#dev-general

timber oak Dec 16, 2021, 12:54 PM

#

Does PlayerDeathEvent.setKeepLevel(true) make the player not drop the experience or how does it work?

dense dew Dec 16, 2021, 12:58 PM

#

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/event/entity/PlayerDeathEvent.html#setKeepLevel(boolean)

PlayerDeathEvent (Spigot-API 1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT API)

declaration: package: org.bukkit.event.entity, class: PlayerDeathEvent

cinder flare Dec 16, 2021, 12:59 PM

#

#

if only the javadocs said

dense dew Dec 16, 2021, 1:01 PM

#

Fleet looks so good when release

#

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

Tenor

hot hull Dec 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

#

No release

distant sun Dec 16, 2021, 3:24 PM

#

if I want to have some global currency system, would Redis be ok for that? 😄

steel heart Dec 16, 2021, 3:31 PM

#

Yes

#

Cache, master slave and the pub sub

rustic zodiac Dec 16, 2021, 4:56 PM

#

Hi, i have problem with papi 😦
Cannot invoke "me.clip.placeholderapi.PlaceholderAPIPlugin.getLocalExpansionManager()"

sleek flower Dec 16, 2021, 4:59 PM

#

@quick flume can you ban @obtuse gale it's a bot that posts invites to a server that makes you download malware

eternal compass Dec 16, 2021, 4:59 PM

#

If you've received a DM recently inviting you to a "hacking/cheating" server, Please click the "Report Spam" button on the DM, and discord will deal with it.
We're currently dealing with everything on our end

distant sun Dec 16, 2021, 5:52 PM

#

What redis client do you guys recommend, jedis or lettuce?

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 5:59 PM

#

distant sun What redis client do you guys recommend, jedis or lettuce?

sau. best one afaik

distant sun Dec 16, 2021, 6:00 PM

#

fuck off blitz 🤣

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 6:02 PM

#

ok

oblique heath Dec 16, 2021, 6:09 PM

#

sql vs elasticsearch vs mongodb vs (???) for logging player messages

steel heart Dec 16, 2021, 6:23 PM

#

I would very much like to say mongo

#

Or elastic search

#

Altho haven’t ever used that

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

distant sun What redis client do you guys recommend, jedis or lettuce?

Jedis or redisson

steel heart Dec 16, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

Yeah, lettuce afaik doesn’t have pubsub

#

Or well didn’t

steep veldt Dec 16, 2021, 7:24 PM

#

Does anyone have an idea how I can paste a schematic with Worldedit 6.0.0 (Minecraft version 1.8.8)?

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 7:31 PM

#

steel heart Yeah, lettuce afaik doesn’t have pubsub

Yea lettuce just a little aids

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 7:46 PM

#

steep veldt Does anyone have an idea how I can paste a schematic with Worldedit 6.0.0 (Minec...

//paste command

cunning oriole Dec 16, 2021, 8:26 PM

#

can I use java 17 on spigot 1.16.5? If so how?

remote goblet Dec 16, 2021, 8:45 PM

#

no

#

1.16.5 is java 11

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 8:46 PM

#

thonking

cinder flare Dec 16, 2021, 8:46 PM

#

Yes you can, some plugins that do reflection poorly might break, but you totally can

rugged spear Dec 16, 2021, 8:54 PM

#

whats kotlin is for?

#

because i want to learn it

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 9:11 PM

#

why the fuck is ConfigurationSection#getString(path, default) nullable?

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 9:16 PM

#

because default can be null 🙃

#

Paper fixes that warning by adding contract

#

@Contract("_, !null -> !null")

#

but spigot does not give a fuck and just leaves the @Nullable there

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 9:18 PM

#

obtuse gale because default can be null 🙃

oh right... well what the fuck is even the point of a default if you just give it null

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 9:19 PM

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 9:20 PM

#

fortunately kotlin has my back lol

rugged spear Dec 16, 2021, 9:48 PM

#

rugged spear whats kotlin is for?

for plugins

#

well I will learn it

#

lol

onyx loom Dec 16, 2021, 9:48 PM

#

u can use kotlin for anything u want

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 9:53 PM

#

including for making fireworks

eternal compass Dec 16, 2021, 10:08 PM

#

obtuse gale `@Contract("_, !null -> !null")`

how does that work?

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 10:09 PM

#

basically means "regardless of the first parameter's value, if the second is not null, the result is not null"

#

https://javadoc.io/doc/org.jetbrains/annotations/latest/org/jetbrains/annotations/Contract.html

eternal compass Dec 16, 2021, 10:11 PM

#

ah

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 10:13 PM

#

you can communicate a non-trivial amount of behavior with it, I love it

eternal compass Dec 16, 2021, 10:18 PM

#

mhm

prisma wave Dec 16, 2021, 10:22 PM

#

pattern matching 😌

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 10:23 PM

#

in kotlin how do I make a new list of n length that will have the same element without using mutable list?

#

well more of, I have a list and am trying to append an element n times to it.

#

for (i..n) {
  list = list + element
}``` doesn't seem like a good idea. might be but not sure

prisma wave Dec 16, 2021, 10:29 PM

#

List(n) { element }

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 10:29 PM

#

oh. thanks

#

:kek:

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 10:31 PM

#

lol

#

that's dumb

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 10:31 PM

#

I was like, damn will try not using mutability when possible, kotlin be like: hell nah

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 10:31 PM

#

Collections.nCopies 😌

static zealot Dec 16, 2021, 10:37 PM

#

mrbeast 1 million dolla influencers tournament

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9TQ6culXIA

YouTube

MrBeast

$1,000,000 Influencer Tournament!

That was so close at the end I can't believe that happened!

╔═╦╗╔╦╗╔═╦═╦╦╦╦╗╔═╗
║╚╣║║║╚╣╚╣╔╣╔╣║╚╣═╣
╠╗║╚╝║║╠╗║╚╣║║║║║═╣
╚═╩══╩═╩═╩═╩╝╚╩═╩═╝

follow all of these now
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/MrBeast6000/
• Twitter - https://twitter.com/MrBeast
• Instagram - https://www...

▶ Play video

#

take a look you poor mfs

remote goblet Dec 16, 2021, 10:55 PM

#

StareIntoYourSoul

prisma wave Dec 16, 2021, 11:29 PM

#

obtuse gale `Collections.nCopies` 😌

replicate n elem 😌

#

pure

#

and good

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 11:32 PM

#

(How Can I Get a skull of a external page?)

'shopitemprofil':
material: (HERE)
slot: 12
display_name: '&r'
lore:
- '&7Shop example using'
- '&7view requirements!'
- '&fLeft click to purchase.'
priority: 1
view_requirement:
Can I help me?

#

GUI menus <- IN

prisma wave Dec 16, 2021, 11:33 PM

#

https://wiki.bristermitten.me/skull-of-external-page

Skull Of External Page

This guide talks about Skull Of External Page

#

wrong channel btw

#

#general-plugins

obtuse gale Dec 16, 2021, 11:35 PM

#

Oh wait

prisma wave Dec 16, 2021, 11:36 PM

#

im sorry

sweet slate Dec 17, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

anyone use divinci resolve 17

sweet slate Dec 17, 2021, 12:49 AM

#

sweet slate anyone use divinci resolve 17

@anyone

hallow crane Dec 17, 2021, 2:40 AM

#

yes 👍🏻

sick belfry Dec 17, 2021, 4:23 AM

#

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774354522361299006/920918612502544394/FF79FADA-AA5E-4807-A2D0-04DE8BCB40C8.jpg so true

#

soooooo true

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 7:45 AM

#

sick belfry https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774354522361299006/920918612502544394/FF7...

Plugins developers:
⭐
Doesnt work fix bugs

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 10:34 AM

#

so .. how does one actually use redis for like a global economy plugin?

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:35 AM

#

yes

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 10:52 AM

#

What does that even like, mean?\

#

That's like asking how you use anything for anything

#

How does one use C for an operating system?

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 10:53 AM

#

smh

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 10:53 AM

#

like what answer were you expecting lol

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 10:54 AM

#

nvm, will figure out xd

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 10:54 AM

#

no I mean like, I'd love to help

#

i just don't know what you're asking

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 AM

#

how do i use a computer to play r6s?

