From your example you already have a custom class ItemWrapper lol
#dev-general
ocean quartz
obtuse gale
SerializableItemStack extends ItemStack :^)
hurr durr bukkit api should not be implemented by plugins
half harness
From your example you already have a custom class `ItemWrapper` lol
data class ItemWrapper (
val material: Material, val amount: Int, val potionType: PotionType? = null,
val potionAmplifier: Int = 1, val enchants: List<Enchantment> = listOf()
)
```but now to use ur lib i'd need to make *another* class, something like this: ```kt
data class ItemWrapperForConfig (
var material: String = "" /* Errors if I don't have a default value? */, var amount: Int = 1, var potionType: String? = null,
var potionAmplifier: Int = 1, var enchants: List<String> = listOf()
)
distant sun
Man not spain is so small lol
ocean quartz
It's pretty tiny
distant sun
Did spain run out of disk and not spain become a thing? :))
distant sun
They didnt had enough claim blocks
stuck harbor
what about andorra?
distant sun
And someone stole their land
onyx loom
is not spain bigger than uk ๐ค
distant sun
Probably not
ocean quartz
```kt
data class ItemWrapper (
val material: Material, val amount: Int, val ...
Just add default values to the first one
half harness
Just add default values to the first one
but then how would ur lib serialize and deserialize Material? and PotionType? and also Enchantment
ocean quartz
Did spain run out of disk and not spain become a thing? :))
Not spain was spain quite a few times in the history of the country
ocean quartz
but then how would ur lib serialize and deserialize `Material`? and `PotionType`...
If they are enums it'll just get the value
half harness
Enchantment is not an enum
ocean quartz
Enchantment should be a bean, if bukkit did it well
distant sun
@ocean quartz ic
half harness
and #toString would output Enchantment[minecraft:fire_protection, PROTECTION_FIRE], which isn't exactly user friendly
ocean quartz
Which i won't put my hopes too high
ocean quartz
is not spain bigger than uk ๐ค
Probably about the same size as england ish
half harness
what is a bean exactly
ocean quartz
what is a bean exactly
onyx loom
baked bean
ocean quartz
what is a bean exactly
What you'd call a data class or POJO
obtuse gale
@half harness you can probably get away with the Registry.ENCHANTMENT and use the (proper) namedspaced keys for it (e.g. the one you just showed minecraft:fire_protection)
half harness
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ocean quartz
Record would be a bean too i think
ocean quartz
Does records not have setter? I was sure it had
ocean quartz
Oh that's sad
steel heart
You canโt have additional fields also
obtuse gale
stateless
steel heart
So kinda sadge
obtuse gale
You canโt have additional fields also
i mean.. that's the point
everything that represents the record is what goes in it
steel heart
Indeed
ocean quartz
Dkim, just try it, see if it breaks
obtuse gale
https://i.imgur.com/2nHBIcn.png https://i.imgur.com/G5pVt2m.png
what version is that?
1.ancient.shit?
half harness
yes
obtuse gale
smh
steel heart
Though wouldnโt be too bad from my pov 
static zealot
can someone recommend me a small or easy to use particle lib? I just need a couple particle effects. like a tornado or some shit
that could work on 1.12 ๐ฅฒ
ocean quartz
I think Nicole has it
static zealot
couldn't find it
steel heart
mf-particles
static zealot
know playerparticles is nice but it has its own thing. no special libs
ocean quartz
@prisma wave Idk when you sent it or if it was you, but i had it open and just looked at it, this is cursed lmao
static zealot
mf-particles
too many ideas xD
prisma wave
<@!266973575225933824> Idk when you sent it or if it was you, but i had it open ...
it's uh... not great
ocean quartz
Huh i guess she doesn't, i thought that was a thing 
prisma wave
the interop doesn't look very nice
ocean quartz
Too many things on my plate ๐ฉ
If anyone wants to join the monopoly and make it sure ๐
prisma wave
why is getLogger an annotation?!??
steel heart
If it was in Java Matt
distant sun
What monopoly?
ocean quartz
If it was in Java Matt
I mean the libs are mostly Java, except the core
ocean quartz
What monopoly?
