manga-theories

[covert hazel]

He doesn't want to spoil the adventure by telling him everything

[molten wolf]

he was just like "yo you gotta fight to the death to learn this kind of shit, okay? can't do that here"

[hidden prism]

yeah I don't think he was trying to write Luffy a textbook about every detail regarding Haki and its applications, he was just trying to get him started on the right path. This is even consistent with character development, becuase Luffy nearly burst a blood vessel when Rayleigh was going to reveal teh secrets of laugh tale... wanting to take on the journey organically

[molten wolf]

I disagree

Zoro's teacher back in East Blue told him he could coat his swords with Armament when Zoro was a kid

[pastel summit]

I mean, very big difference between invalidating an adventure and saying "these are techniques you can do with haki lmao figure them out yourself by almost dying"

[molten wolf]

it came back to him later when he needed it

I doubt Luffy would be like "yeah I don't want to learn power moves or that they exist". It's different than learning what One Piece or Laugh Tale is

[hidden prism]

I guarantee you this isn't the end of haki exploration, there will be more techniques too. I don't think it would have been logical for Rayleigh to be like "here is every possible way anyone has ever used haki, including the most advanced applications that you won't be capable of for a long time"

[pastel summit]

I mean, didn't take him that long.

[hidden prism]

just everything that happened after the time skip so far :-p

[pastel summit]

yeah, which has only been a few months lol

[hidden prism]

but look at what has happened in that time

[molten wolf]

except Rayleigh did tell him and show him 2 of those advanced applications

[hidden prism]

So I don't think there is an argument to be made that Rayleigh didn't now about the existence of this technique, so why else would he not tell him? To me, it logically follows that he wouldnt exhaustively explain every detail of all possibilities - it wasn't his goal

[molten wolf]

one was telling him about future sight and the other was showing the emission armament on the elephant

but as for conquerors, he just goes on and say "yeah you can just knock out fodder with it and that's it"

not saying we should have gotten it on screen, because Oda may not have wanted to spoil stuff, but Luffy could have gotten a "flashback" of sorts in this chapter remembering Rayleigh telling him this, like it happened with Advanced Observation

[coarse river]

He saw Roger vs WB, so he knew CoC application on attack

[dark palm]

As I said, advanced CoC is the most abstract of the three

[hidden prism]

omg, I just youtubed this to get a quick quote for this conversation and came across english dub anime 🤮

[coarse river]

Agree, fb from hyo & ray would've been better

[pastel summit]

it's the most abstract and is the one Luffy picked up on instantly. lol

[dark palm]

I mean, it’s still the most abstract

We don’t even know what the fuck it is

[pastel summit]

yeah because we got an explanation on conqueror's by rayleigh that doesn't facilitate it.

[pure raven]

hm

[pastel summit]

that's really our main explanation on what CoC even is.

[molten wolf]

at this point it just looks like an Emission Armament, where you don't even need to touch your opponent

so it doubles down on that if you know Emission Armament

[coarse river]

With added power & haki, which in turn sparks black lightning?

[molten wolf]

I don't know if that's just for cool visual effect or if Oda even wants to do anything with it

[hidden prism]

im sure he does

[coarse river]

https://i.imgur.com/n8WtVd4.png

[molten wolf]

I doubt many of those instances is conquerors

[dark palm]

[molten wolf]

specially Ulti's, Sanji's and Franky's panels. Not gonna say Issho's isn't, but I'd say that's his DF power too

[dark palm]

The lingering haki effect is the CoC indicator

The lightning is just a strong clash

[coarse river]

Yeah, strong friction or high concentration of haki

And yeah, Ulti's one is debunked because if it's CoC, her head won't touch usopp's

[boreal mica]

touching or not isnt an indicator of coc, kaidos kanabo was touching luffy when he hit him

@coarse river

[boreal mica]

I'm talking about the first time he hit him give me a second

[coarse river]

I see..
Who do you think is coc owner in that pic I sent? Your thoughts?

[boreal mica]

this is the attack after which luffy understood what kaido was doing, they're definitely touching

[visual merlin]

dunno could just be that it's not close enough for us to see

[coarse river]

So it can be both touching or not

[boreal mica]

how are they not xd

[visual merlin]

It's not very close up, it could be that Kaido is trying to hit his head which is lower into the ground than his legs

[tired osprey]

zoro coc foreshadowing?

[boreal mica]

idk I feel like oda would have shown that if that was the case, especially if he wanted to reveal the secret behind the next chapter

[pure raven]

will

[visual merlin]

if zoro did have CoC back then, maybe, but then all the times zoro intimidated someone would be foreshadowing

[tired osprey]

yeah

could be that all of those times were leading up to this moment

[coarse river]

I think someone notice a glare sfx used by haoshoku stare

[bitter flower]

So how does Kevin Lee Sanji fit into this?

Part of me hopes he makes his way to Killer/Kidd vs Big Mom

[gilded wagon]

He didn’t pick up on it instantly, Kaido used it on him during their first battle and he had no idea what it was, he only picked up on it after seemingly mastering “ryuo“

[pastel summit]

he did pick up on it instantly. luffy is referring to the ragnaraku, not the first thunder bagua. regardless, once he realized what kaido was doing, he knew exactly how to do it. so he still picked up on it instantly.

[granite quarry]

Im new and I'm not caught up by 3 chapters. And I'm no scholar, but Luffy was also training it towards the end of Act 2

Probably didnt master it, rather has the entire basic concept down pact

[tired osprey]

you need to pass your one piece exam to talk in here

[granite quarry]

Appreciate the help dad, I'll go do that

[zinc iris]

not every intimidation is CoC dammit

[molten wolf]

it would make more sense to me if every attack Kaido used was using CoC coating, and Luffy started picking up on that and making more sense of it, rather than just one attack and Luffy instantly catching up on that

but as per what Luffy said, it was just that one attack

I mean, Luffy picked up on Soru after a few times of seeing it, right? This, he picked up on instantly

same for Katakuri's advance observation haki. It wasn't a one time thing and he instantly learned. He spent 10 hours "studying" and trying to use it

[fathom rivet]

that makes logical sense

but oda hasnt directly stated anything about it him not using it the entire time it might be like a percentage/intensity of haki used right im just spit balling here i just wanna see what he says about it in the next rooftop chapter

but it makes a lot more sense if kaido had been using it the entire time and luffy then picks up on it rather than a one and done

[sly widget]

is it known why it took roger so many years to get from lodestar to laugh tale? and why did he go from lodestar back to skypiea?

[sonic lichen]

He couldn’t read the ponegliffs

[molten wolf]

he couldn't decipher where Laugh Tale was without Oden, aka a Kozuki that could read it.
As for why he went to Lodestar back to Skypiea, maybe it was because he had to go back and start again on the Grand Line, and went on a different path this time?

[sly widget]

ah right, oden! thank you for the reminder

[amber oar]

I wonder why he didn't seek help from Ohara. Like, not a single soul was willing to help?

and there's a good chance Roger took a detour in West Blue because that's where Shanks comes from

[sand sail]

That's exactly what happened, and we were actually told this back at Zou. Roger revised his journey once he reached Lodestar and realized he needed to double back.

[molten wolf]

yeah, I figured that was the reason, but I wasn't sure about it

[balmy wigeon]

He was able to "hear" the poneglyphs

But not understand it

Lmao it's like Roger is following the sidequests in Assassin's Creed in the minimap

[prisma vault]

I wish ussop found some way to incorporate seastone into his weapons to upgrade his abilities while in wano.

[winter wave]

Theory : Wado Ichimonji is a cursed blade and if you are not worthy of using it, Down D. Stairs is summoned to end your life.

[sand sail]

This channel is a meme-free zone

[winter wave]

Let me have this moment

[turbid locust]

My theory is that nami and sanji will fall in love 🥺🥺

[amber oar]

Theory : Wado Ichimonji is a cursed blade
This actually doesn't sound bad
and if you are not worthy of using it, Down D. Stairs is summoned to end your life.
Delete your account

[winter wave]

Ok ...

Didn't know it was like that

[amber oar]

but in a more serious note, what if indeed Kuina's death was the work of a cursed blade? Though if I'm honest I don't think that will be explored further.

Oda couldn't even find space to fit the Shimotsuki subplot in the manga, and had to put it in the SBS

[sand sail]

Interesting take. I actually was on board with that for a second too, I'd like that as a new angle to it

[amber oar]

Wonder if the topic of cursed blades will be explained at some point. Oda usually explains phenomenons in OP, but for now cursed blades and black blades just kinda "exist". Even the link between black blades and haki hasn't really been confirmed, just looks like a natural explanation

[kind gate]

hawkins cards need to explained before anything
or are there any theories on it?

[amber oar]

nothing yet

[kind gate]

oof

[amber oar]

random idea, maybe Hawkins can project observation haki into them or something

Not in the "everything is haki" train but I doubt it's part of his DF

[kind gate]

no

its his magic

[ancient vault]

in his cards? pretty sure his DF has nothing to do with his cards

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, I think one of the most impactful ways for a character to die, is just the normal way. Cause yes, it might sound anti-climactic, but not every character death in existence is grand or had a major reason, accidents happen and Oda showed that in manga, they just do.

Kuina had a dream, but a common accident occured, which was tragic but pissed off Zoro that he lost a rival he was going to compete with, but also a friend who never got the chance to fulfill or attempt her dream.

[worldly wolf]

PEOPEL
I HAVE A QYESTION
HOW DID SPEED SURVIVE THAT CONFGRONTASTION WITH KAIDo?

[bold knoll]

Luffy gonna be pirate king

[polar bison]

aren’t there like a million powers in OP that aren’t super well explained

like yea dfs account for most things

but we’ve still got a million people who are magically pyrokinetic, or have cursed blades, or are madame shyarly, or use ninjutsu (the stuff apart from Raizou’s - if his scrolls are that - and Shinobu’s DFs), or so on and so forth where like yea maybe if u buy heavily into GOda stocks, u think Oda’s thought up a reason for them that fits well within his world’s established powersets of haki and dfs and science/technology and fate and will and the other stuff, but he’s content to leave that unexplained in manga proper due to lack of time

[signal moon]

Do we think red hawk has coc in it? Might explain the fire and why kaido dodged that but not the normal attacks

[visual merlin]

if it did Kaido wouldn't have acted as if Luffy lacked that ability in 1010, so nah

[ember trench]

Everything was there for the Shimotsuki connection to Kuina and Koushiro. Oda just spelled it out for the people that didn’t pay attention.

It’s not that he couldn’t find space for it

Black blades might be explained since we are going to see the process of it through Zoro. Cursed blades don’t really need one and honestly it might be lame to even attempt to rationalize it.

[turbid jasper]

I really think that last Chapter showcased not only Zoro's strength, but also his weakness, and I think that was intentional on Oda's part. Zoro vowed to never lose after he lost to Mihawk, and he failed to defeat Kaido here. It think he will use this failure to approach Tenguyama and ask for the Nidai Kitetsu.