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 10:56 AM

#

hey siege is pretty fun okay

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 11:01 AM

#

I saw that some people recommend to use Redis when it comes to sync data between servers. Ignore my question. 😄

wintry plinth Dec 17, 2021, 11:02 AM

#

distant sun so .. how does one actually use redis for like a global economy plugin?

Redis is more used as temp cache not perm storage, so on join you’d set a key Like “<uuid>-balance” then on quit pull from there

#

And set to a DB etc

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 11:03 AM

#

Yeah

wintry plinth Dec 17, 2021, 11:03 AM

#

Because redis is super quick vs file based, etc

#

I use redis on my server list for their uuid and I think -cache on the end, with the MOJANG api result

quiet depot Dec 17, 2021, 11:04 AM

#

distant sun I saw that some people recommend to use Redis when it comes to sync data between...

this is because redis can also be used as a messaging service

#

https://redis.io/topics/pubsub

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 11:14 AM

#

anyone know if minimessages parses \n as new lines?

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 11:17 AM

#

it should

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 11:55 AM

#

distant sun so .. how does one actually use redis for like a global economy plugin?

Key Value you don’t need pubsub for most stuff. Especially something like a global economy

#

Can use it how you wish, doubtful you run out of memory 20 years from now. For something like minecraft it could matter less.

steel heart Dec 17, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

redis has an expiring option iirc

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

nice

steel heart Dec 17, 2021, 12:06 PM

#

Btw gaby

#

If you want a synchronized way of updating the economy across servers

#

Usually you use the redis pub sub to send a message to said servers telling them to refetch data from the redis cache and possibly persistent database if redis cache does not contain the data

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 12:07 PM

#

sounds good, ty conclure

gilded granite Dec 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

Why do programmers always confuse Halloween with Christmas?

Because Oct 31 == Dec 25

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 3:10 PM

#

when creating a module in gradle, how do I mark it as child of another module than the project itself?
I want to make a module inside worldguard_compat

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 3:13 PM

#

there is no such thing as a "parent" project in gradle really, just add it in settings.gradle include(":worldguard_compat:whatever-subproject") (assuming that's what the dir structure is, ./wg_compat/whatever-subproject)

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 3:15 PM

#

ah, nice

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 4:40 PM

#

Man I hate when gradle is just like

Could not resolve ....
🙄

#

I gave it the repo and the dependency I need, what else does it want from me 🤣

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 4:41 PM

#

your guts

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 4:45 PM

#

welp

quartz stirrup Dec 17, 2021, 4:51 PM

#

do you guys know any good places to learn minecraft coding and not just java?

steel heart Dec 17, 2021, 6:40 PM

#

trial-error

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 7:17 PM

#

not sure if the right channel... but is there a way to run a command for only users in a certian permissions-group?

#

like /clear @p[group=noob] <-- ?

wind patio Dec 17, 2021, 7:30 PM

#

can anyone recommend a good object serializer?

#

mainly to store data in a file to persist on server restarts

#

I'm currently looking into https://github.com/SimplyProgrammer/Java-SerialX

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 7:51 PM

#

korm

hallow crane Dec 17, 2021, 8:03 PM

#

configurate has good stuff

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 8:05 PM

#

serpent

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 9:03 PM

#

prisma wave korm

😌

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 9:03 PM

#

gilded granite Why do programmers always confuse Halloween with Christmas? Because Oct 31 == D...

I don't get this

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 9:05 PM

#

octal 31 = decimal 25 smh smh smh

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 9:08 PM

#

that's surprisingly clever for a programmer joke

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 9:11 PM

#

Oh damn that's smart

#

That is not usually the indicators for those base systems but I see it now

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

#

line*

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

#

nah. pretty sure he meant like

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 9:22 PM

#

obtuse gale line*

?

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

#

(edited)

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

#

it's usually like "why did the programmer cross the road? they forgot a semicolon on line 35"

#

?

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

Original message was deleted.

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

damn

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

:kek:

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

if this was another server

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

get ratioed mitten!!

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

😩

eternal compass Dec 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

#

prisma wave it's usually like "why did the programmer cross the road? they forgot a semicolo...

Haha

#

Haha

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

#

hehe

eternal compass Dec 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

#

sad noises

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

#

NOT FUNNY

#

unless you're a kotlin user

#

:kek:

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

#

nokotlin

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

#

k emily. we don't care

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

#

ratioed by nokotlin

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

#

I don't think so!

#

GET RATIOED AGAIN MITTEN!

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

#

power abuse

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

#

idk what you're talking about

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

#

@admins detain this psycho

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

#

thank you kaliber

dense dew Dec 17, 2021, 9:45 PM

#

is learning kotlin worth it when you know java

#

generally

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 9:46 PM

#

Yes

#

It's a nice introduction to modern languages

dense dew Dec 17, 2021, 9:48 PM

#

java is so pain after i started w go 😔

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 9:56 PM

#

nokotlin

dense dew Dec 17, 2021, 9:58 PM

#

prisma wave <:nokotlin:531226595952820224>

why

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:58 PM

#

bcz he is against any language that's not haskell or elara

ocean quartz Dec 17, 2021, 9:58 PM

#

Elara kek

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 9:59 PM

#

yes

#

:kek:

dense dew Dec 17, 2021, 10:00 PM

#

well Kotlin looks sexy 😳

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:00 PM

#

it is pretty nice

dense dew Dec 17, 2021, 10:01 PM

#

😳

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:01 PM

#

loll

dense dew Dec 17, 2021, 10:02 PM

#

maybe I should use gradle instead of maven too

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:02 PM

#

well. that's not a maybe

#

that's a "Why the fuck are you still using maven" :kek:

dense dew Dec 17, 2021, 10:02 PM

#

alr xd

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 10:09 PM

#

dense dew why

Kotlin bad

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:10 PM

#

is anyone else having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps?

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:10 PM

#

is anyone else having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps?

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:10 PM

#

discord sent it twice

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:10 PM

#

:kek:

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

#

is anyone else having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps?

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

#

Did it really send it a third time what tf is happening

#

you are all bullies

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

#

:)))

#

we are 😦

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

#

lmao

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

#

you are all bullies

#

WHY

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

we're just trying to cope with our problems by bullying others

#

discord is bullying you too

#

that's sad

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

???

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

okay but is anyone else having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps?

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

perish

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

is anyone else having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps?

onyx loom Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

is anyone else having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps?

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

poor nicole lol

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

aight I'm gonna go jump off a cliff

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

noo=0o0oo

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

see you all later

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

#

ah okay then yeah

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:13 PM

#

ok but like

#

#

like what

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 10:13 PM

#

clearly you're having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps

#

pretty obvious

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:13 PM

#

wow crazy

#

thanks bm

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 10:13 PM

#

np

#

always a pleasure

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:15 PM

#

why is helpchat becoming stackoverflow?

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:15 PM

#

this is where people recommended me use that vps so I figured I'd ask here since I assume other people are using the same host

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

#

who is interested in a new minecraft hosting dm me if u are

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

#

they also recommended contabo then said contabo is bad, they also said learn kotlin then they started bullying others for using kotlin lolx D

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

#

I made a support ticket with them too so it's not like I'm exclusively asking here at least

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

#

kotlin bad, contabo not bad

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

#

prisma wave who is interested in a new minecraft hosting dm me if u are

banned for advertising!

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

#

static zealot banned for advertising!

banned for mini modding

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

#

😢

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

#

nah

#

that's a fake icon

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

#

I know

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 10:24 PM

#

is anyone else having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps?

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

#

nope no issues here

cinder flare Dec 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

#

thank god

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:29 PM

#

tranquil crane nope no issues here

you sure 'bout that?

prisma wave Dec 17, 2021, 10:31 PM

#

i heard someone was having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps

#

can anyone confirm?

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 10:48 PM

#

there are still lots of issues

#

can confirm

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 10:57 PM

#

obtuse gale you sure 'bout that?

