manga-theories

[hollow dock]

then who is rain god?

[pulsar salmon]

rain god prob the earth god

eh acutally idk

god of forests and god of earth could be the same

[raw scarab]

because it gave mortals the chance to live out their dreams, including hope

[lunar acorn]

why is it called "void century"?

[raw scarab]

Imu is not about that

[hollow dock]

if rain god and earth god is same then he is also the forest god 😭

[pulsar salmon]

bc nothing is known abt it

[lunar acorn]

how so, we know so much about it

there's so much about it still there

30 poneglyphs, ark noah, this mural

books from ohara are in elbaf

[final bloom]

they call void century cus the gov is trying to hide that fact of 100 year

[pulsar salmon]

^^

[lunar acorn]

sounds like the entire giants culture know about this sun god, and others as well

the kid failed to erase anything, he half assed it

[raw scarab]

there is also probably a case where the WG appropriated basically some of the ideas of the old kingdom, but destroyed otherwise most of the knowledge. Knowlege about many devil fruits, gods...ect.

Kind of like Rome and Ancient Greece a little bit.

[iron loom]

The wind fruit is a zoan

[lunar acorn]

if he/she doesn't want the public to know of the events of these 100 years, why not concoct a fake history for that period, to not raise suspicion, maintain continuity and prevent anyone digging deeper? keeping it as "100 years of unknown" is sus even to a 8 year old kid

[tiny roost]

if there is a Rain God it has to be Dragon

he has the fruit connecting to it i mean

[lunar acorn]

could it be rain god = sea god? there's no mention of rain god in the harley scripts, but he's only mentioned in the skypiea flashback, and at the same time there's no mention of sea god in that flashback

[kindred cobalt]

Forest god created the devil fruits, although whether its a god or a phenomenon is debatable

[tawny osprey]

Ho lee FACK I keep staring at that last panel and the Harley and every single time I notice more

[raw scarab]

I think we also need to remember that mentions of Sun God are different from 'the sun'. Killing the sun or the sun returning is referencing nuclear/mother flame capabilities.

[kindred cobalt]

Anyone know whats up with the factory and people going down with those puffs/stars and coming up with halos?

I think it might have something to do with making the mother flame and something went wrong with it in the past

Hence "forbidden star"

[cunning iron]

I'm not sure if there's really a rain god embodied by a real person, even though it's mentioned in the Harley text and back in Skypiea...I mean Luffy is the "sun god" but his power is in no way related to sun itself

[raw scarab]

this one is really hard, and could be vague. Part of it is using the engine of civilization (mother flame), to somehow alter people to become something else (giants, fish people...ect.)

[tiny roost]

so do you think that by being the "Sun God" it just means guardian or protector of the sun?

[neat grail]

Can i post a tiktok i saw? Its the best interpretation i've seen on the 3 worlds

[kindred cobalt]

I just looked at it again and maybe its possible that its the ancient kingdom making mother flame?

[raw scarab]

yes, or feeding it. Or it can be a case where harvesting the mother flame has mutation effects.

Oda likes his limited scientific basis in things, so slaves somehow used the sun to create new life, or even a person with divine like powers

"god of the sun" is in quotation marks throughout this to note

unlike the other gods

I believe humanity designed their own savior being

[cunning iron]

In the case of Luffy, for me the "sun" meant brightness and joyfulness, freedom etc, what a slave would want instead of despair and enslavement, but nothing related to the real sun it seems. BUT the last chapter mentioned another "sun", so maybe this epithet has a deeper meaning related to something we have yet to discover

[raw scarab]

the return of the sun is the mother flame

which was destroyed/removed in the second world

[cunning iron]

I'm eagerly waiting for Viz' translation too to see if the return of the sun refers to "return of Nika" or "return of the mother flame", or return of "joy and freedom" after centuries of enslavement and darkness 🤔

[raw scarab]

correct. As of right now, there is no nika/joyboy mentioned in the second world

but the engine of war, the mother flame, seems to be a big deal

[cunning iron]

I know, I want to agree with you

The mother flame in itself doesn't seem like a bad thing, until it's misused, maybe that's what happened back then, it wasn't planned originally to be used in a destructive way but the part that says "the sun spread seeds of war" seems to imply that it was used in such a way that it created the circumstances for the 2nd war

[old obsidian]

Share in dms pls

[cunning iron]

Tcb's translation is quite different compared to the rough version, "serpent of fire" vs "serpent of hell"

[lunar acorn]

there's buggy in the mural

[tawny osprey]

I think this is pluton aka the ancient kingdom a giant city battleship if u look closely it also shows Poseidon and the Noah so it 100% shows original Uranus and pluton we just have to find out what is what and I almost gaurentee the bottom right is pluton but I could be wrong

[iron loom]

Ancient advanced civilization that harnessed the sun

[sonic sail]

the hardest part is that it could either be people going down with the star thingy and ascending with the halo (humanity going the god route) or people going down with the halo and coming back with the star (their "pureness" of the soul extracted, hence humanity "falling" like the devil)

[iron loom]

The stars representing pieces of the sun which we assume fed the mother flame

[quaint haven]

The flying ship shooting lightning probs

[iron loom]

Does the gray apparatus next to the buildings kinda look like an elephant?

[quaint haven]

Gotta be some sort of machines from the advanced kingdom

[iron loom]

The flying ship is the maxim

Enels ship

[quaint haven]

The lightning is striking the tree in that image, they coloured the bit hitting the tree brown but u can see its lightning hitting the tree

[quaint haven]

Maybe maybe not

Enel wasn't alive then

Assuming the user of that sane power left in the moon in a wooden ship is a bit silly

[rich quarry]

I dont remember did Enel build the maxim from scratch or did he make it able to fly again?

[iron loom]

Not enels specifically but I believe it’s the same concept

With a Lightning user

Either that or

It’s Uranus

[quaint haven]

I'd say its pluton

[iron loom]

That would also point to the apparatus inside the gray thing being pluton

Since pluton can’t fly

Like Uranus can

I think the ark we see inside what I believe is the elephant is the ark from fishman island

[sonic sail]

enel's ship is powered by electricity, but the original where he took the concept was powered by the sun's power, IMO

[iron loom]

Hence why it could be built upon Uranus original design

Since it is a flying vessel

[sonic sail]

agreed

[iron loom]

I’m curious about this rain god

[sonic sail]

I do believe Uranus is related to the sun god, Pluton to the earth/forest god and Poseidon to the sea god of course

[sonic sail]

i'm on the dragon's df train rn

there's no stopping us now

[iron loom]

I think joyboy used Uranus to reset the world

[crystal minnow]

i think the red line is the serpent

[iron loom]

Yeah that’s what I think as well

[sonic sail]

maybe there were no seas on the original planet, hence why the sea rejects the DF, since they're alien to earth

[iron loom]

If it’s moved we can get Sanjis all blue dream

[crystal minnow]

i also think man with the burn scars got burned by a demon or the red line and he might be the sea god

[iron loom]

I think it had seas but very little, I believe the world probably resembles ours where it was mostly water with large masses of land

And then it was all sunk

Now the entire world is ocean and island

[crystal minnow]

and maybe thats why the silhouette guy is waiting for luffy

because hes the sea god

[iron loom]

Luffy is going to connect the seas in the story

I definitely know that

[iron loom]

I’m curious about the silhouette guy with the crown

On the gray apparatus

It’s too far back for it to be Imu

But maybe not

Perhaps he’s on the second world piece of the mural

[crystal minnow]

imu is definitely not the sea god like people are saying tho

imu would be happy if joyboy lost

he wouldn’t curse every user

[sonic sail]

i mean, I do believe the story didn't start on earth, but on another planet tho

[iron loom]

I think he’s like luffy where he inherited a fruit

Earth god fruit

But idk his abilities aren’t very fruit like

[iron loom]