I believe the theory that Zoro's "demonic" abilities come from the Kitetsu curse, and think the Nidai will enhance Zoro's "demonic" powers like Asura. I've also speculated that Kitetsu's curse might be some form of Conqueror's Haki imbued within the sword (like how Oden's Ryuo is in Enma), which is why the people who use the swords often end up dying. They don't have Conqueror's so the sword's will overpowers their own and they die. Zoro's gambit on his luck worked because he was part of the one in a million with Conqueror's even if he didn't utilize it yet, and the sword obeyed him.

[ember trench]

I am opposed to any theory involving Nidai Kitetsu

[feral scroll]

I really like the fate and will part of one piece, its always shown how the characters believe in their goals so strongly that it becomes their fate or its their fate that they believe in their goals so strongly ig

[ember trench]

It’s the latter

[feral scroll]

Oh hey archer you changed ur pfp

And ur retired now?!

[ember trench]

Yep

Also I have a feeling people are going to bitch about the ending of the series a lot because of the destiny angle

[feral scroll]

People will always bitch about the ending

[ember trench]

Which people are single-mindedly opposed to almost universally for whatever reason

[feral scroll]

There is no changing that

I mean I see how people will take negatively to things being fated and all but I mean doesn’t really make the characters a slave of fate

I guess its just that their choices were always meant to happen but its still their choices

[hollow grotto]

It feels like their fates are shaped because of their wills to decide that fate for themselves, rather than to let the will of others conquer their own fate. That feels like an especially prevalent theme with Conqueror's Haki too, because it shows those whose wills to be stronger will overcome a situation near inescapable (i.e Luffy exhibiting Conq. to drop thousands of Marines to save Ace, who would have died if not for that), shaping his fate through his willpower.

Yeah it still feels like their choices are automatically destined but I like what Oda did to give it a sense of realism that there is a reason why the willpower of an individual trumps what would become of their fate naturally.

[feral scroll]

Well yeah thats the dilemma, did they decide their fate or did their fate decide them? And most people just assume that the existance of fate just takes away from their choices but it really doesn’t

[prisma vault]

I wonder if buggy's awoken fruit would allow him to split anything he touches into pieces

Or would that be too law like

[feral scroll]

The characters still make choices with consequences and fate doesn’t make it so that none of the characters shouldn’t regret their choices

[hollow grotto]

I feel like the use of Conqueror's Haki adds a real sense of 'fate' being controlled by the will of someone rather than what would naturally become of a situation. Yeah, of course the meta is that Luffy will inevitably trump his enemies, but by adding that power system at play, it gives credence to Luffy's inner strength and makes it feel more.. deserved?

If the same situation happened with Luffy seeing Ace nearly die, but someone saved Ace at the last second rather than Luffy blasting out that CoC, it would have felt a little contrived if in every one of these life-changing situations, somebody steps in or something happens that alters reality the same way CoC does. This just justifies it a slight bit better

[feral scroll]

Well I see what you mean but what I’m trying to say is that its also fate that luffy has conquerers at all and the circumstances that lead to his choices

[hollow grotto]

yeah, of course - history, timing and everything that led to that point was definitely why he was born with it

[feral scroll]

Its that both are true and people just think that the existence of fate takes away from the consequences of the characters choices

[hollow grotto]

The concept of fate can still be done well, as long as it's not an element heavily relied on by the author, as it so too unfortunately is in a lot of narratives

usually takes away from the characters' actions as you mentioned

[feral scroll]

No what I mean is fate is more like looking back at history and stating this happens. The future being known doesn’t really take away from the choices made since at the time the characters had to make a choice. So in a sense it was all meant happen but also it was shaped by the decisions of the characters

But a lot of people make the assumption that its all fate and the characters were slaves of fate from the start

[worthy ginkgo]

is zoros ashura coc

[sand sail]

We don't know yet, hopefully we'll get clarification soon

[worthy ginkgo]

if it is that could open up a whole world of possibilities

[manic relic]

Hi guys i just woke up and I dreamed about One Piece lmao! Anyone interested? 😂

[kind gate]

[upper carbon]

If only makes sense Monkey D Dragon is the most powerful individual in the OP universe.

[kind gate]

[upper carbon]

Garp is a MONSTER as a senior citizen. Luffy is basically beating up grown men at his young age.

Only makes sense that Dragon is wayyy stronger then Sabo.

[twin void]

i'd really love a true display of Dragon's powers

[upper carbon]

Dragon SHOULD be in his prime at the moment.

[twin void]

He and his army will have to come in play at some point before the end

[upper carbon]

For me dragon is more interesting than Gol D Roger

Yeah I'm guessing the final war of OP will be a little too large.

[manic relic]

Dragon highest bounty in One Piece history #ChangeMyMind

[upper carbon]

Revolutionaries, Luffy and the Grand Fleet. Kaido Big Mom team. Shanks squad, black beard. Buggiesm all the exiled warlords.

Against the world government and the new science weapons

[upper carbon]

I agree my brotha

[sonic plaza]

who do you guys think zoro is gonna fight for the final now in wano

[craggy pumice]

For his life

[upper carbon]

Tough Question man. LOL

Who can he even fight? Would he lame since he's weakened now.

Sanji is gonna save him for SURE. LOLLL and they're gonna have the usual banter

[sonic plaza]

the worlds 2 best doctors are there and could help him

[upper carbon]

Unless Marco can do something. I can't see chopper miraculously healing him.

[sonic plaza]

marco and law

[upper carbon]

No one in OP has a senzu bean healing power.

Trust me I'm a zoro fan. I wanted him to take down King.

[sonic plaza]

sanji will

for sure

thats why im curious as to who zoro will fight

[brisk mirage]

I think Fujitora will arrive at the edge of Wano to stop Onigashima from crashing and destroying the country once Luffy beats Kaido. He will be "paying back" the debt of Luffy saving Dressrosa, and it will allow him to fight Luffy without holding back in the future.

And before you ask, I believe that he will find out from CP Aegis 0, who ask him to come specifically.

Cause CP wants the Navy to be seen as heroes by Wano so they can bring them under the WG

[ember trench]

No thanks on deus ex machina saving the capital

Marines are too swamped to come to Wano and Fuji isn’t going to just show up by himself

[zinc iris]

we need a diabolus ex machina dooming it

[upper carbon]

I'm dying to know who or which group shows up.

[short sage]

Isn’t fuji going to Amazon lily

[ember trench]

Probably won’t be any groups showing up

[upper carbon]

They're gonna need help man.

[ember trench]

Nah they’ve got this just fine

[visual merlin]

maybe

[upper carbon]

Kid can't take big mom down. luffy gonna fight Kaido on More equal terms.

[zinc iris]

it was a vice admiral

[visual merlin]

we didn't see who's going to amazon lily

For people leading we only really see Stainless for Buggy

[ember trench]

They’ll figure out Big Mom. There aren’t going to be any crazy last minute reinforcements. Everyone is here

[upper carbon]

Idk marineford had crazy last minute reinforcements.

[ember trench]

This isn’t Marineford

[upper carbon]

At least one group SHOULD show up if one piece follows patterns.

[ember trench]

[upper carbon]

Fishman saved them at whole cake island

[ember trench]

The Sun Pirates were already there

[upper carbon]

It wasn't planned with Luffy tho.

[ember trench]

And? They were still there. They were there before Luffy

[grizzled fog]

I think Kid and killer will get at least one more person to help them fight, maybe Hawkins, but the Lion’s share of work will go to kid

[upper carbon]

It supports my theory that SOMEONE we haven't seen will help in wano

[ember trench]

It doesn’t at all lol

[upper carbon]

You're insane if you think the straw hats are winning in Wano right now.

[visual merlin]

Dunno what happens but I don't see kidd and killer beating BM alone

[ember trench]

They’re winning in Wano with what they have

[upper carbon]

Theyre just surviving.

[ember trench]

They’re going to win with what they have

[upper carbon]

Unless all the worst generation members join sides.

[sand sail]

Oh no yeah, with Kaido and Big Mom broken up and Luffy taking Kaido on somewhat equal terms, they're basically winning now

[grizzled fog]

I think it would be a dick move from oda to have kid and killer get beaten by big mom after giving them this fight, but I also don’t see them winning alone, so I predict 1 or 2 people aiding them, but not overshadowing

[sand sail]

Like...Kaido has the Flying Six, his gifters, his commanders and Big Mom

Because all of the rest of his crew just switched sides

[grizzled fog]

I mean

Probably not all his fodder, there were tens of thousands

[sand sail]

Those are fantastic elements to have, the actual strongest elements in his crew for sure, but the alliance definitely has the numbers game on lock now

[upper carbon]

King is still in great shape. marco is losing his stamina. I think perolinlin is gonna help him

[sand sail]

Well, the samurai seem to be down, and everyone Chopper saves is swapping over

[ember trench]

Perospero is more likely to free up King by attacking Marco

[grizzled fog]

Like, weren’t there thousands on the performance floor? I think it’d be a bit silly if Queen’s dickery made literally all of them switch sides

[craggy pumice]

so its like 20k vs. 10k now?

[daring sundial]

Ok this has probably been said before but Toki had the power to go into the future and constantly jumped until she found her preferred time. Does this mean that Toki would have traveled into the time of the void century?

[ember trench]

She was born in the Void Century

[craggy pumice]

she was born around that time

[ember trench]

Or shortly after it

[daring sundial]

oh ok

just wanted to ask the people who know more than me

[upper carbon]

Perospero is most likely going to help marco because they were originally ganging up. Big mom told him about the alliance and he wasn't happy about it at all. I'm pretty sure Marco will get a Hand from his friend.

FUCK. Gonna be sick when Franky goes Plus Ultra.

[brisk mirage]

Seeing Kidd get curb stomped would be highly enjoyable. Though I also have a minor theory of Sanji skywalking up to them and overcoming his simp-weakness by fighting BM with Kidd and Killer.

[upper carbon]

Dude I'd LOVE if Sanji shined.

[grizzled badger]

if sanji doesnt fight bm coz shes a 'lady' i'll lose respect bruh

[mental gulch]

does anybody have any theories on how many strawhats we're gonna have by the end

[gilded wagon]

Sanji will probably be fighting King

[sonic plaza]

Sanji will fight him

[hearty jasper]

Who Zoro gonna fight?

[sonic plaza]

well, he first has to get healed

prob by Marco or Law

[hearty jasper]

I guess by Marco

[glacial frigate]

Sanji fighting BM would destroy his character, as wild as his no lady fighting may be

[sonic plaza]

Zoro is prob gonna fight BM with Kid
I think Killer is gonna be knocked out/defeated and Zoro will help Kid
If Sanji fights King, then it makes sense for Zoro to fight someone stronger than him

[sonic plaza]

its been foreshadowed that there will be 10 besides Luffy
but, some theorists have used parallels and predictions to say 12
so at least 10!

[mental gulch]

yeah ive seeen a lot of people mentioning 13 members in total including luffy

im interested in who you think will join if the 12 member theory is true

[sonic plaza]

I mean. Oda wants every character to be unique in personality, appearance, and powers

[ember trench]

Parallels and predictions whoa boy

[upper carbon]

Look at Rogers crew.