My libs xD
BM calls it a monopoly
distant sun
Lol
steel heart
Mf gui was in kotlin?
ocean quartz
Nope, Java
steel heart
YAY
old wyvern
My libs xD
BM calls it a monopoly
Clearly a play to dominate the market!!
distant sun
I wanted to use guava on a lib and that shit has 3mb ??
old wyvern
Config, Commands, Guis
distant sun
All I needed is X.tryParse :(
ocean quartz
Don't forget messages ๐
old wyvern
๐
old wyvern
Soon to take over kyori???!
merry gate
Hello, does someone know the equation to skip 2 slots after every 7 slots in an gui? I got this, but this doesnt work: java for (int i = 0; i < 54; i++) { if ((i + 1) % 7 == 0) { i++; } }
static zealot
so no small lib for that?
ocean quartz
Nah i don't really want to compete, i just like having simple things to use
@onyx loom ๐ฅฒ
distant sun
@merry gate if you want to fill borders, you can keep a list of these or if slot % 9 == 0 and then can just do something for that slot and slot - 1 (right side)
old wyvern
Nah i don't really want to compete, i just like having simple things to use
triumph-build when??
old wyvern
No more impure gradle bs
distant sun
And HOPE they will accept
ocean quartz
`triumph-build` when??
Soonโข๏ธ
old wyvern
triumph-build should support only pure functions ๐
ocean quartz
I'll try working on it soon Gaby, needed some changes first but couldn't find the time for them
half harness
triumph-kotlin ๐
steel heart
obtuse gale
(triumph clojure) ๐
distant sun
Triumph-pt
half harness
I have 35 items in my shop.. alone, (more in upgrades shop), this is gonna be a pain ๐ญ
i wonder if anyone would change the configuration anyways tho
ocean quartz
please make `triumph-elara`
Lmao
ocean quartz
@onyx loom Yeah as I thought, a plugin cannot provide the details to implement another plugin because by that time no plugin is added yet ๐ฅฒ
static zealot
good
ocean quartz
So shadow("version") not gonna happen
static zealot
btw did anyone find out how to make gradle 7.0 or 7.0.1 default ?
bcz my projects still start with 6.8 ๐ฅฒ
old wyvern
Cant you abuse apply for that matt?
steel heart
Matt why not fork shadowjar and create mattjar
distant sun
Dont give him more work!!
ocean quartz
Cant you abuse `apply` for that matt?
Not at the time of the plugin applying, i could in theory add it later but this doesn't work
distant sun
time to make an iij plugin
old wyvern
Not at the time of the plugin applying, i could in theory add it later but this ...
that doesnt?
oh right
true
ocean quartz
Nope, since it'll check for shadow before the plugin is applied
old wyvern
yea
ocean quartz
Sadge
merry gate
<@513664776069447680> if you want to fill borders, you can keep a list of these ...
Thanks ^^
old wyvern
@ocean quartz Shall I make that gradle plugin change to have the dependency be added with implementation slimjar("version")?
ocean quartz
Ah yeah, go for it, sorry i've been inactive on the project
old wyvern
yea thats fine
obtuse gale
doesn't jda have slash cmds already?
ocean quartz
Yeah
steel heart
It has buttons also now
distant sun
isn't there a limited amount of commands that a bot can register per guild?
lunar cypress
there is
distant sun
also, I dont think I want slash commands for everything
lunar cypress
no one forces you to use them
distant sun
ik johnny but I was asking for a commands lib and em mentioned slash commands xd
steel heart
I believe cloud got some nice framework classes for it
lunar cypress
Well that's the most obvious thing one could assume you were talking about
distant sun
let me rephrase that then
old wyvern
any up to date jda lib?
triumph-cmds
distant sun
"is there an up to data lib for legacy jda commands and maybe menu builders?"
old wyvern
๐
distant sun
probably menus can be done with buttons
steel heart
old wyvern
Why does that logo give ms-word text-art vibes
ocean quartz
Lmao
distant sun
do I want to use this cloud shit?
frail glade
I've personally been considering moving from ACF to it lately.
