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Im open for suggestions!
Preferably something i dont need to many references for
im thinking !
you know the drawings that Robin and Carrot make of the crew
cant find the one from robin...
draw one of the straw hats in such a style?
How would Carrot draw Cho-niki?
better? @tranquil orchid
Sorry man could you post a screenshot? The internett here is practically gone and wont open the link. Also sorry for a late response. Tunnels are a pain 😛
Wow man sorry i have been without internett for a while now
im almost off the train so i am gonna have to draw it some other time
Yeah it would be awesone!
=]
my skills are too bad to attempt it, so if you really like it, i would love to see it
Working on a new piece!
Not sure why there's no thumbnail
I can't upload an image either?? 💀
To pist pictures you have to assign a role to yourself @uncut brook
How do I go about doing that?
I think #357654721458339840 can help yoy with that. If not then a mod can help 😀
woah looks dope
Nice kindergarten fingerpaint
Actually is ayrlic pouring
It’s modern art so a kindergartner could probably do it
Finished image!
Thats sick!!
@alpine estuary
@compact drum sup lad 😃
Idk I just saw you in here
😃
I want to pick up so many things
Music, art, coding, sports
Can't do them all so I end up doing none
😦
If puff the magic dragon put on the crown ^
Yikes
anyone know something weird I can add?
Think I'm gonna do Mirro world as the background 😛
Add some triangular shaped cubes to it
won't the mirro world do something similar?
And adding a triagular shaped cube would actually be sorta possible by using this: https://www.korthalsaltes.com/photo/pyramids/three_pyramids_cube_03.jpg
Hes my friend!
Oh also, y'all should check out my Inktobers
I'm doing one/day for each canon arc
I'm not the best at traditional mediums but I've been enjoying it
I wanna draw Kaido so bad
Kaido is badass
Blackbeard
Dude i think we all want to draw Kaido now
lets all draw kaidou
is it ok to post colorings/wip colorings here? Also curios about spoilers. Should i just post that in manga?
@short pulsar
The only channels where content from the manga that hasn't been handled in the anime yet is allowed are #manga #manga-theories and #spoilers. Don't talk about them here or anywhere else
@visual crater Allright thanks
Oh, I'm very sorry. I didn't know that rule also extended here, which does make sense. Thanks. @visual crater
that wallpaper is ass tf you talkin bout

God if there was ever a sentence that described me
I relate
More often than not, those two are not mutually exclusive.
@jovial tide, I have a question, could you help me?
I made a mistake above saying something that is a spoiler for anime folks. What is the rule here that can be posted as art?
okay, so drawings of her are not allowed?
oh
okay, and the same applies to other things ofc
Thanks. I really didnt know
Does someone experienced know a good book or video series for drawing perspectives, hands, what to simplify, doing clothing etc.? Preferably a book.

Also follow my art account in instrgram :Hamedart893 if do plz tag along and spread my name
Trying to reach at leat 100 follower and over
I was drawing concepts for a Blood-Blood fruit. A logia.
Pay no mind to the shitstorm that is the actual fruit in the corner
I like it
Thank
almost ready for fineliner... just the background

⚠ Jooplin, Warning, this command can't be executed out of a NSFW channel.
nsfw channel where 
do you need a tag to see it https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/498144939679416320.png?v=1
I don't know how to react to this
When is someone going to draw Zoro after he went shopping with him holding a shopping bag in his mouth because he needs to hold so many
But never came back home because he lost his way
Blood fruit idea inspired me to quickly sketch this, sorry for camera quality
I think it would suit a surgeon though
I was also thinking that if you were to combine it with Haki then it could have swords
Or just like large knifes
It’s a logia, right
And he could prob replicate Croco boi
Yeah
Logia
Like hos arms become knifes i mean
Do they have control over the cells in the blood? Can they collect the platelets on one place and create hard scab sword?
Yeah maybe, but it would be fragile and not very stable
The Haki would make it useful
Yeah, I thought about it when I was designing a crew
But I had an idea that if someone had a decently sized cut or slash on them, then the user could just take all of the blood out of the person.
😮 sounds op
Like crocodile in a sense
Not really
Croco has the much better version
Croco can do it without a cut and he can touch the ground and do it
Check out my art
:( not a follow a feedback
don't be fooled she's a bitch
aren't all? did I just say that?
idc if she a bitch, they all welcome
been wanting to draw more One Piece ^^ ~ Here is ASL Halloween
I really think there should be more interaction here amongst artists
Like you hardly have anybody making remarks about each other's post and if there is it's hardly anything much
What kind of remarks did you have in mind? Because other than artists liking each others posts, most are very much aware of flaws in there as we set every line ourselves 😛
made an anime discord
i want to talk about one piece
but with a smaller group
also @mild haven ichigo is better
never
02 is a skank
Talk to Hiro about that
Hiro is a little pussy
indeed


