manga-theories

[pure raven]

theres plenty of characters in the entire story that should have died

[sturdy vortex]

I half feel like Perospero doesnt like killing

[bitter flower]

yeah, if orochi is alive I wouldnt be suprised, especially considering his df

[pastel summit]

Yes. People got mad over them. That doesn't mean Oden being alive wouldn't be 100x more egregious.

different situations. You don't get to remove context and pretend they're all the same.

[sturdy vortex]

Odens sacrifice feels like it was a waste if he is alive no?

[pure raven]

so does bon clay saving the prisoners

[bitter flower]

yeah exactly, three characters who should never be revived are ace, roger, and oden, idc what happens to everyone else lol

[pure raven]

why is it so weird if oden is alive if people like bon clay who is less cool gets to live lol and pound

[sturdy vortex]

Imagine Roger 💀 💀

[ancient vault]

Sure. That still doesnt mean oden is alive lol

[cinder oyster]

if we zoom out and try to think as to why oden doesnt look older and has no scars, then he would have to had gotten to toki, been healed by someone with a healing fruit and then know that this was going to happen

[ancient vault]

Because Bon Clay has not been the driving factor of the 300 chapter saga

[pure raven]

im just sayin ppl shouldnt take oden is actually alive up the butt, it's still plausible

[quick tusk]

but why assume its really Oden? wouldn't he have massive burn scars all over his body? I think that alone shows its not him

[sturdy vortex]

^

[cinder oyster]

which yknow, is a very thin line but theres like a seriously minor chance that would have to involve some sort of flashback

[high portal]

guys! I think Ace is gonna be in Onigashima! because Oda!

[ancient vault]

Bon Clays importance in Impel Down is nowhere near Odens importance in Wano and in the past 300 chapters

[pastel summit]

because they're different characters, with different implications on the story, and different scenarios regarding their "deaths"

[tawdry oriole]

oden being alive is bad writing onimaru helping them also bad writing,devon also bad writing, kanjuro also makes no sense leaving the time travel thing viable but 99% of the guys disagree

[bitter flower]

tbh, bon clay and kanjiro theories are more plausible than oden being alive. At least those wont ruin the story as much lol

[quick tusk]

we see his feet and part of his legs, and they look pristine, there's no way in hell that is the same Oden that burned in a boiling pot of oil

[pure raven]

i dont know if oden is alive or not but i wont say 'ITS THE WORST WRITING IN THE WORLD' if he actually is lol

[pastel summit]

once again, you are removing context. if your argument just comes down to "remove context behind death, now get mad at every single time oda didn't kill"

[bitter flower]

Worst writing in one piece for sure

[pastel summit]

100% would be the worst thing oda has ever written if oden is alive.

[bitter flower]

I just don't see how you can possibly redeem an Oden revival

[pure raven]

anything is possible with oda

[high portal]

guys, frick it, Whitebeard is gonna be in Onigashima, because Oda

[pastel summit]

good argument pal.

[ancient vault]

literally just shitposting

[quick tusk]

OP community sure loves to assume the worst possibility everytime

[high portal]

nononono, Gol Roger is gonna pop into Onigashima, because Oda

[sturdy vortex]

There is a 30% chance its Oden, 70% chance its something else going on that we dont know, lets leave it at that 😅

[pastel summit]

30%?????????

[sturdy vortex]

idk i just wanna end the fighting

[pure raven]

id say closer to 40%

[high portal]

nah being its oda and all its gonna be 100%

[bitter flower]

by that logic, its possible that there are four oden's in that room rn lmfao

[summer comet]

Anything is possible because oda, but doesn't make it good

I'm thinking it's onimaru

[ancient vault]

its 99% Onimaru and the rest can share the 1% lol

[cyan berry]

this is the real oden

[pure raven]

@bitter flower it's a theory after all, cant say its right or wrong

[bitter flower]

lmao thats what i love about theories

[summer comet]

Ball to body size matches

[cyan berry]

no theories can be right or wrong, especially when you put zero thought in one

[pure raven]

whether you put a whole thought or zero, i agree it cant be right or wrong because it's a theory yes

[bitter flower]

I still hope we see blackbeard before wano ends

[high portal]

guys, because its Oda, he's just gonna revive Corazon and he's gonna join in on the fight, the possibilities are endless

[ancient vault]

Theres sth called proof or evidence and arguments so yes you can be wrong

Whens the cleansing

[pure raven]

IF oden is alive and oda can explain it, it feels like some people will lose their minds

[sturdy vortex]

Me ^

[pastel summit]

yes, but it can be a shit theory with no thought put into it. a shit theory being correct, just means the series turns to shit. if you want to argue on that premise, then sure. but what's the point? You want to argue the ways in which the manga could end badly? there are countless.

[ancient vault]

go to #manga This channel is about discussing serious theories and not your baseless ideas

[pure raven]

'series turns to shit' that's a little much

[pastel summit]

roger is alive and the one piece is friendship.

[ancient vault]

[pure raven]

well oda stated himself it's not something like 'friends we made along the way'

[sturdy vortex]

Everyone in manga are rude

[high portal]

|| I'd say series turns to Fairy Tail but that's just me ||

[pastel summit]

yeah but oda.

[quick tusk]

Onimaru is the fox that was Gyukimaru right?

[ancient vault]

yes

[pure raven]

until wano is done, wano theories are up for grabs

[bitter flower]

how popular is the raid-fail theory atm? I'm still on board lol

[quick tusk]

gotcha, that's I guess likely too

[pastel summit]

just gonna use your argumentation and say "but oda" to all my arguments and act like it's a good form of argumentation.

[high portal]

bro TORWEIF gang?

[ancient vault]

Jugol pls hit him with sth big

[pure raven]

thats fine lol they're all theories

[quick tusk]

theories need valid arguments, otherwise they are just baseless speculation

[pure raven]

its a theory not a dick, so dont take it so hard

[ancient vault]

Gosh. Leave this channel pls. Its not a serious theory. Its baseless and just your random thoughts. It has nothing to do in here

[copper frost]

[fresh gale]

[high portal]

"guys Montblac Noland is dead, but because its Oda, he's gonna fight in the Onigashimia raid"

[ancient vault]

Im literally warning you before a mod comes

[amber oar]

no explanation could fix it after all that has happened. This has been building for 8 or 9 years (since Kin and Momo were introduced first). The scabbards' struggles, Momo's struggles. They're fighting a war in his name, Oden alive would render like six years worth of OP void (and I say six and not eight because Dressrosa is in the middle)

[pastel summit]

not taking it that hard. just saying it's a shit theory. if you're not invested, shouldn't be that big of a deal if I say your theory is shit.

[quick tusk]

if you want to throw around "theories" to the wall and see what crap sticks, go to the One Piece subreddit

[ancient vault]

literally lmao

[pure raven]

just cause u dont agree doesnt make it 'shit' i'm just saying oden can be alive through toki or awakening. who knows

[ancient vault]

Thats your bestfriend, beep. They will gladly take you

[bitter flower]

does anyone else think sanji will awaken some form of observation haki this arc? Even with the germa suit he still seems a bit too far behind

[pastel summit]

I know.

[ancient vault]

I think rather a new ability (like diablé jambe)

[grizzled fog]

jump

[ancient vault]

So he can leave the raid suit behind

[ancient vault]

i forgot the real name lmao is it jambe?

[grizzled fog]

Far behind who

[grizzled fog]

Diablé Jambe lol

[fresh gale]

How’s any power up gonna replace invisibility?!

[bitter flower]

I don't think he'll awaken future sight (since that is more luffy's thing), but maybe he'll learn to conceal his presence and use that to help marco against king/queen/perospero. Also, as swrml mentioned, he's definitely due for a new attack

[ancient vault]

Thats just what I said

[pure raven]

bro i jjst want to kno if thats the real oden or not

didnt usopp awaken obs haki when he sniped that kid

[grizzled fog]

Sugar, and yes

[bitter flower]

far behind zoro and luffy. He's supposed to be comparable in strength to zoro. Rn, he seems to be on par with franky and stuff which feels off

[ancient vault]

True lol. He can keep the invis stuff. Just dont like the endurance things etc.
I just dont like the idea of getting power ups like that. He hasnt really done anything to deserve that in the sense of he hasnt learned a new ability or trained or whatever. It was just given to him

[bitter flower]

from my understanding, the "monster trio" is always supposed to be the top three in the strawhat crew

[ancient vault]

I dont think franky couldve tanked a lethal attack from King like that

[pure raven]

i'd assume usopp needs insane obs haki to fight augur considering he sniped 2 seagulls far away from the island he was at

[grizzled fog]

well, I’m sorry you interpret it that way. I don’t want to turn this channel into a powerscaling shithole but that is massively incorrect

[fresh gale]

Yeah I can see him getting naturally tougher. But yeah imo he should keep using the suit as it’s quite a lot useful

[high portal]

uh oh, p*werscaling

[pure raven]

yes i'd agree that nobody else in the crew can replace that, ever

[ancient vault]

What vemqi said. Franky etc are having their equal fights vs the tobiroppo while Sanji absolutely dominated Page1 back then

[pure raven]

jinbei?

[ancient vault]

I dont think franky is anywhere near sanjis level rn

[bitter flower]

powerscaling? come on lol, their relative powers are meant to be ambiguous. I'm not trying to power scale the three, I'm just mentioning how the typical balance between the three is off now.

[ancient vault]

the only one that is disrupting the three being the strongest rn is jinbei

[pure raven]

+1

[ancient vault]

?

[pure raven]

i always type jimbei hahaha

[grizzled fog]

It’s really not off, this is the last thing I’ll say on this. But luffy is well ahead of Zoro and Sanji, both of which are around each other regardless of what you say, and no Sanji is not at franky’s level lol

[ancient vault]

oh is that supposed to be an "I agree"

[pure raven]

yes

[fathom matrix]

So I looked st the most recent chapter....that's not Odin. I think that's Onimaru. I think he did it to boost moral, even if it's wrong, and to help instill fear into the enemy.