You’re my issue

distant sun Dec 17, 2021, 11:02 PM

#

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 11:02 PM

#

obtuse gale You’re my issue

sounds like a you problem

#

Loml

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 11:03 PM

#

distant sun

🥲 literally me rn

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 11:04 PM

#

me except I haven't figured out why yet

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 11:04 PM

#

had to do 4 builds with different debugging to figure out why

static zealot Dec 17, 2021, 11:04 PM

#

tranquil crane me except I haven't figured out why yet

you must be at step 1, 2 or 3 then

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 11:12 PM

#

tranquil crane

Did you upgrade?(not saying you should btw)

#

Most people upgrade there box without knowing what’s really being upgraded and boom there shits fucked

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 11:13 PM

#

I haven't changed anything, it just started this morning

#

I hadn't even logged in for like 2 weeks and then it just suddenly stopped resolving dns queries this morning

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 11:14 PM

#

Restart your box maybe

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 11:14 PM

#

already did

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 11:14 PM

#

Damn delete idk what to say haha

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 11:15 PM

#

yeah idk what's going on so I made a support ticket with them asking if it's something on their end

obtuse gale Dec 17, 2021, 11:15 PM

#

Yea maybe give it some time

eternal compass Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 PM

#

distant sun

well, sometimes it's just dumb people making things incompatible

#

or maybe I just give up earlier than most flooshed

tranquil crane Dec 17, 2021, 11:58 PM

#

fixed it by just adding additional dns servers for it to try to resolve to

#

that's what they suggested in the ticket and it worked so I'm not even going to question it again

quiet depot Dec 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

#

@tranquil crane I am not having issues with dns queries failing to resolve on a hostus vps

#

cinder flare Dec 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

#

this man didn't even clear the default Ubuntu welcome banner before meming

quiet depot Dec 18, 2021, 5:35 AM

#

not meming

#

that's a hostus vps

frail glade Dec 18, 2021, 5:36 AM

#

Can confirm, that's all he ever talks about. ||/s||

tranquil crane Dec 18, 2021, 6:19 AM

#

everyone bullies me

quiet depot Dec 18, 2021, 6:19 AM

#

legit not bullying

#

that's a hostus vps

distant sun Dec 18, 2021, 10:09 AM

#

Can somebody take a look at this project's gradle modules structure? xD
I'm not too experienced with modules and there is probably a more proper way to do it https://github.com/iGabyTM/arcane-vouchers/tree/modularization

GitHub

GitHub - iGabyTM/arcane-vouchers at modularization

The ultimate vouchers plugin. Contribute to iGabyTM/arcane-vouchers development by creating an account on GitHub.

steel heart Dec 18, 2021, 10:19 AM

#

Kotlin dsl fingerguns

distant sun Dec 18, 2021, 10:33 AM

#

nah

sly sonnet Dec 18, 2021, 10:42 AM

#

kotlin dsl is the only way to do it

old wyvern Dec 18, 2021, 11:43 AM

#

Haskell is the only way to do anything

dense dew Dec 18, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

Hello, any suggestions for Kotlin YT tutorials?

quiet depot Dec 18, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

no

#

stop

dense dew Dec 18, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

Kotlin*

#

i just woke up

static zealot Dec 18, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

xD

#

docs.kotlinlang.org

#

kotlinlang.org/docs/ *

prisma wave Dec 18, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

wiki.bristermitten.me

static zealot Dec 18, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

prisma wave wiki.bristermitten.me

wiki.bristermitten.me/learn-kotlin *

steel heart Dec 18, 2021, 12:26 PM

#

nokotlin

dense dew Dec 18, 2021, 12:26 PM

#

haskell is scary

prisma wave Dec 18, 2021, 12:26 PM

#

it's easy

#

unironically

steel heart Dec 18, 2021, 12:26 PM

#

Truth be told, it’s a bit too declarative

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:26 PM

#

c--

#

kotlin or c?

static zealot Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

c

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

c or java?

steel heart Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

Cotlin

static zealot Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

c

steel heart Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

Cava

prisma wave Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

c or c#

prisma wave Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

C

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

prisma wave

lol

dense dew Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

C or Rust

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

dense dew C or Rust

python

steel heart Dec 18, 2021, 12:28 PM

#

Yes

#

Good

static zealot Dec 18, 2021, 12:28 PM

#

C!

steel heart Dec 18, 2021, 12:28 PM

#

simon_happy

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

#

java or java

quiet depot Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

#

java

steel heart Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

#

JavaSkript

static zealot Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

#

C

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

#

uh

static zealot Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

#

steel heart JavaSkript

this

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

#

gradle or groovy

quiet depot Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

#

yes

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 12:30 PM

#

hhehe

old wyvern Dec 18, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

rugged spear gradle or groovy

https://tenor.com/view/trust-the-force-yoda-the-clone-wars-star-wars-gif-16326561

Tenor

distant sun Dec 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

#

So in my config I have several lists of strings, and I want to allow users to use regex (optional) by adding a regex: before the string, something like this

allowedWorlds:
- regex:player_world_*
- spawn```
And I thought about having a class with a list of strings and a list of patterns, how would you name such class?
I could turn all values into patterns and simply use a list, but I have some placeholders that would be replaced on the string values before using them

obtuse gale Dec 18, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

ListOfStringsAndPatternsHolder

distant sun Dec 18, 2021, 4:36 PM

#

🤣 other ideas?

obtuse gale Dec 18, 2021, 5:01 PM

#

StringAndPatternListHolder

distant sun Dec 18, 2021, 5:09 PM

#

try again 🥲

obtuse gale Dec 18, 2021, 5:24 PM

#

no thank you

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 5:46 PM

#

old wyvern https://tenor.com/view/trust-the-force-yoda-the-clone-wars-star-wars-gif-1632656...

intellithonk

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 6:44 PM

#

distant sun try again 🥲

Created on 7/26/2016, 9:09:24 PM

#

nice dude

distant sun Dec 18, 2021, 6:47 PM

#

🙂

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 7:43 PM

#

How i can make a plugin 1.8 to 1.18?

onyx loom Dec 18, 2021, 7:47 PM

#

update the api dependency to 1.18 , see if it compiles, then see if it runs. if it doesn't then u gotta do some debugging

#

ull find most plugins will already work if they are just using the spigot api, but if ur using nms for specific then it'll be much harder

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 7:49 PM

#

Oh okay thanks

eternal compass Dec 18, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

And add api-version to your plugin.yml

rugged spear Dec 18, 2021, 8:06 PM

#

Alright thanks

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 1:30 AM

#

#

based dijkstra quote

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 1:56 AM

#

kotlin is sexy

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 1:59 AM

#

nokotlin

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:00 AM

#

:yeskotlin:

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:00 AM

#

:yeskotlin:

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:00 AM

#

hah

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:00 AM

#

obtuse gale <:nokotlin:531226595952820224>

explain yourself >:(

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:00 AM

#

cheap ass bad scala copy

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

kotlin or java

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

but kotlin > java

#

yds

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

half harness kotlin or java

java

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

y

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

no

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

nokotlin

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

explain yourselves >:(

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

no thank you

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

yeah I'm good

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

half harness explain yourselves \>:(

kotlin = sexy
java = no sexy

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

prisma wave

someone pin this message

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

#

dense dew kotlin = sexy java = no sexy

agreed

#

kotlin haters have no proof >:(

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:02 AM

#

if kotlin is so good, and paper is so good, why does paper say kotlin is not good?

#

curious...

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:02 AM

#

mr mitten do u like rust

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:02 AM

#

This says a lot about our society

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 2:02 AM

#

if kotlin is so good, why are people still using java

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:02 AM

#

dense dew mr mitten do u like rust

meh

#

it is probably better than C but it's also extraordinary ugly

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:03 AM

#

if kotlin is SOOO good, why do 3 billion devices run java and not kotlin?

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:03 AM

#

obtuse gale if kotlin is SOOO good, why do 3 billion devices run java and not kotlin?

🥲

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:03 AM

#

ratioed

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:03 AM

#

if kotlin is so good, why does java have a higher version number?

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:03 AM

#

yEAH

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:03 AM

#

prisma wave if kotlin is so good, why does java have a higher version number?

kotlin is so good it doesn't need as many updates 😌

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:04 AM

#

that just means they are running out of ideas

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:04 AM

#

^

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:04 AM

#

prisma wave ^

whats your top 3 langs

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:04 AM

#

all the modern updates have just been mediocre stdlib additions (firstNotNullOrNull) and adding support for newer JVM features

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:05 AM

#

dense dew whats your top 3 langs

seriously?

