#manga-theories

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plush pike
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What did I respond to that?

zealous path
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you missed my point lol

plush pike
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Prove it.

fleet scroll
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Blackbeard has 2 df right? But he didnt ate the whitebeards df he got it bcs of his yami yami no mi sooo i am thinking is there a possibility to someone else has earthquake df besides than blackbeard right now?

zealous path
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My point was something else(that "devil" shouldn't be treated literally) and you commented on something else entirely(something about devils being absolute evil)? lmfao

pastel sinew
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Sabo already knew brotha

plush pike
fleet scroll
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Yes he doesnt sleep bcs he is from a country where is cold and people dont sleep there i read all about that stuff

plush pike
fleet scroll
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But he has obtained that whitebeards df bcs of his yami yami no mi

plush pike
fleet scroll
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So it is kinda makes sense if there is one more person who can find the actual fruit and ate it or is it too absurd?

zealous path
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Something I've noticed about the series overall that I think Oda really tries conveying: is that there is no absolute good or absolute evil beings, there's a lot of gray area and you can't suppose things by looking at them on the surface (like whether a ship is piloted by Pirates or Marines doesn't make the ship good or bad)
Yeah... I never suggested anybody said devils were absolutely evil, dude. and you missed my point that I said people really shouldn't take the term " devil" literally which you keep on insisting on doing anyway by arguing with me over whether wills of devils are a thing.

plush pike
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Literally anything from "he has a grandmother that bestowed upon him magical fairy powers to obtain two devil fruits" to "He's a vegapunk experiment that incorporated two or more people into one" could be true at this point.

plush pike
fleet scroll
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Yea i hope that eveything in the end of the series will make sense and we can have an epic anime/manga which will be remembered by everyone

plush pike
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I'm sure Oda won't let us down.

fleet scroll
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Lets hope that way

zealous path
plush pike
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Anyway, man's gotta eat. Nice talking to you guys.

zealous path
# plush pike Why shouldn't I take it literally?

I gave two good reasons why. 1) there's no mentions of literal devils anywhere in the manga/anime and 2) a simpler alternative would be that devil fruits were given that name because of folklore.

plush pike
zealous path
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You don't see a reason because you choose not to, dude. But no skin off my bones either way so PES2_Shrug

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I will say though upon thinking about it, a valid argument for why the family of D. can have an association with devils is because Donquixote Rosinante has said, "In certain places, the clan of D. have been called by another name, God's Archenemy."

plush pike
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That was one of my pieces of evidence yes.

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And now you made an assumption about why I don't see a reason, which needs to be substantiated.

reef crow
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If you guys wanna keep going can you take it to #vc-manga wouldn’t want to clog up the channel as the day goes on alright?

supple nimbus
zinc iris
rigid dust
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I have a theory and it goes like this how about when god valley disappeared it was sent to the sky on a knock up stream and roxs was on it and he has lived by eating dragons on god valley and I think after elbaf and load star it'll fall down and the final battle start

ancient vault
queen arrow
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indicating it's not a special sword

ancient vault
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straight longsword with a crossguard like these we've mainly seen in Alabasta iirc

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queen arrow
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it's a Longsword

sand sail
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^ I believe broadsword would be what Kyros uses, right?

queen arrow
sand sail
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Yep

queen arrow
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a Broadsword is similar but shorter iirc

ancient vault
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Whats Mihawks called?

sand sail
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Broadsword is basically a longsword with a bit more thickness if i'm not mistaken

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Mihawk uses a messer

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Grossemesser

ancient vault
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I see. I wonder what happened to his old sword

sand sail
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He's one of the few where it's like just no question, there aren't too many varieties for his lol

queen arrow
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it seemed to be just a regular cutlass

ancient vault
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It seemed to me that Rayleigh settled down after the Roger Pirates disbanded. If it broke then I wonder when LuffyThink
And if it didnt why did he exchange it. Someone gotta ask in SBS

queen arrow
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maybe he just lost it somewhere and didn't care

ancient vault
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Could this have been his old sword and he gave it to shanks?

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sand sail
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The guard is a bit more angular than Rayleigh's one in Oden's flashback, but maybe?

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Could just be a small discrepancy

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I'd love if that ends up being the case too, and Buggy was jealous about it. LUL

ancient vault
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Is this like usual thing that happens on pirate ships? Do you just leave behind your captain hat?
I wonder if its stored on the Oro Jackson and Luffy finds it some time

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amber oar
pure raven
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Or even earlier. UrougeFedora

amber oar
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Love how panels connect through time

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ancient vault
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And theres still the egg

craggy pumice
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the egg Uranus will hatch from

pure raven
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I know there are artificial Zoans out there; will we see artificial Paramecia fruits in the near future?

weak arrow
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Not likely. Artificial zoans were made possible through DNA

pure raven
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if Devil Fruits affect the Lineage Factor(DNA) wouldn't a live user be needed to make an artificial Paramecia?

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will we get a Nuke Nuke Fruit in the future? and if so who would we see having it?

craggy pumice
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Mr. 5

pure raven
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I would say Vegapunk having it, BUT not eating it

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I ask about the Nuke Nuke Fruit over the wonder of how durable Kaido really is.
could he survive a nuclear strike from a Nuke Nuke Fruit user, or a weapon made from the Nuke Nuke Fruit?

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Mr. 5 already has the bomb-bomb fruit as YC said.

junior cape
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And he makes great use of it by sitting around and picking his nose

zinc iris
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It's possible to make an artificial paramecia or even logia but you'd need to engineer the right genetic mutation which is much less straightforward than splicing animal LF

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You can even argue the vinsmokes are an attempt and that's why they have curly eyebrows

amber oar
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funny that Oda half joked Sanji may be a devil fruit, back in volume 45 SBS

half bloom
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So what is the top theory on one piece so far?

wicked grove
half bloom
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Stopped reading right b4 Wano arc

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@wicked grove

pure raven
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Usopp becomes king of pirates and sogeking kills luffy

half bloom
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Well im asking bc i wanna write a fanfiction but i dont know what to do about IM and the treasure

ancient vault
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There is already a in the englisch community pretty well known fanfiction (with manga drawings) about reverie events that involves Im.
Idk if you know it but its called "Return to the Reverie" by Artur

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I'd say the most popular theory is the destruction of the red line. You can find it on Arlong Park

drifting cargo
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Mr Morj is actually onto something for once. What if Orochi gets stronger the more heads that are cut off?
If he only has one left, he could actually be somewhat strong. Enough of a challenge for Hiyori, while being too much for lesser side characters, and still too weak for any of the major characters

plush pike
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But why would the scabbards leave one of his heads and think he's dead? Is he hiding it or something?

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My guess is Fukorokoju has some kind of resurrection ability

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Either that, or Orochi can regrow heads.

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plush pike
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I mean if he has a head remaining, why wouldn't they assume he's still alive? I guess they never saw him get decapitated before by Kaido, but still.

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Did we count the amount of heads they cut off this chapter?

kind gate
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6

plush pike
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I counted 5 heads in that one panel, am I missing one?

sand sail
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Especially if they don't see a last one, which it seems like they did not

plush pike
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Hmm, I don't see Nekomamushi attacking in that panel, is he out of line of sight? Is that why you're assuming 6 more?

weak arrow
sand sail
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No, it's because we see him transform with 6 heads, then we see the 6 cut off with Nekomamushi being off screen with one

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But it still adds up to only 6

plush pike
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Oh crap I missed #1

weak arrow
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but yeah, 6 heads in this panel, but yeah that #1 is really easy to miss

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plush pike
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Seems like you're right yeah, he could have one head remaining. But that still leaves the question as to why they would leave one head. For Hiyori? xD

weak arrow
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They left it cause they didnt know he wouldnt die

plush pike
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LuffyThink I mean, that's a weird assumption. No other living creature dies if it still has a head remaining. Unless they're counting on him bleeding out?

weak arrow
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They don't see the last head

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They saw 6 heads. They cut 6 heads.

plush pike
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Wait so he can choose how many heads he spawns?

weak arrow
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Yes

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We see just 3 when he talks to Kanjuro in the flashback, and he doesnt even ahve 8 when he's first revealed iirc

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I also like to think this"tail" is the last head, though

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plush pike
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Huh, interesting.

drifting cargo
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And not to mention he had no other heads shown when he "died" the first time
I think

plush pike
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So maybe he's just immune to decapitation? That could be interesting. His "heads" could just be spawned in at will, and decapitations are not permanent? I mean it could be the case that he only has one head remaining now, but if he can just spawn them and retract them at will, it stands to reason they're not a permanent part of his transformed form.

sand sail
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He can't regrow them, he's not a hydra, so once they're off then they're off

kind gate
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Does orochi not have any special attacks?

plush pike
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Well, according to Yaiba fandom, one of its superhuman abilities is regeneration. No idea where they get that idea from though.

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However, they also cite flight, so...

empty vector
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Guys have u analyzed the panels with zoro?

west saffron
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This is Zoros Scarred eye, Right? like, its his left eye thats scarred, right? Yea I just checked it is his scarred eye. This is the first time we have seen his pupil since sabaody or the training arcs I believe. I know the whole when is zoro gonna open his eye thing is a mem, but like... Look at it! Its open! on a close up! Might just be oda messing it up but

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empty vector
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It looks like he opened his eye but could be a drawing mistake

kind gate
west saffron
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yes, yes I have

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its either real or a drawing mistake, but i dont think it could be something else

plush pike
weak arrow
west saffron
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yes I am going to

kind gate
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Why are y'all getting hype over an eye I'm so confused

west saffron
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Its a meme

plush pike
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Well it's not like you get decapitated every day, he must have thought he was dead

west saffron
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kinda a meme, not entirely tho. it would be sick but it would be funny

ancient vault
plush pike
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But I'm fine with Fukorokoju working his ninpo on Orochi too

west saffron
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The only way to know is to wait]

kind gate
plush pike
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Well as a ninja, he could be speaking in appearance terms.

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Like, "to the world, you died today".

visual merlin
west saffron
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Nah.... It would make some sense imo. hes at his absolute limit

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like a determination type thing.

visual merlin
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he's coughing up blood, if there's gonna be a reveal like that it'd be when he's getting ready to attack or something

west saffron
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It is only slightly open. it might be hinting

visual merlin
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not a small panel where his bandana is off and he's coughing up blood

ancient vault
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@west saffron Korean scans

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visual merlin
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that is a very bad hint then

west saffron
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oh what?

