story rather than epilogue if it is the case

[modest skiff]

I wish we knew more about how CP0 compares to an admiral. Based on appearances, CP0 might be in over their heads?

[onyx ember]

Lucci and Kaku had two years to improve

[grizzled fog]

Definitely, but they have a chance when the winning side is massively weakened

[onyx ember]

don't think they're admiral level though

[rancid vine]

I'm just waiting for the navy to turn against the world government, or at least a faction to go rougue. Smoker, Tashigi, Fujitora, Koby and even Sakazuki have expressed some unease about the way the world government does there business. Lets not forget Kuzan, Garp and Sengoku

[grizzled fog]

Neither are here in Onigashima

[dusky acorn]

@green idol Hey sorry but that editor comment is supposed to stay in #spoilers where it's pinned

[green idol]

oh ok

[rancid vine]

The paramount war almost led to koby bieng killed for trying to stop a war. He's bound to be sceptical

[modest skiff]

True, this could be a good place for Sanji to shine. If Luffy + (insert team here) beat Kaido, Kid (insert team here) beat Big Mom, then the secondary members could have a cool fight with CP0. Maybe a good opportunity to see the Heart Pirates do some stuff

[green idol]

i wish i can just time travel and binge watch one piece 😆

[rancid vine]

yeah, here here

[dusky acorn]

It'll happen eventually. it already feels like near the end of Marineford was building up to that, but Shanks coming in to stop the war stopped it from happening just by a hair

[rancid vine]

doesn't everyone?

[grizzled fog]

Idk if Sanji would have the strength left to do something like that after fighting a calamity but I would love that

[dusky acorn]

Smoker, Tashigi, Koby could all tell what they were fighting for wasn't justice at that point, I think they were about to reach some inner turmoil within their ranks

[green idol]

finally an arc were ALL the strawhats are getting their hands filler

filled***

[modest skiff]

Didn't Akainu try to kill Koby? It looked like it lol

[green idol]

yeah he did

[modest skiff]

So I mean yeah that's gonna make someone question the hierarchy

[green idol]

but koby has his own ambition he wouldnt give up bcz a marine tried killing him he alr knows that the marine job is filled with killing and life or death situations

i think Oda is going for a third times the charm saying

[tame vigil]

I was watching opening 23 again and noticed how much water was surrounding Luffy, could that be connected to the recent chapter?

[dusky acorn]

The 0:47 second mark of the OP? I saw Joyboy tweet about it, have to say I highly doubt it's foreshadowing

The scene pictures Luffy breaking free out of the water himself, or like by dispersing it away. But there's no way he could legitimately do that as a DF user

[pseudo citrus]

if he did legitimately fall in the water, couldn't he just wash up again like he and BM did?

[cyan berry]

Technically sure but there's no time for this, Onigashima is rapidly approaching the capital

[dusky acorn]

Yeah it's a possible scenario, especially on a stormy day like this where we saw the tides were fierce. But as said, it's not a great timing for such a development to pan out now

He'd have to do a pretty arbitrary marathon all the way to the capital as well, seems pointless when Onigashima is already heading there anyway. So I think he just gets saved and put back on the floating island

[pastel summit]

I hope not. I'm hoping that's just a unique thing exclusive to the waters near the waterfall and kuri beach. Where Onigashima is flying wouldn't be near there.

[ancient vault]

Octopus gang 🐙

[stuck ice]

I want to see something really unexpected like aokiji catching luffy on camel while watching the battle of onigashima happening from the sea,maybe he tells him a story about his past as an admiral and conflicts with yonko and maybe what blackbeard is planning while all this is happening

[cyan berry]

[ancient vault]

bro wants to ruin the story 💀

[cyan berry]

Unexpected =/= good

Hype for the sake of hype isn't good

[ancient vault]

Exactly
Thats why Moria enters the show soon

[stuck ice]

Sounds better then yamato or momo saving him

[cyan berry]

It doesn't

At least Yamato or Momo make sense

[waxen light]

it really doesn't lmao

[stuck ice]

[cyan berry]

Kuzan showing up out of nowhere to save Luffy then telling him everything he needs to know is garbage

[pastel summit]

he says, shilling for the horrible octopus theory

[ancient vault]

lmao it'd just be fun to see him back again

[gray flower]

If Yamato were to say have the mythical griffin fruit, his saving luffy would both be foreshadowed (not really because he just expressed interest in joining the roof fight but that’s good enough for me) and hype as fuck

[grizzled fog]

Yamato being able to fly is unlikely, considering they were trying to leave Onigashima with momo earlier but were unable to

[gray flower]

Unlikely yeah, but them flying away would also make them easy targets for kaido so there’s some reason to not want to do that

Esp considering kaido showed he would kill yamato without much thought

At same time Marco didn’t have much trouble flying into the battle so maybe it’s too unlikely

[ancient vault]

nah I want a Yamato vs Kaido showdown now

[unreal nova]

yamato and luffy vs kaido

[unreal nova]

but im not even sure lol luffy passed out rn

[versed swan]

Did Oda base One Piece's story on this phenomenon?

It's called Christmas Star. It occurs occasionally before but it disappered 800 years ago. It's a conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter! However, right now, it's again, occasionally appearing. IT APPEARS EVERY 20 YEARS!!!! it's visible before DAWN. yes, DAWN.
I don't think this is a coincidence, because:
•Just like what Oden said, Toki is moving 20 years forward hoping that when that conjunction appeared, the endless night of the One Piece World will end.

The Dawn Kingdom (Luffy, Shanks, Garp, Dragon, possibly Roger also) is related to that conjunction!! The will of 'D' maybe means The will of Dawn!!

Maybe Oda is not ending One Piece because he is waiting for Saturn and Jupiter to align again, IN REAL LIFE!!

I know this is a crazy theory but I was amazed how One Piece related to this phenomenon.

[gray flower]

Really interesting connection but idk what greater purpose it could have

[tired osprey]

definitely interesting

It makes sense considering other biblical references

Sodom and gomorrah etc

[latent zodiac]

Also the retainers and one traitor

[pure raven]

Somebody fact check that I don't know anything about stars

[latent zodiac]

The christmas star. Seen when the planets saturn and jupiter align and appears every 20 yrs, (happened last year on Dec 21) also known as the star of bethlehem, it supposedly led the sheppards to the manger and thus God.

[pure raven]

The disappearing 800 years ago thing?

[latent zodiac]

It apparently hasnt been seen since 800 years ago and just came back recently, if numbers are right it was last seen in 1220, back when the holy roman empire hadnt torn itself to shreds yet

[pure raven]

The end of times is near

[tranquil rivet]

theory regarding the grand fleet coming to wano? they have Luffy's vivre card shouldn't it be burning weeks ago when Luffy was knocked out cold the first time

[weary cliff]

Could be an interesting segue into whatever happens with Sabo next. Leo and Sai might have more info than the papers

[versed swan]

If Sabo is really in danger...

[mental root]

ooo this is intriguing. Leo and Sai could easily inform the SH of the situation outside

[last halo]

The information will probably arrive through newspapers. It will be kinda ironic. The country is finally opened to the world and the first news they receive, right after being freed, is that the whole world is in a huge mess.

The grand fleet will be saved for the final war.

[mental root]

yeah that would be the best time imo

[desert sedge]

ADVANCE COA ANALYSIS
Here's my take on how both levels of advance Coa works. So as we all know there are levels to armament haki, first is the basic level which is just the black coating or in some instances there are no black coating present like when tashigi cut monet or sanji blocked judge's attack.

Next is the advance level. There are two levels of advance Coa, both of them are showned to present as an aura around the black coated body part that they are going to use to attack. The only difference is that the 2nd level of advance Coa (internal destruction) allows the user to destroy the enemy from the inside, because the aura haki around the body part seeps into the enemies body.Now when luffy is trying to learn advance Coa in udon he said that he wanted to learn how to defeat and send the enemy flying without touching them and this was later revealed as the advance usage of Coa. Now my question is when luffy learned how to use advance Coa and used it against kaido on the roof. It seems that his attacks are still landing with direct contact to kaido. I think i finally understood why, and here's what i think. Advance Coa can be used DEFENSIVELY and OFFENSIVELY. I think we got confused on this part thinking offensive as like punching or attacking and defensive as blocking the attack. Dont think of it that way. I think the defensive use of advance Coa is when you cover your body part with the aura haki regardless if your going to punch or block. As long as that aura is present around the body part it is in defensive use. Meanwhile the offensive use of advance Coa is when you send it flying(Emission).