The world of one piece isn’t called earth

They never gave it a name

The story starts on the moon

[crystal minnow]

the first story

talks abt earth wym

[iron loom]

That’s where civilization was

But we have 2 races confirmed from the moon

And enel went there believing a god lived there

It’s also prevalent piece on the mural

[crystal minnow]

it sounds like they fled earth too the moon when the earth was burning but idk

[iron loom]

Yk what maybe

That’s a very good theory

[sonic sail]

yeah i mean we need to see the official tl to see if earth is related to dirt or to the planet

[iron loom]

The planet of one piece has never been given an official name

[sonic sail]

i said earth because it ressembles us,

[crystal minnow]

fr its gonna be so much easier then

[iron loom]

Like what we call earth

[iron loom]

Yes

Omg wait

I was right

It is an elephant

And it is the fishman ark

Inside of the elephant looking thing we see animals and two blue headed people

I assume those are fishman

[iron loom]

yes ty

[quaint haven]

Better translation

[iron loom]

On the right of the giant we can see what looks like an elephant with a king figure on top and an ark boat thing on the inside

also inside are animals and 2 people

Which I think are fishman

And the ones harvesting the stars are slaves

[sonic sail]

yes brother, so let me explain better my theory: I think there was a civilization on planet A (the right side of the panel) and their planet was on the verge of destruction because they started to mess with infinite energy, they fled to Planet B (one piece world, or "earth" on quotes so we can relate to), but before colonizing earth they estabilished a base on the moon. Planet B native life is made of giantified creatures, because their planet is really large (if we compared with Planet A). The races we see on one piece rn are offshots of the original alien and original giants (and they also mixed)

[iron loom]

Yes this

I think it’s a zunesha ancestor

[sonic sail]

hence why the ark on the right side, on zunesha, contains 2 of each animal

because it's an ark

[quaint haven]

Yes that's definitely zunesha. What's weird is imu is atop of him so this implies to me that this is AFTER joyboy died/disapeares

[iron loom]

Including 2 people

[sonic sail]

taking the life out of planet A to planet B

[iron loom]

Which I believe are the fish man

[quaint haven]

The flying ship is shooting lightning at the tree

[crystal minnow]

I lowkey think half moon and full moon means they’re on the moon but too earth it looks like it changes from half moon to full moon

[iron loom]

We also see the ark at fishman island too

I think half and full is luminaries and skypieans

As they are both races from the moon

[quaint haven]

Half moon = figarland family maybe

[sonic sail]

i think half moon could also mean the D

[iron loom]

I see what you mean

[sonic sail]

🌓

[iron loom]

Why do the luminaries have flames on their backs huh?

[sonic sail]

its a D

[iron loom]

And wings

[quaint haven]

What I don't get is the bits at the end... they won't meet again ect

[iron loom]

Yeah I gotcha a half circle

[quaint haven]

Who needs to meet

[sonic sail]

because they were the sun god people

Nika probably was a lunarian god/leader

[quaint haven]

Just their weird powers

[iron loom]

I think it’s referencing the characters mentioned in each piece

[quaint haven]

That's their race

[iron loom]

The god of earth and the world serpent

Would not meet again

Those of the moons dreamed evoking the wrath of the sea god

They won’t meet again

[sonic sail]

and since the lunarian are his people, they could have a trace of the flame, since nika was related to the sun

[iron loom]

The voice of the half moon and the sun god

Will meet again

Monkey D. luffy

Very strong D. Theory

Good call

[sonic sail]

honestly, about the wings it's just an artistic choice so we can actually differ those native from the planet from those who came from the space

[iron loom]

Yeah I agree

[sonic sail]

yeah i mean luffy is both, maybe what the fruit needed to awaken was a strong willed D

[iron loom]

D being the half moon

Yeah

And luffy being the sun god

I think you’re spot on with the d being half moon as I’m looking at this mural more and more

They weren’t referenced until the 3rd world which is where we have all of our D members

[sonic sail]

one of the weird things I see is that looks like "Imu" on the left side is some sort of fusion between the 2 beasts on the right side

it is a dragon, but sly as a serpent, and he has the spikes on his back just like the serpent on the right

[tiny roost]

if Imu really took Lilis body, what if Zunesha helped Imu thinking it was her?

[crystal minnow]

hmm i dont think the monsters are imu

[raw scarab]

It is hard, because I see the lunarians as the fire serpent. They may have been enemies against humanity

[sonic sail]

yeah maybe they arent imu but i think both on the right fused

they merged into one being

[sonic sail]

what if i told you i think joyboy is half lunarian?

[crystal minnow]

does the red line have any white on it?

or sum

[raw scarab]

I wouldnt be surprised. I think Lunarians felt like they were gods, and destroyed a lot, but they ultimately were betrayed.

A small army of lunarians are arguably the most powerful force on the planet. 100 of them would have enough power to level continents.

[sonic sail]

not if the native people on earth where the ancient giants

[quaint haven]

Iv read it all again a I see why the giants have 2 myths about nika.

The first world he rose to save the slaves

The second world he rose to start war.

[raw scarab]

hard for giants to fight creatures a mile in the air unleashing fire serpents the size of a mountains

[sonic sail]

like the OG giants, the ones who wielded the giant swords on Wano and Elbaph

[quaint haven]

So that's why there's 2 seperate versions I'm their myths

We know there was 2 whereas they don't maybe

[sonic sail]

like GARGANTUAN giants

[iron loom]

Isn’t joyboy a giant?

Or half giant?

Doesn’t Imu have his hat in his possession?

And it’s massive

[sonic sail]

maybe he was a buccaneer

[raw scarab]

we are not sure if those giants were an actual race or just a few. If the giants and those races were created by mother flame, there might have only been a couple titans produced.

[sonic sail]

yeah but compared emeth's size to joyboy's on that panel where they are talking

[quaint haven]

He doesn't look giant next to Emeth in flashbacks but does look larger than a normal human so half giant would seem fair

[sonic sail]

there's the theory there were 4 of those and they guarded the 4 sacred trees

[iron loom]

Maybe its not a hat at all but a statue in commemoration of joyboy

Who knows

[crystal minnow]

WAIT NO

THE RED LINE

HAS

EXES ON IT

SO DOES THE MONSTER

ON THE RIGHT

[iron loom]

Yes

[crystal minnow]

so it’s definitely

the red line

[raw scarab]

people wear Xs too. Those could be individuals flying in a formation (the snake)

(Xs are all over the place in one piece)

[merry fractal]

On the Left Side, we can see quite a lot of races/tribes, but it looks like there are 2 minks but no seakings? seems a little over-represented

[raw scarab]

Xs could mean allies fighting together or a tribe

[quaint haven]

Right god of the forest wove their magic

Only person with magic is imu

[raw scarab]

I mean God of the forest just might be Adam and Eve

[quaint haven]

Nurturing it's demons

That's imu 110%

[crystal minnow]

ohhhh is the red line becoming angry is because of the sea god?

and then the demon fought

the red line?

[raw scarab]

Sea God is Imu

at least in my view

[crystal minnow]

no it sounds like the sea god is on joy boys side

[raw scarab]

how?

[merry fractal]

Could definitely be about devil fruits, not whatever void magicks Imu and Gorosei are huffing

[crystal minnow]

sun died and the sea god is mad

why would imu be mad at that

[raw scarab]

yeah, the mother flame. So far the translation is very specific between the sun, and the sun god.

[crystal minnow]

gng what

[quaint haven]

Could be. But imo imu grants the elders their powers which are demons sn uses magic to keep them alive, transport them ect

[iron loom]

I think the god of the forest is where our fruits come from

As fruits usually grow on trees

[quaint haven]

That first paragraph if world 2 is 100% imu

[lapis panther]

Didn‘t imu also transport those two to Elbaph?