Flipbook of luffy from one piece vs blaxk goku from dragon ball super enjoy. Like and Subscribe ;) Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmb3X_Jg8UA TWITTER...
That was awesome
gotta love colouring haha
After finishing it, you should try using Prisma
I feel like your drawing might work really good
I only know prisma's that bend and split light... what do you mean ? 😛
ah lol
Just saw some pictures of people with it
"This is goofy enough, bud" is what it should say

Nnnooooooooooooooo
What has been seen...
I'm suprised Brook wasn't scared to death when slicing Zeus... but he's already dead YO-HOHOHOHO
WIP
I see that skeleboi alot
what's his name?
And man can you give the guy above a lil time to show off his art before you post your own? it goes a long way to help with someones confidence.
@brittle swift He's Lewis from the Mystery Skull series. And I apologize for that. I didn't see his work last night when I posted this
@mild haven You have a great artstyle!
Thanks man, appreciate it
Thanks for understanding, shreeder
Is that a merge of Brook, and frankie
Brook, Here is the Brook#2964's avatar :
https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/354475702894198785/cb6414ed3be025418aa80257e859ca7d.png?size=2048
Just your every day corrupted Brook
Looks like an Oda drawing
Coloring *
ye, the linework is clearly not his, but the coloring is pretty similar
Hrmm
It's his characters so It's still looks like his to me....
Like the older high qual drawings he did
wip
The new blackbeard pirate crew
The mommy who gave birth and the daddy who planted his seed
cool
thats pretty cool stuff guys
why so thicc
Wanted to finally post some pics here but apparently I can’t so... do I link my stuff from Deviantart?
Role not found, Here is a list of available roles:
Faction
Revolutionaries
Marines
Pirates
Hush
Oh finally! Here you go, I’m a pixel artist btw
I fixed Oven’s pants but forgot to edit the pic on my Deviantart
Those are the pants he’s got in his settei
Dang that's nice!
^
Thx! I’d post more but these are the op ones
I will eventually make Kaido and so on, but I gotta wait for the anime
Have you seen the One Piece M.U.G.E.N.?
You can make characters for it if you wanted
Looks great @lament jungle , wish they were simpler though 😃
I used to work for like 3 different Mugen projects in the past
One of them was quite HD, when I was a Naruto fan
I made a Vergo, more sprites for Doflamingo and his family, stuff like that
those are amazing !!! really well done!
oooooo!!
To do this one I basically used a real landscape and edited some filters with PS, the shapes of WB and Madara, along with tsunami and Susanoo, are all pixels
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLBf2uk_AW8
Here’s a video of one game I made
This is an early showcase of the Impel Down Story Mode Stage. It shows the First Scene Where the Player wakes up in a cell, he doesn't know why and how he go...
I wonder if I have the Doffy you made
Don’t know, the sprites were from Gigant Battle but I made more for the sheet of the game
Then the coder went and made an awesome job, he was like the best Mugen coder ever to us
Then he started working so... no more Mugen 😦
oh
@lament jungle very nice 
Thanks!
I was supposed to draw a “Sam” so I literally just drew Luffy bc he’s simple to draw😂😂
What is a Sam?
Same without e @brittle swift
A “Sam”