When they use advance coa level 1 DEFENSIVELY while punching the enemy, the aura around the fist/weapon will be the one touching the enemies body/target so it will look like there's no physical contact. (Example: zoro trying to hit the leaves and not cutting them because the aura that is covering the sword is the one hitting the leaves not the sword, zoro used this unconsciously).

Another example of the DEFENSIVE use of advance Coa level 1 while punching (the aura haki is like a forcefield around the fist and its the one making contact not the fist)

But when they use advance Coa level 2 DEFENSIVELY while punching, the fist will still hit the enemy because the aura haki around it doesnt act like a forcefield instead it seeps into the body not like level 1 that acts like a forcefield around the fist(this is what luffy is doing against kaido on the roof so there's still direct contact). Example:

On the other hand the OFFENSIVE use of advance Coa level 1 is when you send the haki flying, thereby hitting the enemies body from the outside without touching them like sending the force field to the enemy(Example: sentomaru hitting luffy or rayleigh hitting the elephant).

While the OFFENSIVE use of advance Coa level 2 still works the same by sending the haki flying, the only difference is that the haki seeps into the enemy(Example: luffy hitting the tree and destroying it from the inside).

Sorry for the long analysis, but what do you guys think?

[pure raven]

Implosion ?

[copper frost]

basically what's happening with internal destruction

[pure raven]

Isn't it more of an explosion?

[copper frost]

Oh shit yeah it's an outwards projectile yeah

[sand sail]

The analysis isn't bad, but the second form of armament haki isn't shot out really, it just coats and things bounce off if necessary

But haki of those levels also don't guarantee not being able to hit someone. You're still going to make contact if you really plunge your fist into them, and the third form of armament wouldn't really be no contact in general in the form of a punch since the haki has to flow into the other party as well

This is why you can see they do touch things, but can attack from a distance if they really wanted. This as opposed to the conqueror's imbued attacks that seem to be distanced by default

[desert sedge]

What i mean on this is both advance armament haki level 1 and 2 can be used offensively and defensively. Not offensive as physical attack and defensive as blocking an attack. Its more on the haki itself not the action of the user.

[sand sail]

No other series references pls @modest skiff

Strictly OP in here, dont' wanna give it away for another series

[sand sail]

Well, haki by default just works both ways. It's a force, just kind of pure somewhat energy that follows guidance and power by will

[modest skiff]

Oh sorry

[sand sail]

So, if it's coating you, you're not using it offensively or defensively, you're just using it

Even if it's jutting out from your body, you're still just manifesting it in a certain direction, and then letting all of it pour out at once

The same motion that would allow that to be an offense is what makes it a defense at the same time, essentially you're just putting on armor and smacking people around with it, and sometimes making the armor fly off of you as well lol

[desert sedge]

So your basically saying that the coating is like an armor, when you attack it increases your attack damage? And when they attack you it serves as protective coating?

[sand sail]

Yep, otherwise it just kind of exists. Attack/defense is entirely your maneuver with the power you draw up, but haki itself isn't really an attack/defend divided thing

[modest skiff]

That’s how I also see it Okama

[desert sedge]

Sorry, but I'm having a hard time explaining my analysis right now. I thought i explained it very well above. Did you read the whole analysis?

[sand sail]

Yeh, you said it was more the haki itself than the user here, I'm saying the opposite. That the user calls it up, but armament is just that, a weapon. Basically, it's like a sword. A sword just is, but you're going to be choosing whether it'll be offensively or defensively used

[queen arrow]

what i think Bean is trying to say, is that armament is like armor or a shield

you can bash people with a shield, and at the same time it protects you

[sand sail]

Yeh, I'm not calling the explosive or penetrating haki "offensive" as opposed to the "defensive" of just coating, since both can be used either way in whatever situation the person deems fit

For example, how Luffy uses it for defense against Kaido in...whichever chapter that was. 1011?

[desert sedge]

I agree with you both on the part that you can just coat and use it for damaged increase and protection. But i think its more than that.

My analysis also explains the statement of hyogoro and zoro's master.

[sand sail]

The problem with adding those in is there's no real confirmation that Zoro used more than just general philosophy at Alabasta. As far as we know, he wasn't using haki or had any knowledge of it, he was just using skill as a swordsman and some separate power that was never mentioned again

[desert sedge]

Yeah, but i think hyogoro statement kinda confirm it as haki. Cause why would they say the same thing

[sand sail]

Yeh, that was the big controversy for the chapter. Zoro's master and family were from Wano, and he taught Zoro that same philosophy

[queen arrow]

Zoro's master descends from Wano, and as time passed he could have just had it as a general swordsman philosophy thing

[sand sail]

But actually applying haki throughout your blade to guide it isn't necessarily what Zoro used, especially given he'd mastered that skill but didn't know how to use haki until Mihawk taught him

Yeh, the way Zoro describes it, it was a general swordsman's mindset he was striving to get

[queen arrow]

i'm on the train that it wasn't haki, and that Zoro just focused his mindset on doing it

specially with Zoro failing to cut Enel after that arc

[desert sedge]

That could also just be because he just awakened it and doesnt know how to use it again

[queen arrow]

then he wouldn't be able to cut steel constantly like he does pre-timeskip

[sand sail]

^ That's the nail in the coffin for it for me, he does master Shishi Sonson and can use it whenever he needs later on, but is confirmed not to be able to use haki till after the time skip

[queen arrow]

it's not even just with Shishi Sonson that he cuts iron

[desert sedge]

Maybe that cutting steel part is not haki, thats just more of a result of his swordsman skill. Idk

[queen arrow]

then you agree that he didn't use haki at alabasta?

[sand sail]

Well it was connected, like he cuts steel by applying that philosophy with "Breath of All Things", which I really hope comes back in some explanation besides "maybe haki"

[grizzled fog]

The cutting steel part was like the only part that could’ve been haki really

[desert sedge]

I think he did, but only at the end of mr. 1 fight.

[queen arrow]

what he did with mr 1 was literally the cutting steel part (or cutting iron to be more precise)

[desert sedge]

Yeah its kinda confusing really

But basing on old man hyo and his master's statement. I think he did on alabasta

[queen arrow]

then he would have to have mastered haki pre-timeskip, which contradicts him not being able to cut enel

[grizzled fog]

Bean or mate, are there any other instances of zoro cutting steel pre timeskip?

[sturdy hawk]

Well, Wasn't asura supposed to be CoC as well the first time?

[queen arrow]

he cuts the sea train, he cuts cannons and cannonballs at the franky family house

[grizzled fog]

We literally don’t know fed

[desert sedge]

Him defeating the priest at sky piea i believe

[queen arrow]

i'm pretty sure he cuts Iron Clouds as well

[grizzled fog]

Are any of those steel though? Iron is different, zoro might’ve been able to cut iron without the breath of all things or whatever

[sturdy hawk]

I think Hyo's statement is about Haki considering that's what Zoro needs to get better at to control Enma and it is also the main challenge

[sand sail]

No, people just thought maybe it was because Zoro's cool and they wanted him to have it

[queen arrow]

it's just a difference in wording i believe

[sand sail]

Sea train, Kuma, a Pacifista, and he can cut through Tekkai

He doesn't cut through Kuma but he slashes Kuma's shoulder open a bit

[queen arrow]

he doesn't really cut Kuma well

[sand sail]

He does however do substantial damage to the Pacifista

But Kuma and the Pacifistas are also stronger than steel, so I'm counting them

[queen arrow]

the point is that he trains to be able to cut it, and is able to cut it pre-timeskip

[sand sail]

For reference, this is what I kept talking about before, if anyone wanted it

[queen arrow]

yeah, it also contradicts Mihawk having to teach it to him instead of like, just noticing he knows it

[desert sedge]

Hope oda explains this soon. Haki is confusing tbh and now we even have advance coc.

