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#dev-general
golden sun
quiet depot
cube would get mad at me if I added that
cinder flare
cube would get mad at me if I added that
static zealot
xd
quiet depot
we are christian server
lunar cypress
attack and dethrone god
quiet depot
i've tried several times
static zealot
oh
quiet depot
but he just punished me to hell
lunar cypress
damn that sucks
old wyvern
but he just punished me to hell
50 shades of clip?
quiet depot
was talking about cube not clip
golden sun
50 sided cube
quiet depot
50 sides of an edgeless cube
static zealot
ok gonna stop now
golden sun
d50
lunar cypress
mod btw
quiet depot
?
quiet depot
o
believe the "Norimaki Synthesizer" is the taste thing I was talking about earlier btw
golden sun
they are secret. don't talk about em
ah
I know the thing that does smells
but not taste
static zealot
quiet depot
well this one u've got a few tubes of different shits
static zealot
should I flashbang you guys?
quiet depot
u got citric acid
magnesium chloride
sodium chloride
all the good stuff
and then it simulates any taste
lunar cypress
ewwwww
static zealot
quiet depot
shit looks like fucked up sushi
static zealot
no ty
lunar cypress
can you eat this
quiet depot
you can eat literally anything if you put your mind to it
half harness
can you eat a car
onyx loom
😋
half harness
This is what happens when you forget to add -Xmx to your minecraft server 🥲
lol
-Xms256M -Xmx2G is this correct?
static zealot
yessssnnn'''t
half harness
static zealot
man I just can't stop playing systemd
eternal compass
OpenRC?
eternal compass
Wierdos
cinder flare
yea seriously
golden sun
OpenRollerCoasterTycoon2?
old wyvern
man I just can't stop playing systemd
😌
jovial warren
eternal compass
https://repo.kryptonmc.org \o/
Fancy
dense flicker
Has anybody edited datapacks before, not made one but changed files inside one to suit a need? i'm trying to remove custom itoms from a datapack but keep its terrain generation and I have zero idea where to start sadly
jovial warren
anyone here who's used reposilite before got any idea how to mirror central? should I just set it to proxy https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2?
old wyvern
Yup
jovial warren
alright, thanks
trying to make it so you can depend on the Krypton API by only using one repo lol
old wyvern
lol
jovial warren
so I'm proxying both central and libraries.minecraft.net
old wyvern
jovial warren
yeah that's what I have
old wyvern
lit
jovial warren
okay I have some really strange behaviour
if I enable SSL, it throws an error about the key store and resolves fine
if I disable SSL, it starts up without errors but Caddy can't dial it (resulting in a 502)
tf
old wyvern
I just have ssl setup on nginx and have the reposilite one turned off
jovial warren
https://paste.helpch.at/uwocivopup.json this is the error I get with SSL disabled
it can't connect
and with SSL enabled, the port is opened properly and I can telnet it
jovial warren
https://repo.kryptonmc.org/ and now we have the empty page of death
maybe it's time I just switch to NGINX
ocean quartz
So, I know you can do something like this in gradle:
root
project // inherits from root's `subprojects`
folder
project (with build.gradle) // declaring dependency 1 here
project (with build.gradle) // Has to repeat declaring dependency 1 again
Basically this way the projects inside the folder repeat the same dependencies (project outside of the folder doesn't need it)
But I wanted to know if this was possible instead
root
project // inherits from root's `subprojects`
folder // works as a secondary root with `subprojects` on it, projects inside no longer need to repeat dependencies
project (with build.gradle)
project (with build.gradle)
I tried earlier but didn't seem to have worked
obtuse gale
Not sure if this I'm gonna say is valid but can't you stick a new settings.gradle inside a folder or somewhere?
And like
Do the thing
ocean quartz
I can try that, the way i had it was with just one settings.gradle
frail glade
So CoreProtect is open source now 👀
ocean quartz
It needs an ant file as well
cinder flare
maybe a cargo.toml while we're at it
ocean quartz
Not sure if this I'm gonna say is valid but can't you stick a new settings.gradl...
Sadge
jovial warren
and, like a lot of other non-open-source plugins that go open-source, I see the codebase is pretty terrible lol
half harness
lol
jovial warren
wonder what the windows source code looks like 👀
that's a huge project being worked on by a massive amount of developers, so I'd say: pretty awful
I imagine a decent chunk of the codebase hasn't been touched in the last 20 years or something
cinder flare
still including technical debt from Windows NT!
jovial warren
still including technical debt from Windows NT!
let me just interject for a moment
Windows NT is the kernel, not an OS 🙂
sorry, just had to correct that
old wyvern
Didnt linus show like the function dependency graphs in windows being very very very "sphegetti"
obtuse gale
https://i.imgur.com/IDX4YI6.png <:thonking:379541184697204736>
i hate that, they also have one permission for each one of those commands
ocean quartz
that a no?