I've started using it in a few projects and it works great.
obtuse gale
"this cloud shit"
frail glade
I mean they all do different things. Cloud integrates Brig and some other stuff.
I'd say they have their own use-cases.
hallow crane
and matt's integrates ACF
frail glade
If you want something simplistic and to the point, Matt or ACF. I'd say Matt's because it's still actively being worked on whereas ACF is a little behind.
If you need to do more advanced stuff, cloud is probably your best bet.
frail glade
Yeah I used to use my own before I started using ACF a few years ago.
hallow crane
Is there a good message library anyone knows of?
onyx loom
mf-msg 
hallow crane
I developed my own to use adventure and it has a fromConfigurationSection method with a custom config section parser
old wyvern
triumph-message
hallow crane
that's markdown
old wyvern
hallow crane
"markdown messages for bukkit"
old wyvern
It implements markdown to get the same features
onyx loom
what are u after then
hallow crane
Well I am after the ability to do something from a config section
ig markdown would work
but also it needs to have placeholderapi support
old wyvern
This is a library that allows you to parse simple Markdown messages (based on Discord's) into a JSON message or string.
It lets to convert it to a adventure component I think
Not completely sure on that tho
Might want to ask matt
half harness
but also it needs to have placeholderapi support
i mean the library itself doesn't
hallow crane
I mean't placeholder not placeholderapi
onyx loom
its all built around the components i think yugi
hallow crane
I wanna be able to do message.replaceArgs("arg1", "replacement")
old wyvern
its all built around the components i think yugi
I see
half harness
you can do whateverMethodMfMsgDoes(config.getString("a").replace("%epic%", "epic"))
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
obtuse gale
wat
half harness
wdym
obtuse gale
i think so
hallow crane
is it bungee compatible too?
obtuse gale
i think it "compiles" to adventure components
half harness
bungee?
hallow crane
ah so it is then
distant sun
opening urls and stuff
yes
obtuse gale
and with them you also have the text replacement api
hallow crane
and how long into the future will matt's framework stuff be maintained?
I just want to be sure I am switching to something that won't go dead next year
onyx loom
if he stops maintaining, i will take over ๐
hallow crane
okay cool
onyx loom
kali-msg
kali-cmds
hehe
old wyvern
Matt's been maintaining libraries for a long time now
I'd doubt he would drop support any time soon
distant sun
if he doesn't we will just go to not spain and make him continue
onyx loom
this
old wyvern
xD
ocean quartz
and matt's integrates ACF
half harness
https://i.imgur.com/LEbJUVU.png huiadjsnk this is just one item for my bedwars shop
15 lines
๐ฉ
distant sun
row column ๐คข
distant sun
that reminds me of chest commands with x-pos and y-pos
half harness
ocean quartz
and matt's integrates ACF
What does that even mean? Lol
hallow crane
I read that somewhere
distant sun
What does that even mean? Lol
that you should stop being lazy and work
ocean quartz
I read that somewhere
You did not lol
old wyvern
matt's is a fork of acf
ocean quartz
that you should stop being lazy and work
I should ๐
ocean quartz
matt's is a fork of acf
It isn't xD
old wyvern
oh you rewrote it?
distant sun
talking about forks, imma make a spoon repo and see how you will guys fork that ๐ค
hallow crane
I read somewhere it was a fork
ocean quartz
It never was, i made it from scratch cuz i didn't like ACF's system
distant sun
you can just open the code and see it has nothing in common
old wyvern
ohh
hallow crane
MF is a command annotation framework for Spigot plugins based on ACF. This framework is meant to be simpler to use and more customizable. With this, your parameters are the command's arguments!
