anime

[sudden shoal]

patch update

[rigid quiver]

My mom said vote Kiku (she thinks I meant Kaku...)

[orchid fiber]

did you vote for kiku then

[reef plaza]

vote kaku bro

[shell perch]

Yes yes vote kaku

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kaku-kaku-one-piece-cp9-enies-lobby-gif-24828672

[reef plaza]

LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/khajit-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-13407883883396268014

[vital sparrow]

i dont like kaku's devil fruit

[reef plaza]

0syn has wares

if you have coin

[vital sparrow]

its goofy as hell

[rigid quiver]

I have a 20+ long list of characters I have to vote (I asked my mom to name some characters to vote for and Kaku was one of them)

[shell perch]

Me do have coin

[deep salmon]

All the more reason to vote for Yamato

[reef plaza]

you know what

FUCK ALL OF THEM

[orchid fiber]

so did you vote for kiku then

[reef plaza]

vote for garp

[shell perch]

Loading would vote garp

[vital sparrow]

garp is the goat

[reef plaza]

we should all aspire to be like him

look at this guy

[shell perch]

Fr

[reef plaza]

episode 469 he knows the truth

[orchid fiber]

btw chat i got two cats on my lap right now so your opinion is invalid

[rigid quiver]

I already did my one vote for the day

[orchid fiber]

oh that’s ok :) you can vote for kiku tomorrow then :)

[vital sparrow]

mr 2 is the goat

[sudden shoal]

i like that it was a banana

[reef plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/khajit-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-13407883883396268014

0syn has wares if you have coin

[deep salmon]

[sudden shoal]

i should download skyrim on my samsung fridge

[vital sparrow]

doom

[steep musk]

NO NO NO NO PLEASE NO FIGHTS ON THE ROOFTOP NO NO NO

HELP HEEELP

[sudden shoal]

what if they fell off the roof

[vital sparrow]

bro akainu is terrible

[steep musk]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-anime-tears-crying-nico-robin-gif-16675110

[stable haven]

yo do u guys think my edits r good?? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I1omoR-Ihtg

[vital sparrow]

actually a demon

[shell perch]

#promote-yourself

[sudden shoal]

you gotta let the youtuber slop eaters decide! not us

[stable haven]

oh thanks

[rigid quiver]

Zoro got stuck in a chimney

[stone wasp]

Yall garping in here

[shell perch]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-chopper-one-piece-ratgray-gif-27419706

[tardy lake]

[vital sparrow]

i feel like they shouldve eaten chopper

[sudden shoal]

i think abt this a lot

[sudden shoal]

i also think about how she was on mat leave for this a lot

[vital sparrow]

i hope akainu dies

[orchid fiber]

chat i can’t get up

the cats are staying on my lap they aren’t letting me move

[shell perch]

What are they made out of concrete?

[sudden shoal]

oh a cat is always made out of concrete when you want to move somewhee

[shell perch]

no wonder

[orchid fiber]

these fuckers ain’t moving

[shell perch]

I would always want to get up to go somewhere but my cat would make it impossible to stand up

[shell perch]

Throw a cat toy or point a laser somewhere

[orchid fiber]

i would need to get up to get one

[shell perch]

lol if one is close to you

[uncut citrus]

meow

[subtle charm]

"next stop fishman island" and its literally 200 episodes away

200 episodes and 9 arcs

[sudden shoal]

they dont know!

[orchid fiber]

wdym? :) fishman island is next! i can't wait to see what the crew gets up to now that they have a new shipwright!

:)

[rigid quiver]

Was Drum Island the first time we had the SHs want to go to an island but then they end up not going there

[orchid fiber]

interpreting this as the straw hats REALLY wanted to go to drum island but had to miss it

[sudden shoal]

you guys agree with what the japanese streets are sayin

that bb went to drum because he wanted choppers fruit

[orchid fiber]

or wapol's fruit

[rigid quiver]

That's been a long standing theory yeah

[orchid fiber]

it could even have been dalton's... much to think about

[rigid quiver]

I mean especially in FMI with that bit about who would want Chopper's fruit

[orchid fiber]

never forget that chopper lost arm point

[sudden shoal]

[sudden shoal]

more like fuck does he need it for i guess

[orchid fiber]

you're right, kung fu point really does it all

charlotte asked me a good question a bit ago; could chopper tank a king punch? i think he could quite nicely

[stone pivot]

watched like 14 eps today im starting the grind

[orchid fiber]

hell yeah

are you enjoying one piece

[stone pivot]

hell yea!!!

[orchid fiber]

catching up doesn't really mean anything if you aren't enjoying yourself

great! that's wonderful

[stone pivot]

well ive been watching 10 eps per day since last monday or some

im at 93 ep

[stone pivot]

yea!!

[orchid fiber]

great progress yeah

that's, what, already in the grand line?

look at you, you're almost there already

[stone pivot]

yea

[stone pivot]

i have 1000 more eps

[orchid fiber]

what joy

[stone pivot]

wdym

[orchid fiber]

so much more one piece left to experience

i wish i could have that much to read

[stone pivot]

i love watching it

[sudden shoal]

TRUEEE

[rain urchin]

Should I use One Pace for Wano

[orchid fiber]

you can do anything you want always

[sudden shoal]

you control your journey man

[rain urchin]

true

[orchid fiber]

have you been hopping on platinum kaizo

[sudden shoal]

you do NOT have to ask strangers

[rain urchin]

i think I'm tryna guage what i'd be missing out on tbh

[sudden shoal]

you can just do

[orchid fiber]

you'll miss out on some stuff

[sudden shoal]

i think youll live if you just watch it normally

[orchid fiber]

but if you're considering one pace to begin with then you likely don't care too much

[sudden shoal]

countless people have

[orchid fiber]

neither do we

[sudden shoal]

this too

consider how much you respect the media youre engaging with and go from there!

[rain urchin]

I mean I've already been using One Pace for a few arcs now, I just know that the animation makes like a huge jump in wano so I was thinking about hopping off

[sudden shoal]

god no if only i had TIME.

[mossy flower]

Hi guys just wanna say goodnight to everyone im goin to sleep now
rest well everyone, love y'all!!!

[orchid fiber]

i have zero respect in my heart for eiichiro oda and toei animation

[orchid fiber]

i've been streaming it it's been brutal

[mossy flower]

[orchid fiber]

20ish attempts in and i've made it to roark once

[sudden shoal]

LMAO

dp anime lookin ass

[rain urchin]

I think really I'm just trying to catch up quickly while also still getting as much as I can out of it

thanks for the adviceee

[orchid fiber]

my pc might be a little dookie broken so i'm gonna try to fix it tonight or tomorrow but once it's back i'll be streaming a lot more you should catch it sometime

[orchid fiber]

then read the manga

[sudden shoal]

dont catch up "quickly" theres no point

[rain urchin]

I have been im more ahead in the manga

I still far prefer anime tho

[sudden shoal]

ah

[rain urchin]

well I was tryna see if I could do it before elbaf came out but that's def out of the cards now lol

[main quartz]

Guys we all should put a usopp pfp on april 1 okay

[sudden shoal]

now that i beat pokopia i think the next game i move on to is romancing saga 2 buuuut im also dabbling in an oras randomizer with 50% enemy level modifier and its all doubles lmao and some needy streamer overload if youve heard of that

[main quartz]

Cuz its his birthday

[sudden shoal]

im also playing radiant historia still

[orchid fiber]

oras randomizer sounds heat

isn't it a little hell to mod the 3ds games?