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:05 AM

#

what's a monad?

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:05 AM

#

prisma wave all the modern updates have just been mediocre stdlib additions (`firstNotNullOr...

before it was so good so there was no good things to add

#

😌

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:05 AM

#

prisma wave seriously?

ye

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:05 AM

#

prisma wave seriously?

yes

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:05 AM

#

Honestly objectively I'd say java is the least bad programming language

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:06 AM

#

kotlin the most

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:06 AM

#

???

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:06 AM

#

not the best because no language is perfect but the least bad

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:06 AM

#

i mean

#

what 3 langs you personally like the most

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 2:07 AM

#

prisma wave Honestly objectively I'd say java is the least bad programming language

Explain yourself

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:07 AM

#

steel heart Explain yourself

we must save this

#

he will edit

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

dense dew what 3 langs you personally like the most

The most, probably java, haskell and idk about a third

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

why u like haskell xd

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

Rust, or maybe scala or maybe go

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

haskell bad

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

literally wrong

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

Go is nice but not nice enough to be top 3

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

Hm

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

main = do {
    putStrLn("cool");
}

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:09 AM

#

do u rhink Go is top 3 for backend

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:09 AM

#

main = putStrLn "cool"

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:09 AM

#

dense dew why u like haskell xd

fresh perspective on programming + makes you feel clever + does actually have some really elegant solutions a lot of the time

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 2:09 AM

#

Python

#

(:

#

derp

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:09 AM

#

dense dew do u rhink Go is top 3 for backend

sure ig

#

Go will be infinitely better when generics finally get finalized

#

that's the only real thing holding it back

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:10 AM

#

didn't they release that like 2 weeks ago?

#

days

#

not weeks

#

i'm dumb

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:10 AM

#

generics? what is that can anyone tldr pls and explain why its good xd

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:10 AM

#

List<T> as opposed to just List

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:10 AM

#

in go you have to write the same algorithm 500 times

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:11 AM

#

btw Tailwind 3.0 sexy 😳

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:12 AM

#

prisma wave in go you have to write the same algorithm 500 times

yeah

#

go bad

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:12 AM

#

func sort([]int a)
func sort([]string a)
func sort([]byte a)
etc

vs void sort(Collection<T> a)

#

vs sort :: [a] -> [a] 😌

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:12 AM

#

obtuse gale yeah

yeah

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:12 AM

#

obtuse gale go bad

yeah

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:13 AM

#

obtuse gale `List<T>` as opposed to just `List`

yeah

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:13 AM

#

why tf sre node libraries so big

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:13 AM

#

prisma wave vs `sort :: [a] -> [a]` 😌

(Ord a) => [a] -> [a] 😣

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:14 AM

#

mitten what did xou do in haskell

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:14 AM

#

what

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:15 AM

#

what projects

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:15 AM

#

not much

#

I made a lisp interpreter

#

And started making a minecraft server until I got bored

#

Hrypton 😌

quiet depot Dec 19, 2021, 2:15 AM

#

u should make a universe simulation

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:16 AM

#

good idea

#

you know it's late when the australians wake up

#

gn

quiet depot Dec 19, 2021, 2:16 AM

#

gn

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:17 AM

#

australians are not real

#

do you think there could be smth for web design like css but better that it would be worth it using more than css in future? 🤔

pallid gale Dec 19, 2021, 2:22 AM

#

D:

quiet depot Dec 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

#

dense dew do you think there could be smth for web design like css but better that it woul...

ultimately has to go back to svg/css eventually

#

that's what browsers are designed to render

#

but things that transcompile to those things do exist

#

sass/less

#

and I'm sure there's plenty of other frameworks/languages out there that do similar things

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

#

Barry is racist

pallid gale Dec 19, 2021, 6:44 AM

#

excuse me

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 6:46 AM

#

He doesn't like my new color

old wyvern Dec 19, 2021, 6:49 AM

#

Oh no

#

The eye is back

pallid gale Dec 19, 2021, 6:49 AM

#

👁️

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 6:49 AM

#

yes

#

eYes

hot hull Dec 19, 2021, 8:50 AM

#

Sexy color emily

steep veldt Dec 19, 2021, 9:49 AM

#

Does anyone have a tested method for Minecraft version 1.8.8 (Worldedit 6) to paste schematics?

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:03 PM

#

😮

#

DI w kotlin is sexy

hot hull Dec 19, 2021, 2:10 PM

#

bruh

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:10 PM

#

wat

onyx loom Dec 19, 2021, 2:11 PM

#

fun PlayerJoinEvent.onJoin() {} pls

#

😃

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:12 PM

#

alr

#

i havent started learning it yet but it looks good thepig

wintry plinth Dec 19, 2021, 2:18 PM

#

Doesn’t look.. fun to me, jokes aside reminds me of JS syntax a bit

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:35 PM

#

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:47 PM

#

prisma wave

why

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:48 PM

#

kotlin bad

sly sonnet Dec 19, 2021, 2:48 PM

#

lack of skill

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 2:48 PM

#

prisma wave kotlin bad

why

quiet depot Dec 19, 2021, 2:48 PM

#

hows ur regex santa

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

dense dew why

why not

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

why

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 2:59 PM

#

quiet depot hows ur regex santa

Decent

quiet depot Dec 19, 2021, 3:00 PM

#

#development

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

prisma wave kotlin bad

why

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 3:10 PM

#

it just is

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 3:11 PM

#

yeah and why not

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 5:13 PM

#

prisma wave it just is

why

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 5:26 PM

#

for a few days I was wondering why I can't ssh directly to one of my pterodactyl servers... I opened the port on 127.0.0.1...

#

wait. but that shouldn't be a problem. now that Im looking at this my other server is on 127.0.0.1 as well and I can connect

#

welp back to wondering why it doesnt work

#

fuck

sly sonnet Dec 19, 2021, 6:28 PM

#

maybe some things are just not for you... stitchShrug

distant sun Dec 19, 2021, 6:38 PM

#

#

:))

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 6:44 PM

#

ew

primal crystal Dec 19, 2021, 7:12 PM

#

Wait AI on Js?

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 7:13 PM

#

Sadly

steep veldt Dec 19, 2021, 8:26 PM

#

Does anyone have an idea how to copy a world?

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 8:40 PM

#

no eyed deer

#

🤣

obtuse gale Dec 19, 2021, 10:56 PM

#

steep veldt Does anyone have an idea how to copy a world?

How to copy a folder?

#

Or how to copy regions…. Depends what you want

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:23 PM

#

prisma wave it just is

mitten exposed

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:23 PM

#

😮

prisma wave Dec 19, 2021, 11:24 PM

#

😮

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:36 PM

#

Is easier to build AntiCheat for Spigot or Minestom 🤔

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:36 PM

#

anticheat = hard

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:37 PM

#

I wanna use Minestom so bad but anticheats 😔

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:37 PM

#

whats minestom?

wintry plinth Dec 19, 2021, 11:37 PM

#

^

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:37 PM

#

https://github.com/Minestom/Minestom

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:37 PM

#

u would know what minestom is if you were in krypton server

#

smh

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:38 PM

#

ive heard of it

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:38 PM

#

active in krypton server* xD

wintry plinth Dec 19, 2021, 11:38 PM

#

static zealot u would know what minestom is if you were in krypton server

Soz I’m not superman

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:38 PM

#

you should be tho

wintry plinth Dec 19, 2021, 11:38 PM

#

😏❤️

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:39 PM

#

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/minestom-a-minecraft-server-creator-library.432167/

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

Minestom - a minecraft server creator library

Hello,
I am here to present my homemade Minecraft server implementation (different from the Notchian one made by Mojang)....

#

for what Minecraft version is Krypton?

