manga-theories

[sturdy hawk]

No, doesn't work because of oden's swords. Also, Oden's dialogue implies he didn't just come here, which proves he didnt travel to the future

[lunar shell]

@woeful coral ? its the teapot that eat the tanuki fruit, what are you saying ?

maybe read about what a yokai mujina is

[vital falcon]

Oden from before Kaido's battle. If it were someone else then why not clone the 3 swords?

[woeful coral]

are you aware of what you're proposing or are you talking out of your ass? bunbuku is a teapot

[lunar shell]

I understand that

but a mujina MIMIC human, like some bird in the real world...

u dont actually need to be smart, its what you do, you mimic them

[woeful coral]

sure, so you're assuming this teapot/animal hybrid magically gets the intelligence of a human being

[lunar shell]

y well, its a manga, it wouldnt be out of place

[woeful coral]

you could use the "its a manga" defense to literally anything

[lunar shell]

beside, Chopper is smart like a human, and he is a reiner, so what you say doesnt work

[woeful coral]

intelligence wasn't outside that of an average dog iirc

[dusky acorn]

That's a good point, the tanuki is merely supposed to be a pet, so I don't think it eating the fruit would give it human intelligence

To be able to talk as Oden

[woeful coral]

it doesn't make sense for it to "magically" get human intelligence, despite being a teapot that ate a fruit of an animal

[lunar shell]

isnt onimaru a dog ?

[pure raven]

lmao and ppl think toki time travel is not possible, but this man thinks a damn teapot will help the scabbards he is transcending reality i cannot argue

[dusky acorn]

Well we don't know what exactly Onimaru originally was

He could have been born a fox, or had some fox fruit, but either way his design alone looks more intricate than your average fox

[woeful coral]

onimaru is a komagitsune

[lunar shell]

k so a komagitsune can be smart like a human, but not a tanuki, it that it ?

[woeful coral]

we don't know if onimaru is a devil fruit eater or just some mythical creature, so you can't rlly compare the two

[vital falcon]

he collected all the swords and fought Zoro so why can't it be him/it?

[lunar shell]

give me a break, all mythical creature so far are from devil fruit

[errant nova]

Zoro could’ve beat him tho

[dusky acorn]

Not really, I mean there's precedence for even live dragons having existed in OP

[lunar shell]

I know... I mean those we've seen in the present obv

[vital falcon]

of course. it's not like he's fighting or anything

[dusky acorn]

Well if this is supposed to be Onimaru the assumption is he will be fighting, and that's another reason he'd have chosen Oden of all people

[lunar shell]

anyway I guess a mujina who's actual purpose is to pretend to be human can't be, but a fox no problem.

[dusky acorn]

I'm sure he'd want to help fight in the war, and playing out as Oden gives him leverage to do so

[lunar shell]

I guess we just dont share the same logic

[woven pilot]

Oden: You've all aged quite a bit

Scabbards that are a few months older than before:

[vital falcon]

could be Oden from before Kaido's battle (in the past)

[lilac fractal]

What if kanjuro is still alive and painted oden?

[errant nova]

He’s virtually dead. No way

[alpine hill]

He could be referring to certain scabbards

[lilac fractal]

Or is that what Oda wanted us to think 🤔

[woeful coral]

why would any of kanjuro's drawing hesitate in just cutting all of them down

and if it was the drawing, who was the first silhouette

[errant nova]

^^ facts

[vital falcon]

because he was loyal to Orochi who is dead. but what surprises me is why Kanjuro didn't draw Oden's true swords

[manic relic]

Zoro was lost

[errant nova]

Why would he clone him w/ a goatee

[woeful coral]

does kanjuro know orochi is dead? would kanjuro just switch sides because of it? is kanjuro even alive?

[manic relic]

😂😂

[woeful coral]

there are too many assumptions being made

[lunar shell]

why would Kanjuro draw a crying hiyori / toki while all scarab are uncounscious

[alpine hill]

I honestly think Kanjuro swapping sides is ridiculous, why would he change now when he had not changed his entire time with Oden

[lilac fractal]

Guilt

[alpine hill]

Why would he not feel guilt for the past 30 years

[woeful coral]

i said i thought the kanjuro theory was the worst, but after that morj video i change my mind, the teapot theory is the worst of the bunch

[alpine hill]

That teapot theory is awful

[lunar shell]

nothing change from now and the last time he could have showed guilt, so if its the reason, its cheap as fuck

[alpine hill]

Seriously, even orochi is more likely to feel guilt than kanjuro

[lyric dust]

Kanjuro having a change of heart again seems pretty corny and stupid, but I actually would really like to see it

[woeful coral]

it also makes zero sense character wise, but then again pound living also made little sense

[tough lava]

Can’t be oden, 20 years has pass unless....

[alpine hill]

I do think Oda will actually pull that unthinkable

I get the odd feeling that oda is trying to trick trick people

[tough lava]

Maybe is oden’s daughter

[pure raven]

[tough lava]

Nah that’s dumb (my comment)

I just hate having to wait 14 days to “know”

[hollow axle]

the onimaru one makes sense the bon clay one does not

[woeful coral]

we are in day 0 of this "who is this oden" fiasco, it will only get worse as time goes on

[alpine hill]

I think it is hilarious, reminds me of the IM theory period and also Kaido introduction theories

[tough lava]

Ohhhh I just checked the pins, brb

[alpine hill]

Ok that Hitetsu theory is 👌

[hollow axle]

hyori is the silhouette onimarwu is oden the sword he has looks like the one in the background of zoro on the bridge and it makes sense she said she didnt want to get involved directly so she uses onimarwu

[tawdry wasp]

i think luffys awakening may allow him to negate any physical damage

like even from armament

the reason i think this is black beard

if were gonna have to stop earthquakes

[hollow axle]

maybe robins will let her create a bunch of clones and giant clones or let her make other peoples body parts

[tawdry wasp]

if its the latter option then her and franky are gonna have some crazy combo moves

but this is something i think of alot and wonder why she never does it

[hollow axle]

she could make zoro actually have 3 heads and 9 arms

[tawdry wasp]

why doesent she get a gun and just fire it 1000 times

she can clearly recreate stuff on her so why not just infinigun somebody

unless the ammo is shared but even then

franky can make lazers that have no ammo

so itd be hideously broken

[hollow axle]

if she became a swords woman she would be jumping towards but already two clone and five arms about to stab you

[tawdry wasp]

no matter what she uses shes best suited for killing and being an assassin

thats for sure

[hollow axle]

yeah she can make multiple clones and teleport then just break your neck pretty sneaky and your body isnt there just some flowers

[pure raven]

Wait you mean we’ll be on this cliffhanger for 14 days

[craggy pumice]

why is there always a cruel cliffhanger like this before a break

[lilac fractal]

So what’s this teapot theory I hear people talking about

[round summit]

What ever happened to that witch orochi met? since the silhouette looked more like Toki or Hiyori could it be that Hiyori got that df ?

[weak arrow]

Kaido killed her

and the devil fruit is the one bon clay currently has, so no

[pure raven]

Yep she ded

[solar stone]

Wait so oden is alive huh?

[weak arrow]

probably not

[fresh gale]

I think the best bet is that it’s Onimaru disguised as Oden

Onimaru is the small “dog” from Kawamatsu’s flashback in case you don’t remember well

[pure raven]

Naw, aint no way

Now with roger i think he lived passed his exucution and just died to his disease.

[warped wagon]

Hitetsu and tama have a teapot which has the Tanuki df and the chapter is called tanuki-san so maybe the oden we saw was the tanuki teapot (in japanese mythology tanuki has also the ability of Transformation and shape shifting)

About that, I wonder how did they do this
The only objects with dfs were done by Vegapunk or not?

[kind gate]

same

[pure raven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164996746429202432/819633849243140106/odens_alive.gif

[bitter flower]

im pretty sure we got all the silly theories out of the way.. what else can you possibly think of lmao

I can see orochi drawing that to mess with the scabbards, I really doubt he had a change of heart after years of deception

[sick valve]

it actually is the real oden

there's a time distortion that forced him into the current time line as a result of Toki abusing her DF powers, destorying the time continuum

Oden appearing is proof the Straw Hats are about to get warped to the void century and find out what happened first hand

but for real I think it's either the fox that was collecting the weapons or Kanjuro, it can't be anything or anyone else

[dark palm]

steamroll you just ruined my day for a second

[sick valve]

I'm so sorry

[bitter flower]

Tbh Bon Clay is more likely than Oden reviving lol

and that is very unlikely ofc. I like the pot theory tho

eh, i guess that makes sense

[warped wagon]

Kanjuro beat the shit out of Momo and nearly killed him..
And he always played his Role, there is no Kanjuro who could come back because he finished his Job

[grizzled igloo]

nope....i know who it actuallyis....it's Tama's tea pot which ate the "dog-dog fruit-model Tanuki"...and according to japanese mythology tanukis can shapeshift...moreover the chapter is also named Tanuki san...for both chopper and the tea pot

[warped wagon]

Him coming back and becoming a "good" would be horrible writing imo

[warped wagon]

Only question is, why is it on Onigashima😂

[dark palm]

that's for a mythical tanuki...

this is just a normal tanuki zoan

[warped wagon]

But yeah, I like this theory still more than "Its the real Oden" or "Its Kanjuros drawing"

