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How would you guys rate this? I'm trying to draw animals more now
Put more emphasis on shadows
know light placement
Anatomy is all good
so its good - but needs a few more touchups

LIGHTING
Zoro arts
Off colored scribble but ace boy
omg thats adorable did you do that?
Yeah :) thanks btw
Shouko nishimya drawing
My latest One Piece fanart, quite sketchy but I had fun painting it: https://majoraop.tumblr.com/post/188793306975/saboace-week-ace-and-sabo-as-they-appear-in-my
Wow, that's cool! Since we're posting pumpkins, I just finished this: https://majoraop.tumblr.com/post/188819156205/my-entry-for-trafalgar-law-asks-pumpkin-contest
(Posting the static version alone since there is an animated one in the link too and the preview doesn't work. ^^' )
So adorable but sad 

I'm sorry. :P
It's that I wanted to draw Law already healed, and well, you know what that means. 😦
I miss him so much 😭
Me too... 😢
Awww i love that 
Thanks!
No problem keep up the amazing work

I'll try! I think I'll make something about Zoro and Tashigi next, but I'm not sure.
Sounds great
I did a sketch of Monkey D. Luffy from the hit anime and manga series
that's Goku.
Yes, yes I've heard of Dragon Ball, fam
oh cool, nice to see people are still drawing naruto from the hit series bleach
Kentaro Isayama inspires so many people
Clownin
That looks really cool
these all look really nice
Ah! Hisoka! D:


I haven't drawn in absolute years but I always enjoyed drawing OP characters in secondary
i love it
@glossy condor Great stuff, man. Hope you pick up the hobby again later down the line sometime. 🙂
Concept.
Cool font
This is mad cute



Are you spamming art 
Yes 



same goes to you @zealous kestrel
Na the guy who made it is an actual art channel so I just guessed
But yea I guess it's a meme mb
Yummy
Thank you kindly.

understandable
these are just a few pages
they went to comic-con with a stand back in the day and sold it
Damn, these are nice!
Sin City
yep
B&W to the max
High Contrast Noir
all 5 issues of it are b&w
Expect no less
how did you dad split the work?
you know, I can't remember who did what. I know they did a mix of both
I could ask him for some specifics
Do so, if it isn't a bother to him
he did this at some point after getting out of the army, and funded it with his friend
it's a military story
let me see if i can find something
Interesting - and I can see that
guess it was in '94 they released it
That is actually true
yeah, my dad was a big comic fan since he was a kid as well. went to comic-con sometime in the 70s and met lee himself
and kirby, iirc
can't remember, but it was when comic con was a hell of a lot smaller
Sweet Christmas
dude those were super approachable back in the day
yeah
They were
Really!?
had lunch with him and stuff
That kid was hella lucky
I've heard that a lot
creators just were happy to meet people that gave a shit
^
and now I'm a bit sad that that's over....
Creators want to be respected for their work
yeah, times have changed. way before my time, but. it sounds nice
even Image has faltered
and was about comic creators
Image is wonky af
^
yeah
Image is the breeding ground for hipsters
we've talked about western comics a few times doom, and from what I've seen shep feels the same way

Comics has become a battleground between hipsters and sane people at this point
well, the industry
yeah
and thanks to digital, nobody needs publishers and brick and morta stores anymore
Yeah, but we need those floppies
the lifeline of the industry is determined by the floppies
if floppies do not sell - then digital sales slump
this only refers to the mainstream
indie is perfectly healthy
but crowdfunding is starting to become impractical
got to get those floppies to shops
support LCSs
those shops just aren't cutting it anymore since the big names don't deliver guaranteed sellers
Indeed
and those absurd ordering policies
and it is sad
Oh God
the ordering policies are atrocious
and serve to put LCSs in danger zone
publishers shifting the burden of costs to the shop
messy practices
very
and for other stores, manga pretty much is cannibalizing the market
because frankly speaking, it's the stronger format
I'm not from the USA so I don't understand what this hipsters VS sane people thing is. Could you please explain? I'm curious. ^^
It is very complex
but long story short - the american comics industry is being driven to the ground by people who wish to use comics as a platform for politics rather than telling an actual story.
AKA The Hipsters
it's people hiring their friends. and those friends just want the job "because it's cool" and not because they ever cared about the medium. so we're stuck with people that don't have either merit or the knowledge of what made those stories great in the past.
Because of that, readers are finding themselves alienated
Aka, people with an "agenda" (of any kind)... That's quite unfortunate. 😦
Lol thankyouu
You’re drawing the rest of the crew so keep us updated 