[fresh gale]

That’s indeed not the nordic god

[tawdry oriole]

my headcannon theory....he somehow got healed(dont say oden=high regen)most possibly tended by toki during the "3days" in jail while the scabbards hv their injuries on.....the most logical thinking would be momentarily time travel to the future with toki herself(hidden ability who knows) during the jailtime..more the reason he was sure to die that day with execution

[pure raven]

oda isnt going to change the monster trio, he's well aware of fans obsessions over power leveling thats why he calls it the monster trio and not even jinbe can match that

[pure raven]

no he can lol

[bitter flower]

all we've seen from sanji yet is him fighting a tobi roppo. He'll need more than just the germa suit if he fights someone stronger. By "franky and stuff", I meant that franky, jinbe, and the other members are also fighting tobi roppo now.

[pure raven]

unless zoro and sanji get major power boosts in future

[grizzled fog]

We saw him dunking on a tobi roppo after putting on the raid suit for the very first time. Dunno how you can say Zoro and Luffy are well beyond him (well luffy is)

[fathom matrix]

We saw him get shot in the head and boil in oil. I think he's dead.

[ancient vault]

Just watch Sanji sending Pero flying next chapter

[pure raven]

i read pedro for a second

[copper frost]

he was testing the raid suit, not even fighting seriously

[pure raven]

this whole arc franky was lowkey ballin hard

[copper frost]

he wanted to let the others escape and then himself leave to not expose himself

[tawdry oriole]

i'm talking abt when he was in jail

[bitter flower]

I might've missed somethiing, if I did my bad lol.. but from my undertsanding, zoro is much closer to Luffy than he is to Sanji now that he has enma, and sanji hasn't shown any feats (besides durability) that would help him catch up just yet

[pure raven]

i have a theory that franky has a 'nuke everything and sacrifice myself button' and chopper having a crazier monster point if he eats a lot of rumble balls

[grizzled fog]

sigh well I hugely disagree on zoro being closer to Sanji, there’s really nothing to show that. But I doubt I’ll change your mind so let’s just agree to disagree

[pure raven]

i understand u feel that way cause we haven't seen many feats yet, i hope oda does sanji justice

[bitter flower]

All this to say that I think Sanji will showcase something new in observation haki (his specialty) very soon. He hasn't really had a tough match-up since enies lobby

my guess is that he'll take down king or queen (probably queen) with something special

[pure raven]

i'm crossing my entire body that sanji gets a proper match up like king or queen

[bitter flower]

I'm kinda hoping both lol, sanji/marco vs king/perospero

[pure raven]

if he doesnt.. ppl are going to continue bringing my boy down

[runic oak]

I personally feel like Queen is gonna fight Chopper plus the other pirates and Hyou,he just isnt gonna make a good matchup for sanji
Dont forget perospero is still around

[pure raven]

pero is reserved for carrot i feel.. and double teaming him with sanji takes away from peoples sanji hard on including mine

[bitter flower]

eh.. carrot should let go of pp, the poor soul did nothing wrong

[tidal tangle]

"Carrot should let go of pp "

[runic oak]

Didnt they got sunk by marco like 2-3 times?

[bitter flower]

I deleted my question since it wasn't a theory, but you'd think they found a way to get to onigashima by now lol.. oh wait.. onigashima is in the sky

[fathom matrix]

what do you think will be the reaction one "oden" shows up to the battlefield?

[bitter flower]

it'll probably scare off qute a bit of people and boost morale like crazy

[fathom matrix]

I can imagine everyone turning white with fear

If Orochi was still there, he would be shitting himself

[bitter flower]

lmao thatd be so satisfying

[fathom matrix]

It would be a good strategy

PLUS, it looks like the waiter and pleasures are rebelling against Queen and may end up working for the alliance

Plus, they're accumilating gifters

[zinc iris]

sanji alone would be too advantaged against perospero
having someone tagging with sanji against pp would trivialize the fight

[hollow axle]

chopper and robin are getting some love

[zinc iris]

lol no

the big mom pirates were the offending party

[wary rain]

Well to be fair, back at fishman island

[pure raven]

is momonosuke based on any character in japan literature, does anyone know

[zinc iris]

kidnapping sanji and planning to murder him in a red wedding was unrelated to big mom wanting to destroy a country over confectionery

[long topaz]

So is the general consensus that this Oden is actually just Onimaru? Or is there a better theory floating around

[zinc iris]

there is a lot of mix and match, but part of it is the legend of momotaro

[tired osprey]

Some minomoto no yoshitsune in him too

Both goes into tama too

[distant panther]

perhaps Onimaru turned into Toki first, then Oden

[tired osprey]

[pseudo orbit]

kaido's hybrid form?

[magic current]

ODEN???

[zinc iris]

onimaru might, but there is no indications he can turn into any person instead of just being fixed to that humanoid form

also what is that power, is onimaru a magical creature or just a fox that ate a df
and which df

[marble skiff]

also the figure before was a female

before going back and changing into oden,

[pastel summit]

yeah this is true. there's no indication that he can freely transform, it's just an assumption that we have to make because every other possibility is so much more ridiculous.

[ancient vault]

maybe its a jutsu

[zinc iris]

so it would be a practical disguise

[pastel summit]

given we already have bon clay and devon, it seems excessive to have yet another fruit that grants the ability of transformation.

[normal imp]

Who you think is that Oden?

[tired osprey]

oden

oden is oden

[still pewter]

until confirmed oden isnt dead

[carmine sparrow]

Oden is no more

[normal imp]

He was shot in the head, it cannot be him

[carmine sparrow]

wtf is going on with this channel cd 15 secs hmph

[subtle ermine]

it’s that white fox

[still pewter]

but how is he standing in front of them?

[normal imp]

I think its the fox, that went to Onigashima with Hiyori

[still pewter]

i disagree that fox only has one transformation as far as we know

[subtle ermine]

it’s the most plausible option

[lucid grail]

Its foxy

[still pewter]

but what if its actually oden and toki ?

how do we know that oden didnt haki up when he was shot and was waiting under the boiling oil with armament haki ?

pretending to be dead, sent to future with toki

plausible.

[normal imp]

Oden was exausted to be in the boiled oil, he couldn't use haki in that moment

[subtle ermine]

pretty sure we saw blood when he got show

and kaido woul’ve noticed had the bullet been deflected

[normal imp]

Exactly

[ancient vault]

Like he can wait under the boiling oil after his body was already fried lmao

[weary cliff]

Toki/Oden abandoning Hiyori for 20 years wouldn't be a great look either

[still pewter]

or how about this, blackbeard is on wano, he knows oden, he told devon what oden looks like.

[subtle ermine]

how are your theories more plausible than oden being that shape shifting fox

[still pewter]

because that sounds boring

[subtle ermine]

your theories sound like fan fiction tho

[still pewter]

so does yours

that fox cant transform isnto any person it wants

[subtle ermine]

and you know that how?

[normal imp]

Its very plausible, Kurohige knows things that nobody else knows

[still pewter]

because we would have seen that ability already

[weary cliff]

Why would we have?

[subtle ermine]

not sure why you think that

[still pewter]

we just would have seen it oda loves foreshadowing

[subtle ermine]

that makes no sense lol

[weary cliff]

In that case, we would have foreshadowing of BB on Wano

[still pewter]

exactly and its what im hoping for

[weary cliff]

We don't have that

BB was even shown to be heading somewhere the marines were involved. Literally anywhere but

[subtle ermine]

blackbeard started moving after the news of the reverie, which involved ancestral weapons and sabo aka mera mera no mi

[still pewter]

cmon lets be real out of the 2, who is the one who can actually take down BOTH kaido and big mom at the same time? definitely not luffy, its going to be blackbeard

[subtle ermine]

luffy is not fighting alone

[storm root]

Toki and Oden alive. Rules wano once again

[ancient vault]

[subtle ermine]

it just sounds like you want a big character coming to wano

[ancient vault]

wrong reply but actually I dont regret replying to that

[subtle ermine]

like those saying shanks would come in wano for chapter 1000

[storm root]

Yes

My name is Gavin

Ok

[storm root]

I'll send you a pic of me and my ole buddy curryishott

[weary cliff]

How bout y'all move this out of the theory channel

[ancient vault]

LMAO

[drifting moth]

So it’s no Oden

[elder laurel]

Then who?

[reef nest]

Anyone but Oden

[ancient vault]

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[lone hedge]

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[lucid grail]

Its vegapunk

Lul

[urban marsh]

nah

[lunar shell]

well go read one piece instead of reading discord

[polar bison]

it’s a fake dw about it

[visual mulch]

what are we thinking

i have a theory if ur interested

[lunar shell]

go ahead

[snow herald]

Has anyone put up the theory of it being katarina devon? just like how bb infiltrated marine ford and even impel down. they have the abilities to do such a thing and devons df could be the better version of the clone df. I think it could be a posibility

[slate zodiac]

I got it spoiled and then I got curious

[lunar shell]

nah forget it, its not her

[worldly anvil]

there's no way it's devon

[snow herald]

why not

[lucid grail]

It couls be her, Blackbeard actually knows Oden

[visual mulch]

oden is still dead and him and the scabbards are meeting in the afterlife. all the scabbards died. the person "helping" them is hiyori or toki crying over all of their dead bodies.

[weary cliff]

It's a possibility but we have no reason to think it is Devon

[lunar shell]

for lot of reasons

[lucid grail]

But it will be someone no one will expect, Oda always does this

[polar bison]

would work in a different manga

[lunar shell]

I'll give you just one : why would devon transform into hiyori/toki and cry while all scarab are passed out ?