[small pasture]

guys, i have this crackhead theory

[upper carbon]

Luffys will emulate it somehow.

[small pasture]

i swear i'm gonna dig into it

[sonic plaza]

The parallel is that:
4 people will Join luffy on each sea, with the 2nd one being a girl

[ember trench]

That’s not a parallel and that’s not going to happen this late in the series

[sonic plaza]

ITS JUST A THEORY

[ember trench]

Yeah it’s a bad one

[sonic plaza]

but, we will have at least 1 more person join. I am 100% positive

[ember trench]

Probably one more in Yamato

[upper carbon]

Maybe Momo will join

It serves the story well in a way If momo goes for the ride for the last island.

[ember trench]

Nah

[sonic plaza]

I was thinking Smoker, cause the crew doesn’t have a logia yet, but Nami is prob gonna get the snow fruit

[upper carbon]

The scabbards will take control of Wano

[ember trench]

Smoker lol

[upper carbon]

Lmao smoker smh.

[ember trench]

Absolute crackhead pick

[upper carbon]

Hahahahahaha

[ember trench]

Someone has been watching Morj

[sonic plaza]

No I don’t watch Morj

[upper carbon]

I'm dead 😭

[sonic plaza]

I was joking when I said him. But I was trying to say that one of them will have a logia (possibly Nami)

[upper carbon]

The thing is . Is luffy is stronger then Kaido..his crew won't really need another top tier fighter

[ember trench]

Nah they won’t have a logia

They’ll have one more devil fruit user but it’s most likely Yamato

[upper carbon]

Yeah yamato will have no whee to go after her dad loses.

[sonic plaza]

Luffy won’t be stronger than Kaido

[upper carbon]

His Will

[sonic plaza]

Strength does not equal power

[upper carbon]

He out willed kata. His spirit is probably stronger

Eyes never lie Chico

[sonic plaza]

For spirit, of course, but for physical strength, no

[upper carbon]

I'm trying to explain it in a way because he's lost likely gonna Down Kaido

Most*

Luffy is basically mike tyson. Knocking grown menout at a young age.

[small pasture]

so there's this filler arc : warship island . in this arc luffy has the voice of all things and zoro could cut steel .
i think this was an honest mistake while making filler .the episodes were released in 2001 and this was around the Alabasta saga where Oda introduced Robin , (and speculating) the character that introduced us to the Lore and mysteries of One Piece and made possible the extention of the whole story

i think the whole warship saga arc has a lot of little clues of how could One Piece end

[sonic plaza]

ODA NEVER WROTE IT

[small pasture]

i know !

all i'm saying is that maybe they had some inspiration from oda's ideas

dragons, ruined civilations , lost islands ... kinda weird or not ? that seems like one piece end game

[sonic plaza]

I think that at first, Kaido will be destroying Luffy to like the brink of death, but then, someone like Yamato will come up and stall Kaido for a little bit (This would trigger Kaido/Yamato backstory) and give enough time for Luddy to get up and think of how he can utilize coc haki

What do you guys think of that theory

[upper carbon]

That's great

[lunar whale]

In that case Caesar Clown would make a better choice. Plus he's a scientist which they also don't have either. Smoker is a marine and would never join a pirate crew. I'd see him as an ally of some sort but he would never dare join a pirate crew lmao

[sonic plaza]

IT WAS A JOKE

[lunar whale]

Oh lmao

[upper carbon]

LOL no going back bandit

[lunar whale]

My bad haha

[sonic plaza]

But I do think Smoker will ally with them again later

[small pasture]

i think we have all the SW acording to the data books . maybe some honorable SW only

[upper carbon]

Yes for sure he will.

[small pasture]

Vivi Smoker and Yamato

[lunar whale]

Yeah he'll definitely ally most likely in the final war against the WG

[upper carbon]

Smoker is actually a OG character. When the marines revamp and move away from Akainu and the 5 elders Inu

It will be kohy, smoker fuji.

[sonic plaza]

Vivi won’t join.

1. she has to be queen of Alabasta
2. she really wouldn’t be useful to them

[upper carbon]

Yeah vivi is gone I never even consider her at this point.

I wonder how Shirahoshi will effect the story man. A

[sonic plaza]

But she will play a big role coming up, cause Imu was interested in her

[upper carbon]

Fuck this story can go anyway

[small pasture]

ye

[sonic plaza]

Wimphoshi will also play a major role soon 👀

[lunar whale]

Vivi is technically already a member lol . Oda said she was like the 6.5 member or something lmao

[upper carbon]

She's a cheer leader.

[small pasture]

ye she's honorable SW

[upper carbon]

Boa Hancock need more screen time 👀

[lunar whale]

Same. It'll be intriguing if everyone finds out she's the ancient weapon

[sonic plaza]

Carrot will prob also become an honorable SH

[upper carbon]

Luffys gonna laugh so much when she grows into her proper role

[lunar whale]

What do think will happen to her from what Oda said?

[upper carbon]

Yeah carrot will get dropped off at the end of his arc.

[sonic plaza]

What did he say

[lunar whale]

Hang on

[upper carbon]

It would make sense if Yamato and Momo went with SHs for the end.

Idk why but roger taking oden along.

[sonic plaza]

Momo kinda has to rule Wano

[lunar whale]

"The Wano Kuni arc is finally moving towards its climax as well!! I've been looking forwards to drawing Wano Kuni a lot, so I'm psyched! And once it's over, things are going to be grim. Sabo will...!! Vivi will...!! Hancock will...!! AAAAAAAA...!!!"

[small pasture]

2. she really wouldn’t be useful to them ...

[lunar whale]

That's exactly what he said in last years jump fest

[sonic plaza]

Yamato would be the parallel to Oden if she joins

[upper carbon]

I hope boa isn't captured.

Yeah yamato seems like a likely person but we gonna need a back story

[sonic plaza]

I wonder if they are gonna show off Xebec in Kaidos backstory

[lunar whale]

O tama could join. Luffy could fulfill Ace's promise

[upper carbon]

Otamas ability.. is actually the ultimate cheat code against beast pirates lmao

[lunar whale]

😂

[sonic plaza]

I just realized that if we got a current nightmare Luffy, he would solo the verse

[upper carbon]

We need this

[lunar whale]

What we need is Garp and Rodgwr fighting side by side lmao

[upper carbon]

Lmao. Or Just Monkey D Dragon soloing the admirals

Bruh if dragon beats a admiral 1v1

[lunar whale]

Oh yeah I wanna see him in some action

[sonic plaza]

That might be in New Marineford (Sabo retrieval) arc

[lunar whale]

Think Buggy will ever see Crocus and Reyleigh ever again?

[pure raven]

Maybe Rayleigh

And Rayleigh smacks tf out of him and shanks for arguing

[lunar whale]

😂

Just imagine Buggy's worshippers lmaoo

[upper carbon]

Luffys gonna win over most people in the story. Just remember what Mihawk said about Luffy in marineford. That's his true power.

[sonic plaza]

I also hope we get a backstory for King

[upper carbon]

Yeah king is a mystery. A very interesting one

At least find out his species

[pure raven]

Maybe it’s a lost species and it mildly has something to do with Im

Idk that’s kinda dumb tho now that I read it

[sonic plaza]

A lot of people don’t understand that if Luffy beats Kaido, it’s not like the story is over and he is at the peak.

• Kaido was never as strong as Roger or Whitebeard
• and it’s likely that by the end, Luffy will surpass both of them

[upper carbon]

I wish there was a clear answer as to who was more powerful. Kaido vs Marineford Whitebeard.

I hope now tho.. like how the clouds split when shanks and Whitebeard clashed. Now Kaido will get up and commend luffy for his power and say he's been waiting for a true opponent.

Going to he SICK when they punch and the entire sky is gonna split

That's how oda shows TRUE power. All the most Dangerous pirates clashed that way

[grizzled fog]

I think we’ve seen enough to say this kaido is stronger than whitebeard was in mf honestly

[dusky acorn]

Kaido probably was stronger at that time simply because of how much Whitebeard had deteriorated due to his sickness

Also fair warning, your meme messages were deleted as we don't want to see any of those joke theories in here. @pure raven

[grizzled fog]

By how much is up for debate tho

[upper carbon]

Well Whitebeard made the sea rise. Kaido made an island rise.

Luffy will possess equal strength by the end

[junior cape]

Kaido is not the summit, he never was. Neither are Koby or Helmeppo. The summit is likely not even a part of the navy. The summit of OP will be finding the One Piece on Raftel, and the ramifications that follow, regardless of what they are. With that in mind, the summit may INCLUDE beating other Yonko and the WG, but it doesn't have to do so. Personally, I think the summit will include the toppling of the WG and the beginning of a great age of freedom across the world.

[upper carbon]

If Luffy is Roger, who truly is His Whitebeard?

[grizzled fog]

No one really fits that well

[modern nimbus]

katakuri

[dusky acorn]

Luffy doesn't really have a "Whitebeard", both Law and Kid are nothing like him, and Blackbeard definitely isn't

Whitebeard doesn't want the One Piece, but Kid does, Law is a D and has that has his goal, and WB wasn't. That's why parallels don't always work

[junior cape]

I know his Garp would be Koby

[grizzled fog]

Imo kid is the closest, but his personality and relationship with luffy is different

[upper carbon]

Yeah I Agree

[grizzled fog]

Koby and Garp are still wildly different, same with smoker

[upper carbon]

Perhaps after this arc kid will change drastically.

He lost his best friend in a way.. and was saved by luffy and zoro a few times.

[grizzled fog]

Nah I’d dislike if he got all buddy buddy with Luffy like law

[upper carbon]

He at least should acknowledge luffy and zoro tho. His spirit would've been crushed by now.

[grizzled fog]

Kid is someone who wants the one piece just like luffy, and neither one is going to be willing to bend to the other and give up, for that reason they’ll never be close allies, allying like this for a common enemy is the closest they’ll get

[upper carbon]

Well they're pirates so I don't expect true buddy buddy but.

[grizzled fog]

He already acknowledged zoro by thanking him before, but I’m not sure what you mean about his spirit being crushed, like luffy, kid’s will is unbendable. Kaido already tried breaking kid and luffy, and he failed

[upper carbon]

I'm just saying the plot moved forward for kid because of Luffy.

He would've drowned but luffy saved him. If Luffy never came to wano. He would've drowned for sure.

Like I don't see us guessing "will kid find the one piece?" I believe he won't even have a full crew and ship to sail on by the end of this arc. Lmao

[grizzled fog]

I mean sure he would’ve died eventually without luffy, either by attempting to escape and getting killed or challenging kaido again, luffy is the main character lol

[grizzled fog]

Because he’s not the main character?

As for his ship and crew, not sure why he wouldn’t, his named crew mates are all alive and well and Onigashima, and none are gonna die obviously, we saw his ship already on the way to Onigashima, and I doubt all his fodder died too

[upper carbon]

Idk man. Even a hard boiled guy like Kid is gonna like luffy so much he can't really admit to it. Especially by the end of this arc.

[upper carbon]

Ahh I forgot about that.