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I dont understand how a scan messes that up

ancient vault
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Japanese raws

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kind gate
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Laww why would his injured eye even open
I don't get the significance
Every chapter release day people come here talking about his eye

west saffron
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How does a scan mess that up?

visual merlin
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lots of people think there's something special with his eye and that it'll open and give him some power

kind gate
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why would-
SengokuPalm

visual merlin
plush pike
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They've been watching too much of another show that shall not be mentioned.

west saffron
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Its a meme my guy

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i said that from the start but it would be funny and something i would want to happen so

ancient vault
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Dont even notice it at first. Zorotards just reaching and zooming in super close

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kind gate
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lmao

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plus why u tryna prove a 'meme'?

west saffron
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Imagine calling people 'zorotards' lmao just trying to have fun my guy i did not insult your mother

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I try to prove a meme because its what i want to do i am trying to have fun. you should try it sometime 😂

visual merlin
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I get you're looking for fun but if it's just you memeing then

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west saffron
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Yknow, you type of people are the reason I usually dont go here. maybe I should continue that trend. taking a goddamn manga too seriously like dude go outside

visual merlin
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I mean

ancient vault
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LMAO

visual merlin
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I just posted the rule of the channel, Im not a mod or anything so its not like I made the rules

ancient vault
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This is to funny lmfao

kind gate
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They always get butt hurt

weary cliff
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We got two other channels just for shit posts and powerscaling debates.

fringe tide
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So zoros gonna be out of the fight now right? Also does hybrid kaido not have his high ass defense alike his dragon form since hes dodging luffy now

plush pike
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He's really hurt obviously, but we've seen Zoro pull through much worse.

exotic echo
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It has been a while, but this is Zoro's thing- he's gonna be bloody and keep fighting

fringe tide
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I mean the man took a combo attack from two yonkos head on though for a brief second, can he really get back to fighting them

plush pike
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And I'm not talking about the attack itself, which was obviously the worst, but the damage on his body doesn't seem to compare to the Thriller Bark thing or what he received from Mihawk.

grizzled fog
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Honestly I think it’d be a bit much if he actually managed to keep fighting after this, I’d like him to at least stay down until Hawkins arrives and he gets buffed

plush pike
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In pre-timeskip, Zoro almost always fought while injured.

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Hawkins will buff Zoro?

dusky acorn
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I don't think Zoro's going to keep fighting, for some reason I don't see many people mentioning Zoro taking off his bandana, which is pretty dang serious. I can't think of another time he's done this right in the middle of a fight that still has much more to go

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Even Zoro knows he needs to tap out

grizzled fog
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Hawkins will use his cards to buff everyone on the roof, including zoro

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Until then I think he should stay down

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It’d be a bit ridiculous if he kept fighting after this imo, especially with no visible change in performance

queen arrow
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wait Zoro took out his bandana?

dusky acorn
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Yeah, in the very last panel of him coughing up blood, the bandana is off of his head

queen arrow
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it being such a small panel I think it might be an drawing mistake tbh

night jewel
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doubt it is that, considering that its kinda part of the cliffhanger with big mom falling, oda is almost certainly emphasising on this panel

queen arrow
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otherwise he'd have to take it off while simultaneously keeping Prometheus at bay

grizzled fog
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I think once big mom falls in the water the homies will be weakened enough that he doesn’t necessarily have to

fringe tide
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Yeah i missed that to, so zoro def is tapping out for the time being, if marco doesnt die maybe he could help zoro recover enough to fight again plus hawkins buff cause I seriously think all the supernovas there will all contribute to kaidos defeat

dusky acorn
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The bandana was remembered to be drawn just 3 pages before the end, and it being on the chapter ender I don't think Oda would leave much room for mistake. It could be an unlikely error, but for now I'll just be going off of what's plainly drawn on the page

night jewel
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he takes it off after he cuts prometheus, so i assume that its supposed to show that his condition got even worst after trying to move and do that

sturdy hawk
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During the next chapters Kidd, Killer and Law might need to hold the game while Luffy and Zoro recover a bit

night jewel
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yup thats what i am guessing right now

grizzled fog
queen arrow
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i guess only time will tell

plush pike
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If they're going to protect them, they're going to have to tank Kaido

grizzled fog
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I don’t think oda will give us action without luffy or zoro, as much as I’d love it

night jewel
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the way its emphasized here does imply we are getting that imo, but who knows

fringe tide
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I think kid and his supersonic attack is doing more damage then kidds “hit them with even more metal” strategy

chilly helm
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IN the cover page, look at what Tama is doing, she's giving a stawhat to one of the statues, this could be foreshadowing that one of the scabbards will join maybe?

sturdy hawk
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I had an idea that next chapter will be the worst gen (that can fight) needing to hold Kaido in place as to not make him summon Dragon clouds while Big Mom falls down

grizzled fog
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That said if kid doesn’t have enough metal for punk rotten he might have to change strategies, maybe pulling out the Onigashima sword? Or learning ryuo

kind gate
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Whenever big mom does come back I see Hawkins come in with a healing card

lyric dust
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Hawkins UsoppSus

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hopefully he switches sides and comes to the roof

pseudo pewter
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I hope the mf dies in the fight

lyric dust
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lol

pseudo pewter
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Don't like him

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😂😂😂 do you thing luffy is k.o?

lyric dust
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im not really a fan of his devil fruit ability, but i think everything else about him is above average (compared to other members of the worst gen)

dusky acorn
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Well, I wouldn't say that's really a good reason to be theorizing on the basis of a character death, but alrighty

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I don't think Luffy's unconcious, supposedly he held up Kaido for a while after the Ragnorak

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Seeing as how Kaido never went to Big Mom's aid that entire time

ancient vault
pseudo pewter
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Ok I think Chapter 1010 will be the end of act 3

ancient vault
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act aint ending, raid aint failing (probably)

hot ice
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I mean either act 3 ends basically here or it never does

lyric dust
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Oli is going to use this drawing as evidence for tama joining the straw hats oh god

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pseudo pewter
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Yeah

hot ice
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I can't think of another narrative beat to end the act on other than luffy being gravely injured

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pseudo pewter
dusky acorn
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I already analysized that colourspread, it definitely strengthens Tama's chances

ancient vault
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We're to deep in the war for it to just fail and the SHs to regrou

dusky acorn
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It's not a huge reason for the theory, but it's nice complimentary evidence

pseudo pewter
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But Yamato look at the outfit from Brook

lyric dust
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i seriously hope nobody joins the crew after wano

kind gate
pseudo pewter
kind gate
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Ysc

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That’s a first

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Why

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dusky acorn
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We already have a doctor and navigator on the crew anyway, not that roles are the end all but still.

pseudo pewter
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Yeah but I hope he comes to Raftel with the strawhats

ancient vault
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Why tho? He has no interest in that

pseudo pewter
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But we need a "real" Zoan

dusky acorn
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Yamato can be that real zoan, we know she probably has one

ancient vault
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We dont need a "real" zoan nor do we need a logia

kind gate
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Shimon that’s true what other roles are needed

pseudo pewter
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Who knows I mean we never have seen the flashback of Marco

ancient vault
dusky acorn
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Some people say Lookout would be nice, others say Apprentice

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But yeah, there's truly nothing left that's needed

ancient vault
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A lookout is not needed, nor is an apprentice

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What it comes down to now is whether Luffy likes you and lets you on the ship. They'll find a role for you when youre on the ship

kind gate
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I see would carrot be a good lookout

pseudo pewter
ancient vault
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caribou

pseudo pewter
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Yamato is also Interested about Raftel...

pseudo pewter
dusky acorn
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Caribou is hitching a ride on the ship out of Wano if Luffy owns up to his agreement at least..

weak arrow
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I mean, i honestly dont even remember the strawhats even wanting a helmsman, and jinbe became it, and then when he arrived at wano, they were like, he's a great helmsan, and franky is like "finally a guy who can use the sunny"

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pseudo pewter
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Good Theory at least we will have someone which luffy "hate" 😂😂😂

ancient vault
kind gate
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Use the sunny ¿ lmao

weak arrow
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Caribou's role on the crew is stowaway

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kind gate
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Oh

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Either way I think the person or people who join will be written as if they’re needed

ancient vault
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If it wasnt tho its really just helps my point that no role is needed anymore. Its just that one might be able to do the role a bit better. Like for example it was heavily implied that we NEED a proper navigator or shipwright. Luffy was looking for a musician since like chapter 1 or 2

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But we have never had the same for look out, or logbook writer

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Nor cabin boy or stuff like that

kind gate
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I get you swrml I’m just saying when they join they just won’t be a nuisance in the corner

ancient vault
kind gate
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Hmmm okay

ancient vault
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Still hope Yamato doesnt join tho DoffEZ

kind gate
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Why swrml

pure raven
silent valley
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i dont see a connection tbh

weak arrow
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if everyone wants to elaborate, please do in #also-manga because the theory wont be serious 🙂

kind gate
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Lol okay Adam

ancient vault
silent valley
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so colorspreads cant be used in a theory?

kind gate
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Adam do you have any theories of your own

dusky acorn
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They can, but not as the sole evidence for something

mild kite
silent valley
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alright

kind gate
dusky acorn
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Not really a strong theory if all you have to go off is a cover page or colourspread, but if it's backed by good hard evidence first and foremost then yeah, it's better than nothing

silent valley
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oh

weak arrow
# kind gate Adam do you have any theories of your own

I have plenty of theories, but none that are so highly evidence based like the ones in the pins.