Yeah, it didn't recognize the file 😦
jovial warren
oh yeah, NT was an OS once, it's the name for the family nowadays though
cinder flare
yessir
jovial warren
I'm gonna finally rewrite all of the massively outdated Krypton documentation lol
this is gonna be fun
distant sun
I imagine a decent chunk of the codebase hasn't been touched in the last 20 year...
Minecraft soontm
old wyvern
Does jshell provide any way to change the working directory?
old wyvern
Does that mention changing jshell directory somewhere in there or was just unrelated?
obtuse gale
🥲
old wyvern
🥲
jovial warren
thinking about the SecurityManager btw, someone please explain to me why tf it's in java.lang lol
ocean quartz
Sadge 😩
jovial warren
composite builds OP
... until you realise that yours somehow breaks on Gradle 7.1 🥲
cinder flare
thinking about the SecurityManager btw, someone please explain to me why tf it's...
There were like 8 total packages when it came out, I bet it made sense to classify it as a language feature
half harness
What's the best way to kick a player from a world?
obtuse gale
to where..
half harness
¯_(ツ)_/¯
like if I was regenerating my bedwars map, and a player was in the world, and there was no main lobby set, where would they go?
cinder flare
into the void
half harness
I couldn't find any way to get the default world
half harness
into the void
🤨
cinder flare
send 'em to 8.8.8.8
half harness
half harness
lol
astral python
Hi, do you know if oracle sets up a default password for the default admin vm agent?
astral python
nevermind haha
I'm having a problem now, I'm trying to intall docker in CentOS, but somehow it tells me that i need "slirp4netns" and "fuse-overlayfs" dependencies to install it, but when I try to install them they it returns that they don't exist :,c
Should I just skip them?
stuck harbor
I'm having a problem now, I'm trying to intall docker in CentOS, but somehow it ...
google those dependencies with 'centos' and it will probably show their actual names
anyway centos bad ;)
astral python
Yea I just did it haha, had to "localinstall" every mirror
distant sun
any good sound for removing something, like a chat tag?
old wyvern
villager hmm thing
distant sun
was looking for something like an eraser sound, but there's nothing like this
quiet depot
was looking for something like an eraser sound, but there's nothing like this
lava item sound
timber oak
fak, I closed a server without stopping it first, how do I now stop the server lol
Like I just pressed the x to close it
hot hull
Kill it?
eternal compass
Should I get the domain fredthedoggy.com or fredthedoggy.me?
I currently use me.fredthedoggy in java
But it's more expensive, and seems less professional
prisma wave
.me is kinda intended for personal portfolios and stuff, I don't think there's anything unprofessional about it
eternal compass
.me is kinda intended for personal portfolios and stuff, I don't think there's a...
Okay, ig I'll go with .me then, no changing my Java packages
$20/y
sly sonnet
it's not that much
eternal compass
it's not that much
I never said it was lol
timber oak
Does everyone use the default command handler or custom ones?
prisma wave
god no
most people here will use some sort of framework
triumph-commands, ACF, and Cloud are all pretty popular
timber oak
I just started using another framework also, noticed how bad the standard one actually is, or well, just inefficient
prisma wave
the vanilla system is fine, but yeah it's pretty verbose
it leaves all the work up to you
timber oak
Do you by any chance know which framework this is?
@Command(identifier = "duel start",
description = "Start a duel against another player")
public void duelStart(CommandSender sender,
@Arg(name = "playerName", description = "Player Name")String playerName
){
nope
prisma wave
possibly worldedit's one then
quiet depot
yes
prisma wave
well, it uses one
quiet depot
isn't it called piston or something
prisma wave
no idea
timber oak
Hmmm cant find it
quiet depot
timber oak
Ah ty
onyx loom
mf better
prisma wave
shut
onyx loom
no u
timber oak
Do you by any chance know which framework this is?
```java
@Command(identifi...
Piggy do you know if this is the Piston command handler?
timber oak
Ohhh alright, ty! Couldn't find examples of Piston in the git
quiet depot
actually no
that might not be piston
seems piston calls description "desc", not "description"
and I'm just looking at w/e for examples
timber oak
Rip
potent nest
looks like a clone tho 🤔
quiet depot
where'd you see it?
potent nest
I mean it's pretty similar in the things you see in that example, besides the annotation parameter names
timber oak
where'd you see it?
This is from an open-source project, where they extracted the command handler
Commands in here https://github.com/PrisonTeam/Prison/tree/master/prison-spigot/src/main/java/tech/mcprison/prison/spigot/utils
potent nest
steel heart
Don’t they use intake?
timber oak
<https://github.com/PrisonTeam/Prison/blob/master/prison-core/src/main/java/tech...
wdym
steel heart
potent nest
intake is pre 1.13/WE 6
steel heart
Oh lol
timber oak
intake is pre 1.13/WE 6
The plugin is made in 1.13.2 tho
potent nest
?
