manga-theories

[dark palm]

and yeah, that's my hypothesis, she'd be near the roof watching

[waxen light]

Yes, my main qualm is that she just wouldn't be able to see him.

Cause if she decide to enter the dome again to go help, the only holes to the outside at the one BM made which is on the opposite side as you noted. Or she would have to climb the towers.

[dark palm]

I think by the time she'd be getting up, she'd be seeing the chaos on the roof

and deciding to help luffy

[pure raven]

(if you wrote anything for me as I was writing this, I couldn't see it because I was at the image posting box thing, so sorry)

Ok, first I'll correct a few things I've said:
It turns out Carrot wasn't out for a few hours back in Whole Cake Island, it was at max 1 hour and 50 minutes (god bless the clocks). So I'm more likely to believe that Carrot could be up by now, considering it's already been a good while since we last saw her.

To what you're saying:
If they kept fighting after the moon was out of sight (assuming it happened right as Onigashima was lifted in 997), they still had already fought for at least 2 chapters in their sulong form, which is already longer than in Whole Cake Island which lasted for just a chapter, if they didn't take out Peros by now then it must have at least been a more tiring use for Carrot. She could have kept fighting after being off sulong, but I'd imagine that would make her even MORE tired.

[waxen light]

Sorry, Thomas.

[pure raven]

dw wanze

I'm already done with it

Oh did your post show up before my 2nd picture for you?

[waxen light]

Yeah didn't wanna mess the order up and it really wasn't that important lol

[pure raven]

Discord

[light pond]

I wonder what's BB plan to get to laugh tale? We know BM has the 3 eyed tribe and Kaido is torturing the shit out of the kozuki clan to get the info and now trying to kidnap robin. Could there be someone who can read the poneglyphs in BB crew or will ge have a VOAT too?

[true flame]

Inevitable setup for fight with Luffy for what it's worth

[pure raven]

Well maybe (not sure ) in one of sbs oda said tbat bb got interest /hobby in archeology

So it could be possible that he learning that language himself as when ohara burnt we saw tbat they dumped many books with hope that someone might find it

Who knows that bb could have found it.

[eager mist]

I think sanji will come safe luffy

[dark palm]

Chapters are not linear measurements of time, and I don't think they were in sulong for even two chapters. For Peros, someone without much attacking power, to dispatch two extremely quick fighters carrot and wanda, he'd literally have to attack them relentlessly... which based on the battlefield, he did, and they did almost nothing in return. And fighting out of sulong would make her tired, but it wouldn't literally drain her body as sulong would.

[last halo]

Here's an option: Onigashima is moving left to right, meaning Luffy falls and Onigashima moves past him. Momo would "only" need to jump to the left and "free fall" to Luffy. Especially because I feel like he would be the only character in the island able to notice him being down before he even began to fall, so he'd be "paying attention".

[dark palm]

it isn't moving left to right

and the whole "momo has to get the hell out of the island" still applies

they are moving forward

[last halo]

And Carrot is on the side exposed on this last picture?

And Momo being so close to the hole BM exposed would be enough for him to get out of the castle on. If Momo notices Luffy is knocked out and falling off the island, he could easily decide to go help him, leave the attic and immediately notice BM's hole.

[pure raven]

and I don't think they were in sulong for even two chapters

You don't think that Kaido's clouds are the ones blocking the moon? Even though we've seen a similarly shaped cloud blocking it? Perospero is probably only assuming it's the weather here.

to dispatch two extremely quick fighters carrot and wanda he'd literally have to attack them relentlessly... which based on the battlefield, he did, and they did almost nothing in return.

That, or he could have been trying to wait out on them to run out of sulong by blocking himself in candy armors, while they aren't the most effective thing I'd reckon he still has some really good reflexes considering he was quick enough to block himself from Pedro's explosion at blank point.

And fighting out of sulong would make her tired, but it wouldn't literally drain her body as sulong would.

But she's still right AFTER leaving sulong, which I still believe they were on it for at least the same amount of time Carrot would have been when fending off the ships.

[grizzled fog]

Wym they did nothing in return juba

[dark palm]

oh, we're doing the segment message thing now? alright lol

You don't think that Kaido's clouds are the ones blocking the moon? Even though we've seen a similarly shaped cloud blocking it? Perospero is probably only assuming it's the weather here.
if kaido could control the location, he would have done it vs the minks up top, it's just clouds that happened to mask the moon. Could be his, could be other clouds.

That, or he could have been trying to wait out on them to run out of sulong by blocking himself in candy armors, while they aren't the most effective thing I'd reckon he still has some really good reflexes considering he was quick enough to block himself from Pedro's explosion at blank point.
electro, especially sulong electro, is fucking hot. Random candy is not going to stop electricity from seeping through.

But she's still right AFTER leaving sulong, which I still believe they were on it for at least the same amount of time Carrot would have been when fending off the ships.
What makes you think they were right after? that still image of the moon is just it being blocked by wisping clouds, after the fact.

[dark palm]

he's hardly damaged

[grizzled fog]

How the hell can you tell lol, we know he’s huffing and his words imply they at least had a chance in sulong

[dark palm]

because of his face?

like, minimal blood, AND he was able to just walk off

to instantly join the battle again

dude was twirling his staff

[grizzled fog]

So because there’s not a new wound on his face specifically? Like it’s not possible he could’ve been struck anywhere else

[grizzled fog]

He’s the fuckin candy man why wouldn’t he

[dark palm]

he wasn't twirling his staff after pedro blew his arm off

[grizzled fog]

Peros is huffing, I’d say that’s the best indication we have that they gave him difficulty

[dark palm]

there is no substantial damage

that's just cause he had to use his fruit, since they're fast

candy is strewn all around

[grizzled fog]

That’s permanent lol

Dude you’re making a lot of assumptions here

[dark palm]

not really? it's more that he is A. in fighting state and B. not visibly injured

so to say they didn't do much is a fine assumption

he's literally joining the fight on the main floor

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think him still being in fighting condition means they didn’t do anything substantial

[dark palm]

then what does substantial even mean to you

he wasn't even limping

[grizzled fog]

And who says his fruit takes stamina?

[dark palm]

huh? that's just how they work

he is actively producing candy

[grizzled fog]

Based on

1. He’s huffing
2. His wording about their potential victory
   I think it’s more than fair to say they gave him difficulty

[dark palm]

do you not understand or something?

did you only read that specific comment I made?

like the one sentence?

[grizzled fog]

“Did almost nothing in return” was what I’ve been responding to juba

[dark palm]

yeah, so it's just semantics then

because obviously sulong would trouble him

and just beating them normally would trouble him

but they didn't do enough damage to even make him limp

[grizzled fog]

Oh good, that’s just not the implication I got

[dark palm]

my whole point was that they weren't in sulong for a while

[pure raven]

Random candy is not going to stop electricity from seeping through.
Not going to stop but it'll at least minimize the damage, just like it happened on Pedro's explosion where he would have been blown to pieces.

What makes you think they were right after? that still image of the moon is just it being blocked by wisping clouds, after the fact.
I was referring to them continuing the fight right after they've left sulong, I think we both established that it's likely they weren't in that form for very long due to the weather. Leaving the form already causes them to feel a good amount of fatigue, but still fighting right afterwards must make it even worse for their stamina.

[dark palm]

an explosion is burst of heat and shrapnel, electricity from both sides is a constant application of said heat with a force behind it

leaving the form isn't what applies the fatigue

it's the use of the form

especially given that they were repeatedly applying the electricity too

[pure raven]

Right, I'll reword myself then: I'd still assume they were in it a good amount of time for them to get fatigued enough to the point they wouldn't be able to fight him at 100% in their normal form.

an explosion is burst of heat and shrapnel, electricity from both sides is a constant application of said heat with a force behind it
As for this I would have no idea if Oda would think so far into it, so I'll digress on it.

[dark palm]

things that happened since carrot got knocked:

Hyou murks people
Marco fights king and queen for a while
Queen has a long speech
Chopper cures disease
Momo goes from the dome, to the second floor
Kanjuro finds the scabbards with Oden
Ashura gets blown up
The scabbards run and split off a bunch, killing orochi in the process
All that roof top shit with hybrid kaido
hakai
Luffy getting knocked out, then getting back up
big mom falling
big mom getting saved
Ashura Zoro
luffy vs kaido for a good amount of time
big mom creates a giant hole in the wall
kid gets from the third floor to the second floor
Law teleports down with zoro and makes his way far to the other tower
Tama's entire saga with o-lin

and then luffy losing

oda would think as far as electro being able to melt the candy

like red hawk was

[amber oar]

Juba, you forgot "Luffy figured out how to add CoC to his attacks"

[grizzled fog]

Did Enel’s electricity ever burn Luffy in Skypeia? I know the gold did after being heated up, but I don’t think he directly burnt him with electricity

[tawny charm]

It Would Be Great To See Luffy Getting Saved By Shanks Or Bartolomeo

[grizzled fog]

It would not be

[queen arrow]

I'm pretty sure the lightning left burn marks on the people he zapped

[tawny charm]

It's just a hypothesis .... Nothing else

[amber oar]

I'd be OK with Bartolomeo because it would be a consequence of Luffy himself earning followers and making himself a name

Shanks would be lame tho, senpai again saving his ass

[grizzled fog]

We really don’t need another yonko in wano. And we sure as hell don’t need shanks saving luffy and beating kaido for him or something

[dark perch]

That would diminish years of Luffy's hard work lol

[queen arrow]

oh, Luffy specifically? no the lightning never affected him directly in any way, just when used to heat the Nonosama bo

[grizzled fog]

I thought so, and the excuse that luffy was too resistant to heat doesn’t work either since he was clearly burnt by the trident when it heated up

[queen arrow]

it's just the Lightning immunity

[grizzled fog]

Nonosama, is that the name of his weapon?

[queen arrow]

the Nonosama bo yes

iirc it means something like "God's staff"

[grizzled fog]

Neat

[worthy belfry]

momo gonna save luffy

he can fly and he knows luffy location and health, and also kaido cover his eyes with hands

kaido gonna come down floor, big mom and kaido gonna fight

[pure raven]

The secret to kaido's invincibility is its superior healing ability. With the awakening of Zoan, of course. If throwing damage was a problem, luffy would already have a significant effect on kaido. What happens if Luffy uses the nervous system (nerves regenerte slowly) on the 5th gear and attack to kaido's nervous system? there is no damage but there is a win right now

[grizzled fog]

Kaido’s “invincibility” is mostly due to his crazy tough scales, which very very few can bypass and even fewer can actually damage. Idk what you mean by throwing damage though, and kaido has impressive recovery most likely, but that’s not really what’s keeping him from going down

[pure raven]

I think the only way to defeat kaido is to immobilize or imprison him.