distant sun
or just believe what random people say lol
ocean quartz
based
old wyvern
I remember you telling me it was a fork as well for some reason
obtuse gale
baded
hallow crane
based
old wyvern
Mandela Effect
hallow crane
based means from
old wyvern
distant sun
no
ocean quartz
It definitely doesn't
hallow crane
based means derived
distant sun
based can also means "inspired"
obtuse gale
^
hallow crane
Based is a slang term that originally meant to be addicted to crack cocaine
old wyvern
base-d
obtuse gale
distant sun
but yeah, usually based is used as "derived"
but no, mf is definitely not a fork of acf
hallow crane
I usually say my iphone is based on ios
android phones are based on linux or something
frail glade
Okay but Android is an OS and iPhone is not an OS.
distant sun
lmao yako
ocean quartz
hallow crane
or android phones are based on android
distant sun
wrong usage of 'based'
old wyvern
Android (the OS) just uses the linux kernal
hallow crane
multiple definitions
distant sun
Android (the OS) just uses the linux kernal
big brain yugi
hallow crane
you could also say Linux is based on Unix
ocean quartz
Literally the only thing in common is the fact that it used annotations
hallow crane
even though linux doesn't use unix
old wyvern
Apple is based on Bananas
hallow crane
apple is based on money
old wyvern
Money is based on Economy
obtuse gale
economy is based
hallow crane
economy is based on monke
old wyvern
distant sun
when the fuck will jetbrains fix the groovy gradle implementation smh
frail glade
?
distant sun
you know ... warnings everywhere and shit
ocean quartz
KTS perfect highlights, better syntax, no warnings, completion ๐
distant sun
fuck you too matt, right after jetbrains
frail glade
Converter when
ocean quartz
Sounds like a fun thing to write ๐ฎ
distant sun
https://i.imgur.com/6MgsWZ8.png working on a little thing ๐
nimble wigeon
I need to ask an expโd Dev a Question about the price of a possible plugin idea, not sure how hard it would be nor how much it would cost.
half harness
๐ฅฒ this is what happens when i upgrade from kotlin 1.4 -> 1.5
cinder flare
wow almost like they changed the method name
astral python
Hi guys, do you know any free mc server hosting service that allows me to edit the plugins folder? I don't have enough RAM to have minecraft 1.17 and intelliJ running at the same time and I need to practice a little with spigot api 
dense dew
idk what about oracle thing? idk much about it but i heard about it
this should be without any limits ig
astral python
lmao that's too good to be true 24gbRAM? need to check that
half harness
https://paste.helpch.at/yejuqoxije.yaml
finally done adding menu items to a config file
|| im not sure if it was worth the time ๐ฉ ||
dense dew
gg
half harness
๐คฆ while reading the file in this one part i put "item-category" instead of config.getString("item-category") aaaaaaaa
took me like 15 minutes to realize it
and it broke my entire shop
but now its fixed so now its all configurable!!! ๐
sly sonnet
Fucking disgusting
what do you suggest to use instead?
json?
in plain text documents?
old wyvern
elon
quiet depot
what do you suggest to use instead?
depends on what ur using it for
sly sonnet
plugin configuration
quiet depot
yaml is the best choice because that's what people are used to
quiet depot
idk
hot hull
Hocon, toml, legit so many other better alternatives
quiet depot
maybe like hocon or toml or somethiung
hot hull
If the user is too dumb to figure it out, then oh well he doesn't need to use the plugin
quiet depot
but i'm of the opinion there's no point at all using these alternative formats because users are usually dumb and can only just grasp yaml
hot hull
Seems like a them issue
cinder flare
Until they join your support discord and have used tabs instead of spaces 
hot hull
And then you kindly tell them to fuck off
obtuse gale
frosty says yaml bad so
Eh doesent matter much
steel heart
I mean toml is kinda just yaml without nesting
And hocon is also just yaml with another syntax (arguably more or less readable depending on the reader)
hot hull
Hocon is 100% better than yaml readability wise, and there's nothing to prove otherwise
steel heart
Why is that?