[keen path]

Roronoa using ryuo or potentially advanced coc infused in his blade is gonna be crazy

[weary cliff]

I'm not convinced Zoro used haki to cut steel, even though it's very confusing that Zoro's sensei and Hyogoro had the same wording for the power. But even still, not being able to cut Enel isn't a nail in the coffin for me. If his ability to cut steel is something that he had to actively try to do, like using haki would be, it could simply be that he wouldn't think to use the power vs Enel

[obtuse gazelle]

Any idea or theory on whose Kuma was talking to here ? It seems like someone who’s taking direct orders from the Gorosei, yet I don’t think that’s Sengoku (the look on the den den mushi, and the VA on the anime isn’t the same as Sengoku) ... who could that be ?

[polar bison]

kong probs

[pure raven]

Kong doesn't wear specs

[cerulean coyote]

There are 2 things to be considered.

1. does Mihawk have CoC?
2. does he know that CoC can be infused into objects (like Hyogoro/Zoro's teacher say)?
   Maybe zoro always used coc unwillingly before ts (which blooms with strong opponents) and now uses CoA since he did not have a CoC teacher...
   Another problem arises with his air slashes: why shusui's passion cannon was stronger?

[pastel prairie]

Jojo gave me this idea. The best way to punish kaido would be eternal suffering. Kaido, trapped underwater, only wishing for a death that will never come

Kaido isn't confirmed to be a Fishman, that's a problem though

[cerulean coyote]

He could have gills...

[grizzled fog]

He’d die anyway even if he could breathe underwater. He’d just starve

[pastel prairie]

His devil fruit is a mythical form of a fish fruit. He could have them

[cerulean coyote]

He can walk to all blue and get some fish!

[grizzled fog]

He wouldn’t be able to move

[pastel prairie]

A Fishman with a devil fruit can't move, just like Jack

If it wasn't for his vivre card, Jack wouldn't have been saved

[cerulean coyote]

I dont know. In his intro, they said he was drowned several times...

[grizzled fog]

They didn’t say that I believe

[cerulean coyote]

That's the most strange thing of all. How he was rescued/survived...

[pastel prairie]

A search party was sent to the location of his vivre card

[grizzled fog]

? Why’s that strange, a rescue team pulled him out.

[cerulean coyote]

I have to learn again how a vivre card works then. I know it indicates location. How does it tell that you need help?

[sand sail]

It burns steadily as your life fades away

So the more injured you are, the smaller and more burnt it gets. The stronger you are, it grows and regenerates itself

[hidden tinsel]

Yo so rip Toki, i thought that maybe she survived and time traveled but in the anime she looks like she died died

[grizzled fog]

Thank god the anime made it even more clear so the dumb tokialive theories can stop

[pure raven]

Another day, another theory executed

[hidden tinsel]

Yea man, cause i was actually starting to believe that maybe it could have been Toki in the silhouette

Narrows it down to Hiyori yo

[pure raven]

I really wanna know toki's reasoning for not taking her daughter to the future

[modest skiff]

She said it was for redundancy. What if the future is less safe? No way to know, so keep one here and one there

[pure raven]

oh mb also damn sucks for her daughter

[grizzled fog]

Hiyori? We know her reasoning, it was too risky to put both heirs in the same place

[pure raven]

lost that coin flip

[grizzled fog]

If Momo had gotten caught right away, then Hiyori would’ve still been okay, and vice versa

[minor aspen]

its all about the prophecy of 20 years later

what if she is still alive

[pure raven]

the anime atm is looking like otherwise

[minor aspen]

she awakened her df just before she dies and somehow she has better control over time now

[hidden tinsel]

She was shot with multiple arrows and a bullet, i dont think she survived

[pure raven]

Story rule number 1 : if you don't see the body....

[fringe tide]

Didnt you know toki is whitebeards long lost great great great grandmother twice removed, she can survive a measly arrow/bullet if wb can survive cannon holes and face melting lava

[pure raven]

She can make good heal to the scabbards also if she is the shadow, maybe she can heal herself as marco

[hidden tinsel]

So You're telling me theres a chance

[pure raven]

Yes a possibility haha

Like sabo as example

[spark pike]

im my opinion the character's with the name "D" in it can eat or take control of multiple devil fruits. I think this because of blackbeard and what he did to poor whitebeard.

[pure raven]

Seem soft theory

[dusky acorn]

I think whatever is unique about Blackbeard to get that second fruit, it runs on an even rarer thing than him being a D. Especially since we're talking about something that has had absolutely no past historical precedence according to the Gorosei

And the initial doesn't really change physical attributes of someones body. What Marco alluded to and what we heard with his insomnia

[pure raven]

Yeah, and now we have the theory of the lineage factor, it's the more consistent theory since Mf

In fact it's also confirmed
"They"
"He cant sleep"
" Two devil fruit"
"Modify organism"
"Xebec"
Even if it's not confirmed, we are not at time to do these simplist theory haha

[grizzled fog]

The “they” part was most definitely referring to his crew

[pure raven]

Yeah, i supposed my all life that, BUT, all my life there is also a discuss about that

We don't know in fact, we know still too less to have a real idea

[mystic crown]

In the anime its heavily implied you can have two devil fruits for being a will if D as just as whitebeard dies he flashes back to Roger telling him about the D and promptly he gains another devil fruit but this could be misdirection

[modest skiff]

I definitely did not get that impression that it’s just part of will of D. That would be pretty lame IMO

[pure raven]

If it had to do with the will of D than I think Rocks woulda been the first to do it. Since he was known to do taboo things I find it hard to believe he wouldn’t have discovered that he could wield more than one DF just by being a D if that was the case. I think teach has done it thanks to either his DF or dude is just a freak of nature xD

I really think that Rocks was the first to do it, mostly because he was erased from history after the incident.

[sand sail]

No one in history has ever done it before, Blackbeard is the first. It's also because of his body, not because of being a D seemingly, so it doesn't seem that it would be a common thing for people with the D.

Likewise, it's been known and tested by the government directly that eating two fruits does what it does. If the D's, who really do come around often enough to be noteworthy as always kicking up trouble, were to have eaten two in the past at any point it would've been historic news, like Blackbeard's is

[amber oar]

If the Five Elders, that oversee basically everything that happens in the world, said in a private discussion that Teach is the first, Teach is the first. There's no way around

[pure raven]

Didn't WB say BB don't have the will of D of something like that ?

[opal portal]

Guys was Toki from the void century

[sand sail]

She is, indeed.

[opal portal]

I think white town was killed by the orders of imu

[pure raven]

If Imu was king at these times

But basically it change nothing, just governement has made shit

[opal portal]

But why did they kill off white town

[pure raven]

100 Years ago (so a long imu but why not) , they exploit the mineral of the white town
100 Years Later the life remaining was so down that everyone is killed as a long term secondy effect of the benefits of money of the WG

[wintry pelican]

I think the narrates of one piece is old usopp

[forest rampart]

Shanks said Bb was hiding his true strength right?

Makes me wonder of it's about Bb wears bandana all the time.. that is to hide his third eyes.
But maybe there's another reason of why he was hiding it.
Like maybe coz he doesnt want WG to know his true identity (three eyes tribe)??
Or some people bullied him in the past just like Pudding??

[cedar sinew]

that's just in relation to when BB was camping in WB's ship waiting to make a move

the bandana is just part of his design. And we've seen him without it

[forest rampart]

Yea.. but Shanks was talking about how Bb managed to give scars on his eyes in which Shanks said it's not because of he was careless..

[cedar sinew]

what does that have to do with him being part of the three eyes tribe

[forest rampart]

You mean he wore cap when he's a kid?

[grizzled fog]

We’ve seen a good amount of his forehead

[cedar sinew]

either when he was a kid or sometime before the TS we've seen BB without the bandana + the hat

[modest skiff]

when was this

[forest rampart]

Propoises (wiki)

Sleep

Unlike most animals, porpoises are conscious breathers. All mammals sleep, but porpoises cannot afford to become unconscious for long because they may drown. While knowledge of sleep in wild cetaceans is limited, porpoises in captivity have been recorded to sleep with one side of their brain at a time, so that they may swim, breathe consciously, and avoid both predators and social contact during their period of rest.

This means that the brain hemispheres take turns alternating between slow wave sleep and being awake. While one hemisphere displays slow waves, the other displays wake patterns on an electroencephalogram. It has been suggested that the brainstem controls this activity. All the while, porpoises also employ a minimal amount of suppressed REM sleep while swimming.