Yesss
Hi I drew this a while ago
reminds me of jojo
Its diavolo from jojo
Same as this one
Johnny joestar from jojo
Done like a year ago
no buccellati?
ah tysm
Nice mista
Very rough female bruno sketch
bruno bucciarati
Mista 
Don’t forget to credit: https://twitter.com/tsuyomaru1a/status/1044244722909294592?s=21
https://filettillyoudrop.tumblr.com/post/188934331936/im-going-to-keep-making-these-and-nobody-is full panel on my Tumblr
Someone should draw Big Mom dressed as Endive from Chowder
lol big mom is endive
And Pudding is Panini
@woven anvil are you gonna post a translation...don’t do this to me 
@astral jungle I'm sorry I don't Japanese 
ironic, but suitable
I was told by an admin that this is the most suitable channel to share One Piece fanfics too, so here you are an old Nami x Vivi double-drabble I wrote if anyone is interested in the pairing. ^^
https://majoraop.tumblr.com/post/151949958125/desert-dream-nami-x-vivi-one-piece-double
...
I ordered some clay devil fruits the other day
.. that I can't upload here, wow, that's embarrassng for e
me
Yosh here we go
😍
That’s cool
lookin good
my Enma doesn't curve though,
finishing a site tool to extract a palette from an image, among other things! (art credit: @meyoco )
That’s cool
That’s a nice db pic
Cute. 🙂
A Zoro and Tashigi fanart I finished today, drawn in the Zelda - The Wind Waker style. ^^
https://majoraop.tumblr.com/post/189002846375/zotashsource-this-is-inspired-by-the-tension
crowbar marine dude
idk
This is awesome!!
looks good
u/orangesabbath
sampled art by meyoco https://imgur.com/a/80GoixB
Wow, is that Wano illustration and official artwork or fanart? 😮
I believe fanart
Anyway it looks gorgeous. (Please post the source too when sharing other people's fanarts--I would like to check the artists's galleries too! ^^ )
Exactly! ^^
So beautiful!

I don’t like how reddit doesn’t show the entire picture like twitter when you post the link 

What if someone doesn’t visit the link thinking it’s just a face drawing 
That fanart though
Dope
Yeah, there is definitely more to see when clicking on the link. 😛
OPPAI
Omg that’s amazing
Majora most of the time I find fan art on Instagram and they don’t give credit to the artist :/ soo..
^ I understand. That's a widespread bad habit, unfortunately. 😦
@lucid jungle no one Kaws me, boy.
@knotty ginkgo “The crows are calling my name today thought Kaw”
ki
I know he's gotten used to it, but still kinda a dick move that the straw hats didn't at least attempt to get him out
Gaimon: Damn, it's been so hard living in this treasture chest, I wish I could just break free or for someone to help me.
Luffy:
Trying to draw markiplier in different anime styles
first was dbz, next one is One piece


Outfit is from this if anyone is confused
I made sure to pick the modest pose 

Going to upload this to deviantart, twitter, and instagram
It is still s***
had to omit 66 frames to meet time limit
but still went over because I had no idea how to work with any of this
14 hours 
Yeah
this was 14 hours of work
the rest was cut for time
Scanning took forever for 50 frames
like holy s***
Like s***, the other 66 would have taken me over the 24 hour challenge
and it did
and I was fuming like a maniac in the library
earning some glances

Okay, deviantart will not accept it
s***
Oh, you have no idea

how painful
this was to do

and thanks, it means alot
alright, they are uploaded
Das cute
They'll never find it here