[tame cradle]

This might be stupid but what if there’s another timeskip in wano and Zoro teaches momo sword skills and taking after Zoro momo develops and uses “dragon sword style” with only ame no habakiri but maybe another sword. Since momos fruit is a failed fruit and he probably won’t be able to transform into a Kaido sized dragon unless it wasn’t failed and he needs to train more or the small dragon is the human dragon hybrid form the dragon sword style would probably utilize the agility and flying momo has as a dragon

[grizzled fog]

When would there be a timeskip? And for how long? Also the scabbards are pretty incredible swordsmen themselves, and I’d say at least one is probably better at teaching than zoro. Also, we don’t know if his fruit is actually a failure, all signs point to the opposite actually atm. Momo’s dragon form probably scales with size, he’d be as big as kaido in dragon form if his human form were bigger too I imagine

[upper carbon]

I agree Vet. His fruit was made by the great inventor. Yamato will probably tell him how her father's fruit was similar at first

[tame cradle]

Idk lol maybe after the fight. I was kinda thinking Zoro would be against it and then hiyori would ask him to and momo would cry and say he’s so weak and Nami would glare at him and threaten to charge him 1,000,000,000 berries because he made momo cry and then Zoro would do it. Vegapunk said it’s a failure and I trust vegapunks word on this

[upper carbon]

Na bro zoro could do that after the story ends. He's a swordsman he will probably stay and visit wano after.

[tame cradle]

I’m almost certain that there’ll be a timeskip. Luffy isn’t emperor of the sea or king of pirates caliber. Gear fourth is weaker than Kaido big mom shanks or Blackbeard and luffy can’t even maintain gear fourth for more than four minutes and has to recharge his haki afterwards. It’ll be similar to how he realized he wasn’t ready for the new world after sabaody and marineford.

[upper carbon]

Bruh he just discovered the end game fighting technique lmao.

[weak arrow]

Pretty doubtful with how fast he's progressed in 3 weeks

[upper carbon]

He's legit gonna have a true fight1v1 against Kaido.

Meanwhioe Blackbeard was scared of Injured Whitebeard

[weak arrow]

he'll be able to 1v1 an admiral by the end of this arc really

[upper carbon]

Luffy is basically admiral level now. Not above it but he can hang

[grizzled fog]

Luffy still isn’t at Kaido’s level, true, but he won’t be until he fights blackbeard most likely, and he’s growing incredibly fast so he can make it by then

[upper carbon]

This is what I noticed from OP. When I first watched it. Every time Luffy get beat up. He comes back stronger like Goku/Vegeta. Every time he gets hurt he comes back a Beast.

We about to see the Beast. Kaidos gonna actually get serious now.

So by that statement, we just witnessed Zoro go ALL out against Kaido. Wounded him. We're now going to witness Luffy show how he's way stronger then zoro.

Zoro is bad ass but Luffy would wipe em out. We're gonna see a true Captain fight!!!!

[tame cradle]

Luffyll hang with Kaido for all of four minutes and then get the absolute living shit beat out of him and probably die scattered in multiple pieces around wano. If he masters gear fourth he would be weakest emperor of the sea level but that’ll take time

[upper carbon]

PLEASE let Dragon off screen one of the admirals man!!!!. MONKEY D

Tbh if we never see dragon at all and we just hear he off screened a admiral. He'd be a bigger Goat

[lone nova]

Theory: I think that Zoro is going to have a moment where he transforms into a possessed demon (similar to Cavendish in Dressrosa) now that he is weakened from fighting Kaido and may not be able to contr that spirit in his current state. Just a thought 🤔

[grizzled fog]

Contain what spirit

[teal leaf]

zoro doesn't have a demon in him LOL he is the demon

[lone nova]

I would think Ashura since he’s used the attack multiple times already.

[teal leaf]

it's not a demon, it's just a manifestation of his conqueror's haki

[grizzled fog]

Asura isn’t like some demon living inside of him

[grizzled fog]

We don’t know that either, and it’s likely not honestly

[teal leaf]

It's the most plausible theory, i'd say

[grizzled fog]

If asura were his coc manifested that’d mean he had it pre ts, and if he had it during the ts surely Mihawk would’ve told him no? Unless he never once used it during ts training

[pure raven]

People still believe this?

[teal leaf]

I don't know if he did, maybe? Seems like asura is only ever used in dire situations

[grizzled fog]

So he didn’t practice his most powerful move even once during the timeskip?

I doubt that

[teal leaf]

Anways, i find it interesting that kaku became quite intimidated when asura was used, also the sound effect was the same as the haki sound effect from marine ford, just some food for thought

[sonic plaza]

asura is prob his coc

we still dont really know that much about coc haki, so its very possible

[teal leaf]

I mean that's clearly the implication, like what else did zoro do differently that made kaido say something

It was literally just him using asura

[grizzled fog]

Or....zoro awakened it in that moment when he literally used all his strength in one attack

[upper carbon]

It's a shame he couldn't even knock him down though.

Just shows that Kaido is insane.

[teal leaf]

Either way, we'll find out one way or another

[upper carbon]

I wonder if Mihawk would attempt to fight Kaido .. pprob not lmao

[teal leaf]

Kaido is about to get his mid fight flashback soon loool, then he'll pound some kids

[tame cradle]

It’s gonna be a crazy flashback too I’m so excited

[teal leaf]

Me too! I think Kaido will pan out to be thoroughly interesting character. His remarks always intrigue me lool

[tame cradle]

I hope we get to see some of his days with the rocks pirates

[teal leaf]

dude I just wanna know who he is, and how he became what he is about lol

[sonic plaza]

yessss. and we finally see roger + garp vs rocks

[tame cradle]

Speaking of flashbacks, I’m excited for sakazukis flashback so I know if I can still hate him or if it’s like a senor pink situation

[teal leaf]

You hated senior pink ever? The doffy fam is sick lol

[upper carbon]

I can careless about Kaidos childhood. Whitebeard wasn't too good and he's my favorite emperor.

[tame cradle]

No I shouldn’t say that I always thought he was interesting. I thought he was weird. I hate sakazuki tho so it’s going from a negative view of the character to a positive one through a sad backstory

[teal leaf]

Ah I see. Hope oda blessed my boy Kaido with a proper backstory, but knowing him it's probably gonna be interesting

[tame cradle]

For sure. Oda is a mastermind

[sonic plaza]

the thing is: Kaido is really just a greedy pirate
its not like there is some big turning point in his life or he is a diabolical mastermind, like doffy
so, we dont really need a recap of his life, but we do need
his time on xebec's pirate ship and yamato's backstory

[teal leaf]

I think there's way more nuance to Kaido's character then you give him credit for. I don't think he's truly been fully explored, and oda has left little tid bits of his character for us to observe (His depression, his high regard for those who oppose him, his excitement to see a challenge emerge)

Fight me, and i'll respect you, or join me and become my slave

This is literally what he said to the samurai LOL, he strikes me as someone who's been through it in his life

@sonic plaza

[pure raven]

Maybe rocks said tbat to him

[teal leaf]

At the moment, he is the definition of a conqueror, he is a man who breaks wills.. You're telling me you don't want to see how someone becomes like that?

I think Kaido has room to be a fantastic character, come his flashback

@pure raven Very much possible, perhaps it was rock's ideologies that formed Kaido's views on the world.

[pure raven]

Yes kaidos backstory need to be at the same tier or above of doflamingos

[sonic plaza]

i think everything related to this came from his time on xebecs crew

[teal leaf]

Dude the legend his devil fruit is based on is literally the underdog story. This fish never gave up and eventually he climbed the waterfall and became a dragon. I'm interested in if Kaido was perhaps weak as a child

And trained diligently, until his power was unmatched

[pure raven]

It could be that rocks said the same thing to kaido before he joined the rocks pirates and thats why he always says that. roger and wb died doing great or making big name for themselves and kaido also wanted to break free from rocks oppression or slave and smth like that.... and die like wb and roger

[teal leaf]

I also think Kaido has ties to elbaf

Which is more room for exploration, regarding his childhood (pre xebec)

[pure raven]

No
Doesnt seem so

Bm and wb are probably the ones with elbaf ties

[teal leaf]

WB is not tied to elbaf at all, he was born in a no name village

[junior cape]

WB was an orphan in a destroyed kingdom, he has no homeland except for his ship and his secret village.

Plus he never used any Elbaf-type attacks

[teal leaf]

But Kaido might be, man said Ragnarok

That's nordic myth, which is vikings, and inspired elbaf

[junior cape]

We don't know his full origin story, all we know is that he was a prime candidate for Rocks, as he was incredibly strong and tough even BEFORE he got his fish-fruit

[teal leaf]

I'm wondering what age he was on rocks, the silhouette depictions make him seem like a young adult or teenager

[junior cape]

Literally he commanded respect from the mightiest of the age through sheer strength alone AS AN APPRENTICE. Then BM gave him the fish-fish fruit: model dragon.

Kaido is a monster through and through

If he's actually a half-giant, that wouldn't shock me

If BM is also a half-giant, that wouldn't shock me either

[teal leaf]

He's something idk, man just casually rocks ors horns, would not be suprised

[pure raven]

BM has no giant blood.

[junior cape]

Well she's at least learned their techniques, considering she can do the Sovereignty series of attacks

[pure raven]

true, but if she was a giant hybrid herself, she wouldn't have to worry about her beef with Elbaf

[last halo]

Just read this and... straight to my fckn veins

Great theory. I find it interesting that we have Onigashima heading to the capital, being carried by Kaido's powers, and we have Big Mom doing something with the clouds right next to it. I wonder if Onigashima might fall before reaching the capital because of the fights happening at the rooftop right now. Luffy dealing damage to Kaido and maybe BM missing a huge attack, or even Kid using his powers to get metal from that huge sword, which could cause some destruction to the island's structure.

[dusky acorn]

Lol no problem Kunta. I haven't refined it as much as I could have yet, but you guys taking the time to read is much appreciated.
I'll gather enough confidence to put it up with the megalist so long as Kid isn't getting thrashed in the very next shot we get of Big Mom. Who knows, I may add more as time goes on if things start boding well.

But yeah, Big Mom's incoming thunderstorm should do some good damage to Onigashima's structure, possibly even Wano itself once the island gets close enough. Though I'm still confident in Kid's metal being able to help with the lightning as it was before and with Zeus.

Now that the homing ability of Big Mom's lightning is known, he should be better off
I'd also say the huge Onigashima sword playing a part is more plausible now that their battleground shifted off the dome completely and now on the base of the island as well

[junior cape]

I love how there are multiple people in OP who KNOW that Luffy is made of rubber, and still try lightning on him

It's great

[lapis prairie]

Prometheus complained about Zeus, then asked BM for a favour. It seems to me like BM is gonna make a new Zeus

Which gives Zeus to Nami

[junior cape]

Unless BM recalls his soul portion

In which case Zeus is dead

[ivory dock]

I think bm might kill zeus and use the "extra soul" to power napoleon and prometheus

[lapis prairie]

Zeus is such a boon to Nami, I don't think Oda would want to take that from her

And he's locked away

[last halo]

Not only that, I feel like Oda has been holding back on showing great moments for Kid in the battle for a reason, and this might be it. And there's still the CoC thing, which it would be interesting if Kid were to start using on his attacks, even if he isn't there to see Luffy using it, thus cementing him as Luffy's "equal".