[sudden shoal]

nahhh

just plop a r*m into the universal randomizer

it pops out a layeresfs

[orchid fiber]

oh sure

[sudden shoal]

drag it to my romfs folder

[orchid fiber]

i guess i'm thinking of full dedicated hacks

i know that's why we barely have any gen 7 hacks

[sudden shoal]

yeah thats way more invovled randomizing is less so

theres only like 2 i think

but i looove penumbra moon

[orchid fiber]

yeap lol

[sudden shoal]

i play it yearly

[orchid fiber]

i'll add it to the list lol i think my hands will be full with pk for the time being

[sudden shoal]

the problem with modern pokemon is that i want to beat hoenn with a cetitan but i cant DO THAT

[orchid fiber]

oh you'll like the hack i'm making

[sudden shoal]

but that nemo622 person is doin gods work

theyre doin a gen 7 demake soon

[orchid fiber]

i'm cooking up some BULLSHIT

[sudden shoal]

yeah ill def be there when you finish

[orchid fiber]

blah i need to fix a lot of sprites for that still

hey do you like doing pixelart and like doing work for free

[sudden shoal]

LMAO nope and id be no help im terrible

[orchid fiber]

awwww but i'm worse

[sudden shoal]

i actually found out the other day that you cant hack a 3ds anymore??

[orchid fiber]

spoilers; i'm adding lusamine to this game

[sudden shoal]

baaaaasssed

what about mohn

[orchid fiber]

only in reference, i don't want to sprite anyone i don't have to 😭

the story i'm cooking will be kind of reliant on lusamine (and i'll probably need some aether grunts)

[sleek willow]

Yo guys should I prepare for an arc after the Whole Cake Island arc to be more sad?

Cuz low-key this arc got me BALLING!

[vague eagle]

I'm in the middle of Zo after Dress Rosa 🥲
I'm worried about Cake Island

[orchid fiber]

i don't care but let me see that pfp of yours

!pfp @sleek willow

[acoustic gulch]

Here is @sleek willow's avatar.

[orchid fiber]

heat

[sleek willow]

Thanks bro

😁👍

It’s just a random Midnight Lycanroc fusion I picked

It’s a fusion inspired by Da-Dan-da-Dan

[sleek willow]

U should😭💔

[blazing mantle]

!animo

[acoustic gulch]

Next episode comes out on <t:1775404800:F> <t:1775404800:R> (Hiatus time)

[abstract locust]

I swear, I'm going to crash out if another episode that could have potentially been the greatest thing ever created is ruined by these horrible characters

episode 405 just now was ruined by Luffy, Robin, Chopper, Usopp, and Sanji

and usually at least one of those characters ruins every episode, only characters that haven't ruined any episodes are Franky and Brooke but they're the newest ones for me so they haven't really gotten many chances

[sudden shoal]

lmfao

[uncut citrus]

😭

[fervent kraken]

Im on dressrosa rn do robin and nami get outfits as fire as pre-timeskip

[neon tusk]

howdy howdy, who up

[marble wraith]

bro.

[neon tusk]

6 am is hella early

[marble wraith]

i js woke up

[neon tusk]

go back to bed and get more sleep

[marble wraith]

uh

i kinda couldnt-

[neon tusk]

why not

[marble wraith]

i slept at like

2 am

and i could NOT sleep

like at all

[neon tusk]

is that normal for you or were you just fumbling the falling asleep process

[blazing mantle]

Your sleep schedules messed mate

I can’t really speak it’s 4am

[neon tusk]

I'm quite tired so I'd actually be going to bed early if I slept now

[marble wraith]

i mean

depends on if its a school night or not

[blazing mantle]

Here was my vote today

[marble wraith]

but its so not so i dont rly care

[neon tusk]

Violet wouldn't be in dreamland if she wasn't sleeping (call that a reference)

[marble wraith]

this is my next vote dont hate me😭

i like his walk

[marble wraith]

katakuri was my favorite before watching

[blazing mantle]

Nice

Random One Piece Characters #9

Uraya Mashikatta
Pirate

He hated the Seven Warlords system. He was so enthusiastic about the abolishment that he celebrated further and passed out drunk.

His name is a pun on urayamashikatta, a Japanese phrase for “I was envious”. This implies he was hostile regarding the Warlords due to envy!

[marble wraith]

woah

thats cool

[marble wraith]

stop dying

[knotty dawn]

man i'm on EP 958 first watch through. act 3 wano.... did Oda just forget robin existed after the time skip? what has she even done since then? I don't think i've seen her fight yet

like she got some cool power ups during the 2 years, but like... she hasn't even used them

everyone got cooler after time skip... robin got gutted. turned her from sly dark scrappy fighter to scared hiding bimbo.... feels so bad... bring back thriller bark robin

[fiery crescent]

True

[whole ember]

/hiatus

[fiery crescent]

!animo

[acoustic gulch]

Next episode comes out on <t:1775404800:F> <t:1775404800:R> (Hiatus time)

[whole ember]

Oh thank you

Yay only 12 days

[knotty dawn]

yeah like... she din't even doing anything here... this entire arc all she did was make a shield and get rekt. (which is a super weird choice since this arc introduced a character that's entire fruit power is to make shields that don't hurt him)

Like... what changes if she's just not even f*king there? literally nothing. She showed up to take dmg..... and nothing else lol

[fiery crescent]

You need to realise that as time passed Robin became more and more comfortable and honest with herself. She used to be mysterious, untrusting and closed herself off, until she met the good friends she was promised that she'd meet one day. She is happier now and that shows through Oda's art. Like– what else do you want from her? You are blantantly ignoring and belittling her development and you call her a scared hiding bimbo, which is obviously false, she never backed down from a fight.

[knotty dawn]

TL'DR being happy made her weak????

[fiery crescent]

What

[knotty dawn]

what development?

her devlopment happened in water 7/enies lobby, and after alabasta.

she only regressed after that

[runic ledge]

I mean you're asking for power scaling development from the archeologist of the crew

[knotty dawn]

@runic ledge im really not

her power scaling already happened during the time skip

the power scaling exists

what im asking for is a showcase of it

since the time skip, she hasn't had any combat at all other than that one totally uneccassary shield she makes, and then becomes an actual sex worker in wano lol....

[fading brook]

did u not see her fight with black maria

[knotty dawn]

google shows that happens in 1044 so i guess not. i'm on 958. I'll look forward to that

[fading brook]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-weird-wtf-wth-tf-gif-23086365

[fiery crescent]

Did you not watch One Piece?

Lmao

Did you even understand what i said?

[knotty dawn]

we're talking about post time skip.... and you referenced things from well before that. Did you even understand what you said?

I already said robin peaked in thriller bark

[fiery crescent]

What did she do in Thriller Bark

[knotty dawn]

SHE GREW FREAKING WINGS

[fiery crescent]

Lmfao

[knotty dawn]

nah that shit was bad ass right there

get out

[fiery crescent]

I'm crying

[knotty dawn]

but nah, apart from that meme, thriller bark was the last time she wasn't a scared little bimbo...

Everyone freaking out about zombies, and robin plain faced "we're going to die here queue simba i laugh in the face of danger

[fiery crescent]

Robin's gag

That still exists

Lol

[knotty dawn]

if that was written post time skip it would have just been GASP queue jiggle physics

followed by "what do we do now!?" turns to any male on the crew

anyway, robin was my favorite character for her strong willed scrappy and fearless independence all the while staying the most intelligent and sophisticated member of the crew... now she's just a bimbo that can hardly think or fight for herself while everyone around her got more self reliant and capable

like... lets make this even simpler to analyze

[sudden shoal]

you can just be wrong thats ok

you dont have to make this our problem

i promise you

you straight up are just not absorbing the material and thats fine but we cant do anything for you

[knotty dawn]

imagine a line graph.

x axis goes from pre time skip to current.

y axis is confidence/self reliance.

now plot usopp and robin.

and tell me the intersect isn't at the time skip

[sudden shoal]

did you just learn this in school what is this why did you spend so much time on it

[knotty dawn]

????

bro that was 30 seconds... is that a lot of time to you lol

wait

[fiery crescent]

Same gags in post ts btw

[knotty dawn]

genz attnetion span?