Wow
@whole patio it's so awesome
thanks ❤️
does anybody know a website that sells one piece earrings?
Making a giant OP portait
I was thinking of adding king, queen and jack in the other 3, since the 4 end piece represent kaido's allies
Venait

lines are good
Sanji is a simp
Saw this on reddit who wants to come with me to see it irl
K
I have a few stories in mind and have then thought out, but i feel i may need a blueprint before i can start drawing the actual manga
So it would be best to write it out like a novel first? To act as my blueprint
I haven character designs and all that
okay, character designs are a start
How should i make my blueprint
The characters have perosnality. Essentially the characters r complete
Thats y im here. I have a beginning in mind, but i want it to be quite a long story and i dont wanna have to make up stuff as i go to try to make things make sense like tetsuya nomura with kingdom hearts
Okay, so what are the themes of your story
you don't have to tell me all of them
but themes can help shape out what happens in the middle
One of them is a story i came up with using my 4 ffxiv characteds which make up a party. That one is most likely the easiest story i have that i can do in terms of beginning and end. As for the others, all my stories involve the same characters but in different universes that i imagined up. So while i can, and might do the ffxiv story, i would also like to do at least 1 original story with my characters
Cuz the characters in ffxiv is where my characters came from. I created them, and came up wirh personalities and all that for them and had an idea that i can use them in a story
I'll say this now - when I came up with my story and characters, it was a Justice League rip-off with custom characters. So you are still in the beginning phase where now you have your own ideas, but are too unsure of what to do with them. You are off to a good start! But! The characters themselves have to serve some significance aside from being there for the sake of the plot or for their personalities. They have to bring an element that contrast with each other.
Oh yeah i got that part
Main character is energetic, alwaya ready to fight, funny, nonsensacle. The love interest is a calm elegant intellegant character
With the ffxiv story the main obsticale besides making it a good story, is the quality. I feel if i use their property, i would be obligated to make it to their quality standard, which means a lot of detail, of which in perfectly fine with cuz i love and respect them, buy my artistic skills arent that great
Then be original
diverge into other sources of inspiration
I'll tell you now
when I was making this story
well my story
it was a JL rip, then a One Piece-esque rip
then a until the last of us rip
then I realized why not try to merge certain elements of different stories to individual characters
just wait
gotta go afk
be back
K
In terms of settings and areas. I have A LOT as all my location ideas came from my dreams. I dont get nightmares, all mg dreams r fun, epic, funny, and have amazing scenery and locations, of which i can adapt into a story, which is another thing i have in the wraps. I have characters and locations
Yes
and that is where your Main character comes in
or the driving force
of the story
assuming you are using one character as a pivot
@fierce lintel looks like something a square enix person would draw a lord of the rings character. Not dissing, just saying its cool and Thats wut i see
For the ffxiv story, my main character just wants to travel the world and become the greatest dark knight. Kind of like zoro mixed with loofy
That's fine. No offense taken really. It's concept for a character in a story I'm making.
I see, I see. And what do you think will make him a Great Dark Knight?
What trials should he overcome
The hair makes me thing square enix concept art
Thats parts i need to work on
you have locations
So far he just fights for fun and along the way gets better
okay, then try add an obstacle
something that hinders his growth
it could be a personal gripe
or just an enemy that is everything he isn't
and the locations you plotted out
try use that to morph how it works out
an environment tells more
I have always thought as a joke to make the main character a marry sue to mess with everyone, but now i want to make something that ppl can actually enjoy. And since the MC is essentially a self insert of me (ppl hate that but idc it helps me relate and put more feeling into my art)
Nothing wrong with self-inserts, but don't make it a mary sue fic
it cheapens out the whole thing
Imma also be using my manga as a blueprint for my animations, i do 3d animations and music and my bro makes the models. Once i can get the manga i can make the animation
So i have long term plans for the idea
I'll say this, when doing self inserts, focus on a characteristic flaw within yourself
rather than fully
Oh yeah i got that
Egotistical
Doesnt like losing
In fact i feel like that makes giving my character trials,much easier
K
I'll ping you when I'm done
@jade yew
sorry it took so long
if you are not online, I'll leave a few notes here
To structure your story, focus on the locations and what they can symbolize or be constructed to represent
then from there, mark what would be the most significant and the least
then from there make a progression system
it doesn't have to be coherent in terms of when it happens
but make sure your mc learns something
or barely earns a victory
But, if you want your MC overpowered - make sure they have an emotional disconnect that can be remedied with each obstacle conquered (or not)
@coarse silo imhsre
Im at work, but i can talk during work
I got time all day
Cool!
I clean cars for car rental and dont have a manager on my shift im also allowed to use my phone anyway
Read yur messages btw
And thb, while having a mary sue character would be cool, i wouldn't get the feels i love getting wen i watch the main character fight their heart out to great music
With a mary sue its "oh they gunna win without trying any way"
A regular character yu can feel their struggle
Mary Sues don't earn their power
Ye
or suffer emotional disconnect
for being perfect
the world bends for them
and that makes a boring story
there is nothing to learn
or invest in
Talkin to yu about this helped me get rid of my want for a mary sue. I may still do it at some point as a joke kind of like one punch, but as my passion project, i want it to have feels and consequences