A very recent example would be Hawkins being the silhouette that bandaged up the scabbards, but at this point, it's probably Hiyori.

silent valley
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which could make Hiyori in that relative area... giving her a shot at Orochi

kind gate
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I doubt it
I feel like it’s for sure hiyori
I think Hawkins is just watching the odds right now
Does anyone have any theories on what Sanji is doing¿

pure raven
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nothing?

silent valley
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running to yamato

dusky acorn
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Sanji choosing Yamato at this point seems strange, it's not as though they have any strong enemies immediately in their midst, so not really sure what Sanji would do

silent valley
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wasnt it between yamato and the scabbards

weak arrow
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He'll end up at the main fight

silent valley
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im just saying that cause we just saw the Scabbards

weak arrow
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Yamato and the scabbards have all already left the locations where Sanji was headed for

kind gate
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Adam u mean roof or Marco them¿

weak arrow
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In my opinion, he went originally went towards Yamato, thus he will end up in the fight with Queen, king, perospero, etc

silent valley
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i do believe he will arrive at where peros is

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help marco out

pure raven
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That was just a question. No need to shoot down a question as 'something that won't lead to a serious theory'

ancient vault
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Urouge gang

silent valley
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but whyd you put the chair

pure raven
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The design on Franky's shoulder looks like the empty throne. It has two lions on the side and the top of the design has a crown.

silent valley
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just doesnt seem like a theory

weak arrow
pure raven
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Not every post here is a theory. Some of it is just discussion, @silent valley.

silent valley
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but thats not the point of this channel

ancient vault
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Its theorizing on it so it kind of is

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But well whatever lets go back to Hiyori reveal next chapter DoffEZ

dusky acorn
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General theoretical discussion is fine. Like "Who do you guys think Sanji is fighting next?"
But as for Lilahk's image sure, I can see the design similarities. But don't have anything to make of it really.

weak arrow
silent valley
kind gate
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No I think raizo just loses to the other ninja dude who’s name I can’t spell

pure raven
silent valley
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i think that he'll beat him then Orochi comes back and kills/injures him

ancient vault
kind gate
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Aii

ancient vault
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And I could see the cheap shot from Orochi actually

weak arrow
ancient vault
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He could also lose youre right but then I dont understand what exactly Fukus purpose will be after he won

kind gate
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Maybe he comes close to losing and shinobu intervenes

ancient vault
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Oh I forgot about her lmao

weak arrow
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I think Orochi will just leave Raizo and Fuku alone and go on his own business, and he'll run into Hiyori.

dusky acorn
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I wonder if Fukurokuju is set to get a flashback of some sort during his youth with Raizo. The spark to the rivalry hasn't exactly been set up

kind gate
silent valley
kind gate
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Maybe they fought over shinobu

ancient vault
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He'll definitely run into Hiyori. I would like it if the two were left alone but I could still see the cheapshot from Orochi

kind gate
ancient vault
silent valley
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could just be that Raizo feels betrayed that he'd pledge allegiance to Orochi

weak arrow
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I can definitely agree with a cheap shot, but I would definitely prefer if it was just Orochi and Hiyori, 1-on-1 together

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a cheap shot means fuku is coming with him

kind gate
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They both can’t fight

silent valley
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fair... but id also take the theory that he regens his heads back and each of the people (hiyori,Zoro,Momo??,etc) who hold a grievance against him get to chop one off

kind gate
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But if hiyori could use like a metal fan to fight or something I think it would be cool

amber oar
silent valley
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ahh i see

kind gate
weak arrow
kind gate
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Jack vs inu¿

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Anybody have thoughts¿

sturdy hawk
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Eh, I don't feel much for these matchups until I see them cause they can potentially get offscreened, but they are nice matchups

wicked grove
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That’s how I feel too

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Not much to go off of if you’re not really watching the fights

kind gate
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I want on screen raizo lmao

wicked grove
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I think if Inu vs Jack is really happening then Sanji vs King is becoming a reality!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Let me dream

weak arrow
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I mean, I know a lot of people want to finally see Jack's hybrid form, but I'm not really sure what else we'll see. Inu's sorta shown his bag of tricks

sturdy hawk
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I didn't like Kaido in the base and dragon forms in terms of offense, but when he went Hybrid it played really nicely and exceeded my expectations, that's how I feel with every zoan tbh

wicked grove
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Luffy be like “You dodged my punches. What are you? A PUSSY? 🤔”

acoustic helm
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I believe act 3 will end happily 😂

acoustic helm
dusky acorn
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Well, if Act 3 is going to be serving as a signal to the finale of the raid as I think it will, probably

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And Luffy is still taking the fight very seriously. He's just gleeful enough to see improvement in his combat abilities to let that taunt slip. He probably regretted it afterwards though, seeing as all it did was enrage Kaido more

queen arrow
grizzled fog
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cough luffy vs Fujitora

queen arrow
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Luffy is the guy who says he's fighting seriously while simultaneously pulling stuff like "Water Luffy"

grizzled fog
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Huh weird, must have something in my throat

queen arrow
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in short he's an idiot

dusky acorn
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Fujitora is quite a special case as Luffy liked him and could tell he had a handicap

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Whereas with Kaido there's no amiability present, nor something on Kaido's side that should want to make Luffy even the odds

kind gate
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Lmao

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Imagine luffy trying to trick Kaido mentally
Trying to make Kaido feel weaker
300iq play

dusky acorn
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Kaido's mentality would probably never be tricked in such a way, but on that note there is the whole trend of Kaido being hindered by reminders of Oden.
Kaido seeing Oden through the Scabbards made him hesitate enough to the point where he didn't dodge their opening strikes, and a similar thing almost happened with Zoro's Kaen Blaze. It's Luffy who can probably be the one to continue that trend in some way to actually land a decisive blow

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I have no doubt some would find it cheap if it happens, but the weight of Oden's story Luffy is carryring has to go somewhere. I don't think those past reminders about Oden are just going to be dropped as a plot-line

kind gate
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Hmmm, I would hope luffy gives reminders of rocks instead

fast rover
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seeing all the time momo spent on rogers crew i wish we get to see his reaction to seeing shanks

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grown up i mean

dusky acorn
kind gate
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Hmmm okay

polar bison
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the exact functions of Orochi’s DF are somewhat confusing here

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why did he only seem to show 6 heads to be cut off? shouldn’t he have had 7? is he capable of like, hiding heads???

craggy pumice
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Probably, otherwise it would have been weird if Izo didnt just shoot into his last remaining head

sacred hawk
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So wait, does Zoro still have Ashura?

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Because if he didn't use it even for this chapter, then I'm gonna start thinking that Oda dropped it

grizzled fog
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If he doesn’t use it by the end of Onigashima I think it’s safe to call it a dropped concept

craggy pumice
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^

manic relic
dusky acorn
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But I think it's not a matter of asking if he has it, since it's definitely lurking within his arsenal somewhere

kind gate
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No time I think shimon

dusky acorn
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It's just a matter of if he attained an upgraded version of it like most of his other moves, or if Oda wants to write it back in at all

grizzled fog
manic relic
weak arrow
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That's why Vemqi said by the end of this arc

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not this specific atttack

grizzled fog
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Yea I can understand if he hasn’t necessarily had a good opportunity yet

sacred hawk
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They're up against two Yonko, and the three captains have already used their strongest attacks against just Kaido. So I don't see why Zoro would have any reason to hold back

weak arrow
manic relic
sacred hawk
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The fact that he decided to use gear 4th right off the bat means he was giving it his all. And if that's not enough to finish off Kaido, then there's no reason to hold off on anything stronger

weak arrow
polar bison
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yea idt any of the captains have tried their strongest attacks yet

lavish maple
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afro luffy can beat kaido smh

dusky acorn
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@lavish maple No, that clearly wouldn't help. please don't joke around in this channel.

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But yeah Khione, I think it would be cool if Luffy used a red hawk/red roc variant for G4 if he has one, I think that could have potential to be his strongest attack yet

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As for Kid, the best he's done is use his Gibson variant for his Rotten form, so there must be something greater

grizzled fog
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What mythical bird options are there for a G4 option?

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Phoenix? (Redundant maybe) Red dragon? Not really a bird

dusky acorn
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I'm not sure actually. The naming scheme already evolved from breaking the boundary of reality with hawk into mythology with roc, but I guess we could push that even further

grizzled fog
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I guess itd be somewhat fitting to go from giant bird to dragon maybe?

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Other than that Phoenix and Vermillion bird are the only things I can thing of

craggy pumice
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who would be the black tortoise

dusky acorn
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It seemed quite long to fit into a naming scheme of the attack is the only thing for me. So far the animals of the fire punches for Luffy have been 1 syllable each

craggy pumice
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Red Ryu

grizzled fog
dusky acorn
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Oh right lmao, so Red Dragon would potentially work

craggy pumice
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yeah, cause in other case I would have said Luffy is the black tortoise

grizzled fog
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Wait Genbu is the opposite of Suzaku right? So it’d make sense if the person who beat Marco’s ass once Is Genbu

craggy pumice
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oh yeah

zinc iris
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considering the turnout of Emperors I'm not sure you can apply the 4 divine beasts there

lyric dust
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genbu?

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oh god that conversation was an hour ago and i didn't even notice

visual mulch
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Y’all I have a weird theory

dusky acorn
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Don't have any wild new theory in mind, but as for existing ideas there's plenty up in the pins that some may consider weird, although they're backed by evidence. If you'd like to scour one of those, that's one way to spark a discussion in here

grizzled fog
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Shim, they said they have a weird one, not they are looking for one

dusky acorn
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Oh, I don't know how I deleted the letter I out of my vision

dusky acorn
visual mulch
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I think sanji might die in the future bc we haven't seen Roger's left hand Gaban. Perhaps this is because Gaban was killed in battle. As Sanji is Luffy's left-hand, maybe he will die in the final battle as well.

dusky acorn
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Well Gaban isn't exactly an outlier, we don't know any of the Roger Pirates whereabouts besides Shanks, Buggy, Crocus and Rayleigh

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It's very much of a majority of the crew being missing from the present, so Gaban's nonexistence in the story isn't a big indicator of his status

visual mulch
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nico olivia

dusky acorn
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It's a cool idea, but I think death is sorta jumping the gun

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Who would he have been killed by anyway?

visual mulch
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probably a member of rock's crew

dusky acorn
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Well, as for Rocks Pirates remnants, there's only really Big Mom and Kaido who are still relevantly existing in the present story anymore

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Shiki might come back, but who knows

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So I'm not sure how we'd learn about Gaban's supposed death

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He might in fact be dead, but it doesn't have to be combat, maybe just natural causes

grizzled fog
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Also Sanji dying just because gabán died seems like a tad bit of a forced parallel

drifting aurora
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Who said Gaban died?