[grizzled fog]

Or........kill him?

[pure raven]

dune that guys immortal

[grizzled fog]

He’s not

The fact that kaido has been damaged and seriously wounded makes it clear it’s possible to kill him

[pure raven]

Saying never loses one-on-one means maybe never killed

[grizzled fog]

It does not

[pure raven]

if it was easy to execute him. akainu is here

[merry reef]

Yeh

[hollow grotto]

Equating that one never loses in a 1v1 situation to not being able to die is silly.

[autumn vapor]

Will Zeus survive?

[normal plume]

New poll I think Marco is also a solid option for saving him

As for Zeus I think he will eat Namis thunder balls inside Hera and then with that power boost manage to fission/split from her

As for Luffy he will beat Kaidou in the end in a 1 v 1 I think at this point. Yonkou is as shichibachi was back in Arabasta. A whole new level that took several life threatening attempts to surpass, not to mention Kaidou will also likely be sent flying away in that final beautiful moment and oppression will be lifted off the country. It’s a level Luffy has to overcome and surpass on his path to PK and nows the time for it, perhaps third or fourth attempt with some assist.

[supple nimbus]

That or if you notice nami's rod was in hera so zeus could also easily slip into it

[normal plume]

I didn’t notice, definite possibility though I’m not sure if it works like a pokeball of sorts for him, but let’s see I can easily see it play out like so

[lucid violet]

Imagine if luffy didn't drown because he has jinbes blood💀💀💀💀

[merry reef]

Lmao

[zinc iris]

He would still be stuck on the seafloor like jack

[pure raven]

No gills no life

[pure raven]

Agree

Also this arc seems simialr to albasta ( to me )

in albasta too luffy was thrown down from palace to die and so did in wano

However in albasta he got up after some time so we can expect the same

However the point now is whteher liffy will fall into wano kuni or water or someone will save him

[sour badge]

What do u guys think Luffy will awaken as Gyojin arc and will knock out Kaido or what?

[pure raven]

Gyojin arc ?

[sour badge]

Fishmand island

I mean when nearly Hody defeate Luffy but Luffy use gear 3 to finish him off

or something like that

[pure raven]

Nah i did rather prefer luffy falling down or somone saving him and landing in wano

[brazen lantern]

At this point the theory of big mom turning on kaido doesn't seems to happen but at the end i dont see them loosing any other way, don't know why (not gonna happen) but I'm having thoughts of shanks appearing and ending the war AGAIN😅😅😅

[bitter condor]

okay this totally comes out of left field, but could roger be a celestial dragon? He'd obviously be a rebel similar to sabo, but could he?
Edit: i'm serious

[pure raven]

no. Carriers of D are enemies of the Dragons

Think Kaido has giant blood in him? specifically Ancient Giant blood? his horns are why I ask

[zinc iris]

it could be but it's not guaranteed

in one piece even regular humans can have horns

[dark oxide]

If they have horns they ain't regular

[pure raven]

there's also Kaido's endurance

[zinc iris]

!horns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/703457603887300608/unknown.png

[dark palm]

Believe it or not, Moria is a human

should tell you everything you need to know

this freak of nature

[worthy belfry]

how do you know moria is a human?

[worthy belfry]

yeah, I think kaido was vegapunk test subject

[worthy belfry]

momo gonna save luffy, he knows his location and he can fly,
also note why oda made kaido cover his eyes so that he can't see momo saving luffy

[vast prism]

I was thinking the same thing.

[candid sleet]

kaido was face palming not covering his eyes

momo is too far to save luffy

[worthy belfry]

oda needed a reason for kaido not looking

[candid sleet]

Momo is not sonic hes not gonna move to the other side of onigashima while kaido is still face palming

ur probably trollin tho

[kindred flint]

man said oda made kaido cover his eyes so he can’t see momo saving luffy

[worthy belfry]

momo needs purpose in whole fight so far he had done nothing, only special thing he has that voice of all thing and rare flying ability

imagine momo helping luffy when he needs the most that will make momo worthy ruler of wano and increase his character growth

also momo knew his health was decreasing all along , he could have predicted him losing long ago

[hollow tartan]

I think luffy will fall into Shanks / dragon ship one of this two

[reef nest]

Bruh

[pure raven]

What do you think like there is limit to conqueror haki like if he uses armament with G4 then he cant use haki for some time or ...

[copper frost]

That's not true

[night jewel]

@coarse hinge dont mention editor/director comments here, we have #spoilers for that

[coarse hinge]

Upps... Sorry new member still don't know much. Okay

[zinc iris]

Kaido was covering his tears
He's crying because he wanted to lose but Luffy wasn't strong enough

[carmine sparrow]

How do you know that he is not human

[pure raven]

Well but still luffy gave kaido a hell of a fight as he was seen gasping and even kaido became excited.

Feelinf sad for kaido

[carmine sparrow]

dw Luffy will eventually climb up again

and then he won't lose anymore

Right now I just hope that Law runs into King

[shrewd radish]

Let's make it funnier

[pure raven]

What's the theory, @shrewd radish?

[shrewd radish]

So if the silhouette from the first pic is not Izo's? Then who's is it?

[pure raven]

So you think it's Shiki

Izo

[shrewd radish]

Nah

[shrewd radish]

Is it really him? Well maybe it's just the curves anyway

[green roost]

who said "then lets hurry, i got a genius plan in mind!"

i know thats not izo he didnt have no genius plan lmfao

also doesnt sound like marco, who had just finished a sentence in a calm demeanor

[cyan berry]

That screenshot is also from a flashback that was more than 20 years ago

[coarse hinge]

That's clearly Izo. Shiki's hair is zigzag & bald on front.

[cyan berry]

You'd think Shiki would at least have a different set of clothes to wear

[green roost]

im talking about the speech bubble

not the cloak

[shrewd radish]

Yeah first pic, Izo is not gonna be surprised because both volunteered to help Ace if Whitebeard ever gave the go signal

[green roost]

who said they had a genius plan, cause so far none of the scabbards have shown any genius plan? i guess the anime will make that more clear

[shrewd radish]

I just patched shiki there to make it funny. Sorry if I misleaded anyone

My main point here is that's not Izo, then who is it?

I mean from the two pics

[green roost]

all im worried about is that speech bubble, its literally seemingly not connected to any known character unless its nekomamushi randomly having ADD

eitherway the voice actor in the anime should confirm who it is

[shrewd radish]

Maybe nekomamushi? About fighting at the rooftop for them to have their sulong? Dunno I'm not so sure

[green roost]

definitely not marco, he finished talking calmly and the speech bubble was in reply to him

80% neko, 20% mystery person

and to me, it doesnt seem like izo saying that last speech bubble, he had no genius plan we know of, he joined in on an existing plan

[desert sedge]

That was neku earl

[green roost]

i better hear neko voice in the anime or i will go off

[desert sedge]

His genius plan was to make marco carry them to onigashima

[pure raven]

Which chapter is that from?

[weak arrow]

probably 981?

i think 980 is when marco kicks BMP off the waterfall

[green roost]

anime should be getting close to that ep i think

[pure raven]

I think 974 is the next anime ep

[green roost]

still a bit away, ill know for sure by then tho

[pure raven]

Ep 973 adapts Ch 971 and they're padding so it'll probably be ~10 eps from now

[weak arrow]

His genius plan was going right to Onigashima instead of going to the port no one would be

[green roost]

[candid sleet]

976 is when flashback ends p sure

[coarse hinge]

At end of 2020. Oda said on his Message "Sabo, Vivi, Hancock maybe in bad situation". There's indication Strawhats will going back and goes to Impel Down break 2nd & New Marineford?

[gray ice]

yamato wont join straw hats after wano

[copper frost]

can you elaborate

[gray ice]

she prob know abt the one piece due to odens log book or something related to laugh tale and i dont think luffy will have a person who knows things abt laugh tale

[copper frost]

why would oden write about the biggest secret in the world in his journal? its a logbook, all he describes of the situation, we've already seen in chapter 967, what makes you think he wrote anything else about one piece in it? and it doesnt look like yamato has any knowledge of the one piece at all

[coarse hinge]

Spoilers for his successor.

[gray ice]

aah ic

[pseudo citrus]

The theory I've been thinking about is that there must be some reason that the log was thrown from the castle intentionally... It contained info about the prophecy, so maybe Toki threw it from the castle so someone in Wano (that ended up being Yamato) would be aware of the coming pirates.

[weak arrow]

She probably just gave it ti Hiyori and she dropped it

[pseudo citrus]

Seems like a pretty big deal for Hiyori to just forget about that

[weak arrow]

Not like she knew what the log had in it

But since Hiyori and Kawamatsu escaped via the river, it’s what makes the most sense to me.

[pseudo citrus]

oh, that does make sense 👀

[weak arrow]

If word of that logbook had spread, maybe all the warriors that SUNACHI’d their lives away to Kaido 10 years ago would have been able to wait

[wet kayak]

Kidd's awakening idea's in wano (theory- ignore bad english)

Blood control : Control iron in your blood, so he could do internal damage to kaidou and big mom other than just slamming them, he would actually be able to be faster than gear 2 by speeding up his blood flow higher.

Metal Barrier (useless when he can rather use a magnetic shield)

Flight, A subset of magnetic field manipulation.
**
Magnetic shield**, : A subset of magnetic field manipulation. creates magnetic force fields around himself to protect him. These barriers are generally invisible, Can't lie i think this would be able to block The hakai attacks for atleast 4 seconnds

Electricity Manipulation : it would allow kidd to generate electricity as well as manipulating pre-existing electricity, so maybe he would be able to absorb Hera's lightning weakening her.

Energy Blasts :It would be a product of kidd's electrical power. be able to project beams of energy.

Light/Laser manipulation : he would be able to create light, and bend light,.

I could name million others but i am too lazy,

Thoughts please?

[candid sleet]

Blood bender kidd

[wet kayak]

yessir

[pure raven]

There are about 3-4 grams of iron in a human body

[wet kayak]

yh

[coarse hinge]

How he can create Light?

[wet kayak]

electromagnetic radiation wave.

[worthy belfry]

fujitora also a time traveler theory
fujitora has gravity fruit, if you study science gravity can affect time flow, like near black holes time slows down, so fujitora using his gravity can slow his time while rest of the world speedying up, so he can time travel too

[worthy belfry]

light is a electromagnetic wave

[wet kayak]

yeah that

[wet kayak]

oohhh hmmmm

[sleek vale]

I don’t think Oda would have Fuji step on Kizaru like that

[worthy belfry]

maybe toki was earlier user of gravity fruit, she died , and fujitora does not know this ability

[coarse hinge]

Okay

[wet kayak]

good theory, maybe he used his devil fruit to travel more further back in time because of the bad stuff that was happening (the reason why he blinded himself)

[worthy belfry]

yeah can be

[coarse hinge]

Fujitora is GG. His DF can counter every Admiral's DF.