Saitama is not a mary sue
he is only strong
too strong for his own good
that he himself is isolated
and wanting to be human again
but cannot seem to find a ground
he is more or less a parody of Superman
LMAO
Alice.
OMG
niceu
😍
Mary Sue is a very loosely thrown term that I don't like using
but aside from that, I can see potential in where you are going
but remember, take your time when plotting out the story
Something to know about why: I took 3-4 years to finally come up with a solid storyline - seriously, planning it out is the brunt of it all.
Inspirations can get you so far
but it is deciding what is appropriate and sensible for the characters you create
or rather the World you are trying to create
that matters the most, @jade yew
Everday for years i day dream about my characters in many scenarios. It's wut i do wen im at work listening to music.
Its a matter of organizing it and making it work all together
What do you imagine your story to be like if put into music?
that could help shape out the story better
with me, heavy metal tracks lay the core foundation of how my story functions
each track in an album signify an element of the journey
or maybe the characters personal growth in chronogical order
and the trauma they endure
is your story similar to the themes of metal - or is it more in the themes of opera?
Or maybe the themes of the rebelleous?
Techno trance, orchestral, and rock and all then combined
Okay, good
now, when you play those tracks
what do you see
an event
maybe it is the beginning
or the end
but when you listen to the tracks, what does it feel like to you
does it sound as if it came before
or after
or is it a buildup
Well i make muaic primarily since i was 11. Im 25 now, and in 2014 is wen my 3 other characters came to life. My main character has always been a thing since middle school
So my music is made and i work around it
I cant even think of a name until it done and i listen to it to feel out a name
I mainly making techno/trance since i was 11, but couple years ago ive been broading my horizons with making chiptune, trying to make orchestral music and anime op and ed type sounding songs
But with my experience, i can think of a moment and make a song bases around that
My first attempt at orchestral i just staired at my tv screen which had monster hunter on it, and it helped
Im more of a musical person, i play how i feel. So all i gatta do is think of a feeling and i can base music around that
Try studying films with magnificient scores
O i do. Wen the music starts, my twars be adrippin
SAO
One piece
Wolf children
I kno how powerful music can be to enhance the moment
Final fantasy games
Okay, then do exercises where you place your story in that track
like try simulate
and see what works
and then see where you think it belongs
note that this ain't easy
I do need practice on making sinister sounding music since all i make is happy melodic music
Sinister music - I would recommend listening to horror sounds
not music
but the sounds itself
ambiency
I have audio software i can use to make sinister sounds
Sound design is an animation topic tho, atm i gatta worj on getting the manga first as i can essentially trace from that for the animation
Animation topic indeed - but music always has rhythm that help flow
Yeah
get more ideas
it is the only way to see what stories can fit your vision!
Basically,
WATCH TV AND MOVIES
AND PLENTY OF IT!!!
Im inspired by ZUN who makea Touhou. He made touhou all his own cuz he wanted to make video game music. Im inspired by final fantasy for its quality. Inspired by sao for its music, visual effects, and spund design
But, confining yourself to those is creative restraint
that is something you want to avoid
don't limit it
Its mostly music stuff anyway, so i see wut yu mean
True
2 of my chiptune songs which i posted on utube have a feel for them and thats how they got their name
One sounds like a start of an adventure. The other sounds like a snowy area
So you have a few things going!
You have the start - and something in the middle!
you don't know what
but that is okay
that is where inspiration comes in to fill the gaps
then the editing comes with how your characters can suit
then the refinement comes when you start putting in your own ideas
write drunk, then edit sober
then review like a scholar
is basically what I am advising to you
be broad in your vision
Gotchya
Haha guys wanna see two drawings I did in the same year
Sure!
For me to start i feel i should write out the story like a novel so i have a template of which i can draw from, would that be a gud start? Cuz i feel if i just start drawing the manga, ill lose my place, train of thought and all that as it takes time for me to draw
Make it an outline at best!
These were done the same year. Back in like 2014
If that’s not improvement I don’t know what is
No I did the bad art first 
@dusty terrace come look at my art from when I was 14
My recent drawings. Kissone is way off proportion lol
a catagorized or catalogued paper
Sayaki i drew how i felt one day
Drawings are good - but you need to practice shading - give it a 3D element
and yeah, proportions need more work
you are on the right track
but you need to put more time into the craft
more practice
Okay, now that is good
Most my doodle r just something to take the boredem away, i shade wen i do them digitally
like damn
Heres the thing. I draw in final draft
I dont like structure lines, to frustrating, and too many erase marks
Thats my weakness
That is why we have digital, LOL
Okay, you have the art-style down
I can now see that
seriously, you scared me with the earlier draws
LMAO
Wen i drae i have to see my hand, so i need to draw on paper. Tho wen i trace it for,digital work, i can fox the problems
That is excellent!
The mc love interest Murasaki
All that is left for you to do is practice sequencing and simulating how your story plays out!
And wow
Murasaki is based off one ofmy ffxiv characters i made
Sayaki was an original concept as well as Kissone
Nice nice!
Kissone's swors is inspired by Cloud's fusion sword from ff7 adventure children. But im reluctant to shoe it publicly as its too dear to me. That a 7th grade weeb dumby can come up with a complex 2 swords that combine to make up 1 buster sword, is amazing to me
I would say it's my crowning achievement and I dont want anyone stealing it
LOL