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:42 PM

#

krypton is not ready xD. but 1.18

wintry plinth Dec 19, 2021, 11:43 PM

#

Tbf 1.18 is great on performance, on raw boot it Beats 1.8

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:45 PM

#

hmm I do still get better performance with 1.8

#

but 1.18 is great in terms of it in respect to all features added

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:46 PM

#

It takes 1-2 seconds to load 1.18 and something very similar for 1.8

#

but yeah that's just loading time

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:46 PM

#

yuh 5head

#

nokotlin

#

😛

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

why

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

why not

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

Tenor

#

no fr

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

steel heart <:nokotlin:531226595952820224>

no one asked

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

yes fr

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

is learning kotlin worth it

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

its worth it

#

but I mean

#

Java got everything thats necessary imo

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

Java = pain

#

Kotlin = sexy

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

like sure new programming languages introduce all these cool features

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:48 PM

#

dense dew is learning kotlin worth it

kotlin = awesome

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:48 PM

#

yes

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:48 PM

#

bcz it makes stuff easier. that's why.

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:48 PM

#

but do those features belong to the solution set or problem set? Also I mean theres really nothing extremely new, like every programming language is basically just built up of sequence, iteration and selection

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:48 PM

#

it includes an entire stdlib

#

😌

#

nullsafe

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

kotlin comes with stuff like firstOrSecondNonNullOrNullIfNot

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

lol

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

how kotlin method names work like
how it works that instead of getConfig I need to use just config

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

stream alternative

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

dense dew how kotlin method names work like how it works that instead of getConfig I need ...

those aren't methods

#

those are properties

#

lombok but better

#

™️

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

well so what xdd?

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

half harness those aren't methods

wat nono

#

in main class

#

i could use

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

you can make a method name named config()

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

dense dew wat nono

ik what u mean

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

config.options.copyDefaults(true)

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

but what im saying

#

is that

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

😳

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

kotlin pretends those are properties

#

since u dont use getters/setters in kotlin

#

one thing i dont like about kotlin is its secondary constructors

#

🤢

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

what is pain in kotlin but in java no

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

coroutines

#

=

oak cypressBOT Dec 19, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

@half harness, Help menu!

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

cool

#

ok barry

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

half harness coroutines

goroutines 😳

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

dense dew goroutines 😳

👀

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

is that similar?

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

sounds similar

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

Like Java is excellent because there is usually only one clear or univocal way of doing stuff, it is also stable and only adds marginally necessary things imo

#

it misses coroutines and null safety

#

thats it

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

only adds marginally necessary things imo
tihs is why i like kotlin

#

kotlin adds more helpful things

#

and utilities

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

they're not helpful

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

for me they are

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

Ig

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

I personally don't care. I use C#

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

its nice to write 10 chars instead of 4 lines for DI xd

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:52 PM

#

lol

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:52 PM

#

yeah well if you care about source code lines that is Ig

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:52 PM

#

dense dew its nice to write 10 chars instead of 4 lines for DI xd

if u want u can post some code later on to see if ur not missing out on anything

#

fingerguns

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:52 PM

#

steel heart yeah well if you care about source code lines that is Ig

I personally used to care about that. but I am starting to love the verbosity of java.

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

but I am starting to love the verbosity of java.

#

D:

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

see, finally someone gets it

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

kotlin can still have that verbosity

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

half harness if u want u can post some code later on to see if ur not missing out on anything

wdym like you will check the code? (my english bad)

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

val test: String = "a";

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

also verbosity != boilerplate

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

half harness ```kt val test: String = "a"; ```

but you see.... no one is doing that

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

dense dew wdym like you will check the code? (my english bad)

yes

im kotlin nub but i can still help.. i think fingerguns

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

alr, i ll, thx

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

static zealot but you see.... no one is doing that

yea

but im saying that u can get java verbosity back in kotlin

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

btw doing DI in like 20 classes for getting config is bad? xd

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

public fun method(): Unit {
    System.`out`.println("Cool");
}

#

🥲

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

I'll go to a repo and see val test = someRandomMethod() and I have to look in 10 places to find the function bcz turns out it is inside a file not a class and when you import you just use import package.method for example

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

dense dew btw doing DI in like 20 classes for getting config is bad? xd

nope

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

half harness ```kt val test: String = "a"; ```

tho, if you're in rome do as the romans

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

okay, thx

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

okay I have to admit one more thing

#

first class function objects

#

but thats it

onyx loom Dec 19, 2021, 11:55 PM

#

half harness ```kt public fun method(): Unit { System.`out`.println("Cool"); } ```

u forgot the System.out instead of just println!

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:55 PM

#

oops 💀

#

fixed

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:55 PM

#

kotlin is nice. but that doesn't mean I have to hate java or any other language. like some people in here like to do for no reason.

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:55 PM

#

dense dew btw doing DI in like 20 classes for getting config is bad? xd

I tried to avoid that because its annoying in Java but Kotlin theotherpig

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:55 PM

#

I personally still use linux. bcz it makes my life easier sometimes

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:55 PM

#

static zealot kotlin is nice. but that doesn't mean I have to hate java or any other language....

yea

java is good
but kotlin is better

#

:))

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:55 PM

#

untrue

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 PM

#

proof

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 PM

#

:)))

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 PM

#

:)))))

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 PM

#

50% of kotlins features belong to the redundancy set

#

:)))))))))]]

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 PM

#

wdym

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 PM

#

firstOrSecondNonNullOrNullIfNot

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 PM

#

well

#

its a utility

#

it helps

#

fingerguns

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:57 PM

#

applyIfFirstIsNullandSecondIsNonNullOrComputeIfPresent

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:57 PM

#

kotlin have 0 performance impact on code?

#

if you write good code

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:57 PM

#

yes

#

php is not dangerous at all

#

if you write good code

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:57 PM

#

well

#

for your mental health it is

sly sonnet Dec 19, 2021, 11:57 PM

#

kotlin compiles to jvm bytecode iirc

onyx loom Dec 19, 2021, 11:57 PM

#

some things are more performant than other areas, some areas are worse

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:57 PM

#

some extra method calls but that shouldn't affect performance

#

in fact, it's never shown in spark report

#

fingerguns

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:58 PM

#

extra bytecode instruction = worse performance 🤡

static zealot Dec 19, 2021, 11:58 PM

#

sly sonnet kotlin compiles to jvm bytecode iirc

well Kotlin JVM does

dense dew Dec 19, 2021, 11:58 PM

#

time to learn kotlin 😏

steel heart Dec 19, 2021, 11:59 PM

#

half harness its a utility

as much as its a disadvantage

half harness Dec 19, 2021, 11:59 PM

#

steel heart as much as its a disadvantage

how

#

thats like saying java bad because it has java.util package

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:00 AM

#

Because there exist so many of your so-called utilities, you have to remember those all of those if you want to use those all of those and then its the decision whether to not just write it yourself or take 10 min to look it up

onyx loom Dec 20, 2021, 12:00 AM

#

having firstNotNullOrNull in the stdlib adds an extra 1kb to my jar file 😠 😠 😠 😠

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:00 AM

#

steel heart Because there exist so many of your so-called utilities, you have to remember th...

well, having it there and forgetting it sometimes is better than not having it there at all

#

fingerguns

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:00 AM

#

half harness well, having it there and forgetting it sometimes is better than not having it t...

elaborate

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:00 AM

#

onyx loom having firstNotNullOrNull in the stdlib adds an extra 1kb to my jar file 😠 😠 �...

actually true

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:01 AM

#

steel heart elaborate

because i remember it

#

so

#

its helpful

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:01 AM

#

poor brain

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:01 AM

#

thats like saying that u don't always remember everything in java.util, so java.util = useless and redunant and shouldn't be in java

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:01 AM

#

wat

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

well, having it there and forgetting it sometimes is better than not having it there at all
java has a bunch of stuff that you probably don't use a lot but its still there

#

it has it in case u need it

sly sonnet Dec 20, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

java.util.* Kappa

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

Java only adds necessary things so each utility stands out enough such that it is easily remembered because you don't mix it up with something else

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

why are you talking about java.util

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

I wonder that too

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

maybe, i don't really know about java util stuff

maybe it's just preference
I like it when theres more than enough utilities to work with 🥫

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

and Java has specific classes for this

onyx loom Dec 20, 2021, 12:03 AM

#

mix it up with something else
my brain when i realise find() and firstOrNull is literally the same thing

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:03 AM

#

so you can literally type the class name followed by a dot to get a list of all the utilities so you dont have to remember them, kotlin will just bomb you with its thousan higher order functions regardless

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:04 AM

#

steel heart so you can literally type the class name followed by a dot to get a list of all ...

but once u know those stuff, its very helpful

#

at least to me

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 12:04 AM

#

dkim I remember when u did Java

#

that was good times

onyx loom Dec 20, 2021, 12:04 AM

#

💀

#

the old days

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:04 AM

#

💀

static zealot Dec 20, 2021, 12:05 AM

#

:kek:

#

I remember when he used to not talk at all

#

good old days

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:06 AM

#

afk

ocean quartz Dec 20, 2021, 12:07 AM

#

static zealot kotlin is nice. but that doesn't mean I have to hate java or any other language....