[radiant venture]

Read the chapter title.
Tanuki-san
Chopper declared that he ain't no Tanuki.
That leaves us with that sword guardian fox.

[snow herald]

no i mean devon is oden

[lunar shell]

Buggy that's the first theory I hear that I actually like

[snow herald]

the person healing them was not the same as oden

[lunar shell]

problem is : Oda dont like to kill, we see it again with hyogoro, and the party at the end of the arc would be sad if they all died

[lucid grail]

She isn't transforming into hiyori, Devon is transforming into Oden to relive the spirit of the scabbrds, so fhey can defeat Kaido. It's a play of blackbeard to get kaidos fruit in the end

[visual mulch]

i've established that im saying the scabbards are dead and meeting in heaven. hiyori or toki is there and crying over the dead bodies. devon isn't in this situation.

[lunar shell]

@lucid grail ok, then explain who is the shadow healing all scarabs ?

[lucid grail]

Probably Hiyori

[weary cliff]

No thanks. Dragon BB would also be lame for the story

[lunar shell]

ok its 11 peoples, the girl with the paper on her face talked about 10

[lucid grail]

Yeah I don't think it's Devon too, but that's how the people tend to explain why it must be Devon

[iron remnant]

Notice that he has both of his sword in this scene

[lunar shell]

beside, such a behaviour doesnt suit Devon, why be here at all ? and how ?

[iron remnant]

While Zoro has Enma

[lunar shell]

I'm done talking nosense, its not Devon

[lucid grail]

Oden came in after the 10fh person saved them, read the chapter again

The 10th person left the room most likely

I don't think it's either, but your arguments are weak lol

[snow herald]

im gonna go with my theory of bb infiltrating the raid and doing stuff, this will somehow get bm out of the fight, leaving everyone to focus on kaidou, cos I dont see them defeating bm and kaidou, bb will just stay quiet and be sneaky peaky like

[lunar shell]

oh right he was in the ' other room ' so that girl didnt see him ^^ give me a break, also, we can admit that hiyori / toki went out of the room by the time the scarab gain conscious again, cuz when they wake up, they dont talk to her, dont see her.

[radiant venture]

You know what's a big red flag?
Oden saying that everyone has aged quite a bit.

[lunar shell]

@lucid grail I have others that are still to be answered you know

[weary cliff]

That is interesting. Although everyone but Kin and Raizou have actually aged

[lunar shell]

my arguments doesnt need to be awesome, just to be answered with some logic

[swift fox]

If it was orochi's shadow I don't know why it would treat The scabbards' wounds unless the shadow is underestimating them

[lunar shell]

not to mention the shadow doesnt look like orochi at all

[swift fox]

Wdym? I meant Orochi's subordinate the shadow

[thin solar]

Or someone impersonating oden

[thick sky]

yo was just reading through wikipedia article about Fukurokuju.

He is the only member of the Seven Lucky Gods credited with the ability to revive the dead.
And whose whereabout we currently don't know - Fukurokuju
And what recently happened in the last chapter - A dead person was revived.
not strictly saying that he really revived oden (and that seems to be a fake oden) but I think Fukurokuju has something to do with it.

[loud sonnet]

do you guys think toki awakened her fruit which allowed her to go back in time ?

[thick sky]

nah

[lunar shell]

@thick sky can you give me the wiki link plz

[thick sky]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukurokuju#:~:text=In Japan%2C Fukurokuju (%E7%A6%8F%E7%A6%84,Lucky%20Gods%20in%20Japanese%20mythology.&text=Most%20related%20in%20appearance%20to,God%20of%20wisdom%20and%20longevity.

[lunar shell]

ty

interesting

[lyric dust]

i didn't even know that the fuck? lemme read into this

[thick sky]

am searching other materials tho. fukurokuju seems to be rather untouched subject in this fake-oden discussion

[lunar shell]

someone has posted a link with young zoro having those same sword, seems like its generic, beside, the lenght is greater on the left one

[thick sky]

yeah noticed that too. but its like generic swords

[lyric dust]

thats just a regular sword

[kind gate]

Can someone send the toki and oden panel about her using her powers on him please

[lyric dust]

Same type of sword appeared in Zoro's flashback all the way in Chapter 5, nothing special

[lunar shell]

that said its not even a strong argument since the lenghts of sword change all the time ( Enma held by Oden is 2x greater than while held by Zoro , its a manga )

[kind gate]

Thank you

[lunar shell]

he has injuries in the head, later seen when he is boiled. He has none of those injurie in chap 1007. Doesn't work.

[pastel sable]

hmm i forgot where it said a dead person was revived

[lyric dust]

he has no scar from getting shot in the face, his arms and feet seem completely fine even though he was in a boiling pot of oil for an hour

[thick sky]

no saying that the recent chapter has kinda like a person revived (fake oden)

[lyric dust]

his neck and chest are also completely fine, with no burn marks at all

[pastel sable]

oh okay

[lunar shell]

I think he is leaning toward the fact that its not Oden that is boiled, so it doesnt matter if he doesnt have burn injuries

head injuries matter though

[pastel sable]

inb4 they boiled kanjuros drawing in the past

[thick sky]

? who me?

[lunar shell]

no, Folarin

[thick sky]

oh oh

[lyric dust]

this silhouette thing is so confusing, if it really was a Kanjuro painting, or the works of Fukurokuju, they would've put the skin details in since they there for the execution

[lunar shell]

true

[pastel sable]

can't say anything at this moment it's so confusing

[lunar shell]

confusing is the word to this whole mess

[pastel sable]

oda fucking w us

[lyric dust]

I knowwww, oda and these damn silhouettes lmao

[ancient vault]

LMAO WHAT ARE THOSE BLUE CIRCLES????

[pastel sable]

feet pics

[ancient vault]

It could easily have been adjusted by hitetsu for Hiyori tho

[lunar shell]

yeah right....................

[reef nest]

Same smoke

[ancient vault]

Thought u meant the leg or sth

[lunar shell]

a lot and lot of character change lenght all the time

[thick sky]

and a ninja named Nakagawa Shoshunjin was said to have shapeshifting abilities

[lunar shell]

I think I remember having seen Fukurokuju leaving the scene, trying to find it

[lyric dust]

I was like 100% certain it was Onimaru b4 raws were released bc of the smoke (i thought the person just transformed), but i mean in this panel you can see he had already taken a step into the room (as oden) and there was no smoke surrounding him. the smoke could've just been an effect because of a "grand entrance."

[thick sky]

yeah he had. lemme send you a snip of it

chapter 990

[lunar shell]

alright thanks

[thick sky]

here you go, @lunar shell

[lunar shell]

yep

we see him here, and he is never to be seen again...hmmmmmm

[thick sky]

yeah, and that wikipedia statement made me wonder abot it

[lunar shell]

probleme is its doesnt match quite with the shadow

I guess we can say he revived Toki, she healed her, and he revived Oden

kinda weird

[thick sky]

no by revived I don't mean that he did revive him

[lyric dust]

i feel like thats too big of a stretch though

[lunar shell]

I think its not actual revive yeah, juste bringing the soul back for a time

true enought xrzen..

[thick sky]

Oden (fake oden) is here which is kinda like a revived oden (I mean oden is back, tho he's fake) and "fukurokuju is the only member of the Seven Lucky Gods credited with the ability to revive the dead."

who are the famous ninjas in history? Hattori hanzo and jiraiya are the top names, right?

[lyric dust]

people liek that yeah

[high vapor]

well if any of this is possible, its use of the time time fruit, maybe it has more capabilities to bring people foward for a time and then bring them back?

[thick sky]

??

[lyric dust]

just go find some naruto characters and look at the trivia section

[thick sky]

if it was, then it would have been oden without swords or oden with his own swords

seems like only hattori, jiraiya and danzo

[lyric dust]

https://listverse.com/2014/02/24/10-amazing-legends-of-ninjas-from-history/

[high vapor]

do we know they are the same swords?

[spice tulip]

maybe the time time fruit has an ability to turn back time for a person? perhaps thats why oden didn't have his scars? It probably has a drawback tho which kills the user

[thick sky]

they are different swords, that we know

[lyric dust]

they have the myths / legends there so its pretty cool i guess

[thick sky]

too farfetched.

[high vapor]

^

i dont think that would be a power granted from that fruit

[thick sky]

yeah and even it was oden ghost or oden time clone or projection, it would be with his own swords or without swords

[high vapor]

we know the real oden dies

[thick sky]

raizo is supposed to be stronger than fukurokuju or other oniwaban, right?

[high vapor]

and the teaser of the person who helps them has long hair

it could be odens wife swapping places with oden

[midnight thicket]

inb4 its bon clay

[thick sky]

bon clay is the most farfetched one, 500% its not bonclay

[high vapor]

no way

[deft lantern]

Oda sure got us this time really hard

[high vapor]

bon clay is alive

[lyric dust]

they were said to be rivals, thats really all we know

[thick sky]

he's in impel down

[high vapor]

i thought in the chapter panels he left and went to Iva's island?

[lyric dust]

from what we've seen though, I'd say that Raizo is stronger than fukurokuju

[high vapor]

like cover art

[thick sky]

I am really expecting fukurokuju to be double betrayer

[thick sky]

was it? lemme check

[deft lantern]

For catarina does her df need a corpse to turn into them

[thick sky]

@high vapor

[thick sky]

we don't know anything abt her df

[deft lantern]

I really hope its oden tho

[thick sky]

it will just mess the story. the story's about next gen now, the old geezers should just rest

[deft lantern]

That can give a big chance for vs kadio and big mam

[lyric dust]

i dont think thats how the 9 tailed fox works

[frozen birch]

very unlikely to be devon anyways

[unreal widget]

A kitsune (Onimaru) may take on human form, an ability learned when it reaches a certain age – usually 100 years, although some tales say 50. Common forms assumed by kitsune include beautiful women, young girls, elderly men, and less often young boys.These shapes are not limited by the fox's own age or gender, and a kitsune can duplicate the appearance of a specific person. - It can totally be Onimaru.