@tiny osprey
Fuck. I still forgot the neck and collar bones
Ahh whatevvs
Can anyone help me with the collar bones? I hate those in this perspective
few adjustments.
nice
"dun wanna do tha hair, put a mushroom there"
🤔
Smoker WIP
Looks good so far
That chest and cloth looks similar, rest all 
How come I can't upload an image directly into discord on this specific discord? Do I need like a role or permission?
That's what I was guessing, I got it. Thanks.
WIP Carrot, about 40% line art.
Working on a new D&D character. She is a "magician" by being an arcane trickster that scams people in the street while pickpocketing them.
@jade kiln 10 out of 10 for best girl
I had a dnd character like that
But he wasn't very adept in doing anything magic
He was a Rogue Thief
@icy goblet Just wait till I finish! Going to be a few days though.
Interesting choice of colors
Those are some interesting characters heh. It's always cool to see how a person draws someone else's design. On a side note not a whole lot of people comment here huh?
rip
My OC, a Sentient Devil Fruit that possesses those who eat it and possesses the knowledge of everyone to have ever eaten it.
It looks like it would cut me if I tried to eat it.
I dont really have any comments for it, but it does look spiky
it looks like the advance version of mera mera no mi
What's it's awakening
-role Pirates
Gave you the role!
Why did pung just give themselves a role in art
You went nuts with the chi in the corner there
Chidori.
@brittle swift its awakening is basically that it can asimilate knowledge from everyone within a set radius, and freely exchange said knowledge between each other, naturally including memories.
The fruit is itself the character
as i said it takes over whoever eats it
it has its own personality
But they pretty basic compared to yours
i like to consider it the knowledge fruit
basically whenever someone eats it they "mantle" the set personality of the fruit, and this personality has both the memories of the current body its inhabiting as well as anyone else who has ever eaten it
it also steals knowledge and memories from others via its awakening as i said
and can exchange them to other people as well
Oh. That's cool. Guessing it can only be a paramesia. And here I thought the Gunpowder-Gunpowder fruit would be cool.
when they recieve the new memory, they believe it is their own memory
so
can be used for trickery
its agenda is actually quite simple, it has no other goal than to obtain all the knowledge of the world
So It's a natural enemy of the world gov. then
yeah
Is your name the name of the df?
yes
Gouki means "Great Demon"
in english it would be called the Satan Satan Fruit
That sounds like a mythical zoan
its a paramecia
I mean the name
yeah i getcha
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/287380465575526400/511324640292110336/image0.jpg
Hi everyone. My friend recently made this for Zoros bday and I thought it looked like a broccoli. I wanted to know what other people’s thoughts on this are.
How to get access to upload art here?
s
If you want to be able to post images here you have to get a role with the “-role [rolename]” command in #bots @abstract kite
Damn that’s pretty good good job 👍
!invert
@jade kiln It's just a spoiler
What?
It has not happened in the anime yet and this channel doesn't allow content past the anime.
I mean there was a preview of her at the end of last Sunday's episode
So technically it has been seen no? Or was made known.
Then just wait a week.
Whatever, forget it.
@Logia#9654 awesome job on the carrot art but I think the left arm was a bit off. Other than that it was nice.
Wow he left the channel.
@abstract kite We don't allow content that hasn't happened in the anime yet here.
Phase 1 nearly complete
Inkling girl
THICC
Oi oi oi
What's up fuckers
Ooh I see an Itachi
Wait
This isn't manga
Shit
🤔
i'd eat it
The abs look off
But I hope people like the goblin I did on my iPad
Not perfect but I’m fine with it
I love him
Why thank you
But it does have some little problems that I feel picky about
But the more mistakes you can find in not only your own but others as well the better artist you become
Just experimenting on ways I can draw hulk
Also helps with using pens because as you might obviously know lines are a good way of shading if your only using pens
- you’re
this is my favorite new channel
^
@brittle swift That looks really good dude
I think the shape of the face is just a bit messed up
otherwise its great
geer sehkond
Wow that is art if I’ve ever seen it
😂
'#
+
This is really sick
@surreal crater Content from the manga that hasn't been animated yet is not allowed here.