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He could still be just hiding in the new era

junior cape
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Yeah Gaban is unknown as of right now

ancient vault
# visual mulch probably a member of rock's crew

Idk if u understood the timeline but gaban was still alive and well after the rocks pirates were defeated. He was still alive when Roger and Oden left the ship. Theres nothing to suggest he died

dusky acorn
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Yeah he was doing just fine the last time we saw him off. Only reason I say there's a chance he may be dead is because he'd be like, in his 70s or 80s if he were still here. But if Oda wants a character to be alive even at that age, then he'll of course allow them to be

wary sable
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I like to believe the roger pirates would appear again. they've always known what's about to come, maybe they would take part in the final war

remote root
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What do you think of this theory
Orochis DF should have an mythical ability
Now there is possibility that the ability is just having 8 lives. But that just seems like what physical capability orochi had. Like it's part of its biology not an ability. Considering he still has an ability which is Unrevealed how about following suggestion.
The DF was hyped as having great power so far it's nothing but ability to have 9 lives which isn't powerful it's useful not powerful.
So I think the DF ability is conditional Ability that after Getting killed 7 times or even 8 you get one more chance and your ability unlocks.
This is based on folklore of orochi that susanoo found a great and powerful sword after killing orochi. This sword could be the great power this DF gives.
Now being reborn with sword in hand doesn't fit right in. It could be possibility but more befitting is being reborn with ability of this sword.
The sword is called grass cutter which has ability to control the Air and air flow. Being reborn with ability to control air fit the hype of it being very powerful and we can get the Wind ability we wanted to see in one piece so bad. Not a Logia but from a mythical zoan DF user.

hot ice
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really unsure by you mean saying the ability to have multiple lives isn't powerful lol

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that's downright broken

exotic echo
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I don't think that's going to happen. Orochi being 'reborn' with the ability of some sword which has nothing to do with his zoan has no place narratively or even technically

ancient vault
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That would also mean youre literally getting someone back from the literal dead which oda doesnt want to do he said

exotic echo
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"once he is killed 7 or 8 times, he will be reborn with the ability of a sword that the yamata no orochi never used or had the abilities of"

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no idea where that comes from, but no, this is not happening

ancient vault
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Pretty random to think that a Zoan suddenly turns you into a sword or sth, or grants you a sword this strong

remote root
exotic echo
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#1 you have to ask yourself WHY he would need to be reincarnated in the context of the story

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#2 you have to ask why he'd need to regain special abilities

remote root
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Why did he had be reborn after getting killed by kaido? Nothing

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He must have an special ability as all mythical zoan DFs have

hot ice
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being reborn is the special ability!

exotic echo
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which is that he can survived having a head chopped off among his 9 heads

dusky acorn
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Well, Orochi has failed to show an inkling of fighting prowess in every instance he's been in. The combat aspect just isn't something Orochi's character is built up for, and yet this seems like an arbitrary way to patch up a reasoning why his character should still go in that direction.
The best thing Orochi can do now is meet Hiyori and be defeated for good by her/locked up. It's probably the original reason Hiyori even came to the raid

exotic echo
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not getting some special wind powers or whatever

remote root
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The abilities of zoan users are based in the mythology not the animal itself

hot ice
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idk about you but if I ate a fruit and someone told me that I could now be decapitated 7 times before dying I'd think that was pretty sick

remote root
exotic echo
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``Being reborn with ability to control air fit the hype of it being very powerful and we can get the Wind ability we wanted to see in one piece so bad. Not a Logia but from a mythical zoan DF user.`

your reasoning here is basically "it'd be cool and the fandom has been wanting something like this"

remote root
hot ice
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utility might as well be power in an extreme enough case

remote root
exotic echo
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sure it is

hot ice
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I don't see anyone denying that big mom's ability to manipulate souls is powerful

exotic echo
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you just don't think it is

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being able to "die" 8 times is amazing power

dusky acorn
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Well I doubt Higurashi was planning on Orochi becoming some great big fighter, he was merely meant to be a Shogun sitting on a throne

exotic echo
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literally having 9 lives

dusky acorn
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The fruit was probably meant to act as a safety insurance

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Being able to survive a beheading is pretty special enough already

hot ice
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yeah

remote root
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Well that maybe the case

hot ice
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we've in fact met zero characters that can canonically survive a beheading before this

remote root
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Depends

pure raven
remote root
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Kaido

hot ice
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fine we've met one

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and brook's df only gives him one extra life

pure raven
remote root
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Yeah

hot ice
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one piece characters just don't work that way, nobody can survive a beheading even if it takes a lot to behead them

exotic echo
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it's just a huge stretch to take a one-off line about a devil fruit granting power and turn it into someone reincarnating with extra abilities beyond what we've seen. devil fruits obviously grant power to anyone who eats them, that's always been a thing. calling the powers we've already seen displayed "not powerful enough" and theorizing that there's more based off of your own interpretation of what is good enough

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is not very strong evidence

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nor does it really make any sense in the context of the arc right now

hot ice
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in fact orochi's fruit is probably one of the more broken ones we've seen

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it's a zoan, which always offer increased durability, and gives you EIGHT lives. on top of that you have 8 heads that you can manipulate given that none have been cut off

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in the hands of literally anybody but this sniveling rat it would automatically elevate them to a high tier fighter

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I can think of 2 fruits on onigashima right now that are clearly better than it and they are kaido and big mom's fruits

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MAYBE law's

remote root
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The Theory is DF having conditional Ability. Regardless of Narrative based on folklore of Orochi the biggest part of his story is there being an heavenly sword inside him. I am not saying orochi needs more power in story or for story I am saying if the DF is based on this mythology then the sword should be a big part of the DF power as it is big part of the mythology.

exotic echo
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fair enough, I guess

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i don't think there's a very high chance of this happening at all

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but i have been wrong before

remote root
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And because of the sword was revealed after he was killed there is possibility of the ability unlocking after either only 1 head remains meaning out of 8 there is only 1 head remaining and the next time you grow your head you get this ability or Another option is after being killed completly you get revived one more time with ability. This also fits the current situation kaido cut off 1 head scabbards cut of 6 meaning total 7 are gone. Orochi still has one more life left there is no point in keeping him alive if he isn't going to be threat to alliance at this point even momo can kill orochi.
Also yamato fighting boosted orochi also fits the mythology as the sword was later given to yamato.
Now we have two characters from mythology who are connected with the sword. How come sword is not part of the DF.
Now manifesting actual sword doesn't seem logical it can be but orochi doesn't even know how to use sword. Instead manifesting the swords ability instead of the sword seems much more logical.
This way both orochi and DF and him still being alive has Narrative meaning

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Here is more narrative meaning why orochi is starting fires

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exotic echo
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All that comes across as to me is that what happened this chapter & the last is already the reference to this part of the myth

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and anything about sword abilities or w/e isn't happening, because these elements are already satisfied

quaint haven
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1009 was brilliant! Did luffy actually have a 10 min break or what 😂 so how do ppl think big mom will survive the fall into the ocean?

remote root
dusky acorn
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Orochi still has one more life left there is no point in keeping him alive if he isn't going to be threat to alliance at this point even momo can kill orochi.
The same exact thing could have been said when Orochi was "killed" the first time by Kaido, and yet here he still came back in his same weak state to be obliterated by the Scabbards.
Or, if you want to spin it the other way in Orochi still being a useful factor since he was lighting things on fire, then well, that motive can continue even if Orochi still has one life left, so he's still a threat. Either way, Orochi being alive staying as the weakling he is sounds good.

It's true that the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi played a part in the original Orochi mythology, but Oda can still play around with the myth as he pleases, for whatever goes along with his actual story. As we clearly know, Orochi hasn't been built up to be a good fighter, so Oda doesn't have to flip the script to try going in that direction when he isn't made to be one

quaint haven
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@remote root can she ride the flame cloud then? I thought it was only zeus?

remote root
pure raven
quaint haven
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@remote root u said the flame cloud are u talking about bms flame cloud or kaido ability

remote root
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Kaido's ability

quaint haven
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@pure raven where are they all?

pure raven
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Might be tailing onig or something

quaint haven
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@remote root ahh ok. I cant see BM getting killed so easily.

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But i could see this splitting up kaido an BM so its all vs kaido

ancient vault
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@remote root Orochi got other ways to fck up the raid. He doesnt need to be super strong for it

remote root
remote root
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Except starting fires all over the place

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That's not that much threat

ancient vault
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Who knows what he has been planning for 20 years now. He knows that Kaido just randomly killed the old hag higurashi because he didnt need her anymore and she pissed him off. As paranoid as Orochi is its not a stretch to assume that he has had a plan to take revenge on Kaido if the same happened to him.

remote root
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Ok

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But if he know that his DF gives him power to control wind him starting fire could but that exact plan

dusky acorn
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The reason I see him being alive but only on his last legs is so that Hiyori meeting and delivering a final strike to defeat him can make sense, since she's not really a good fighter either. Even Orochi's strength would be able to defeat her if he had all his heads, so this is a way to setup their reuinion

ancient vault
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I think hes gonna be "full" hp totally fine jsut this time with one head shimon

dusky acorn
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Basically, all these revivals of Orochi are doing is completing his character arc and those relations towards him

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His relationship to Kaido came to an end, he got resolution with the Scabbards and learning about Kyoshiro's betrayal, and now all that's left is Hiyori

ancient vault
remote root
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copper frost
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Hiyori is definitely not going to kill him, she's powerful enough to blow him away but anyone killing Orochi at this point is not an option I think Oda would go for, his entire character arc depends on him seeing an open and prosperous Wano that he has fought to keep in the darkness

ancient vault
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Nah shes killing him DoffEZ

dusky acorn
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Hiyori isn't a good battler, but she was confident in wanting to get vengeance on him and Oden was also confident in dedicating Enma to her.
Since Orochi has one head, the damage he's feeling from losing all the others should be pretty big on him. It's not like he loses the heads without feeling pain, right. Hiyori would be good to meet him without him having the strength to really fight back anymore

ancient vault
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After seeing wano blossom or before BrookShrug

ancient vault
remote root
# copper frost Hiyori is definitely not going to kill him, she's powerful enough to blow him aw...