[thick sky]

yea according to folktales, they need to place stone or skull in their head to transform and should just have to see the face

[deft lantern]

Yeap oda said about shanks going to work on 2021 i think most likely shanks vs bb

[lyric dust]

hm really? thats interesting

[thick sky]

you added (onimaru) to a wikipedia article, right?

[unreal widget]

yes

I really think Onimaru is the only one that can make sense

[thick sky]

yeah had just read about it yesterday

[frozen birch]

Kanjuro is plausible imo

[lyric dust]

Onimaru is definitely a possibility, hes probably the most likely (though I'm personally a Kanjuro believer)

[grizzled echo]

How do we know for sure Oden was killed, what if he was transported thru time to this moment? Perhaps it looked as he died ?

[pure raven]

why would kanjuro heal them tho

[frozen birch]

we saw him take a bullet to the face, no?

[thick sky]

As a common prerequisite for the transformation, the fox must place reeds, a leaf, or a skull over its head.

from the same wikipedia article that Peka copied it from

[hollow axle]

kanjuro would just kill them whats the point of playing games

[unreal widget]

Yea, but that wouldn't be a problem for Onimaru

[hollow axle]

just slice there throat

[thick sky]

no just replying to xrzen

[frozen birch]

ppl have been theorizing Kanjuro redeeming himself at some point bc he actually valued his memories w the scabbards or something

[unreal widget]

I really don't see Kanjuro doing an 180 again

[pure raven]

yeah they didnt even talk no jutsu him

[grizzled echo]

So Oden confirmed dead? I still wanna theorize he was transported in time to this spot

[hollow axle]

he did some messed up shit and he just heals them?

[thick sky]

@lyric dust what's the chances of fukurokuju doing a triple betrayal?

[frozen birch]

yes oden dead

[lyric dust]

I think it's unlikely but definitely possible. After all he witnessed his "lord" get decapitated by Kaido, he may want to get revenge.

[thick sky]

no he can't as toki wasn't there when that happened

[frozen birch]

If he was transported from the boiling oil to this moment, he would not have clothes, he would have shackles on his limbs. He would have burns and bruises. He doesnt have any of those

[deft lantern]

Boiled and shot in the head

[lyric dust]

We also have no clue where he is or what hes doing since he disappeared like 10 chapter ago

[thick sky]

no. 17 chapters ago. he was last shown in 990

[deft lantern]

Pretty much dead

[grizzled echo]

Perhaps her powers are similar to laws, if she knows where someone is she can teleport them? I know I'm reaching here but it's ODA

[lyric dust]

ah, ah alright

[thick sky]

oden being alive would destroy the purpose of wano

[frozen birch]

"I'm reaching but Oda would reach too" LMAO

[grizzled echo]

Interesting point. Nvm then ha ha

[deft lantern]

imagine oda to say that was an illusion

[thick sky]

if that was an illusion oden wouldn't have swords or would have had enma and ame

[deft lantern]

Enma is in zoros hand right now

[thick sky]

yeah and how would an illusion/ghost/hallucination know

[brazen lantern]

My theory
It wasn't oden who healed them it, it was toki. Both toki and oden are alive. While I still don't understand how oden could have survived but it is the only way possible. Regardless of how strong luffy and the worst gen got they couldn't defeat 2 yonkos together, hence u gonna see oden killing kaido now.

[thick sky]

this is about next gen, no kusso geezeers like Oden

Oden surviving is the worst move any author can put on

[plucky hound]

Wait why do people think its Onimaru who is the fake oden?

[frozen birch]

yuka if you dont know why oden is alive, then its not rly a good theory lol

[thick sky]

I don't support that but its backed with serious facts and evidences

[grizzled echo]

Is it though? The country is still in turmoil under Kaido and there's reason for the revolt. If anything Oden somehow surviving could be the morale boost for plot armor needed for the fighters ?

[brazen lantern]

But be honest bro luffy and others couldn't 1 v 5 when he wasn't even serious and now u expect them to defeat them together

[frozen birch]

pulling in oden to beat kaido isnt logical

[brazen lantern]

Theory just states its oden not onimru or Devon or Mr 2

[thick sky]

yeah the worst move ever

[brazen lantern]

Then how do u expect them to win cuz I don't see it happening

[frozen birch]

big mom betrayal is where ive been

[grizzled echo]

Maybe it's just his spirit or some weird illusion

[frozen birch]

but tbh, it doesnt matter how kaido is defeated, it just wouldnt be oden

[thick sky]

why would spirit have two different swords than enma and ame

[brazen lantern]

Bruh why would she out of nowhere

[frozen birch]

why would oden appear out of nowhere lmao

[thick sky]

I am expecting another betrayal in this arc, but dont' know from whom

[hidden ice]

Wtf Oden appeared, gotta be fake bro

[brazen lantern]

Toki's vision

[thick sky]

that toki statement wasn't from toki viewing past, its related to raftel, oden and other stuff. the whole roger pirate know about 20 years thing

[frozen birch]

big mom has been hinted at betraying tho, her crew is against the alliance, the only thing she wants is the poneglyph, a lot of talk about pirates betraying one another from kaido's side (this is meant to discourage our main characters and weaken their alliance, but it might j foreshadow big mom's betrayal)

also we see in this chapter kaido's men are betraying him too

[thick sky]

but treating like brother and then betraying. bm doesn't seem to betray

[brazen lantern]

It's more like saving themselves

[frozen birch]

BM literally betrayed Germa in the last arc lmao

her whole character is ruthless calculating monster

[thick sky]

germa wasn't bM's brother

[fringe tide]

Yeah bm doesn’t betray just randomly eats people when she gets to starved lol

[grizzled echo]

Oh shit it's germa with their impersonation tech

[thick sky]

whattttt?

[grizzled echo]

[brazen lantern]

BM obviously cares about kaido a lot in her own fcked up way

[frozen birch]

BM has been going on and on about how Kaido owes her forever now. She's in it to get something out of it

[thick sky]

xrzen seems to be writing a serious theory

[fringe tide]

So is kanjuro still alive or is ot actually oden? Only other option is mr2 but i doubt he has any link to wano to be there

[frozen birch]

if they were really so brotherly, she wouldnt be doing this

[high vapor]

btw is no one concerned about cp0 glad that the fake smile is "gone"

[thick sky]

devon, onimaru, fukurokuju's ability, kanju's drawing and vision/illusion/ghost/timeclone

[frozen birch]

yea just foreshadowing that Momo fruit is gonna do something

[high vapor]

from the punkhazard

[proven quartz]

My friend is theorizing maybe Toki had a devil fruit awakening and is able to move around in time more freely (both forward AND back instead of just forward), and that she was the one who healed the scabbards and brought Oden to present day

but that's just a theory
a game theory

[digital horizon]

*momo gonna do something with his fruit

[thick sky]

if dekapants had really succeeded, a kaido's df is too powerful

[digital horizon]

P much

[thick sky]

damn still 10 minutes for jjk episode to air

[digital horizon]

Of course kaido himself is strong but that devil fruit can make a nigga biblical

[thick sky]

his df allows to fly, have elemental attacks, its fish fish fruit so can survive

[acoustic helm]

I believe that oden we saw is a stage actor playing odens role. He saw scabbards when he was young.
This explains:

1. Why he says they aged .
2. Different swords.
   Only 5-10% belief in this.

[lyric dust]

The thing I don't like about Toki and Oden being alive is that it completely removes the emotional impact on the story that those two deaths had. Toki covered Oden's mouth when he brought up the idea of her traveling 20 years into the future (she didn't want to hear it, as she wanted to stay with Oden). Oden sat in a boiling pot of oil (500 degrees farenheight) for an hour, and was then shot in the head by Kaido. After getting shot, his whole body fell back into the pot of oil and the crowd finished his signature saying, making for one of the most emotional and amazing moments in the entire series. Him being alive devalues this scene, and I'm like 99.5% sure that Oda won't do that. Not to mention that Oden has no scars from getting shot and from sitting in the oil for an hour. (For reference, boiling oil is a common cause of 3rd degree burns, which take months to heal and leave behind a scar. Oden has absolutely no scars at all, and his skin is completely fine which just... doesn't make any sense. The gunshot wound would also definitely have left a scar, cause he would need to get it patched up / get the bullet removed from his head through surgery or something). The Oden mentions that the scabbards have aged a lot, though some of them look almost identical to their appearance 20 years ago (Kawamatsu, Kin'emon, Raizo, and Ashura).

[tame orbit]

Dude it’s so crazy! I just saw a tik tok not too long ago where a guys theory was oden was alive. He said his theory was how equally similar two panels were of Roger,whitbeard and oden and how the other was identical with luffy, ace and sabo

[thick sky]

yeah completely agree. saying this from 3 days ago. btw is 500 fahrenheit around the same as 300 degree celsius?

[digital horizon]

Dont worry oden ain't alive

[thick sky]

!patterns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/728691851556552744/unknown.png

[pure raven]

100% it s Kozuki Toki who helped the summarizes

[acoustic helm]

I believe that oden we saw is a stage actor playing odens role. He saw scabbards when he was young.
This explains:

1. Why he says they aged .
2. Different swords.
   Only 5-10% belief in this.

[tiny abyss]

Unfortunately Oda has ruined many emotional deaths before, so clearly he doesn't mind doing that. It's true that none of those characters had as much build-up and power as Oden, so that might be a factor, but saying Oda wouldn't make a super emotional death scene only to backtrack it later is just wrong

[thick sky]

how??? care to explain??