I linked you the code of the "command framework" you're looking for
it's all in core there
timber oak
Yeah ik, just looking for where it was originated from
quiet depot
could be unique
timber oak
It's not, they got it from somewhere
The current owner couldn't find where it was from either, but the old developers didn't make it themselves
Looks a lot like Piston though, might just be a clone of it with a few changes
prisma wave
Why is it so hard to get a nice polybar theme
I hate customisability
I just want something that looks nice and works, not having to install and clone 59 different scripts and packages
copy some shitty git repo that uses an in house colour scheme util that doesn't even work
ugh
If anyone uses i3 and polybar and has a theme that looks nice please send me it
dark fjord
When I add a datapack to a java server. I have to add it to the datapack of a world. Do I have to add the data pack to EACH world if I have multiple? Or just one?
static zealot
lol
sly sonnet
rm -rf'd
distant sun
Topless
distant sun
:))
So I don't quite like PHP but I need to do some server side stuff for a web project, would java be an acceptable alternative?
distant sun
just saying
old wyvern
Ruby on Rails 😌
distant sun
It needs to be in Java, Matt
I mean, the result will be displayed in front end but still, dont want the code to be accessible
old wyvern
What?
ocean quartz
What does that have anything to do with being in Java?
distant sun
I need it to be made in java
onyx loom
🤨
distant sun
Stuff will be processed on server side and displayed on client side or whatever front end is called
obtuse gale
What does the code being in kt or java have to do with accessibility
onyx loom
which can still be done with like, any language no?
distant sun
I didnt said it does
distant sun
It needs to be in Java, Matt
This was for matt's statement about kotlin
Let me rephrase that
I need to do a web project, using java will be a big bonus. The main stuff will be done on server side and then just display the final result on a page.
I could probably use js but im not a big fan and the code is accessible by anyone through inspect.
ocean quartz
You mean .. like this?
prisma wave
I could probably use js but im not a big fan and the code is accessible by anyone through inspect.
i know a language that's really good for frontend web development as an alternative to js!
ocean quartz
Still don't understand why it needs to be in java, but yeah you can do it any language
distant sun
Where I want to apply for a job they use java and having projects in java and possible spring, will be a good thing to have in portfolio
obtuse gale
Hey i am trying to make a bandage item this is what I have so far https://hastebin.com/yofaduruha.csharp
The if statement does not work, I don't get the message
getBenda is piece of paper
https://hastebin.com/ilurimufix.php
this is the creation
what am I doing wrong on if ?
ocean quartz
Wrong channel
distant sun
No bm
ocean quartz
Ah okay, that makes sense Gaby
distant sun
Yeah sorry xd
old wyvern
Let me rephrase that
I need to do a web project, using java will be a big bonus...
elm, rust, ts 😌
distant sun
Dont you have an expansion to fix?
onyx loom
oooooooooooooooooooooo
old wyvern
Dont you have an expansion to fix?
Dont you have Haskell to learn?
distant sun
I actualy dont, unlike you :)
ocean quartz
thank you webstorm
Classic js
eternal compass
its typescript
eternal compass
Alt enter
I was showing what I was doing
for the camera
and anyway alt enter doesn't do it, it brings up the menu
old wyvern
I actualy dont, unlike you :)
Sadly, you do.
prisma wave
happily*
old wyvern
^
distant sun
Nope
eternal compass
Anyone know how to view how many messages a bot has cached?
In djs
I've got these 3
But not messages
eternal compass
FrogBot
it was the nickname given to me by my moderators, so I called the bot FrogBot
now its basically just a server meme
static zealot
you're a meme
steel heart
Lmao
static zealot
ur mama made only so others have things to laugh at
steel heart
No need to be so harsh
static zealot
oh sorry. from now on I'll start lying
eternal compass
definitely
static zealot
no!?
eternal compass
you're a meme
yes
steel heart
Maybe you’re lying about that too 
static zealot
yes!?
eternal compass
that one's true
eternal compass
always have been
static zealot
you're such a bad boy. I wanna marry you
eternal compass
another lie
static zealot
true!
eternal compass
that one's right ^
dawn hinge
😳 Blitz
static zealot
ocean quartz
its typescript
Mostly same issues though
eternal compass
Mostly same issues though
yeah ofc
steel heart
Btw spigot #help-dev if someone wanna code review this guy who made an async plugin
https://github.com/Luziferium/AsyncSpawnMob/ gonna drop this here if anyone wants to deliberately take the time to commit code review headache edition
ocean quartz
Oh no
distant sun
where's "Async entity add to world" when you need it
forest pecan
that kid literally has a class for global variables (for the whole program)
global variables are a preschool programming concept
eternal compass
that kid literally has a class for global variables (for the whole program)
A school class?
forest pecan
? wdym
distant sun
Anybody feeling like taking a look at this https://github.com/iGabyTM/actions? I'm 100% I don't do everything right, any suggestions are welcome ^^
tranquil crane
https://github.com/Luziferium/AsyncSpawnMob/ gonna drop this here if anyone want...