[grizzled igloo]

must have hitched a ride with tama

[grizzled igloo]

he wud atleast have some scars on his legs from the boiling

[warped wagon]

If he wanted to Switch sites he should have let him escape or something
And his role is finished
His role was it to Trick the scabbards and to bring Momo to Orochi, and he did all of this

Dont forget, this whole raid has the aim to finish off Kaido and make Momo the new Shogun
But with some bad luck, this Momo could be dead now, ONLY because of Kanjuro playing his role
There is no good reason to bring him back and let him Switch sides

Its like saying Akainu becomes a strawhat 😂

[warped wagon]

Additionally look at the clothes
Its the Daimyo Kuri oden not the adventure oden
Only guys from Wano know him in this look and only Tanuki teapot and Onimaru maybe dont know that Oden was defeated wearing different clothes

[errant nova]

Don’t puss out we’re all shit talkin

[warped wagon]

I am just saying my opinion😂
And I am absolutely no Fan of Kanjuro becoming an ally After all the shit he did😅

I dont think Oda will pull put more timetravel stuff

HE managed it pretty good with Toki fruit only able to Jump into Future avoiding paradoxa

[errant nova]

I mean considering it’s most likely Onimaru… those poor fucking scabbards that’s so mean lol

[warped wagon]

Everything is possible 😂
But I dont see this happen cause it would make many thing very difficult

[warped wagon]

Yeah but its not his Fault, noone called him to the excecution, like it seems xD
But yeah youre right, poor scabbards
Kinemon even has tears

I mean because of the clothes, its most likely Onimaru (or teapot tanuki lol)
Kanjuro, Devon and the real Oden would wear the "adventure Clothes" lol

[errant nova]

Also I’m thinking the goatee is a hint that it’s Onimaru

[quaint shoal]

Sabo is tha father of Makinos kid, change my mind

[ivory coyote]

It is just a theory these kinds of thing always happens in time travel-related movies and web series.

Let's suppose there is a possibility that Toki's power can send people back to the past but as we read in the manga it is mentioned that no one heard if that is possible oden came to the future for a certain amount of time to help open wano's borders and then goes back and dies as a hero he is supposed to and toki made the prophecy to because she got to know everything about it from oden in the letter oden gave her.

[stark otter]

I don't think it's Catarina Devon bc Wano would turn into even more of a mess if any of the Blackbeard pirates were there

some ppl are lol

[dark palm]

please be serious in here ;)

[stark otter]

on another server someone was convinced it was her so u never know lol

[dark palm]

discussion in this channel should be held under the pretense that everyone is serious

there are many who do legitimately believe it's Devon, for some reason

[ivory coyote]

Just think why would oda make the mystery about time fruit power that it is unheard of someone travelling back to past maybe because it might have happened in the void century and when oden went to laugh tale he gets to know about the previous time fruit user and his/her power of travelling back or going to the future and coming back to the present which is why maybe it is unheard of.

[plush pike]

The Onimaru theory just doesn't sit right with me, because why would Onimaru pretend to be Oden of all people? Just to inspire them before disappearing into a puff of smoke? I see Oden's appearance in the story so late in the raid on Onigashima as such a huge plot point, that I honestly doubt it's just going to be a situation where Oden shows up, talks to the Scabbards and then disappears. And we know Jack is heading in their direction. If their previous daimyo is just going to disappear on them when they are wounded and need his help, isn't that going to cut their morale rather than inspire them?

Secondly, Onimaru has only been shown to have the ability to transform into Gyukimaru, nothing else. I'm not saying it's impossible he can transform into other forms, but that's not something we can know, and single-form shapeshifting, as you might imagine, is actually extremely common in the One Piece universe.

[polar bison]

my friend actually presented an argument that Devon is likely tied to Wano in some way

[dark palm]

not necessarily to inspire them

but to keep them still so they don't charge out into the battle and incur more wounds

likely leading to their deaths

they feel they haven't done enough in the combat

even kin said "I don't know how I'd be able to face Oden in the afterlife"

and what is it, toshi?

[plush pike]

And he chose the form of Oden, the man least likely to actually tell them to sit still and do nothing?

[dark palm]

the only man they'll listen to

BECAUSE of that

[plush pike]

[dark palm]

they're not sitting still and doing nothing

they're guaranteeing their own lives

Oden was a kind person, he wouldn't want them to go out and kill themselves for some sense of honor

he ALSO didn't give a shit about samurai traditions

[plush pike]

Oh I agree, but this is like as high as the stakes go.

If they fail this raid, they won't get another chance.

I refuse to believe that the scabbards will be sidelined here even with Oden's words.

[dark palm]

then sit and recuperate for as long as they can, have faith in the allies they trusted already, and guarantee the future of wano after the battle

and who knows if it'll work?

it'll probably all get thrown into chaos in a bit anyways by jack

but this is something Hiyori might scheme up in a last ditch effort to make them stay inside

since she was presumably the one who treated them

[plush pike]

True, it could just be a poor attempt to keep them healing, I just see it as a very weak plot point to throw Oden's face into the end of a chapter.

[dark palm]

but it would still make them think about their vows

[plush pike]

Maybe I just want the moon from every plot point, but it just seems like since it's Oden being utilized here, it should be more significant than a ruse to keep them healing.

[dark palm]

I will say this

I don't think I'm actually correct in what I'm saying right now

but it's more feasible than anything I've heard

[plush pike]

Yeah of course not, we're discussing the arguments for it.

[dark palm]

it's still my general take on the situation though

and I think there is some significance besides that

[neon hedge]

What happened to Oden's body? do we know?

[dark palm]

that we might not be privy to

[polar bison]

my friend presented arguments for devon that I found interesting if not straight up compelling:

• her original design was a female ninja named Kitsune that’s still carried over into her devil fruit, thereby suggesting she was originally supposed to have a Wano aesthetic before getting changed to a Blackbeard pirate aesthetic

and also her title, crescent moon hunter. the kozuki crest is a crescent moon. perhaps her past has something to do with them.

considering that’s all we know of her, that’s all we can rlly say atm, but we do know she was reintroduced during wano’s arc and with Moria, and if her past is indeed

one could also maybe argue her motive is she’s attempting to get them up to kill kaidou in order to steal his fruit.

that said I still don’t think it’s her, for the Goatee reason and also that I think it’s too early for the BB pirates to make an appearance. I think BB is way more the type of guy to go target Totto Land rn than target Wano, same way he hit Impel Down first.

I could see catarina devon coming to wano w moria, but i’d still expect it 30-60 chapters ahead, not now.

[dark palm]

if it is truly hiyori conveying the message

not only that Toshiro, but Devon coinciding with Jack would be a bit too much of a clusterfuck

also, THIS is the crest

[plush pike]

I mean, Blackbeard is the type of guy that would arrive late and take the spotlight in the center stage of a major conflict.

[dark palm]

people loyal to the kozukis have the moon

this sorta seems to imply something else

than heading straight to wano

[plush pike]

Yeah, I think it implies he's going to Alabasta, given what we know about the aftermath of the Reverie.

I think it's a race for the Pluton at this point, because nothing else could raise the stakes so considerably IMO.

[ivory coyote]

It is just a theory these kinds of thing always happens in time travel-related movies and web series.

Let's suppose there is a possibility that Toki's power can send people back to the past but as we read in the manga it is mentioned that no one heard if that is possible oden came to the future for a certain amount of time to help open wano's borders and then goes back and dies as a hero he is supposed to and toki made the prophecy to because she got to know everything about it from oden in the letter oden gave her.

[plush pike]

Maybe finding Pluton was the reason they felt confident enough to abolish the 7 warlords system.

[amber oar]

Nah, very explicitly they are relying on the SSG

[polar bison]

i’ve seen so many different translations for this panel it gives me a headache

regardless of it, I think moria’s existence in the story points towards bb sending him to wano eventually

[plush pike]

Ah yes you're right it's SSG.

[ivory coyote]

SSG might have figured how to stop the devil fruit user permanently With science

[plush pike]

That, or they did something with the pacifistas to make them much stronger, and then created a fleet of them. Though if that were the case, I think maybe we should have seen them when Coby went for Boa Hancock.

Also, it doesn't explain why they would challenge Mihawk in the same way they're challenging the other warlords, since he doesn't have a devil fruit.

[nova agate]

they had to have sent someone strong there

[plush pike]

Only an admiral would be strong enough if they didn't use that invention (that presumably stop devil fruit users permanently).

Plus, I think the WG and Navy is more like the pro-devil fruit side, so I don't know how much I like that theory.

If you noticed, the only full crews unconfirmed to have any devil fruits is Gol D. Roger's crew and Shanks' crew. Buggy got a devil fruit yes, but not voluntarily.

[dark palm]

this one is the best one, btw

it's the volume release one

[ivory coyote]

But right now in the story, every pirate crew has devil fruit powers big mom kaidou black beard and all the supernovas.

[dusky acorn]

Just gonna say I don't think it's Devon either, but I still find it interesting how Oda chose to reintroduce Shiryu and Devon out of all people with their new fruits during this Wano Arc, almost as if they're the two Captains he's most shortly planning on playing a role, hence needed to give their fruits proper set-up right there.