[thick sky]

which emotional deaths did he ruin? except pell

[lyric dust]

Kin'emon and Raizo have the same appearance since they were sent to the future, but thats besides the point, yes, oil is about 300 C / 572 F

[craggy kelp]

my first thought was kanjuro but it doesnt make any sense to draw oden

[thick sky]

yeah. don't understand fahrenheit scale that much so that's why I asked

[pure raven]

Are spoilers allowed here

[acoustic helm]

I believe that oden we saw is a stage actor playing odens role. He saw scabbards when he was young.
This explains:

1. Why he says they aged .
2. Different swords.
   Only 5-10% belief in this.

[thick sky]

if the scanlations are already released, then they aren't spoilers

so 1007 chapter scanlations are released, so don't worry, this server doesn't have strict rules like Black clover and others

[craggy kelp]

the only one who has a df to imitate oden is bon clay but it doesnt make any sense either

[thick sky]

devon.... onimaru has the ability too

[pure raven]

Ok

[lyric dust]

DERRICK ROSEEEEEE lol i like it

[craggy kelp]

i dont think he does

[thick sky]

he has. its based on kitsune folklores and kitsunes can

[acoustic helm]

What do you think about this

[thick sky]

A kitsune (Onimaru) may take on human form, an ability learned when it reaches a certain age – usually 100 years, although some tales say 50. Common forms assumed by kitsune include beautiful women, young girls, elderly men, and less often young boys.These shapes are not limited by the fox's own age or gender, and a kitsune can duplicate the appearance of a specific person. - It can totally be Onimaru.
Courtesy of @unreal widget

[tiny abyss]

top of my head: pell, who you already mentioned, bon clay against magellan and lola and chiffon's dad not being killed by oven. also, it wasn't that emotional, but conis' dad should not have survived enel's lightning. none of those characters were as important as Oden, true, but still

[pure raven]

1- oden said to the summarizes <you aged quite a bit>
2-Oden has his swords and we know that zoro has enma
So Oden is from the past
And toki Devil Fruit allow her to send herself and others forward in time

[acoustic helm]

Look at those swords

[thick sky]

oden's death is what this whole arc is based upon. others death no. pound, conis's dad, they aren't the least important. and bon clay against magellan wasn't said to be dead. a janitor wouldn't kill prisoners (unless he's a lunatic like shiryuu)

[grizzled fog]

Well he doesn’t have his swords

[pure raven]

So the person who helped the summarizes is toki

[acoustic helm]

I believe that oden we saw is a stage actor playing odens role. He saw scabbards when he was young.
This explains:

1. Why he says they aged .
2. Different swords.
   Only 5-10% belief in this.

[spring goblet]

This being a Kanjuro drawing is very probable. Perhaps Kanjuro joined Kaido's side just like Denjiro did.

[acoustic helm]

That's means okiku is weak

[thick sky]

1. kinemon and kiku didn't age
2. oden didn't have enma and ame. he couldn't have it.
   3.its not oden

[craggy kelp]

double crossing again?

[grizzled fog]

Where did this idea that Toki’s fruit creates copies come from?

[pure raven]

Or maybe it s this women

[thick sky]

bye guys. jjk just aired now

[lyric dust]

Ashura barely aged as well and Kawamatsu looks very similar to his appearance 20 years ago
cya goronyaa btw

[craggy kelp]

last time we saw kanjuro he was defeated by kinemon

[thick sky]

she already died and bon clay has her df

[grizzled fog]

Kiku, not kin

[acoustic helm]

I believe that oden we saw is a stage actor playing odens role. He saw scabbards when he was young.
This explains:

1. Why he says they aged .
2. Different swords.
   Only 5-10% belief in this.

[craggy kelp]

do you think momo and yamato have sth to do with it😅

[acoustic helm]

Nah

[craggy kelp]

everything seems so improbable

[acoustic helm]

Not this

[pure raven]

I have a bad memory

[solemn ravine]

Clone clone would belong to someone else then if she's dead

[nimble hinge]

You believe he has that ability. No proof of it yet.

[grizzled fog]

Bon clay has the mane mane

[solemn ravine]

Doesn't rule out katarina devon

[lyric dust]

Devon is a possibility mostly bc of Blackbeard but yep

[mint egret]

Two weeks of the pain of figuring out who this Oden actually is

[worthy breach]

that fruit can only imitate faces that user touches, and cannot transform the exact clothes, im talking about bon clay's fruit

[solemn ravine]

I would guess the 9 tailed fruit user would still need to see the original person, no?

[worthy breach]

devon has the ability but i can't really make any assumptions between oden and devon

[lyric dust]

I've expended almost all my brainpower trying to figure out an answer and I cannot form a good enough theory with evidence that isn't contradicted

ODA WHY

[worthy breach]

i'd say that it's one of clones like what vinsmokes' has but where tf that clone could come from

[grizzled fog]

Onimaru makes by far the most sense but it just sounds so boring

[pure raven]

i feel odens appearencd and the person who treated the scabbards must be related

[solemn ravine]

And my guess is back to the rooftop in 2 weeks so oda can torture us more

[lyric dust]

some people have been theorizing that Hiyori has an illusion devil fruit that she used to create an Oden to... motivate the scabbards (?)

[solemn ravine]

Hybrid form - how about a month of other things?
Oden - hehe....

They were about to go join the fight again why for motivation?

Also their comments about who helped them heal seem like they could point to Toki
I really think they should both be dead for the story but maybe setting up momo to leave and join the crew?

[kind gate]

Lmao if hiyori is parading as Oden Jack about to kill her

[lyric dust]

yeah, they make it seem like its toki, but who knows, it could also be hiyori and they're surprised she was even at onigashima, ugh, i hate break week

[pure raven]

Could toki have sent oden into the future too when he sunk into the soup

[nimble fox]

Time to review oden's soup scene

[grizzled fog]

Wym when he sunk into the soup

[lyric dust]

we know nothing about her powers, so we dont know if its possible or not.

[pulsar minnow]

I really hope it’s not the theory people keep pushing that it’s Caterina Devon because if BB shows up then there’s 3 Yonkos in Wano

[nimble fox]

In his flashbacks he always eats super hot oden with no problem. And he lasted dragging in the ocean for just about 3 days. Is it possible that oden in oden was returned the saving favor by his wife? But I assume his body was there and all that.

[grizzled fog]

Do you think eating super hot oden makes you capable of surviving boiling oil?

Not sure where this idea that Toki’s fruit creates copies of people came from, but it’s most definitely not true otherwise the scabbards’s bodies would’ve been found in the castle when it burned, but they were never found. And I doubt the fire could reduce all their bodies to ash anyway

[pure raven]

If oden die survive that it would be just another notch on his belt of great things he has done so i dont think it would be very surprising

[grizzled fog]

You should find it incredibly surprising

[lyric dust]

"super hot oden" you realize the "bath" he was sitting in was boiling oil which is 300 degrees Celsius / 570 degrees farenheight? That shit will give you a 3rd degree burn if you evne tap it.

[pure raven]

It would do that fo normal humans but its iden and its not real he prolly could walk on the sun

Oden gotta be dead tho, else its simply bad story writting and oda dont do that

[night jewel]

he himself knew that he isnt surviving it lol

[lyric dust]

see thats where you're wrong, nobody can walk on the sun

[pure raven]

And then toki will come too and they will have a family reunion lol

[night jewel]

read what oden said

[pure raven]

Im pretty sure its the fox and the future fruit user

[kind gate]

I feel like at this point Oden surviving is the most unlikely theory

[grizzled fog]

It is

[night jewel]

yea definitely

[lyric dust]

it shouldn't even be a theory, its so stupid

[grizzled fog]

Bon clay escaping from impel down and coming to wano, and somehow having touched oden’s face is more likely

[kind gate]

It would take a certain about of magic ink to make me not mad oden survived

[pure raven]

Fudge, well whatever it is it prolly is someone evil

[nimble fox]

Yea I think this oden is an imposter. it was dropped fully onto us in a split second. But we should also consider how it could be real. Oden might be able to survive boiling oil with haki. Dude lasted far longer than any human in the first place so why are you trying to apply reality to it

[pure raven]

U dont think the the future fruit user and fox?

[past bluff]

Boys I am perplexed at this ending

[lyric dust]

he said haki oh no

[kind gate]

I feel like the feat would be too much as, he had no contact with the scabbards and if he was alive why not train luffy, zoro, and sanji for the final fight

[pure raven]

Idk man but stealing peeps faces is creepy like leatherface

[nimble fox]

I also considered that it could be a kanjuro drawing

Didn't he already display that he has been faking being a bad artist?

[kind gate]

even if this Oden somehow someway possessed Odens fighting abilities and memories I think it would have to be tokis powers
and even that has a less than 2 % chance of happening

[pure raven]

Yes yes but i think the sabs really really killed that dude

[glossy thorn]

this oden cant be an impostor

[void lintel]

Onimaru and Hiyori most likely at this point

[grizzled fog]

why not

[cinder radish]

When oden is sus👀

[glossy thorn]

it cant be catarina devon, cuz bb is in that island that xebec had
( i forgot the name)

it wont be onimaru

[pure raven]

True true also it doesnt fit the thematic of old gen vs new

[ashen juniper]

BB said they are setting sail to somewhere

[glossy thorn]

yeah

[pure raven]

I think thats has to do with sabo and the revo

[grizzled fog]

While Devon is unlikely, that’s not evidence against it, since Devon was seen there more than a week ago

[pulsar minnow]

It’s perospero in a spray painted Oden Candy suit

[grizzled fog]

Why not?