Is there even anything in this plugin that's async other than the update checker? Everything else uses sync task timers that I can tell
eternal compass
? wdym
you were saying preschool and I got really confused if you meant a class in-school about global variables or a java class lmao
forest pecan
no. i meant like its something we may have done in the beginners (something i did at least when i used to make games in only one file)
id have these "global variables" up at the top of the header
its something common for beginners to do
tropic echo
Hey ya'll. I'm losing my mind updating NMS code to 1.17. Is there anywhere I can get an mc-dev -> mojang mapping
hot hull
Google?
cinder flare
@static zealot what type do you think a wiki request is under https://i.imgur.com/DSrHSlE.png
cinder flare
damb
hot hull
Third one would make most sense of the 4
cinder flare
already hit em with a New API Feature
hopefully he can add an option for that while he's at it too!
static zealot
oh u PRIng to the PAPI wiki directly ?
cinder flare
no made an issue
static zealot
ah
cinder flare
i mean it's open source
hot hull
Yea but I mean repo perms
cinder flare
ah
static zealot
repo perms? how do those work?
hot hull
Bruh everyone became dumb, or am I speaking in such a high english form
static zealot
Bruh everyone became dumb, or am I speaking in such a high english form
nah. its us that speak in a high english for. you're the dumb one. sorry mate
hot hull
Ah okay, that was going to be my second guess
carmine ledge
hello does this server help anarchy players?
old wyvern
timber oak
When I add a value to an arraylist it goes to the index of the length of the list right? And not at the beginning index of the list
distant sun
d;jdk collection#add
ruby craterBOT
cinder flare
d;jdk ArrayList#add
ruby craterBOT
cinder flare
Appends the specified element to the end of this list (optional operation).
ocean quartz
😭
onyx loom
send an invite 🙂
obtuse gale
Kiss me then
onyx loom
what could be the worst thing that could happen 🙂
jovial warren
public static final ConfiguredSurfaceBuilder<SurfaceBuilderBaseConfiguration> NOPE = register("nope", SurfaceBuilder.NOPE.configured(SurfaceBuilder.CONFIG_STONE)); lol
SurfaceBuilders.NOPE
obtuse gale
Rip
distant sun
@jovial warren whats that?
jovial warren
a surface builder, used in world generation
well, more specifically, it's the configuration for a surface builder
it's from vanilla lol
static zealot
@onyx loom can you link me the Kotlin expansion please? I keep forgetting its not on the ecloud and I finally want to give it a try xD
timber oak
Does it take a lot performance when getting strings from config.yml instead of just a variable
steel heart
Depends
If you cache it then no obv
But if it’s like reading the file each time yeah
Not so good idea
timber oak
Hmm, I'll work on a caching system then
static zealot
just use a lib for config. that does the caching for u xD
timber oak
just use a lib for config. that does the caching for u xD
Wanna learn tho lol
static zealot
k
timber oak
Object mapping ValdemarF
How would that work for caching?
onyx loom
pretty sure spigot already caches the config values if thats what u mean
steel heart
I usually have some static final fields as keys then map then with their corresponding values from a file and cache that into a map
timber oak
pretty sure spigot already caches the config values if thats what u mean
Oh rly? So when I do Main#getConfig() I won't pull it directly from the config.yml file every time? It's cached somewhere?
steel heart
Yes
It uses YamlConfiguration which caches its latest invocation of #load() to a LinkedHashMap
iirc
Well FileConfiguration does
But yeah same shit
timber oak
Oh yeah, so it actually only updates when running the methods, ic
as in saveDefaultConfig() or smth
steel heart
Yes my bad I meant load up there but save also does some io stuff
timber oak
Not sure what the difference between Option#copyDefaults() and JavaPlugin#saveDefaultConfig() is tho
I always just use both
steel heart
Tbf Idk nevertheless
Never touches the former and was long time I ref the latter
@obtuse gale we need your wisdom 
steel heart
Oh
Still don’t know, the Bukkit config is kinda meh
And I am used Configurate hehe
timber oak
Worth looking into ig
steel heart
It’s worth learning (:
timber oak
Does it have a docs / wiki?
steel heart
Yeeeeeeeehaw
old wyvern
They missed an opportunity to name it configur8
steel heart
🥲
old wyvern
🥲
cinder flare
MF-CFG gang
onyx loom
they missed an opportunity to call it Konfigurate 🙂
cinder flare
hey do you guys think I can link my WSL mariadb database with one on a separate linux drive that I dual boot lmao
cinder flare
like?