[junior cape]

kid's smart, I can see him trying that out just to see if it works

[ivory dock]

Objects can eat devil fruits so what if bm gave zeus some kind of df to boost his power and thats why she hasnt already killed him and she kills him now so then the df reincarnates and i assume it'd be weather based so then it reincarnates it does it somewhere near nami and usopp when their backs are against the wall and she eats it

[loud sonnet]

big mom has given her soul to zeus

[ivory dock]

ik but im just saying op is wacky so maybe she gave him more

[loud sonnet]

Big mom is a strong person she has a good devil fruit we already know that so her soul is quite strong in my opinion and i think she control how much of soul she can give to objects so might have given zeus more soul than other objects

sorry my english is not that good not my first language

[dusky acorn]

True, both of them came out of the Kaido fight with the absolute least named attacks used out of the 5. They really didn't have as much time to shine there, so it seems the bulk of their efforts is finally going to be taking place now.

Conqeurors is one of the fore-running possibilities as far as power-ups go for him, definitely. Especially because of the timing Oda set it up beforehand, instead of letting us know he has it like, sometime after this arc was over or something.

In the end, all I care about is for Kid's dynamic with Luffy to be able work to it's fullest intentions, which means coming out of this arc similar to Luffy. This is looking likelier now that Oda went out to separate him to do his own thing.
And what I mean by that isn't even killing Big Mom or defeating her through pure fists like what Luffy's going to do to Kaido. Instead, it may start out as a normal fight where he shines, but Big Mom could ultimately be taken out through some weird, "mama-logic" type way. All that matters is for Kid to get similar notoriety to Luffy coming out of this arc, especially since that's the main prospect he went into this war for, to be that "equal". (Even if we still know deep down Luffy is the superior in the end.)

Luffy can start towering skyhigh at a plateau beyond everyone at a later date down the line when he alone defeats Bb/becomes PK and whatever, but for now, keeping up this competitive dynamic is what Oda still wants to do

[grizzled fog]

I hope he never really towers that far above

Not trying to force a parallel here, but I feel like law and kid shouldn’t be too far below luffy ever

[true flame]

Yea it feels like there should be other captains in the same league of Luffy who aren't purely antagonistic

[grizzled fog]

I’d like people like kid (maybe just him lol) to be able to clash and do battle with luffy even after he becomes pk, without getting obliterated

[gloomy canyon]

That's why I think Kid being the main force behind defeating BM here in Wano would be so epic lol

[grizzled fog]

God I would feel so vindicated

That’d be fantastic, but I don’t want to get my hopes up, in case kid and killer end up going to fight big mom only to get embarrassed and clapped

[gloomy canyon]

I don't want to get my hopes up either, and I'm open to them getting as much help as they need, but I think if Luffy were to defeat Kaido and get most of the glory for that (pretty inevitable) but then BM were to defeat Kid here and then be carried onto the next arc for most likely Luffy to beat again... idk, that would feel like a major punch to the gut when it comes to the rivalry Oda has been clearly setting up between Luffy and Kid. Shim even mentioned it in his theory, but during their time in Udon, they competed to who could do more and pretty much always finished evenly. Luffy is obviously going to become Pirate King over Kid, but right here in Wano, being the main forces behind defeating a respective Yonko each... I think that would be huge

[grizzled fog]

Don’t mean to force parallels yet again, but becoming PK only put roger above wb in status and fame, not power. I think lufffy will, at the very minimum always be in the same league as kid and hopefully a select few others

[exotic echo]

it would be very unfortunate to see "big meme" solidified with kid & killer alone taking her out

[grizzled fog]

I doubt they can do it alone considering big mom is relatively fresh, but who do y’all think will help them? I really don’t think it’ll be law or luffy so as not to overshadow kid and killer. Hawkins seems like a good guess to me, but is he alone enough?

[pure raven]

I would prefer Law to join them

Law is still somewhat fresh, although damaged

[grizzled fog]

I’d rather law either help luffy more or go below the roof

I don’t want any of the other BIG 3 captains helping kid

[pure raven]

Idk why Law would choose to go down rather than help Kid and Killer

[grizzled fog]

Well he probably trusts in their ability, they said they’d handle her after all

[pure raven]

His ability could be a gamechanger

To ensure 100% that Big Mon stays out, he should go with them

[keen portal]

Fats, I dont think it would be a big meme moment if Kid and Killer take her out with their own unique powers and tactics vs her mindless brawn. Nobody really expects them to overpower her, so using tricks, tactics and unique DF strats is a given. That will be great.

Big Meme however would be solidified if they bonk her head hard enough again and she becomes O-Lin, then begins attacking Kaido.

[pure raven]

But he won't ditch his new brother Zoro

[grizzled fog]

I can also see law helping luffy

[pure raven]

If Big Meme becomes O-Lin that would be bad writing

[obsidian phoenix]

nah, i dont think its necessarily bad writing
i mean i do want to see big mom get a proper fight, but i also want her amnesia to come back into focus because i dont think big mom is a bad person at heart- she was someone corrupted by the people who raised her, and o-lin is a perfect representation of the fact that she is monstrously powerful, but at her core is kind and wants to help people
so my hope is that big mom eventually gets permanent amnesia which would be a good way to write her out of being an obstacle while still not killing her
it should just happen after a satisfying battle against her so it doesnt seem like a cop out

[hardy bear]

whos big mom

[dusky acorn]

they competed to who could do more and pretty much always finished evenly
While most only mention Udon for Wano, they actually continued their equality with their boat race to Onigashima, and the rate at which they plowed through Kaido's forces to make it to the roof of Onigashima. This isn't just a mere coincidence anymore, it's what Oda wants to generally portray between the two, even if when it comes down to haki and other intricacies, sure Luffy is better.
Also, Zoro and Law did come at the roof about the same time as well, but they don't count in the same way since they didn't go blazing through floor by floor through normal means like Kid and Luffy did.

At this point, it's clear to everyone how Kid won't be involved in the Kaido fight anymore, right? He's certainly going to do greater things than just be defeated in that case, as Evan said. He deserves great things for doing this, especially when knowing how highly respectable of an action this is for Kid of all people to be taking in the first place, to be keeping Big Mom off Luffy and the others horses.

Like sure, if the reason he ran from Kaido was to betray Luffy and forget about the Yonko take-downs entirely, then yeah I'd say he deserves to get completely clapped for being such an unforgiveable character. But no, he went out of his way to be the bigger man and follow through on the plan for them, and still expects them to be able to handle Kaido in the meantime. It's continued development for him.

[dusky acorn]

Hawkins seems like a good guess to me, but is he alone enough?
Hawkins is really the only significant fighter who doesn't have his hands full with things already, yeah. Even Law still has to patch Zoro's inside up and spread the message, right. For Hawkins, he would be a great inclusion to symbolise what their original alliance should have always been, just these 3 together.
Hawkins would be defecting like Drake hinted he would, and showing development by not idling in the face of the Yonko this time. It would be really neat too, because something else that was paralleled between Kid and Luffy before all this is how they both went on to make alliances in the same arc. (Was even emphasised in a volume cover. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/916vjqac4gL.jpg) This would sort of be like the revival of their alliance, and they'd actually be following through on their original goal of wanting to take a Yonko down, even if it's a different one now.

[lethal blaze]

predictions for next ch?

[pure raven]

Well even if kid and law couldnt catch up to the power of luffy i wouldnt mind
As since the begining of op there wasnt a character parllel to luffy like other shonen anime where we see two buddies rivalry where they both fight for who is the better one. With mc becoming the better one in ther end or smth like that..
In op we are about adventure and stong villains (i.e marine who are the good guys)
thats what makes it great:

And

[dark palm]

and hmm, next chapter I think we'll get the silhouette reveal from 1004

(hiyori imo)

and probably some focus on one of the battles

[pure raven]

i wanna see kaidou vs luffy
thats all thats important

[dark palm]

I do too, but it seems like this is a pivot point away

[waxen light]

I predict Apoo is still standing

[dark palm]

the only reason we'd stay on kaido vs luffy is if oda wanted to leave us off on a low point on the roof

[pure raven]

hmm the silhouette from 1004 is important too

[errant oxide]

Kaidou looks like he’s about to have fun

[kindred flint]

hes on the floor

[pure raven]

Well hope that next chap they continue on rooftop

Rather then shoeing below about others

[acoustic helm]

Act 3 ends in next six chapters

[hardy bear]

act 4 when

[acoustic helm]

After Act3 ends

!act3

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/812008302815739914/Untitled-12.png

[opal portal]

i think zoro will have 1.5 billion bounty and luffy will have 3.3 billion

[fathom matrix]

I think we will see some cool moments against BM with Kid and Killer.

Like, IDK if Kid can use normal haki. I know he has Conguerors, but IDK if he can use the other 2 forms.

If he could, I'd assume we'll maybe see him use it.

It may be that using magnetism is stamina draining as it is, and combining that with armament may be a bit much. But I can see him fusing armament with scraps of metal, to maybe create "heavy metal"

[fluid lava]

Since luffy can literally do damage to kaido now do you guys think he has what it takes to beat akainu after wano

[fathom matrix]

WEEELLLLL, Luffy wasn't the only one fighting Kaido

And Kainu isn't that weak

I'd say it'd be a tough fight one on one, but I think he has a good chance. Plus being an admiral and then fleet admiral, probably made him a little bit rusty.

[lost wagon]

luffy is a bad match for akainu i think

akainu has too many ranged attacks]

but if luffy can get a hit with the snakeman gear 4 it should be fine

[junior shoal]

sabo vs akainu matchup

[lost wagon]

didn't sabo....die?

uhh

[craggy pumice]

Yes

[junior shoal]

is he?

[lost wagon]

okay just making sure

[junior shoal]

i think i missed the episode between act3 and act4 which showed sabo dying

[lunar whale]

Sabo isn't confirmed dead

[lost wagon]

that's true, but i'm pretty sure he's dead

[craggy pumice]

I'm pretty sure he isn't

[junior shoal]

i am pretty sure he is not, would be waste to let him die like this

[craggy pumice]

It would make absolutely no sense to bring him back from the dead just to kill him offscreen like that

[lost wagon]

actually

has blackbeard been killing all the devil fruit users he's been hunting

[craggy pumice]

either that or they join him

[lunar whale]

Exactly. Oda would never do another Ace situation. Plus they didn't show the newspaper or the body showing he's dead

[lost wagon]

i just can't imagine how he survived. blackbeard is op.

[craggy pumice]

who survived?

[lunar whale]

It's just gonna be the World Government exploiting it

[craggy pumice]

Sabo? Survived against Blackbeard?

When did they meet

[lunar whale]

When did Sabo go against Blackbeard?

[lost wagon]

huh?

[lunar whale]

Exactly. They never met

[junior shoal]

is he reading same manga or maybe he has access to future chapters?