30 seconds must be milennia for you lmfao

[knotty dawn]

are those all from fishman?

[fiery crescent]

Fishman, Punk Hazard and Zou

[knotty dawn]

because fishman robin was actually fire,i know that's post time skip

but like... i feel thats the only time

I felt like that was oda giving an addict their first taste before cutting them off

[fiery crescent]

Well, you can see that it's not lol

[runic ledge]

pretty sure she also says something morbid in wano

[fiery crescent]

She does

[runic ledge]

about some drowning spirit or some shit

[knotty dawn]

i don't think i've gotten there yet

[sudden shoal]

ok so what the fuck are we doing then

[runic ledge]

lol

[fiery crescent]

I've given examples that you supposedly saw by now

[knotty dawn]

bruh did you just show up late to troll... the literal first sentence was the exact episode im on

grow up

if all you have are ad hominems.... like just don't

[sudden shoal]

your argument just doesnt work what arent you seeing

they posted the panels

the tangible proof agains your argument

[knotty dawn]

show me where those panels show her actually having a fihgt

like i appreciate that she still has the morbid gags

[sudden shoal]

fighting isnt the only thing these characters do this isnt a battle shounen

[knotty dawn]

that wasn't the main point, just a tangent we came to

[sudden shoal]

the contribution to the team that robin can make is something like what she does for rebecca in dressrosa

where she takes a backful of wounds to protect rebecca entirely without even wincing or making it apparent she had done so

[knotty dawn]

ok so you need to scroll up... got it.... we covered all this already

[sudden shoal]

incredible feat of strength and clearly a moment of personal strength from robin to be one to protect someone else

[knotty dawn]

you did just jump in late

[runic ledge]

I hate having discussions with power scalers lol

[sudden shoal]

and if you havent caught up to the story it doesnt make sense to continue with your statement

[fiery crescent]

They are far enough to understand who Robin is by now

They just choose to ignore it

[sudden shoal]

its not like this is guesswork theres pictures drawn on the pages

theyre printed in books millions of people own them

so i dont get what you get out of pretending they arent there

[fiery crescent]

It's fine tho, can't change everyone's mind

[knotty dawn]

her incredible feat of strength was: showing up for no reason, making her self a liability, having to make a shield to offset the liability of her prescence... when all of that could have been mitigated by her just not even being there at all.

She legit showed up to be a victim and nothing else lmfao

[sudden shoal]

did /b/ send you or some shit what is this

is that why you said ad hominem

what does your interpretation even mean you think it was intentionally written the way you just laid it out why would you think thats the takeaway youre intended to have

[knotty dawn]

this isn't even about power scaling... jfc. I hate the idea that people need power scaling. I much prefer the cerebral aspect. Don't use that as a thought terminating cliche please.

[sudden shoal]

oh ok yeah no this guys doin fuckin bits

[runic ledge]

you're asking for feats of strength from the archeologist

if thats not power scaling then idk what is

[knotty dawn]

stop recycling the same thing mate.

we've done covered this. You need new material.

https://imgur.com/a/ngnAUHz

I'm waiting for robin to be a badass again in any capacity... that doesn't just mean fighting..

dragon is probably the most badass character i've seen yet and I haven't seen him fight at all.

I feel like ya'll are making mental gymnastics to cope with robin being less and less of a character as the series goes on

and calling that "development"

[runic ledge]

those are your words

[knotty dawn]

show the full context

go on i'll wait

[runic ledge]

I don't have to lol

but I'm done entertaining you

have fun watching

or don't, idc

[knotty dawn]

np i'll do it for you. because spoiler alert... they weren't my own words... i was quoting @sudden shoal .

womp womp.

https://imgur.com/a/sxjRcrS

[tardy lake]

What do you want Robin to do exactly

Raid on onigashima should have done what you wanted already

What do you need to be satisfied

Hit kaido with haki?

"I'm waiting for Robin to be a badass again"

BLUD HAVE YOU SEEN HOW AMAZING SHE WAS AGAINST BLACK MARIA

[runic ledge]

they're not there yet

[tardy lake]

I assumed they were since they called Robin a sex worker in wano

[runic ledge]

I think they mentioned their latest episode was 950 something

[raw temple]

so like

[tardy lake]

This question itself shows that you aren't absorbing the material well to know about her feats probably continue watching or rewatch or something

[raw temple]

whats the issue with Robin on Dressrosa?

she protects Rebecca to allow Kyros to fight the source of his wife's death without worrying about her

is that a problem

where did we see her being scared

[tardy lake]

Don't know. and it's like top 3 most badass scenes too.

[raw temple]

ok chill on that

top 3 badass scenes is insane

llol

[tardy lake]

In the arc

[raw temple]

Im aware

oh

robin pfp

robin glazer

nvm...

[tardy lake]

She hid her pain to not ruin the moment for Rebecca and her father

[uneven aspen]

Robin is in my top 3 moments of op for sure

Its the el moment tho

[raw temple]

its a good scene but come on lol.

Gear 4? Kyros himself just standing in the spikes menacingly and tanking them? Franky vs Senor Pink? Barto using an attack thats an homage to gum gum pistol? Law giving Doffy the middle finger?

[tardy lake]

What LOL

[uneven aspen]

[raw temple]

Sabo showing up and winning the Mera Mera

[tardy lake]

[raw temple]

Luffy vs Don Chinjao, the first conquerors haki clash we see Luffy take part in?

Luffy fixing Don Chinjao's head?

his son breaking it again?

[tardy lake]

Well since Robin is my favorite it was immediately in my top 3

[runic ledge]

lol

[raw temple]

theres the honesty...

[tardy lake]

And don't get me started on the way she stopped Cavendish

[raw temple]

and then THIS?

[tardy lake]

Grr

But yeah the point is Robin has her moments

And they're as amazing as the other moments

[raw temple]

I think her moments in Dressrosa were neat but I dont think shes gotten any truly amazing moments post TS until Wano

[tardy lake]

Erm actually

Well to be fair

When did she ever get the chance to do anything from dressrosa until wano

[raw temple]

?

I said post ts

not post dressrosa

[tardy lake]

THAT'S NOT TRUE SHE DID AMAZING IN FISHMAN ISLAND AND DRESSROSA

[raw temple]

emotionally she was pretty static until wano. Most of her moments were just kinda being there for fights

its why she fell so much on my SH rankings until wano

[tardy lake]

She wasn't

[raw temple]

used to be one of my favs, but became less interesting for me starting FMI

[tardy lake]

Also wdym by that

[raw temple]

and became more interesting again in Wano

[raw temple]

like there hadnt been much personally for her own character

I mean like, having a moment where she fights a no name fishman

or as support in a fight

isnt as interesting as other stuff like her embracing her demon moniker in wano

chopper and usopp have also suffered a lot lately for similar reasons

[tardy lake]

There have been subtle moments where it kinda feels connected to her character

[raw temple]

lately sure, I dont really have an issue with her portrayal since near the beginning of wano

but from FMI until then?