: Shanks told Wb to beware of Bb. Like maybe at the times he seems slow, he's actually sleeping.. But when he's fully awake, he is at his full energy thus is probably how he managed to injured Shanks.

to Mai

[forest rampart]

On Wb's ship

[modest skiff]

You're talking about like a million chapters ago when shanks visits wb's ship?

[cedar sinew]

We already know BB is powerful.
He's cunning and a good fighter. He injured Shanks with his own strength (his claws), that's just it?

[forest rampart]

yep

[modest skiff]

weird, no idea how i missed that

[cedar sinew]

is the connection you're making that he's a dolphine zoan or something

[forest rampart]

No. I'm trying to make the connection of him being a pure three eyes tribe

[cedar sinew]

what does that have to do with porpoises

[inner sphinx]

They mentioned his (bb’s) body is different ( marco right after bb got wb’s power) this made me feel as if something was different about his body physically. I thought maybe he’s one of those joint twins but then jimbei told luffy bb is trying to get his hands on others’ devil fruit powers and my theory became void

[modest skiff]

Am I the only one who assumed it is a bit of a team effort and that one of his crewmate's powers is essential for it to work?

The way they hid what they were doing to whitebeard made me think they have some sort of methodology that they don't want people to know about

[inner sphinx]

He wouldn’t want others to know how he does it; hence the cover.

[cedar sinew]

getting other Dfs power could just be to strengthen his own crew

like what Kaido does

[forest rampart]

(ping off)
The theory starts from here if you havent read it

Propoises, Whales, Dolphins..
they're sleeping by shutting half hemisphere of their brain..
Bb's third eyes is close all the time.. thus is half asleep by shutting half of his brain hemisphere

[cedar sinew]

that's not how it works

closing your eye doesn't turn off your brain

lmfao

[forest rampart]

It's just a theory of why Bb doesnt sleep.

[cedar sinew]

it rests your eye. That's all it does

[weak arrow]

I guess Hana is suggesting the 3 eye'd tribe have 3 separated hemispheres, each controlling 1 eye, like regular humans do

[cedar sinew]

yeah but regular humans can't shut half their brain and alternate sleep by closing one eye every 12 hours or something

[weak arrow]

half of dolphin's brains sleep (thus have one eye closed) while the other half is awake

ive made the same theory in the past, and I agree with it, although ive never applied to the 3-eyed part before, which could also lead into a 3rd devil fruit where as i thought it'd be capped at 2

[forest rampart]

I'm not good at explaining this but perhaps you want to see the original theory coz I think he has a better one (yea, not mine)

[weak arrow]

Basically the devil fruit essence just being stored in the brain, but since BB would have 2 separate hemispheres, thus sort of acting like a dolphin's in a way, allows him both to be awake 24/7 and control multiple devil fruits

[cedar sinew]

I don't see how what applies to a dolphine applies to a three-eye

the essential part is what actually allows BB to have "two separate hemispheres"

[inner sphinx]

Then 2 should’ve been his limit; jimbei said they are on a hunt for strong df; this doesn’t hold.

[weak arrow]

Well if you seem you need a part of the brain for each eye, you could have basically 3 separate brains for BB. One sleeps while the other 2 are awake

[weak arrow]

they are, it doesnt mean they're for blackbeard

we already saw shiryu get one

[cedar sinew]

so could all three eyes do this technique and never sleep?

[weak arrow]

and jesus burgess was trying to get his own

[forest rampart]

you mean this one?

[weak arrow]

Yeah basically that

[weak arrow]

If they're lobes function like a dolphin's then yes, but imo it's some weird genetic thing BB has or maybe a past injury

so only BB can do it

[pure raven]

The brain is linked to the gut. Maybe he has several. Hippo zoan coming soon as foreshadowed by his recent cover page of brushing his teeth with a hippo.

[weak arrow]

The idea is definitely inspired by another series though, i wont lie 😉

[pure raven]

Every Warlord is based on an animal. Teach was a warlord.

Where can I collect my Nobel Prize?

[grizzled fog]

🚪 ⬅️

[cedar sinew]

1. assume bb is a three eye tribe
2. assume having three eyes means there are three brain hemispheres and that you can avoid sleep by alternating
3. assume blackbeard is the only three eye tribe member who can somehow pull this off

🤔

[dusky acorn]

We already know his animal though, Hippo. Which as far as I'm aware doesn't have any relation to this kind of sleep pattern

[cedar sinew]

people use the multiple stomach things for hippos

but that's just a fan requested cover page unless oda said something beyond that

[forest rampart]

Hippo is about ruminents like cows, thus Bb has several stomachs. Also explained why he can handle 2 df, n explained Marco's words

[weak arrow]

I mean I’m not sure about the 3 eyed part but I sort of like it so it shows BB has a way of actually reading poneglyphs. It also allows BB to have 1 more fruit with my current theory so I like that too

The darkness fruit just means he doesn’t accidentally kill himself and he can choose which brain the fruit resides in

Instead of leading it up to fate, surprisingly

[pure raven]

SBS 95

[cedar sinew]

yeah I definitely think three eye variant of the theory is much more enticing but still feels like a stretch. Maybe if we got more hints to three eyes and any type of genetic changes. We also are assuming that each DF gets stored in a part of a brain.

[weak arrow]

I thought it was heart until the no sleep reveal

[cedar sinew]

haven't we also seen BB without the bandana

[forest rampart]

Yep

[cedar sinew]

therefore know that he doesn't have a third eye

[pure raven]

nope

[cedar sinew]

huh i might be misremembering then. I feel like he's taken it off at some point

[pure raven]

he's always wearing a hat or bandana

[weak arrow]

3 eyes, 3 brain hemispheres, 3 skulls on the Jolly Roger, 3 devil fruits 👀

[forest rampart]

The only time we saw Pudding's third eye before the reveal is at FMI
I thought it is weird that we didnt see any pure three eyes tribe since Pudding is a hybrid
(no.. Bb is not her dad...)

[cedar sinew]

3 skull jolly roger is the only concrete thing that really pushes these 3 themed BB theories

and I can't even deny it

[weak arrow]

If he was in luffy's generation of age, I could possibly spin it to be like 3 generations of his family but nah

[pure raven]

Teach also had twin siblings, didn't he?

Weren't there theories about him absorbing them in the womb?

[weak arrow]

you mean irl mashall teach?

[pure raven]

I thought Oda had a sketch laying about somewhere

https://twitter.com/newworldartur/status/1206999655088873474

Artur - Library of Ohara (@newworldartur)

Similarly, an early concept of Blackbeard having two little sisters (also unclear if they'll ever be canon). They are described as being polite and kind. In Oda's sketches, he drew a shocked Ace reacting to them, implying this might've been a scene he had in mind at some point

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One Piece Magazine if I recall correctly

[forest rampart]

Maybe Oda wanted to imply that Ace was suprised coz he saw the sisters have third eyes above their head.. unless he didnt draw it since it's a secret

[waxen light]

Lol

[forest rampart]

Even Bb's mom wore a hat except the sisters

[pure raven]

This is more tinfoil theories now but I'm here for it

[forest rampart]

Wonder if they're alive

[hollow walrus]

Pandaman gonna be a part of the story some time soon?

[pure raven]

Jesus Burgess backstory will involve Pandaman

Mark my words, there will be a world final for wrestling in the One Piece world and the final will be Panda vs Burgess

[sacred hawk]

I really want a fight to happen in this basement floor

[grizzled fog]

Wasnt yamato there earlier? With shinobu?

[sacred hawk]

Maybe when Kid and Law fight Big Mom, they break a hole through the floor or somthing?

[sacred hawk]

No that was the first floor attic

[grizzled fog]

Have someone get smashed into the pine glyph and knock themselves out

Oh

Well I meant before that

[sacred hawk]

I'm not sure

[sacred hawk]

Also, since Tama needs to explicitly give an order to all the gifters that ate dango in order for them to change sides, she'd need a way to broadcast herself across the island

She could probably do that with Bao Huang's power. And Bao Huang was last seen on the 2nd floor stage, where Tama was headed.