It's also quite convenient how they're the two members of Blackbeard's group who are widely speculated to have some future role/past connection in Wano respectively.
As stated for Devon, it's because of her fruit and original concept, while for Shiryu "of the Rain" it's because he has an epithet reminiscent of Wano, and even speaks exactly like a samurai using a certain phrase during his introduction.

[bright trench]

Translation: "I can't stop shaking. Bring the Kozuki samurai death body. Why can't we find them?"

[dark palm]

he's talking about the scabbards

[plush pike]

Not Shanks' crew.

[ivory coyote]

But mostly except shanks has the devil fruit powers to there advantAge on world government

[plush pike]

Shanks was part of Roger's crew. Buggy got his devil fruit accidentally.

[nova agate]

if he's alive he's going to get spooked when he sees oden

[bright trench]

It says: the Kozuki Samurai. Not the Samurais

[dark palm]

the plural of samurai is samurai

[plush pike]

It might just be a coincidence, after all, none on Roger's crew have confirmed devil fruits even before Laugh Tale. But what if part of the revelation about devil fruits is that they were created through some evil ritual that trapped the souls of the ancient kingdom inside them?

[dark palm]

@bright trench

[bright trench]

It includes Oden, fam

[junior cape]

Ok since Oda is apparently the king of subverted expectations now, if that's REALLY the real Oden, then Orochi coming back is incredibly likely. Dude's got like 9 heads after all.

What I dont get is how he's alive. He got boiled and shot in the head.

[plush pike]

Oh I agree. We still need to see what Fukurokuju is up to

[ivory coyote]

Well we are saying that way before we see oden 🤣

[junior cape]

True, I guess it could be someone like Kanjuro playing a bit.

At the end of the day, it may also just be a hallucination from the pain

We dont know, we need some one outside that group to confirm reality

[sly mulch]

I still have a problem accepting that Toko is is the daughter of Yasuie

Yasuie and Toko might had similar relationship like Kinemon and momounske had at the beginning of their introduction

[plush pike]

Why? Otoko literally says she is Yasuie's daughter and he is her father, and he carried her around as a child like a father would. What would lead you to believe they're not really father and daugther?

[magic current]

moria also had a big past in wano

[sly mulch]

The timeline just doesn’t make sense

[plush pike]

Huh?

[magic current]

his whole backstory with his crew getting destroyed was all cause he got clapped by kaido

[plush pike]

Okay I guess that went nowhere. In any case, I don't see any reason why Yasuie is not the true father of Otoko until someone makes a good case for it.

[ivory coyote]

He came to fight kaidou and in that time period used his time to stole as mAny graves possible

[gilded wagon]

I mean, the last we saw the scabbards, they were getting help from a mystery (Hiyori) woman, and then in a poof of smoke, much like when Onimaru transforms, oden appears

[junior cape]

I guess well know if it's the real Oden if Jack gets fucking blasted by him

[sacred hawk]

I just realized. Now that the ice oni has been taken care of, the remaining numbers can safely be called to the live floor

Meaning that they'll probably make an appearance soon. And since most of the fodder are defecting to the alliance, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers become allies as well if Apoo decides to defect

[formal quest]

I don't think the alliance gonna have Apoo....I mean they won't accept him

[dusky acorn]

The Ice Oni being cured doesn't have much bearing on Apoo's possible defection, nor would it motivate him. It would be one thing if he was infected by the virus first-hand, but there wasn't that going for him.
Hyogoro may have looked plenty strong to him, but on the whole the fight is still in the Beast Pirates favour. It wouldn't be wise for Apoo to turn tail for what still appears to be the losing side, and only on a mere chance of them accepting him at that.

[sacred hawk]

But at this point, Queen will be trying to kill him

[dark palm]

yup

make apoo his OWN faction

controlling the last 5 numbers

that'd be dope for him and a proper way to introduce them

[ancient vault]

I hope he dies

[dusky acorn]

Derp, basically the way I percieved Apoo's character arc and the avenues he had is that he already missed a vital window to turn over a new leaf in an emphatic manner for the reader, with a potential plot-line of him being infected by the virus of his very bro, Queen.
If he already missed his chance on that kind of development which would have worked quite well even to me, then there's even less chance of him getting a defection later on.
Basically any kind of possible defection that comes after the whole Ice Oni plot-line would be a mere spur of the moment decision by Apoo, which wouldn't really give your average reader a moment to connect with him

If Apoo switches sides merely on the thought of picking the winning horse, that might make people actually dislike him more, since it hammers in a trend of his character being pretty much a coward

It's more respectable if he stays on the side he started with

[ancient vault]

Well thats what he kinda is :D

I just cant stand the fact that he most likely gets to stay alive and Oda wont let Kid or his crew kill him even after everything he has done to them. I dont believe that that one slam in 980 was really enough for his actions

[grizzled fog]

I agree, Apoo has been cucked by every side in this war, I’d rather he not affiliate with either. Tho if that happens I feel like he’ll just run for his life

[bitter flower]

speaking of death, it doesn't look good for killer lol

unless they find a cure for the smiles, I doubt he'll stay alive

[ancient vault]

What does the smile has to do with anything?

[grizzled fog]

Killer is not dying

[cyan berry]

Smile fruits arent lethal

[dusky acorn]

I still have not seen a single hint towards Killer dying in this arc, nor has anything really stood out as him being a liability to justify his death in this rooftop fight.
He's holding his own just as much as the other 4, if not more than Zoro and Luffy as we last saw. Zoro and Luffy are the real fighters who are handicapped rn lol

The most I've seen is speculation that "It would be character development for Kid", but more like it would be a waste of future development. Imagine giving Kid a future plot-line with Shanks and not allowing the brains of his crew and partner to be their for their next facing of Shanks

[ancient vault]

Isnt Morj waiting for Killers death so he can release a Kid theory?

[green roost]

i have a predicition i dont know if it counts as a theory, but i think all the tobi roppo will eventually turn against kaido, theres a pattern of bad guys turning to the good guys side in this raid alone, tama is getting some, chopper is getting some, and we even already have 1 tobi roppo on the allies side, x drake. i think this is like a slow building wave, and were gonna see people like sasaki turn, and Who's who has already been looking suspicious possibly wanting to fight a calamity. itll end on who's who turning as the last tobi roppo to do so

[dusky acorn]

Morj wrote a theory way back during the time Reverie was going on, and he only now recently brought it back up because he wasn't expecting Killer to be a part of the rooftop fight iirc

But now that he is, Morj thinks it's more 'proof' for his theory, even though it goes against Oden's words also

[ancient vault]

Idk if I would like if everyone just transfers at that point. We've seen Ulti and Page1 are very loyal to Kaido

[pure raven]

Kid is the next big pirate and contender to pirate king and yonko
He aint dying easily

[green roost]

additonally, cp0 playing Go supports this, the function of the game is to turn the enemy's color your color

[ancient vault]

Its not about Kid dying but killer belik

[green roost]

they might be the hardest to turn, but a good shaking of their faith will make them turn tail

[ancient vault]

He expected Killer to be dead when KId was in the prison I think

[green roost]

like seeing kaido down and bleeding

[dusky acorn]

Oh right, I think he thought Kaido had him killed or something

[ancient vault]

Sure earl but is that really what you want?

[dusky acorn]

Killing a WG member offscreen? Even worse lol

[green roost]

yes because theyre not going to beat kaido anyway unless they have more

[ancient vault]

[ancient vault]

Woulnt have a problem if it apoo

[green roost]

theyre gonna need any help they can get, and the pattern is already arising, cp0 playing Go adds to it as well

[ancient vault]

so raid fails

[green roost]

nope exact opposite >:) huge tidal wave of opposition against kaido

[ancient vault]

Also are they really any help even?

[green roost]

the roppo? they could be as a group with the allies, u never know

[ancient vault]

Luffy could oneshot both Page1 and Ulti. Wouldnt even be suprised if Maria too

[green roost]

thats them alone, but together, plus with the strawhats plus with the supernova?

[ancient vault]

I still really dont see it. It was said in WCI that the 3 sweet commanders together wouldnt be able to stop BM

[green roost]

its a strong possibility , also lets have big mom turn (not sure about this one still)

[green roost]

again, thats just 3, not 6, plus not together with the supernova and the strawhats and everyone else

as it stands, aside from how much i meme'd big mom would turn, im more confident that the tobi roppo slowly turn instead

big mom might be the bonus cherry on top if anything

another reason is because outside help is less and less likely, and theyre not gonna beat kaido and big mom with kaido in hybrid, when luffy already used some good stuff in his g4 form

[ancient vault]

But the 3 commanders might even be as strong as 6 tobiroppo. We dont really know that. We've seen numbers dont really matter vs Kaido. They ganged up as 9 ppl on him and still lost big time

[green roost]

so they'd need more and more inside help

[ancient vault]

BM alone turning is more worth than 6 tobi roppo turning

[green roost]

youre challenging the assumption with another assumption and we could just start a whole what if scenario black hole like this lol

[ancient vault]

But like youre assuming 6 tobi roppo would even make a difference when 9 scabbards made absolutely 0 difference

[green roost]

if she turned first there wouldnt be any supsense, drama, opposition lol

[green roost]

i assume the roppo are stronger than the scabbards also

[ancient vault]

I still believe yamato to join up top

[green roost]

that would be great too, shed definitely help as a +1

[ancient vault]

As well as brook vs BMs homies hopefully

@dark palm Looking at Onimarus transformation, or more so face details it seems like Onimaru keeps a certain feature tho.
The eyebrows seem to stay the same or keep a similar form as in his fox form but "Oden" doesnt have that

[dark palm]

I was aware of this, could have manifested in a different place

[ancient vault]

Mhm

[dark palm]

and also, the symbols are markedly different

meaning it could be just his own will

[sick valve]

could also be why "Oden" is wearing his clothes differently

[dark palm]

ADDITIONALLY, how a kitsune's power works

[lyric dust]

Onimaru is awesome

[dark palm]

is that it can transform into something it wants to, OR it can duplicate a person

so if it is duplicating someone directly, I don't think it'll have the markings

[ancient vault]

So he can duplicate as well as change into his own unique human form?