[raw scarab]

there is no mention of nika/joy boy it appears in World #2

[crystal minnow]

but we know he did cuz of joy boy

[raw scarab]

sure, he was around, I am talking about the mural

[rich quarry]

TCB updated that part, it doesnt really say all that

[quaint haven]

That is demon black magic

[iron loom]

Can someone pin this

[crystal minnow]

oop can ya show it

[strange meteor]

I had a theory where Imu defeated an ancient dragon-type beast back then and put it on themselves, which would be the origin of concept of the jacket-jacket fruit. Maybe what we see depicted is Imu and their allies fighting that beast before they "claim" it for it's power/abilities

[raw scarab]

not necessarily, I think you have to think the whole thing. Oda likes a bit of misdirect.

[raw scarab]

I think the 2nd world could mean humanity destroyed the mother flame, and Emu got engraged by this.

[quaint haven]

Well what iv said isn't obvious, but what we do know is the elders powers aren't devil fruits, or atleSt they don't sct like devil fruits, theh are invisible almost, use black magic to teleport, live for very long times. The narrative in that paragraph fits my theory perfect

[brazen drift]

imu is not the sea god the sea god is mad at the creation of devil fruits

[raw scarab]

yes, the sea god could have made it so you cant go into the sea with them

[iron loom]

Imu is our god of earth

[quaint haven]

I think it's referencing killing joyboy

[iron loom]

He inherited its abilities

[crystal minnow]

and thats why vegapunk had to make it again yah?

[iron loom]

Same as joyboy

[raw scarab]

so every mention of the sun is joyboy? Why would oda not be consistent in the mural then?

[brazen drift]

evoking the wrath of the sea god means that anyone who eats a devil fruit cannot swim that is the origin of that rule

[iron loom]

Nika

[raw scarab]

yes, the sun 'will return' in the 3rd world.

vegapunk created the mother flame again

[rich quarry]

#also-manga message

[quaint haven]

No just the 2nd world bit

[iron loom]

Every mention of the sun is nika and his abilities

[quaint haven]

Joyboy = 2nd world

[iron loom]

The sun that will meet with the voice of the half crescent is Luffy

[brazen drift]

nika 1st world?

[iron loom]

Yes

[brazen drift]

sun god rose

[quaint haven]

Nika is all 3 that's the devil fruit

[raw scarab]

yes, Nika is the sun god. The sun is something like the mother flame.

[quaint haven]

However yes in old text references to nkka seem to be more world 1

[raw scarab]

Nika may have been created by the mother flame

[brazen drift]

the sun is not the mother flame in this prophecy the "sun" is luffy

[crystal minnow]

no

[iron loom]

I believe neither joyboy or nika were in the second world

[crystal minnow]

he’s lowkey right

[quaint haven]

Sun is just the nika power

[crystal minnow]

also no because nika came from that sun

[quaint haven]

Says who

[iron loom]

I believe the sun referenced in the second world is the prayer to the sun god

[crystal minnow]

when the slaves wished him?

[iron loom]

Nika came from the sun

In theory

but I believe he was manifested

From the slaves

[crystal minnow]

this makes sense but i just don’t understand who the god of the forest is

[iron loom]

I think manifestation is real and that is how we got the fruits

[quaint haven]

Nika aka the devil fruit came from the same place all devil fruits come from

[crystal minnow]

yah from the sun

[brazen drift]

we dont need to knmow who the god of the forest is it just implies that devil fruits began to grow

[quaint haven]

Why would a fruit come from a sun

[iron loom]

I believe the fruits are manifestations of the godly powers from the first world

[crystal minnow]

we def do

[raw scarab]

its a good question. Gods are likely people who amassed advanced technology/power. Mortals who sought to be immortal. The sun god was created not to rule, but anti-rule. Why the other powerful beings god angry. Just my view. Nika was a living weapon.

[crystal minnow]

gng that’s literally how the slaves wished it up

[quaint haven]

Its not litteral

[brazen drift]

nika was a warrior of liberation

[quaint haven]

Alll slaves wish for a savior

[raw scarab]

The mother flame, nika, ancient weapons, devil fruits are all from ancient civilizations using technology to alter the world and reality, to become gods.

[crystal minnow]

hmmm also why is imu able to eat fire if hes a sea god?

[quaint haven]

Nika is the warrior of liberation. The fool.

[raw scarab]

I mean how well does fire do in the sea

[iron loom]

I know the origins of the dragon

[quaint haven]

The monkey god in Japanese stories suits him

[brazen drift]

the people and concepts of the first world got manifested into fruits in the second world which enraged the sea god and now luffy who was born in third world and unite everyone

[crystal minnow]

i mean we seen luffys fire burn in the sea which is an imitation of aces fire

he might be a sea devil

[raw scarab]

I mean we see ice admirals and magma admirals go it deflecting.

[crystal minnow]

and the sea god

[quaint haven]

Wishes don't just come true. There would of been some sort of magic

[iron loom]

The ones who defied themselves I believe are the people of the planet and the defiance was consuming the devil fruits

During this time joyboy and nika were not present

[brazen drift]

do you guys think when it says "the world drifts in a void, yet time does not erase the memory of the promised day" means the world will end completely

[crystal minnow]

it says the half moons dreamed and the full moons dreamed and then the sun died ig from overuse

[raw scarab]

remember Luffy has to burn down the Eve tree for victory. It feeds on the sea. Although destroying it will destroy fishman island.

[brazen drift]

deified themselves meaning they treated themselves as gods

[quaint haven]

Defied themselves could also be a reference to betraying joyboy.

Aka the ppl who caused his demise were tricked to do it

[iron loom]

You’re right actually

[quaint haven]

Hence forth he couldn't carry out his plans to defeat imu

[iron loom]

Why would the sea god be angry over humanity referring to themselves as gods

[quaint haven]

So those ppl defied themselves, maybe that's why imu is atop of zunesha an why zunesha was condemned. Zunesha played a roll in joyboys demise unintentionally

[iron loom]

I think it’s the fruits

[raw scarab]

Anyone notice the lightning beam hitting the bottom of the tree? Creating a hole in it? The only thing that can damage the red line?

[brazen drift]

could be enels ark

[crystal minnow]

aint the red line a beast

[raw scarab]

I dont think the red line was ever alive. But in metephor yes.

[brazen drift]

the tree may not have been shown at all yet

[raw scarab]

well we know there is a tree right below where the celestial dragons live

[late elm]

It looks more like the lightning is coming from the tree becuse ther is no end line on the bottom of the bolt. We might be able to Interpret it as the tree trying to stop the arc maxim from attacking the flying creature

[quaint haven]

I think the red line was built solely so the nobles are always above the known floods that destroy the world

[iron loom]

I believe enels ark is built in reference to Uranus

[quaint haven]

They know its coming

[iron loom]

The redline is the world serpent

That separated the world

And shrouded it in darkness

[brazen drift]

yeah i think the red line was built its manmade

[rain belfry]

It’s metaphorical, the world is still going to exist just without Imu

[iron loom]

I think the world serpent laying itself across the face of the planet separating the oceans into four

Shrouded the world

[crystal minnow]

the beast on the right is definitely the red line

[raw scarab]

yes, I think its one of the first things built. The power of the mother flame could do crazy things.