[wet kayak]

yh

he can easily defeat kizaru by bending him and just moving him around with gravity lol

akainu im not to sure

[coarse hinge]

I can't believe mostly think Kizaru was strongest Admiral. IMO he's the weakest every Admiral can counter him. For Akainu, his barbaric rage making him wasn't sure if his personality ordinary Gravity would handle Magma pretty easy.

[wet kayak]

yh

oh yeah, fuji can control akainu's magma

[worthy belfry]

any juice fruit exists? like in bm crew?

[wet kayak]

not sure

Fuji can possibly control an electromagnetic force

[coarse hinge]

Shiki & Fujitora is the opposite 😆

[worthy belfry]

he does not need it im sure , gravity can control anything while kidd can only control metals only

[wet kayak]

yeah true, but what if he could be able to use electricity on his sword, like it would be sick

[worthy belfry]

fujitora can do all the things that kidd can do with any object

[wet kayak]

true

[gray flower]

What if Chopper has been performing cosmetic surgeries on Nami and Robin and that’s why they’re the only straw hats who’s looks kept changing as arcs progressed from Drum to Enies lobby

[worthy belfry]

tell the specifics what are changed for research only

[coarse hinge]

Luffy's rubber body will resist on Kidd? If he awaken his power?

[gray flower]

You tell me

[wet kayak]

i don't think so

[worthy belfry]

fujitora df is pure op and if used correctly can defeat anyone

[wet kayak]

depends if kidd can use haki, which is most likely, but if he can't yeah it will resist on kidd

[gray flower]

This is Chopper doctoring, I’m telling ya

[wet kayak]

yeah, he could literally be stronger than roger

[coarse hinge]

If in his base form yes. If he change every cells become rubber?

[wet kayak]

yeah, if kidd CAN'T use haki but if he can then no

[coarse hinge]

Doffy punch Luffy with Haki coat, but Luffy coat his body but still retains DF power haki but still rubbery.

[worthy belfry]

you talking specific about luffy gear 4?

[wet kayak]

yeah i remember, but luffy wouldn't be able to stop that if he didn't use haki

[coarse hinge]

Gura-gura, Darkness, Wind, Sengoku's shockwave maybe can counter.

[worthy belfry]

yeah wind is only elemental fruit not seen , have got gas and smoke but not wind, probably dragon or ryougugo got it

[coarse hinge]

So the problem who's react first on both side. In natural without haki or w/o haki still won't changed.

[wet kayak]

yh thats the problem.

[coarse hinge]

Probably Lufy with slight future sight.

[wet kayak]

yeah

[coarse hinge]

Ryokugyu's power IMO between plant or time control.

[tender drift]

thats a wide range

[worthy belfry]

if one piece has 8 moons , why we always seen only one ,
theory ,all other moons were destroyed and fall down , hence created different magnetic field islands

[tender drift]

I guess he gives off a plant vibe but why time?

[coarse hinge]

He's fasting. That can be cause of plant or rewind time.

[tender drift]

I agree, but I can't just see ryokugyu controlling time

[dusty galleon]

!os

[lone hedge]

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[worthy belfry]

what about nuclear devil fruit, infinite energy and green in colour

[dusty galleon]

Delete this mate, OS spoilers

[coarse hinge]

IMO controlling time for himself not affect for the others. He was so lazy he doesn't want to eat. He can rewind the time at a state that's he not hungry.

[dusty galleon]

@weak arrow OS spoiler talk going on

[tender drift]

Was it because he was lazy?

[coarse hinge]

What I was just reffering.

[tender drift]

I didn't read that closely

[dusty galleon]

Yeah you can't do that in channels outside #other-series

[weak arrow]

You cannot use #other-series comparisons outside of #other-series

[pure raven]

and you can't use other series comparisons with manga only content outside of... well...

[dusty galleon]

Time for #manga-os?

[coarse hinge]

Yeah check out on manga around chapter 900s early or anime ep 981. He said "doesn't wanna eat if there's no pretty nee-chan".

[tender drift]

Welp i guess that means hes lazy, but doesn't toki already have a time travel fruit?

[coarse hinge]

My indications he's Mythical Zoan user with additional power.

[pure raven]

plant fruit is the most popular (and best) theory

[worthy belfry]

probably ryouguu is some mystic zoan , it will fit in kizaru-logia, fujitora-paramecia , and ryouguu -zoan

[tender drift]

Yes, I agree

[worthy belfry]

before it was 3 logia admirals

[pure raven]

would a plant fruit be a zoan tho

[worthy belfry]

any mystic creature that does not need to eat?

[tender drift]

It can be a mythical creature that is a plant? I don't know Japanese mythology well.

[worthy belfry]

wood powers ? like hmm...

[coarse hinge]

Here's my headcanon theory. Mythical Zoan, Hito-Hito (Human) no Mi: Model Chronos or Dioysus.
Chronos (Greek God) : is the personification of time in pre-Socratic philosophy and later literature.
Dioysus (Greek God) : is the god of the grape-harvest, winemaking and wine, of fertility, orchards and fruit, vegetation, insanity, ritual madness, religious ecstasy, festivity and theatre in ancient Greek religion and myth.

[tender drift]

I think all the mythical zoans are in somewhat relation to east asian culture

[worthy belfry]

@dusty galleon is naruto spoilers allowed

[dusty galleon]

Nope

Nothing other than OP manga

[coarse hinge]

Isn't Phoenix west mythical believe?

[dusty galleon]

Phoenix is often found in Chinese/Japanese myths too

[tender drift]

There is also a phoenix in chinese mythology

There is definitely a mythological plant in Japanese mythology

[coarse hinge]

But it's also possible to take Mythical global references.

[tender drift]

Yes, but greek gods are kinda a far stretch because I feel like they would be portreyed as a human

The buddha fruit was like portreyed as a giant buddha

[dusty galleon]

One of the better theories about Ryokugyu is that his fruit is a mythical bullfrog

There's a few mythical frogs/toads in eastern mytho so there's enough variety

[coarse hinge]

That's Okay guys.

[dusty galleon]

And they have the ability to go quite a long time without food so that checks out

And also that completes the DF trio of current admirals

(one each of logia paramecia and Zoan)

[coarse hinge]

Most possibly Zoan for the ballance. Each 3 Admiral for different type.

[dusty galleon]

Besides it's just cool

Imagine: lasers, meteors and.... Croak

[coarse hinge]

Way cooler than preTS now have variety type.

[dusty galleon]

Why dya delete that

[hollow crag]

Ryokugyu is a Ludicolo.

Calling it now.

Deleted by accident

[dusty galleon]

[hollow crag]

Though, if he's a bullfrog, he's more likely to be a Venusaur.

[zinc iris]

Mythical goat/sheep model barometz

[pure raven]

There are only two goats in One Piece

Sengoku owns one and the other wears seastone sandals

[coarse hinge]

What do you think about Special Paramecia abilities? And which other fruits would be classed same category? IMO Icecream & Mucus should be in the same category. And what another potential from other DF?

[errant ridge]

OMG BB finds ACE's grave.
MORIA brings back to life ACE. confirmed.

[coarse hinge]

Source: Trust me bro

[worthy belfry]

moria bb 11th commander?

[coarse hinge]

The name of BB's Commanders is Ten Titanic Captains. Not Eleven.

[worthy belfry]

moria has interesting ability ,it can bring back dead people body to life , perfect for end wars just like ..

[coarse hinge]

More likely BB's steal his DF for his Commander who didn't eat DF before.

[worthy belfry]

yup

why bb shiru chose clear clear?

[coarse hinge]

When Kenbushoku Haki basically says "Hello".

[worthy belfry]

like oda showed only 2 fruits of bb crew one fox and other invisible , both perfect for espionage , something bb gonna do in secret

[coarse hinge]

Sanjuan Wolf ate big-big fruit although he's originally Giant (but not from Elbaf)

[worthy belfry]

one problem that he stands in water and he moves in water by himself

my theory , sanjuan wolf is vegapunk's successful ancient giant experiment

[coarse hinge]

He stands in water but I bet only on the cost

[zinc iris]

why would they need a donut

[zinc iris]

ice cream would be special paramecia but a mucus elemental would be logia because it's a naturally occurring thing

[coarse hinge]

Diamond also was natural but ain't Logia

[zinc iris]

because the diamond df doesn't have logia properties

it can't produce diamonds for example

[coarse hinge]

I think mucus ain't natural element that's produce by living creature

If it's Mud then yes

[zinc iris]

it's produced by living things but as a natural process

[worthy belfry]

logia are elementals

[zinc iris]

the point is it's not manufactured

[coarse hinge]

Manufactured by living organs not directly from nature.

Logia is direct from nature

[errant ridge]

Omg BB finds roger's body. moria brings back GOLD ROGER to life. confirmed.

[worthy belfry]

more like xebec coming back more possibility

[errant ridge]

"If you mistranslate Odas 2017 interview he says this"

maybe it wasn't a mistranslation

[worthy belfry]

says what?

[queen arrow]

he's clearly fucking with you bro

[trail tundra]

Idk if it’s been said yet, but I think Luffy being KOed and falling off Onigashima would be a good time to awaken his fruit, or get a new ability in general.

[worthy belfry]

flying ability?

[trail tundra]

Gear 4th already has that

Idk what type of ability he could get rn, but I just thought this would be a good time to get a power up.

[coarse hinge]

Chill bro there's 2 Act again waiting. Now we are at the end of Act 3.

[trail tundra]

Kabukis plays can have 3-5 acts, so who’s to say Wano won’t end after Act 3?

[worthy belfry]

I heard act 3 where tragedy happens

[coarse hinge]

SBS. Still long.

[fathom matrix]

Ok, this is really interesting, because here he's saying that he should have taken his head a trophy, and if the rebellion's not shown proof, they'll never give up.

[vestal isle]

okay

[worthy belfry]

probably kaido used some hidden power up and knock out luffy in one hit and throw him out

[fathom matrix]

Nah, I think Kaido stated that Luffy got cocky with learning conquerors as a power up

[vestal isle]

whats the red pointing to though

[fathom matrix]

Falling off Oni geshima. Nothing too special. At one point I probably considered Kaido purposefully threw him off the roof

but now I'm seeing it more as an accident

[worthy belfry]

yeah he was fighting luffy so he threw him so?

[vestal isle]

Oh I understand

[fathom matrix]

For a second I was thinking he wanted to see how far the rebellion goes, so he threw him off the roof

But then he was like "......okay, maybe that wasn't a smart idea., Too late now"

[worthy belfry]

ohh

[zinc iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164996746429202432/842059764342456340/fall.jpg

he must have been tossed
maybe a strong blow launched him

[sacred hawk]

You know how people are hoping Luffy doesn't 1v1 Kaido because then Luffy would be too strong going into the final arc?