Where is the the proof that she is powerful enough to kill him? Me saying this DF should have one more ability according to the myth that it is based on is senseless and Assuming Hiyori is powerful to kill someone without having even seen her holding a sword or any kind of weapon is proof that yeah she can kill a mythical zoan type User which increases your Durability and power. Well done now all this makes sense

ancient vault
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He said she wont kill him lol

copper frost
remote root
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Sorry I mentioned the wrong message

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It was for that one guy who said she will kill him

ancient vault
dusky acorn
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Oh, so you think Zoro is COMPLETELY dropping out of the Kaido fight after the latest chapter?

remote root
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Yeah I had already typed half the message so I just completed it

ancient vault
dusky acorn
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I don't think Hiyori would be the one to heal him if Law is already up there as a doctor with him if he needs some dire operation

remote root
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I think law will heal zoro himself

ancient vault
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Possibly him and Yamato wills switch for a while

dusky acorn
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Oh, but if Law just teleports him down to complete safety like he did the Scabbards then that could work

remote root
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I don't see Zoro backing down from this fight

ancient vault
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Zoro is to much of a burden rn Law has no time operating on him

ancient vault
dusky acorn
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The only thing is, I can't see Zoro willingly telling Law he's done with the fight and wants to go away, especially with how excited he was to fight Kaido.
It would have to be something Law forces on Zoro, like abruptly teleports him down against Zoro's wishes because he sees his situation being too severe for him

remote root
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This is all based on that of Hiyori is on onigashima. Plus I don't think there is much to this "Hiyori+zoro" plot line anymore it had its use. It's done now like how oda used pudding and then threw her out once the arc was done

ancient vault
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Bruh the arc isnt over KataOmegaLUL

ancient vault
dusky acorn
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Well, it's true Hiyori is sort of in need of a bodyguard Kaizoku

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Especially if she's as weak as you've been making her out to be

ancient vault
remote root
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Well we will see

ancient vault
remote root
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I just don't think that zoro gets out from the rooftop battle any soon. Considering Luffy is probably in same state as him

ancient vault
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KataOmegaLUL Luffy isnt spitting out blood. Luffy is doing perfectly fine

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Just from moving a bit more to cut prometheus zoro coguhed up blood. He needs a break or hes going to die

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dusky acorn
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Zoro's bad condition was definitely being emphasized most, both Law and Killer had to ask Zoro if he was okay in different instances of the chapter

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It seems like the Hakai did some internal damage on Zoro which is interesting, the way he's coughing out blood like that

ancient vault
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he also took of his durag off just as a sidenote. Hes definitely considering taking a break at least

remote root
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Gets one shotted from thunder baguya in normal form.
Then again says one more hit of that and It will be fatal
Now takes hit from a named attack in hybrid form head on without dodging j think yeah Luffy will be spitting blood next chapter and this attack seems much more powerful that thuder baguya

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I am not saying zoro is in good shape

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I am saying both of them are in bad shape

ancient vault
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Youre implying that. We're seeing Zoro is just fucked rn

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Let him keep fighting and hes literally gonna die lol

remote root
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I think law will handle the internal damage

ancient vault
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He has no time to do an operation on the roof top

remote root
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Well he has

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Kid and killer and Luffy can definitely hold on kaido for some timw

night jewel
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Law isnt a healer anyways, he isnt capable of reverting the damage done to zoro

dusky acorn
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Luffy Killer* and Kid would need to stall Kaido just by themselves while the 2 tap out, yeah

remote root
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This is If big mom doesn't come back quickly

copper frost
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That's why I said we need more combatants

remote root
ancient vault
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As I said get Yamato on the top or someone else and swap Zoro down

night jewel
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Law has never really done anything like that, has he?

ancient vault
copper frost
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Not really, Arsal yeah

remote root
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I mean yeah we haven't seen him heal someone on the spot but It could happen in theory

ancient vault
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There we go with headcanon. If he hasnt shown it up to this point than he most likely cant do it

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Again Law is not a healer. Hiyori is tho

dusky acorn
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Anyway if Law were to ever give an operation on Zoro it probably wouldn't be in the prospect of having him rejoin the fight, but just to stop him from actually dying lol

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That is, if his situation gets to that point

remote root
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So you think that shilloute was Hiyori?? All your points are too based on headcanon don't come at me we still don't have solid proof of Hiyori being there

ancient vault
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it clearly is lmao wtf? Who else would it be??

copper frost
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Who else would it be tho

pearl mesa
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.

remote root
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I don't know why would oda draw her as shilloute and then make kawamatsu say it's impossible considering he already knows she is alive and well

ancient vault
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The silhouette looks exactly like hiyori
The silhouette was crying for the scabbards like it was someone close to them
The silhouette healed them and hiyori has shown that she has healing powers
The only other option really was Toki but shes dead

normal bluff
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joyboy is mugiwara

remote root
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Yeah

dusky acorn
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She would be silhouetted because her being on Onigashima is still a new development that prompts a formal reveal

copper frost
remote root
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Toki was never shown dead

night jewel
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Hiyori hasnt appeared in the series for about 50 chapters, and kawamatsu was told that she isnt going to be in the fight, she would stay out of onigashima so that would be the surprise here, oda drew izo as a silhouette as well, and he appeared like 13 chapters before that

remote root
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We never got to see her body or she isn't even in the panel at the time she dies

normal bluff
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im sama is rocks d xebec

remote root
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She could have used her power to jump forward

dusky acorn
night jewel
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toki has been confirmed to be dead, there were witnesses to her death and one of the witnesses is still alive to confirm her death as well. She was shot in the back with two arrows and was almost dead already

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but then she is shot again by beast pirates

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also, she literally said that she WONT jump into the future

copper frost
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Shim, all we've seen are individual fights when it comes to Zoro, we've never seen him in a predicament in such a manner that Oda is highlighting how much the attack even for a second or 2 has done such damage, in my estimate, he won't be able to make big attacks that he did which took off one of the horns of Onigashima for example, he either has to be subbed out or have him return to the fight with more people

ancient vault
remote root
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Its a bit strech but still there is possibility

normal bluff
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who is zoro dad

pure raven
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Doesn’t matter

ancient vault
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Literally all your arguments are just "theres still the possibility" ShanksWeird

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or "it'd be cool"

night jewel
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one of the witnesses is alive too btw, and if toki was alive then she would tell ashura about it

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pure raven
dusky acorn
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Shim, all we've seen are individual fights when it comes to Zoro
There was still Oars and Kuma in Thriller bark we can go off, and both team fights had Zoro going at it the entire time before both fights concluded in their own ways.

he won't be able to make big attacks that he did which took off one of the horns of Onigashima for example, he either has to be subbed out or have him return to the fight with more people
But yeah, he's drained to the point where he can't make anymore Kaen Blaze level attacks, I think he'll fall back until the inevitable Hawkins boost comes in for them

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This is a different kind of attack than what he has encountered before, even before the timeskip where he was exponentially weaker than he is in the current timeline, this checks in with my theory of having more of the powerhouse characters on both sides coming in to assist the alliance and Kaido and that it may all end in a battle royale that is gonna destroy the island, leaving no trace of Kaido and his crew in the country, such that we can see the apparent defeat, we've already seen the damage Hakai did to the island

dusky acorn
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The root of my argument basically was it wouldn't make much sense for it to be Law tapping out to temporarily heal Zoro, so if it really comes down to it, I'd prefer Hawkins for the scenario

copper frost
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I think Oda is leading up to such a situation where it is all going to come to a head with more powerhouse characters coming in and it has to be enough for even the people in the Flower Capital to take notice of that, probably the Scabbards too may come in to join the fight, alongside maybe like Hawkins, Sanji, Yamato and Jinbei on the alliance and some of the top officers to come up to assist Kaido on the side of the beast pirates, I do agree to your argument that Law tapping out to come heal zoro while Kaido goes ham on the rest is just infeasible at this point of time since there's no time for rest

dusky acorn
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both sides coming in to assist the alliance and Kaido and that it may all end in a battle royale that is gonna destroy the island, leaving no trace of Kaido and his crew in the country, such that we can see the apparent defeat, we've already seen the damage Hakai did to the island

Yeah, the damage to the island itself has been a huge recurring theme with the raid. The state of Onigashima is only getting worse with each passing chapter.
It'd be pretty ironic for Kaido if his own place would be erased from the severity of the conflict, when he was the one who wanted to obliterate the Kozuki's castle with Onigashima tumbling down on Wano.
If it happens, it would also be pretty reminiscent of what happened to God Valley, if this is truly supposed to be the 'next coming of Rocks'. Don't mean for this to come off as a complete forced parallel, but the Rocks similarities have actually been stated in story.

copper frost
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I love how Oda is taking us into the battle, as a conflict, I'm already enjoying it more than Marineford

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I think he also has more control of the chaos on this island and the twist and turns have been more potent in terms of how it impacts the emotional investment over the battle on the audience's side as well

dapper mica
# normal bluff who is zoro dad

We don’t know many of the straw hats (blood) parents, either because they’re irrelevant or because Oda doesn’t want to show us yet

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The only STs who we know both their parents are Sanji, Usopp and Chopper, though chopper shouldn’t really count as they’re both just ordinary reindeers

zinc iris
dapper mica
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Yeah but it also gives him more to work with

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What if sanji isn’t the only runaway royal

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Maybe a character will appear with a deep family history with a ST

zinc iris
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Well it's not opportune to repeat the same story beat too many times

kind gate
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Nice

acoustic helm
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Click bait ppl
Pointing towards the eye

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craggy pumice
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this is insane

mystic crown
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Trash taste is best group of anime youtubera

kind gate
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Uhhh but why in manga theories

coarse iron
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fujitora becomes an ally

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fringe tide
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So will cp0 do anything this arc or will they just watch from the shadows? Or it be like thriller bark after they beat kaido/bm cp0 comes and becomes the new enemies of the weakened supernovas/samurais

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ngl i kinda joined this server for this emoji ZoroWeary

night jewel
copper frost
pure raven
copper frost
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Yeah, that's the problem, they're a threat, we don't know what is gonna stray in or butt in to get them, I think Oda is keeping it as a mystery as to how they're going to operate at the end of the war

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We gotta see if cp0 finds out about momo

clever pebble
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what do you guys think about this ?

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the theory of BB has 3 different ppl in his body seems invalid so far

copper frost
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It's his crew

clever pebble
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can you explain more in depth ?

copper frost
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I think they recognized that all of the pirates they had encountered are a part of Blackbeard's crew and he was not the only one there alone

pure raven
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clever pebble
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i don't think he doesn't sleep is 100% confirmed yet, based on Buggy's conversation to Shanks, maybe he just needs sleep much less or can stay awake for days.

pure raven
grizzled fog
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Iirc the country we saw him join wb in wasnt a snow country

nimble hinge
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Maybe Momo despite him being useless. But I doubt it. Despite his past interactions with Kaido, he seems to be set up to stop Orochi from being killed. At least that's where I see his narrative going. But even then, I can see some momo and Kaido dialogue happening.

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errant oxide
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Blackbeard wasn’t alone

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nimble hinge
acoustic helm
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Kuinas dream was.passed on to zoro ,this way her dream never died

nimble hinge
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If anything, those reasons why, add to his narrative direction

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nimble hinge
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Again. Nothing to do with what was being said. But sure.

acoustic helm
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His job requires 10+ years exp but he himself is 8yrs

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dusky acorn
# pure raven How u know that he cant do those kind of attacks anymore?

I can tell just by reading Zoro's dialogue. After partly getting his by the strongest attack he's ever taken in the series, the answer Zoro gave to Law's question if he was still ready with them was that's he's "barely" even still okay. That was followed up by Zoro proceeding to lose even more blood, and taking off the handkerchief.