[late elm]

Also for this image I noticed today why do you guys think there are oars placed near the king figure? It doesn’t look like a boat he’s on and some people have been interpreting it as zunesha he’s standing on https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477571830941614080/1334970672660615318/image.png?ex=679e77d2&is=679d2652&hm=c02cd041b67276deb13512cf42daf71395762e0efb4eedcf3868422efadf63e5&

But why oars

[iron loom]

I don’t think it’s zunesha specifically but an elephant defendant that potentially consumed the ark we see

Inside it

And the oars represent control over it

Like it was a ship

[quaint haven]

Fire serpent that burns non stop sounds very familiar to the power kanjuro used in terms of its power to burn

[crystal minnow]

hasnt he been alive since the void century

[rain belfry]

Could represent it piloting zunesha

[brazen drift]

it could be what zunesha is being punished for

[rain belfry]

He’s been alive for 1000 years

[late elm]

I don’t think oars are used as representations of control much

[iron loom]

He has yes, but we are looking at rhe 2nd world depiction

[brazen drift]

participating in a war

[rain belfry]

He’s almost as old as the era of slaves

[raw scarab]

it does look like an elephant, but that might also bee a fakeout. I think it shows Imu moving towards the eve tree, and the lighting bolt is showing where it hit right below Imus home

[iron loom]

Maybe

Yk maybe

[rain belfry]

The 2nd world is the void century

[late elm]

I feel like if it was going to represent control it would be showing a direction that the figure is going to indicate pointing

[iron loom]

The third world is the void century

[crystal minnow]

what

[quaint haven]

Definetely

[crystal minnow]

no

[iron loom]

“Chaos reigns, the world drifts into void”

Literally the first thing said

The second world is the introduction of devil fruits

[rain belfry]

You need better reading comprehension

[quaint haven]

3rd world is supposed to be current day

[crystal minnow]

third world is the present

[quaint haven]

It said so

[iron loom]

Bro no

3rd world is referencing the future

[crystal minnow]

Gng

[iron loom]

But it’s the void century

[brazen drift]

yes third world STARTS with void century

[ivory urchin]

What’s with Gunkos eye

[iron loom]

the end says surely this time they will meet

Being the sun god

And the voice of the half crescent

[rain belfry]

No the third world started after the void century

[ivory urchin]

Gunko imus daughter?

[brazen drift]

time does not erase the memory of the promised day is referring LITERALLY do the prophecy or mural

[crystal minnow]

guys second world is abt imu

[quaint haven]

Third world is present day

[brazen drift]

no dude the first sentece IS void century

[iron loom]

“The world drifts”

[brazen drift]

WE KNOW

its present day but began with void century

[iron loom]

Third world is void century into present day

[crystal minnow]

gng its saying eventually the sun god will win

[rain belfry]

No she just has weird eyes for character design

[late elm]

I posted this yesterday but What do you guys think the timeline options are:
Image 1: Second world both sides attacking the middle.
Image 2: Each world represented by the part under it.
Image 3: The first and second world while the third world is untold yet.

[raw scarab]

the third world might include the void century

[rain belfry]

Each world is represented under it idk how it could be anything else

You read right to left it’s literally so straightforward

[brazen drift]

CHAOS REINGS is the world government succedeing in erasing history or at least attempting to causing the VOID CENTURY drifts into a void. time does not erase the memory of the promised day because they still have hope for the sun god to return and unite the world

[late elm]

Number 2 bothers me becuse of the flying figure fighting the serpent. If it was a separate world why are they connecting

[iron loom]

“Chaos Reings, the world drifts into void” “yet time does not erase memory of the promised day”

[raw scarab]

I think people debate if the left side is what has happened, or what will happen.

[iron loom]

The far left is I assume the war joyboy lost

[rain belfry]

Stylistic but could also just be the two beings are fighting at the same era

The far left is the current era

That Nika is Luffy and his allies

[iron loom]

Yeah you’re right

Actually

[late elm]

1 and 3 make more sense to me. Both sides defending the tree from the outside

[iron loom]

Well

I think it’s the joyboy fight

And Imu had the mother flame

And defeated him with it

[raw scarab]

I dont think the dragon is Imu, however I think it is connected to Imu if that makes sense.

[rain belfry]

That tree is the tree where devil fruits were formed

[iron loom]

it will also be the future fight too though

[rain belfry]

It happened in the 2nd Earth

[iron loom]

Where Luffy will assemble the world to fight against Imu and the mother flame again

[brazen drift]

joy boy most likely always faces off against imu but joyboy lost last time and luffy will finish what joyboy started

[crystal minnow]

when was the picture made fr

[iron loom]

We see the nika figure fighting alongside lunarians which is impossible if it’s the future

Since they all dead

[late elm]

His doenst make sense because king is the last lunarian and emeth was just destroyed in egghead. And we haven’t seen any ancient giants except oars and oars jr in the story and oars jr lost his leg.

[brazen drift]

king will probably fight alongside luffy in the fight against imu

[iron loom]

Yes

[brazen drift]

kaido too

[iron loom]

King of beasts

Which I assume is

The white fox looking creature

[rain belfry]

Yes king will fight alongside luffy and franky already looks a lot like emeth already

[iron loom]

In world 3

[rain belfry]

It’s a new era

[crystal minnow]

when was it madeeeeee

[rain belfry]

You see the minks, the fishmen, samurai etc

[rich quarry]

Also from the prophecy we have for the third world you wouldnt be able to draw all these things on the left side

[brazen drift]

they really just wanted to support joyboy but blinded by the fact that kaido wanted to BE joyboy once he accepts that luffy is him he will support him

[late elm]

Even if that happens where is another giant robot that looks exactly like emeth

[iron loom]

The mural is all of past events

Everything depicted is the past

But the mural

References

The future

[brazen drift]

it was made in the middle of the void century

[rain belfry]

It’s a prophecy you can just draw the prophecy

[late elm]

You’re saying that that’s franky and not emeth???

[rain belfry]

Yes

[iron loom]

You’re smokin

[late elm]

So only franky is fighting with luffy and no other straw hats?

[iron loom]

It’s obviously emeth

He fought alongside joyboy

[brazen drift]

its most likely emeth but franky could be the current era emeth like emeth was to joyboy in his time

[iron loom]

Yeah maybe

[rain belfry]

It’d be too on the nose to have a guy w a long nose, a samurai w 3 swords and a fishmen. The sword and shield represent his crew

[late elm]

Alright that’s just ridiculous

[crystal minnow]

hm it was made from a viking or wtv yah?

[rain belfry]

We obviously see that’s luffy

[late elm]

How

[rain belfry]

How?

[late elm]

Since when does luffy have a sword and shield lol

[iron loom]

It’s not luffy

It’s joyboy

[rich quarry]

Giant kid most likely

[brazen drift]

yes they refer to it as graffiti but its a prophecy written during the void century

[late elm]

Do you not remember like 3 chapters ago when nika/joyboy are shown to us with a sword and shield

[rain belfry]

It’s symbolic

[iron loom]

It’ll only ever show nika

Symbolizes the sun god

[rain belfry]

And before that he had a spear and sword?

[iron loom]

Whether it be joy or or luffy

[magic kayak]

He will draw one

[rich quarry]

It was never outright stated that the mural depicts the harley prophecy

[brazen drift]

the fight on the left is joyboys fight which luffy will paralell in current day

[late elm]

This is in Elbaf the giants know him as having a sword and shield

[rain belfry]

It’s very obviously the harley prophecy

[rain belfry]

No it’s going to be luffy

[iron loom]

Yes

Thank you

[rain belfry]

Imu is literally already fighting for the mother flame

[rain belfry]

So?

[brazen drift]

yes which imu has probably done before joyboy tried and failed

[iron loom]

I assume Imu lost the flame in his fight with Joyboy

[brazen drift]

its GOING to be luffy but it was also joyboy

[iron loom]

Hence why vegapunk had to make one

[late elm]

These are the only plausible timelines. Either it is the second world and the people near the tree are defending from the people on the outside or it is the first two worlds and each one is separated by the tree.