Therefore Tama vs. Bao Huang confirmed

[weak arrow]

you don’t need bao huang to broadcast

But I agree with the idea

[grizzled fog]

Usopp shooting a dango into Bao Huang’s mouth sounds better to me

[weak arrow]

That’s cause it’s the best idea

Usopp sniping a dango into the mouth of a fleeing flying squirrel that’s using evasive tactics to 1-up what he did in dressrosa

[uneven meteor]

I guess next chapter will be sanji saving luffy and takes him to where chopper is and fight with Queen maybe and likewise other perilous arc luffy loses and comes again

[amber oar]

who has her face covered on top of that

Come to think, sniping a moving target could involve future sight... but I'm not sure Oda will make that step

[pure raven]

KayaXUsopp thoughts?

though oda say no romance

[hexed pilot]

Thats not much if a theory

[steel crater]

Ok, I have a theory that's probably nuts, and I don't have a ton of evidence for it. But it's not out of nowhere either. And I doubt I'm the first person to come up with it. It's based on the Op Op Fruit, and the ability to make someone immortal at the cost of the user's life that Doflamingo alluded to. The fact that it's been alluded to means that'll probably be an element later on in the story.
Two possibilities for this are Law using this to make someone immortal (I've heard theories about this before. Like Luffy so he can live after the end of the series despite all the shit that's happened to him.) Or, the theory I'm interested in, that this power's already been used by a previous holder of the fruit in the past.
Now, thinking of characters that already exist, there's only one character I can even conceive of being immortal. And it'd potentially be an interesting plot point if he was considering the power he wields over the world as a whole. Im. It might be a long shot, but I'm saying there's a chance Im is immortal, and potentially hundreds of years old.

[mystic crown]

👍

[hexed pilot]

Ye i figured Im had it done on himself

[pastel summit]

Yeah it's a pretty common theory that Im has had the eternal youth surgery.

[steel crater]

I assumed I wasn't the first to come up with it, but I didn't really know where to check for other people having it. Probably Reddit would've done now that I think of it though.

[amber oar]

ships aren't really theories. That said, it's one of the least farfetched. But this channel isn't intended to discuss ships.

[steel crater]

Seems like a great place to discuss ships. Like theories on how adam wood grows and why it's so good for ship building.

[torpid rampart]

Adam got a strong wood

It's really hard

[supple nimbus]

And tall

[pure raven]

can we say that what happened back in God Valley is very similar to what is happening now?

Garp & Roger (yonko level) vs Rocks Pirates (prodigy rookies)

[zinc iris]

Garp and Roger too were newcomers

[pure raven]

garp
yonko level
Yeah no

[snow cloak]

I mean whitebeard and Roger would have fought in equal stance(if WB got his df).
Big mom,shilki and garp would be fought equal.There also the captain and vice captain in rocks pirates.Probably they didn't have worked as team.Or garp was strong at the time like garp is older than Roger.

[dusky acorn]

It's similar in that the main two enemies are the "Return of Rocks" as remnants of the crew, but the context of the battle has a fair share of differences.

As opposed to God Valley, there's not much if any hard marine presence on the scene. Drake at least is one person who is, but not openly. Incidentally it means the nature of the temporary alliances are different. It's several pirate crews + samurai + minks + etc. As opposed to Roger Pirates + Marines.

The battle is also taking place on the villain's home ground as opposed to Rocks heading out to raid the Celestial Dragons/slaves, more groups of people who aren't a factor in this current conflict.

[ancient vault]

I doubt there was a VC in rocks crew

[neat sky]

i have a crazy theory
yall know how saul was jaguar D saul
and he is a giant
so there might be a chane a very slim chance of raftel being a country of variouse races. some what like totto land
but there they had all the races

[mystic crown]

Shanks sword ate a devil fruit which is why he can compete with yonko but mihawk can beat him in a sword fight

[neat sky]

but it does not have any odd features

[mystic crown]

The fact that it isnt a black blade

[cyan berry]

people tend overvalue black blades

Whitebeard had a supreme grade blade

was the world's strongest man even without a black blade

[mystic crown]

I propose it ate the fish fish fruit model white drsgon

[cyan berry]

Both Enma and Ame no Habikiri weren't black blades

[fallow knot]

Guys I was reading 1st invasion of mongols on Japan. And I found the troops on both sides have exact no mentioned in wano arc. And invasion was divided in 3-4 battles. And in last battle the mongols were defeated by a storm came from east.

[mystic crown]

The storm is the luffy because he came from the east blue

[split ledge]

Dragon 🤔🤔🤔

Garp & luffy🙄🙄

[fallow knot]

Iif u see battle of edd gold lion vs Roger. Roger destroyed shiki's fleet by bringing an storm. I guess something same gonna happen here. And it will be awesome to bring out luffy's full potential of coc

[neat sky]

but luffy is already using advanced coc right ?

[split ledge]

No one knows…
Its the potential of ODA how much he can stretch it

[neat sky]

lol. u never know

[cyan berry]

Roger got lucky there with the storm

[fallow knot]

But if u see the battle of Ed Roger simply wiped all the ships just by storm. Luffy still has a long way to go

[cyan berry]

No he didn't

It's outright stated that Roger would've lost if he didn't get lucky with the storm there

[fallow knot]

We just can't say tht storm is Roger's coc Or related somehow to d or a coincidence. It's upto oda😅

[night jewel]

Krieg's fleet also escaped mihawk because of a storm, there is nothing special about it, its just luck based on the unpredictable weather of the grandline

[river plaza]

Still no leaks of new chapter

[slow glacier]

i think Oda meant as a strawhat x a strawhat member would be less likely to happen
however, maybe a straw hat member x another person outside of the crew may happen
either way, the series doesn't need romance imo

[fallow knot]

Guys after reading about 2nd invasion I got details on onimaru and a very interesting detail of sun godess amaterasu. Maybe Imu's real identity is sun godess amaterasu

About onimaru it's a Inari Okami

[heady cairn]

I saw people saying that Dragon is Xebec. After god valley incident, xebec didn't die, he was considered dead, but he run away and admit other name (Monkey D Dragon).

[heady cairn]

I think it can be, but in real I don't have ideia of the identity of Imu

[fast hollow]

Not possible dragon is son of garp...and garp was soo young that time then its obious dragon may be 2-3 years only

[fallow knot]

Guys I had spend some hours on Japan mythology. And here I found some clues.
1.Izanagi (creator of world) created onogoroshima.
2.Izanami,wife of izanagi died due to burning on the birth of her first child (God of fire) . Maybe ace's df

3.Izanagi has 3 children 1.amaterasu(godess of sun) Godess of storm and seas. Maybe shirahoshi
2.Tsukyonomi otoko(moon deity) not much details but her name suggests otoko might be the one
3.susano had a split personality good and evil suggests might be black beard

4.Izanmi had a sun named Hiruko rejected by hiss parents due to birth without bones and dropped to sea, was a God of fisherman and luck. He might be joyboy
5.there is mentioned seven lucky gods Hiruko one of them might be D clan. We also now 7 D names(Trafalger, eustass, monkey, gol, rocks, marshal, saul)

Maybe izanagi is imu trying to resurrect izanami

[heady cairn]

I didn't think of it, it makes sense

[fallow knot]

Plz read if u find anything helpful

[rancid vine]

Xebec was too chaotic to be Dragon. I mean, you don't see the revolutionaries killing each other for no reason. You don't see them kill each other at all.

[heady cairn]

We don't know much about the revolutionaries, but I don't think they are much chaotic or violent.

[rancid vine]

Hey, just thought of this. Otoko's fruit's kinda op. What if that's Jupiter? It has the potential for dominance of every zoan user in existence, including over powered mythical types. It has as much potential for animal control as Poseidon. Maybe more, if you can get sea kings to eat the dumpling thingies.

Your thoughts, anyone?

[fallow knot]

Read my post she can be moon deity

[rancid vine]

That's my point.

[rancid vine]

Yeah, that gave me the idea. But moon deity means nothing to me. I don't see what it could represent.

[coral zinc]

yo

just dropped in

it's really weird but i think rockstar is rocks d xebec

he resembles him like crazy, and also the name matches

[rancid vine]

also, Otoko was called Otoko as a pun. She even says this. In Japanese, the word for "boy" is "otoko". But it's popular for girls names to have some random thing (amybe particulars, idk) and "ko" at the end. Oda did this as a joke. He confirmed it.

[coral zinc]

nope, no fucking way

[fallow knot]

Tsukyonomi Otoko's gender was unkown.