[glossy thorn]

they never said that onimaru and the scabbards have a connection, onimaru only had a connection to kawamatsu

[ashen juniper]

onimaru right now is most likely although Kanjuro also make sense

onimaru and hyiori where both in ringo it make sense they worked together

[glossy thorn]

and if i remember correctly onimaru says that his duty is fulfilled now that kawamatsu has returned

[pure raven]

But someone healed the scabbards and that someone was right there before oden came, or not? So it kind has to be 2 people

Wouldnt it make sense: time fruit lady and fox
Then they talk to scabards, motivate them, remind them of oden etc
And then we see scabards fighting with a diffrent kind of force like hyugoro or whatever that geezers name is

Sorry that was pretty headcanon of me

[ashen juniper]

u say its toki?

[glossy thorn]

its either hiyori,toki or the actual oden

nothing else makes sense to me really

[thick sky]

kanjuro?

[ashen juniper]

toki power is too op for her to be in the main story

[pure raven]

Why does it actually being oden make sense to u?

[glossy thorn]

but its just my opinion

[grizzled fog]

It’s definitely Hiyori and Onimaru, those are the best options atm

[thick sky]

not op really

[ashen juniper]

she can just move Kaido 1000 years to the future

[glossy thorn]

oda barely kills off characters

[thick sky]

yeah, but I still don't agree about transforming to motivate oden

[pure raven]

True but like sugar, every op fruit is nerged by the user of by haki

[ashen juniper]

but sugar was enemy

it make sense that your enemy is strong

[grizzled fog]

I’m not totally sold on why he’s doing this now either tbh

[pure raven]

True but roger, whitebeard, ace and oden died ( as far as we know)
All of them motivated other characters etc and made sense story wise

[ashen juniper]

having both toki and tama in the same arc helping them is too much

[glossy thorn]

what youre saying makes sense

[ashen juniper]

unless its in flashbacks

[thick sky]

yea right. putting together the evidences, they are the only pair who match but their motive isn't just convincing

[glossy thorn]

yeah i guess it cant really be oden

[ashen juniper]

Those are my thoughts:
Onimaru - most likely especially when we see the smoke on the floor. The problem is why would he pretend to be Oden.
Kanjuro - also very possible, but don't explain the smoke.
Katarina Devon - The problem is that as far as we know she don't know who is Oden, although Blackbeard do.
Geko Moria - unlikely but still possible, we know that bodies in Ringo are not decaying because of the cold.
Hyori - also unlikely but it was probably her on the roof so she may have a devil fruit
also could be someone from Bigmom pirates like Mont Dor, but like Katarina Devon they also not suppose to know who is Oden.

[thick sky]

the whole wano arc is happening due to oden's sacrifice

[thick sky]

for kanjuro, he got a deserving death but it doesn't feel right, to find out he's a betrayer and not get to know his real abilities. but him being alive would again show scabbards to be notcautious or weak. Onimaru's highly likely but the motive doesn't make sense to me.

[pure raven]

Sorry to ask but how did kanjuro die again?

[ashen juniper]

Kinemon killed him

[pure raven]

Thanks

[thick sky]

it was offscreened so we don't know

[ashen juniper]

but I dont think Kanjuro is dead
He is a really good liar so he probably just faked his death

[thick sky]

kinemon was shown to put an amigasa atop his head

[ashen juniper]

and it was too easy

[pure raven]

Fits a traitors death tho, just like orochi

[junior cape]

Wtf is going on with 1007

[thick sky]

him against 9 scabbards who were able to injure kaido and sustain a battle against him,

[ashen juniper]

Kanjuro fighting style is more of a trickery then actualy brute force

[thick sky]

yeah but they are fighting a yonko to take back wano. they wouldn't be not-cautious

[glossy thorn]

Onimaru- Cant possibly be cuz he says that his duty is over after kawamatsu comes, his only thing was to protect the swords
Kanjuro-Maybe, But i dont think his powers would let him create something that can talk and think. but we dont know the limits plus he might be dead
Katarina Devon- we dont know how her powers work, but we can assume that she has to see or touch the person, so thats highly unlikely
Hiyori- Very much possible, but i dont understand why she would disguise herself as oden
Toki- Possible , but again dont understand why she would disguise herself as oden

these are my thoughts on this

[pure raven]

Do we know which swords oden has?

[glossy thorn]

yeah

wait not these two

[ashen juniper]

good reason for hyori to hide her identity is because they didn't want her to fight cause she is a woman

[thick sky]

random swords

[glossy thorn]

makes sense

[pure raven]

Maybe it gives some clues? It could confirm if its the fox if we seen the swords down in the sword hall thingy

[glossy thorn]

the swords shown there arent named so we cant figure that out

[ashen juniper]

but even if its Hyori we got too much cloning fruits so if its new fruit im leaning to illusion one which doesnt explain why she hid her identity

[pure raven]

Alright

[glad egret]

Oden's swords have clover shaped guards the ones at the end of the chapter are circle

[ashen juniper]

besides didnt they took all the swords from Ringo?

[glad egret]

yea im pretty sure

[thick sky]

its just some random swords. zoro was using a similar patterned sword back in his hometown

[pure raven]

Thanks for clarifying

[loud ibex]

🤨🤨🤨

[ashen juniper]

well I guess who ever he is he can just pick some random sword in the battlefield

[patent sail]

Ppl have posted that image and I’m still not convinced it’s anything but Toki reassuring Oden he’s not going to die.

[limber latch]

this may sound stupid, but i think Oda forshadowed oden being was gonna be alive.

pls dont bully me

[loud ibex]

Idk now that feels like a stretch only kinda belive it is because ace and roger have the same bandage

[thick sky]

!patterns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/728691851556552744/unknown.png

[thick sky]

prolly the fifth time I did this today

[loud ibex]

Hahahahahaha

[kind gate]

lowkey I prefer this than devon

[pure raven]

This aint stupid this is typical oda

[weak arrow]

The only semi decent options are onimaru and Kanjuro painting

[thick sky]

would prefer even enel using electricity to trick their brain or fukurokuju doing psychokinesis to Oden being alive

[pure raven]

U kinda convinced me that him being alive is still a valuable option.
I got my bets on the fox and time fruit lady
BUT
What if the time fruit lady maybe was able to bring him back to life with her fruit? We havent seen her, so maybe she awakend it, died herself but was able to bring oden back
( headcanon, just had to speak it out)

[rain crag]

Would even prefer if shanks had a oden oden fruit than the actual oden

[pure raven]

Let’s be reasonable here folks

[kind gate]

ehhh I feel like any form of PERMANENTLY bringing Oden back is bad

[pure raven]

Agree, but both pics he showed do have some juice to them

[ashen juniper]

well the most reasonable option is that someone ate the mythological zoan human fruit model Oden

[weak arrow]

This is a serious channel for serious theories.

[kind gate]

Chopper awakened his human human fruit and combining it with 3 rumble balls allows him to turn into any human

[weak arrow]

Meme all you want about theories in #manga and #also-manga

[kind gate]

okay adam

my crackhead theory is that Toki made a time clone of Oden. But how it works is that she turns into the time clones she makes, so it's toki but she's the Oden time clone right now and she can only keep the form for a limited amount of time. It would grant her Oden's abilities to help fight Kaido.

[thick sky]

my reply to it- its crackhead

[kind gate]

no

[rain crag]

Geez wtf did i just read

[kind gate]

whats wrong with it technically it could work
don't disrespect my genius

[thick sky]

did drake transform into his respective dinosaur form, attacked a number and then again transformed into his human form?

[ashen juniper]

I think it was hybrid form but basically yes

[kind gate]

ignoring my question I see

[thick sky]

no sorry abt that. i was rereading wano alongside talking in this channel and when I was typing this you hadn't sent your message

[kind gate]

oh no problem lol

[rain crag]

Whyd they show left picture specifically?

[thick sky]

maybe oden's normal attire

[ashen juniper]

cause it was oden first time apearing

[kind gate]

I mean kawamatsu did claim to see him so whoever transformed likely did it in the room
But regarding the hiyori and onimaru thing, why would the scabbards need more motivation

[rain crag]

Hmm it just looks like he has shorter robe and different swords

[pure raven]

True true
He much smaller etc

[kind gate]

could just be folding it above the strap

[thick sky]

hitotsu.: we only know that toki's fruit allows her to travel ahead in time. We can't just randomly guess df abilities, and time clone is just too farfetched.
futatsu.: toki's dead.
mittsu.: This is about newer generation. Kusso geezers should just enjoy their afterlife.

[ashen juniper]

kawamatsu also know onimaru and gyukimaru so it make sense its them

[tawdry oriole]

?

[kind gate]

I agree but thats why its crackhead

is onimaru a spirit?

[rain crag]

Nvm he has long robe on this panel

[ashen juniper]

we dont know what he is

[thick sky]

yes. showing you whats wrong with your GENIUS CRACKHEAD theory

[rain crag]

But the thing with sabo was anyone couldve guessed he was alive

[thick sky]

he's a kitsune. a fox which are in japanese myths and folklores

[rain crag]

But there was no signs of oden being alive

[thick sky]

sabo's was clearly meant to be alive. that dragon returning to the ship panel

[ashen juniper]

besides if Oden is alive it will destroy all of Momo story so far

[rain crag]

Yes

[kind gate]

I hope he is or can speak to them, I hope the plan is to get Oden's spirit to talk to the scabbards and then to the supernova on the roof
Motivating someone like luffy would make much more sense

[rain crag]

It will destroy the whole point of scabbards and all the 20 years of wait for rebellation

[tawdry oriole]

crackhead toki theory makes more sense since its Oda we r talking abt

[kind gate]

Or maybe tokis fruit can just record messages and this one was Oden(knowing he would die and after seeing the future) motivating the scabbards and the supernova

[thick sky]

why would he have swords, moreover not his own swords

[ashen juniper]

but this is not a messege he is reacting to them

[tawdry oriole]

he gave away his swords on the first day

[kind gate]

I think either way this is going to be a message that will make its way to luffy and em

[tawdry oriole]

when he was in jail

[thick sky]

this panel had made it kinda obvious

[tawdry oriole]

random swords and proper attire makes sense to hype up his retainers

[kind gate]

yes so its possible it was recorded then, I don't think its too farfetched to think this is Toki's secret power over the timeclone thing

[rain crag]

Yeah i know specifically the part of call the doctor i was immediately like ok its sabo

[ashen juniper]

but if Toki sent this message didnt she suppose to know their location

[kind gate]

either way I don't think this is an impersonation

[tawdry oriole]

cloning is too farfetched....but him going there for a moment holds a chance

[kind gate]

maybe she was the one who healed them

[kind gate]

him going there is worse because they can't go back in time

[thick sky]

a character opens the door (opening door sfx is there) and walks in and it is oden (fake oden, will projected, what ever you call it) if it was a recorded message, would it have movement like that

[ashen juniper]

that pushing it too far
Toki fruit is too op to be in the main story

[rain crag]

I think its pretty much confirmed to be onimaru
But why does everyone keep saying that hiyori doesnt wanna be seen. Did i miss something?