He won't be doing anymore of those Onigashima destroying attacks unless like the one Kaen earlier, unless you want him to try exerting that much energy with Enma at the cost of what's left of his life.

nimble hinge
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What's considered anytime soon? Cause he's definitely using attacks of that scale again

green roost
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zoro can get tactical healing possibly, we have multiple doctors around

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but without that, like shimon said, its hard for me to imagine zoro doing a strong enma slice again

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because of how enma functions and how damaged he is, combined

nimble hinge
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I'm expecting more. I'm expecting at least one huge attack from each Nova

dusky acorn
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Anytime soon means as long as Zoro stays in this state. Something needs to change his status in some way for him to return to those scale of attacks again, whether that be someone patching him up, or Hawkins coming in to empower the 5 beyond their limits is yet to be decided

nimble hinge
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First the other 3. Then Luffy and Zoro.

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grizzled fog
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I hope we at least see some impact Zoro’s performance from blocking Hakai, it’d feel weird if he just right back to fighting after that

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Also, if Hawkins arrives to buff the supernovas, that can be when zoro gets his big hit

nimble hinge
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I really don't want Hawkins as an ally in any capacity

green roost
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thats me, but with apoo lol

grizzled fog
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Hawkins is definitely helping the alliance at some point, I’m confident about that

green roost
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hawkins to me is like in neutral zone , he has more of a chance to turn than apoo

nimble hinge
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Like Hawkins character is the opposite of the 5 up there. And him and law had a conversation on their ideals and beliefs

green roost
nimble hinge
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Let Hawkins stick to those. His character drops so much if he flip flops on his beliefs

green roost
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its bound to be used AND by the good guys

nimble hinge
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I'm sure it will be used. But do it on someone else. Preferably a bad guy. But definitely don't want him any where near the other Novas.

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It would ruin his character for me personally.

green roost
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there was also the agreement that law and hawkins possibly came to while in that previous jail scene in wano ,if hawkins doesnt outright join he will at least stay out of their way

nimble hinge
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Was there? Can you post the panel

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Cause that's not how I remember it

green roost
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i dont recall if there was an agreement, i just assumed they reached neutral terms, law cut up hawkins, then the screen went black and we heard a slice , i think law took hawkins heart straight up

grizzled fog
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Yes it’s generally thought that law did something to Hawkins, like take his heart or make some sort of agreement, because if not Law would look like a dumb ass

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If law really let one of the strongest enemies live and go back to the beast pirates just to be an obstacle later

green roost
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black screen and then a slice, and then hawkins ends up ok when we see him again, obviously law didnt injure him further, he could have taken out his heart

nimble hinge
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If he has Hawkins heart, I'm more okay with it. Cause then he's not doing it willingly. But if he willingly switches, I will not enjoy his character at all.

green roost
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understandable, in that case i do strongly believe he has his heart when we look back on that scene

nimble hinge
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Although, even with the heart stuff, I don't see him making it to the roof.

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Drake and Apoo are below. Hawkins can stay down there too and still make use of his power.

green roost
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the roof could always come crashing down at some point Uruthless

nimble hinge
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Especially if Law gave Drake his heart for letting him go.

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But I doubt that. If anyone has it, very likely still law

solemn sandal
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What's up with Oda ignoring Mothers, THEN CREATE BIG MOM !!!!!

ancient vault
green roost
ancient vault
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What is hawkins supposed to do down there when he got most likely got a broken instant power up card

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Unless he powers up zoro before he goess back to the roof after hiyori healed him 😳

nimble hinge
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I don't want 95% of the Supernovas switching sides to help Luffy arc after arc.

green roost
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i would understand if that was needed just for kaido and they split up their own ways after wano

grizzled fog
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I’m sure Apoo will remain at odds with luffy, after this arc kid will, it’s possible law will split, drake may return to the marines, and Urouge is possibly on BB’s crew

fringe tide
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Hawkins buffs and debuff would be a serious help to them, i feel like drake luffy zoro killer kidd law and hawkins will fight while apoo decides to quit the beast pirates and flee but before he goes sends an attack towards kaido distracting him long enough for the others to land a fatal blow

nimble hinge
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You think every single Supernova will help fight Kaido. Even Apoo, while running away?

fringe tide
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Yeah queen made apoo a sacrifice with that vaccine stunt, so he will try to get back at the beast pirates by launching a surprise attack while fleeing, not the first time he attacked while fleeing, he attacked kizaru while running away at shabondy

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And just cause they help luffy doesnt mean theyre friends/allies after this arc they can go back to trying to kill each other

nimble hinge
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Still a tired trope/cliche. Happened in Punk Hazard. Happened in WCI. Already happened in Wano. But sure, lets do it two more times, in Wano again.

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God forbid some of the Supernovas actually held to their own ideals and actually antagonized the characters we like. Hawkins and Apoo are the only two who can even do that at this point. Considering Bonney will 100% be an ally in some regard. And Urouge gives no fucks and will at worst be a neutral party.

green roost
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well luffys whole thing is as mihawk described in marineford, his scary ability is making friends out of certain enemies etc, so dont be too surprised if it happens again

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i think itd be okay if it showd them coming together just for this one fight, but immediately after wano hostility could reopen between them all again, especially people like drake idk

nimble hinge
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I don't have an issue with Luffy turning enemies into allies. I have an issue with him turning every enemy in a subset into allies. I expect that very ability to come up if Big Mom turns into O-Lin post Elbaf (if that's how things play out)

green roost
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its not like they all like each other, theyre just realizing they have a common immediate threat

sand sail
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It's the mark of the ability

nimble hinge
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Otherwise, you could just point to that ability with every enemy. Every antagonist.

sand sail
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Pretty much yeah, everyone seems to do the same thing there

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With the best pirates being the ones who are strong and charismatic enough to do it to everyone in the world

nimble hinge
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Like Shiryu should just abandon BB if the SH's fight them, cause Shiryu doesn't care about the One Piece like BB does, and Luffy is just so charismatic and has that ability to do it.

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Some characters can just be bad guys and adversaries. That can still happen in a story with an ability like Luffy's. So when I say I prefer some variety in how the Supernovas are handled, I don't like the response that "Oh but Luffy makes everyone his ally". It's lazy and using that convenience to get to an event that you actually want (Novas all attacking Kaido)

clever pebble
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Luffy is really charismatic, not just plot, but he actually is. His past enemies know it. And he doesn't have a conflict of interest with them, later they all have common goal so I think it's fine.
Remember when Crocodile has different goal so he try to kill WB.

green roost
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i mean plenty of the main bad guys do remain antagonists, doflamingo a recent example , i just think the supernova in this arc are purposed a bit differently, like specifically to come together against kaido, but they wont remain that way

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i dont even need bonney to end up an ally, theres ways the plot can turn her into a villain who just misnunderstands shit or something

nimble hinge
clever pebble
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Shiryu is pure evil

nimble hinge
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The obvious answer is, other characters are also charismatic. BB is. Kaido is. Kaido has people lining up willing to give up their ability to swim at the chance to gain a fraction of what Zoan does. A chance of that.

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The F6 and and above, genuinely believe in him. Every character has their ideals and beliefs. Hawkins has been shown to always believe in his cards, and I don't think Oda will ever have Hawkins cards show him Luffy as the likely winner, so I want him to stick to his belief. Stick to his character.

ancient vault
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reopen it probably

nimble hinge
ancient vault
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Oh wait we werent talking about zoro? mb

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I dont think Apoo is ever switiching. He shouldnt be allowed to honestly. The alliance should refuse to take him in. Regarding hawkins idk tbh

pure raven
nimble hinge
nimble hinge
# ancient vault I dont think Apoo is ever switiching. He shouldnt be allowed to honestly. The al...

I don't think Apoo is either. I get why people want Hawkins to switch. Cause it gives that hype moment of powered up Novas against Kaido. But I don't want that if it means ruining his character for me.

Every single Supernova on the roof right now has had a moment showing how much they care about their crew and allies. How important that relationship is too them. Not one of them would ever use their allies as a sacrifice. Hawkins is not like that. I don't care if those fodder he sacrifices are part of Kaido's crew and not his. He chose to ally, and those men follow him. No other character on the roof would do what he does. And so I don't ever see Luffy partnering up with him. He has the ability to make allies, sure, but he also as the ability to know what kind of person you are. And Hawkins and Luffy fail to mix for me.

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And then there's the cards, and fortune aspect of his character. And I think his story works out better if his cards fail him when Luffy beats Kaido against the odds.

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That should be his lesson, and he can continue on in the world of One Piece from there. Maybe he can be an ally in the final war. Just don't want him as an ally in Wano, personally. If it's willing. The heart stuff, I'd settle for.

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Agreed but I don’t like apoo in general

night jewel
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Hawkins is someone who does seem to have a keen interest in Luffy, something that we saw in post MF where he expressed his surprise at the fact that Luffy is a man whose chances of survival always remains 100%. I am sure he would be willing to join luffy if the chances of victory were less for kaido, THAT would be him sticking with his beliefs too.

Its also made clear that he isn't working with kaido willingly, but thats what his cards have been telling him. Even drake teases him by saying " hey I know you want to betray kaido so now might be a good time for that", so I actually CANNOT see hawkins stay with kaido for long, I think a betrayal for him is almost 100% likely and I cannot see a better way for the betrayal to play out aside from him joining the Alliance.

sand sail
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This is literally the power of it

pure raven
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I hope they whoop hawkings ass

sand sail
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That's why they're so dangerous

nimble hinge
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Yeah, but do you think Oda is ever going to tell us that Luffy's odds of winning are higher than Kaido's before he does win? And long enough before hand, so that Hawkins actually has time to join in?

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@night jewel

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He can have hawkins join luffy and then have that fact be revealed later, we dont actually need to know Luffy's chances of victory, only hawkins needs to know that. Personally I believe it will be played out as a sorts of "chances of victory with hawkins are more than the chances of victory without hawkins", so hawkins has to choose the better side, maybe think outside of what his cards tell him, etc

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sorry had to receive a call real quick so i left halfway through typing

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Watching zoro take that attack head on reminds me of when kuma made him take luffys pain or whatever it was an he was still standing, blood everywhere. Mans always been strangely strong. Can anyone explain that thing with kuma an why kuma did it?