[tardy lake]

One of them is when she protected Rebecca as you said

[raw temple]

it had been less interesting. Felt like she was in perma " 🙂 my friends got this" mode with the occasional morbid gag

[tardy lake]

She was funny when she told Franky not to do faces in chopper's body

So that's unique

[raw temple]

thats her deadpan "I dont go along with the group's jokes" gag. Similar to the one where she refused to dock

I dont have an issue with that moment

but like

chopper and usopp have had funny moments

[tardy lake]

She only ever said that in zou wtf

[raw temple]

but they still have an issue with character focus

beyond just cute moments

[raw temple]

im not talking about a quote

Im saying her general demeanor

just being smiley and unemotive

[tardy lake]

If you say that then egghead did a lot more

[raw temple]

ever since she "found her home" with the SHs after enies lobby, she became a big stagnant. Theres an element of finality to her arc in trusting them, but that also caused some stagnation for a while and I dont think oda knew what to do with her

[raw temple]

for usopp and chopper? No they still have that issue

it improved for robin, not them

[tardy lake]

Yes

[raw temple]

thats why I said starting with wano it got better...

Sanji is really the only character that has consistently gotten character focus throughout the entirety of post ts, and I think thats just because Oda held onto his true backstory for so long

Zoro gets some, Luffy gets a lot too

[tardy lake]

I still don't agree with Robin being less interesting she always felt included

[knotty dawn]

not there yet... maybe i'm bitching premature at 958.... its just been over 400 episodes for me since i've seen robin shine IMO

[raw temple]

I dont think she felt excluded, just not as emotionally resonant as possible

[knotty dawn]

i JUST STARTED wano act 3 so i look forward to ya'lls references

i didn't mean to spark such a heated debate

[tardy lake]

She needed time

[knotty dawn]

i was just sharing my honest opinoins as a first time watcher

this is my first real anime and i'm not used to these otaku arguments

[tardy lake]

I'm sure from wano moving forward we'll see a change

[raw temple]

you kinda are, but I do want to note, that Robin showing up at the flower field literally saved Rebecca's, or Kyros', or both of their lives. Without Robin there, Rebecca gets hit by the spikes. If she doesnt get hit by the spikes, its because Kyros defends her from them. If kyros defends her from them, Kyros is distracted which means Diamante defeats him. Then diamante kills him and rebecca back to back.

[tardy lake]

Yeah Literally officially Robin is labeled as the most important in the crew Idk what else is needed for people to realize Robin is not uesless

[raw temple]

Kyros is able to focus on Diamante because Robin protects Rebecca

[tardy lake]

But I get why you'd feel Robin is less relavent when she has done so much before it feels like she's doing nothing now

[knotty dawn]

yes... but.... if those two women aren't even there.... like... their only story device as a writter is to show up, and create a liability... that entire scene goes better if they just odn't even appear

its
bechdel test adjacent

[raw temple]

the two women are there because they're taking the key to rescue mansherry. They didn't know diamante was there

[tardy lake]

No Robin literally won the fight

[raw temple]

diamante appearing is a threat to their plan

in which kyros helps out

and Rebecca witnessing her father defeat her mother's killer is also the finale of her arc

so she has to be there for that moment as well

[knotty dawn]

k so like... give key to kyros... why are they there

??????

[raw temple]

they were there before kyros was

and now that theyre there, they have to deal with the threat

I think you're being a bit disingenuous

[knotty dawn]

thats soooooooooooooooooo my point exactly though mate... aren't you listening

like if this were pre time skip robin... rebecca and robin would have just dealth with the threat themselves... instead of waiting for big strong man to save the day instead of whimpering undrer a robin tree

[tardy lake]

That entire scene gets worse though writing wise Red has a point Rebecca has to be there fighting with her father

[knotty dawn]

why is it so hard for ya'll to awknowledge this is just poor writing at best and misogyny at worst

you don't have to adhere to sunk cost fallacy... its ok to change your stance

[tardy lake]

I didn't notice it's misogyny

[knotty dawn]

i've no doubt you didnt

[tardy lake]

I thought it was just a father coming in to save his daughter instead of a random man

[knotty dawn]

ok. so, think of it though

[tardy lake]

Plus as Red said to kill the man that killed his wife

[knotty dawn]

the entire segment before this...is a women, her choice of armor aside, proving herself in literal glaidotors arena, fighting against emporer crew mements, and WINNING without a single blow.....

but all of a sudden she needs big strong man to win a fight for her?

christ on a cracker man, take the fan boy blinders off....

she's was propped up to be a hyper capable fighter on her own... just to hide under a tree with the other hyper capable fighter turned wimping bimbo???????

coooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnn

this is exhausting

why is this so hard for ya'll to admit

i swear, your body pillow won't get mad lmfao

[tardy lake]

You're right

[raw temple]

heres the sequence of events.

Robin, Bartolomeo, and Rebecca are flying up to the top to find Mansherry and rescue her. Robin and Bartolomeo get knocked out of the sky by an explosion from the explosion fruit guy. They tell Rebecca that they'll be able to handle themselves, and that she should go on ahead to save mansherry. And that theyll catch up.

Barto defeats explosion guy to allow Robin to chase after Rebecca and help her.

Kyros and Rebecca arrive to the flower field at the same time.

Luffy and Law pass the two of them, and take the key, but the two of them are going to fight Doflamingo so she can't go with them. She stays behind with Kyros. Kyros then tells her "you don't need to fight anymore", something thematically appropriate to both Rebecca's and Kyros' arcs. Rebecca was fighting out of necessity, but follows the guidance of her teacher (toy soldier, aka her father) not to bloody her hands. A parallel to Kyros' internal struggle about not wanting to hold his own daughter because of his bloody hands, so he wears gloves. She then witnesses the score Kyros wants to settle.

Robin then shows up to the flower field.

Then the spikes start falling and she protects rebecca, thus allowing rebecca to witness the defeat of her mother's killer.

Neither of the two are a liability because robin prevents that from being an issue.

Robin could also very easily have helped with the fight, but the point was for Kyros to do it himself for his arc.

@knotty dawn

its a naturally progression of events. They are there because the story demands it, and the justification makes sense as to why they're there in the first place

[tardy lake]

There's a mistake in the beginning

You said bartolomeo two times

[raw temple]

Robin and Barto*

woops

Rebecca being there HAS to happen for this moment

its Kyros taking over Rebecca's role that she was forced into

and as her mentor and father, taking that burden away from her

also, important to note, they dont have future sight

they cant just assume diamante can fucking

make spike balls

fall from the sky

[knotty dawn]

ok. I conceede on the timeline of events here.

however, still from a writers and naratave choice perspective... this didnt need to happen this way. imo have rebecca and robin have a bad ass fight at the smile field.

have kyros join luffy against mingo.

afterall, mingo is the one that destroyed the kingdom and his family let kyros get direct revenge.

but you're right, that line of wirting is RATIONAL, but i still argue less than ideal.

and i very much appreicaite the mature and empirical arguemnt you present.

[tardy lake]

This is very off topic I know LMAO but kyros looks kinda like Dalton

[knotty dawn]

robing rebecca and barto... that's who should have fought what's his name

[knotty dawn]

nah this is facts tho

[tardy lake]

Yeah then what does kyros have to do

What is kyros's mission now that he's gone from that fight

[knotty dawn]

kyros goes to help luffy defeat the tryant that destoryed his family's kingdom instead of fighting an underling?

be real though... how is that not better. put yourself in kyros shoes....

[raw temple]

I think you're obsessed with this idea of the girls having a badass fight because you're tired of the depiction of women as damsel's in distress.

Neither of them are damsel's here. Rebecca doesn't like to fight but does it out of necessity. Kyros is taking that burden away from her. Not every woman in media needs to go against the grain of what is expected of their characters. That does not make them bad.

This isn't saying I don't appreciate those characters in stories, but Rebecca is not and never was that character. Your suggestion would be a detriment to the narrative for the sake of showcasing women having a badass fight. Kyros defeating the actual killer of his wife, and Rebecca no longer needing to fight, are both the finale of their arcs. Rebecca fighting is a direct contradiction of this.