[rain belfry]

It is Luffy

[iron loom]

No

It’s not

It’s joyboy

[rain belfry]

It’s luffy

[brazen drift]

stop being so dense

[iron loom]

fr

It will be luffy

But it’s not depicting luffy

[rain belfry]

You people didn’t read the Harley’s then

[iron loom]

It’s depicting joyboy

And his fight

[brazen drift]

it WILL be luffy but it was based off joyboy AND the sun god when he returns which is luffy

[rain belfry]

Joyboy died

[brazen drift]

i have it pulled up litterally split screen

[rain belfry]

In the 2nd world

[iron loom]

No

[rain belfry]

That Nika is the 3rd world

Aka luffy

[iron loom]

Brotha

[brazen drift]

the fight doesnt depict anyone winning dude

[iron loom]

No

[brazen drift]

its a FIGHT

joyboy lost so luffy can reflect him and win

[late elm]

Critical thinking is hard for some people

[rain belfry]

And obviously Luffy is gonna win

[iron loom]

There is only 1 image of nika on the entire mural being at the 3rd world

which is joyboy

In this instance

[rain belfry]

Yes and that represents Luffy being the sum of all the previous nikas beating imu

[brazen drift]

we arent saying its NOT GOING TO BE LUFFY were saying its more nuanced than that

[rain belfry]

It’s not nuanced

It is Luffy

[iron loom]

Joyboy became the god of liberation

Or whatever they called it

[rain belfry]

Very straightforward

[late elm]

Fire must mean it was on fire

[iron loom]

Nika was referred as the warrior of liberation because of joyboys feats

[brazen drift]

you were proven wrong so now youree acting like a troll and going to say you were jopking its fucking embarrassing

[rain belfry]

I’m not trolling

[brazen drift]

can we move on

[rain belfry]

I am telling you what it says

[iron loom]

You’re trolling

[rain belfry]

Because you don’t know how to interpret poetry for some reason

[rich quarry]

you are telling what you think it says and being wrong

[brazen drift]

any mods can mute this guy

i just wanna talk abt something else

[rain belfry]

Sure

[brazen drift]

thank you

[iron loom]

Let bro have his own false narrative

[rain belfry]

The gods knights are Greek gods

[iron loom]

Whatever

[kindred cobalt]

Do you see the extra moon between the box for the first and second world?

[iron loom]

Joyboy is the Warrior of Liberation not the Nika that was beckoned by slaves

during the 1st world

[crystal minnow]

oh that’s just what the kid thinks luffy will look like

[late elm]

I think the original nika freed the slaves from the first world and fulfilled people’s dreams. Nika was betrayed and killed and his death caused the fruition of devil fruits. Joyboy inherited Nikas will through his devil fruit and fought imu and failed.

[crystal minnow]

in third worlf

third world

[brazen drift]

100% true

[iron loom]

The reading doesn’t necessarily mention that nika freed the slaves

Just that the god of land was angry

[brazen drift]

thats all we know for fact so far

[iron loom]

I assume the god of land being

The king

[rain belfry]

He freed the slaves hence why the era of slaves ended

[iron loom]

The god of land was enraged and set the world on fire

[late elm]

This also explains the they will not meet again at the end of each world. Imu va nika = Nika dies they will not meet again. Imu vs joyboy = joyboy dies they will not meet again. Imu vs luffy = imu is defeated they will meet again. They = the dawn of the world.

[iron loom]

The slaves weren’t free

[crystal minnow]

nah looks like the first one failed cuz the word went inti darkness

[iron loom]

Slavery is still present in the story

The slaves harvested the sun and worshipped it which pissed off the king and wiped everyone out

[rain belfry]

Yes but it’s less prominent, the era of slaves was characterised by oppression of the other races

[brazen drift]

yeah its basically saying that whoever was most powerful and enslaved everyone was mad at nika, had a serpent of fire

[rain belfry]

It was when the fishmen got sent down to fishmen island and the tontatta were rnslaved

[crystal minnow]

they all died how is it less prominent….

[rain belfry]

Slavery is less prominent

[iron loom]

Yeah the god of land I assume is the king as we can see a kingly figure atop zunesha which I assume he used to punish the slaves

Banish them via the ark

To fishman

[crystal minnow]

we see the slaves under the first world

[rain belfry]

Imu is the god of the earth

[rain belfry]

Yes because that’s the era of slaves

[iron loom]

Yes

[rain belfry]

Wherein oppression was rife

[iron loom]

Imu is our god of earth or god of land

Which is just king

He’s not a real god

[rain belfry]

Then it stopped, presumably because of Nika

[iron loom]

Like nika was

[rain belfry]

The tontatta say this back in dressrosa

[crystal minnow]

nah imu is def god of the sea

[rain belfry]

That slavery stopped

[rain belfry]

Luffy is the sun, bb is the moon and imu the earth

[iron loom]

I don’t think so

[rain belfry]

Oda likes 3s

A lot

[iron loom]

I think the god of the sea is someone else

Not Imu

[crystal minnow]

The sun is different from “sun god”

[iron loom]

Imu is the king from the void century so I assume he inherited the will of the god of land

[quaint haven]

Agreed👍iv said this. The mural only shows world 1 and 2.

[iron loom]

Since Will is very prevalent in one piece

[rain belfry]

Yes

He’s the vessel for the Earth god like Luffy is for the sun

[iron loom]

The 3 worlds are all in the past

[crystal minnow]

nah its all 3 the kid just thinks luffy will look like that

[rain belfry]

Reread this sentence very slowly

[iron loom]

The world has only been reset twice

The 3rd world being the void century onward

[crystal minnow]

you said “luffy is the sun” he isnt

[quaint haven]

I don't agree. Each half of the mural depicts each of worlds 1 and 2s stories

[rain belfry]

Luffy represents the sun

[iron loom]

Yes

Luffy represents the sun in the mural

[crystal minnow]

just read the top and look at the bottom I thought the same thing too until i realized i was overthinking it…..

[iron loom]

The sun god that will meet with the half crescent moon

Is luffy

[rich quarry]

But Jarul said Nika appearing is always connected to the world changing so how can we have 2 Nika appearances in the same world

[crystal minnow]

it’s literally just

top bottom

[iron loom]

Nika was the first appearance

Joyboy was the second

Luffy was the 3rd

Joyboy nor Nika lived during the second world

[crystal minnow]

no he represent the sun god

[late elm]

Again there are so many flaws in the idea that it’s 3. Where is luffys ancient giant where is the lunarian on luffys side because king is and enemy and defeated. Where is the iron giant becusee emeth was destroyed. Who is the flying creature shooting fire. Where is the giant serpent. There are so many things wrong with saying it’s the third world becuse these and many other things don’t exist in the current time.

[iron loom]

That is when the creation of the devil fruits began

[rain belfry]

👍

[iron loom]

That gave joyboy his powers

[crystal minnow]

This is a kid from the past. Keep that in mind.

[rich quarry]

For me the creation of devil fruits and joyboy can both happen in the same world, the second world

[iron loom]

World ending events occur in the 1st and 3rd world pieces on the mural

[iron loom]

Yes

[crystal minnow]

this is a kid from void century

[rain belfry]

Yes it says that

[crystal minnow]

he’s taking a guess at the future

[quaint haven]

If I assume that's right then that would mean both king an loki join luffy...which is cool

[late elm]

Ya but you are saying that it is the third world which is the present time so where we all these things?

[iron loom]

The world didn’t end a second time until the events after the void century

[crystal minnow]

yes indeed

[rain belfry]

The void century ended after the war so the 2nd world ended after they killed Joyboy and established the WG

[crystal minnow]

yah the the drawing is made before it ends yah?

[late elm]

It’s not Loki it’s An ancient giant. It has darker skin and is multiple times larger than the other giant in front of him. And he has horns like an ancient giant.