cinder flare
i mean is there really a difference tho
like to me
they both work basically the same right
sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start vs docker start mysql or whatevs
old wyvern
Easier to cleanup? idk
cinder flare
hmmm
cinder flare
can i get two dockers to share the same persistent storage
cause that could solve my problem
old wyvern
Yes
cinder flare
😮
onyx loom
ok but can u run docker inside docker
stuck harbor
probably
stuck harbor
stonccs
onyx loom
pog
timber oak
And I am used Configurate hehe
Can you send a link? Cant find it
obtuse gale
GitHub SpongePowered/Configurate
timber oak
tyty
rugged oyster
wtf
compact perchBOT
dark fjord
Anyone know why some players are getting this error when trying to connect to my server? Paper 1.17.1. No plugins, a few Vanilla-Tweaks data packs. [03:45:45 INFO]: com.mojang.authlib.GameProfile@4c4cd544[id=<null>,name=Enthur,properties={},legacy=false] (/71.84.172.36:62682) lost connection: Disconnected
forest pecan
Try removing the data packs and seeing if anything is better
frigid badge
can i get two dockers to share the same persistent storage
yes volumes
stray depot
I want add 1 second delay in PlayerInteractEvent .But when i add it ,it is not work.
Bukkit.getScheduler().scheduleSyncDelayedTask(this.plugin, new Runnable() {
@Override
public void run() {
playercooldown.remove(player);
}
},20L);
Can someone help me?
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
steel heart
When using gradle is it advised to use the term subproject instead of module.
last mural
I have a problem with deluxemenu, when I put for example %player% or something related to placeholderapi those papi do not work
static zealot
normal talon
Now I need to figure out how to get the type of block that is falling and what kind of mob etx
😁
half harness
https://i.imgur.com/eCHLqnE.png oh static variables should be uppercase in c#? O_o o_O
half harness
Normal fields should be too
o wait really?
but then how do you tell the difference from a class-
prisma wave
you don't
half harness
prisma wave
just saying it how it is
without an ide or context you can't really tell the difference
half harness
ripp
prisma wave
consider using F# instead, which has actual nice conventions :)
prisma wave
Guess what F# compiles to
prisma wave
😄
prisma wave
your loss
half harness
why does this remind me of haskell
prisma wave
well
They share some history
Both of them were inspired by ML (and OCaml)
But f# isn't as complicated or academic
stuck harbor
consider using F# instead, which has actual nice conventions :)
;)
forest pecan
hot hull
Die.
old wyvern
https://i.imgur.com/eCHLqnE.png oh static variables should be uppercase in c#? O...
if its a private field _what is fine as well, youd then define a property to actually access it
stuck harbor
nice
steel heart
@old wyvern I need your help
old wyvern
Yes?
steel heart
What’s the difference between adapter and bridge pattern
Find them very similar
In fact identical imo but they’re not probably
lunar cypress
Adapter adopts one interface and delegates to an implementation with a different interface
Bridge decouples different hierarchies, i.e. when you have "2 directions" in which a class can vary
steel heart
Ah
lunar cypress
Bridge is a hard one for me too
steel heart
Feels a lot better not being alone on that one then lol but yeah trying to learn these patterns lol
lunar cypress
One example would be a "Weapon" interface with the implementations Hammer, Axe and Sword
And now you also want all of these with different enchantments
as own classes
They fit nowhere in your current hierarchy
old wyvern
What’s the difference between adapter and bridge pattern
You use an adapter to adapt another interface to an interface that you actually require. In the bridge pattern you bridge an interface with with another layer of interface-interplementations so you can mix-and-match behaviour to get more variant behaviour from less number of classes
cinder flare
man I thought we were talking about like vm network orientations lol
i barely know how those work and now it's all generic 😦
LuxPerms 
steel heart
Oo thx Johnny and Yugi 
steel heart
LuxPerms, the successor of LuckPerms
old wyvern
Fork incoming???
obtuse gale
LuckPex
cinder flare
LuckyGroupMan
old wyvern
LuckyPermys
forest pecan
BetterPerms
lunar cypress
LuckPerms ?? more like SuckPerms amirite 😂 🤣
cinder flare
DeluxePerms
forest pecan
PermBan
cinder flare
FrozenPerms 🥶
old wyvern
😔
forest pecan
HotPerms
old wyvern
sPerms
cinder flare
yes volumes
okay but can I have two database dockers share the same volume
lunar cypress
yes
cinder flare
so the scenario is: I dual boot windows and linux
obtuse gale
cringe
cinder flare
can I have one docker container on each, and when I start it, it uses the shared sql data
Obviously both will never be running at the same time
winter iron
cinder flare
But that way I can share a dev mysql server between operating systems
old wyvern
Apple bad!
forest pecan
Apple for rich people
forest pecan
And we aren’t all Bill Gates
forest pecan
I actually hate safari lol
forest pecan
Spoon feeding in #development be like
obtuse gale
and this was with --depth 1 🥲
old wyvern
I dont think that would come to 1.2 gb
forest pecan
Hm true
cinder flare
Whelp boys, looks like I'm updating to Windows 10 Insider Build 20211
Gotta mount my linux drive 🥲
frigid badge
okay but can I have two database dockers share the same volume
yes
cinder flare
ugh i can't believe I'm not allowed to get the preview build that allows drive mounting because my pc doesn't "qualify" for windows 11
oh sick
stuck harbor
i can't get windows 11 sadge
cinder flare
intel 8th gen processors or higher 🥲
stuck harbor
rip
distant sun
Lol
cinder flare
i need my goddamn mounting!!!