[worthy belfry]

yeah, luffy becoming yonkou would be too much, that would mean , luffy vs bb will be ezy

[sacred hawk]

I feel like people are making too many assumptions on what the endgame will be. Because given the sheer number of factions that are likely going to get involved in the final war (each lead by fighters who are arguably not that much weaker than Kaido), I don't think one single Yonko or one single Admiral would be a satisfying final boss.

[weary cliff]

That's also underselling BB

[sacred hawk]

Because a lot of people might be thinking that Akainu or Blackbeard specifically as they are now will be the final boss.

[weak arrow]

He has already failed to 1v1 Kaido. Even if he wins at this point, it won't be attributed to him being an equal or surpassing Kaido.

[sacred hawk]

At the very least, I think Luffy gave Kaido a genuine run for his money. Considering how Kaido was repeatedly sighing during the last page.

[visual merlin]

depends if thats a huff or him sighing from disappointment

[weak arrow]

I will trust in cunk who trusts in Mip who I also trust

[sacred hawk]

Sure, but I think if it was disappointment, he wouldn't need to sigh this many times.

[visual merlin]

heavy disappointment

[sacred hawk]

So I think it's either a mistranslated huff, or Kaido is making a youtube apology video

[visual merlin]

but yea, if it is indeed huff luffy probably gave him some trouble

I doubt Luffy actually had a good shot at winning, but good enough to make Kaido try pretty hard

[slim creek]

was he tho? Or was he just crying and wheezing because the fight was over too soon?

[slim creek]

ahhh, waiting for tomorrow then

[slim creek]

https://tenor.com/view/gol-d-roger-gold-roger-vs-oden-gold-roger-divine-departure-kozuki-oden-gif-20648344

[pure raven]

it's a huff

[main sigil]

I think we also shouldn’t forget about the fact that Kaido has been fighting for a while now and has been hit many times . It’s only quite recently they started to 1v1 so some sort of fatigue at this stage for him isn’t all that bad

[grizzled fog]

He was huffing before cocting anyway

[main sigil]

He was even huffing before the 1v1 started but it has definitely accumulated

Yeh

[grizzled fog]

Defo think luffy gave him a somewhat decent fight at least, huffing is to be expected

[red hazel]

Too much Adam..

[red comet]

So I’ll take this theory here. Luffy and company seem to not be ready for this stage yet, the only one I can see kill Kaido now will be Sabo or Moria. Sabo cause he will make good on his promise and Moria cause he wants his revenge and will do anything to get it.

[grizzled fog]

....sabo aint coming to wano and I doubt he’s stronger than luffy at this point, even if not by much, and Moria sure as hell isn’t gonna be able to do anything to kaido, unless it’s buff somebody

Kaido isn’t close to peak condition anymore, he’s huffing like crazy, he’s been scarred and taken more than a dozen hits, Luffy and Yamato can do it, if need be maybe others can gang up on kaido too

[red comet]

So wouldn’t it make since for Moria to be in the shadows waiting for a chance to strike?

Also if he buffs shiryu with shadows Kaido is donzeod

[weak arrow]

How are they going to get up to Onigashima

Why are they heading to Wano when BB said they were gonna take something from the marines

[cyan berry]

not agreeing with masta but we know that moria can teleport using Doppelman

Whether or not he can carry people with him is still unknown though

[queen arrow]

or even how far can Doppelman go

[weak arrow]

Doppelman also probably has a range

[cyan berry]

that too

[red comet]

Can’t he fly with shadows too

[queen arrow]

i don't think we've ever seen him do that

[red comet]

But he can make anything with his shadows so I do think he can make stuff to fly

Plus he knows the route to wano

How else did he get there in the first place

[queen arrow]

log pose

the path your log pose takes you it's not something you memorize

[red comet]

I know the game isn’t something to ref but it doesn’t go out of BB’s character to take out two birds with one stone while they are in a big war. He did that to white beard so why not Kaido and big mom

[queen arrow]

what are you talking about

[red comet]

Bb possibly promised to grant Morias revenge on Kaido too, as long as he showed them how to get to wano safely

[cyan berry]

if moria still cared about revenge against kaido then we would've heard from him earlier

[queen arrow]

Blackbeard is interested in something completely outside of Wano

[cyan berry]

and besides

i doubt killing moria's friend is the best way for BB to start a negotiation with Moria

[red comet]

If he is dead

[cyan berry]

he's dead

Shiryu has his fruit

[queen arrow]

they said they had his corpse

they wouldn't need Catarina to disguise herself if he was alive

[red comet]

I guess

[mystic garnet]

this is hurting my head

[red comet]

Then what about sabo?

[weak arrow]

How would sabo even get there

And b4 someone says kuma, why would kuma send him there

[cyan berry]

sabo is either being chased by the world government or is in captivity

there are no other options for him

[red comet]

Cause Luffys vivre card is shrinking

[weak arrow]

And how would Sabo get there?

[red comet]

Kuma?

[weak arrow]

And Kuma sends him because?...

[red comet]

Luffys about to die

[cyan berry]

they get sent to save kuma and then end up leaving him behind again

[weak arrow]

Why would robotic kuma who would attack sabo on sight do this?

[cyan berry]

very smart of Sabo, the second in command of the Revolutionaries

[polar bison]

you guess? what exactly is a guess about this

[queen arrow]

why didn't Sabo go to WCI

[red comet]

Idk luffy has been rokoed twice now someone has to step in to fight Kaido, cause at this point I’ll won’t be surprised if I see shanks out of no where.

Rkoed*

[cyan berry]

you should be

hype for the sake of hype is the worst kind of writing

[weak arrow]

Shanks isn't ready to meet Luffy yet, so he isn't coming.
Blackbeard is heading somewhere the marines were going, so he isn't coming.

[red comet]

Im not saying bb is coming, his underlings would

[queen arrow]

BB's crew is going with him to wherever he's going

he ordered them to

[red comet]

Bb ordered jesus do go to dressrosa to get the flare fruit even though he knew it was Kaidos territory

Why would BB wanna fuck with Kaido while dealing with the marines and red hair

[queen arrow]

Dressrosa isn't Kaido's territory

[red comet]

Doffy works for Kaido so technically yes

[weak arrow]

I mean, it basically would be unless you believe BB's information network is terrible.

[queen arrow]

and it was an open tournament, he didn't go there to fight Doflamingo

in fact he didn't interfere with Doflamingo's business at all

[red comet]

@weak arrow with that pale dude I doubt it

Burgess wanted the flare fruit and luffys fruit, he would of had to fight doffys crew for that

[queen arrow]

what does this even mean

he wouldn't have to, he just needed to win the tournament

getting Luffy's fruit was an alternative he saw when he lost the Flame-Flame Fruit

[red comet]

Yes but doffys main crew dudes were guarding the flare flare fruit he would have to beat diamanté

[queen arrow]

it's a fucking tournament dude

there's no reason to believe it would cause any problems between the crews

[red comet]

Ok and the victor had to fight the bosses

[weak arrow]

Doflamingo was never planning on losing the fruit.

[red comet]

^ that too

So burgers would of had to fight doffys crew

[queen arrow]

yeah he'd have to discuss that after Burgess already got the fruit, because it was still a tournament even if it was a trap

it doesn't matter that they weren't planning to follow the rules, that's not Burgess' fault, and Blackbeard had no way of knowing that

[red comet]

If luffy didn’t partake in the tournament doffy or his henchmen would kill him

Burgess wouldn’t leave without the fruit

[queen arrow]

Doffy wouldn't assassinate an Emperor's crewmate unless he is stupid, and that's besides the point, he didn't send Burgess to pick a fight with Doflamingo or with Kaido

[cedar sinew]

Doffy would turn him into a toy and he'd be forgotten

[weak arrow]

tbf he'd just make him a puppet and nothing would happen, i suppose

[red comet]

So how do you deal with a rampaging burgess wanting the fruit

[queen arrow]

the fruit was out for grabs

if Burgess got the fruit in the final tournament round he'd probably just leave

[red comet]

I’m telling you they wouldn’t let him get it

Did you not see them try to stop sabo

[cedar sinew]

that was still during the tournament

[red comet]

They would do the same with burgess

[queen arrow]

that's part of the competition, and why couldn't he grab it anyway even with interference

[cedar sinew]

sabo won, ate the fruit, and dipped

[red comet]

I don’t think burgess would had much success more than sabo

[queen arrow]

he doesn't need to be more successeful than Sabo, since Sabo got the fruit and left

he just needs to be as successeful as Sabo

and that's still going away from the point

[red comet]

Ur telling me that doffys men wouldn’t of fought him during the bull fish fight

[cedar sinew]

what is the connection you're making?
That Burgess came to Dressrosa so someone on BB's crew will come to Wano?

[red comet]

My original statement was bb sending shiryu and Moria to wano and obverse the situation and then if Kaido is weakened or feels exhausted ambush him and take his fruit.

[queen arrow]

dude how many times do i have to say this, why does it matter if they're fighting him, what's stopping him from defeating them and taking the fruit like he was there to do

beating the guys stopping him from getting the fruit was part of the tournament

[red comet]

I don’t think he would of won

[queen arrow]

that also doesn't matter

because you framed this as Burgess being sent to pick a fight, when it was actually just Burgess being sent to an open tournament with a reward

[cedar sinew]

hm 🤔
I guess a sidequest to Wano for more DF hunting is somewhat plausible

[red comet]

That’s what I’m getting at. I doubt Lafitte is ignorant on the straw hats goals right now and would sent shiryu and convinced Moria to go to wano to steal Kaido’s DF

[weak arrow]

I think the big issue is a few more members would need to go

[queen arrow]

Lafitte doesn't have the authority to send Shiryu anywhere, Moria isn't interested in stealing devil fruits

[weak arrow]

Moria would just try to escape or fight Shiryuu himself

[red comet]

Wouldn’t stuffing shifty with shadows be enough

[queen arrow]

the shadows need to come from people

[red comet]

Shiryu*

[weak arrow]

You know Shiryuu is probably top 3 on Moria's Kill list right?

[red comet]

Kaido is 1

[weak arrow]

Behind Kaido and Luffy

[red comet]

So kill 3 birds with one stone?????

[queen arrow]

sending Shiryu and Moria would be a bad idea, besides, Blackbeard is taking his crew to a completely different thing

[red comet]

Then at this point we are just gonna see a daddy and daughter fight while luffy recovers enough to beat Kaido

[queen arrow]

that if Luffy doesn't get back up quickly like the last time he fell unconcious

[red comet]

Yea though it me being like ok, you can’t write luffy as he’s a freaking saiyen.