[tardy lake]

Sorry but he can't do anything against doffy

[raw temple]

Kyros would be a liability against doffy

[knotty dawn]

why?

[raw temple]

ironically

so it seems like you're contradicting yourself a bit

[knotty dawn]

and if you say power scaling i'll lose my shit

[tardy lake]

It just doesn't work

[knotty dawn]

why

[tardy lake]

He'll just get in the way

[knotty dawn]

bruh... you're saying power scaling without saying power scaling lmfao

[tardy lake]

Yes

[raw temple]

if Kyros was there against doffy, itd be a "he shouldnt have been there..." situation since he'd be a liability.

In the same sense that you're complaining that the women shouldn't be there cause "they're a liability"

[knotty dawn]

i rest my case

[tardy lake]

You have to look at it from a writing wise as well and not from misogyny

It has to make sense

[raw temple]

Im not a powerscaler but different characters are capable of different things at different levels of skill. Idc if Aokiji or Akainu are stronger, but Kyros isnt close enough to the realm of strength Luffy and Law are in. And Luffy and Law had a hard time 2v1 as is.

[knotty dawn]

fuck power scaling... and let determination of will prevail... which is HIS ENTIRE ETHOS as a man that cut his own leg off, suffered being a toy, and prevailed to STILL be an amazing player in the forthcoming....

but I'M THE ONE that gets accused of power scaling shenningans lmfao

wild

[raw temple]

.

Theres a difference between an obsession with powerscaling, and just taking the story at face value

[tardy lake]

It's just how things work gaimon can't defeat gol D Roger now with the determination of will right?

[raw temple]

theres honestly an ironic level to this, where you're actually damning the narrative to demand that Robin and Rebecca have a badass fight

[tardy lake]

I find it so funny you said that tbh

[raw temple]

but you're now complaining about us mentioning a character isnt strong enough to do something

do you or dont you care about fights

[knotty dawn]

to be clear, this is not what i'm claiming. I'm very specifically talking about one isolated incident in the entirity of the story where this appears to be the case

[raw temple]

You really havent addressed at all the actual narrative element of this. You keep mentioning giving the girls a badass fight

what about Rebecca and Kyros' story arc

who cares about the fight

or about anything being badass

what about Rebecca no longer needing to fight, something she hates doing

and what about kyros, her father, being the one to take that burden from her

[tardy lake]

I think kyros being with Rebecca in the fight is the best it's just kyros arrived late that gives you this perspective that big man shows up to save the day

[tight crystal]

Wasnt it diamante who killed her mother? It makes kinda sense to fight him and not doffy

[raw temple]

she says this before Kyros shows up. The entire point is that she hates fighting and her fighting style has been to deflect attacks

ever since her introduction

because shes avoiding conflict

and only fights out of necessity

but never actually draws blood

in an arena with no out of bounds, that isnt going to

win her a fight

against diamante

[knotty dawn]

see thats what i'm saying....

you say "what about "rebbecca (adjacent to kyros) arc"

while i'm talking about: what about rebbecca's arc'

again: read up here because you're playing right into that trope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test

the entire arc before that is just fantastic setup for rebeccas being an independent badass. and suddenly she can't function wihtout a man telling her what to do............... comeo onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[tardy lake]

Oh and that's why she won without a single blow in the arena

[raw temple]

please use your own words instead of referencing a trope

[knotty dawn]

I think the rebeccas and kyros arc is adressed beautifully in the resolution of that story

without combat

[raw temple]

her arc was NEVER being an independent badass

[knotty dawn]

with just pure character development

[raw temple]

her arc was being a badass out of necessity

and hating what shes doing

[uneven aspen]

Heya

[knotty dawn]

simultaneaously, i think the previous scenes in regards to the fray didn't do them any justice

[raw temple]

btw wtf does bechdel test even have to do with this, I just realized. This is about a woman, her father, and her mother.

this isnt about two women gossiping about a man they like

or dislike

[knotty dawn]

i've used nothing but my own words this entire time... the beschdel tests is pretty laser focused however and not really open to interpretation... i could quote the entirity of them here in my own words if you prefer, but it saves time and space to link a reference

[tardy lake]

I'm lost ngl it feels like we go from point to point

To another

[raw temple]

.

I think you completely misunderstood Rebecca's character from the start and focused on her competence in fighting

without caring why she was fighting in the first place

[knotty dawn]

keep reading... its two women standing under a tree shield.... talking about two ment fighting... that is literally their only narrative purpose for even being there...

to be victims talking about the men fighting infront of them

[raw temple]

its someone who does not want to fight any longer, and that burden being taken from her, taking up that offer to no longer fight

and the other woman literally acting AS THE TREE SHIELD

tanking spikes on her very own body

to protect her

[tardy lake]

It's not just a man omg

[knotty dawn]

honestly i'm tired of talking about dressrossa... can we shift this same argument about robin being a shell of her former self to any other saga?

[tardy lake]

It's her father

[raw temple]

I'm an LGBTQ+ ally that curses out racists, misogynists, and all other assholes alike

[tight crystal]

Thats true bro

[raw temple]

but I think you're too deep

[knotty dawn]

fathers name, husbands name, childs name.... all the same

[raw temple]

in the woke mindset

unironically

😭

[knotty dawn]

ok sto

[tardy lake]

A father will protect his children male or female no matter what dude

[tight crystal]

Women can fight too!

[reef plaza]

LMAO

I've seen it all

[knotty dawn]

STOP.... can you please just give me a reason why rebecca or robin or both couldn't have just fought in that same scene with the dude that magically sprinted around on one leg? please............

the mental gymnastics here are insane

why did they need to hide under a tree

instead of fighting

[tight crystal]

Ik what you mean but rebecca was just under shock... at least thats how i see it xd

[knotty dawn]

don't tell oda

[tardy lake]

To protect themselves from diamante's spikes???

[knotty dawn]

oh jesus christ

so how did one leg man fight him

[tardy lake]

Robin let him

[knotty dawn]

they only protected themselves... not anyone actually contributing...

[fiery crescent]

Jesus christ, he told Robin to protect Rebecca for him 😭

[knotty dawn]

like it would make more sense if they proctected kyros....

BUT THEY DIDNT EVEN FUCKING DO THAT.

they were like "hey good luck, we're going to chill in the shade, but good luck one legged man that's better than the both of us combined apparently"

[raw temple]

Luffy, on rebecca's introduction, realizes Rebecca wasn't actually trying to hurt him. From the start, rebecca has HATED fighting and hurting people. She is ONLY doing it because she wants the mera mera in order to save/protect her father figure, the toy soldier

and lastly

this is something instilled in her by her mother, and reinforced by her father

[knotty dawn]

ok first of all, fuck you for being fair

i like this dude

[fiery crescent]

LOL?

[knotty dawn]

he makes logical arguments that shut me down with logic

[reef plaza]

bro started glazing mid arguement

[knotty dawn]

nah dude

[raw temple]

I appreciate you for being receptive to them as well

[knotty dawn]

i'm arguing to reach a conclusion, ya'll arguing to be right... thats the difference...

real recognize real

[tardy lake]

But to reach a conclusion you have to be right

[raw temple]

or agree to being wrong

[knotty dawn]

yeah, but to reach the right conclusion, you make arguements soundly grounded in the premise of the arguement, not just attacking the premise of them.

red has always made strongly grounded arguments, while everyone else in this entire thread has just been point farming the topical

[tardy lake]

Yeah

[raw temple]

Ive been forged in the #manga pits

the most hellish place on earth

[fiery crescent]

Well, i did try and you ignored everything i said

[tight crystal]

Well kyros got rly strong leg bro

[fiery crescent]

And kept saying the same things

But it's joever, glad it got sorted out

[tardy lake]

Red did it better

[knotty dawn]

I might be new to anime, and thes types of debates. i majored in poilitical science unfortunately and had to learn proper rhetoric on the debate team.... all to end up as a baker.