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No worries. But yeah. I get people wanting Hawkins to switch. It can lead to a cool moment, and it's always possible. I just prefer if it didn't happen. And if does switch, I'd prefer if he didn't go to the roof. Help out some of the other fighters below. Just a preference

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Could be Hawkins takes the worse odds on luffy and is talked into believing in him

quaint haven
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Surely zoros got some sort of demon in him from one of his swords or something

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@mortal moth hawkins is a good shout, i still think itl be bon clay😂 hes a former enemy an oda said next member will be a former enemy. Hawlins just doesnt seem like the character thatl fit in on the crew.

mortal moth
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Wait is that factual oda said that?

quaint haven
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@mortal moth im 99% sure he said it quite a while ago but i dont have a source to hand.

night jewel
# nimble hinge No worries. But yeah. I get people wanting Hawkins to switch. It can lead to a c...

I can understand that atleast, personally I think it would be a good chance to explore his character, his motives, goals and powers more by having him switch sides, idk, I can't really see that with him remaining an antagonist, I cant see him play an extensive role in the story while remaining an antagonist, but hey oda can do something with it so who knows, too early to say anything i guess

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I'd say I don't want Hawkins to switch for a cool moment, but I want him to switch so it shows Law doesn't have the actual IQ of a doorknob

grizzled fog
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Lmao

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Law letting one of the strongest people in wano go so he can come back to oppose them later

zinc iris
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hawkins was always forced to join kaido and is looking for the chance to get away, but fate reading always told him he had 0% of making it, before now
I suspect the person that has a 1% chance of surviving mentioned chapters ago is either him or luffy, where he ponders that despite the abysmal chance, that it's not 0% makes it worth taking

inland sluice
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hawkins will never join the straw hats

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possible he teams with them or maybe even joins the grand fleet but hes never joining the crew

zinc iris
inland sluice
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yeah

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and i thought the 1% chance was for queen?

zinc iris
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I don't see supernovas ever becoming subordinates of one another, but being on the same side against the old guard is pretty easy

zinc iris
inland sluice
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i just assumed because they were otp with queen at the time

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and everyone was trying to kill him

grizzled fog
weak arrow
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I at first thought he was talking about Drake for irony purposes, but now I believe he was talking about himself

zinc iris
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errant oxide
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Bruh do you guys remember the Skypiea priests survival rate? Those were hella wack

grizzled fog
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Ohm’s trial had a pretty low survival rate

dusky acorn
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Yeah, the numbers were presumably meant to represent the hierachy of strength and capability between the priests, but it's not like we ever learned how many times people went to each ordeal, so certain numbers could be skewed

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Yeah Ohm had 0% for example, but who knows maybe he just had less challengers than other 3, and the couple he did get didn't make it.

grizzled fog
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Intelligence may have also been a factor, seeing how uh...absent minded Gedatsu was

dusky acorn
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Yeah, the 50/50 percentage for Gedatsu's is pretty fitting with how flip floppy he generally was lol

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But yeah, I might be thinking too much into it, Oda probably just meant for the numbers to be taken at face value

grizzled fog
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Yea, probably meant to give similar impressions as Doriki

zinc iris
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yeah it was a relative power rank among the priests

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and anyway considering the average power of the skypiea denizen, it's credible nobody defeated ohm QueenKEKW

tired osprey
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last few arcs has just been a few higher ranked officers instead

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doffys executives, sweet generals, calamities, etc

dusky acorn
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I do appreciate the drift towards statuses and ranks as opposed to flat numbers, it feels more fluid to me at least

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And well, bounties alone already more than enough do the job for it

tired osprey
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yeah, but i think the survival rate of the priests were pretty nifty and creative

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oh, its also because most of those guys didnt have bounties either lmao

polar bison
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here’s a fun question

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what does a successor crew to the current generation/specifically the Strawhats/Luffy look like rn?

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maybe that question doesn’t make sense so i’ll give a couple of examples of characters who could fit: aisa, rebecca, reiju, carrot

grizzled fog
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Honestly the current generation is so young it’s hard to say

last current
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Hi everyone

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I made some fan theories

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Give a read and tell me what you think? Trust me, they are good haha

swift fox
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Theory:
Joyboy is a writer with four delivery men(or delivery route) and four of them represents the four road poneglyphs. Each of them has different stories. Almost all of the poneglyphs are in the hands of different races like in the mink land, wano, and fishman island(not sure where big mom got the other one). Joyboy is probably the one who made an alliance/peace treaty with minks that's why the minks are in an alliance to wano. Joyboy is probably a journalist that came from wano to make a relationship with the other races to get his story be read by them. That's why the Roger crew laughed to Joyboy's story

silent valley
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not bad

pastel summit
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I don't agree with the last part, but yeah. There's definitely significance to where the poneglyphs were sent to, and joyboy is probably responsible for which countries had poneglyphs.

pure raven
swift fox
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Give me the episode pls thanks

pure raven
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no ep but assuming every race has one and big mom has a long history with them, elbaf is the obvious answer

little kelp
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do you guys think Yamato and Carrot will join the strawhats?

dusky acorn
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Yamato is definitely joining, everything points to it. I haven't seen any real in-story argument against her besides meta reasons like "Oda wouldn't reveal a new SH so late into the arc".

little kelp
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agree

dusky acorn
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As for Carrot, things aren't look too great for her, but she can still be relevant in other areas

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Maybe joining the grand fleet and just making her own pirate crew later

white jasper
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Small theory. Enel is gonna come back

silk elbow
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Yamato=vivi for me , will help to fight kaido but wont joint the straw hat

swift fox
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Yamato will join I think and carrot will take over pedro's crew

dusky acorn
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Yamato paralleling with Vivi doesn't exactly work though, it's not as though she has a burden of responsibility for Wano like Vivi did Alabasta as the princess, 99% of the populace doesn't know who she is

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Which is one of the big reasons Vivi chose to stay back

pure raven
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who joins next hinges on the question: "will they fit better with the Straw Hats than where they currently are". With Yamato its hard to see a place for her after kaido's defeat except maybe leading the Beast Pirate remnants.

silk elbow
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But dont you think yamato could stay at wano to follow oden will « to open wano border » ?

pure raven
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Yeah its definitely possible

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Honestly it is kind of hard to see yamato with the straw hats

little kelp
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little kelp
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when I read the flashback with Ace I was like "oh, she's definitely joining them"

dusky acorn
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I think the borders may as well be opened up as a resolution to this arc, it's not something Yamato would explicitly stay back to help do alone. If Wano becomes a Straw Hat allied nation, then they would have safe reasoning to open it back up

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little kelp
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just like fishman island

dusky acorn
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Wano may have been somewhat xenophobic, but they're about to open their eyes to Luffy freeing their country once the battle reaches the capital

silk elbow
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maybe yamato will se momo like a son and stay with him? To help him rule over wano? Cuz for me oden follow roger because he could read the poneglyph. What can yamato bring to the strawhat other than man power? Robin can read those already .

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It's pretty up in the air, honestly. I could see her staying at Wano or leaving, and honestly in both situations it's hard to imagine her "fitting in well" for lack of a better word. She hasn't really met the SH crew like that (yet, at least) and even though she's been with Momo & Shinobu for a bit, it's hard to imagine what sort of role she'd fulfill at Wano too

keen portal
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By the same argument, what can she bring over to momo to help him as a shogun?

exotic echo
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Maybe if she stayed, she'd be in charge of the leftover beast pirates/ones who flipped on Kaido midway? For some sort of reparations project?

silk elbow
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Maybe

exotic echo
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Yeah, Elvaria. Was thinking the same, honestly on both ends it's hard to picture a really good fit

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We'll just have to see what gets focused on through the rest of the arc

swift fox
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Btw why did food channel get removed?

silk elbow
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After wano, what next you think? Elbaf?

swift fox
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Mariejois arc

silk elbow
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Oh yeah almost forgot

dusky acorn
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A huge reason for Yamato joining Luffy that I don't see brought up too often is her literally learning about Luffy's ultimate dream, the hidden one we don't yet know about. It only makes sense she'd be along with him to see whatever that dream is through to the end

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It's not something Yamato would have closure on seeing Luffy fulfill if she just stays at Wano anyways

little kelp
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agree

little kelp
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like I think they won't turn back to mariejois to start a war before finding the one piece imo

silk elbow
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Maybe will see dragon for a bit?

little kelp
exotic echo
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Well, I think there's plenty of set-up for Yamato, I just don't think there is enough yet. That said though, there's even less reason to assume she stays on Wano, with little to no reason to assume she wants to stay behind at all.

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What kind of focus she gets during the the rest of the climax decides it

silk elbow
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With the reverie arc and the sabo case we might see dragon , would be nice

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muted mortar
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I think there's a chance for tama and carrot to join the strawhats

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Momo has less chance cause someone needs to be in wano and as a kozuki heir he should be the one

worthy hedge
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to take over the country in order for momo to become a prodigy of the strawhats with yamato

brazen lantern
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It's obvious that big mom won't die from that (literally no one ever does) but what's the point in it, another arc of big mom 😢😢

worthy hedge
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they throw big mam in order for them to get some time alone with kaido

brazen lantern
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Could have just a 1v2 and 1v3 scenario

worthy hedge
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in order to fight them and win they have to play smart and not fuck up their stamina

grizzled fog
brazen lantern
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I get the point but no one wants another big mom arc😂

worthy hedge
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dont think there is going to be a side sotry for big mam

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propably she is going to be rescuedby her ship

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by her

brazen lantern
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Considering the fact that she was willing to kill kaido just to kill luffy, I'd say as long as luffy is alive she won't stop like ace & bb

worthy hedge
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propably but also there is still the posibility for big mam to back stab kaido and take the red poneglyphs

brazen lantern
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Imagine this kaido casually Flys down and grabs big mom and brings her back 😂😂

warm plank
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Can’t wait for the big backstory of Kaido.

wide atlas
pure raven
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who do yall think will be the new strawhat

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ppl be wilding and say smoker i dont really know

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but idk ab yamato she is a pretty good character considering shes kaido's son

clever pecan
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Probably Yamato

calm pond
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After watching the latest episode I had a thought about whether the road poneglyphs were distributed to different races and associated with the ancient civilization that was against the wg so

Humans: wano
Minks: zou
Fishmen: fmi

So this gave me the idea that the one we haven't heard about is with the giants in elbaf, all these groups aren't associated with the wg (or atleast not back then)

I'm not sure if this has been considered before and is the reason why people keep saying the last one is in elbaf I just haven't heard someone present it in this way

This would also have to mean that the poneglyph that bm has came from the giants and she stole it from them. One way to still have the last poneglyph on elbaf is just to say that maybe bm gave the giants the red poneglyph that was in fmi once she took over as reconciliation for the lola stuff, or another way to improve relations but this is baseless and convoluted and is just here to explain the theory.