[kind gate]

but how did kawamatsu claim to see something.

[tawdry oriole]

yeah this is where toki crackhead theory comes wch is similar to the cloning thing but better

[thick sky]

kawamatsu asked hiyori to hide, not come to the battle

[ashen juniper]

they prefer she won't fight cause she is a woman

[kind gate]

I think a message is the best case scenario

one of my theories will come true just watch

[tawdry oriole]

yeah...not much fighting and stuff just straightning their path...who knows he can even guide zoro how to enma

[rain crag]

Well i think its the generic "dont come to the battlefield princess"

[tawdry oriole]

stop

[rain crag]

Still?

[kind gate]

lmao but how would she make her way through unharmed

[thick sky]

spirit, clone seem too farfetched enigma

[thick sky]

been seeing this for 3 days straight. Oden, luffy, roger too have had that pose, mate

[unreal sedge]

i mean, personally not a big fan of the devon theory

but damn these poses are similar

[rain crag]

Omg tda your a genius!
Is that what you wanted to hear?

[kind gate]

But why would the scabbards suffer, heal and go back to suffering

[unreal sedge]

my guy, i'm not supporting this

[thick sky]

rayleigh don't be toxic. he feels like he noticed something and is sharing that. tho I too am really irritated from seeing that again and again

[tawdry oriole]

Devon theory almost debunked

[rain crag]

Bro everyone keeps coming with this shit pose thing

[unreal sedge]

tho it'd be funny af if oda did that pose on purpose so readers thought devon

[kind gate]

hold on they suffered at the port, then they suffer on the roof, they suffered 20 years ago, and now they suffer again

[thick sky]

yeah its really irritating, seeing the same image again and again

[ashen juniper]

the problem with Devon is that she don't know who is Oden

[grizzled fog]

Thats not necessarily the issue, she could

Oden had a bounty poster plus BB was apart of WB’s crew

[thick sky]

trying to prove the devon theory, but it doesn't just work. nothing's there that makes perfect sense

[kind gate]

why would she come to wano

[thick sky]

df hunting could be the reason for it

[kind gate]

don't tell me its for the disguise fruit and shadowclone jutsu

[ashen juniper]

I mean know Oden more that what the public knew
Like knew about his connection with the scabbers

[thick sky]

and could be motivating scabbards to fight kaido, more opponents kaido have, more they will wear out

[rain crag]

But they want sabo's fruit lol

[grizzled fog]

I’m not advocating for Devon but it could be for the ponelgyph, or devil fruits

[thick sky]

yea

[grizzled fog]

They can go after more than one thing at once

[kind gate]

bb must want a full closet
to be looking for kins fruit

[thick sky]

but the best source of action for bb is a full-force attack on tottoland

[ashen juniper]

I really hope its devon cause I want to see bb
But I know it most likely not her

[tawdry oriole]

Devon theory
1.smoke effect got nulled by the entry
2.swords should be same since we know BB is a perfectionist and he knows Oden
3.only reason she can be in wano is through the power balance shifting and they also got Moria who has a grudge on Kaido

[grizzled fog]

Well the swords aren’t the same

[thick sky]

saying that he could motivate scabbards, make them fight, make kaido wear out and hunt df once the battle's over

[rain crag]

Without BB dont think so also bb moved when he saw the news from paper we all know wano is closed off so no news goes from there. So debunked?

[kind gate]

montblanc noland would also survive and kill bb

[patent sail]

Majority on this discord voted Onimaru overwhelmingly so that’s good to know. Just a few ppl coming up with some outrageous theories.

[kind gate]

even all of them worn out would be able to take down devon

[kind gate]

why not
If I had said Oden you'd have called be crazy

[thick sky]

I am not the fan of that theory, just saying that its not impossible or she has motive to be in onigashima and transform into oden

[grizzled fog]

Depends on what kind of info, for instance BB definitely knows that kaido is in wano and he has a road poneglyph, also Big mom has proven it is possible to gain info about wano despite it being closed

[kind gate]

oh okay

[kind gate]

he could be going to alabasta or wci

[thick sky]

yes and for those wondering abt timeline. raid's weeks after that chapter 956 incident

[tawdry oriole]

only Law knows who the helper r

[solemn ravine]

But also why did this Oden go to the treasure room

[kind gate]

he's most likely connected to the healer

[hasty bolt]

what if the previous ope ope no mi is the one who saved oden

[rain crag]

.. .

[hasty bolt]

what

[solemn ravine]

Shows up to onigashima, sees/feels the presence of kaido and maybe BM, samurai in deep shit in the main room (I know it's okay with Marco and...chopper lol) and is like wait lemme check the treasure room

[kind gate]

this is meth

[thick sky]

if you hear the word treasure room, you'd expect ponegylph to be there right?

[unique mica]

no

[pure raven]

I have now accepted that these next two weeks are going to not abide by the channel description.

[solemn ravine]

Can't ope ope immortality recipients still be killed? I thought it was only age immortality

[solemn ravine]

How so

[kind gate]

no way they just waltz around with those robots around

[solemn ravine]

Everyone literally theorizing right now

[unreal sedge]

did someone post the pic of the sword comparison yet

[errant oxide]

This is a serious theory

[thick sky]

yes hours before @unreal sedge

[pure raven]

'Oden is alive' theories are fine but it was obviously going to descend into shitposting theories.

[hasty bolt]

can you at least try to explain why it wouldn't work instead of just saying no

[solemn ravine]

The brothers put on potara earrings and became Oden

[rain crag]

Even this is better than actual oden showing up

[unreal sedge]

its probably that fox

[patent sail]

If the theory is funny I’ll excuse it

[hasty bolt]

it makes sense if the previous doctor with the ope ope no mi would save oden and grant him eternal youth no? what do you guys think

???

[rain crag]

Jumping soooooooo many hoops here

[grizzled fog]

You realize eternal youth means eternal youth, not immortality right?

[kind gate]

[grizzled fog]

That wouldn’t save oden from boiling in oil and getting shot

[hasty bolt]

yes but you do realize you can literally fix and teleport people with it too

[rain crag]

What? When?Why?

[thick sky]

i don't understand if you are shitting around or being stupid

[rain crag]

Lmao

[hasty bolt]

i don't understand why you can not explain why i'm wrong instead of just saying "no, ban him" legit so cringe

[unreal sedge]

Kaido's boro breath has hallucinogenic effects

[patent sail]

Joking bro

[hasty bolt]

oh ok mb

[thick sky]

is there any ope ope no mi user shown in wano.

[errant oxide]

Law

[rain crag]

You are saying the ope ope previous user and then saying he saved oden
And then saying the previous user lived in wano
And then saying he saved oden when he was boiling in oil for an 1 hour and shot
Do you really need explanation?

[hasty bolt]

he can tp him out and fix him, we have seen previous fruit users in wano yeah it's not that farfethched

[ashen juniper]

The fact that you cant contradict something doesnt make it true
I can make a theory that zoro is luffy mom and you wont be able to contradict it

[hasty bolt]

and we saw oden survive almost everything but yeah the shot is a bit much

[rain crag]

Its not a theory more like what you want it to be lije

[grizzled fog]

Not everything that’s theoretically possible makes sense, theoretically kizaru could’ve gone to wano and saved oden from the pot at the speed of light, then princess Mansherry or whoever had her fruit could’ve saved her. You understand why this makes no sense yes?

[rain crag]

We saw someone smiling in the oil in a panel too

[nimble hinge]

Yeah, like Devon being Oden. Theoretically possible? Yes. Retarded? Also yes.

[tawdry oriole]

i dont support this but Devon and buddies can show up later to ransack

[hasty bolt]

you're not explaining how it doesn't work, you're just explaining why i can't say my theory

[rain crag]

So theoretically you are saying the previous user swapped someone else with Oden? Because we saw SOMEONE smiling after death

[hasty bolt]

i mean wouldn't it work?

[thick sky]

Vemqi gave you a perfect analogy to why your theory wouldn't work and how its rather a fanfic than a theory

[rain crag]

Are you a naruto fan or something

[hasty bolt]

ok let's just assume it was the dudes that went with zoro yup that makes so much mroe sense

[ashen juniper]

its cause there is nothing in the story that give any sign of this to happen
nothing about the prev user using the surgery
nothing about it being in wano
nothing about why would he even want to save oden

[thick sky]

as I said, his was more like a fanfic than a theory

[hasty bolt]

someone said it was more believable than him beign alive and like what no

[tawdry oriole]

it's BB who knows....will he go to a marine infested kingdom or halfdead island..i leave it to your imagination

[rain crag]

We are saying that its Oni.aru not dudes

[ashen juniper]

and there are much more things that never mentioned for it happen

[rain crag]

It was a joke lmfao

[thick sky]

oh sorry I wasn't trying to ping you. I was replying to tino. sorry

[tawdry oriole]

nvm

[hasty bolt]

the channel says "SERIOUS THEORIES only"

[rain crag]

It was only 1 picture my guy

[kind gate]

I-

[rain crag]

And we said even this is better than actual oden showing up out of nowhere

[nimble hinge]

An island where two Yonko have just allied together, and have made a declaration to find One Piece. Yes, BB, their direct competitor will show up to that.