Wow, what are you? A sensible dev? We don't like those, we have to hate on things here sir

static zealot Dec 20, 2021, 12:08 AM

#

ocean quartz Wow, what are you? A sensible dev? We don't like those, we have to hate on thing...

yes I know. bcz helpchat is just an extension of stack overflow at this point 😦

#

or at least the bad part

ocean quartz Dec 20, 2021, 12:08 AM

#

Unfortunately

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 12:50 AM

#

How good is JetBrains Java --> Kotlin converter? 🤔

onyx loom Dec 20, 2021, 12:52 AM

#

it does the job... kind of

#

itll do like 90% of the work for u

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 12:55 AM

#

dense dew How good is JetBrains Java --> Kotlin converter? 🤔

it does the basic work, but it has very messy and usually incorrect code

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 12:56 AM

#

alr

#

and approx how long does it take to learn kotlin? (whenyou know java already)

ocean quartz Dec 20, 2021, 1:03 AM

#

Not too long, but you'll start writing Kotlin like Java, to write idiomatic Kotlin it'll take a bit longer

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 1:11 AM

#

It took like a week for me to get used to kotlin

#

(Learning the equivalents of what Java got and some other minor features)

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 1:14 AM

#

dense dew and approx how long does it take to learn kotlin? (whenyou know java already)

basic kotlin will not take long to learn

but there are a bunch of utils in it which take a while to remember

#

and some other stuff (ex coroutines)

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 1:16 AM

#

why Paper is in Java and not Kotlin 😔

#

is it better for opensrc projects?

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 1:22 AM

#

Because they don’t need it to be in kotlin

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 1:22 AM

#

i dont see reason for using java if people know kotlin xd

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 1:22 AM

#

Because their entire work is made in Java

#

It’s just not easy to swap over like that

#

And there’s no point also

#

It’s mostly a set of interfaces anyways

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 1:23 AM

#

and when i want to explain kotlin for frontend people
can i compare it to SASS
basically preprocessor but for programming xd

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 1:23 AM

#

Hmm yeah

#

Altho I will find you if you tell someone kotlin is better than Java

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 1:24 AM

#

it is

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 1:24 AM

#

8916pepeshoot1

#

Actually try kotlin out

#

It should be enough to explain the inexplicable kotlin > java fiasco

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 1:31 AM

#

steel heart It should be enough to explain the inexplicable kotlin > java fiasco

can you explain why

steel heart Dec 20, 2021, 1:33 AM

#

No because you have to experience it

#

And it’s not like learning kotlin is of any disadvantage

tepid sedge Dec 20, 2021, 1:44 AM

#

How can I get my Array list from the config and send it as a message?

#

It's multi line

wheat harness Dec 20, 2021, 1:55 AM

#

Did anyone can give me script to kill screen name bot always at 4 am and do cd /home/bot-dc and run start.sh ?

half harness Dec 20, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

dense dew why Paper is in Java and not Kotlin 😔

most of it is patches (and spigot & mc is written in java) - the only part i would see being written in kotlin is the actual paper.jar

#

but more people know java so ig they chose to stick with java

#

thats my guess

obtuse gale Dec 20, 2021, 2:13 AM

#

the only part i would see being written in kotlin is the actual paper.jar
which is minimal lol

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 2:44 AM

#

until the hard fork!

#

wooo let's gooo

ocean quartz Dec 20, 2021, 3:08 AM

#

steel heart It should be enough to explain the inexplicable kotlin > java fiasco

X language > Y language - translates to "I like this more"

tepid sedge Dec 20, 2021, 3:22 AM

#

Do I have to use Essentials in order to get the Vault work with my plugin?

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 3:33 AM

#

cinder flare until the hard fork!

still doesn't make sense, since mojang will always use java

#

well, unless they don't

#

Hello good evening sir, this is #dev-general

muted mountain Dec 20, 2021, 3:33 AM

#

ups

#

sorry

#

Where can I ask the staff for help?

quiet depot Dec 20, 2021, 3:34 AM

#

what do you need help with?

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 3:34 AM

#

and #off-topic

sweet cipher Dec 20, 2021, 3:36 AM

#

ocean quartz X language > Y language - translates to "I like this more"

Except for Skript, the best and most efficient programming language.

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 3:37 AM

#

👊

#

that's a punch

#

not a fist bump

distant sun Dec 20, 2021, 3:37 AM

#

when breaking a pair in kotlin, is possible to assign its values to certain variables instead of defining new ones and then assign those?
So instead of this