im looking to see if I can do it with plain old hyperv now
steel heart
Bruh this guy keeps talking about records should have public final fields instead of accessors like 
steel heart
Ye
Oh I forgot no need to invoke a method if the field is public
Damn he outsmarted me 
cinder flare
lmao
obtuse gale
Bruh this guy keeps talking about records should have public final fields instea...
that's dumb
you can't use method references on fields
cinder flare
i mean if you're using them as data classes
obtuse gale
the method is literally named exactly like the field lmao
cinder flare
not gonna lie, don't know how records work
obtuse gale
a record class is a record class with record components
distant sun
a record class is a record class with record components
How to say nothing with words :))
obtuse gale
a record class is not your regular class with getters
distant sun
Yea just a data holder
steel heart
that's dumb
Yeah, I mean accessors are just superior n just so much more flexibility and usefulness hehe
obtuse gale
They are kinda like enums
you can't extend java.lang.Enum and enum classes implicitly do so
same with records
There are special reflection methods for both of those too
old wyvern
Yes but they compile down to classes just like the same
obtuse gale
Well but there are markers saying "hey jvm this is a record class, i'm a special boy"
steel heart
Yeah has to be that
obtuse gale
if you decompile a classfile it won't be a regular class with getters, tostring hashcode and equals
old wyvern
Well but there are markers saying "hey jvm this is a record class, i'm a special...
oh new instructions?
steel heart
Believe so
old wyvern
Id doubt that
steel heart
I think it uses invoke dynamic for the generated toString and hashCode and equals not sure
But heard someone say that
So might not be new ones
old wyvern
Why would it use invoke dynamic?
it should be invoke virtual since its part of Object
steel heart
obtuse gale
huh this is interesting
obtuse gale
This is the decompiled code according to fernflower
public record StupidRecord(String hehehaha) {
public StupidRecord(String hehehaha) {
this.hehehaha = hehehaha;
}
public String hehehaha() {
return this.hehehaha;
}
}
but the bytecode has methodhandles stuff?
steel heart
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61208493/do-java-records-actually-save-memory-over-a-similar-class-declaration-or-are-the oo found this
obtuse gale
I wonder what makes records special from other classes for one to not be able to reflectively modify the fields
besides... y'know.. being a record
lmfao
obtuse gale
yes
steel heart
Oo
steel heart
This is the decompiled code according to fernflower
```java
public record Stupid...
Also the field hehehahehehehe or whatever u named it to u doob is inferred right?
obtuse gale
what?
obtuse gale
it's the record component
steel heart
It’s inferred then hmm
obtuse gale
oh?
old wyvern
steel heart
Can we have a normal class that extends Record? :0
obtuse gale
the compiler may prevent it
it does, like with enum
and I take like 99% of what I said back
wow
this is why you don't trust what you read but try things yourself
old wyvern
lol
steel heart
🥲
obtuse gale
lmfao
onyx loom
intriguing
obtuse gale
Oh wow. Sim cards run java
Did you know that 3 billion devices run Java?
old wyvern
😂
obtuse gale
angry Star noises
half harness
😂
old wyvern
Any idea which html purifier github uses?
obtuse gale
the best one 
old wyvern
🌞
obtuse gale
this one seems to be pretty popular https://github.com/ezyang/htmlpurifier..... give that it's literally the first one showing up on google lmfao
half harness
https://i.imgur.com/RjloHer.gif
unity is not being very nice to me 😭
|| i just had to create a new text object since copy and paste didn't work :c ||
old wyvern
No like im looking for the one github is specifically using 🥲 , like for the about page in a user's profile
cinder flare
>*angry Star noises*
grrrrr
old wyvern
I guess worth a shot
any attempts to google that just returns every html purifier on github
🥴
cinder flare
the bytecode for ```java
record CityRecord(Integer id, String name) {}
cinder flare
is
public java.lang.String toString();
Code:
0: aload_0
1: invokedynamic #19, 0 // InvokeDynamic #0:toString:(Ledu/forty/bits/records/equals/CityRecord;)Ljava/lang/String;
6: areturn
public final int hashCode();
Code:
0: aload_0
1: invokedynamic #23, 0 // InvokeDynamic #0:hashCode:(Ledu/forty/bits/records/equals/CityRecord;)I
6: ireturn
public final boolean equals(java.lang.Object);
Code:
0: aload_0
1: aload_1
2: invokedynamic #27, 0 // InvokeDynamic #0:equals:(Ledu/forty/bits/records/equals/CityRecord;Ljava/lang/Object;)Z
7: ireturn```makes the same constructor and accessor bytecode tho
obtuse gale
AH
compact perchBOT
cinder flare
that is the bytecode for a normal class like that lol
cinder flare
I think it uses invoke dynamic for the generated toString and hashCode and equal...
you were correct 🙂
obtuse gale
this all makes me wonder how the jvm prevents reflective field modification on records but not other classes with final fields too
but anything past java 9 regarding is so damn weird with jigsaw n all
obtuse gale
MethodHandles API 🙏
obtuse gale
is
```java
public java.lang.String toString();
Code:
0: aload_0
...