[green roost]

that might make it superior in its own unique way to other shape shifting powers

where they have to copy someone, he can make his own creation or copy someone

[dark palm]

@ancient vault

[ancient vault]

I see

[green roost]

this makes it seem to me like onimarus power is natural to him

[dark palm]

that's what I'm hoping for

[green roost]

what happens if people with zoan fruits mate? i know if paramercia fruits mated, nothing really happens, but would we know for sure thatd work the same for zoans?

what if hes an offspring of a zoan user is what im trying to say

[dark palm]

I don't think it would have any impact

[sick valve]

fruits don't pass down whatsoever

[green roost]

i know that, big mom is evidence at least for paramecia

[dark palm]

devil fruits shouldn't affect reproductive transfers

in terms of lineage factor

[green roost]

but it hasnt technically been proven with zoan on screen, we have no example to call back upon

[ancient vault]

But we learn they do just now right?

[dark palm]

eh?

and earl, I dunno

it's just kinda like saying "it COULD be this"

[covert hazel]

True but I reckon we would've heard about it

[dark palm]

also, yeah

[ancient vault]

DF can modify your lineage factor which is basically your DNA and if your DNA is modified and you give that on to your child and he is born with these genes

[dark palm]

would make sense to make like, hybrids

[dark palm]

that's not exactly how the transfer goes though

[green roost]

theres an island full of weird hybrid animals that gaimon lives on....

[ancient vault]

[covert hazel]

How do change a cloud of gas's DNA

I'm really looking forwards to hearing that

[dark palm]

your child will only receive about 50% of your DNA

[ancient vault]

well then youre a hybrid dragon

[green roost]

if DF's change your lineage factor, wouldnt that make it 50% possible?

[dark palm]

or... the other 50% is where the lineage factor changes lie

I'm not ruling it out earl

[ancient vault]

its not always 50% tho

[dark palm]

I'm saying it isn't guaranteed

it's never more swrml

[sick valve]

depends on the dominance of the gene

[ancient vault]

Then how do certain genes dominate?

[green roost]

ye....it could be random odds, not every zoan that mates has any unique offspring, but 50% might have weird offspring

[keen portal]

swrml you're assuming the part of lineage factor that a DF alters lies on an inheritable part of your genes

[covert hazel]

Remember one piece is a manga so genetics don't work the same, we also don't know if it effects all cells of the body or just body cells

[ancient vault]

Well obviously otherwise I wouldnt keep talking about this

[dark palm]

because certain genes submit to other genes, it's not a powerscale

[ancient vault]

Either way idek if oda would wanna do this anyways lol

[green roost]

im gonna reach a bit more for this second part juba bear with me.....what if....@dark palm

[covert hazel]

Powerscaling genes? 🤔

[dark palm]

lol

[sick valve]

oh god let's not go there

[dark palm]

as in, it's not just "bigger number wins"

genes have dominant and recessive traits

[green roost]

@dark palm catarina devon currently has the fruit of the person who used to be onimaru's mother/father, she is also a "crescent moon hunter"

[covert hazel]

I'm sure it's happened before

[dark palm]

earl if this is true I'm gonna punch you

[green roost]

lmfao

this is reaching far into the assumptions, we still need to learn more about onimaru for christs sake

[ancient vault]

Yes so lets say the male has a bit more of these genes while the women has a bit more of these genes but overall its like 50% for both of them. So hypothetically the males dragon genes could be way more eh advanced? or more present while his idk height and hair genes are quite low. And the female has more of those genes tho so it balances it out. Somehting like that?

[covert hazel]

Plus keep in mind something as drastic as transforming into an animal would not effect just one gene but a host spread throughout multiple chromosomes, this means you'd have to be very lucky

[keen portal]

the number doesnt matter in a gene being dominant or recessive

[ancient vault]

Onimaru is pretty old tho

[green roost]

how old?

[sick valve]

at least 20

[green roost]

not that old

[ancient vault]

Everything above 19 is boomer

[green roost]

[ancient vault]

hes older

[green roost]

older than 19? lol

[dark palm]

lets say there are two dragons. one dragon has long and sharp fangs, the other has small and blunt fangs. If we consider the long and sharp fangs to be a dominant trait, while the small and blunts fangs to be a recessive trait, the long and sharp fangs will completely mask the small ones. They both give 50% of their genes, but due to the dominance one takes over anyways

[ancient vault]

This pic is 39 years ago

Devon is 36

[keen portal]

for a child to then have small and blunt fangs, you'd need the child to inherit one pair of small and blunt fang genes from both sides. thats how recessive traits express over dominant ones

[green roost]

i always assumed devon obtained her fruit recently

im not saying devon took it back then all those years ago from onimarus parents

[ancient vault]

Oh youre saying someone with that fruit

[green roost]

ye

devon eventually found it, or who knows maybe fuckin killed his old ass parents lol

[dark palm]

that's why red haired people are dying out elvaria

[ancient vault]

So because the long ones are better thats why they dominate?

[keen portal]

redheads no

[dark palm]

not necessarily, i just used that for the sake of the argument

[keen portal]

[ancient vault]

Okay dragon genes are clear to me way better than regular human genes

[dark palm]

there can be detrimental dominant genes

detrimental is relative anyways

[sick valve]

like blue eyes 😛

[ancient vault]

Dragon genes arent really detrimental. They offer quite a bit more advantages to regular human genes. Also arent genes also not like random a lot of the times? Resulting in the bad genes being the dominant ones

[dark palm]

no like

I mean the dominant gene could be small teeth

[keen portal]

we just call a gene "dominant" because it being present, supresses the expression of its other counterpart gene.

[ancient vault]

Then how is it determined? Or is it just random?

[green roost]

back to the lineage factor thing, just spitballin, but i could see zoan genes being easier to pass down as they have to do with actual animals, paramecia would seemingly be harder to pass down, how do you genetically pass down baby 5's fruit? i think thats why vegapunk only partioned other powers than zoans into pieces, like kuma's lasers. @dark palm

he actually got to make a full on fruit from a zoan tho

[dark palm]

we don't really know lol

it's generally genetic mutations

which are just pure chance

[sick valve]

I just think it's easier to assume that Devil Fruits are non-transmittable

[dark palm]

but like, what if baby five turned her face into a colt .45 during conception?

I just don't think they're supposed to transmit

I feel like the government would employ zoan users

[ancient vault]

I doubt Oda would implement sth like this anyways. Im just discussing a hypothetical

[dark palm]

and just make them breed soldiers

[keen portal]

A classic example of dominance is the inheritance of seed shape in peas. Peas may be round, associated with allele R, or wrinkled, associated with allele r. In this case, three combinations of alleles (genotypes) are possible: RR, Rr, and rr. The RR (homozygous) individuals have round peas, and the rr (homozygous) individuals have wrinkled peas. In Rr (heterozygous) individuals, the R allele masks the presence of the r allele, so these individuals also have round peas. Thus, allele R is dominant over allele r, and allele r is recessive to allele R.

[green roost]

lmfao exactly, thats why i think paramecia and logia wouldnt work genetically, but i think theres a strong chance zoan breeding could happen (by accident) especially in a land like wano where they think devil fruit powers is the result of sorcery or whatever

[dark palm]

yep, but gene dominance is also sorta like pokemon

as some genes are dominant to one but recessive to another, and so on

[ancient vault]

yeye just argueing hypothetically whether it would be possible. Idk about likely in terms of coming up in the story

[covert hazel]

(ASSUMING OP GENETICS ARE LIKE OURS)
I really don't think so with either, to transform into an animal would require a slew of genes (keep in mind a single gene codes for maybe a few proteins). If only around half of the genes are passed on from a df parent they would not have nearly enough of the morphing genes to have df powers, also they would die cos they have a bunch of nonsense genes that don't do anything without the other halff

[sick valve]

I mean at the same time wouldn't it logically be like trying to breed different animals?

[dark palm]

so like, someone bred with a kyubi user and popped out a fox?

[ancient vault]

wrong reply but whatever juba lol

[sick valve]

Which in that case it wouldn't be able to transmit down, unless it's something like a Zebra and a Horse?

[green roost]

i just think actual animal DNA might be inside zoan fruits and thats actual living being DNA, not "gun" dna however the fuck that would even form lol so yeah like what u said @dark palm

[sick valve]

or a Lion and a Tiger? or different breeds of Dogs?