[rich quarry]

Yeah void century ending marking the end of the second world makes the most sense to me

[iron loom]

No bro

The void century started with joyboys defeat

[quaint haven]

I don't think the world ended in a litteral sense, what we know fir sure is the world gov came to power as a result if the void century. New world order could also be the ending of a world per say

[iron loom]

after joyboy lost the void century began

[rain belfry]

The manga literally says the void century ended when the WG was established

[cunning iron]

No

[iron loom]

or likely during the century

[rain belfry]

Which was the end of the war

[iron loom]

after joyboy lost

[rain belfry]

Because you can’t establish a government in the middle of a war

[rain belfry]

Joyboy lost at the end of the void century

[crystal minnow]

joy boy alr lost that’s why the kid made the drawing

[iron loom]

After they defeated joyboy they erased the history of the world

Not during

[quaint haven]

Like i said if I assume other factors then the assumption is this is a kids imagination not drawing litterally known current characters in the present

[iron loom]

not before

[quaint haven]

Just the powers and beings an races

[rain belfry]

Yes they did because no one knows what happened during the void century

[rich quarry]

but the void century covers up the joyboy thing not the time after it

[rain belfry]

Even the giants who should be the grandparents of the current generation of giants

[iron loom]

The war with joyboy marked the end of the great kingdom

And the start of the void century

[quaint haven]

If we interpret luffy as the one holding the sword an sheild then qe are assuming that because its a kids drawing an that's how he pictures nika

[iron loom]

go back and read brotha

[rain belfry]

The void century started when the ancient kingdom fell

[crystal minnow]

Its called “void century” because nobody knows what happened gng

[rain belfry]

It’s stated repeatedly

[iron loom]

Yes

The ancient kingdom fell after the war with joyboy

[iron loom]

I do

I was there

[crystal minnow]

lol

joy boy died in void century

[quaint haven]

Void century world be 2nd world

[crystal minnow]

he lost

[iron loom]

The century following the defeat of the ancient kingdom and the war against joyboy

Was the void century

Silly gooses

[brazen drift]

laboon was constantly hitting the red line because he is at war with mariejoa

because the red line in land god in the prophecy

[quaint haven]

Wasn't lagoon trying to get other side of the line cause that's where the other whales are

[iron loom]

Laboon simply carrying out the will of his family

[quaint haven]

The line is not natural

[iron loom]

laboon was apart of a massive pod

That I’m sure fought alongside joyboy

[brazen drift]

could be

[crystal minnow]

the void century was when the kingdom existed bro

[iron loom]

No brotha

[brazen drift]

in fact hes in the mural

[quaint haven]

Can't remember if it was a theory or a fact but laboon was trying to get to the other side cause the red lines not meant to be there.

[crystal minnow]

gng void CENTURY a 100 years

[iron loom]

Yes to this

[brazen drift]

normal people dont know abt the void century tho

they thinkthe world just started

[crystal minnow]

gng just think. The kingdom existed for 100 years. Thats the void century. Imu wins and controls the world for the next 700 years

[rain belfry]

Yes the red line interrupts the migration patterns of the whales

Crocus says this during reverse mountain

[cunning iron]

The void century ended 800 years ago. During that century, we know Joyboy was alive, and there used to be a "great kingdom". Joyboy's defeat marked the end of that century as Vegapunk said. Period.

[crystal minnow]

the void century is the time BEFORE IMU

[quaint haven]

That's the one

[iron loom]

Imu was theorized to be apart of the void century

One of the 20 kings

[crystal minnow]

Imu reigns for 700 years

[iron loom]

Of the ancient kingdom

[brazen drift]

he have no idea when imu lived

[crystal minnow]

he didn’t reign yet

[raw scarab]

Here me out:
• In the 1st world, we see something going on. People going deep into the earth/ocean, and they seem to be losing a halo, but gaining a small star. As if a sun was beneath the ocean, and they could trade parts of their soul to get a piece of it (even if they were forced too.) Notice people without halos seem to be pushing down people with halos (those that still have their souls?)
• Deep in the ground, deep in the water, in hades these souls remained.
• The slaves made a wish. Perhaps they could leverage this power or souls, and created the sun god. A powerful being to break the cycle.
• Powers of the world fought this rebellion, and covered the world in darkness. The sun god lossed and its soul enveloped in darkness once again.
• In the second age, a king had led people to salvation. They found the bright souls deep within the earth, and could use its fragments for war.
• A forest god (eve tree), grew its roots deep below the redline, and into the ocean. There it stole the trapped souls, and made devil fruits (fruits from the souls trapped below.)
• This destroyed the sun deep within, no longer to be used as a weapon. The sea god, the king of the souls took a great loss. The souls scattered across the land.

[rain belfry]

Imu lived during the void century

Aka the 2nd world

[iron loom]

He was apart of the 20 monarchs

Or whatever they were

[crystal minnow]

cool but he didnt rule the world until the void century ended

[iron loom]

The kings that ran the ancient kingdom

[iron loom]

He was apart of the council that did

[rain belfry]

And he inherited the power of the God of the land

[iron loom]

Yes

[crystal minnow]

gng that don’t

mattah😭

[iron loom]

Imu recognized joyboys haki

When the robot undid the knot

He also knew about Nefertari

[crystal minnow]

yes

[brazen drift]

the things they take from the ground could be a metaphor for coal? they bring it back up to refuel the buildings

[iron loom]

I want more info on these holy knight powers

With the gorosei n shit

is it haki?

[rain belfry]

Looks like the molten core of the earth

The original mother flame

[iron loom]

Or maybe it really is a devil fruit ability

[brazen drift]

theres steam coming off the buildings the people descend into the ground could be a metaphor for working the coal mines

[iron loom]

Which could be why joyboys haki did such a number

[crystal minnow]

yeah

[rain belfry]

They’re based on Greek gods

[brazen drift]

and the oppressive nature of coal mine owners

[iron loom]

I believe imu has a fruit which he can share power to gorosei

And holy knights by extension

[raw scarab]

yeah, I am wondering if there is some dark force here. Something to get fragments

[brazen drift]

yeah i think the mother flame could be like the gathering of the workers energy

imu wants the mother flame to hold the resources that the workers collected

[rain belfry]

I dont think so I think they physically harvested from the earth’s core

[brazen drift]

they used it to power their cities

[brazen drift]

yeah this could be how they did it in first world

[iron loom]

Was the nika the giants worshipped actually Joyboy?

[brazen drift]

OMG WAIT

[crystal minnow]

So half moon def means D

[iron loom]

yeah

[brazen drift]

in the mural the serpet of fire is fighting a DRAGON its like his revolutionaries figfhting the oppressive god of the land thought that was a pretty neat detail

the dragon is directly fighitng the serpent

[iron loom]

The mural states the half moon and the sun god will meet again

Which is luffy

Monkey D. luffy

The half moons weren’t mentioned until the 3rd world

Which is where all the D members are from

[raw scarab]

which line again?

[iron loom]

Far left

[raw scarab]

yeah, which one

[iron loom]

3rd one?

Well if you read right to left

[raw scarab]

well, it doesnt show what your saying

[iron loom]

If you look at the mural left to right it would be the 1st

[crystal minnow]

so people got devil fruits and fought the serpent?

[brazen drift]

i think the serpent is just a metaphor for the oppressive taking harsher measures

[raw scarab]

this is saying the sun god is and half moon are joining up?

[brazen drift]

and the dragon is the revolutionaries who fought backa and resisted

[iron loom]

Nah I think the serpent became the red line before the fruits were manifested

[brazen drift]

what is the half moon refferring to

[iron loom]

This is a bad translation they just released a new one

[crystal minnow]

hmmm i was thinking the serpent was the red line but idk

[brazen drift]

could be that too

[raw scarab]

I missed the latest one.

[crystal minnow]

im thinking like they fought it then the people with the fruits ig got a lil too free and imu got mad?

after the sun died

[brazen drift]

okay guys i have a question, if whoever put the red line there is powerful enough to do so, why do they let reverse mountain exist? im sure reverse mountain might not have always been there

[iron loom]

I think the serpent being the red line is a very strong theory because it could make sense that the separation of the world could be the darkness referenced

With this the split of seas into 4

[crystal minnow]

im guessing when people got fruits that’s the void century and imu got mad the sun died

[thorny hedge]

all blue

[rain belfry]

Because regardless of how oppressive a regime is you need some way to cross borders

Just make it a pain in the ass

[crystal minnow]

so imu made everybody oppressed again

[rain belfry]

The protoimu or whatever would still need slaves to have a way to cross the oceans even if they’re in the way so they made it so only their mans would have the means under normal circumstances

For practical reasons

[iron loom]

I think the separation of the seas is the ruin by the god of land and the serpent

[brazen drift]

true

[crystal minnow]

lowkey imu dont sound liek a bad guy fr

[brazen drift]

im confused what the half crescent, full moons and half moons refer to

[rain belfry]

Probably the different races and the D clan

[crystal minnow]

maybe full moons are like celestials?