[reef plaza]

😭

[plucky forge]

Black Maria vs robin is one of my favourite fights now it was so good

[knotty dawn]

shussssssssssssssssh im not there yet apparently

[reef plaza]

im going back to #spoilers

ts was peak

[plucky forge]

Wht episode u on

[knotty dawn]

i think i said 958... i just started wano act 3

[plucky forge]

Ahh alr prepare for amazing moments and bad pacing

[knotty dawn]

nah for real though... i really appreciate good decorum... its refreshing and I appreciate being checked as you have done and ending the discussion without bad blood

[weary mirage]

true

[tardy lake]

[weary mirage]

btw they revealed a trailer for the one piece anime thats returning in april

looks a little off imo

[tardy lake]

Oh

[weary mirage]

like its missing the filter from wano and egghead

[raw temple]

yeah good talk

The woke thing wasnt meant to be an insult btw, Im woke as fuck

😭

[weary mirage]

that makes it look "high quality"

[tardy lake]

Wasn't that a complaint once

[weary mirage]

no

without it, the anime looks like its in dressrosa

so i really hope that wasn't a complaint

🙂

think the complaints were about the effects work, always

[tardy lake]

I heard it was filters that looked like bloom and blur lmao

[raw temple]

yeah woke used to be pretty common for like "you know whats up"

oh

you said complaint

not compliment

I misunderstood

[knotty dawn]

so i understand i'm in the minority here..... but i actually LOVEEEEEEEEE the pacing of the anime... I'm a bkaer and i have a tv infront of my workstation.... and wever 2 weeks after i finished a show, i hated spending the time trying to figure out what to put on next.... just to have to waste the same time two weeks later when i finished that....

the fact that one piece takes so long to finish makes it all the more better for me IMO.... i don't have to think when i'm making apple fritters or honey buns.... ijust turn on one piece and know i still have hundreds of episodes to go.

and yeah, i watch filler

i actually favor filler... because i can tune out more and focus on wokr a bit more knowing i wont miss anything crucial

[fiery crescent]

I never had a problem with the One Piece anime pacing, because i was enjoying what i was watching and i wanted more

[raw temple]

theres always the detriment of split focus, even if cooking is kinda second nature/muscle memory, which will inevitably make you miss some finer details.

I do have friends that cook and watch shows too, but I dont think theres a human being alive that can multitask while watching a show and TRULY absorb EVERYTHING

[tardy lake]

Hello there filler enjoyer I enjoy filler as well

[fiery crescent]

I barely watched the anime fillers, the only filler i watched willingly is G8

[knotty dawn]

bruh, i feel that... i feel like thats a genrational thing... even with gaming... people complaing if a game takes longer than `12 hours to beat and review bombing it.... like i'm sorry.... i love that my now $70 per title goes longer.... tf....while ya'll complaining about the time you get to spend doing a recreational hobby......

wild

[fiery crescent]

I watched Rainbow Mist by accident

[plucky forge]

I was the same honestly the pacing wasn’t bad it was just good but then wano act3 I was tired of seeing people run around and then defeating random backround characters yeah if your doing something else and watching it then I can see why you would like it

[knotty dawn]

ok... tbf.. this is a family business...i've been there for a decade... i've literally made tens of thousands of apple fritters....

after i've prepared mixed and incorporated the ingreidients to the dough... once its time to portion and plate the firtters, that's when i turn on the show... my hands are just grabbbing a handfully... shaping, and plating onto the fry rack... i've done this so many times, i can just do it by feel.

i use to have to measure out each portion... but now i've adjusted to my handsize to know what i'm doing.

before that yeah... i used to just rewind like 8 times an episode to make sure i was exsorbing everything... but know fritters and one piece are both a well oiled machine.

anyway... i will revisit my arguments after Black Maria.... or whoever ya'll mentioned.... and see how i feel then

[raw temple]

ay thats fair enough

[raw temple]

also yes, I think you'll have different thoughts after this

[tight crystal]

Ok so mihawks true identity is Kuina. Is that possible?

She never fell down the stairs

But she fell on ivans nails

Then she had to leave cuz she knew zoro thinks she was hot

[vital sparrow]

blackbeard is a god damn menace

bro is actually insane

[midnight pier]

Mihawk is about 20 years older then her if I'm not mistaken

[vital sparrow]

went through a wormhole

ez solution

[austere tinsel]

imu is mom of luffy

[vital sparrow]

i hope akainu dies

i wanna see him get his head bashed in

[vital sparrow]

law just gets cooler and cooler

[slate saddle]

nah he's tuff

[rich phoenix]

yeah she is pretty cool isn’t she

[brisk tree]

people in this server love akainu

(not me)

[vital sparrow]

akainu is an agenda pushing punk

who all he cares about is opressing the people

[midnight pier]

Just curious except the monster trio who is you're favorite straw hat?

[vital sparrow]

monster trio?

my top 3 straw hats are

1. Tony Tony Chopper
2. Brook
3. Zoro

[obtuse snow]

Does anyone know when is the next dub episodes coming out for one piece

[vital sparrow]

ik for jjk its two weeks after the sub

[crude rivet]

Hi everyone

[vital sparrow]

maybe itll be the same

unless its like simultaneous with it yk

same day

[fiery crescent]

the monster trio is luffy zoro and sanji

[fiery crescent]

today

i don't know what time, but they were scheduled for today

[obtuse snow]

Really nice I been waiting for a while

[shell karma]

nami for 2 reasons

jks

brook my goat

[pearl yoke]

franky

[uneven aspen]

robin

[brave schooner]

My civil rights king Jinbe of course

[digital crater]

Guys I have a question
who would seem like Luffy’s son/daughter figure?

[rigid quiver]

I'm unsure, I think Luffy has only ever been a brother figure to people like say Momo or Tama

[digital crater]

Oh okay

[fossil gulch]

Morning

[shell perch]

Morning

[blazing mantle]

!animo

[acoustic gulch]

Next episode comes out on <t:1775404800:F> <t:1775404800:R> (Hiatus time)

[peak stream]

& Kizaru, oh wait mb Kizaru been a bro to luffy

but the way luffy attacked him is like
small bro attacking big bro

[rigid quiver]

What is bruh even saying, I'm talking about comradery

Before you say Kizaru being Luffy's door dasher I mean mutual comradery

[novel night]

@ Me when the last English episode batch releases

[stone wasp]

ONE PIECE

IS REAL

[balmy kraken]

Yessss

ODA !!!