[ancient vault]

could the human mother even properly nourish the fox child

[dark palm]

I think the strand in your lineage factor is EXPLICITLY the part that doesn't transfer to babies

like, it changes something about you

[covert hazel]

^^^

[green roost]

maybe

[dark palm]

it's sorta like why Lysenkoism is incorrect

[covert hazel]

It does not work logically to pass half of a df gene onto your children, that much code would be a heavy burden on the body

[green roost]

but as u said earlier, this is a manga, and it might not work the same way as real life

[dark palm]

I did not say that but yeah, I just feel like we'd have an inkling of knowledge into it

[keen portal]

thats what I'm going with for now, until given evidence as to otherwise. That DFs alter your lineage factor on a part that is NOT reproductively inherited

[green roost]

someone here did lol

[covert hazel]

Yeah, in that case I would argue we haven't seen any clue of df being passed on to the kids

[dark palm]

and ALSO like I said earlier, I feel like people would be harnessing that power

as in the world government popping out zoan babies

I feel like this is one of the first things they might have tested when initially testing DF stuff

[green roost]

if its undescovered and done by accident i could see it being a lowkey thing , especially with wano not even berlieving in df's

[dark palm]

I mean, wano not understanding DFs doesn't make it less likely for the rest of the world to have discovered it at some point

[covert hazel]

But the whole world, they would've noticed 'oh my baby can turn into ice too'

[dark palm]

there are a lot of potential zoan users

[green roost]

yeah....but damn wouldnt that be cool tho? if he was a half df baby ? T_T

[covert hazel]

Ehh personally I like that dfs are finite

[dark palm]

I mean it would be cool lol I just would think it's weird

[green roost]

i dont know how else to explain his power unlessi ts also a df, in a fun way that works with the world canon

[ancient vault]

Then yamato would be half dragon

[dark palm]

it would be like a mystery novel that doesn't let you solve the mystery

and suddenly introduces the solution right near the end

it's just his power earl

[green roost]

well she can transform....dont give me more ammo here lmao

[dark palm]

we have some crazy shit in OP

[green roost]

we saw yaamatos fangs forming dont say that lololol

[covert hazel]

Oh god oh fuck

[green roost]

yeah but even colors trap has sort of an explanation, being a form of hypntotism

[pure raven]

??

[covert hazel]

Have we seen any other df users have kids?? I bet there's like 1,000 of them but I can't remember any

[dark palm]

@green roost

[green roost]

big mom, but shes paramecia

[keen portal]

big mom

[covert hazel]

Oh yeah Dragon (probably)

[green roost]

even if its magical ,theres a magical reason

[dark palm]

so the magical reason is that it's just a kitsune

[green roost]

but i guess then you could just say the kitsune myth....but then thats the point of catarina devon;s df

[dark palm]

no

she's specifically the nine tailed fox

there's probably some other aspect to her power

[covert hazel]

Lmao that's the best solution

[green roost]

if yamato doesnt have a DF, just know im gonna have some THOUGHTS

[dark palm]

kitsunes in chinese culture were just foxes

in japan... they were nine tailed foxes

so there

[green roost]

so onimaru is chinese?

[covert hazel]

Not genetics, just a cool magic fox makes a lot more sense in OP to me

[dark palm]

no but both originated there, so

it gives wano some mysticism

[green roost]

yeah true, im just feeling a bit of whiplash cause we got this vegapunk lineage factor stuff in the same chapter as possibly a natural shape shifting fox

what else am i supposed to think lololol trying to combine both

[covert hazel]

Fair enough, by introducing 'lineage factor' Oda opens us up to think about genetic stuff

[dark palm]

I mean, there were dragons in the OP world

so it all goes for me

zunesha exists too

[covert hazel]

This got me thinking, what is the common consensus about granting objects df powers?

[dark palm]

oh earl

[green roost]

i think there can be a method to doing it, but also that it can be done by accident

[dark palm]

also, Komainu literally exist

they are even called komainu

[ancient vault]

Real dragons existing is so interesting and opens up so many possibilities

[green roost]

i have a whole story about how the teapot got its tanuki fruit

[covert hazel]

Oh yeah cos of the Tanuki kettle, maybe just chopping up a fruit and boiling it inside it

[green roost]

yep exactly lol

[ancient vault]

Drop it

[covert hazel]

Or maybe it has been around forever and object zoans might not age?

[urban ledge]

Or Oda can use Numbers to effectively take out all fodders from the fight, leaving only secondary characters

[green roost]

@ancient vault oh i got more from earlier: along with the tobi roppo, the numbers will also turn because brook will play better music than apoo the wannabe dj

[ancient vault]

But first I want the numbers to wreak havoc

[green roost]

ye tru

if all u need is good music to sway the numbers, its not like apoo's df is inherently tied to the numbers, u can make any music, so brook works

[covert hazel]

Lol that'd be cool, if literally everyone backstabbed Kaido

[green roost]

its gotta be the only way , the slow tidal wave is building

tama gang, chopper gang, x drake is already with us, etc

[covert hazel]

Grand fleet gonna be a proper yonko crew soon

[pure raven]

kaido still got his commanders and their gangs

[urban compass]

lol

[green roost]

theyll be the last to go and the ones to actually need to be defeated

[urban compass]

What If I Boost This Server...?

[green roost]

i dont think calamities will turn , also tobi roppo WILL need to be defeated but they turn after

[pure raven]

agreed

[urban ledge]

What if Hawkins will attack CP0 to increase his chances of surviving at the end of the battle?

[high portal]

welp

[ancient vault]

gift me nitro just because

[green roost]

i keep forgetting about hawkins lol add him in too

[covert hazel]

Attacking CP0 to increase life chance huh?

[dusky gorge]

oden is bon chan

[high portal]

saw Morj's video and there goes all my theories

[urban compass]

Lol

[lone plaza]

wheres the video

[green roost]

what conclusion did you come to

[urban ledge]

I mean they want to KO already beaten fighters that will be left

[covert hazel]

If all of cp0 is strong like lucci no chance he'll win

[high portal]

there's a teapot that Tama owns that ate a tanuki devil fruit

[urban ledge]

Lucci not that strong tbh

[green roost]

lmfaoooooo

[lone plaza]

he probably is now

[covert hazel]

He was back then too, I bet he could still clap Hawkins

[lone plaza]

he should be around doffy rn imo

[urban ledge]

True, however at the moment it's hard to judge as we didn't see a proper fight

I mean, many had big expectations from Numbers

[lone plaza]

yhh you’re right

[urban ledge]

And they were there to hype up alliance

[covert hazel]

He's seen as strong enough to protect celestial dragons, not weak and I bet can beat up hawkins

[lone plaza]

i’m rlly just interested in reverie arc rn

[high portal]

so yea Oden is the Tanuki teapot, its gonna be like a smash bros character trailer

[pure raven]

same

[urban ledge]

Oh, the world is gonna be a mess the moment Straw Hats leave Wano

[lone plaza]

i wanna know how strong Coby is, how strong Mihawk is, and especially what happened to Sabo

they said he lost to fuji and green bull

[pure raven]

not 2 mention BB is on move 2

[lone plaza]

he defo can’t die cause then luffy wouldn’t like fuji anymore

and fuji supposed to be seen as the one with the most morals in the navy

[covert hazel]

I think he might repeat marineford

[pure raven]

nah

[lone plaza]

he most likely will

[pure raven]

why

[lone plaza]

he said he’s gobs draw a war way bigger than marineford and its gonna be the greatest war in one piece history

but i doubt he will do a marineford cause then we know that luffy gonna win

[pure raven]

it will be related 2 void i guess , WB Also mention 2 sengoku

[covert hazel]

Keep in mind everything I've ever predicted is wrong so prob not

[lone plaza]

i doubt luffy will go to save him, i think it might just be the revolutionaries that go to save him

[pure raven]

why do u think that

[lone plaza]

cause it’s not just sabo who was captured, it was like 3 other captains in the revolutionary

[green roost]

regarding what kawamatsu said about toki, i dont think he actually saw toki, i agree thats the implication, but remember the room was dark and it was hard to see especially cause they were in bad condition and knocked out. i think he saw hiyori who looks exactly the same as toki. additionally, i think hiyori will pretend to be toki so that she doesnt actually "show" herself to the scabbards until the war is over, like she originally wanted, i think there will also be a point where someone either asks her to show, or she accidentally shows her leg, and we dont see the leg scar, confirming it is indeed hiyori @tired osprey

[pure raven]

but dragon is not someone who will rush things up

[lone plaza]

he said he needs to know the facts first

[pure raven]

yup

[ancient vault]

im 99% sure she will reveal herself before the war ends

[lone plaza]

same

[solar steppe]

worst generation will join forces in the final war

[ancient vault]

But she wont go "im hiyori" but rather she'll do something else (other than the leg) that will reveal her as hiyori

[pure raven]

can't say

[lone plaza]

i wonder how Oda’s gonna do it because he can’t do a repeat of marineford

[ancient vault]

Im still not sure where she will do this tho

[green roost]

its gonna be the leg to confirm shes hiyori rather than confirm shes toki

[ancient vault]

yes but not deliberately

[lone plaza]

what if hiyori had a fruit all along

[ancient vault]

We're gonna see it and know its here but the characters in the manga will find out in another way

Im sure she does have a fruit. But it has nothing to do with shapeshifting

[pure raven]

healing one

[lone plaza]

any theories on Oden?