[craggy pumice]

who are you referring to here

[lost wagon]

wasn't he on blackbeard's island sabo

[lunar whale]

No. He was at the Reverie

[craggy pumice]

I think you confuse him with Moria and Absalom

[lost wagon]

oh i should pay more attention

who tf attacked him then

do we not know?

[junior shoal]

we dont know the current situation of sabo

[lunar whale]

Probably the admirals

[tawdry oriole]

most possibly he couldnt hold himself after seeing kuma treated like a dog...jumped in...caught by kuma or tried convinving him...2admiral came get caught etc....

[lunar whale]

That's exactly what happened

Well I'm not sure about being caught by Kuma

[tawdry oriole]

i hope vegapunk left a tiny memory in kuma...if he can do it before theres no harm to hope again

[lunar whale]

I hope Vegapunk appears in Wano. It's about time we get a reveal after all these years

[pastel summit]

We don't know what happened. All we know is that the revo commanders fought the 2 admirals at reverie. Doesn't even say CP0 intervened. Just the admirals, then we saw people crying over the paper saying "sabo" and we know someone died.

[lunar whale]

Well that's what the news says. It doesn't mean somebody actually died. Could be the WG exploiting the news. No way Oda is gonna kill Sabo off. It'd be a waste of time bringing him back for an Ace 2.0

[tawdry oriole]

or morgans tries to fuck up by using a misleading headline with "death"

[lunar whale]

Yeah that could be the case

[tawdry oriole]

that original kuma will reveal a lot about vegapunk when we see the flashback of sabo capture

[tulip lagoon]

If he is captured at all?

He might have role in Alabasta incident too and prolly there saving Vivi and Cobra

[fluid lava]

Yes but luffy’s punches with his new type of haki could actually damage kaido so I’m thinking if he can damage kaido he can damage akainu pretty bad

Same goes for zoro too actually

[tulip lagoon]

One day Luffy will surpass Akainu but it is not now

[fluid lava]

I think gear 4 with ryou is already strong enough to beat akainu honestly

[tulip lagoon]

Nah u underestimate Admiral very much

[fluid lava]

Plus advanced conquerors haki that he just got

[tulip lagoon]

The Admiral is not even using their full power in Marineford mind you that

[tawdry oriole]

we last saw sabo and original kuma at reverie so...i dont see sabo anywhere near alabasta

[tulip lagoon]

But Reverie incident also happen with Alabasta at the same time

[fluid lava]

Luffy is strong enough to go toe to toe with an emperor one on one and hold his own I don’t think any of the admirals could take on kaido or big mom tbh

[tawdry oriole]

the time reverie got over sabo news came

[tulip lagoon]

Kaidou took pretty much damage too

[fluid lava]

They’d get smacked like luffy did at the beginning of wano

[tawdry oriole]

and something was already happening in alabasta

[tulip lagoon]

U must remember Kaidou fought the Samurai first and then Luffy group

It isn't really a on full health condition

Those Samurai is pretty tough to begin with as expected of true Wano Samurao

[fluid lava]

Well yeah but like zoro alone blocked a combined attack from big mom and kaido and luffy is stronger than him so

I feel like people underestimate luffy at this point

[tulip lagoon]

He blocked for just a few second before he teleported tbh

It's not underestimating Luffy.... It's about how u underestimate this Admiral

[fluid lava]

Still a massive feat since it’s probably the strongest attack we’ve ever seen in the series

[tulip lagoon]

Sure Admiral doesn't show much power for now

[tawdry oriole]

quake punch??

[tulip lagoon]

But remember just because Akainu and Aokiji fight the whole Island topography and climate change in a whole deal

[fluid lava]

The admirals individually I don’t think are yonko level or close

I’d honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they were like between a strong warlord like doflamigo and a yonko

[tulip lagoon]

Ans remember those said Admiral also holding back to protect Marineford from being destroyed and tried as much as possible to prevent hitting their allies if they could

[tulip lagoon]

Lol no Doflamingo would be crushed fighting an Admiral tbh

[fluid lava]

Well do you think an admiral could beat katakuri?

[tulip lagoon]

Lol of course

[tawdry oriole]

hard diff

[fluid lava]

Really? I think katakuri would stand a good chance of winning

[tulip lagoon]

Dude if Admiral cannot even beat Katakuri Big Mom or Kaidou would ravage Marineford long before even

[tulip lagoon]

U said this because Admiral hasn't shown much of their power

[keen portal]

Magma is also a terrible matchup for Mochi.

[tulip lagoon]

And even Fujitora is holding back in Dressrosa u know

Just because they didn't show Power doesn't mean they are weak

If they show their power it could make something like Punk Hazard

And they don't want Marineford to become like that honestly

[fluid lava]

I just assumed the emperors didn’t go after the marines directly because it was just too much trouble and would take their focus away from finding the one piece

I thought it was their internal competition that kept them too distracted to deal with that they’re not like the revolutionary army

[tawdry oriole]

they wont gain anything thats y they dont fight

[fluid lava]

Yeah that too

[tulip lagoon]

Nope the Emperor might want to be One Piece but u do realize why Kaidou would declare war to Marine because Kaidou allied with Big Mom

[fluid lava]

The navy already clearly can’t touch them especially kaido so it’s not a huge deal to them I think

[tulip lagoon]

Come on we can't really look it just because Luffy is showing progress while the Marines is only in sidelanes

They are more Powerful than what u think honestly

[fluid lava]

Honestly I think two emperors could take down the marines they literally quit the war when shanks showed up because they knew they would take absolutely catastrophic losses if they fought him after whitebeard

[tulip lagoon]

And do you know Whitebeard is the strongest Pirate?

[fluid lava]

Mmm debatable idk if he could beat kaido and big mom in a 1v1 situation that’s an interesting fight though

[tulip lagoon]

Well 2 Yonkou work together sure would be a huge problem for Marinea but if this is about Yonkou itself then yeah Yonkou > Admiral

But YC or Luffy is not stronger than Admiral

It is still too early for Luffy for beating Admiral

[fluid lava]

But he’s literally currently fighting an emperor 1v1

[tulip lagoon]

After that said Emperor is fighting many person before

Not in Full health vs Full health

[fluid lava]

He’s even stronger than he was in their first fight rn

He’s in his like half dragon form

[tulip lagoon]

Doesm't change he already take considerable damage before fighting Luffy tbh

[tawdry oriole]

luffy aint beating kaido....

[fluid lava]

I’m sure people said that about katakuri too

[tawdry oriole]

luffy at less than 50%health against kaido at 80or 90% nw

kaido just tanked their stronest attacks

[tulip lagoon]

Kaidou is tbh at 50% ish too tbh

Remember Kaidou fight against the Scabbard first before fighting the Supernovas

[fluid lava]

Honestly I hope big mom and kaido die this arc

[tulip lagoon]

Doubt that

Kaidou might die but Big Mom is a pretty doubtful

[fluid lava]

It would really set the series up for its final two or three arcs

[tawdry oriole]

i can see why u bring scabbards but those dmg just didnt matter

[tulip lagoon]

It matters

Remember than even Kaidou also get his Bolo Breath reflected back to him in full damage

[tawdry oriole]

it was mental attack before that somehow mattered to him

[tulip lagoon]

And tbh even Kaidou himself also helped by Jack too

[keen portal]

They managed to make his old scar bleed, plus his own boro breath, among other attacks.

You can't say scabbards did no damage on him.

[tulip lagoon]

Yes

[keen portal]

If you want to say that Kaido healed back the damage they did because of zoan regen?

Sure. Perhaps.

[tulip lagoon]

It is kinda doing much damage to him too

[tawdry oriole]

bolo ofc but it was shown later how tanky he is

[fluid lava]

They did damage but I doubt it significantly depowered him

[tulip lagoon]

Nah Kaidou is just resilient enough to make it seems like it does nothing

But it also took him quite amount of affect is for sure

[fluid lava]

I still think luffy’s ability to dog on him in 1010 is still extremely impressive

He also just got a new form of haki in the middle of the fight so he’s just constantly getting stronger during this battle

[tulip lagoon]

He getting stronger yes

But not on Admiral Level I think

Each of Admiral so far already shown a feat that is so hard to beat by Luffy at this point

[fluid lava]

By the time they get to the next island or laugh tale after that I’d say he could have his rematch with akainu and beat him

[tulip lagoon]

Laugh Tale yes

[fluid lava]

I think the only other island left is Elbaf isn’t it?

[tulip lagoon]

Next island? i doubt so

[tawdry oriole]

in the whole fight till now kaido dodged only 2 attacks...the others could be dodged except reflect by raizo but he didnt even bother

[fluid lava]

Then they have to go fish man island to get the last road poneglyph

So the series only really has like 1-2 more arcs before laugh tale and possibly a final arc after that point

[tawdry oriole]

3possibly

[tulip lagoon]

U know Kenpachi Zaraki? Kaidou had a bit mix of his personality I think

[fluid lava]

The way Roger’s journey portrayed laugh tale I think we’ll get all the information there and then fight the world government after

[tawdry oriole]

well zaraki bleeds a lot

[tulip lagoon]

Just like him standing after many attacks even if it hurts him

Kaidou has a tendency doing that but that doesn't mean he is not affected by that

[fluid lava]

So there’s an elbaf arc we know we’re getting and getting the poneglyh from fish man island which could be its own arc

[tawdry oriole]

kaido is diff coz of his toughness and a title

[fluid lava]

I can’t think of a third we could get

[ancient vault]

Fats: thinks its bad if big mom gets defeated by kid and killer

Also fats: "amnesia would be good"

[tawdry oriole]

elbaf...- bb shanks-gorosei/wg -laughtale

[keen portal]

:dead

[tulip lagoon]

Zaraki literally is strongest Shinigami that even Yhwach admited it @tawdry oriole

[keen portal]

Uhh don't go further into other series

[tulip lagoon]

Not really just comparing it

[fluid lava]

Do you think the BB stuff will happen before laugh tale? I think there’s so much information we need on laugh tale for context with a war with the marines we need to get there before we can do anything related to the world government

[tawdry oriole]

mortal damage

[tawdry oriole]

can interchange those arc

[fluid lava]

I think Im sama and the stuff with the gorosei will happen after we know everything

[tulip lagoon]

Hmm yes seems like they want WG as the final boss

I mean this kinda expected from the foreshadowing from the Doflamingo and how important Imu is

[tawdry oriole]

timings

[tulip lagoon]

Let's move that to #other-series

[tawdry oriole]

my bad

[tulip lagoon]

But I do wonder if Imu is prolly from other race than normal human?

It seems the Gorosei appeal to her as a Goddess more than just a leader

She might be an Ancient things that knows everything

[tawdry oriole]

maybe he/she was the only survivor of the void century and want to bury the history of what she did or something

[tulip lagoon]

How u guys see about that?