[junior reef]

Yo

You guys

[rigid quiver]

@manic frigate cool info but the op will not be allowed in this chat when it comes out

[manic frigate]

oh woops, sorry

[rigid quiver]

Yeah we don't allow ops or discussions of them until all moments in them are adapted in the show itself

[sleek frost]

Nami

[tight skiff]

that one strawhat guy with the gum gum fruit

[orchid fiber]

snodlop straw hat ranking

nami
luffy
jinbe
karoo
shanks
vivi
mari
usopp
franky
robin
zoro
koby
bepo
yamato
deku
komatsu
brook
law
freddy
sanji
chopper

[white jetty]

Put deku higher

[tight skiff]

goofball strawhat ranking

strawhat guy that has rubber body
green hair guy
nami
skeleton
cyborg
chopper
robin
gaimon

[empty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/jimbe-jinbe-dance-one-piece-gif-7378990561710958443

[ivory dagger]

^

[rich notch]

Putting freddy third from the bottom is criminal behavior

[orchid fiber]

sorry i just thought other characters had better backstories

[hybrid scaffold]

exist strawhat ranking

karoo
wuffy
chopper
robin
usopp
💀
mosshead
whale
eyebrows
jinbe
nami
vivi
franky
koby (former member?)
cloud

[hybrid scaffold]

he's great but not enough honestly 😭 as a character he's fine but backstory and character arc was goated

[fading brook]

https://tenor.com/view/sanji-eneru-smoke-cigarette-gif-20123726

[hybrid scaffold]

ok you making me feel bad now

[swift yew]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-dressrosa-sanji-doflamingo-one-piece-fight-gif-27160722

[empty wigeon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/akainu-daum-pau-no-luffy-e-no-jinbe-akainu-mata-quase-luffy

[deep salmon]

Yamato is too low

[empty wigeon]

people need to quit sleeping on jinbe

[hybrid scaffold]

actually ykw the girls except robin is overrated hold on

[swift yew]

without jinbe Luffy would have been dead

[empty wigeon]

people forgot man

"oh he hasnt been a member for that long"

[swift yew]

bro hasn't gotten his time to shine

[hybrid scaffold]

ok i edited it now

[manic frigate]

in that sense, then without the two sailor at the very first episode, one piece ends

[empty wigeon]

Yeah but when luffy was at his lowest Jinbe was there to save him he wouldve never made it through the timeskip

[swift yew]

true

[empty wigeon]

not saying other strawhats havent saved luffy

[hybrid scaffold]

jinbe was also vital in impel down

[empty wigeon]

Exactly

[swift yew]

don't forget when jinbe transferred blood to luffy

[hybrid scaffold]

IN FISHMAN ISLAND RIGHT

[rigid quiver]

I forgor

[hybrid scaffold]

jinbe has helped so much

[swift yew]

yes

[hybrid scaffold]

4 arcs in a row jinbe helped

[rigid quiver]

(I didn't forgor)

[empty wigeon]

He did so much before he was a member people forget

[hybrid scaffold]

impel down, marineford, return to sabaody, fishman island; jinbe was vital in all these arcs

[rigid quiver]

Like let Arlong out of Impel Down

[empty wigeon]

we dont talk about that one

[rigid quiver]

I'm in a silly mood today

I love Jimbei

[swift yew]

hmm what's that

[hybrid scaffold]

now that i think abt it, which character has helped the most

nami is a big contributor

[empty wigeon]

when you say charcter like stawhat?

or just in general

[hybrid scaffold]

oh yeah I mean strawhat

[empty wigeon]

Thats a good question...

[hybrid scaffold]

i believe of all the strawhats brook helped least tho he's the MVP of whole cake

[empty wigeon]

Cause they have all have their expertise and moments in the show where they shine

[orchid fiber]

hey chat :) new koya game just dropped :) play it in #bots :)

[hybrid scaffold]

if including nonpresent member then laboon is the 100% least helpful

karoo a far second

vivi third

then brook or cloud?

[junior reef]

Ohhh seriously

[swift yew]

who's cloud?

u mean Zeus?

[hybrid scaffold]

yes i do

ykw i think zeus is the least helpful presently

[orchid fiber]

what

[swift yew]

he's only helpful to nami

[hybrid scaffold]

like what arc did zeus shine most

cuz brook had both thriller bark and whole cake

[swift yew]

really wished he was more useful in wano

[swift yew]

none really

[hybrid scaffold]

i havent completed wano yet but i haven't heard anything from the community abt zeus

[swift yew]

he did help in onigashima a little bit but that's about it I'm pretty sure

I don't think he appears in egghead even if he did he didn't do anything that big

[shell karma]

elbaph is legit next sunday omg

[drifting comet]

That's two weeks from today

[hybrid scaffold]

ok but who helped the most to luffy and the crew overall that's a big question

nami im sure is top 3

[rigid quiver]

!animo

[acoustic gulch]

Next episode comes out on <t:1775404800:F> <t:1775404800:R> (Hiatus time)

[drifting comet]

Nico Robin is number 4 in my region

[rigid quiver]

So it is

[hybrid scaffold]

no but those are top characters right

[drifting comet]

Yep

[hybrid scaffold]

not how helpful they are

[swift yew]

I feel like jinbei is number 1

[shell karma]

im so excited

[hybrid scaffold]

ehhh fair enough

[swift yew]

how many episodes for part 1?

[shell karma]

13

[hybrid scaffold]

what did he do in dressrosa and punk hazard again?

[rigid quiver]

He found a poneglyph for Big Mom

Jimbei

[swift yew]

if ur talking about jimbei he wasn't there

[hybrid scaffold]

sanji might also be a top contender being both a cook and combat

[swift yew]

how many times has he really helped Luffy though

[hybrid scaffold]

oh right he ||joined the crew only in whole cake right|| (whole cake)

[shell karma]

zoro absolutely stomps

[hybrid scaffold]

hmm

[swift yew]

yes

[shell karma]

what episode u on in wano 😭

[swift yew]

he did helped Luffy Alot in onigashima

[hybrid scaffold]

he has his moments in little garden, skypeia, dressrosa, whole cake, wano

[shell karma]

a lot

[hybrid scaffold]

||imprisoned luffy||

[swift yew]

sure but the question is helping Luffy not overall

[hybrid scaffold]

no the question is luffy and crew

[swift yew]

oh

well then that changes things

[hybrid scaffold]

that's why nami is high

[drifting comet]

Nico Robin helped people of Zou and the dwarves of Dressrosa.

[swift yew]

Nami is number 1

she's the only one who knows how to navigate

[drifting comet]

Robin is number 1 for me because she and Luffy are the most crucial member of the crew

[swift yew]

without her they wouldn't make it this far

[hybrid scaffold]

hmm i guess

[rigid quiver]

Can we just say everyone in the SHs are useful and move on

[swift yew]

robin is crucial to finding the onepiece

[swift yew]

ye there all useful in their own ways

[hybrid scaffold]

no but like brook and franky are members who helped not as much as the others, that's why we're having this convo

[shell karma]

ahhh okay, ur at such a good spot

[swift yew]

Franky build them a new ship
brook got the poneglyph from big mom

[hybrid scaffold]

how much as chopper fixed up the strawhats?

[swift yew]

he's literally the doctor of the strawhats

[hybrid scaffold]

franky has only that, brook also has only that

atleast from what i know so far

[drifting comet]

Franky is helpful to create a powerful ship after Going Merry destroyed

[swift yew]

franky's ship has helped them escape many death situations

coup de burst

[hybrid scaffold]

ohh yeah fair enough

[hybrid scaffold]

yeah that one

[empty wigeon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-coup-de-burst

[hybrid scaffold]

also the other weird contraptions

[drifting comet]

Franky's ship reminds me of every Sentai mechas

[swift yew]

fr

[hybrid scaffold]

laboon the most helpful member fr

[swift yew]

sure brook only got the poneglyph but without him who else was gonna get it

[drifting comet]

How is Laboon helpful he's just Brook's pet

[hybrid scaffold]

ok i get it but all the other members have a part like that too right

[swift yew]

ye

[drifting comet]

Dorry and Brogy are helpful in terms of non-Straw Hats

[hybrid scaffold]

sarcasm

[swift yew]

actually idk

[hybrid scaffold]

gng laboon literally ate the going merry 😭

[hybrid scaffold]

most helpful non-Straw Hat is a bigger question

[swift yew]

bon clay

he's number one fight me

[hybrid scaffold]

Shanks technically is the most helpful

[swift yew]

he helped in wano but Luffy wouldn't of reached wano if it wasn't for bon clay

[drifting comet]

Law is helpful

[hybrid scaffold]

luffy would have died had shanks not used his haki on the sea king

[hybrid scaffold]

ooh yeah law was really helpful

[swift yew]

wym sea king

I don't remember

[hybrid scaffold]

first episode

[drifting comet]