[weak arrow]

Luffy beating Kaido right now already makes more sense than him beating Katakuri, and that still happened.

[red comet]

Think oda wrote himself into a corner and made a cop out

[queen arrow]

people shouldn't underrate Luffy like this

[red comet]

I mean I don’t want too but come on, he doesn’t have any special demon inside of him, he doesn’t have a split killer personality. He just has the will and the determination to keep going, but Kaido is like someone who’s literally bested him 3 times.

At this point I am expecting a loved one or family member to step in at the last minute like Ace did.

[queen arrow]

and yet he keeps going and doesn't stop

because he's made out of rubber, and rubber always bounces back

[red comet]

Boooo bad pun

[queen arrow]

it's literally a Luffy line

[red comet]

Meh

[cedar sinew]

the only options are kaido retreats or gets defeated by Luffy

first option doesn't work too well considering the gigantic build up from hundreds of chapters ago, and just within Wano itself

No one's going to come "save" Luffy from Kaido. That only happened once in MF in the entire story, and it had to be done for the timeskip narrative

[shrewd dune]

luffy weak 😦

maybe shanks+luffy vs kaido

[cedar sinew]

[weak arrow]

Tbf kuma also did, but again, timeskip narrative.

I still think it’d be interesting if the marines come. But it’d have to be Fuji trolling akainu

[cedar sinew]

oh I guess so yeah. Didn't really count that because luffy's objective was never to defeat Kizaru, he was just there as a consequence. But everytime Luffy has a set objective, he always accomplishes it with his own power no matter what, except for MF as stated

[queen arrow]

i think it's too late for anyone to join the conflict now

[cedar sinew]

I don't really want big names to start popping up last moment just to add into the surprise effect and escalate the conflict. Cp0 being there is enough for me on the WG aspect

[queen arrow]

Oda took an isolated scenario (Wano) and isolated it even more by making them go to Onigashima and then put Onigashima in the sky

[proud tree]

no. Shanks will just wait until luffy becomes a great pirate not help him.

[weak arrow]

Tbf, I still think there’s a fair chance onigashima lands on the capitol, and tbf again, Fuji is the one that can basically ignore that isolation

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think oda’s written himself into a corner or anything, it’s been made plenty clear that Luffy isnt capable of beating kaido on his own, and he’s literally not, he’s gotten help from 9 scabbards and four other supernova to wear kaido down and he’s still gonna have more from Yamato

[mint arch]

what if fujitora and vegapunk just betray navy out of the blue?

[weak arrow]

Big no from Fujitora. Vegapunk definitely has that possibility.

[grizzled fog]

Fujitora won’t go full opposition to the government til the final war I think

[cedar sinew]

Fujitora hates pirates, but he also hates the corrupt system that enables select pirates to flourish

Only thing I can see is him joining the revos towards the end of the story

[warm gust]

Possibly yeah

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think he has to join pirates to oppose the government as a common enemy

[warm gust]

If the government during the final war goes against his values

[cedar sinew]

by join i just meant work alongside for a common goal btw

[warm gust]

Such as civilians then yeah he can possibly switch or go against

[grizzled fog]

I definitely don’t see him loyally serving the CDs til the end

[weak arrow]

Fujitora gonna lift all the allied forces to marejois

[warm gust]

[cedar sinew]

fujji, smoker, and even koby maybe are definitely switching over from their traditional marine roles. Just set up to be that way from the beginning

[grizzled fog]

What do y’all think drake’s role is gonna be from here on out? I’m interested and I feel there’s a couple possibilities. I hope he does a lot more potentially in the final war but I’m not hopeful at all considering how little he’s done in Onigashima

[zinc iris]

i was hoping for the supernovas to gang up on kaido but alas

[weak arrow]

I think no matter what, he will rejoin the marines publicly. After that, he either rejoins and is very warm-hearted to the strawhats like Koby, or if someone like Law saves his life this war, law uses him to get info or to his advantage after he rejoins.

Although both might happen and we get that info from drake at the wano party

[grizzled fog]

I assume you mean for longer than they did? Or just the final blow? I kinda agree tbh, I would’ve liked the group fight to last just a tad longer

[weak arrow]

I wanted it without big mom there personally

Since Law can’t shambles Kaido, it’d be interesting.

[cedar sinew]

I feel like BM being there makes more sense thematically

but at the same time group fights just dont give enough opportunities for Oda to properly showcase each character. And the climax always ends up being a 1v1 anyway

[grizzled fog]

I was expected the five to gang up on kaido after booting big mom off honestly, even though it’d be hard to keep her away I thought it might be kinda counterproductive to split them up and then split their own forces up

[weak arrow]

Thematically yes, but I just wanted some good boss monster fight like Oars

2 boss monsters is a much different dynamic

[grizzled fog]

But then again I didn’t know we had a massive powerup coming

[main sigil]

The dream matchup was ruined . 5v1 to kill Kaido

[pseudo citrus]

Could Yamato and Ace destroying the statue of Kaido together be a metaphor for Yamato and Luffy working together to beat him in the coming chapters?

[cyan berry]

its not really a metaphor when it's spelled out by Yamato herself at almost every given oppurtunity

[pseudo citrus]

Just... Very on the nose.

[eager trout]

what if big mom is defeated but they run away from kaido ?

[cyan berry]

why would that happen

[eager trout]

big mom spilled her soul ( so she is like a voldmort in my eyes )
which means that they can defeat/kill her without having to fight her directly at most

[cyan berry]

you mean split?

[eager trout]

yeah

[cyan berry]

even if that were true, it wouldnt mean anything

[eager trout]

if big mom soul destroyed = big mom no more

[cyan berry]

Big Mom only gave parts of her soul to Zeus, Prom, Napoloen, and now Hera

the main part of her soul remains intact

[eager trout]

but if they defeat those ( zeus is dead btw ) she is going to get weaker

[cyan berry]

she didnt get any weaker between making hera and reabsorbing zeus

[grizzled fog]

There’s never been any evidence that harming her homies weakens her, or if they can even really be permanently defeated

[cyan berry]

she one shot page one during that time period

[grizzled fog]

Rather, her homies are affected by her condition, not the other way around

[eager trout]

but if they are destroyed i belive she is going to get weakned

[cyan berry]

Brook wounding Prometheus for example didnt wound Big Mom

[eager trout]

not wounding, but killing destroying them

[grizzled fog]

Zeus was just destroyed

[eager trout]

zeus was destroyed but she gave zeus soul to someone else

[grizzled fog]

Why would big mom willingly destroy Zeus if it made her weaker, not to mention we’ve no idea how to totally destroy them

Brook can harm them, but they’ve always recovered quite easily

Napoleon might be vulnerable being more of an object though

[weak arrow]

As long as Soul isn't apart of haki, which it doesnt appear to be, it wont make big mom herself weaker, per se, but she'd be more limited on spreading her soul out

[cyan berry]

and its not like she'll ever need more than 3 main homies at a time anyway

She's already a monster with only one at a time

[eager trout]

in that case there is 0% chance for the straw hats to win

[round cargo]

correct

[cyan berry]

good thing the strawhats arent the ones fighting her now then

[eager trout]

maybe law but who knows, maybe he can

[grizzled fog]

I do think Brook will leave Robin to handle maria and go help law and kid with BM, and spend the fight focusing on her homies

[weak arrow]

Hard to know whether permanently killing a homie would just destroy that part of her soul or if it'd basically just sort of return to BM. Based off how Moria's shadow system works, I imagine they just return.

[cyan berry]

i do wonder what happened to the Yokai homies Big Mom made a while back

[grizzled fog]

Brook can shine much more against BM anyway than Maria, as it is he’ll just play support for her and robin deserves a 1v1

[cyan berry]

so far the only one of those with any actual relevance is Maria's weapon

though thats mostly headcanon from me

[round cargo]

I think the soul doesn't return automatically just because bm had to send hera to fetch it for her

[weak arrow]

Don’t be underestimating Black Maria like that.

[eager trout]

with all due respect to kid, he ain't defeating big mom

[weak arrow]

If it’s destroyed I think it would, but she can’t recall it herself.

[grizzled fog]

Obviously not alone, literally no one thinks that

[eager trout]

not alone or with brook and everyone else combined

[grizzled fog]

You think no amount of help can bring her down?

[grizzled fog]

Wait what? You think it’s a homie?

[eager trout]

well if you call a yonko it might help or some sea

[round cargo]

it should be jinbe fighting bm

[cyan berry]

yes

[eager trout]

they are on a island surrounded by sea

[grizzled fog]

Law, Kid, Brook, Hawkins, Killer and maybe jinbe vs BM

[eager trout]

maybe gear four bazuka on big mom ?

[grizzled fog]

Luffy isn’t gonna fight BM here

[weak arrow]

Unless everyone in the live stage starts attacking BM, bar perospero, I don’t see anyone other than Kaido that can at least knock her down a peg so she can be taken out.

[eager trout]

Big mom is so strong she went to the sea and survived

[cyan berry]

Big Mom is also significantly less wounded than Kaido

[eager trout]

kaido maybe be wounded but i don't think those wounds are going to stop him any time soon

[grizzled fog]

Definitely don’t think it’s impossible to take her down at all, not if Kid and Law get powerups, and 3 or 4 other strong fighters pitch in

[eager trout]

what if luffy uses gear four stuffed man + conquerors haki to attack kaido ?

[grizzled fog]

Tank man wouldn’t be very helpful here

[weak arrow]

I mean, sending him away from onigashima for a couple minutes isn’t gonna be that useful

[cyan berry]

tankman isnt tanky enough to reliably block an attack from Kaido

[eager trout]

it's luffy most defensive gear four form until today

[weak arrow]

Yeah and it’s quite useless vs Kaido.

[grizzled fog]

Going all in on defense isn’t a good strategy against kaido

[eager trout]

luffy to defeat kaido has 3 choices
improve his attack
improve his defense
explore kaido wound made by oda

[grizzled fog]

3 choices defeat kaido solo you mean, which clearly isn’t happening

[eager trout]

i don't think a combined attack will do it for kaido either

maybe enmba full power that sucks zoro dried ?

[weak arrow]

Zoro is not gonna hit Kaido for the remainder of the arc

[grizzled fog]

Zoro isn’t fighting kaido again, he literally gave every ounce of power to give that scar

Yamato will help luffy

[eager trout]

yamato help might not be enough

[weak arrow]

Zoro was taken away from the 2 ways he could fight well. Some random Hawkins heal card and Law shambling him into somebody strong.

[nova glen]

he can't really defeat kaido if he only chose choice 2, even he can defend, then how longwill he last? And if he doesn't improve his attack then he won't be getting nowhere

[eager trout]

as the narrator said "1x1 kaido will win"

[weak arrow]

He probably is going to create a new gear 4 form when he makes it back up.