[thorny hedge]

minks wano

[brazen drift]

this was my first guess

[raw scarab]

okay, this newer translation is a bit more interesting. Def. changes some things:. Like in this one, the ones that destroyed the sun elevated themselves ( D ), also made themselves a target of imu.

[brazen drift]

oooo minks is good because of the full moon

[thorny hedge]

half moon might be the wano people and full moon might be minks

[brazen drift]

what level to be able to send pictures

[rain belfry]

Yes the kozuki and the minks use moon imagery instead of the sun

[crystal minnow]

oh imus seat looks like a full moon yah?

[rain belfry]

They would not meet again is referring to Joyboy and Imu

[brazen drift]

robins gunna faint when she sees this mural omg

[tiny roost]

what if choppers fruit is actually more important than just a "human fruit"? what if Blackbeard was looking for that fruit on drum island

[raw scarab]

it could mean devil fruits and water

[crystal minnow]

the world noble logo also looks like a full moon

[brazen drift]

i thought this was talking abt all the people of the world? different races and stuff

[rain belfry]

It could but it’s more likely referring to the conflict between the nikas and imu/the devil

[coarse plank]

I cooked up my interpretation of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd world if anyone here is interested in seeing. I think I’m onto something

[iron loom]

Half crescent is the will of d I presume

The other mentions are the lunarians

And skypeians

Is what I think

or

[rain belfry]

As in “imu killed joyboy, they will not meet again”

[iron loom]

Simply humanity itself

[rain belfry]

So that “luffy kills imu, so they will meet again”

[brazen drift]

yeah this is actually insane if thats what it means yall are onto something

i believe it

yeah no its 100% the will of D

[rain belfry]

Deep down I know Oda was bullshitting it though

[thorny hedge]

1st world is when the devil fruits were getting created

[iron loom]

I’m like 95% sure atp

That that’s what D is

[crystal minnow]

I think the half crescents are the ones that slew the sun

[brazen drift]

the half moon (D) echoes through the ages??? garp dragon luffy? it 100% is

[coarse plank]

Celestial dragons are

[raw scarab]

the D seem to be the ones that sacrificed something to create Nika

[crystal minnow]

but imu is mad at the people that wished for the fruits

[coarse plank]

Here lemme send my interpretation of it all, I think yall will enjoy this

[crystal minnow]

and slew the sun

[raw scarab]

correct, the sun is not necessarily a good thing in all of this.

[coarse plank]

First World

“The earth burned in endless flame and in the hearts of men burned with desire”

Feel like this means war, destruction, chaos. Making me think the world was already in having shit going on, possibly due to power grabs, conflicts, social disparities, etc

“Beckoned by the enslaved who reached for the forbidden star.”

That’s gotta be the OG Motherflame, an advanced energy source from the ancient civilization. Some likely saw it as an infinite energy source and others maybe feared/looked at is as something for destruction. Perhaps leading to the creation of Uranus

“From the whispered prayers, the sun god rose”

The misuse of the Motherflame may have worsened slavery across the world, making many submit. The "slaves" mentioned here could refer to the oppressed people of the original 20 kingdoms who later formed the World Government. Their suffering could have led to the original Nika, a person whose goal was to free them.

“The God of the land was enraged, with a serpent of fire, they cast world into ruin, darkness fell, death reigned”

This could have been triggered by the use of Uranus, causing catastrophe all over the planet, including floods and countries being separated. Similar to some of the things happening in the story now. The serpent of fire is the Red Line, The Red Line’s creation would have further fucked up the world by blocking off resources, trade, sunlight, and travel, forcing countries/ civilizations into isolation and accelerating their decline.

“They would not meet again”

I now think this means the seas being split in two by the red line, never to be reunited

[brazen drift]

yeah and the sea god hated it the most for some reason he had the power to curse the fruits

[coarse plank]

Second World

“A breath stirred in the abyss, the god of the forest wove their magic, nurturing its devils.

A breath of fresh air per se, this is the creation of Devil Fruits in response to Uranus

“While the sun spread the embers of war.”

A revolution, caused by Joyboy , born in the ancient kingdom, who inherited the title of the new “Sun God” since he ate the DF for it, which was likely created by the dreams of people.

“Those of the half crescent and full moons dreamed.”

The half crescent/half moon refers to the D clan, and the full moon is likely all the races we see with wings (skypieans, shandians, lunarians, birka, I’ll throw in minks too bc of their ties to the moon) both the half and full moon dreamed of a better world, likely joining forces led by Joyboy

“Yet the ones who slew the sun deified themselves”

Joyboy was defeated and killed, likely by the people we now know as the Celestial Dragons

“Evoking the wrath of the Sea god”

This is likely Poseidon/Shirahoshis ancestor, who was likely part of this rebellion, and due to the death of Joyboy, in rage, flooded the world again, creating the grand line/calm belt, forcing the WG and the CDs to live on top of the red line.

“They would not meet again”

Due to the creation of the grand line/calm belt, the world is split again, now in 4 sections/seas, never to be reunited

Third World

“Chaos reigns, the world drifts in void.”

Likely refers to the void century, or more so the end of it, in which Imu and the WG and CDs rule.

“Yet time does not erase the memory of the promised day”

Likely refers to the third world being a prophecy of what’s to come as well as the promise that Joyboy left

“Its shadow looms as the voice of the half moon echoes through the ages”

The survivors of the dark past, meaning the D clan, joyboys allies, the Poneglyphs (messages of the past) Poseidon, etc. as well as the voice of all things (maybe it’s a power that comes from being related the half moon and full moon?)

“And once more, the sun god shall rise, laughing, dancing, guiding the world to its final act”

This is 100% talking about luffy, he will bring all these people together, as it’s also been mentioned by many people, including even Mihawk, that luffy has the ability to unite and lead people and he will lead them to victory and the worlds final act (maybe a 4th world?)

“The sun is reborn, a new dawn will break”

Using the mother flame for good, they will create a new era, again tying to what I said about a potential 4th world after all this

“They will surely meet again.”

The 1st world ended with the redline splitting it in two, the 2nd world ended with the grand line/calm belt splitting it in 4, the 3rd World will end in with luffy reuniting the entire world (his dream of having a big ol party with everyone), by destroying the red line (as was said in fishman island) and the grand line ceasing to exist, the entire world…being in One Piece.

[raw scarab]

yuck post, so long

[coarse plank]

Sorry if this is considered spam

[rain belfry]

The sun is objectively good

[coarse plank]

Trust

[raw scarab]

I though that originally, but with newer translation, I think the sun can bee a force of evil

[iron loom]

Does the half crescent have anything to do with wano?

[raw scarab]

it might be why there is a little confusion with the giants between what the sun god is. The sun god is not the same as the sun.

[crystal minnow]

so ig the full moons are the celestials and shi? LOL thats why they so lazy cuz they did nothing fr 😭

[iron loom]

I know that oden had a half crescent moon tattoo

[raw scarab]

The sun is basically a power source

[iron loom]

On his foot

[rich quarry]

To me it sounds more like the sun is beneficial but also has its price

[coarse plank]

Full moon = Lunarian, Shandian, skypiean, birka, minks, etc

[crystal minnow]

ehhh

i dont see it tbh

[iron loom]

Does the moon reflecting the sun have any prevalence?

What do you guys think?