[ancient vault]

nah those are just the normal things she learnt from her mother

[lone plaza]

idt so cause when she healed zoro she didn’t use any powers

[pure raven]

but we did not saw her doing bandages either

[covert hazel]

About 1,000,0000,00000,,00000,,0,0,00,0

[lone plaza]

fair point

[pure raven]

the wound zoro got was deep enough

[lone plaza]

which theory on Oden makes the most sense cause i can’t think of any

[solar steppe]

well luffy already gathering supernova temporary ally power so far
Dressrosa = Law
WCI = Bege
Wano = Xdrake,Kidd,Killer, and prob Hawkins Appo soon
Marijoa = Bonney
Urouge and Teach prob at the final war

[lone plaza]

nah never

never ever ever ever ever will luffy and teach ally

[ancient vault]

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[pure raven]

they were temporary ones

[lone plaza]

that would ruin the whole storyline cause bb supposed to be final villain

[solar steppe]

what about WG ?

[solar steppe]

nah they will back

[grizzled fog]

I think bege is out of the game, he seems to have left to spend time with his family, Kid and killer are not gonna join luffy, Kid is far too ambitious, he’ll remain a rival til the end, Hawkins maybe, but I think that’s unlikely. Urouge maybe, but i prefer Shim’s theory on urouge and teach???

[solar steppe]

well they all can be rival again after the final war

[pure raven]

law wanted reveng , bege is now family man , apoo is trash , bonny is mystery , kidd is arrogant little bi*ch etc.....

[solar steppe]

yet they still join forces to defeat yonkou

[lone plaza]

damn that theories acc good

[solar steppe]

i though bonny wants revenge

[ancient vault]

Still want urouge to drop down from the sky on Kaido

[pure raven]

bonny can

[lone plaza]

SH, grand fleet, supernovas, mink alliance, revolutionaries, red haired pirates Vs. WG and BB

[solar steppe]

yeah to save her former king

[lone plaza]

however, someone from the WG will team up with luffy to defeat BB

[solar steppe]

i dont think BB will join forces with WG

[lone plaza]

not join forces

All 3 against each other

[pure raven]

maybe

[solar steppe]

ya forget revolutionary army

[pure raven]

thinking about ponnygliff how many we have seen till now

[lone plaza]

nah revolutionaries will join

because it’s void century related

[lone plaza]

all of them in general?

[pure raven]

or its related 2 world noble being trash

[solar steppe]

eh 8 ? alabasta , skypiea , fishman island , zou , wci 3 , wano

[pure raven]

12 still missing

[lone plaza]

how many poneglyphs are there?

[pure raven]

20

[lone plaza]

wano doesn’t have a poneglyph does it?

[pure raven]

it does

[lone plaza]

oh yeah with law and robin in the room

[pure raven]

1 red and one simple

[solar steppe]

we need 4 road poneglyph to reach raftel , kaido and bm possess one of them

[lone plaza]

is it 20 including the rio poneglyph?

[pure raven]

maybe we have seen 10 0f them

[lone plaza]

have we seen kaido’s one yet?

[solar steppe]

i think its in orochi castle

[pure raven]

imu sama also hawe 1

[lone plaza]

i’m pretty sure shanks or bb should have one aswell

[pure raven]

its diff. one

[lone plaza]

bb could’ve taken it from whitebeards crew

[solar steppe]

rio poneglyph 9

[pure raven]

one in castle and one in onigashima

[cyan frost]

it would make sense that imu sama has one one because in the next arc there is going to be a big ass war and it might take place at the marineford HQ

[lone plaza]

i personally think shanks already knows about the void century

[cyan frost]

he does because he was with raylieh

[lone plaza]

after the next arc i think cause Oda likes to hint at next arcs for a long time

[cyan frost]

i though that he said that the next arc is going to be a big war

[lone plaza]

we saw ace vs bb and didn’t acc see the arc until 4 arcs later

[cyan frost]

plus it would make sense because something happened to sabo so idk

[lone plaza]

it depends on if luffy sees the newspaper after wano, i feel like we’re gonna know what happened through the straw hats

[cyan frost]

im prettyu sure that he will cuz those birds that drop off newspaper

[lone plaza]

no what i mean is, does he get the newspaper straight away or after the next arc

[pure raven]

sabo is strong

[solar steppe]

imagine Oda inspirated from Indonesia culture to make one piece , Poneglyph = Prasasti , Joy Boy = Joyo Boyo

[lone plaza]

he most likely did tbh

[solar steppe]

ikr , Joyo boyo was a king , and Joy Boy might was a king too of the ancient kingdom

[lone plaza]

he also had a promise that he made to the previous Poseidon that he couldn’t fulfil

[pure raven]

how many world nobles we have seen till now

[carmine sparrow]

a lot

[odd lichen]

Oden haven't died. He is 100% alive.

[carmine sparrow]

No you

[lone plaza]

sure

[solar steppe]

including non-canon 17

[lone plaza]

i was gassed to see Oden lmnl but i already know it can’t be him

[pure raven]

he was bolied alive

[lone plaza]

i always used to think that we won’t see Hiyori until onigashima gets to the flower capital

she could’ve went with tama and they parted ways after

but we don’t even know how tama got there

[solar steppe]

if real oden in wano , then it's too much for beast pirates to handle , they already outnumbered by now , if oden join the war its not a war anymore its a slaughter

[pure raven]

speed brought her

[lone plaza]

plot twist, Hiyori now has toki toki no mi

[lone plaza]

Oden can’t be alive cause he can solo Kaido so it would be bad for luffy’s development

[tender mulch]

We haven't seen what beast pirates can do. And also there is big mom and kaido

[grizzled fog]

Not really, it’s a super tough fight for the alliance atm and the odds are still heavily against them, Oden would help even the odds a bit tbf

[tender mulch]

And also BM crews too

[pure raven]

do u still think some one who was bolied alive can be this fit and fine

[solar steppe]

we got thousand beast tama and chopper already gathering allies

[lone plaza]

knowing Oden he’s obviously gonna rush in to attack kaido

[lone plaza]

he wants boiled to death, he survived

[tender mulch]

I mean they can be defeated pretty easily. And u are forgetting there is big mom crews too.

[grizzled fog]

He died bro

[pure raven]

what about his condition

[solar steppe]

idk man , oda is a hack

[lone plaza]

he only lost to kaido cause some prick took advantage of momonoske and then kaido got him unguarded

[pure raven]

they r not in wano

[ancient vault]

Lifes not fair

[ancient vault]

And Kaido is way stronger now

[tender mulch]

Smoothie and others are in wano

[lone plaza]

it’s only bm and perospero, the rest got flushed down the waterfall by marco lol

[grizzled fog]

Kaido is significantly stronger now, Oden definitely would be able to take him solo now, he’d lose quite handily against current Kaidy

[pure raven]

then why the hACK perospero came alone

[tender mulch]

I mean it would be wasted opportunity if we didn't see smoothie doing something

[solar steppe]

we got xdrake kidd samurai marco thousand beast tama gifter pleasures alliance

[lone plaza]

nah Oden still solos, don’t forget he was still soloing kaido in his bad condition

[tender mulch]

And also oda wants us to think that alliance is about to win
But we all know there is going to be some plot twist.

[grizzled fog]

? Oden definitely does not solo him

[tender mulch]

And this fight is the beginning. We haven't even reach the climax.

[pure raven]

ch 993 big mom and marco have a talk

[lone plaza]

we’re 3 acts in, only 2 left

[solar steppe]

i think its gonna be thriller bark 2.0 , where they fight yonkou instead of shicibukai

[lone plaza]

so the plot twist gonna happen at the end of this act

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/812008302815739914/Untitled-12.png

[tender mulch]

Zehhahaha

[solar steppe]

also we got yamato , and momo prob gonna stop the island

[lone plaza]

🤣🤣act 3 has been long icl

i wanna see Coby vs Hancock man

[tender mulch]

And ya we haven't seen their hybrid forms yet

[pure raven]

what if warlords r captured by WG

[solar steppe]

prob its gonna be girl talks bout luffy

[lone plaza]

🤣🤣

[tender mulch]

Mihawk getting captured would be a surprise.

[pure raven]

coby and hancock simping over luffy

[lone plaza]

a surprise is what Oda likes to give us

[pure raven]

[solar steppe]

momo vs koido

[tender mulch]

That could happen. Oda is unpredictable after the latest chapter.

[pure raven]

WTF///////////////

[solar steppe]

nah they have oden now

[pure raven]

or maybe momo unlocking some power of dragon

sinks onigashima

[tender mulch]

There is 1 week break. Uhh I really want to see if it is fake oden or real oden.

P A I N

[pure raven]

what is next ch is on brook

[solar steppe]

!oda

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/747758157497106442/d0pIAna.png

[acoustic helm]

Momo will guide the world to new dawn - yamato

[solar steppe]

my theory is they're being treated with some crack and became

[acoustic helm]

I believe that oden we saw is a stage actor playing odens role. He saw scabbards when he was young.
This explains:

1. Why he says they aged .
2. Different swords.
   Only 5-10% belief in this.

This keeps me sane

I understand

Tough week ahead

[pure raven]

[tender mulch]

Oda trolling us

[pure raven]

[acoustic helm]

Look man if adding real oden is like getting 60-70% yonko power guy

[tender mulch]

Would be a nightmare if it is real oden.