[eager trout]

but i don't see anyone with any kind of power to assist luffy to defeat kaido

[grizzled fog]

G4 Tiger man + Yamato VS Kaido sounds good to me

[weak arrow]

You mean Yamato who knocked out Ulti with one hit?

[eager trout]

anyone currently on the island anyway

[grizzled fog]

G4 likely gets luffy close to Kaido’s power anyway, problem is it’s not permanent

[eager trout]

yes

[queen arrow]

that's not what he said

[eager trout]

where did the tiger man theory came from ?

[grizzled fog]

“In a 1v1 always bet on kaido”

[weak arrow]

Cause dragonvs tiger mythology

[nova glen]

dont think so, it's a lot more inferior and yes, the time too

[grizzled fog]

Doubt it, base luffy can now put up a good fight, G4 probably gets him quite close to being on par with kaido

Using cocting might make him run out of G4 even faster too

[nova glen]

i just cant wrap my head around it when he punched kaido in that form and still didnt inflict as much

[weak arrow]

Punching in gear 4 is going to do a lot more damage than punching without it

[ancient vault]

Did someone ping me?

[eager trout]

funny thing i just searched for "enemy of dragon" and in the zoology it shows this thing

[nova glen]

and what is that called

[eager trout]

Ichneumon

[weak arrow]

Even a gear 3 punch couldn’t break a cracker, but gear 4 could

[grizzled fog]

You mean in act 1? He had no good way to do internal damage then, it’s mainly technique he was lacking not necessarily raw power as much

[proud wren]

What if katakuris love of donuts is a hint that he's aces secret boyfriend?

[eager trout]

has the theory "can tama controll kaido be denied " ?

[weak arrow]

yes

[nova glen]

well talking about the present him now, i guess he does have a chance

[weak arrow]

Usopp confirmed a few chapters ago that dangos dont work on Zoans (presumably he shot one into page one's mouth)

[grizzled fog]

Usopp confirmed her fruit only works on smiles and animals

[nova glen]

what u too are confusing, one says it doesn't one says it does

[grizzled fog]

rBats

Sorry typo, it doesn’t work on zoans

[eager trout]

and kaido is mythical zoan ...

[nova glen]

im not up to date, how did yamato side with luffy?? Ive seen people talking about it

[eager trout]

she is pro-oda

[grizzled fog]

You aren’t caught up with the manga?

[nova glen]

not really

[grizzled fog]

You should use #catching-up , most discussion in the manga channels is gonna be spoiler heavy for you

[nova glen]

i am bummed with school, i dont have the time, i just casually joined here too lol

well i dont mind spoilers

[eager trout]

ok it only affects smile fruit users

just went to confirm it

i think the key to defeating kaido evolves Momonosuke and tama but how ? don't know

and for some reason oden wife send momo to this specific time, she knew this was the moment kaido would be defeated

Like the Moon, you are ignorant of the Dawn. If there is one ardent wish that must be fufilled, it will be when nine shadows are cast woven together through twenty years of moonlits nights. Only then shall you understand the radiance of Dawn.

we can say that those 9 shadows could be the straw hats ( luffy + 9 )

[pure raven]

Well oden said to toki that 20 years later in future there sould be a strong group of pirates .

So toki simply sent half of the scabbards with momo to future ime 20 years later

To be noted . That the scabbards arrived sometime before raid

And that periode would be roughly 2 to 3 months( i assume)

After landing in wano kinemon and others left wano and went to zou then dresserosa then punk hazard

Then they gathered some help

Then they went followed back to dressersa then zou then punk hazzard

So it would be safe to assuem that they arrived in future 20 years later but not exact moment when kaido defeated.

[polar bison]

and even when she's alone with her homies after Brook hurts Prometheus, she doesn't mention anything about feeling threatened by him getting injured, just says it's a credit to Brook instead of admonishing him for getting hurt.

[junior cape]

Kidd and Law vs. BM is gonna be a fun one

[loud ibex]

I hope he lands on big mom ship that would be 10x interesting

[grizzled fog]

Why is Hiyori there but not carrot lmao

[pastel summit]

Hiyori hasn't even met Luffy, and people are considering her over Carrot.

[pure raven]

How is hyori/ shadow perosn goung to save him

[grizzled fog]

Use her magic bandages on his corpse I guess

Maybe dive in the ocean

[normal plume]

Could Kaidou save him he seems disappointed he just threw him off

He needs the body as proof right

[grizzled fog]

That’s such a funny thought. “Luffy-kun I’m sorry I hurt you! “

[normal plume]

Hahaha well save his fall only just to have his body as trophy like he wishes

[pastel summit]

I did forget about Marco, but I think Marco is a weird inbetween. Momo has a good narrative purpose for saving Luffy, but he's not in the proper situation to do so atm. Marco is somewhat in a situation to do so, (though not really, but he's also probably the fastest person in Onigashima rn), but he doesn't have a huge narrative reason to do so. BMP I could see being there, but I don't understand how Luffy survives that. Law's crew would be the most likely ship that actually saves him, don't think Law himself could do it, he's nowhere close. Yamato I also considered a bit, if she comes up just as Luffy got defeated, then has a DF that does enable her to fly somewhat, but that'd mean we skip over her meeting Kaido and she just jumps off and saves Luffy, and probably won't go back up until Luffy is fully recovered. Then Carrot is someone who has a good narrative reason for saving Luffy AND is currently in the most able position to save him (not in combat, outside the dome, could probably see Luffy falling). But she's just not considered, and people go for meme stuff like "octopus saves him"

I think Luffy saving himself is probably the worst option. Luffy landing on Wano is fine, but I think it's the most boring.

[normal plume]

If Law isn’t too far from where he descends he could also room

[pastel summit]

but he is

Law is in the dome. he can't even see Luffy. Even if his obs haki is good enough to sense specifically that Luffy is falling, it still takes time for him to create a large room

[normal plume]

I see thanks for clarifying. Also its possible for Luffy to wake up last moment and stretch to safety as someone calls out his name or something

[pastel summit]

Very similar situation to Momo. Momo is waaaay too far away to save Luffy. He's like in the 3rd floor of the tower, and he can't break through it. Maybe Shinobu could, but I think it's a huge reach for Momo to randomly appear next to Luffy before Luffy reaches the ocean.

[normal plume]

are there any Smiles with wings under our control nearby?

[pastel summit]

Yeah it's possible, I just think it's the worst option. I think Luffy saving himself kinda kills the point. He needs other peoples' help to beat Kaido rn, so him saving himself goes against that. Someone should be saving him.

[normal plume]

to an extent, but not that far an extent as it won't take away the message too much (him saving himself now)-as so many people have already helped so much

also we don't absolutely know if Yamato has a DF, so lots of possibilities for how he's saved.

maybe Ussop can launch some plant seed if he spots him descending at that point

[grizzled fog]

It’s pretty safe to say Yamato has a fruit

[normal plume]

But closest and most likely is Kaidou or Marco

[pastel summit]

I doubt Kaido would save him.

[normal plume]

it would be funny hahaha if he regrets it so much, go fetch him right

[pastel summit]

That just seems weird. Marco maybe, but he's in the middle of a fight. I don't think he could even if he was fully aware of the situation, since King would stop him.

[normal plume]

but likely he'll start drinking in the meanwhile

at any rate however he's saved (unless its by himself) he's gonna need a few minutes to recover. So best that can happen is Kaidou starts drinking instead of hunting everyone else or else..well this could be interesting a Yamato and Kaidou solo

interesting not for the fight but the conversation that will take place there

[pastel summit]

Yamato will confront Kaido, and they'll talk. Maybe fight and talk, but I'm confident that Yamato and Kaido will lead to Kaido flashback.

[normal plume]

yea because the context of what their saying is a perfect way to transition into the flashback

we can expect it in the next few chaps seems so for now

[pseudo citrus]

Yamato meeting Kaido into flashback is such an obvious move for Oda that I feel like he's gonna subvert it in some way

[pastel summit]

this reminds me of "Komurasaki being Hiyori is so obvious, it can't be true." people have a very weird expectation that anything obvious can't happen, and must be subverted.

[pseudo citrus]

I also don't see what relevance Yamato's history has to do with what's going on... like maybe Kaido will see that mom beat up two of the Tobi Roppo and we'll flash back to them together with Rocks

lol very fair... but tbf I want that flashback more than anything atm, so I'm trying to temper my expectations a bit

[slate zodiac]

Kaido backstory is gonna show us more rocks and is gonna be about betrayal I think

[pastel summit]

It'll happen. If BM gets a flashback, I'm certain Kaido will. and there's some unknowns with Kaido and Yamato, and there's been a lot of buildup towards Kaido's past, unlike BM's. Hers kinda just happened, and we got more insight into her as a character.

[pseudo citrus]

yeah that's definitely important, but Yamato was born after the Rocks stuff, right? that's what I mean by it seeming weird that Yamato is the trigger of the Kaido/Rocks backstory

and there's no question Kaido will get a flashback, just how/when/what about is the question

[pastel summit]

yeah, but Yamato siding with Luffy is another act of betrayal. Kaido expects her to be the new shogun of new onigashima. And betrayal has been something kaido and his crew has talked about a lot.

so it'll tie into it.

[slate zodiac]

Took the words out of my mouth lmao

[grizzled fog]

Not just kaido and his crew, it’s been a major theme for this whole ass saga

[slate zodiac]

Betrayal has been a big theme in wano and I don’t see kaido getting a backstory that will be sad I think it’s gonna show us how kaido got betrayed in the past and more about the downfall of rocks and the way it can start is yamato running up on kaido cuz that’s another act of betrayal

Biggest run on sentence lol

[pseudo citrus]

this sentence was brought to you by the storyboard of the last two anime eps

[pseudo citrus]

I'm still new here, so apologies if this has come up before, but: could Kaido's desire to have a glorious death be a reaction to how Rocks was basically erased from history? Maybe he was even captured instead of killed.