There is 1 thing tho, i can only draw 1 type of facial and body structure. I cant do elongate faces or muscular bodies
s***
I can only do average body types
s***
Yeah it's bad
this is what I was afraid of
Tho my brother and friend i was thinking on getting them in on it as they can draw much more
My bro can do animals and essentailly anything. And my buddy most does muscular types
So i can make a team to get more done visually
Convenient!
but I recommend practicing drawing dynamically
and proportions
improve your craft
and also - study your own face
not a joke
study how your face moves
I feel like you don't really need art advice
LMAO
Oh i kno. I recently found out why i hate my art
Its cuz my faces were too low on the head
Wen i learned that it fixed everything
Looks way better
It was that small subtle thing
I used to say i was bad at art. But once i learned that one small detail, i now have confidence
It is always the subtle details that kill oneself - KEK
But remember, write drunk, edit sober, review like a scholar!
And wuts yur opinion on using 3d models to pose and draw from, cuz i do that sometimes
Used to use garrys mod but i use mmd sfm and blender now
Cuz with 3d programs i can do lighting as well
So i can get shading based on the area
I feel it helps, tho i need to work on my free handing. Wenever i free hand, i tend to draw too big
Then practice sequencing and layouts
only way to improve free handing
or basically draw 40+ years
to Kim Jung Gi levels of illustration
man is a master of freehanded inking
I saw where egorapter would internationally give himself a small canvas on which to draw and make the most of it
Perhaps i should try that
Cuz i also need to learn how to do manga paneling
If you want to learn about how to layout, watch some Jim Lee videos
he gives tips for how to use your space properly
or you could just read alot more manga, LOL
and see how they manage their spacing
I do have a few manga i haven't read yet. Touhou and Splatoon
How many series have you read?
Fma, touhou, splatoon, shoulder a coffin kuro, Q-ko chan, and i think thats about it
You should probably read alot more
Yu gud
and np Emood
The reason i dont read manga as much is cuz i like to hear the music for each scenario, and we dont have audio books for manga lol, its an audio thing, but i kno that's no excuse
I read manga wen i was in school to pass the time wen i didnt feel like drawing
you should take time to study its design elements
Yeah
also, study film for stories and sequencing
I do wanna get the sweetness and lightening manga since the story continues there and the anime stopped short
icic
Omfg so as it turns out, I’ve been drawing clowns since before I realized my love for them
Wait, what?
Yup