[brazen drift]

i was wondering that

[magic sundial]

what if

[iron loom]

I think the people of the moon could be those who follow nika

Or something

[magic sundial]

what if what if

[raw scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-anime-transform-giant-gorilla-ahhh-gif-17122821

[magic sundial]

the one peice is the key to beating imu

[coarse plank]

Read my interpretations of it all, I feel I lay it out pretty well, I could be wrong, but I just feel I’m onto it

[brazen drift]

the minks definitely have some sort of power given to them by the sun god nika i bet

[magic sundial]

what if the one peice is the rest of g5 luffys powers

[brazen drift]

thats why the full moon awakens them

[magic sundial]

idk tho

[brazen drift]

could be thats why roger wasnt ready yet or smth

[magic sundial]

joyboy was born on laughtale?

maybe

joy= laugh

[iron loom]

The one piece does require nika

I’m sure

[magic sundial]

makes sense right?

[raw scarab]

We are also not sure if all the races on the planet are original.

[iron loom]

It’s already been mentioned that joyboy was waiting for someone

[rich quarry]

Im not that big on the separated seas thing because that would mean they would be personified as people bc 彼ら (them) specifically refers to people

[magic sundial]

but that panel is in the void century right

[thorny hedge]

also remember there is a ancient city on the moon from enels short story

[iron loom]

The one who inherits the will

[magic sundial]

do yall rememeber in fishman islan when they said the noah with have its purpose

[brazen drift]

laughtale could be joyboys ship and he left his arsenal of ancient robots there (like emeth) who awaken at the sound of joyboys heartbeat the drums of liberation

thats why roger couldnt do anything at laughtale

[coarse plank]

It would reunite all the people tho, who live in 4 different seas

[magic sundial]

joyboys ship is the noah

[raw scarab]

lunarians might have been a space invading race who made a deal with the god of the land.

[iron loom]

Noah is going to bring the people of fishman island to the surface world

[magic sundial]

JOYBOYS SHIP IS THE NOAH THATS WHY IT WILL COME BACK

[iron loom]

After Luffy defeats the WG

[magic sundial]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

THE WORLD IS SINKING RIGHT?

THE NOAH WILL SAVE THE PEOPLE OF LAUGHTALE AND FISHMAN ISLAND

[rich quarry]

Maybe not everyone but its not exactly impossible for the people in current op world to travel around

[brazen drift]

my theory still is that laughtale has more things that are powered by the drums of liberation thats why emeth woke up to luffys heartbeat

[brazen drift]

probably

[iron loom]

It was the Noah in which the ancient kingdom used to repopulate the world after they destroyed it in the first world

[coarse plank]

No but certainly is difficult, would also tie into Sanjis dream of the all blue

[iron loom]

They had 2 of every species including fish men

And skypeians

[magic sundial]

yeah because is the panel is said joyboy lead the world to its end

but he had a plan

[iron loom]

Yeah joyboy must have used the ancient weapons to sink the world during the war

and then the mother flame was destroyed

[magic sundial]

BY DESTROYING THE WORLD HE FREED THE PEOPLE BY SAVING THEM WITH THE NOAH

[raw scarab]

The lunarians, gods of the red line and burners of the world....they thrived until they got betrayed in 2nd world.

[magic sundial]

but it wasnt

[iron loom]

Yeah so excluding them

[magic sundial]

the mother flame is still there but its smaller now

[brazen drift]

thats why soem giants see him as the god of destruction because they know he wants to destroy the red line after the flood, but he will save them with the noah

[magic sundial]

exactly

[brazen drift]

at least joyboy was going to

nika is more directly tied to the sun

[magic sundial]

nika and joyboy are 2 differennt people

[brazen drift]

yes

[magic sundial]

joyboy was betrayed by zunesha

thats why he died

nika was killed by imu

[iron loom]

Yes

[magic sundial]

after nika was killed by imu

things went bad

so the people prayed for nikas return

[iron loom]

I believe zunesha worked alongside the god of land

[brazen drift]

imu got more oppressive and extreme

[magic sundial]

he returned as a devil fruit

[iron loom]

to move the Noah

[magic sundial]

joyboy ate it

[thorny hedge]

nika is the god and joyboy is 1st one that took nikas power

[magic sundial]

joyboy freed the people

so if i got it correct

[brazen drift]

do you guys think blackbeards fruit is a zoan like luffys and he will be able to awaken it?

[iron loom]

I think the sun god rising in the first world was not actually nika appearing himself

[magic sundial]

nika died then the people wished him back after the world got bad so he returned as a devil fruit then joyboy ate him?

[iron loom]

But the will of the slaves

Who harvested the sun

Worshipped it

[magic sundial]

the mother flame is nika

[brazen drift]

or blackbeards fruit is a zoan of someone who was extremely greedy, manifested into powers of darkness and therefor can use more fruits

[magic sundial]

or the sun that imu is holding is nikas power

[iron loom]

I definitely think the darkness fruit is not a logia

[magic sundial]

and joyboy is trying to get it bakc before imu destroys the world with it

[brazen drift]

yeah\

[iron loom]

The ability to steal a devil fruit power

[magic sundial]

why wouldnt it be

[iron loom]

Is not a logia ability by any means

[brazen drift]

could all fruits be zoans?? it says the people deified themselves

[magic sundial]

what if

[raw scarab]

its explained why its a different 'likely mythic' logia

[brazen drift]

could every fruit technically be tied back to powers or professions of ancient gods

[iron loom]

Have we ever seen Blackbeard become an actual apparatus of darkness

[magic sundial]

what if

[iron loom]

Or just harness the abilities

[magic sundial]

what if

wait wait

[brazen drift]

same with luffy until he awakened his

[magic sundial]

so joyboy said he will return right

listen to me for s sec ok?

[raw scarab]

blackbeard explained that darkness swallows everything in. He is basically a black hole, he can absorb power, but he also absorbs damage. It is why its such a powerful logia, but also has a few drawbacks.

[magic sundial]

dont type just listen to me for a sec

what if

[iron loom]

Every fruit is tied back to this god of forest character and I believe the defiance from the ones who slewed the sun was the consumption of the fruits

[magic sundial]

sinc joyboy said he will return

this will be the GREATEST

[iron loom]

Joyboy has returned

[magic sundial]

spinback of all time

[iron loom]

He’s Luffy

[magic sundial]

i know bro

luffy will fight imu again BUT

[iron loom]

Joyboy the person is dead but the will of sun is in luffy

[magic sundial]

imu will have the allyance of the evil sea god

and the 5 gorosei

[thorny hedge]

...

the sea god is not evil

[brazen drift]

maybe all devilk fruits are like forbidden fruits, the tree is grown by the gods of sea, land, and sun who were all enraged when people take from that tree

except nika god of sun who was forgiving

[brazen drift]

only to those who ate fruits

sea god cursed the fruits

[iron loom]

Gaimon is the god of the forest

[magic sundial]

wait no luffy will have the sea gods allyance because

when the people slew the sun

the sea god raged

and since its confirmed luffy will be returning to fishman islande

[brazen drift]

devil fruit is a way of becoming powerful quickly and is an unfair advantage and makes people not equal so the sea god didnt want those people coming to the sea

as a way of dividing further

[iron loom]

No it wasn’t them slewing

[brazen drift]

even fishman who eat the fruits cant swim they can breathe but they cant travel to unite with other people

[iron loom]

It was the slewers of the sun god that defied themselves

[brazen drift]

deified

[iron loom]

Who is this god of forest

[brazen drift]

as in worshipping themselves

[magic sundial]

"the humans slew the sun, the sea god raged"

they betrayed nika i think

[thorny hedge]

i wonder when the sky island people were making sacrifices they mentioned the sun, forest, earth, rain gods

[iron loom]

“Yet the ones who slewed the sun defied themselves” “evoking the wrath of the sea god”

[thorny hedge]

was the rain god supposed to be the sea god?

[magic sundial]

i think luffy will ally other gods

[magic sundial]

thats why he is reffered to as the evil sea god by humans

[iron loom]

There is a newer translation