It looks pretty rough around the edges but I think it’s epic enough for me
Does anyone use notes?
Wow that’s some creative stuff
Just testing out my shading
Might do a little more work on it later
Oh and also forgot to outline the rest of the left ear yikes😬
dank
ty ❤
This will look really good with colours
Not that it doesn’t look good without btw
Is it you drawing your little sister or is it your little sister drawing a baby face ? @mild haven
It's me imprinting the images of my brain in a paper using a graphite pencil
Wow that’s really good dude
So @mild haven do you do like portraits and that?
Reminds me of cuphead for some reason. I like your art style, keep it up homie
Wanted to share this
huh
First ''serious'' try
Dope
Strathmore? @digital crystal
lol. The seller on amazon for my deleter black no. 6 ink sent me a second bottle by accident
What do you mean by Strathmore @short pulsar
Your sketchbook with the ringband. Thought I recognised it.
Oh alright
Can you help me with this poll? I want to draw a OP character but I'm indecisive. I would be glad if you can vote:
https://twitter.com/artgomes9/status/1065769865129144320?s=19
Last drawing:
would art drawn on a table count?
Without the text
You guys like dabbing right

This is wholesome af, Source series: Danganronpa v3 and pokemon. Artist: https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga_big&illust_id=67277939&page=11
A bunch of pictures of little girls
weeb culture is actually pretty disgusting
artwork like the ones posted above prove my point
Although it's not a very good collage and I don't really like the drawings... Can you do better? @jovial tide
It's not even sexually tinted 😛
Oh shit no @short pulsar i completely forgot! University have been hell these last months and I have barely managed to not dropp out out of frustration
Drew Luffy as a Nurse
Wooooooow

That gave me an idea. A syringe with a bone as the plumper
but that's impossible to draw well as a tiny detail 😛
There must be a way to make a chicken drumstick look like a syringe
Imagine luffy on his worst day, ala malnourished on whole cake island. trying his best to get a kick
Last time I tried to find the drawings Robin did, like Carrot's, right? @tranquil orchid
She has though bubbles though
There were more examples...
but I can't find them 😦
It's difficult because of all the porn :/
That one is cute though.
law and luffy ♥
thank you babu and akaii 
your welcome
am also excited to get home to play with the blackest black ink in the world
they are just scribbles as I was waiting for the pages to load tho 😂
do it akaii and share ur art with us 
black white art is fun 😄
yeap me too
it is more simplified and regal
but many artists do not like the "cursed white"
their like oof too much white
lack of creativity T_T
yes it is but knowing no more like letting your self loose in that "white" space is a amazing feeling
yeap a LOT
when u see ur final product
which is why i do calligraphy on the side
helps me improve the brush strokes when I do the toning
and u can overcome the challenge. its the greatest feeling
exactly
I dont visit this channel much either akaii 😂
start with really small letters which has less strokes but harder to accentuate the breath between strokes
me too it is nice to talk about art to other people lol
fonts and backgrounds are still my main weaknesses
lol
ahhh I think I rly need to find a book about lettering
i sometime feel that Im not doing well enough with figures
so I always put my focus on that
yes your line tech is fine
but needs improvement in certain area I guess it comes with practice 👍
yeah ofc 😂
tbh making comic is another way to improve your skill
but comic takes A LOT of time
i might try to continue my comic again in the end of dec when I have some days off
neat! well I tried to do a comic once I always get lost in pacing
More Luffy sketches i did
What’s with people and feet????
👏
head study for a chinese dragon i drew
yes, i mixed a traditional Chinese dragon with an alligator
it also has a lot of reduction from the chest onwards
sorta reminds me of a ghost a bit
the reduction is cuz i only wanted to focus on the head. i have variations of this pic with slightly altered heads in the case of a head study. doing the rest of the body would take me a while
ah gotcha
like this one. it's an altered version with a shorter snout and less curves
I like he overly long snout because it would sorta work like the barrel of a rifle, only for a breath
Drew ace

They are pretty dope
ffs dont say dope, youre giving me an aneurism with that stupid phrase
say rad, hip or groovy
Drew my OC with Lucci a while back
I don't feel like that when I say dope. But I do feel bad when anyone says lit
And pretty cool drawing man, i like it