[hasty bolt]

my theory works better than the dudes stacked on top of each other, you can say that at least

[ashen juniper]

besides Luffy never kill so if Kaido will die it make sense it will be bb

[rain crag]

You are referring to this yes?

[kind gate]

bb will never show up to the place where bm and kaido are fighting, he would get destroyed

[nimble hinge]

That's the point I'm making.

[thick sky]

your theory speaks of a hypothetical ope ope no mi user. for dudes stacking up theory, we atleast know these two dudes

[kind gate]

oh lmao

[nimble hinge]

That he's not going to show up to Wano to fight. People overhype BB so much. Apparently he's a genius, but also thinks he can take on two Yonko who are allied

[ashen juniper]

bb will never show up to the place where whitebeard and the wg are fighting, he weould be destroyed

[hasty bolt]

it's the only theory that makes sense in my head that would work in this situation, we have also seen previous users of fruits in wano and it works with timelines i think

[tawdry oriole]

he knows the fight been going for a while and he never underestimated luffy once so who knows....this is better choice than fighting marine head-on

[quaint shoal]

If Moria joined Blackbeard, then they'd know how to get in and out of Wano

[kind gate]

its not like wb was old and injured lmfao

[hasty bolt]

true

[thick sky]

your theory is just talking on hypothetical. theories must be backed with something substantial, else they are fanfic or headcanon

[ashen juniper]

but still he is known for taking advantages of situations

[rain crag]

Again we are not really dissing you or your theory
Just saying that you are jumping way many hoops to make your point
So much so that it turns into something that YOU want it to be

[thick sky]

^^^

[kind gate]

tino according to your logic we might as well say it was the tontatas that saved him

[hasty bolt]

no because the tontatas is a race that was on one island where anyone could havethe fruit

[kind gate]

no situation to take advantage of as of yet

[hasty bolt]

so bad example

[ashen juniper]

get kaido or bm fruits

[tawdry oriole]

btw BB hv 3choice
1.headhunt warlords
2.alabasta ransack
3.wano

[thick sky]

tottoland too. its lightly guarded and a whole yonnko crew can definitely handle it

[kind gate]

the probability that the supernova will win is still very low

[hasty bolt]

why would he ransack alabsta?

[thick sky]

pluton

[rain crag]

Also mariejois?

[pure raven]

So, quick theory, everyone caught up here?

[hasty bolt]

ahhh true true

[thick sky]

yeah mate. hurry. wanna hear a good theory once in a while

[kind gate]

no he would get his shit rocked by like 5 admirals

[ashen juniper]

that why they will need a little push from bb

[rain crag]

Dont say devon oh god pls

[kind gate]

bb takes extra damage do you think he can survive a thunder bagua????????

[tawdry oriole]

well only to get mansherry(op fruit)? they wont gain much since they themselves want to be the wielder and grow....not like use others

[thick sky]

tottoland is big mom's place

[hasty bolt]

we have not seen him take extra damage, just that it hurts more

[tawdry oriole]

i misread

[queen arrow]

he feels more pain, not take extra damage

[ashen juniper]

he is just being hurted more not being injured more

[tawdry oriole]

what was it called tontawaa or something forgot

[pure raven]

People still at it with the Blackbeard theories wow

Okay, so...everyone is saying oden is a drawing, or it’s onimaru. I think it’s Devon from black beard pirates. Black beard always comes in to third party a big fight. It would make sense if it’s her and there first target are the samurais. If it’s not her. Then I think it’s oden from the past and toki brought him to the future. Or another version of him since tokis power have more then just traveling through time

[thick sky]

tontatta are the people, green bit is the place. tottoland is bigmom's place

[queen arrow]

the Tontatta's homeland is Greenbit on Dressrosa

[tawdry oriole]

mixed up my bad

[kind gate]

either way how would he fight, it doesn't seem like he's very fast
would get obliterated

[hasty bolt]

that's true, he's slow but super strong

[ashen juniper]

but u need to consider that bb is a schemer who know to manipulate others

[ionic wigeon]

Toki has za warudo

[kind gate]

but speed is kaidos card
I don't think any character can take a thunder bagua and still stand, except bm and whitebeard

[ionic wigeon]

Uh shanks

[rain crag]

@pure raven What ? When? Why? How?

[kind gate]

manipulate who ???? while getting hit by kaido?

[hasty bolt]

i think there are a couple characters but speed isn't kaido's card either, kaido is super strong and really good in 1v1s not just fast

[queen arrow]

Kaido is pretty fast, but why would you assume Blackbeard is slow?

[kind gate]

his speed and durability makes the difference

[rain crag]

I dont think we know kaido enough to tell why he cant be beaten maybe he was experimented on a lot?

[tawdry oriole]

BB main power is nullify and destruction now and he got 2yr xp

[ashen juniper]

he manipulated the whole wg to give him the shichibukai title
also the one who cause the war
and also was able to enter impel down and get strong crew

[pure raven]

Black beard would take advantage of anyone that’s weak or tired after a fight

[kind gate]

from what we've seen I just assumed

[pure raven]

thunder bagua...

[kind gate]

no he turned in rogers son

[hasty bolt]

durability yes but he's not known to be super fast or anything, i legit don't remembre him beign fast anywhere especially in his dragon form

[tawdry oriole]

by now i think he can just nullify thunder bagua easily

[pure raven]

lmao school em fola

[kind gate]

what

[hasty bolt]

when is he shown to be super fast

[kind gate]

[pure raven]

bro he literally went from onigashima to ashura doji's village in seconds tino while he was drunk

[queen arrow]

Thunder Bagua on Luffy

[pure raven]

I think that’s the only way of beating 2 emperors, with oden back then ya it’s possible

also yeah thunder bagua

[grizzled fog]

Kaido was literally so fast luffy couldn’t fully dodge the thunder bagua even with future sight

[hasty bolt]

that was luffy flying straight toward him no?

[rain crag]

Again none of the information got out of Wano yet. How would BB even know of a situation happening in a closed off country. He saw him leaving after reading the paper

[kind gate]

maybe but its still one of the most unlikely scenarios

[ashen juniper]

but he never intended to be a shichibukai, his bounty was 0
and that also a good scheme he did
he was on whitebeard ship for 20 years and kept low profile to have no bounty
even chopper who considered a pet have bounty, so someone on Yonko crew dont

[kind gate]

[queen arrow]

no

[rain crag]

Arsal still thinks its Kanjuro btw?

[pure raven]

@rain crag idk anything Is possible, oda is unpredictable and black beard is a snake and sailed on Whitebeard ship, he knows a lot and probably about wano too

arsal wants anyone except real oden

[hasty bolt]

i'll have to check the scene again but if i remember correctly, his strength and durability were alien but speed was not

[tawdry oriole]

how did bonney escape from BB and Akainu?

[rain crag]

About current situation?

[pure raven]

bonney is yonko level

[kind gate]

he wanted to be a warlord so he could have access to impel down

[tawdry oriole]

is she fro the void century?

[grizzled fog]

His speed is incredible too

[pure raven]

@queen arrow god bless you man

[ashen juniper]

that exactly my point
he is a schemer who think few steps ahead

[rain crag]

More than likely from the lost kingdom

[queen arrow]

@hasty bolt look at the image i posted

[pure raven]

@rain crag no about wano, idk about current situation. But If oden is really back from toki then it’s over

[kind gate]

'but he never intended to be a shichibukai, his bounty was 0
and that also a good scheme he did
he was on whitebeard ship for 20 years and kept low profile to have no bounty
even chopper who considered a pet have bounty, so someone on Yonko crew dont'
who's words?

[hasty bolt]

what chapter is that

[queen arrow]

1001

[tawdry oriole]

how did she know sabo

or whoever was in maryjoi

[ashen juniper]

ohh I mispelled wrong, ment the exact opposite in the first line

[rain crag]

Huh? You are talking about O toki?

[pure raven]

it's got something to do with kuma's kingdom it'll probably be explained later

[hasty bolt]

this imght sound dumb but we literally don't see luffy move and the first 1v1 luffy flew straight toward him, speed isn't the strong side of him, it is very impressive but it's stil lthe durability that makes kaido the strongest creature

[tawdry oriole]

bonney and kuma must know each other i guess although it seems very surprising to her when she saw kuma

[kind gate]

oh aii

[pure raven]

bro tino this ss literally says he couldn't dodge it with future sight

[queen arrow]

Luffy was bouncing in place, he didn't fly towards the Thunder Bagua

[quaint shoal]

Until proven otherwise, my headcanon is that Bonney is Kumas mom

[kind gate]

no no no no no

[queen arrow]

you can see Luffy there bouncing in place on the upper left

[tawdry oriole]

so Kozuki clan was so big back then

[queen arrow]

and then Kaido moves super fast

[rain crag]

Oh you are talking about Bonney. Then no Bonney is from the kingdom where Kuma is from as well

[pure raven]

I'm pretty sure Kuma and Bonney and shit will get their own arc, also with Vegapunk etc

It feels like Oda wants to give all of the Supernovas their own major roles in something, too, so Urouge and Bonney still have tod o something

[rain crag]

Do you guys think we get a big backstory of Kaido?

[kind gate]

own arc??

[kind gate]

def

[pure raven]

It feels like it, yeah, tied to the revs

[hasty bolt]

true ok yeah he's faster than luffy, i haven't said he's slow but his durability is still what makes him the strongest creature and what makes him him, it's not like kizaru is the strongest creature

[rain crag]

Yeah no not enough time for an entire arc maybe 10 or so chapters max