[rancid vine]

BRUH

I meant Tama. My Bad. TAMA's fruit might be Jupiter. Mixed them up. Read my other message for points.

[tired osprey]

its already proven it doesnt affect real zoans...

[heady cairn]

Which is otoko's akuma no mi?

[cyan berry]

Going to assume you mean Tama, not Toko but anyway, we know pretty much everything there is to know about Tama's fruit

It's name is the Kibi Kibi no Mi (for Kibi dangos, the food she makes) and it only controls animals, not actual Zoan fruits

A random devil fruit being one of the ancient weapons would be pretty stupid

[heady cairn]

I agree

[fallow knot]

I also found yomi(underworld) was ruled by izanami after her death. And when she cursed izanagi to kill thousand men in a day he sealed the entrance of it by putting a Boulder on entrance. Later yami was ruled by izanagi son susanoo(Blackbeard)

[cyan berry]

what

Blackbeard's fruit is the Yami Yami no mi

Not yomi

[copper frost]

Yomi Yomi no Mi is Brook's

[fallow knot]

Yami yami no mi also relate to underworld

[cyan berry]

And even then, what exactly are you trying to say here

No it doesn't

It's just darkness

[copper frost]

There's not a single mention in the series that it's related to the underworld, it's the concept of darkness

[heady cairn]

I think I know where ARPIT want to get, but it's so much information and Im not understanding so much the relations between this mythology and one piece

[surreal plume]

I'm ready to bet my money that the marine will perform a buster call on Onigashima. There is 20 billion of berries up there. Above the ocean.

[cyan berry]

Marines have their hands full with the warlords

I also don't think they would want to get on the badside of 2 Yonkos and like 8 supernova

Also Onigashina is currently headed to the flower capital

A buster call there would mean destroying most of Wano as well

[pure raven]

Well marines not coming to wano and neither shanks or sabo that is for sure

[pure raven]

Also marine would just destroy wano or other country on buster call

As they dont care about people in name of justice for sacrifices are required to erase injustice especially sakazuki

[cyan berry]

Ohara was destroyed because if even one scholar got out, the world could be destroyed

Wano is just full of normal citizens

[pure raven]

Well sakazuki is different he destroyed the ship carrying civillians

Also in enies lobby there were marine too still they fired cannons too

[cyan berry]

Yes for the same reason I mentioned before

[grim axle]

At this point, does everyone believe that the grand line will be destroyed?

[pure raven]

No
I dont

[grim axle]

Then how will sanji achieve his dream?

[pure raven]

Redline you mean ?

[grim axle]

Yes

[pure raven]

Well still never mentioned in the series or any clue about so cant say for sure that destryoong red line will then make all blue to appear.
All these are possible theories

Also i think maybe the ancient kingdom (which was at laughtale maybe ) is where all blue is located

[fallow knot]

My bad yomi is a land of darkness. And I know his df is yami yami no mi but bb is susanoo and he was the ruler of yomi. Thts all I m saying

There is one more thing susanoo killed orochi by using ame no habakiri

Might be bb coming to wano

[copper frost]

Arpit bhai, Yomi Yomi no Mi is the revival fruit, yomi is the underworld yes but it is reference to the revival of the soul back from the underworld, Yomigaeru/蘇る/甦る means "to be revived"

[split meadow]

Enel is the real protagonist

😳😳

[fallow knot]

Bro I m not relating yomi to yami yami no mi. I m just saying bb got power of izanagi now

[thick sky]

Isn't it getting other series guys

Oh sorry its not. my bad

[heady cairn]

😳

[crude snow]

I thought navy plan to let the straw hat and kaido’s alliance collide each other and then take action.
plus, with CP0 standing by there since they also had a business with Kaido.

[delicate sedge]

Izanami is the one that vowed to kill 1000 people each day, while Izanagi said he will beget 1005 people everyday. Izanagi was not cursed to kill in any moment of the mith

[pure raven]

I've been hanging onto the Black Ship theory from real history

seems less likely that the navy slides in with the passing of chapters

[blazing orbit]

the world government import marines weapon supply from wano so thats probably why cpo were there

[pure raven]

Cpo are supposed to be strong, they could make a move after the war when everyone is weakened and injured

[modest skiff]

I can't decide in my head if I think cp0 are stronger than admirals or not. It feels like, based on their description, perhaps they should be. But maybe they aren't?

The way they conduct themselves in Wano is as if they do not feel even slightly in danger

[zinc iris]

because they don't have to be admiral level to simply escape the place if they are threatened

[modest skiff]

I would imagine its actually extremely difficult to escape Kaido's Wano, but perhaps they feel safe from Kaido. And likely CP0 have some interesting techniques for escaping, given their job description

[zinc iris]

well they just have to be strong enough to get away which is a far lower bar than being able to fight kaido

[cyan berry]

they all have soru and skywalk

which should be more than enough to escape given the chaos

[zinc iris]

and yes all having geppo makes it so the island being in the sky is a nonissue for them

[queen arrow]

running away is much easier than fighting

perhaps they even have a devil fruit user that could help with that like Blueno

[cyan berry]

i do wonder what the reader opinion will be if CP0 were the main antagonists of an arc again

[zinc iris]

i doubt it will ever happen

[modest skiff]

I mean CP0 must be the enemy again eventually, just a matter of when

[zinc iris]

but I find hard to elaborate why

[modest skiff]

I find it more likely CP0 will be an enemy when attacking MarieJois

[cyan berry]

i dont mind them being enemies, i just wonder if they'll ever be main antagonists of an arc

[zinc iris]

it's more a matter that none of them should realistically be a match for luffy now so they are going to be a different kind of problem

[cyan berry]

maybe elbaf or something

yeah that's the biggest reason entry

[queen arrow]

i like CP-0 just being side antagonists

[modest skiff]

The fact that Luffy kind of outgrew them before fighting them is part of the reason I am thinking they are stronger than admirals. When would CP0 be interesting if we assume Zoro can go wreck them whenever he's healed?

[queen arrow]

with them being a political force instead of a main threat fighting force

[zinc iris]

if they were stronger than admirals they wouldn't be intelligence to begin with but straight enforcers

[leaden wagon]

Calling it
Luffy lands on next boar mountain god
Tames it
Rides it into the next battle

[cyan berry]

we would have heard or seen another mountain god if Wano if that was the case

that thing was gigantic

[zinc iris]

CP0 exists mostly because the CP9 was too weak to realistically be the strongest CP unit of the WG
but CP0 per se can just be on the level of the upper tier of Vice Admirals

[queen arrow]

it doesn't make sense for them to be stronger than admirals

[icy obsidian]

Guys when is the next spoiler?coming out isnt it today?

[night jewel]

well tbf, the mountain god seemed like someone that the people hadnt seen all this time, he was a myth, so i wouldnt be surprised if he is hidden somewhere again

[leaden wagon]

There was the baby that ran off after Oden slayed the parent

[zinc iris]

monday is not unprecedented but at this point tomorrow is more likely, also not the best channel to discuss this

[night jewel]

@icy obsidian in about 16 hours, for future reference, just check the message in #spoilers instead of asking here

[cyan berry]

Oden didn't kill it

the parent lived

though i doubt he intended that

[zinc iris]

parent got fucking cut in half but stitching it back together made him survive

[icy obsidian]

Okay sir thnx💥❤️

[night jewel]

np

the mountain god was a pretty weird balloon like creature, somehow the people it ate were perfectly fine too.

[zinc iris]

because it ate them whole

it's like the wolf of red riding hood or pinocchio's whale

[night jewel]

eh, its stomach acids should have melted the people lol. but yea, it was already a pretty weird creature so i am not too shocked that it was alive, wonder if we will ever find out what it is

[zinc iris]

we don't know how strong the acids were and the boar was cut in minutes from the rampage

[night jewel]

wouldnt say it only took a few minutes, atleast enough time passed for the boar to reach the flower capital from okobore, where tsuru and the other 3 were eaten, so they definitely should have melted in that time . i am pretty sure its just a really weird creature lol, not sure any normal creature could be stiched back together after dying lmao

but yea, I wouldnt be surprised if it could hide itself somehow, considering his existence was just a myth despite his massive size, not that I think luffy will meet it, but its still not "impossible" or anything

[zinc iris]

to this day i still wonder what was the deal with the octopus yelling yooo

[shrewd haven]

whens ep 1014 coming out

[sonic plaza]

ep?