I thought it Wass fitting for me because I’m grandma and she is kinda maybe close to a grandma
*was
Anyone know who made this fanart of O-kiku?
Grandma, you've done some great work
Please do not reprint without my permission http://instagram.com/shell_maru
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Shemaru (korcht06), @fresh cloak
You can find a lot by doing a reverse image search: https://images.google.com/
Google Images. The most comprehensive image search on the web.
upload image files or by link and you get results 😃
I tried, but there were so many other uploads I couldn't find the original. Thank you very much
it was very easy to find for me 😃
@final junco needs a lot of work still but it's a nice start
doom this is amazing 😮
it's reallly proportionate and i love that the lines are so clean
what app did you use?
photoshop
Is that jake
yes
must take lot of patience 
less than actual drawing 😄
still, Im the most impatient person in the world 😂
Wow Doom thats awesome!!
James e. Teach. And that is his gundam, the edward teach gundam.
Dude I would love to learn how to draw mechanical things
oh that's great
any of you can put a christmas hat on Katakuri for me and send it to me thnx
Dude I love Tony Stark
Wym, thats Peter from Deadpool 2
looks like doctor strange to me 
Damn, does it
Looks like Dr strange to me.
guys that’s obviously Peter Quill
Have you guys tried or used Affinity photo? or know of a good alternative to Photoshop?
preferably one without subscriptions
Never heard of Affinity Photo, but for digital painting, 'Krita' does the job, it's on point with Photshop, ofc I'd prefer Ps...
never tried affinity photo either 😮
i only use SAI and CSP. and Ps for finishing
a doodle I drew on sunday night
Wow both awesome 👏
Definitely not perfect but I was just trying to come up with a character off the top of my head
I like it
Refinement on lines is pretty good
He’s yelling at someone idk
Maybe I should put blood and scratches on his face or something
In trying to post a design I made but it dosent let me
You have to get a faction with the -role command, @young rain come to #bots
@near pecan thanks
This is my latest design if you have any request add me and let me know :)
Can yall stop crossdressing Luffy
never! Muahahaha!
The edward teach gundam
Named after the original blackbeard
It was built from three gundams
The nu gundam, hi nu gundam and the original rx78, aka the first gundam ever made
Its fast, powerful and precise
And it was built by blackbeards descendant james eric teach
noice
thats some pretty cool stuff I like your style
appreciate it
!rank
@digital crystal , this anatomy piece with your account name is a bit funny XD
well done though!
Not mine
No role, probably
Fuck
Why do people make this shit???
is that luffy and katakuri?
who knows
He’s oldest out of the 44
hey man i how do i get better in drawing, ill be joining a contest next month and i only know stick figures shit
I just did a quick sketch of Cat Viper
Started drawing my pokemon platnium team
Um... what?
Made my twitch Avatar
Epic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://medibang.com/picture/x21812060401552840001616195/ who did better. Franky or this Gundam genius
Here’s a win
A wip
These are amazing do you do like animations or anything?
-like that probably should’ve ended my sentence like that
😲
How big would these be irl?
Why is Croc black? Just curious
vary big i suppose
@dusty terrace 
i know this is a joke,but i just started drawing,i will do my best and i will deserve that role
Cool
i got bored and made a Nami Padoru
then i made a Robin
Do Perona
i was just trying to draw padoru nami :ccc
lol i started drawing 2 days before,i didn't think that i will be able to draw a basic form of jashin-chan
althogh its too messy,still like it!
I WILL KEEP IT UP,NEXT STEP:ONE PIECE THING
i used a flash while i was in a dark room
that's dope,karar
The fuck?
Ik
Its his mom
This isnt incest
This is just a reunion
@brittle swift to answer your question look at the size comparison.
Thats arc gurren lagann size
Luckly I've watched Gurren Lagann so I understand the size
Yus
He pilots the arc gurren lagann sized gundam
He invented the gundams after all
Luffy
Stop this
bruv
I'm on my knees at this point
@daring radish that is disgusting and @bronze fulcrum the art style is good but this is still fuckin weird
Can’t be any more disgusting than toei animation
True
@daring radish, did you just . . . . . . . draw luffy in a sexual manner?
@bronze fulcrum, I too thought it was female luffy but there's no breasts.
Mommy shield my eyes
thank you for burying that cursed image
but damn
you take hour glass woman body to a whole new level
@winged shard you wanna keep talking art come here
am here
Ping whoever else ya want
im not sure whoe else would be interested
Okay so do you make cash from you drawings? I don’t think I asked
Is there no way to expand the audience
if you want to make money you must draw weird stuff
Basically keep hitting the bricks until you get more people
Yeah patreon is a good move
yeh
You can do the equivalent of what bands do
Play cover songs and requests while supplemental work with your originals