Itโs not even that big of difference
Some more curly brackets and = instead of :
hot hull
Much more readable
steel heart
What is more readable?
hot hull
Everything my guy
steel heart
Donโt make it hate yaml cause of the sake of it
hot hull
Anyhow, imagine not using an adapter styled design so the user can pick which format they want to use
Where Mythical Creatures tho conclure
steel heart
Iโm on vacation so will have to wait a week :/
hot hull
frosty says yaml bad so
Don't get me wrong, yaml okay for what it is, but I prefer other stuff
hot hull
Iโm on vacation so will have to wait a week :/
Where you vacationing?
steel heart
Uh some Spanish island
hot hull
"some spanish island" lmao
steel heart
Also frosty I am out of ideas for mythologicalcretaures
hot hull
Griffin
hot hull
Phoenix
steel heart
Letโs say 10
hot hull
20 it is
static zealot
Don't get me wrong, yaml okay for what it is, but I prefer other stuff
yaml
steel heart
Anyhow, imagine not using an adapter styled design so the user can pick which fo...
This is the con of hocon arguably also
static zealot
Also frosty I am out of ideas for mythologicalcretaures
pterodactyl? but I guess that's not mythological. nvm.
dragons? xD
hot hull
Your imagination Blitz
steel heart
It will be a spigot client mod for 1.7.10 users
static zealot
Your imagination Blitz
oh ok. ty
@ocean quartz you can't set aliases for subcommands right? I'd need a new method for that and just set the sub command to what I wanted the alias to be
hot hull
Can't you just add another annotation to the same method?
static zealot
Can't you just add another annotation to the same method?
ah nah. it doesn't even compile
the annotation is not repeatable is what it says
but ty tho
its just a debug/test command so I'll just make it the shortest possible xD and not deal with it
distant sun
Im pretty sure you can have aliases for subcommands
static zealot
I mean the annotation does compile when I set it to a method so it might work. will have to try.
I Just remember trying a while ago and it not working but I do have a bad memory
distant sun
static zealot
oh nice. ty
btw there is no video or anything displaying the xparticle animations? bcz that's what I'm making rn xD a command to test all of them but they're a lot xD
distant sun
Idk
eternal compass
golden sun
@fluid crag
[Service] KitsPreview bukkit/spigot plugin for 1.17...
This ad
Quite confusing, are you looking for a DM menu? or.. a plugin that like... is the gui?
DM = DeluxeMenu
half harness
i think he just wants someone to make a DeluxeMenus copy but activate on the specific command arg... that's a lot of work that can be simplified to a plugin that relays the command to another command that actives deluxemenus
idk im confused
fluid crag
half harness
btw, making sure, is /kitspreview an EssentialsX command?
golden sun
I think but I don't know why you can't just do this in DeluxeMenu
half harness
i mean... wouldn't you still have to do it with this plugin request?
or are you asking us to look into EssentialsX's files
golden sun
And if that's the case...
Just a reminder...
Java programmers in the United States make an average $34.92 per hour.
Or you can pay someone to do the DeluxeMenu Configuration
half harness
And if that's the case...
Just a reminder...
```Java programmers in the United S...
this is a commission - if devs charged that much for a commission like this then people would just go to other freelancers
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
golden sun
Yeah but I'm just saying like... don't forget to pay for what they are doing. Under paying isn't good. It's a bad thing going around the MC development market and it's annoying
It's essentially scamming
half harness
#off-topic message i mean.. frosty said 15-20 an hour, which is half of what you said, and piggy still said this
since lets say I worked on a plugin for 15 hours, (about 3-5 days), then I'd have to charge about $450, wheras another dev might charge $10
golden sun
Well yeah obviously. I'm not saying pay $35 an hour. Those are usually trained and developers who know java extremely well.