[acoustic helm]

Man look at hyogoro , he cut through orochi guys like fooder

[grizzled fog]

Thats because Hyo is one of the strongest samurai we’ve ever seen, possibly second only to oden (not counting ryuma)

[acoustic helm]

Mere sight of oden paralyse koido

[tender mulch]

Maybe prime hyo could be stronger than all scabbards.

[grizzled fog]

I think he is stronger than the scabbies tbh

[acoustic helm]

60 atleast

[grizzled fog]

Not necessarily by much

[tender mulch]

That's true. And then rest of 90% exist in dbz universe.

I can't wait for kidd to shine

[acoustic helm]

Lol.
Zoro is fighting seriously.
See his attacks ,you do realise it takes more effort to tap in full potential.
Hyo can't do it.
Zoro is getting at 70% I believe.

Koido is the most durable villian in op yet

[tidal tangle]

Lmao

[acoustic helm]

Speake reason bro

[tidal tangle]

He is obviously trolling , I mean it is pretty obvious

[tender mulch]

The thing is that he cant use enma fully cuz he hasn't mastered that sword yet. And if he uses that fully then I don't think he will have strength to fight after a few minutes.

[acoustic helm]

That's why I said even against koido is fighting at 70%

[tender mulch]

And also we haven't seen yonko fighting seriously.

[acoustic helm]

Yonkos are getting serious now

[tidal tangle]

R u saying that seriously ?

Or r u joking , I can't tell

[tender mulch]

I mean just imagine if both yonko decided to use their full power. And I'm 100 percent sure that fight wouldnt last long.

[acoustic helm]

Man look when was last time zoro used flaming/flying dragon move

[acoustic helm]

Act3 ending 😭

[tender mulch]

That would be terrifying

[tidal tangle]

Right I mean y would he go full strength against 2 yonkous

[tender mulch]

She is so strong that no supernovas wants to fight her.

[tidal tangle]

That's crazy right

[acoustic helm]

Bm relies heavily on homies, but has strong brute force too

Zoro knows the stakes here ,he is fighting seriously. He wants to killl koido

[tender mulch]

Like she has fire, thunder, swords and what else.

[tidal tangle]

Ye

70 percent isn't serious dude

[plucky jay]

Everybody has only attacked kaido though , Big mom is untouched

[acoustic helm]

As I said earlier it takes more effort to tap in 100% let the fight progress

[tidal tangle]

Y r u contradicting urself

[acoustic helm]

Counter shock

[tender mulch]

The fight just started. Usually everyone use their full power at the climax.

[acoustic helm]

Yeah his intent is 100%

Waiting for Asura attac by zoro

[tender mulch]

Can't wait for hybrid form

[odd lichen]

hiyori. bc kanjuro can't find hiyori.

[acoustic helm]

Momo use bolo breath 😂

Then in mid battle teaches momo of dragon attacks

[solar steppe]

100$ kaido hybrid form looks stupid

[tidal tangle]

Double that it looks badass

[chilly helm]

What if Blackbeard isn't after Kaido's Devil fruit, but Yamato's?

Any thoughts on what it could be?

[covert hazel]

The nothing-nothing devil fruit

[lone plaza]

he hasn’t mastered enma yet so it’s impossible for him to go 100%

it’s hard for him to go 100% when he’s tryna get used to his new sword

yh he is but he hasn’t mastered enma, that’s why you would think he isn’t doing enough

he can’t do a lot of damage if he hasn’t mastered it

i don’t think you get it tbh

yeah that’s it

kid is just disappointing rn

and Law has been hinted at having some new moves and techniques

[grizzled fog]

Why’s kid disappointing

[lone sigil]

Who will stop Onigashima's fall after Kaido's defeat?

[grizzled fog]

Could be that the flower capital gets evacuated by the time that happens, so Onigashima falls anyway

But realistically it should pretty much destroy the rest of the region with earthquakes if it fell anyway

[lone sigil]

This situation actually reminds of Noah in Fishman Island Arc which is why I'm intrigued by this should it happen

[grizzled fog]

A lot of people think Momo will manage to set Onigashima down using his powers, which is possible I guess

[pure raven]

Blood?

[grizzled fog]

Yes

[pure raven]

No its carue and princess vivi

Did blood come out from the back as well

[grizzled fog]

lily?

[urban ledge]

• Flying Gifters tamed By Tama and Marco

[grizzled fog]

Maybe

[urban ledge]

If Tama's taming and Momo's Fire Clouds will stop Onigashima, it will be a full pay off to Momotaro and Oni legend

[pure raven]

Bruh

its not blood...

[grizzled fog]

What? What do you think it is lol

[pure raven]

Yep i checked and blood came out the back so the bullet def went all the way through

?

[grizzled fog]

Yes that’s blood dude

[pure raven]

Why the line connecting the blood?

Nooo, imagine that you draw over 1000 manga chapter and what? Can't you even draw some blood??

[terse venture]

that's a great theory juba

[pure raven]

How tf is it can curve like that

[terse venture]

im almost fully convinced that it's Onimaru and Hiyori too

[pure raven]

Wdym can’t draw blood?

[grizzled fog]

Btw I don’t think it actually went all the way through, I think the blood just splattered in multiple directions as his head fell back

[terse venture]

@pure raven ?

[ancient vault]

1. Head is straight --> Blood flies out the back of his head
2. After the blood flies out his head falls back due to the impact of the bullet

[grizzled fog]

As his head falls back some blood flys in the other direction too

[pure raven]

Yes i can see the blood

All i can see is leaf

[ancient vault]

leaf?

[grizzled fog]

...

[pure raven]

Those are some strange leafs

Yeah somehow i can't call this blood dunno

Its blood lmao, it may not be that detailed but it is blood

[grizzled fog]

why not

[pure raven]

Blood is impossible but leafs aren’t

[ancient vault]

You want him to draw blood like this lmao 🩸

[pure raven]

STONKS

[ancient vault]

🩸

[grizzled fog]

It’s quite obviously blood

[pure raven]

Do you think oden sprouted leafs out of his head when he got a bullet through the head?

[terse venture]

looks to me that the "fairy" figure is where the bullet initially hit him and went all the way through, and after that his head curved back while bleeding

looks perfectly fine to me

[pure raven]

Maybe there is a little person with devil fruit

[terse venture]

[pure raven]

or maybe some other specie

as we saw in dressrossa

[pure raven]

Does this mean nothing to you people

[terse venture]

Tontattas are rounder and smaller than that

that blood splatter is actually huge when you take into account the size of Oden's face

[terse venture]

[pure raven]

Oh see

what the ??

[ancient vault]

Thinking about it youre actually right lmao

[dull pumice]

Any instagram theorists?

[tired osprey]

big brain thoughts earl, that def one way to look at it

[hollow axle]

any good theorys yet?

[tender mulch]

So mihawk is luffy uncle?

[pure raven]

[tender mulch]

Seriously these Instagram theorist doesn't make any sense

[pure raven]

monkey D dracule mihawk 🤣

[night jewel]

🙂

[pure raven]

?

[solar steppe]

strawhat

[tidal tangle]

lmao

[pure raven]

so

[tidal tangle]

monkey D mihawk

[obtuse gazelle]

Not blood... that’s Sanji in love

[pure raven]

Right right

[dull pumice]

Sir it seemed like serious and respectable theory

[pure raven]

real

[gloomy stone]

Monkey D Buggy

[lone plaza]

i have a feeling bb might find the one piece before luffy

or they get there at the same time

[pure raven]

The thread name wasn't kidding when it said 'and lots of speculation'

It's a really fun headcanon though

[grizzled fog]

Yes they both have hair

[dull pumice]

Can't argue with that

[acoustic helm]

Fashion?

[covert hazel]

Almost as good as the Devon folds her arms theory

[versed garden]

What if god valley was moved with Kaido's power?

[magic pewter]

Yo does that mean the clan of D is actually clan of Dracule ayy lmaooo

/s

[mystic crown]

Has someone already posted oden is the tanuki teapot theory

[sturdy hawk]

Thankfully no

[mystic crown]

@night jewel I'm not joking.

[night jewel]

oh... thats unfortunate

[mystic crown]

@night jewel Have you seen Mr Morjs chapter 1007 review cause that's where I pulled it from

[night jewel]

I have not but I know what it is, and its also ridiculous

[mystic crown]

@night jewel Yeah true. Just thought it is possible as one of Odas double puns he likes to do for chapter titles

[night jewel]

its most likely referring to shapeshifters anyways, but not specifically that tanuki teapot, that one is just a regular tanuki zoan, not even mythical

[mystic crown]

@night jewel I agree. Just thought something different from the Oden and Toki are alive theories and the Devon theories. Personally I think it's oniwamaru cause as most likely already pointed out the swords match with the ones in ringo

[night jewel]

the swords dont really matter but considering what kawamatsu said ( which applies both to hiyori and onimaru), its most likely them.