[shrewd haven]

i mean the chapter*

[sonic plaza]

• spoilers should come out in the next 12 hours
• more detailed spoilers come out Weds.
• unofficial scans come out Thurs.
• official fan translation comes Fri.

i recommend you dont spoil yourself tho

[shrewd haven]

ty sit

[mint arch]

i just got an idea watching toki s death. What if she had awakened her df and she can alter the future by her prophecies, or create timelines that these prophecies happen. It actually suits with the fact that she said "i can help"(although she did not say it in the manga") before she ended her prophecy.

dont know if this already was theorized but it sounds cool

[queen arrow]

that sounds pretty dumb

[modest skiff]

I started to somewhat suspect this. It felt like she was changing the future rather than speaking in riddles. But it would be kind of whack and I'm not sure I'd like that. But it started to feel possible

[amber oar]

The 9 shadows thing isn't a prophecy, it's a promise, a vow for the future. It's her send off for the Scabbards, because she knew it had to be 20 years in the future. It's not unlike WB's last words about the world being turned upside down. She didn't even know one of the 9 shadows was a traitor, nor she knew Izo would join the fight

Also her ability was quite straight up, no need to inventing weird stuff

This is why I dislike the concept of awakening not being explained, people can theorize the wildest and senseless things about it

[leaden wagon]

Just found the panel where the mountain God got stitched up, interesting
Wonder if it will make a reappearance lol

[modest skiff]

I mean to be fair Jugol, if the string dude "awakening" means he gets to turn all matter into string, that's pretty wild and basically opens up anything for other devil fruits

based on that for all we know an awakened gravity fruit can cause the entire solar system to converge. Its just so wild to be able to turn everything into string

[queen arrow]

he doesn't turn everything in to string

[modest skiff]

ok well he turned buildings into string, that alone is totally nuts

[queen arrow]

but it's not everything, and nowhere as absurd as the time power awakening in to basically omnipotency

[modest skiff]

I'd argue a time travel fruit is already totally nuts but yeah omnipotence is essentially what that description turns into. It might be that awakening is the only reason she ended up going 800 years in the future. We basically know nothing about awakening

[queen arrow]

what

[vestal rampart]

yea, i'd expect not every paramecia awakening is like doffy's or katakuris

[queen arrow]

it's a power that solely lets the user go to the future

[vestal rampart]

^

[modest skiff]

right but similar to other fruits, perhaps as she gets better, she can send more people. Perhaps as she gets better, she can go further. The ways that devil fruits scale/improve kind of varies

[queen arrow]

it's not that much insane, and again, changing the future with words is basically the power of doing anything

[mint arch]

the existence of it is already wild since you can not have two same devil fruit user at the same time in the world generally but what happens if you travel to a time where time travel fruit already have a user?

[cyan berry]

you can't use it to go back to the past anyways

so that argument is moot

[vestal rampart]

that doesn't necessarily make that her awakening. maybe her awakening was that she could transport ppl other than herself

[queen arrow]

it's impossible to meet another Toki Toki no Mi user when you have the fruit

[vestal rampart]

it doesn't rly matter imo bc her fruit is prob not gonna be shown again in any super important context, also if so, it's possible that the person with her fruit is alr in the future

[queen arrow]

because it will only respawn after you die, and that's going to happen only in the future time you go to

[mint arch]

yes but it can be a fatal skill like infinite youth surgery

[modest skiff]

Right, what I am saying is that we don't know if she already awakened. We also don't know what an awakened time travel fruit even means. So for all we know, she was only able to hop a couple days in the future until it awakened and now it was 800 years. Or maybe it never awakened. I suppose my point is that we know so little that it feels difficult to theorize

[mint arch]

which is still wild btw

[vestal rampart]

maybe... it certainly is difficult to theorize that

[queen arrow]

[queen arrow]

then it's not an awakening, and it's still infinitely more broken

[sonic plaza]

some paramecia are not as simple as modifying your body or creating things (like katakuri + doffy). For those fruits, it is easy to imagine an awakened version because the effects were only on themselves

but for fruits like Fuji's, Kidd's, and Toki's, its hard to imagine an awakened version

[modest skiff]

Right, for those 3, it feels like all you can do is increase the intensity to something crazy for it to be on the level of turning fucking buildings into string lol

[rigid shoal]

Because it brings good discussion???

[mint arch]

i think its fun

[modest skiff]

Since we still haven't learned anything really from Toki existing, fruit probably comes back some time

Also important to keep in mind we are discussing an anime on discord, so its not like we need a good reason to do what we are doing. We're having fun 🙂

[vestal rampart]

the person who has the time time fruit is prob alr somewhere in the future now lol

[modest skiff]

That's a good point, the time fruit probably exists very rarely. Was nowhere for 800 years

[fierce ruin]

ive had a theory on eustass’s awakened fruit i don’t if you’ve seen stampede but I imagine it kinda like bullets form. like that but y’know metal and stuff like that-

[sonic plaza]

Bullets awakening was non canon tho

[fierce ruin]

yeah i know im just imagining it like that-

[sonic plaza]

Makes sense

What would Fuji’s awakening or BMs awakening be tho

[pure raven]

Fuji collapses the One Piece world in on itself

[blazing orbit]

brooks awakening makes me wonder

[inner island]

shanks could be a villian

[hallow citrus]

yeah this is an extremely common theory and it makes sense why a lot of people would think it

[inner island]

fr when he meet the 7 elders he was so suspicious

[hallow citrus]

yep

[blazing orbit]

lucky roo can manipulate speed - shows how shanks could get to marineford so quickly from new world

[pure raven]

Foxy with the slow-slow

Maybe Roux with the fast-fast?

[polar bison]

there’s rlly nothing to suggest about shanks’s personality or actions to indicate he’s a proper “villain”

[amber oar]

it's a thing only because other series did it - the problem is that when they did it sucked ass

I can't discuss this properly without os spoilers dammit

anyway, Oda is better than that.

I can imagine Shanks having a dark side when he's angry -actually, I think it's been stated-, but that's a long stretch from being a full-fledged villain or having a secret evil master keikaku

• keikaku means plot

[stuck belfry]

well as long as we see him fight it's all good

[amber oar]

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for me the most likely scenario on a fight with Shanks is him wanting to test Luffy. It won't be a fight to death, but they'll push each other to their limits.

less likely is a conflict derived from Barto messing with his territories

Actually, Luffy coming to Barto's rescue as a trigger would be a take on a big leason he learned from Shanks - standing up for his friends

come to think (I just thought about that last line) yeah the Barto link could work. Shanks imprisons Barto o beats him badly, Luffy learns about it and comes to his rescue

[pure raven]

Does Shanks seem like the kind of person to imprison somebody? He let Kidd go (albeit without an arm)

[amber oar]

honestly, I don't know under what conditions he let Kidd go... not enough info

[modest skiff]

Wait why would Shanks imprison and beat Barto?? lol

[amber oar]

Because he was messing in an island that happens to be Shanks territory. Cover stories

[modest skiff]

Ah crap, which cover stories are this? I didn't start reading manga until Wano

And I didn't know the cover stories were canon until way after wano started lol

[pure raven]

864-919
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/The_Stories_of_the_Self-Proclaimed_Straw_Hat_Grand_Fleet

[grizzled fog]

We have no idea about kid and shanks encounter, he might not have been “let go” at all, he could’ve just escaped

[eager trout]

Kidd is not the Luffy

[pure raven]

As far as we know, Shanks' crew is just the people on his boat, right?