I wonder then if that's an "artifact" of how javap works?
Like, does it run a jvm and prints the defined class?
How does javap work 🥲
obtuse gale
This is the decompiled code according to fernflower
```java
public record Stupid...
this also caught my attention too
- the fact that
Record::toString,::hashCodeand::equalsare allabstract
cinder flare
yea haha
obtuse gale
🥲
cinder flare
ah I see
obtuse gale
e.g. javap SomeClass.class
it can also take a shit load of flags, all described in javap --help ofc
obtuse gale
me explaining why you can't make it an enum constant because enum classes can't extend other classes
https://tenor.com/view/ibai-yo-explicando-meme-gif-18360117
forest pecan
My guy was literally storing like
INSTANCE(MainPluginClass.getInstance())
im not kidding lol
and his enum would take in a JavaPlugin or smthing
its so funny
then hes like, "its easier to get!"
old wyvern
oh lord
obtuse gale
what the fuck
man at that point just suggest using JavaPlugin.getPlugin or whatever lmfao
forest pecan
exactly
old wyvern
😌
obtuse gale
man I love how IJ highlights the method calls that may throw an exception when the cursor is standing on the catch keyword or on an exception in the throws declarations
frail glade
Catch it faster.
frail glade
Slimjar release when
old wyvern
By night, gonna wait 2 more hours for someone from the gradle slack to reply
Otherwise Ill just use the runtime resolver to generate an initial resolution file at compile time
old wyvern
yea they reply once in a blue moon
obtuse gale
lmao yea
old wyvern
Last time I asked, they replied after like 3 days
And I never noticed till like day before yesterday
omg
someone replied
YES
ok what
obtuse gale
LMAO
old wyvern
it says replied yesterday 11 am, but I swear i checked at midnight and it wasnt there
frail glade
Smh my head.
old wyvern
and... I dont think the answer is what I was asking for... 🥶
or wait no
it does
it points to an issue
frail glade
So basically an issue that is going no-where.
obtuse gale
opened this issue on Jun 20, 2019
old wyvern
cinder flare
ah I have it for my work
old wyvern
I see
humble silo
Anyone wanna explain to me why this happens?
(yes i know the return can be lifted and the try can be set into the function)
I just have no idea sometimes... (also before i was returning null on the catch, dont worry)
Ok am i dumb?
inline fun <reified E> PersistenceManager.query(key: Any): E? = try {
getObjectById(E::class.java, key)
} catch (_: JDOException) {
null
}
Should this not return the object if it is found and if an exception is thrown return null?
hot hull
Uh, I believe so
humble silo
Uh, I believe so
well i look in the debugger as shown above and it goes to the null part everytime
hot hull
So exception every time
humble silo
this couldnt possible be a kotlin bug or smth?
old wyvern
Are you sure its actually going into the catch block?
humble silo
ok well it works as expected just with a basic test:
fun main() {
println(doThis())
}
fun doThis(): String? = try {
"Something cool"
} catch (_: Exception) {
null
}
well thats what the debugger is saying, but then when it returns i get a instance of the class I want to recieve with all null values besides the primary key
Its really weird
but the getObjectById is perfectly fine
Ill send a video, one second
old wyvern
ok
humble silo
I dont know anymore
now its working
though the debugger says its doing the same thign as before
Im just gonna go cry in a corner somewhere
old wyvern
Probably some issue with kotlin's generated bytecode
might have generated wrong line number meta
these issues seem slightly common xD
cinder flare
i stg picking a DE is the hardest decision there is to make on linux
old wyvern
plasma is nice
cinder flare
you know what I want
I want literally exactly what I have on Windows visually
but with a linux backend
that's the dream
old wyvern
What specifically from windows? Because a lot look similar enough
old wyvern
welp
cinder flare
but like, the translucent taskbars
and the clock/date display
every DE gets that wrong
old wyvern
Wasnt there a distro that tried to mimic windows, maybe check out what de it used?
cinder flare
ReactOS? they mimic like windows xp lmao
cinder flare
old wyvern
It was mostly just a skin I think
cinder flare
i just want exactly that
humble silo
these issues seem slightly common xD
I generally dont have issues with kotlin itself, but dont get me started on gradle.. If i have some time at some point i might just switch to maven
cinder flare
I've literally never had problems with gradle dude
and it compiles way faster than maven
cinder flare
ah jigsaw
humble silo
How about JDO?
old wyvern
This isnt gradle's issue
humble silo
have you used JDO?