Most people doing MC development are beginner-average
static zealot
dkim. you're not on piggy's level tho
golden sun
compared to the people working on like hypixel who are insane good. Yes
cinder flare
are you calling me beginner-average ๐
yes, and also: willing to do it for extremely cheap
half harness
dkim. you're not on piggy's level tho
ik
half harness
yes, and also: willing to do it for extremely cheap
๐
im just looking for plugin ideas :)))
i like coding
but at the same time I wouldn't want to code something that already exists
golden sun
I mean I just did web development for very cheap bc I am a beginner.
I charged $1,000 when I probably could have charged somewhere around $2,500-$3,000
half harness
and if I do a commission, then it's a win-win for both the client and myself, I get a plugin idea, and the client gets the plugin!
but if I charge $100 for a plugin that would take about 15 hours, then it'd be a loss-loss, since another dev would probably do it instead for cheaper ๐
golden sun
Something I wanna start doing is updating old open source plugins
half harness
๐ฅฒ
half harness
who?
golden sun
oof
lunar cypress
I was about to ask whether you were sure you had enough life energy for that
half harness
lol
static zealot
I know from experience smh xD
golden sun
do that if you want to live in pain for the rest of your life only
who was this in reference to?
lunar cypress
If yes, your coworkers at any job will love you
static zealot
to your open source old plugins update take
golden sun
ah
golden sun
I mean ๐คทโโ๏ธ just bug fixing. I am demented and like bug fixing
golden sun
pay me plz
half harness
๐ท
half harness
steer?
cinder flare
golden sun
Dave the cow
half harness
๐ฅ
half harness
xD
quiet depot
oink
half harness
๐ฎ
golden sun
it's a pig
half harness
WiredOrange
golden sun
Yeh
golden sun
I have a crazy lady as a neighbor. if you wanna count that
half harness
๐คฃ
golden sun
she cleans her car about everyday, mows her lawn at like 10pm
half harness
piggy are you a crazy lady
golden sun
walks around with a flashlight looking at the grass at like 3 am
half harness
O_o
old wyvern
golden sun
yeh she is crazy
quiet depot
i am not a lady
hot hull
but if I charge $100 for a plugin that would take about 15 hours, then it'd be a...
15 hours * 10$/h
old wyvern
๐ฉ
onyx loom
are u sure
old wyvern
Darn discord embeds
quiet depot
apart from this little furry fuck that runs around and barks at the neighbours
golden sun
and i don't own any animals
well that would be bad bc you are an animal and if an animal owns an animal well... thats another subject
static zealot
and i don't own any animals
that would be called slavery in your case would it not?
half harness
15 hours * 10$/h
you mean 15 hours * 0.50$/h?
golden sun
Okay so he brought up the subject
hot hull
10$ being on the low af side
jovial warren
@prisma wave I think your repo is down again
cinder flare
Mister Britten, down once again
half harness
hi bardy
quiet depot
@prisma wave good chance your repo is down
old wyvern
yes @prisma wave
What blitz, bardy and the pig said
half harness
@Admins
There's people spam pinging โผ๏ธ
jovial warren
I should probably setup reposilite on the Krypton server at this point and use that lol
quiet depot
le krypton server
static zealot
@Admins
There's people spam pinging โผ๏ธ
where?
quiet depot
u using oracle vps question mark
old wyvern
๐
static zealot
I should probably setup reposilite on the Krypton server at this point and use t...
just get oracle vps smh
jovial warren
no lol
old wyvern
sad blitz
half harness
at least i think i saw it
cinder flare
dude bm is probably gonna freak out when he sees like 8 pings
golden sun
lmao
half harness
๐คฃ
old wyvern
dude bm is probably gonna freak out when he sees like 8 pings
oh @prisma wave dont panic
golden sun
it was the pigs fault
half harness
@prisma wave I believe that your repository is down, just wanted to let you know ๐ฅฐ
golden sun
AYE WAIT
PiggyPiglet
We gotta chat. When I was 8, I had the swine flu. That is your fault. You made me miss Halloween.