This is one of the earlier drawings I did
In addition to the many Hisoka’s I’ve drawn
Sickkkk haha
Whoa
Also this looks like a bald Hisoka I drew
Buggy life bb
I’m a fake fan, I’ve never drawn buggy
I love Brooklyn nine nine 
Thats a line of Yshtola from ffxiv memes i make
Relatable. But it’s not really a drama show. Lol it’s a comedy
I need to make more
Oh yeah i made Murasaki in PSO2 as well
Kissone and Mura
Thems the lovies,of my story
I kno its not art, but its fir my story of which i use to get inspiration
Making my characters in different games helps me come up with more ideas
I see, I see
Also considering i need to come up with a wardrobe that can work for outside of ffxiv since the wardrobe im used to for her is this
Dresses and robes work for her definitely, but i gatta find one that isnt specific. Something i can tske inspiration from and make it my own
I have so many wardrobe for her in ffxiv i could use as inspiration
I appreciate all the advice shep
The honor is mine, but in all honesty - you just need to practice alot
you have all the things
Yeh
you just got to practice
and widen your vision
so all the best in your future endeavors
keep in touch

Much appreciated
I like that 
Ok
awesome colours !! And visuals
Looks nice
ty


Anyone have some tips of how I can make this look better?
From wut i can see it looks fine @turbid elk
It’s amazing!! The coloring and shading is fantastic @turbid elk
trying...
why does luffy's chest have abs!?!?!?

ohhh that's fancy
That hasn’t been shown in the anime correct
That fanart wasn’t that, though
ok ok ok no problem 👍🏿
Diedre.
cute mala
okay @coarse silo
so, what's the intent behind this
that's the most important thing.
you want a certain mood or soemthing?
it was a scene where the dude is walking through a battlefield
the only thing you hear are his steps
it is supposed to be cold
or rather lonely
I messed up the SFX - so it detracts from the desolate atmosphere
Yes
you could have gone with just a howling wind or single instrument
so first of all, get your dude's torso moving when he walks
a breathing motion
helps a lot to make it less robotic
Yeah, that was something I was beating myself over
like he looks like a cyberman when walking
also, the foreground is a battlefield, but there's obviously a few more layers
so you might wanna work on some shading to give some illusion of depth
Yeah - I was feeling that way about it - but I need more time with those elements. I kind of southparked it in terms of production
like paper cutouts
it was to save me the trouble of drawing the same thing 50 times
except in scrolling motion
if you wanna go minimalistic
True - but I was wanting to get the whole thing done in less than 24 hours
but I had no ink
that's fine

I'm not telling your how you should have done it 😄
but you said you wanna remaster it
personally I always draw a few keyframes and then get bored
I'm telling ya, keeping consistent drawings without a light desk is hard
and it makes one question existence
and why they do what they do

so I relate
build one yourself dummy 😄
get 2 sheets of translucent plastic whater
Build space
I only work at a university library
I don't work at home
That is... a fantastic idea!
something like that is very portable
I've build one long, long ago
but I don'T need it since I've got a good scanner now
✍
np
Now, to build that portable light desk...
LED's don'T produce much heat either so you can't really fuck up on that either 😄
aside from the hotglue gun that's like 8 bucks

Cassandra.
She’s going to beat you to death
It's funny because that's her resting face.
Alma.
She seems nice
Indeed.
Valentine.
Valentine looking down on racism because that shit whack fr fr
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👍
thanksss !
I love the colors !!
Thnx
That's amazing
Thnx
I've uploaded a larger version of this old Luffy fanart so I'm sharing it around again, I hope you'll enjoy it! ^^
https://majoraop.tumblr.com/post/189221546042/majoraop-don-luffy-from-one-piece-giftart-by
@steep wagon go to #old-role-info info and give yourself a role
Wow you guys are awesome! Great job!!
Cool. 😄
just had a great idea to save art i like in discord
life gonna be going up from here
random artist who dont speak the same language as me and ill only see something from once always have the best art
neat
gerd >>>
I smell a sit-com
whoa
I forgot like a million of the billion of accessories this idiot wears but here it goes
i love the colors!

Just saw the "How to turn the word luffy into a cartoon". Why do they call it a cartoon? A cartoon MOVES, and this doesn't. Those are DRAWINGS! HOW do they ALL call it a cartoon? I understand if someone who doesn't speak English well does it, but it's impossible for every single person to make this same mistake
its a cartoon
That’s a bruh moment if I’ve ever seen one