I suspect she had been at least Ancient and knowing all things

And she definetely knows the content of One Piece I might say just she may doesn't even care to find it

[tawdry oriole]

wg wanting to bury history was because of her i think

[tulip lagoon]

Yes probably

About CD they seems are more like a puppet figures rather than actually an important figure itself

We can see by how easily they replace Homing and doesn't care about it

The CD is probably just a puppet and they don't want CD to know about this so they make em unaware of the states of the World and saying like they are Kings and such

We can see the CD is not actually a Iredeemable

They are just doesn't have this common sense in World and how to act properly

[tawdry oriole]

by the end some might redeem like the fishman arc one but as a whole no...and yeah they know nothing

but who knows some might be involved in the underground dealings like doffy

and having one or 2 might be good for the coming arc

[tulip lagoon]

I think when we get Impel Down 2 we might see Luffy freeing Doffy

Just dor Doffy to watch as WG reveal the truth that CD is just a puppet

Or he will reveal that CD is nothing at all for the WG

It is just a replacable seat most likely

[tawdry oriole]

yeah wg dont want to leak the stuffs he know otherwise he wouldnt be in jail

[tulip lagoon]

Even in Jail seems like Magellan know something about it and decide to protect Doflamingo from the Assassin they sent to silent him

I can imagine that the Impel Down is also against the WG in their own way

[tawdry oriole]

magellan only purpose now is to redeem what happened so he will be very strict

[tulip lagoon]

And they siding in protecting the normal citizen and normal people rather than being actual WG supporter

[tawdry oriole]

and noone is getting near doffy

[tulip lagoon]

This can't really be said like that tbh

If WG said ''Magellan let our Assassin murder Doffy" then he would accomply I think

If it is just about duty

[tawdry oriole]

yeah this might be a thing coz hanyabell is the new warden

[tulip lagoon]

This seems a bit more than that

[tawdry oriole]

but poor magellan wants to redeem

[tulip lagoon]

That said many people also underestimate Shiki because he is beaten by Luffy in his movie tbh

And that was non canon

[tawdry oriole]

flying things never go as planned

like wano now'

atleast we saw shiki face in last episode

[tulip lagoon]

Tbh I think the real Shiki is at least Yonkou level

[tawdry oriole]

btw what do u think abt zoro sword
will wado ichimonji complement enma at some point

[tulip lagoon]

Probably in future

By the end of the series they should be complete

[tawdry oriole]

coz in most story a swordsmith violent past sword(enma) and a reformed one(wado ichimonji) go hand in hand at one point maybe supress or better control imo

[pure raven]

worororor

[tired osprey]

he just got too old, like whitebeard but worse, thats the perfect head canon

When I thought about Shiki being featured in a movie, that was just one of the things I had to handle myself, I worried that there would be some issues if a character in a position of such power appearing for the first time was handled by any other writer. However, I was pretty confident I could use him if I would be handling it and since it was a special occasion anyway, in order to make a really cool film I thought the movie deserved a villain with a hefty reputation as well.
Oda seems to be content in how he handled Shiki and his powerlevel in his movie.

No, I don’t really have any vivid images or ideas in place. Just comes down to this point or that point where I feel the atmosphere is right and casually go, “Seems like a good place for this character.” I automatically try to leave spots open for them as I go along. I’ve only got a vague image of the world of One Piece, “A strong guys seems like he’d be around this part.”, or, “That’s a good place for a fight.” Shiki’s actually one of them. When you look back on it, having left that spot open for him, it kind of makes it seem as if there were hints leading up to him all along. There were a few people who held the title ‘Legendary’ and I’d already dropped a number of those names but if I just milked those few the world would seem like a small place so I thought there should probably be more. Eventually, after entering the New World, I thought there’d be a guy like that and the character I set aside using that particular method was Shiki.
interesting how he was supposed to be introduced in new world originally.

i just love the strong world interviews, and there's so many of them

[sturdy hawk]

Is there an archive?

[tired osprey]

theyre kind of spread around the internet, which is a pity

http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=25614 you can start here

one of the links doesnt work 😦

[sturdy hawk]

Thank you, I really love Shiki in general as well so always happy to hear more about him lol

[tired osprey]

same, shiki is the best, so happy he is canon

[sturdy hawk]

Rocks flashback coming soon

[tired osprey]

just need him to show up in more merchandise, drawings and video games

ooooohhhh yeaaah

https://swans-anime-ramblings.tumblr.com/post/167749470843/strong-world-propelled-one-piece-from-popular

more info on how strong world (+marineford id guess) took one piece to a new level in popularity

[sturdy hawk]

Thanks for the link ❤️

[tame tendon]

How about bb-shanks in elbaf?

[sly widget]

!boat a

[brave garden]

kuina is mihawk lol

👍

[velvet edge]

@brave garden this channel is for serious theories

[cyan umbra]

Why you write a lot?

[fringe tide]

What if the rocks flashback is when kaido after getting beaten to a pulp by luffy starts thinking about the day rocks baadly kicked his ass and forced him to join the rocks crew

[kind gate]

[tawdry hound]

I think we are almost nearing Kaido backstory. I think after taking a few more hits or so, we might get to see a Kaido flashback.

[vestal rampart]

same, i dont think we will get a rocks backstory but it will be similar to how oden's included a lot of roger's

[fluid lava]

What do you guys think dragon’s bounty will end up being? Like in terms of an exact number

I’m thinking like 6 billion would make the most sense

[ember trench]

Wish Shiki was a manga character

[pure raven]

He's in chapter 0

[ember trench]

Yeah I mean the actual manga

Other than being mentioned twice

[gilded wagon]

Whats the probability on the scabbards running into momo and Yamato? Do you think they will have a scuffle with Yamato if she ends up making the claim that she’s oden because of their experience with the Kanjuro painting?

[ember trench]

They have no reason to attack Yamato

[exotic echo]

Shinobu could explain what's going on in that case, I'd imagine. But I'm not sure they'll run into Momo

[gilded wagon]

Good point, I’m really curious to find out where all these characters are going to end up

[obtuse gazelle]

Have you guys read about the ancient king of that Javanese island and his prophecies ? He was called Jayabaya, and his prophecy and history depicted about him are very similar to the plot in One Piece

[tired osprey]

joyboy, yeah

[exotic echo]

Seen that one circulate around more than a few times around here. Pretty cool stuff

[obtuse gazelle]

Supposedly some Indonesians still believe his prophecies are bound to become true

[amber oar]

3.6B.

The fact the WG are actively chasing him doesn't mean taking an Emperor's head wouldn't be immensely more valuable for them in terms of power balance than Dragon's head

I just put 3.6B in a whim, I think he's between 3 and 4B

[fluid lava]

Well no bounties aren’t about that it’s about how much of a direct threat they pose the world government and as of right now dragon poses more of a direct threat to them than the yonko because the yonko aren’t actively working to overthrow them right now

[ember trench]

The jayabaya thing is cool but it’s a stretch to me

[fluid lava]

His bounty will be higher than any current yonko the question is if it’s higher than Roger’s

[pure raven]

How about Jomboy being the name of a town in Samarkand in Uzbekistan?

[fluid lava]

Roger had his bounty due to him knowing too much and being the worlds most infamous pirate but honestly we have no idea what dragon actually knows about them and he’s already considered the worlds most dangerous criminal

[ember trench]

Maybe it’s Joy Boy because it rhymes

[tired osprey]

maybe its joy boy because he is happy, his original name could have been gay boy, but then oda found out about gay having multiple meanings, so he changed it to joy

[amber oar]

Emperors are aways a latent threat, because they can always make a move, and the recent advances with BM and Kaido's alliance actually prove that

Bounties don't go down when they go on holidays. Luffy's bounty didn't go down when he spent 2 years inactive

[obtuse gazelle]

I just think maybe Oda was inspired by it. Because it has a lot of connection to Japanese history

[ember trench]

Now I wish it was gay boy

[tired osprey]

gay boy sounds cooler

[pure raven]

Geiboyo

[fluid lava]

Joy boy might have been the original holder of the D title which would make sense since they all die with a smile

[ember trench]

Not all of them

[fluid lava]

Which ones didn’t?

[ember trench]

Law’s parents didn’t. Also a lot of characters in One Piece die with a smile not just Ds.

[amber oar]

BB was scared as shit when WB almost killed him.

[ember trench]

In fact I feel like most deaths in the series die with a smile

[kind gate]

What are the strawhat bounties after wano?
and why do you think they will be that number?

[fluid lava]

Well again we have no idea what dragon knows about the void century, we don’t know how strong he is all we’re told is he’s the most dangerous criminal in history which is a pretty big claim

[amber oar]

the "in history" part isn't real tho

[obtuse gazelle]

The last message on Laugh tale will be a stone with the inscription “ :D” and everybody laughs

[tired osprey]

itll be a xD

[kind gate]

If all zoro does after is kill orochi how does his bounty eclipse 1 billion if no one is there watching the actual fight?

[fluid lava]

I’m pretty sure the correct translation says in history

Almost every source says in history

[ember trench]

He won’t kill Orochi

[ember trench]

He’s the world’s worst because he directly challenges the government’s authority

[obtuse gazelle]

Zoro will face King, if there’s another fight for him still

[fluid lava]

If they take down kaido AND big mom easily another billion on luffy’s

[exotic echo]

!dragon

[amber oar]

Not like epithets are to be taken at face value - Catarina Devon was labeled "the most dangerous woman" and I seriously doubt her bounty is higher than Linlin's

[ember trench]

Unless

[kind gate]

idk if bm goes down here
but I think luffy gets 2.3+ regardless

[tired osprey]

big mom will rape you, but catarina will chop of your head, pick your poison

[fluid lava]

Sometimes I just imagine a big poneglyh with a dickbutt or something as the thing on laugh tale

Or just a poneglyh with a link to a rick roll

[sonic plaza]

no, king is a flying zoan, so zoro wont fight him. marco or sanji will

[amber oar]

Luffy 2.8
Kid 2.0
Law 1.7
Zoro 1.5
Killer 1.0
This is my estimation

[fluid lava]

He’s definitely walking out of these events with a bounty over 2 billion at least

[sonic plaza]

if luffy beats kaido on his own, then his bounty will be 4b+

[ember trench]

Zoro might hit 1 billion or slightly below it like 700-900 million

[amber oar]

He already didn't beat Kaido on his own, Kaido has taken a lot of damage already

[kind gate]

I think zoro more 1.2 at MOST and lowest 900m

[fluid lava]

Luffy honestly might do it he’s kicking kaido’s ass right now and he’s not even in gear 4

[ember trench]

Most of the credit is going to be Luffy’s at this point

[fluid lava]

Morgan’s will make sure luffy gets all the credit

[sonic plaza]

or he will make gear 5 using advanced coc and ryou together

[sonic plaza]

i mean, besides zoro's slash, all his damage has been from luffy, so yeah

[fluid lava]

If that happens and it was the same increase in power between like gear 3 and 4 than he would be yonko level I’d expect

A gear 5 would have to be absolutely nuts

[amber oar]

All 5 of them have been applying small amounts of damage multiple times. And then you still have the Scabbards' contribution before

[sonic plaza]

i hope you realize that kaido could take 100 slashes and not fall
he is the strongest creature in the world for a reason

[fluid lava]

I honestly don’t think kaido is tiring out here from these wounds he seems to just be getting more pissed off

I think he’ll just keep fighting until he literally dies

[sonic plaza]

kaido isnt even trying as well

[fluid lava]

Oh no he definitely is he’s in his like partial dragon form which should be stronger than his human form

[amber oar]

he went hybrid but "isn't even trying"

[sonic plaza]

he isnt putting any effort in his attacks, cause he underestimates them, lol

[fluid lava]

Kaido and big mom are putting in a full effort it’s just luffy zoro law and kid are fucking them up bad

[hasty lichen]

He’s just enjoying an actual battle for once in a lifetime. Don’t mistake his pleasure for relaxing

[fluid lava]

He did the same thing when he was fighting big mom and he was for sure trying to kill her

[queen arrow]

Kaido acknowledged that they all where hurting him

[fluid lava]

Yeah no way kaido isn’t trying when they’re cutting him up and actually bruising him with their punches

[sonic plaza]

he hasnt even used his hybrid abilities though

[fluid lava]

His hybrid abilities shouldn’t be that different from his human form I imagine it just gives him like a boost in strength and stuff

[sonic plaza]

what im trying to say is: kaido has a lot of strong attacks that he hasnt used yet

[fluid lava]

I don’t think he has the laser breath as a hybrid

[queen arrow]

wdym he hasn't used his hybrid abilities

[amber oar]

He literally used it

[queen arrow]

he literally did the fire breath last chapter

[fluid lava]

Did he? Like as a hybrid or a full dragon?