[pure raven]

Anyone wanna explain to me what the fuck Evil shanks is about

[rapid carbon]

That’s very interesting actually

I personally have always suspected shanks motives . It would be quite epic for shanks to be revealed as a enemy , on the side of the wg and maintaining the status quo , the one piece goes against this entirely

[night jewel]

this place is for serious theories only @pure raven

[pure raven]

[drifting aurora]

Suffering

[rocky yoke]

hey guys does anyone has the picture that shows the sword oden have like onimaru

i mean oden from last chapter he has a sword

and i saw some sending a picture that onimaru had when he was fighting zoro and it was the same sword

[night jewel]

the swords oden has are just generic katana, dont think too much about it

[rocky yoke]

yeah yeah but i just want the picture 😅

[terse venture]

@rocky yoke https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/819990797558612018/Screenshot_20210312-124326_Shonen_Jump.jpg?width=824&height=676

[rocky yoke]

yes thank you

[terse venture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/819990746144309308/unknown.png

[rocky yoke]

thank you a lot

[terse venture]

not the exact same however, the hilts on these swords are different, but maybe that can be explained by that "lightning bolt" being on the other side of the hilt in the Onimaru pic

[rocky yoke]

ah

[plush pike]

You're calling it the Onimaru pic already?

We have zero indication that indicates Onimaru can transform into anything but Gyukimaru.

[pure raven]

kanjuro also had that sword its a generic sword lol

[terse venture]

thats what i implied

[polar bison]

besides him looking like a kitsune, who in japanese mythology has the capability to transform into anything

[pure raven]

https://i.imgur.com/PsHbuk6.png
https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/0986-003.png

[solar steppe]

BB rn prob heading out to marijoa

[pure raven]

doubt. imo it's some undisclosed location probably with revolutionaries or some shit

[solar steppe]

kaido gonna let him self captured , throwed to impel down , escape together with joker , then started a big war

[balmy dagger]

He can just let any strong guy from his crew to be self captured not himself directly

[pure raven]

I was genuinely thinking about this when I re-watched Kaido's anime introduction scene. Do you think he cares about Doffy anymore since he's teamed up with Big Mom?

[ancient vault]

LMAAOAOO

[terse venture]

Kaido was buying smiles from Doffy

to build his army, so he definitely does care about it

[pure raven]

Yeah, the idea was to make Kaido's crew literally all SMILE users, and the rest would be trashed with the Ice Oni virus

But they only got a handful of SMILES and then the factory got destroyed so shrug

[urban marsh]

the pirate king had ligma before his execution

[keen portal]

[green roost]

this theme keeps getting repeated in onigashima like every other chapter, with the waiters and pleasures, and now some gifters on the allies side, plus with x drake, im definitely confident more notable beast pirates will turn, all or most of the tobi roppo included, i cant see any other way the allies get more help to defeat kaido

[weak arrow]

Yeah, that's part of why im convinced big mom will turn on Kaido as well, and will leave, maybe with the wano poneglyph in tow

[green roost]

mihawk once commented onl uffys ability to make allies, i think thats spreading now to his entire crew, the strawhats will end up recruiting (probably temporarily or like in the grand fleet style) and walking away with a big armada once wano is over

[green roost]

i can definitely see that as the final cherry on top, the final betrayal in a tidal wave of betrayals

still unsure if the calamities will ever turn, but im very sure about tobi roppo

[versed garden]

That sounds cool but I don't see tobi roppo on straw hats' side... except sasaki actually

[green roost]

remember who';s who already is of the mind to want to fight a calamity

his betrayal is hinted at too

page one and ulti seem like theyd be the hardest to turn, but they probably would if saw saw something that shaked their faith real good

[versed garden]

I wanted to include him too but I hesitated

[polar bison]

100% agree, tobi roppo only follow kaidou out of strength. the moment that’s broken, i’m sure the strawhats will have won some or all of their hearts over

[weak arrow]

i would not include who's who, considering his interaction with drake and queen

[green roost]

i still think the tobi roppo would need to get defeated before anything tho, like i dont think theyll stop their fights midway for it

[polar bison]

oh for sure

[green roost]

it was still unclear whether he always meant drake or if one of his earlier lines hinted at him also wanting to fight a calamity, he could have been coercing drake to say something stupid, but i still think he has his own plots

[polar bison]

wouldn’t be satisfactory otherwise

[green roost]

yea

[polar bison]

who’s who we still know so little about

[green roost]

and yeah i could definitely see franky turning sasaki into a bro

[polar bison]

ulti and p1 could defect just based on their personalities, sasaki based on a franky connection, maria on respect for sanji and robin or some shit, but who’s who is a mystery

[green roost]

exactly exactly

[weak arrow]

dont really see black maria changing sides either

[green roost]

also something about odens speech i realized

this is straight up wrong, the left speech bubble. almost half of them time jumped, they didnt age a single year. yet he confidently states "ALL", nope. fake oden. shouldnt even be a question for many reasons even besides this

[sturdy hawk]

Queen is the only one I can see changing sides because of Hiyori

[copper frost]

it would have to be obvious that if oden was truly alive in all these years, he would definitely find out that half of them jumped in time since toki's death was so public

[green roost]

loool i actually find it hard to see the calamities switch but hey ill take that!

[sturdy hawk]

It's the only one I can see, rest I agree with you

[green roost]

this oden speech also assumes no one time jumped at all, thats the logic fake oden is operating on, its extremely off

[keen portal]

ye earl, I pointed out that "ALL you aged" bit yesterday as well

I'll still wait to see what viz says on that

[green roost]

that might be the better evidence, more so than the swords and whatnot

but yeah we'll have to wait for viz

[pure raven]

I assumed BB was referring to the warlords

[solar steppe]

BB after buggy captain john treasure

[distant chasm]

When Luffy got beaten by Kaidou his vivre card was showing his bad health, so probably full Mugiwara Alliance is moving towards Onigashima to help Luffy :DDDDD

[solar steppe]

well hawkins and apoo will turn side i guess

[green roost]

the island is floating though, i used to think that myself until things changed , also not sure if luffys card showed me in a horrible state, he got KO'd sure by kaido but remember he was letting off CoC at that moment

he seemed to be generally fine besides the state of being "knocked out"

for the card to deterioate really badly id expect to see him near death, i dont expect someone to let off CoC if theyre near death

[green roost]

yeah could definitely see that

[distant chasm]

have to wait for VIZ translation first...

[green roost]

yep

lets say Viz changes it to "youve all grown quite a bit!", that would still be wrong...as an example

[ionic notch]

Based on these panels there actually two people who helped out the retainers, since the fake Oden didn't tend there wounds as he said "You guys look like you taken a beating!". This mean that someone else treated there wounds and fought for them, which is unknown currently, or better yet there orginal form.

[ancient vault]

Kawamatsu is talking about that person. He saw Hiyori most likely

[hollow grotto]

Would Kawamatsu say "There's just no way it was real" in reference to Hiyori though? I don't mean to dismiss the potential but if Kawamatsu was in such disbelief, I doubt it would be such a shock seeing Hiyori whom had already talked with Kawamatsu prior to the war. Based on the wording, it would make more sense if he was acting that way because he saw someone such as Toki.. and it's not huge evidence, but Toki has healed people such as Oden's wounds before in the past, so we know she has some sort of medical background

[night jewel]

Hiyori did the same with zoro as well so we know she has medial knowledge too

and I think kawamatsu would say that for onimaru atleast, they havent met in 13 years so ofc he couldn't believe his own eyes there

[hollow grotto]

That's true

Not meaning to discredit any other theories of course, any of them could happen, but that kind of a shock just to me feels unearned with Hiyori. Onimaru and Toki would be much more deserving of a reaction like that from Kawamatsu.

[ancient vault]

He mistook her as toki

He saw hiyori tho

[hollow grotto]

Ooo, good point!

I didn't consider that - very likely to be the case

[ancient vault]

The translation makes it a bit weird yeah

[hollow grotto]

Little bit of a parallel that @cloud sky found was that there's a familiar kanji 'pouuf' noise present between this scene where Oden enters the room in Chapter 1007, as well as another scene where Kanjuro creates Ryuunosuke in Chapter 803

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820322237558947853/820323674149093406/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820322237558947853/820322265799196672/latest.png

[cloud sky]

😉

[hollow grotto]

Given the context behind Oden in the story right now, it wouldn't surprise me if this was a Kanjuro painting.

[ancient vault]

From what I know Kanjuros paintings dont create smoke/mist tho. If you look at the last page with Oden you can see mist lingering around the ground.
This only happens when Devon or Gyukimaru transforms

[dull pumice]

Kanjuros momonoske painting is a masterpiece

[distant chasm]

Toki

[still lodge]

What if the room has a lot of dust and opening thed door made it move?

[green roost]

the thing is hiyori looks exactly the same as toki and it was dark, even bao huang couldnt see well with her paper mask eyes

kawamatsu could have easily mistaken hiyori for toki

oh oops swrml said that right after lol but ye

[ancient vault]

Thats not how dust is drawn in one piece nor have I ever seen Oda draw dust in OP

So basically the first part of my message makes no sense cause I've never seen dust in OP

[still lodge]

Idk, i would believe the Onimaru theory if it werent because he talks exactly like oden

[green roost]

he may talk like oden, but he made a flaw in his speech already

so this person isnt imitating him as perfectly as they could be

i dont know if onimaru actually knew that the scabbards time jumped, meanwhile kanjuro was aware of this fact, since he did it too , the fake oden saying "youve all aged" might be more indicative of onimaru

[amber oar]

what was that flaw in speech? Things get lost in translation

[green roost]

"youve all aged quite a bit", almost half of them time jumped, they didnt age a single year

even said "ALL", but again, we gotta be sure with VIZ