[grizzled fog]

It seems more likely based off of the deaths of people like Roger, WB, and Oden. They all had grandiose deaths that had huge impacts or left behind legacies, and kaido himself seems to glorify the death of a person, rather than their lives. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738580480437387264/837732150643523606/Screen_Shot_2021-04-30_at_19.48.05.png

[queen arrow]

yeah, he says that Roger Oden and Whitebeard "did it right", and he thinks that death is what truly completed a person

[gloomy canyon]

We'll see why he thinks that in his flashback tho

Like the events that caused this philosophy

[grizzled fog]

Gonna parrot mip here and point out the cool juxtaposition between his glorification of death and Yamato and oden’s appreciation of life. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738580480437387264/837741097324773496/Screen_Shot_2021-04-30_at_20.21.58.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738580480437387264/837741403130953769/Screen_Shot_2021-04-30_at_20.24.28.png

[amber oar]

It would be interesting if Kaido dies "Hiriluk's death", he kicks the bucket and people just move on

[grizzled fog]

I’ve thought about how interesting it could be if he got a really bland death and actually didn’t get the kind of grand death he wanted, but I honestly can’t imagine a way for him to die and not have a massive impact on the world around him, and making a huge spectacle out of it

[gloomy canyon]

I don't know how he dies either

I can't think of anything I'm confident in

[grizzled fog]

I’m not confident in anything ever, but the dying over the flower capital idea seems sound

[drowsy cosmos]

Kaido isnt going to die. Luffy has been there to always deny the wish of the antagonist. If Kaido dies he wins

[grizzled fog]

Luffy didn’t deny enel’s dream

Enel achieved his

[drowsy cosmos]

I doubt Kaido is going to die though given his endurance

[pseudo citrus]

wasn't enel's dream to destroy sky island?

[drowsy cosmos]

to go to the moon

[grizzled fog]

His dream was to get to the Moon. He destroyed Skypeia because he was a dick

[drowsy cosmos]

I need to rewatch Skypeia

[pure raven]

Probably when he's at his weakest orochi might appear and kill him

[pure raven]

Maybe that might be the moment when zoro takes out orochi since it has been hyped up

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think there will ever be a moment when orochi can kill kaido, I don’t think he can damage his corpse lol

[pastel summit]

unless he gives kaido a smile

but that's very cringe

[grizzled fog]

That opportunity passed when luffy saved killer from being eaten

[pure raven]

I think he might be able to kill kaido if he's defenseless and on verge of death

[grizzled fog]

To think kaido has attempted suicide twice mid battle

There’s literally no way kaido can ever be defenseless.

[pure raven]

And how do you know that, I'm hypothesising
You're actin like it's a fact

Kaido can be defenseless if taken down

Well maybe he can't but it's all just a possibility, denying it makes no sense

[grizzled fog]

His body is literally so tough that even on the verge of death he’ll still be invincible to most people

[pastel summit]

denying it makes sense because it's implied it's an inherent toughness.

[pure raven]

Well let's see about that

[keen kelp]

Kaido = King Ghidorah, and yes King can be taken down

[pure raven]

I'm at a dead end, I can't think of anyway the allied forces can win against kaido and big mom

[keen kelp]

Watch Stampede again. Bullet is a placeholder for Kaido

[pure raven]

Big mom's forces are all fresh and unharmed
King, queen and jack have yet to show their hybrid forms
Kaido is still alive and well
Big mom is almost at 90 percent
Law and zoro are out

Two yonkos with their armies

[grizzled fog]

Law is not out

Big mom’s forces probably aren’t joining onigashima

[keen kelp]

Makes no sense for Zoro to be able to recover and join the fight - but he will anyway

[grizzled fog]

Not in a major way

[glad breach]

Exactly what I been saying

The strongest allies are the supernovas and the scabbards , and all the scabbards are KOd and the two strongest supernovas are KOd

[grizzled fog]

Kaido is very tired at this point, if luffy gets help from Yamato he can beat him in one last bout. Jack is injured and occupied by inu, queen has angered like everyone in the live floor, he’s gonna get ganged up on, King can be taken by sanji, Big mom is soon to be facing kid and law, and they’re certain to get help form others.

[pastel summit]

Well, my theory is Big Mom isn't taken out, and we get Kid + Law + Luffy + Yamato vs Kaido

[grizzled fog]

Scabbards are not currently KOed, also only supernova that’s really KOed long term is zoro, luffy is obviously getting up. Kid and Law are on their way to BM

[glad breach]

Even if they all win their battles, they’ll all be tired asf and the big mom pirates ares still chilling in the back

Have we even seen any big mom pirates in the fight except like perospero

[grizzled fog]

No, and that’s fine because the BM pirates don’t have to join the fight

Not like they can atm, seeing as how the island is flying

[glad breach]

Why was the island flying again I forgot

[gloomy canyon]

Kaido is moving it to the flower capital as part of his New Onigashima Project

To make mainland Wano his base of operation

[pastel summit]

Well, as much as I'd like to rail on the BMP for being incompetent losers, they need a reason to leave. and even if BM is defeated on Onigashima, they won't know that until they see her defeated. and by the time they see her, they'd be on Wano already. and who knows what they'd do while there.

[grizzled fog]

If kaido comes down and sees ulti and page one KOed and turns on BM, then the BM pirates might just end up fighting against the beast pirates

[pastel summit]

sure. assuming the fight extends to the mainland

[keen kelp]

Seems like Pero has his own plan regarding Wano. So BP vs BM might happen

Did Marco ever clarify when he came to Wano? Is it just to help Strawhats?

[pastel summit]

yes

[pastel summit]

ghostpinged

[pure raven]

Well wouldnt want big mom vs kaido at this moment

Luffy and yamao defeating kaido
Kidd and law defeating bm

And defeating kaido even in 2v1 will give luffy a major power boost which is needed at thhis point for the arcs ahead

Would be better because after wano we would be ik final arc we can expect luffy and crew to go to fight bb or go to shanks then visit laughtale and war aginst wg

And i personally wouldnt want luffy to loose 2 or 3 times against shanks or bb then train again and then fight again

As bb will just kill him thats the kinda of guy he is he wouldnt take risk .

And in fight against shanks luffy could learn similar to katakuri fight

[zinc iris]

I mean both fighting him for longer and being all part of his defeat

[pure raven]

Will kaido die this arc (as oda hardly kills character amd considering kaidos wish to die)

Then who could it be to kill him(when he is down landing the final blow) kinemon and others or straw hats

[rare plaza]

luffy fosho

[pseudo citrus]

has luffy killed anyone yet?

[pure raven]

No none of the sh s

[pseudo citrus]

I want to say Jinbe could have, if anyone

[pure raven]

Well jinbei and zoro killed before joining shs

[lunar shell]

What dya think will happen to Luffy anyway. I myself believe Tama will save him with her speech

[pure raven]

And luffy talk to kaido and eveything settles and fight stops and kaido leaves wano

[lunar shell]

No. With Tama's speech Luffy master a new gear, the gear 5

The one that change the course of fate.

[pure raven]

Luffy can also talk to kaido and change his mood and kaido leave the wano

Only serious theories here .

[lunar shell]

Just cuz i'm ahead of your thinking process ability doesnt mean I m not serious

[pure raven]

Ok
I apolozige my bad i m kinda dumb

[lunar shell]

I ll forgive it this time

[kind frigate]

Maybe kadio fruit give him a boost when he is 1 vs 1 , like for example a become stronger than opponent ability or be equal to opponents or immunity to damage when 1 on 1

[opaque pivot]

Interesting

[kind frigate]

Or maybe his fruit give him the ability to level up whenever he defeated an opponent, that alone give him a justification to be the strongest creature, thus giving him the ability to defeat anyone and the only way to defeat him is to overcome his power which needs a lot of companied works of a large group of powerful opponents

[indigo pollen]

theory as of latest manga chapter luffy hasnt lost yet because he used gear 4th and is just recharging his haki. law is gonna find him and while big mom and kaido fight cause otamas home got destroyed luffy appears after 10 min in gear 5th

[lunar shell]

Tama is the key. To everything

[pure raven]

Think the tama thing has been dropped

[desert sedge]

Maybe buri, but i think she only hates tama now for leaving her but not the kuri people who help her.

[pastel summit]

I think that flippant attitude is still gonna result in Kaido breaking ties with BM. BM beats up 2 of his crewmembers, for a reason that she abandons 2 minutes later. Not just Kaido, but the beast pirates as a whole wouldn't want to ally with her, knowing she bears some meaningless grudge.

So I think either Beast Pirates (specifically the executives) or Kaido himself are gonna start fighting BM soon.

[neat sky]

i am confused

alot of peple are saaying luffy died

but didnt he just pass out ?

[copper frost]

he got knocked off

[zinc iris]

they are probably just joking

nobody seriously claims the main character is going to die before the finale

[sonic crescent]

it’s probably just the gear fourth timer running out tbh

like how in dressrosa there was that 10 minute gap

[zinc iris]

i doubt luffy was going to use G4 solo before a finishing blow

[pure raven]

Finale = final chapter or just the climax of the entire series?

[zinc iris]

because he kneows then he would be helpless for 10 mins
at least when they were 5 the others could protect him during the cooldown

[zinc iris]

final chapter(s)

[pure raven]

Damn I still think Luffy's gonna die before the end

[zinc iris]

well it's hard to continue the story without him

[pure raven]

Oda could do it, even if it's for a short while like a Zou length arc at the end

[zinc iris]

because despite the world at large having its own events, the story is luffy's story

we will get to see the war for the fate of the world solely because luffy is going to play a role in it

otherwise it would be offscreen and you'd read it in the newspapers between arcs

[pure raven]

I think marco the blue bird will save luffy

And heal him.

What do you guys think?

[pastel summit]

Maybe, but Marco is fighting King right now. I doubt he will be able to just leave that easily.

[pure raven]

Yeah, that is the only possible way for luffys comeback

[pastel summit]

I don't think it's the only possible way.

[trail marsh]

Sanji could save him

[pastel summit]

I think most likely is Carrot is saves him, and he recovers on Wano mainland. Then when he's fully recovered (probably eats some food), he goes back, but Onigashima will be almost over the capital.

[trail marsh]

Luffy is flying off the island isn't he

[pastel summit]

He's flying off Onigashima, yeah. but I think Carrot will jump off and use sulong to kinda fly to wano mainland

and he will recover there

[trail marsh]

She can't fly is sulong she just jump hella far

Once she jump out she ain't coming back

[copper frost]

She can control her flight and trajectory

[trail marsh]

Hmm imma rewatch her sulong fight

[pastel summit]

she can kinda fly. she curves upwards here, and in her first encounter with zoro, she floats in midair to dodge his attack.

[trail marsh]

Ohh yeah that's right my bad she could potentially save him

[pastel summit]

sulong gives her really good aerial mobility. Good enough to where imo it's realistic that she could jump off and land in the capital where someone could heal up luffy.

[copper frost]

Of course it's not necessarily flying for an extended period of time but she can fly in a sense that Choc described

[trail marsh]

I remember she double jumped over Luffy or someone in normal form

So yeah make sense she has control in the air in sulong form

[pastel summit]

yeah. against zoro.

[trail marsh]

So people that can save her on Marco, sanji, carrot and law

[pastel summit]

she has some of the best aerial movement we've seen from someone without wings.