I don’t remember him doing that I’ll have to go back and read it again

[amber oar]

did you read 1010?

[sonic plaza]

i think zoro is gonna fight BM with Kid

[queen arrow]

and is consistently using new attacks, even a stronger Thunder Bagua

Zoro is not in condition to fight Big Mom, he already gave his all

[hasty lichen]

He needs a break. Sanji would almost make sense but big mom is female

[amber oar]

wait no, it's 1009

[sonic plaza]

sanji and marco will get both queen and king, and I cant imagine that Zoro wont get a insane final battle in an arc centering around him

[ember trench]

Marco won’t have King

[hasty lichen]

I don’t think Zoro has conquerors haki

[fluid lava]

Oh I guess I missed it

[grizzled fog]

Marco is tiring out, and running out of flames before king has even gone hybrid. Sanji will have king

[fluid lava]

Well then yeah he is using his hybrid abilities he’s 100% trying

[sonic plaza]

yeah. i was saying that marco will get queen with chopper

it kinda makes sense for those two to fight queen, cause its good doctors vs the plague maker

[fluid lava]

Chopper kicking queen’s ass would be funny

[hasty lichen]

Any guesses on who Yamato fights?

[amber oar]

some people think Yamato will go to the roof and help Luffy... but I'm not sure about that

[sonic plaza]

it would be the perfect catalyst to trigger kaido/yamato backstory

[amber oar]

I think we already got all the relevant bits of Yamato's backstory tho

[hasty lichen]

Besides his mother

And devil fruit but that’s not really backstory

[amber oar]

Characters' mothers have never been relevant just for the mere fact of being characters' mothers, they have been when they have had something to stand out as characters themselves - ej. Olvia inheriting her will to Robin

[sonic plaza]

i think kaidos backstory would be the perfect time to show the Rocks Pirates story
like Oden's showed Roger's

[amber oar]

We haven't seen Luffy's biological mother and for all Oda has said we may never see her

[sonic plaza]

I still think Zoro is gonna play a big part in taking down BM

• The All-Stars pretty much all have fights already
• Zoro is 2nd strongest, so its only fitting that he would fight someone even stronger
• I know he is injured rn, but Marco or Law could easily help heal him in time to fight in ~10 chapters

[amber oar]

Marco has his hands/wings full, Law can't magically undo damage

[worn heart]

bros we have to remember that kaido is literally still moving onigashima while fighting the novas

man is stronk af

[sonic plaza]

Wano is still a Zoro centric arc

• He got Enma and might use conscious coc haki by the end of the arc

i highly doubt that he is done in the fight, cause fans would be so unsatisfied

[grizzled fog]

Zoro is absolutely on the brink of death, he said he was at his limit BEFORE getting thunder baguaed again. Marco is busy and is running out of flames, not to mention flames are less effective on other people. Law is a surgeon but he can’t magically heal Zoro’s wounds, same with chopper, the most they can do is stabilize him so he won’t die. Which won’t put him into remotely decent enough condition for a strong opponent

The only thing I can see zoro doing now is fighting orochi

[sonic plaza]

if he has coc, then it will be,
if not, then no

[worn heart]

see this raid will undoubtedly fail so even luffy will be incapacitated by the end of this fight

[sonic plaza]

well obv, its not HIS arc, but out of all 10 straw hats, he has the most focus/improvement

he hasnt done anything except learning ryou

[worn heart]

i think onigashima will land in the main city or whatever then kaido will put all the novas on crosses like he did to momo for the world to see what happens when someone messes with two yonkous at the same time,
this is something i can see happening

i didnt do the greatest job explaining but i think its the most sensible thing that could happen right now.

[amber oar]

ah, just a little small skill that happens to unlock the ability to actually hurt the absolutely top tiers of OP's world

[night lava]

Or prob by the time the island lands, everyone wpuld see kaido knocked out

[sonic plaza]

ok you are prob right, that by the end of wano, luffy will get the most spotlight, cause of the fight with kaido
but, so far, i think zoro has most spotlight

[worn heart]

if kaido is knocked out then onigashima wont even fly.

[night lava]

Again, maybe by the time it actually lands the fight has stopped in sheer coincidence

[grizzled fog]

@sonic plaza can you explain how you think zoro can possibly get into good enough condition for a Yonko? Or any strong opponent

[night lava]

Zoro cant possibly fight after what he did

[amber oar]

if only there was someone else with the ability to create clouds that lift things

[sonic plaza]

i cant, but i am saying that I dont think ODA WILL JUST DITCH ZORO FOR THE REST OF WANO

[grizzled fog]

Rest of wano isn’t gonna be that much longer, and also. As I mentioned. There’s always orochi

[night lava]

Zoro would prob get healed but not enough to go up against another yonko, or any big shots

[grizzled fog]

Zoro fighting orochi is feasible for him, even in this condition, especially since Hiyori is still out and about

[kind gate]

how many chapters do you think it has left

[amber oar]

real talk, is Wano ending this year or nah

[grizzled fog]

15-25

[worn heart]

see these acts signify something. we are in the third act right now and in the third act the protagonists lose. why else would oda decide to write it in the form of acts

[kind gate]

I hope it does jugoland

[sonic plaza]

depends if Oda keeps doing a break every 3 weeks

[night lava]

Zoro right now is comparable to a towel getting dried up, he just wont clean anything properly anymore

[grizzled fog]

Either the very end, or early next year

[sonic plaza]

at that rate, we only get 37 chapters a year

[night lava]

He wont be able to fight

[kind gate]

I think it depends now on if we get extended fights for all the strawhats

[worn heart]

mid next year, calling it now

[amber oar]

Zoro is going to show up and do one more feat against someone in his reach. But he's done at the roof

[tired osprey]

counting post wano, not ending this year imo

[sonic plaza]

Luffy is going to beat Kaido all on his own for sure

[grizzled fog]

Orochi is the best option for zoro now, with Hiyori

[kind gate]

wdym by post wano
u mean reverie and warlord updates?

[worn heart]

act 5

[sonic plaza]

shouldnt the scabbards fight him

[grizzled fog]

There’s other people that can help lol, zoro is possibly the worst candidate to help him now

[tired osprey]

post wano like post w7, where we get a bunch of chapters after the big bad is defeated

[grizzled fog]

Already did. Hiyori has beef with him however and zoro does too

[amber oar]

Act 5 is a myth that comes from a misunderstanding about kabuki

act 4 may be the conclusion after the war, if any

[kind gate]

oh okay

[kind gate]

yh I think so too

[sonic plaza]

if anyone actually helps him, then it wont be Zoro, Law, Kid, or Killer, so no one even near Luffys level

[worn heart]

myth? what myth? kabuki acts literally alwyas have 5 acts

[sonic plaza]

we dont know if it is a kabuki play tho

[worn heart]

oh cmon!

[sonic plaza]

"act" could just be a term to better organize the arc

[dull pumice]

Nah

[grizzled fog]

Law can still help if he refuses luffy’s request, and Yamato is practically destined to fight kaido. Hawkins is also free

[dull pumice]

Hawkins

[worn heart]

why the fuck else would hiyori play that violin or wahtever that instrument is after every act? its very clearly a kabuki

[grizzled fog]

Yes Hawkins

[sonic plaza]

HAS ANYONE CONFIRMED THAT IT IS A KABUKI

[tired osprey]

are you a kabuki expert? how many have you seen?

[dull pumice]

He's been looking like a joke fighter compared to roof boys

[worn heart]

i dont need to be an expert its pretty fucking clear

[tired osprey]

is it?

[amber oar]

he saw it in youtube

[worn heart]

ok im done have a good day bye

[grizzled fog]

Not...really? He’s a supernova, and we’ve not seen his full arsenal, he’s already teased another card. He even admitted he got unlucky with his cards in the first bout against luffy and zoro

[worn heart]

bold of you to assume my gender

[grizzled fog]

He’s a supernova still...not a joke lmao

[sonic plaza]

if anyone helped luffy, it would be yamato

[tired osprey]

dont you want to provide with some arguments and sources for why it is clear before you leave?

[dull pumice]

Yeah we haven't seen his full arsenal of course but yeah his ability doesn't seem great and he felt like 0% threat against Luffy and Zoro (it's subjective thing ik), also in beast pirates hierarchy he made it only to headliner rank... Hardly impressive

[sand sail]

Drake is a headliner...

[dull pumice]

Yes he's a supernova but not all supernova are on the same lvl, in fact i would say most of them are on different levels

[grizzled fog]

Keep in mind he joined much more recently than drake

[kind gate]

uhh actually kabuki plays don't always have 5
it actually ranges from 3-5
INCORRECT

[grizzled fog]

Hawkins not feeling like a threat is just you man. But he got really unlucky that fight with shitty cards

[tired osprey]

another kabuki expert i see

actually kabuki plays usually have 13 acts, so expect 10 more acts people

[kind gate]

lmao my bad oli
thats what I was told

[dull pumice]

Well I don't think either of us is going to convince the other one so let's just wait and see

[grizzled fog]

😑

[vale arrow]

I think doffy is gonna play a major role in the final war

[worn heart]

🤓 um akshually ☝️ https://www.afyp.org/blog/2017/1/27/afyp-in-the-know-theater-history-chinese-japanese-theater according to this shource itsh 5 acts

[dull pumice]

Didn't he say 150

[tired osprey]

thanks, im actually reading it

[dull pumice]

Hmm I'm pretty sure he did 🤔 seems realistic

Well, maybe. I'm not set on any specific number of chapters but I'm expecting wano to get much more fun

[sonic plaza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzIIag-YLKQ

never trust 90% of his theories

[dull pumice]

Watch analysis avoid theories :D

[amber oar]

wasn't there some One Piece play that has only 3 acts?

[worn heart]

pretty sure 90% of them are right

[sonic plaza]

no