val (first, second) = pair
a = first
b = second```
You would assign `first to a` and `second to b` directly
```kt
(a, b) = pair```

sweet cipher Dec 20, 2021, 3:38 AM

#

eternal compass 👊

👊 Fist bump back at you, Skript is the best!

sweet cipher Dec 20, 2021, 3:39 AM

#

distant sun when breaking a pair in kotlin, is possible to assign its values to certain vari...

Maybe val (first, second) = [first, second]?

#

Oh wait nvm

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 3:42 AM

#

sweet cipher 👊 Fist bump back at you, Skript is the best!

Now we're both unconscious

sweet cipher Dec 20, 2021, 3:43 AM

#

Skript really is that powerful

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 3:59 AM

#

eternal compass still doesn't make sense, since mojang will always use java

i mean that doesn't matter!

#

convert the entire codebase to Kotlin!

#

ECS that bitch up

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 3:59 AM

#

updating would be like harder than it is right now

#

and man right now it ain't easy for paper

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 3:59 AM

#

yeah but that only happens every few months! imagine the performance gains!

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 4:00 AM

#

We should really be compiling it down to C

#

and write our own garbage collector

#

imagine how much better it would be

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 4:01 AM

#

yea yea, LLVM IR

#

well you see, if we wrote it in C, we wouldn't even need a garbage collector!

#

garbage collectors are bloat, so obviously we write it in Rust

#

especially if you're doing the kind of allocations minecraft does, it's actually very feasible to not have a garbage collector

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 4:02 AM

#

cinder flare well you see, if we wrote it in C, we wouldn't even need a garbage collector!

how so?

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 4:02 AM

#

well Fred, there's this thing where you can do manual memory management

#

it's pretty cool actually

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 4:02 AM

#

right right

#

but something needs to clear used memory

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 4:02 AM

#

yes, it's called the stack

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 4:03 AM

#

idk what I'm talking about though lmao
I've used Java, and Javascript mostly, with a bit of golang. tldr; I know nothing about GC

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 4:03 AM

#

yea I read a whole lot about like how Go's garbage collector is much less sophisticated but it's because it doesn't need to be

#

very good reads

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 4:04 AM

#

for school?

#

or just in general 👀

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 4:06 AM

#

no no, just in general

#

https://itnext.io/go-does-not-need-a-java-style-gc-ac99b8d26c60

Medium

Go Does Not Need a Java Style GC

Modern languages such as Go, Julia and Rust don’t need complex garbage collectors like the ones use by Java C#. But why? To explain why, we need to get into how garbage collectors work and how…

#

have a read

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 4:17 AM

#

Hm okay

prisma wave Dec 20, 2021, 9:47 AM

#

cinder flare yeah but that only happens every few months! imagine the performance gains!

why would kotlin have better performance lol

#

It'd be about the same, if not slightly worse, no?

cinder flare Dec 20, 2021, 9:54 AM

#

well not necessarily kotlin, just the fact that they're rewriting a bunch of stuff to be better lol

#

which they probably aren't

#

i dunno im in a fantasyland

obtuse gale Dec 20, 2021, 11:25 AM

#

eternal compass and write our own garbage collector

theres tons of different garbage collectors depending on needs :/

#

its obv nice for certain things

old wyvern Dec 20, 2021, 1:05 PM

#

Is adventure platform agnostic?

prisma wave Dec 20, 2021, 1:09 PM

#

pretty sure it is yeah

eternal compass Dec 20, 2021, 1:09 PM

#

Mhm

#

They don't like spigot

#

They recommend against it

quiet depot Dec 20, 2021, 1:09 PM

#

literally 1984

old wyvern Dec 20, 2021, 1:28 PM

#

prisma wave pretty sure it is yeah

Ah, thanks

dense dew Dec 20, 2021, 4:02 PM

#

what did i do

#

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

Tenor

static zealot Dec 20, 2021, 4:03 PM

#

idk. what did you do?

hot hull Dec 20, 2021, 4:04 PM

#

You clearly used a where statement after return statement

#

duh

static zealot Dec 20, 2021, 4:05 PM

#

true

prisma wave Dec 20, 2021, 4:29 PM

#

"statement" 😷 💀 😭 😖 🤢

#

IDIOT

#

return is not a statement in haskell

signal yarrow Dec 20, 2021, 4:43 PM

#

Anyone here got a copy of recent Fabritone jar? The gitlab site of the fabritone is I think deleted since it shows Page Not Found 404.

sly sonnet Dec 20, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

use paper

plain flume Dec 20, 2021, 5:08 PM

#

hi

crude pivot Dec 20, 2021, 6:09 PM

#

hey

obtuse gale Dec 20, 2021, 6:10 PM

#

Hey

#

Yo

#

Sup

crude pivot Dec 20, 2021, 6:14 PM

#

My one account got disable

#

how i can recover it?

#

can anyone help me please

static zealot Dec 20, 2021, 6:19 PM

#

crude pivot can anyone help me please

this discord server is not related with discord the company. if you want support, you'll have to contact them at https://support.discord.com

crude pivot Dec 20, 2021, 6:22 PM

#

static zealot this discord server is not related with discord the company. if you want support...

Thank you

gusty glen Dec 20, 2021, 9:56 PM

#

what registrar do you guys use for your domains?

static zealot Dec 20, 2021, 10:00 PM

#

cloudflare

gusty glen Dec 20, 2021, 10:03 PM

#

does it provide private registration?

static zealot Dec 20, 2021, 10:05 PM

#

yeah

#

I think at least. hmm

#

let me check if mine is private

#

yeah. it is

gusty glen Dec 20, 2021, 10:06 PM

#

thanks, I'll order my domain

dense skiff Dec 20, 2021, 11:00 PM

#

@static zealot what is this I’m confused I somehow joined

wintry plinth Dec 20, 2021, 11:01 PM

#

gusty glen what registrar do you guys use for your domains?

PorkBun

#

I moved there from Namecheap, never looked back, Cloudflare is a tiny bit cheaper but I prefer PorkBun personally

static zealot Dec 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

#

dense skiff <@!444552204158763016> what is this I’m confused I somehow joined

you can read the "about us" part on this page https://helpch.at/

HelpChat

HelpChat is designed to support people all over the Minecraft community, from server owners to plugin developers. We offer a central place for assistance, ideas and general chat. Join our ever growing community today!

#

or just this ^

gusty glen Dec 20, 2021, 11:59 PM

#

@ocean quartz how do you manage your VPS? Do you use Docker, Kubernetes, or you've just installed everything directly on the machine? 'Cause I'm looking for a good setup to set up my own VPS

prisma wave Dec 21, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

Docker

#

You really really don't need k8s

gusty glen Dec 21, 2021, 12:56 AM

#

I see, thanks BM

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:09 AM

#

Yeah i am a bad example to ask that, kek

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 7:28 AM

#

prisma wave You really really don't need k8s

what this guy said ^

frigid badge Dec 21, 2021, 8:14 AM

#

yes docker 😊

hot hull Dec 21, 2021, 10:49 AM

#

Oh hey Lemmo

steel heart Dec 21, 2021, 11:10 AM

#

Frosty, you’re so frosty

#

derp

dense dew Dec 21, 2021, 11:20 AM

#

🥶

frigid badge Dec 21, 2021, 1:16 PM

#

hot hull Oh hey Lemmo

hi

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 2:03 PM

#

I just realized something. How come md implemented a system to download libraries at run-time, isn't there a rule for paid plugins that says that they shouldn't require an internet connection? thonking

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

#

everyone else maybe?

#

kinda a rough limit if you can't require an internet connection to runtime DL libs and can't go over 5MB or whatevs

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:27 PM

#

I think he changed it some time ago, as long as you provide the libs separately for people to download or something like that

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:38 PM

#

spigot gone so downhill these last few days its crazy

#

No wonder stuff like Polymart exists these days

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:40 PM

#

god I can't wait for Hangar

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:41 PM

#

Yeah I heard about that, seems nice, only thing I dislike is you can't have premium plugins, you can only charge for support

#

Which I find kinda silly IMO

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:41 PM

#

Good

#

Premium plugins are silly

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:41 PM

#

Why? People should be able to be rewarded for their time

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:42 PM

#

Sure, with charging for support

#

Closed-source software, especially in a short-lived Minecraft plugin context sucks

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:42 PM

#

I do agree, prime example being DeluxeChat (ironically) however I feel like forcing it to be free isn't a solution

#

IMO would of been better off allowing paid plugins, but no obfuscation

#

At least then, at worst, it can be decompiled and continued

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:43 PM

#

Better would be open source plugins where you pay for support

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:44 PM

#

Then you'll find resource authors will spend less time on nice documentation

#

As a way to get those $$

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:44 PM

#

Alright

#

I'd rather have that than a closed-source obfuscated plugin that nobody can use after the creator stops playing Minecraft

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:44 PM

#

Exactly why I said above

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:45 PM

#

And the best part of it being open source is that someone else can do the documentation

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:45 PM

#

Allowing paid plugins, but no obfuscation

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:45 PM

#

there's nothing wrong with having a download paywall on an open source plugin

#

hangar doesn't allow for that though

#

I agree with chaz here

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:45 PM

#

Ah just a download paywall, sure

#

But absolutely not closed source, regardless of obfuscation

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:45 PM

#

wintry plinth IMO would of been better off allowing paid plugins, but no obfuscation

I literally even said it here Star, I feel like if we allowed paid plugins, but forced no obfuscation, at least if author goes poof

#

Then people can continue it

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:45 PM

#

Paid plugins != open source

#

I am arguing for open source

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

#

In that case, for sure, yes, if forced to go FOSS, but I can see it happening guys will want to spend little time on docs

#

As a way to earn $$

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

#

Again, better than what we have now

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

#

I suppose thats true

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

#

And I am 100% fine with a paywall on the actual website proper to download and get support

#

As long as it's open source, I couldn't care less, in fact

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

#

Ah yeah, I like the idea of such

#

If Hangar allowed paid plugins, but it had to be open-sourced somewhere

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:47 PM

#

Yeah that would be perfect actually

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:47 PM

#

problem hangar has is it doesn't have anything on other platforms

#

there's no incentive for devs to move over

#

it has less features than other platforms (not allowing premiums)

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:48 PM

#

Well with the hard fork, I feel that it being the home of Paper plugins as a whole would be a great boon

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:48 PM

#

we'll see if that works but I'm very skeptical

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:48 PM

#

And yeah hopefully they do come to something like paywall but open source, or I do think they will have a hard time

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:49 PM

#

I think some big plugins that have already vowed to move over (iirc essentials was one), will, and then not much else will

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:49 PM

#

The only incentive to move to hangar is that Spigot doesn't allow Paper only plugins

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:49 PM

#

I would be very happy to live in a world with a bunch of Paper-only plugins

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

#

god i hope the file size limit isn't the equivalent of a handful of floppy disks

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