old wyvern
kotlin just has some quicks here and there
humble silo
like WAY better
old wyvern
Dude
humble silo
convince me otherwise
cinder flare
I have not used jigsaw or JDO
old wyvern
Neither of the build systems affect this
cinder flare
but everything else I've made has been awesome
old wyvern
They have absolutely nothing to do with them
humble silo
....
old wyvern
I've had similar issues with maven as well
cinder flare
yeah like what's the problem?
distant sun
offtopic - has anyone used testproject.io?
old wyvern
Its just minor issues with the kotlin compiler here and there, just report an issue
humble silo
so many issues with split packages and gradle has pretty much no tools to resolve them
and the modularity thing they have just straight up doest work as far as i can tell
cinder flare
you don't know how to use gradle modules?
humble silo
It patches modules during compile time but not runtime
cinder flare
no wonder you're having a hard time lmao
humble silo
you don't know how to use gradle modules?
java modules
obtuse gale
I've never had a single problem with jigsaw with gradle
humble silo
with kotlin?
cinder flare
this sounds like user error
old wyvern
you dont need to deal with gradle directly for jpms
You create the module file
like normal
humble silo
and then when you run into split packages?
obtuse gale
Yeah gradle doesn't really care about the module descriptor lol
humble silo
if you are using a library that doesnt quite support jpms
humble silo
and then when you run into split packages?
?
like spring JPA
just doesnt work with it
all the rest of their libraries do
obtuse gale
and then when you run into split packages?
I'm not really sure what that is tbh, what do you mean by that?
obtuse gale
It isn't, no
humble silo
but in old libraries it kinda worked
but then in java 9 it just throws when it happens
so you can get around it
and then have to patch the modules, which gradle really doest do well at all
and most of the time the answer is just to exclude some dependency, which sucks
cinder flare
this sounds like a case for relocation
old wyvern
patch them how?
humble silo
Im not going through some java 8 library and fixing all their issues
cinder flare
can you not just relocate one of them?
old wyvern
Im asking what patching would do here?
humble silo
patch them how?
well in gradle you are suppose to be able to use modularity.patchModule("module name", "jar name")
humble silo
Im asking what `patching` would do here?
it would add the --patch-module thingy to javac or however they compile
which would then combine the two modules you specify into one
humble silo
can you not just relocate one of them?
wdym? Like decompile both and combine them together?
humble silo
with gradle libraries?
I mean that would cause issues for every other thing that uses them
like jakarta websockets, i dont use it but jetty does, so if i renamed those packages alot of jetty websockets wouldnt work
cinder flare
like you'd change an entire tree
so you'd change all of jetty
and all its dependencies
humble silo
that sounds pretty hard, then i would have to have a lib folder with static jars right?
and if i wanted to update versions?
humble silo
is this using the shadow jar plugin?
cinder flare
yeah
humble silo
that doesnt work with gradle 7
old wyvern
it does
humble silo
last i checked*
cinder flare
uh yes it does
old wyvern
use 7
cinder flare
i literally use it every day
old wyvern
the latest version
humble silo
can you send the github of it?
cinder flare
it's version 7.0
humble silo
I thought it only officially supported 6?
old wyvern
cinder flare
homie
old wyvern
I thought it only officially supported 6?
No
cinder flare
go to the top of your gradle file
old wyvern
7.0.0
humble silo
old wyvern
Ignore that
cinder flare
humble silo
https://i.imgur.com/NvhS3Ys.png
Ima blame them for not redoing their readme then
cinder flare
ima blame you for not looking at the latest release version
humble silo
that works
old wyvern
Why blame that developer instead of making a pr?
cinder flare
lol
obtuse gale
It's easier to complain
humble silo
becuase thats alot of work
old wyvern
🌞
old wyvern
lol
cinder flare
i'm still waiting on that pr for fixing using minimize, kotlin, shadowjar 7.0, and gradle 7.1 together to be accepted
obtuse gale
the what now?
old wyvern
which ?
cinder flare
humble silo
isnt asm on 9 now?
obtuse gale
Oh that stuff yeah I remember
cinder flare
actually records, not kotlin
obtuse gale
Well I never minimize so idrc l m a o
cinder flare
yeah i kinda stopped too
humble silo
Ok well thank you star for the shadow jar stuff, i think that will fix alot of gradle being the worst build tool
cinder flare
yeah turns out you were ignoring the really obvious solution to all your classpath problems lmao
humble silo
yeah turns out you were ignoring the really obvious solution to all your classpa...
ftr last time i tried shadow jar it literally threw about gradle 7 not being supported
so i have an excuse
obtuse gale
Pebkac
cinder flare
cause you didn't update the shadowjar version too numnuts
humble silo
nah i had the latest
cinder flare
obviously not
obtuse gale
X doubt
cinder flare
your version checking skills are obviously not up to par
humble silo
I took it directly from the gradle site when i tried it
cinder flare
so you swapped to gradle 7 like, a week after it came out? lmao
humble silo
well idk, that doesnt seem likely either
im probably just dumb, but i like to blame it on others 🤢
cinder flare