[eager trout]

Kidd is the kind of pirate to try to screw shanks

[grizzled fog]

Yea, it’s a big ship tbf

[pure raven]

I doubt Kidd has a chance of escaping his ship

[eager trout]

Kidd even said he wanted to kill/defeat emperor's

[pure raven]

Shanks has one of the greatest marksmen alive

[eager trout]

So it's normal for shanks / kaido / big mom to destroy kidd

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for kid to escape, especially since I doubt Shanks would be as dead set on killing him as say, BM

[eager trout]

While Luffy is only wanted by kaido and Bm because he messed with their business

[grizzled fog]

Obviously they’d destroy him then in a fight, but this is about escaping. And shanks doesn’t seem to have the sheer numbers or resources of BM

BM hates luffy far more than kid

[eager trout]

Maybe he does but unlike BM he doesn't show up his resources

[grizzled fog]

Highly doubt he has as many forces as BM, BM and Kaido want to conquer shit, they design their crews to wage war

[eager trout]

Forces aren't everything

Shanks has the world gov by his side, which mean intel

[grizzled fog]

Uh the world government is not on his side dude

[eager trout]

Besides Shanks already went to stop kaido once

The last time shanks appears he was with the world gov asking for a certain pirate

[modest skiff]

I’m not convinced Shanks is in cahoots with WG. I think when he met with elders he was negotiating for them to leave Luffy alone in exchange for something. Totally baseless but I don’t think we know much

[grizzled fog]

Idk why you’re over complicating this, it’s as simple as Kid getting on his ship and running away, and Shanks not being angry enough to care so much that he’d follow him to the end of the new world lol

[modest skiff]

I also think Shanks choosing to just take an arm is interesting since he himself is missing an arm

[eager trout]

Kidd probably tried to attack shanks, shanks grabbed that arm and ripped the arm off

[modest skiff]

If I am being generous to the idea that Shanks is fundamentally good, you could argue he was showing Kidd some tough love by showing him what happens when you bite off more than you can chew

[eager trout]

Shanks is like luffy

Not 💯 but mostly

Shanks isn't going to screw someone over just because he wants something, most of the time he is going to avoid war/fights if he can

Just like WB didn't really attack others unless he got attacked ( on the present time )

[odd lichen]

Toki is alive. anime != manga

[grizzled fog]

Toki is dead. Serious theories only

[queen wharf]

shanks was talking about black beard

[dark palm]

It doesn’t even matter what happened in the anime

She’s REALLY dead.

[modest skiff]

Not that I am opposed to the "serious theories only" rule, since I think with this many people you need some kind of order, but given some of the wonky things we have seen in One Piece, I am curious if any "non-serious" theories ended up being true. I only recently joined the fandom community since I watched the entirety of One Piece in a year (back surgery recovery xD), so I am curious

[dark palm]

“Non serious theories” tend to be stuff like “usopp is gonna be pirate king!!!”

[queen wharf]

luffy vs rob lucci rematch

[dark palm]

“Toki is alive” is probably what that guy actually believes, so I’d say it’s serious

That’s the only qualifier

Do you believe in your theory and can you explain it in a manner that conveys why.

[queen wharf]

yes

[dark palm]

Wasn’t asking you but sure, how come you think they’ll have a rematch

[tired osprey]

dont worry brother, Toki is alive. ❤️

[dark palm]

Clinging to your false hope

[pure raven]

I think it too, but i don't really care about convincing, i mean i just believe a theory, i don't believe i'm sure of it, i believe a possibility

[tired osprey]

my grip strength is not bad, not bad at all

[weary cliff]

Gotta have something. Toki being alive is more likely than Tama for nakama at this point

[queen wharf]

we are reintroduced to him which normally doesnt happen after luffy beats an opponent. He seems to be at a higher position(staying around the celestial dragons)

[pure raven]

But yeah anime is something to take in mind

[queen wharf]

plus i think it would be cool to see another fight with them considering lucci was very hyped up in water 7/enies lobby

[dark palm]

Maybe they’ll have a quick clash but I feel like by the time they ARE set up to fight Luffy will have eclipsed Lucci

[modest skiff]

Does anyone else think all of the major players in the world (Rev army, WG, Shanks, BB) likely have spies in Wano right now to relay all info that is happening? Part of what is making it hard for me to predict what happens in next chapter is that I am assuming at least 1 major world player listed is hiding in the shadows waiting for opportunity to strike

[queen wharf]

your probably right honestly but i think it would be an awesome fight

[tired osprey]

anime wouldnt know if she is alive or not, unlike VA casting where I guess they could receive some info beforehand so it goes along with the manga

[weary cliff]

Same. Luffy "low diffing" Lucci as the kids say will demonstrate his growth

[dark palm]

Well, the WG has Drake and CP-0.

[queen wharf]

u mean cp0 x drake

[dark palm]

So other branches definitely might have members hiding

I’d say Blackbeard would be the most likely

[tired osprey]

would be cool if it was the opposite, and blackbeard had someone that infiltrated the wg

[dark palm]

The anime is not a factor in telling whether she is alive or not. We have more than enough information from the manga to believe she’s dead

[queen wharf]

i dont think the revolutionaries or shanks has anyone relaying information, revs are dealing with the reverie situation and i dont think shanks has any reason

[weary cliff]

The anime team does get info early, also. Enough so that they spoiled Denjiro before his manga reveal even

[tired osprey]

it was already heavily teased at at that point, but because of bad translation the western fandom didnt realise

[gloomy canyon]

yeah would be cool if something like this happened. Like Vergo for Doffy

[vague shuttle]

Is SWORD a part of the WG or the Marines?

[weak arrow]

The marines

But the marines are also apart of the WG

Thus both

[vague shuttle]

The marines are under the world government thats true. But I get the feeling that sword is under the radar from the WG

[cerulean coyote]

But BB had already a person infiltrated in the wg. Shiriu at impel down...

[gloomy canyon]

He wasn't with BB then

He joined him during the Impel Down breakout

[cerulean coyote]

Bb has the highest strategic skills in the manga. If Shiriu was useful as a spy, he was keeping him there...

[gloomy canyon]

Well at the least, Akainu knows about them. He's the head of the marines, and SWORD is a marine branch. And the information he knows about Wano can only come from Drake, that's Drake's purpose for being there. It's not CP0, they don't report to Akainu, they report to the Gorosei directly

[gloomy canyon]

We know that's not true. Shiryu was the head jailer but was so sadistic and violent towards the prisoners, Magellan locked him up himself. Magellan freed him to help with the Impel Down breakout, but BB took advantage of this and recruited him then and there granting him freedom, then Shiryu backstabbed Magellan

[sonic plaza]

yooo. check this date guys

[prisma vault]

Is weeble a clone attempt of white beard? He refers to all his crew as his children, maybe he couldn't have kids of his own and tried to have himself cloned and was told it was a failure but someone kept trying and made weeble to use as a powerful pawn.

[cedar sinew]

no

he refers to his crew as children as a metaphor for family

not literal children

his dream as a pirate was to get a group of people that he could genuinely care for, so much so that they may as well be his children

[exotic echo]

Bonney is Big Mom's older sister that we never knew about

just dropping this here in case it comes true. Almost a shitpost theory, but few reasons why i was thinking about it-

when she was first introduced and big mom was introduced, back then people always speculated she was a daughter of hers or something. but uh

They both have pink hair & wear similar lipstick
they both eat a ton
both of their fruits coincidentally can effect other people's lifespans

might just be fun to have that be the case later on. if she's also the actual queen of sorbet, it'd make sense age-wise as well i assume

[grizzled fog]

So BM’s parents who abandoned her were royals?

[past river]

[grizzled fog]

[exotic echo]

it raises quite a few questions, but i don't think that has to be the case necessarily

her parents I mean

[grizzled fog]

And BM ended up being a queen anyway....

[exotic echo]

let's say kuma & her ruled with an iron fist for a time until some change of heart

kuma being a "tyrant" and she, idk. they could have taken over sorbet or something at some point

[pure raven]

A charismatic Dragon entering his life, perhaps

[exotic echo]

mhm

or maybe she took over after kuma's change of heart. who knows

[grizzled fog]

I feel like he wasn’t actually much of a tyrant, I think it might just be wg propaganda for some reason

I mean look at him

[pure raven]

Why does he carry a bible around?

[opaque vine]

Religious probably

😂

[exotic echo]

who knows? it's hard to place stock in rumors like that, but sabo for example wouldn't have known him in the past, and would have a totally different perspective on his character. also worth noting that the irl pirate kuma's name is (probably) based on was actually forced into piracy- or so the story goes

[grizzled fog]

Well if he were once corrupt and did have a change of heart, that could be apart of it, and now he carries it around to preach and help others or something

[cerulean coyote]

Actually, tyrant in ancient greece was a person who acquired power in an illegitimate way (e.g. Dolton is a tyrant because he is not a royal).

[exotic echo]

funnily enough bartholomew roberts's death irl was widely considered to be the end of the golden age of piracy