#

Same

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

#

I don't even know why there is such a small file size limit

#

Why not make it like 100MB?

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

#

star there are a lot of plugins on spigot...

#

that would be insanely expensive

muted perch Dec 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

#

hey?

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

#

I mean pig look at curseforge

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

#

^

#

Or, even better, allow just linking to GitHub

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:51 PM

#

curseforge is backed by twitch/amazon which is a much bigger company than spigot

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:51 PM

#

download GitHub releases

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 2:51 PM

#

mods range from a handful of kb to dozens of dozens of mb

#

did it always tho?

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:51 PM

#

No, definitely not

#

I remember back in the day

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:52 PM

#

spigot is probably also larger

hot hull Dec 21, 2021, 2:52 PM

#

y'all stuped

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:52 PM

#

It wasn't yeah, but i don't remember if you could download previous versions or not

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:52 PM

#

Well who cares, if you can't provide a good enough service, then at least let us outsource it

#

GitHub releases are great, and GitHub can certainly afford the file hosting lmao

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:52 PM

#

you can...

#

you can provide external download links

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:52 PM

#

Not for premium plugins last I heard

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:53 PM

#

Well it doesn't really make sense for premium plugins

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:53 PM

#

Well maybe not GitHub

#

but other sites

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:53 PM

#

You'd have to implement some sort of verification if that was the case

#

So you can imagine how much of a pain in the ass that'd be

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:54 PM

#

Sure, maybe Spigot could have an actual API that's not literally useless

#

Spigot leaves a lot of room for improvement, is my point

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:54 PM

#

quiet depot I think some big plugins that have already vowed to move over (iirc essentials w...

I thought this myself, if nobody sees the appeal, and can't get past having to open-source in turn

#

Then nobody will move

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:54 PM

#

it's not just the open source issue I just don't think there's much of an audience for hangar

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

quiet depot that would be insanely expensive

I think someone said that all plugins from spigot are under 10GB, I may be wrong, but it was a small number anyways

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

like sure paper only plugins

#

but I've never used a paper only plugin lol

#

I don't even know of any paper only plugins

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

You need the bigger guys to move, for others to

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

I wonder why Pig

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

Because there is nowhere to share paper only plugins

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

It's not feasible now

#

^

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

Biggest example of a "half market" is literally Songoda

#

Only some guys moved there, but not everyone

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:56 PM

#

Yeah we kinda live in a shitty time right now

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:56 PM

#

@obtuse gale CurseForge?

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

yes

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

I do wish we could all move to an only open-source model and every plugin you want gets to fully utilize the Paper API and all

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

Have you ever downloaded a plugin from there?

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

have you ever heard of worldedit?

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

lol

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

ocean quartz Because there is nowhere to share paper only plugins

https://papermc.io/forums/c/plugin-releases/15 I've found this

PaperMC Forums

Plugin Releases

List of all plugin releases on the site. Submit posts to the subcategories.

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

Gaby how long did it take you to find that lmao

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

WorldEdit/WorldGuard are the only plugins i'd currently ever use CurseForge for

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

#

Cause your answer there is the reason nobody uses that

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:58 PM

#

obtuse gale have you ever heard of worldedit?

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 2:58 PM

#

cinder flare I do wish we could all move to an only open-source model and every plugin you wa...

Will never happen

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:58 PM

#

Hence the "I do wish" part at the beginning

#

But thanks

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 2:58 PM

#

ocean quartz

literally the first one listed for bukkit plugins https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/bukkit-plugins

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 2:58 PM

#

cinder flare Gaby how long did it take you to find that lmao

"Papermc plugins"

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:59 PM

#

we'll see if it works

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 2:59 PM

#

What I am saying is no one goes there for plugins
And WorldEdit isn't a paper only plugin

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 2:59 PM

#

personally not optimistic about it

#

I think hangar might have to do some changes if it wants to compete properly

#

but we'l lsee

#

i might get proven terribly wrong

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 2:59 PM

#

I mean, all we can do is hope

#

Lotta problems right now

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:00 PM

#

With what?

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:00 PM

#

Minecraft Plugins

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 3:00 PM

#

"No paid plugins"won't draw many people attention

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:01 PM

#

So don’t do them, probably less profit involved than just finding a job. Obviously depends what you sell

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:01 PM

#

I'm not talking about from a developer perspective

#

I'm talking about from a server owner perspective

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 3:02 PM

#

distant sun "No paid plugins"won't draw many people attention

Yeah, I think guys who currently have closed-sourced plugins that monetise may have hard appeal, but server owners will have an easy appeal as they'll have more free plugins to pick from

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:02 PM

#

Ah just the average server owner. Isn’t this why servers should have developers tho

#

Eh you’re right plug-ins fucked in that sense

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:02 PM

#

It isn't exactly economical to custom make every single plugin for every server lmao

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 3:02 PM

#

wintry plinth Yeah, I think guys who currently have closed-sourced plugins that monetise may h...

Well yeah but these can just post their plugins anywhere

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

Cause obv not all server owners will have devs

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

I just absolutely hate seeing plugins that are closed source, obfuscated, and charge a ton of money for something.

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

How come?

quiet depot Dec 21, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

morally questionable

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

Cause on a server I work on, we have literally 4 different plugins that add custom items and textures and stuff and all work differently

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:04 PM

#

Cause if you were the dev on the other side of that. You definitely wouldn’t agree. I mean first off never will open src be better in a sense of security. Who knows maybe there’s flaws somewhere in something you made for whoever to see. Money is money I mean they pay for what they get. Obfuscation eh could matter less.

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:05 PM

#

Woah woah

#

I am a dev as well my friend

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:05 PM

#

cinder flare Cause on a server I work on, we have literally 4 different plugins that add cust...

This seems more directed to the team you work with than devs who work legit jobs

#

I never said you weren’t

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:05 PM

#

Security through obscurity never works

#

And money is absolutely not the problem

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 3:05 PM

#

nms

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 3:06 PM

#

Obfuscation makes it harder for yourself to diagnose bugs than for people to leak/copy

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:06 PM

#

We have purchased a ton of plugins that are open source for support and just to help the devs as they did make a valuable thing

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 3:06 PM

#

cinder flare I just absolutely hate seeing plugins that are closed source, obfuscated, and ch...

See, I differ to an extent, if the project itself is maintained, then damn right should the author be able to monetise and protect their work. In my example, I used to own a server spoofer, and of course I obfuscated and monetised, but for obvious reasons, if I didn't then people could steal my work and make clones. Of course, if i went inactive it would only be right to disclose source to people.

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:06 PM

#

The whole point of open source software and communities is to improve on software for everyone

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 3:06 PM

#

ocean quartz Obfuscation makes it harder for yourself to diagnose bugs than for people to lea...

Wdym? Thats your problem if you can't see where the problem is on class a.b.c.d.e.F

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

kek

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

cinder flare I just absolutely hate seeing plugins that are closed source, obfuscated, and ch...

I was just saying obfuscation doesent matter in the sense of star not liking people that obfuscate, close src, and charge high prices

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

Or or lll.lllll.lll.lllllll.l.l.l.LLLLLL

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

I guess it all comes down to a mindset which is obviously different on a per person basis

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

This one is devil

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

cinder flare The whole point of open source software and communities is to improve on softwar...

I agree heavily here, it lets others chip in to features you may not have the time to implement yourself

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

But I just don't see a good enough reason to close source and "protect your work from clones"

wintry plinth Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

But I feel that should be a choice if they wish to do so or not

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

If your goal is to make open source software than sure

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

I mean yeah I guess that's how you view the community

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

Sometimes it doesent make sense to give the “enemy” the upper hand is all.

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

Oh boy

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

Imagine any good mc server open src

cinder flare Dec 21, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

If that's your mindset, I never want to run some code that you have written

obtuse gale Dec 21, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

Since it came out

ocean quartz Dec 21, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

A person compiling your plugin from github would never buy your plugin in the first place, you don't lose money

distant sun Dec 21, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

You probably never made a server and wanted to do something but that plugin that stops you from doing it is closed source + obfuscated, billyb :)

╔═╦╗╔╦╗╔═╦═╦╦╦╦╗╔═╗ ║╚╣║║║╚╣╚╣╔╣╔╣║╚╣═╣ ╠╗║╚╝║║╠╗║╚╣║║║║║═╣ ╚═╩══╩═╩═╩═╩╝╚╩═╩═╝

╔═╦╗╔╦╗╔═╦═╦╦╦╦╗╔═╗
║╚╣║║║╚╣╚╣╔╣╔╣║╚╣═╣
╠╗║╚╝║║╠╗║╚╣║║║║║═╣
╚═╩══╩═╩═╩═╩╝╚╩═╩═╝