Punk Hazard had Law switching bodies to not be seen by Caesar Kid

[hybrid scaffold]

shanks lost an arm to a sea king to save Luffy

[swift yew]

ok that is true

[hybrid scaffold]

actually ykw i think Law might be the most helpful non-SH

he also saved Luffy from death so that makes him equal to his father

[shell karma]

wasnt that sea king placed there by the world government to kill young luffy

[steep steeple]

Shanks lost his arm on purpose so that mihawk could have some empathy and not one tap him anymore

[hybrid scaffold]

idk im still in wano

[swift yew]

he's talking about the time where Luffy pissed off the bandits

[shell karma]

idk and im caught up

[empty wigeon]

Him teleporting people around is definitely helpful

[swift yew]

i doubt that's the reason he decided to lose his arm

[shell karma]

r u caught up? cus i wanna talk about it

[hybrid scaffold]

not meaning to but yk that works too

[swift yew]

anime yes manga no

[steep steeple]

Yeah it's just agenda

[swift yew]

though why would they wanna kill young luffy

they didn't even know he ate the gum gum fruit and he wasnt a big time pirate

[steep steeple]

Yeah

[hybrid scaffold]

maybe they knew somehow

[steep steeple]

He only got recognized when he got his 500 million berry bounty

They assumed shanks had the gum gum fruit still

[swift yew]

yea

[drifting comet]

||Dorry and Brogy are helpful because they both prevented Egghead Island from being destroyed by WG's Buster Call||

[shell karma]

||the government put the sea king there to kill luffy as he ate the Gomu Gomu no Mi fruit, because they knew about joyboy||

theory btw

[swift yew]

doesn't make sense how they knew Luffy ate the gum gum fruit

[steep steeple]

Oh

[shell karma]

cus shanks stole the fruit remember

[swift yew]

they only knew shanks stole it

[steep steeple]

Theories are bs in one piece

So we can't trust them really

[shell karma]

they had spies ig

fuck knows 😭

[steep steeple]

What spy is getting past shanks observation haki

[swift yew]

not to hate but that's stupid why would they spy on a kid

[hybrid scaffold]

that makes it two helps

[sudden shoal]

the sea king had a name he was a familiar part ofnthe territory prior to this

[swift yew]

and if u said it was to spy shanks then that's also stupid it's shanks he's just gonna kill the spy in seconds

[shell karma]

they werent spying on luffy specifically tho, only on shanks crew as they had the Gomu Gomu no Mi

cp0 agents

[polar zinc]

||whos ready for the anime to return?!||

[hybrid scaffold]

||howd they know abt joyboy then||

[swift yew]

@shell karma

[shell karma]

ur not supposed to read this 😭

itll make sense soon

[hybrid scaffold]

ive been spoiled enough

[shell karma]

the spy could be anyone 😭 observation haki wont do anything about it

[swift yew]

shanks is smart
and his crew are loyal to him

the WG wouldn't dare to step in his territory

[hybrid scaffold]

yeah there's no base to your theory gng

you're just bringing up a possibility

[drifting comet]

I don't trust that Smoker guy although he's an ally in Alabasta along with Tashigi because both are Marines.

[hybrid scaffold]

that is too difficult

[hybrid scaffold]

ofc you can't trust smoker he's a marine

no matter if he befriended Zoro

or saved the SH from the WG

[drifting comet]

Same with Tashigi too.

[shell karma]

yea but there were other ppl in that tavern place tho not just his crew

[swift yew]

he's basically like gold Roger and garp

[swift yew]

that tavern place is his territory

[drifting comet]

Good thing Law kicked his ass in Punk Hazard

[rigid quiver]

Why?

[drifting comet]

Marines and WG are both big bads. Seeing these guys what they did to Ohara makes me hate them.

[shell karma]

its quite a popular theory, i didnt make it up

[hybrid scaffold]

||are you saying there is someone who has better haki than shanks that came to spy on the gomu gomu and saw luffy eat it and immediately sent for the sea king||

[rigid quiver]

The marines aren't bad though, they just are under horrible leadership

[swift yew]

observation haki doesn't make sense in this situation

[hybrid scaffold]

i have my doubts on the zoro's childhood friend theory

[shell karma]

imu exists 😭

[hybrid scaffold]

||so imu herself spied on the gomu gomu?||

[shell karma]

egghead reveals that side of stuff a bit more yes

im not gonna debate with someone who hasnt caught up 😭

[hybrid scaffold]

okay then if that's what you say

[shell karma]

its just a theory too

[swift yew]

plus last time I checked there's only one person who could control sea kings which is shirahoshi

[shell karma]

bit of fun

[hybrid scaffold]

im just making sense of it based on what i know so far

[swift yew]

the sea king in egghead was controlled by vegapunk tech

[hybrid scaffold]

i mean I've been on wano for two years now and haven't watched an episode in a year

so hell do i know

[swift yew]

there's no way they could have controlled a sea king

[drifting comet]

Otohime and Fisher Tiger are only good guys at Fishman Island. Everyone else in that island are all mafias (not including citizens)

[swift yew]

what about jimbei

[drifting comet]

Oh that too

[hybrid scaffold]

what about the fish

[steep steeple]

What about the man

[swift yew]

and what about the king Neptune

[drifting comet]

Yeah that too

[steep steeple]

King Neptune admitted he was a monster

I think he counts himself

[swift yew]

he never did anything bad or good

[steep steeple]

He killed

[hybrid scaffold]

actually yeah how about the man who went down to fishman island i forgor what he's called

[swift yew]

he was scared after seeing what happened to otohime

[drifting comet]

Arlong was once a good guy until Fisher Tiger died

[steep steeple]

He killed I'm pretty sure

[drifting comet]

Arlong is a shell of former self to the point of killing Nami's adopted mom

[steep steeple]

Uh

[hybrid scaffold]

the man

[steep steeple]

the mud guy?

[swift yew]

I don't remember that And i doubt it tbh he loved his wife he wouldn't do anything like that

[steep steeple]

I forgot his name too ngl

[hybrid scaffold]

the world goverment protected man

[steep steeple]

Oh the celestial dragon green hair guy

[hybrid scaffold]

no that guy is bad

[hybrid scaffold]

yeahh celestial dragon that's what they're called

[swift yew]

that guy is purely annoying I wish he would die

[steep steeple]

Wonder what happened to him

[swift yew]

he went to meet Blackbeard to tell him about the secret weapons

[drifting comet]

I loved Bon Clay. Bon Clay is an LGBT icon for One Piece fans.

[steep steeple]

oh.

[swift yew]

wait r u caught up yet mb

[hybrid scaffold]

karoo the true queer icon

[steep steeple]

I'm in the middle of zou

[swift yew]

damn mb

[hybrid scaffold]

you aren't even in whole cake yet 😭

[steep steeple]

Ah it's aight

[swift yew]

this channel is dangerous if ur not caught up yet

[hybrid scaffold]

but i mean where else can he talk

[steep steeple]

20 more episodes and I can watch whole cake island

[steep steeple]

Genuinely

[hybrid scaffold]

it's worth it i finished whole cake in 4 days

[swift yew]

no where really

[hybrid scaffold]

that's how good it is

[hybrid scaffold]

exactly

[swift yew]

I feel like the arc that slowed me down the most was fish man island

[steep steeple]

Wonder how good the one piece remake will be

[hybrid scaffold]

SAME i hated fishman

[steep steeple]

It should be 300 or 400 episodes but it's 200

[swift yew]

it took me months

[steep steeple]

I like one piece long tbh

[shell karma]

imagine luffy trained with shanks from episode one 😭