[trail marsh]

Save him*

[pastel summit]

I think Law's crew is also a possibility. because they're in the submarine

[trail marsh]

But onigashima is in the sky. If it wasn't in the sky I'd consider kawamatsu or jinbe being able to swim him back

[pastel summit]

yeah. Luffy CAN get up on his own with G4 though, but then he'd be using it before he fights with Kaido again so I don't know if that's likely.

[trail marsh]

Or Luffy just regain consciousness mid air and stretch his arm out and fling himself back

[pastel summit]

possible, but I don't like that one.

[trail marsh]

Same

[pastel summit]

I think he needs to recover anyway, so I doubt he'd go immediately back to the fight.

[trail marsh]

Nami could ride zues but she is very occupied

Zeus*

[pastel summit]

zeus just got eaten tho

[trail marsh]

Nah nami shoved her climatakt into Heras mouth when she ate Zeus. She's probably feeding him and then he'll bust out

[pastel summit]

Could be. but I think he'll need time to recover. he might show up near the end of the raid/arc.

I think Carrot still is most likely 'cause she's actually outside the dome, while everyone else is still inside. So Carrot is the only person who would actually see Luffy falling.

[trail marsh]

True true

[pastel summit]

and also she hasn't really done much in the arc yet, so I think it'd be good for her character to do something like this.

[trail marsh]

Yeah

[pastel summit]

sucks that it's a break week and we have to wait 2 weeks to find out. arc is so chaotic. Any other ideas what you think is gonna happen next chapter? Or you think it'll mostly be the Luffy stuff?

[trail marsh]

Probably kid vs bm. I want sanji to do something. his biggest feat so far is taking a big hit from king and acting like nothing happened but compared to what Luffy and zoro been doing that's nothing

[pastel summit]

Yeah. I was expecting something big from Sanji, 'cause usually when he's offscreen for a while, he's doing something in the background, but this time wasn't the case. You could be right and he could save Luffy. He probably has the best observation haki there, so he could sense it, and he's probably also the fastest person there.

[zinc iris]

however I wonder what would happen after carrot catches him

[fathom matrix]

This may sound dumb, but what if the one piece could be a living thing? Like, I believe in the whole destroy the red line theory, but whta if the one piece could a living thing, or maybe like the giant yoshi egg on roger's ship, maybe their's something that hatches.

It could be a dragon, because dragons are very significant. Or a living thing like with the egg, COULD be one of them

Oda said it's something tangible, but he never stated what it actually is. As long as it's not the concept of friendship or some advice, it's fine

[pastel summit]

Well, Carrot and Luffy both had fights in which they weren't thinking properly. Carrot consumed by anger fought Perospero during the raid, and it caused her to lose because she was too angry. Luffy got too cocky and tried to fight Kaido on his own just because he got a shiny new power, and caused him to lose. So both will reassess their mental state going back to Onigashima, while they both recover on the mainland. and by the time they're ready to fight, we see Onigashima floating over the capital, which is gonna indicate that the raid would be ending soon. Since onigashima is the timer.

[pastel summit]

It's definitely not the egg, because Roger never found the One Piece. He explicitly states that someone else will surpass them and actually find it.

[trail tundra]

Roger found it, but didn’t understand it. I’m pretty sure that’s why he said that

[zinc iris]

hmm
i thought roger found it there and left it there because he was going to die too soon to make use of it

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, I wasn't gonna suggest it was the egg itself. It was implied and I think said that the one piece was already there, before Roger discovered it. I think Roger might have left the egg there, BUT I'm thinking something like an egg of a living being could be part of or the one piece. Just throwing out a spit balling idea.

[pastel summit]

and they have no idea!! wa ha ha!!
Implying that this is a false statement. Or at least, uninformed. https://i.imgur.com/vAioOT6.png

They were too early to find it, but they know what it is. Whatever it is, specifically requires the use of Poseidon.

[fathom matrix]

Oh ok, the egg's still there

so he DIDN'T drop it off

[zinc iris]

He says the public opinion is wrong in assuming the one piece is his the riches he accumulated

[pastel summit]

yes, and then look at the next image. He says "someone will eventually surpass it" and "I wonder who will find the One Piece"

HEAVILY indicating that Roger and his crew never found it, but they are aware of what it is, or how to get it, as he asks about Poseidon, which ties into the Sea Kings, and that they were too early. No Poseidon existed in their era, so they could not actually find the One Piece.

[zinc iris]

Surpass him because they will make use of the one piece while Roger could not

[pastel summit]

he doesn't say use, he says find.

[zinc iris]

Oh god oh fuck I had a terrible idea

[pure raven]

I wonder who will find it (next)

[pastel summit]

don't think it says that

[zinc iris]

The one piece was sent in the future by a Toki Toki user in the void century

[pastel summit]

I forgot that one piece was called something different in jp then I remembered when I looked for this panel.

[waxen light]

What is it called?

[pure raven]

hitotsunagi or something?

I think Oda left it open to interpretation as well

[pastel summit]

Uhhhhhhhhh. if I look at it very literally, I think it's like "one connect of great treasure" but idk how to word that properly. I think it's like, Great Treasure that Connects Everything? Mip has probably said it before. multiple times. and I've just forgotten. and I'm bad at translating this.

[pure raven]

Wiki come through

[waxen light]

Damn that's pretty cool.

[pastel summit]

damn I was off. Idk the last 2 kanji at all.

[waxen light]

"One sea at peace" So this is where all the One Peace stuff comes from

[pastel summit]

but I did know the first. 😎

[past river]

the last 2 kanji are for hidden treasure

[pastel summit]

Oh wait. cool. reading that wiki bit actually makes sense. It can be read as hitotsu-nagi.

I figured it was something to do with treasure, so I just guessed.

I think probably the 2nd reading is what Oda is going for.

[past river]

I don't really know why that second translation is 'the rope linking all men'

what is that rope doing there

sure, 繋ぎ can refer to binding a rope together in a knot or something

but it can also just as well be used for metaphorically joining things together or connecting things together

[pastel summit]

I think it's more just the bind/connect ye. Idk why they would use rope, but I guess they're trying to be literal?

[waxen light]

like a bond maybe?

[past river]

It's not really more or less literal I would say, just one specific way to use the verb.

For example wanze

but it can also be used when calling a call centre and they tell you they'll connect you with someone that can help you

I'd translate it as a whole as 'the great hidden treasure that connects all men'

[waxen light]

This is gonna kick my ass trying to learn. I took one semester of JP so like I know how to ask for directions. Kanji is a whole 'nother beast...

[pastel summit]

I've been trying. downloaded an app. It has 80 kanji for free, so if I learn those, I'll pay the $15 to get the rest.

[waxen light]

I've just got my genki book and looking at it for an hour a day but I should probably look at apps as well

[past river]

genki is good for grammar, I would not rely on it to learn kanji.

[pastel summit]

I completely fucked up earlier and forgot hito also means person. and I was like "great treasure that connects one? that doesn't make any sense"

still need more practice.

[past river]

Yeah without the kanji it's easy to get stuck on one possible reading since there are so many homonyms. It's why I still can't listen to Japanese for shit.

[pure raven]

An un-named user would like to say

I cant type but nagi in "calm at sea" is also corazon's fruit

🏃‍♂️

[lunar shell]

What about tama being budfha though

[tired osprey]

More like jesus, kibidangos instead of bread and wine

[pure raven]

buggy vs kaido. I have this theory as he has very strong plot armour and will survive

[cyan berry]

@pure raven please refer to this channel's topic and keep it serious in here

[pure raven]

ok nero birdo kingo queeno

[wicked cairn]

twitter has some wild theories but this is the wildest one ive seen thus far, and it is with 1013
https://twitter.com/EustassZay/status/1393361436928352256

“Waptain” Wid🦾 (@EustassZay)

BROOOOO?👀

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Twitter · May 15, 2021, 12:23 AM

tldr, kidd unconsciously used CoC on punk gibson, but used it incorrectly and big mom got bruises from that attack.

and the white aura and smear lines surrounding gibson's hand is the same CoC aura that luffy used to attack kaido

[pure raven]

One problem: no black lightning

[grizzled fog]

Yea I don’t think he used coc there

[pure raven]

whats coc?

[solemn robin]

I was going to Ask the same question

[peak arrow]

coc and balls in yo mouth tho fr its conquerors

[pure raven]

Conqueror's Haki/Colour of the Supreme King Haki

[solemn robin]

Okay

[marble zinc]

the reason its CoC is because Color of Conqueror's

I just call it haoshoku cause I like the japanese name better

[peak arrow]

yh haoshoku sounds better but more ppl know it as conqueror's

[marble zinc]

ya observation, armament, conquerors, or kenbunshoku, busoshoku, haoshoku

[dusky acorn]

Yeah I saw this, don't really agree with it either

Albeit the impact of the Gibson still does look different from the 2 shots we got from it against Apoo

There was none of that white bubble with cross hatching on the contour there, which is reminiscent of coc. Still don't think that's what it is though, nor did it make her face bleed there lol

[grizzled fog]

If she has any scratches on her face after I think it’s just dirt or something

[wicked cairn]

she did shake her head off so i doubt it, but oda has been on and off about drawing light bruises on big mom since the rooftop

[dusky acorn]

The real feat was that he overpowered her and got her dazed a bit similar to the attacks on Kaido, which is why she had to shake it off

No real damage yet I think

[solemn robin]

I think it's just the impact of the ground tackle

[hollow grotto]

From the looks of it, the white aura just looks like normal impact. There's direct contact versus any of the others presented that have the white aura on the inside

[eager trout]

next chapter big mom is going to get up and say "thanks for the message"

[grizzled fog]

¿

[ancient vault]

Faguto reaching

[warped patio]

Faguto Clutching at straws

[dusky acorn]

Okay well going back, the look of this Gibson impact also didn't occur on any of his Rotten attacks, so maybe there's something going on here. If the white aura was merely in front of his palm instead, I would have believed it was conqeurors, or just Big Mom remarking something, but it didn't happen.

I guess you can still stretch it and say this is just because Kid doesn't know how to flow properly yet which is what the tweet was pushing, but there's no precedence to really say. Luffy is the only case we have of seeing someone in the midst of learning the new conquerors, albeit he simply picked up on it right away.

[zinc iris]

for some reason before looking closely at this i though kidd pushed her in the floor face-first

[warped patio]

She would be protected by her iron balloon or CoC coating

[zinc iris]

well for me it made sense in that he conjured the metal hand behind her

as he can control it detached from him as seen with the "mecha suit" on the roof

[versed minnow]

As long as he wasn't physically touching it, would kidd be able to manipulate metal infused with sea-prism stone?

Because that would be OP.

[queen arrow]

it would weaken devil fruit users a bit, and be able to hurt Logias, but it wouldn't really be OP since he can't control the seastone itself or pure seastone