yeah
Since Im mostly based in twitter theres always the suprise of just getting retweeted by a bigger artist
The internet is so overwhelmed with people making terrible original content that no one cares for people’s oc unless already established
Which is why getting that commission money would be amazing
Have you tried that work?
just draw furry porn
not actually
though I do have some old art of sonic that Ive buried
Well, come up with a couple drawings to showcase
Make a patreon
And start spreading that shit wherever
I dont know
making a patreon at the moment would seems piddly
Well do you have paypal
I think im not going to bother with any of that stuff until Im actually ever asked by someone for a commission
Well fair enough
But the idea for showcasing your skills
I think you should pursue it
I feel like a got fairly okay growth already for only starting twitter a couple of months ago
Oh shit
I didn’t know that was only a couple months
Also link me your twitter
I’ll follow ys
Ya
sure buddy, whatever you say
so sab
Hmm?
Im curious what exactly youve all done in your time
As far as?
apparently you know music, wood burning and writing
Well I’ve dabbled in most
I wouldn’t say I know
But
I’ve painted, drawn, written, wood burned, done some light leather embossing, sculpted once (I am beyond bad won’t do again), carved, and sewed one thing
Outside of art it’s mostly been guitar repair as far as the wood working goes
Oh and I was an actor
artsy boi
what would you say you were most interested in
what do you mean
So second would be wood work
retro I like your stuff, especially the color pallete
thanks
if I had a twitter I'd follow
🙏 bless
The acting community is catty and full of demands that I am not wanting to reach
Plus they amount of rich, arrogant, trust fund snobs doing it pisses me off
So I fly solo
your specific acting community?
yeah I like having much more personal and solo stuff
I always imagine doing a band would be terrible
doing solo stuff is satisfying
I totally agree. Thing is, drawing is fun and all but the world is full of artists much better than myself
And much more stylish
Oh yeah and I played music
Forgot to mention
well the secret is, that you could find your own niche in drawing/ general art
Yeah that is true but tbh I have wayyyy more fun wood working/leather working
I always liked the idea of being unique in very subtle things you do
The idea of building a piece of art I could use always stuck with me
you mean a physical piece of art?
that sounds very cool
I prefer digital because I can literally make it live forever
The style of guitar I want to make is super hard apparently but I want to do it
what is it
what a country hick
it does look cool in the idea that it looks more like a classic instrument
You have to legit bend the wood and then combine two halves together
Well the idea is to make a couple different models
ive been watching a lot of little house on the praire lately, so Im getting into the idea of wood work
I always liked the idea of naming my guitar models after birds
sounds birdist
I have like 10 different bird guitar ideas Mainly song birds but
Also a couple of like random ones
have you made any guitars yet
for shame
The body was pre cut
So
Meh
I don’t count it in the wood work way as much as the electronics
eh, I dont actually have a problem with that
whats that exactly
So you can’t just wire the pick ups to a jack and call it a day
You will get feedback for daysssssss
Lol okay let’s go basic
So the way a guitar (electric anyway) picks up sound is through the pick ups
Pickups are the square, round, or whatever shaped deals you see on the front of the guitar
The gold bricks up there in the orange one
okay so, your also dealing with the wiring or whatever of the guitar and not just acoustic
Im curious, how exactly do you view expression
this question might suck, but I mean what is like your ethos for anything
Like for my drawings Im just trying to do what I think visually looks the coolest and not much beyond that
I had to google ethos
So, expression to me anyway
yeah like you were talking about the novel earlier, how old generations replace the new
retro this is funny because the first impression your art gave me is that kind of cool stuff
Would that be a core idea of you
Has mainly to do with the ideas I have in my head about how the world works
I think you managed it
yes,
I work very hard to be a cool boy
So the novel I am writing is based in the old west (actually began writing this way before I played RDR2)
just admit your doing red dead fan fiction
And the reason I chose that era is because not only could I tell a story where a person doesn’t want to change over the guard so to speak
But the world is changing around him
Lmao I am seriously not. I started this i 2015
In
how far are you in
Well about 5 chapters, each one about 30 pages
But I come back to it and then leave it every now and again
It’ll be a long time before it is fone
Done
ik the feel
You gotta show me something at some point
sounds awful
Eh just making sure people play by the rules
Your lucky I like the sentence playing by the rules or would bully that