Let me know if I've missed anything or made a mistake this is just a quick thought that came to me

cyan sand
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that's really likely, dont see any reason why big mum would not take the poneglyph, especially if the marriage was messed up

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things like that are headcanon but also make enough sense that it's almost not even a theory, like if buggy was getting publicly executed with advance in the news shanks would probably show up to help him out

muted ember
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I think they should've used to the grandline, but ending 1 really gave me the chills (During Laughtale reveal)

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also not voice acting the laughing, is kind of interesting

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interesting*
not sure why they didn't do that

pure raven
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i wish we could at least have a glimpse of what the one piece is

foggy grotto
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No chance

pure raven
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cuz im watching the new ep rn and its all blurred so we cant see what it is :(

foggy grotto
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It needs to be a complete mystery so we are suprised enough

pure raven
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but ion really think its like money and shit it will have alot of those but its mostly gonna be ab the history of the op world what happened the past 800 years the D family the ancient kingdom and the world government

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and it also might have a an ancient weapon

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@foggy grotto what do u think the one piece is?

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i want them to like after we know everything like the one piece and luffy becoming pirate king and the series ending

foggy grotto
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A poneglyph probably along with actual treasure and some other plot twist items

pure raven
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i want them to have a spinoff series of rogers FULL advernture

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and ofc his backstory

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i also really wanna know what makes akainu hate pirates so much and have that sense of justice that no pirate should live even though he knows luffy isnt evil at all

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ion like this 15 sec slowmode :(

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its a good theory but why would wb say that being the freest man in the world be childish and there really isnt a reason for them to cut it off yk?

sand onyx
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Has anyone ever had a theory that the unnamed 10th titanic captain is green bull

errant oxide
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That would be meh

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Bring back someone like Gin

muted ember
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yea I figured they wouldn't show a thing, just like in the manga. Perfection really. Not even showing the shapes / nature of the island,.

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Hell even the background. Literally, could have not done it any bette.

ionic sorrel
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I wonder the last battle of luffy would be against IM from that empty throne

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Who could it be hmmmm

sacred adder
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The one piece will probably be all a copy of the polnyglyphs making up the void century

worn spoke
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|| When kaido says he has a life debt with Big Mom, we can think that if a monster like kaido (wich is atm the strongest creature in the world) says that is a life debt, is probably because somehow big mom made him inmortal wich would explain why he can't even suicide || I'm on chapter 986 of the manga btw

dark palm
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You don’t have to spoiler tag here

worn spoke
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Just to make sure

dark palm
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And uh... you might get spoiled

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This channel allows for discussion up to the current chapter

worn spoke
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I know, but this is something I read from a extern site, not from this channel so dw

kind gate
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Someone here might unknowingly answer your question

worn spoke
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how did you get straw hat crew role? It doesn't let me get it (ty for the advice btw)

dark palm
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Start from the top of the channel

sturdy hawk
queen arrow
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don't get me started on how wrong that theory is, I'm giving it a pass because he's not caught up

kind gate
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Lmfao

cedar hazel
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i wonder, orochi is dead? confirmed?

queen arrow
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no

cedar sinew
dim herald
shrewd dune
pure raven
worn spoke
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Btw for the theorie that says that Brook is joy boy, how Do you explain that he knows laboon and Crocus When he was alive?

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Like he has been alive for 800 Years without the skeleton form?

kind gate
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800??????

worn spoke
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If hes joy boy around 800 yes

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Maybe 700

acoustic helm
kind gate
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how did he come up with brook who was shown in the story to only be revived once to be joyboy
brook doesn't lose his memories or something when he's revived so why would he?

acoustic helm
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I don't know

kind gate
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nah

acoustic helm
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It was direct hit

kind gate
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yh but i assume he would be blocking
I doubt luffy ever goes down

zinc iris
pure raven
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I'm in Baratie and Nami just stolen the merry and their treasure, I think she betrayed the straw hats.

We saw her clenching the wanted poster of someone called 'Arlong' She might have some history with him, and we also know her dream is to collect 100 million berries

But since she was looking at the poster with hatred, maybe he pillaged her home village. So most likely she wants to buy the village so Arlong stops terrorizing it.

I'm going to complete to the next arc which will probably be Arlong arc to see if my theory is correct

acoustic helm
acoustic helm
zinc iris
acoustic helm
pure raven
kind gate
pure raven
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waaat i thought i need to be caught up only for #manga and #also-manga ok guess i'll talk there

kind gate
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no this place is included
Good luck with the series

sturdy hawk
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This is a channel that goes with #manga UsoppSus

shrewd dune
queen arrow
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no

pure raven
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What would someone be capable of doing with the Kamen Kamen no Mi (Mask Mask Fruit)?

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I say imprison a finite number of people in masks and wear them as they please
The stronger the will of the person, the less wearable time

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on accident sorry

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f.e. Wearing Kaido is at least 5 hours versus wearing an East Blue Marine being up to six months.
yes or no?

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I can’t follow your train of thought

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what would be the strength of the Mask Mask Fruit?

gloomy latch
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I take it that egg is now at laughtale?

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Wonder what's in it

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Maybe that's the one piece haha jk

slim vale
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Alright here’s my theory on where big mom’s gonna land. It’s revealed she didn’t land in ocean, and in a method of showing how close onigashima is to the capital, she lands in Eibisu Town. She wants to get to the battlefield as soon as possible so tries to make homies out of eibisu town’s souls. But none of the citizens are scared of her because everyone thinks she is o-Lin

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Idk where it would go from there, but I feel like it’s a fun consequence for O-Lin that isn’t just bring O-Lin back to the story

fringe tide
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Obviously she lands on her head again and becomes O-Lin, crumbs of the floating island fall onto the people of wano and a pisses off bm destroys the island confusing everyone fighting

gloomy latch
# slim vale Idk where it would go from there, but I feel like it’s a fun consequence for O-L...

Why am I thinking that after Big Mom can't take the souls, she's craving food but there is none either she. A. goes and starts killing them all, B. realises that no one should be without food and becomes good. not that one lol, or C. She goes on a rampage for food and eats a leftover smile. doubt a devil fruit user could eat a artificial fruit or would that be like eating 2 normal ones. I'm gonna go with A or the answer above lol

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Apparently the smiles taste good don't they?

fringe tide
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So anyone believe uranus to be the ultimate shield? Like shirohoshi is the ultimate leader controlling the giant sea king, pluton is the ultimate weapon. And on laughtale there is a hidden last resort type of device that was created by the lost kindom that fuses the three great weapon creating “Zeus” the ultimate creature

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And when zeus is created its goes out of control cause shirahoshi is still weak leaving the shs to fight her weakening zeus enough for shirohoshi take control over her body again except now she has the power of pluton/uranus which she uses to destroy the redline while luffy is on fmi destroying it so the residents escape before being crushed by the debris of the redline

gloomy latch
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uhh

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Na don't see that happening ever lol

lyric dust
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oda would never resort to writing that bad

exotic echo
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That's a very specific scenario. Maybe the ultimate shield thing could be possible, but the rest seems like pretty baseless conjecture

lunar whale
fringe tide
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So itd be like mr 2’s power?

pure raven
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A bit but the victim is imprisoned in a mask form

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If Luffy and Hancock had a child would the name be Boa Xianghua, Boa D. Xianghua, or Monkey D. Xianghua. Name is random BTW

craggy pumice
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Is it, huh?

pure raven
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Xianghua actually means fragrant flower

gloomy latch
maiden wagon
dusky acorn
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Not only Big Mom, but I'm fairly certain Zoro, Kid and everyone else believes the ocean was still under them when coming up with the plan in the first place.

Law, after sending Big Mom down said that took care of 1/2 of them, which wouldn't really make much sense if he just believes her to be flying down to a town in Wano. He would know she would easily survive the fall and just come back at them the same way once they too return to land. So yeah, pretty apparent her fall to the ocean is what's happening here given the context

nimble hinge
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Chasing after the island is not easy. How long did it take BM to get to the prison from the west coast? And that was while riding something.

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Land or water they have taken care of BM from their perspective. Now they can focus on Kaido

dusky acorn
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It still doesn't take care of the underlying problem for the long-term though, so it should matter. Dropping Big Mom to land is merely prolonging her presence to come back, and just asking for her to easily sweep them up afterwards once the current battle is over.

Even if she was way back in Ebisu as another person theorised, it only took a day or so to traverse to Udon. If we're to assume her return would take a days worth of travel again, then that's clearly not enough time for everyone to heal up enough to fight a whole other Yonko afterwards.

sand sail
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Given how close they seemed to be to the capitol when we saw the mountain to it, I imagine wherever she fell can't be that far

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But having said that as well, she can just create a homie for quick travel out of even just a rock if she wanted

tropic cape
unique flare
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I have this theory that shanks is set up to die, This might be obvious but imma send it anyway
Zoro Is set up to become the worlds strongest swordsman right?
And the current worlds strongest swordsman Is mihawk?

mellow silo
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She does supposedly fall over the sea tho so...

unique flare
# unique flare I have this theory that shanks is set up to die, This might be obvious but imma ...

That got me thinking Why is mihawk the worlds strongest?
It would make more sense for the yonko swordsman to be the strongest.
Unless that yonko swordsman is gonna die at the hands of someone other than zoro before they meet.
That person being BB?
It would make sense for that person to be BB because Rn The straw hats have Little motivation to fight him
I mean sure BB Started The marineford war Which resulted in the death of luffy's brother but It wasn't actually BB who killed ace
It was akainu, Luffy witnessed it.
BB is set up to be the final Enemy and sure he Has done some terrible deeds but for the final Enemy would have to be by luffy A large amount
Killing his "father"(Not really his father but their relationship is similar) would give luffy enough motivation to start an all out war with BB.
If BB ends up killing shanks then Zoro wouldn't have a chance to actually gain his greatest swordsman title.
I mean sure He'd be the strongest swordsman of that era but he wouldn't have actually gained that role.
Idk This is the first theory i've sent here gtg

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Probably filled with inaccuracies Idk

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sorry that it's split messaged

tawdry bramble
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Let’s be honest. Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman because originally the warlords were the end game. When Oda added Yonkou he added a small plot hole that he will wordsmith his way out of eventually.

kindred flint
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I thought the yonkou were originally supposed to be the end game but he thought of warlords

tawdry bramble
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It drives me nuts when people don’t take into account Oda progressing and evolving the story over time.

sand sail
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The Emperors were the endgame, the warlords are what were added in to lengthen the series

odd lichen
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we will find out who is the mysterious char that helped nine Scabbards soon in the recent manga. bc Oda possibly will drop huge hints in anime Episode 969 & 970