quiet depot
i have no regrets
cinder flare
maybe he was saving you without your knowledge
static zealot
AYE WAIT
PiggyPiglet
We gotta chat. When I was 8, I had the swine flu. That is y...
who's halloween? and does this flue just make you miss people?
cinder flare
maybe you were destined to be murdered that halloween and he spared you
golden sun
๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
old wyvern
AYE WAIT
PiggyPiglet
We gotta chat. When I was 8, I had the swine flu. That is y...
What if that was only a less effective variant and now you're immune?
golden sun
I mean if I had perished, then I wouldn't be swimming in student loans tho
so ๐คทโโ๏ธ
old wyvern
True
golden sun
Oh right, duh.. Forgot to do that
old wyvern
Sell yourself, ez
golden sun
Let me get in my Koenigsegg and go do that
old wyvern
... ||(oh yeah I just used the ..., deal with it...)||
ok....
.....
jovial warren
@quiet depot you got any idea how to set up Reposilite with Docker btw? or should I just not bother using Docker?
old wyvern
reposilite has it on its readme
quiet depot
don't u just run the docker compose file
lunar cypress
just run it 4Head
jovial warren
oh is there a compose file somewhere?
old wyvern
jovial warren
ah yes, I got it
static zealot
quiet depot
what's a koenigsegg
static zealot
its an egg
lunar cypress
car manufacturer
quiet depot
i see
old wyvern
koenigseggs
lunar cypress
I only know this because of Need for Speed
quiet depot
is that a movie
static zealot
and a game
lunar cypress
this man
old wyvern
๐
old wyvern
Are you joking? xD
onyx loom
:bruh:
static zealot
onyx loom
NFS has been around for like 20 years lol
static zealot
only? I swear its been around for longer. but what do I Know.. I'm only 19.
cinder flare
speed for need
old wyvern
Racing game
quiet depot
oh thought it was drug related
static zealot
or movie
old wyvern
Theres only 1 movie
quiet depot
so frankly i am very excited
static zealot
need for speed was one of the first games I've ever played on a PC but never got into it that much
quiet depot
because mr valve said they're going to have every windows game work on linux
by the time steamdeck arrives
golden sun
HA
golden sun
funny
static zealot
t
golden sun
That won't happen
static zealot
what's steamdeck?
cinder flare
they actually are working a lot on porting anticheats
cinder flare
EAC is already pretty close from the rumors
old wyvern
I can ditch windows then!!
lunar cypress
same
cinder flare
right
static zealot
I can ditch windows then!!
I already did
quiet depot
i basically only need 1 game to work on linux before I can uninstall windows
cinder flare
good thing I just setup gentoo ayy
static zealot
I do miss it tho
lunar cypress
KEKWait valorant
static zealot
bcz I only play minecraft now
quiet depot
and there's a VERY good chance that game will work before others
static zealot
quiet depot
because it's like one of the most popular games on steam
cinder flare
because it's like one of the most popular games on steam
you play Farming Sim 19 too?!?!?
quiet depot
rust
golden sun
They also claim that other game launchers will work such as Origin and Epic
cinder flare
actually I think farming sim already works
old wyvern
KEKWait valorant
cinder flare
hell eyah
quiet depot
I don't think they claimed those launchers specifically..
because I don't believe epic works on linux
(who would willingly use epic anyway)
cinder flare
i mean really anticheats are the only thing holding us back at this point
static zealot
ah yes. xD good one
golden sun
If I can play MSFS on this... xD
old wyvern
xD
quiet depot
ok that'd be really good
static zealot
I also hide my csgo under an adobe illustartor icon
golden sun
(who would willingly use epic anyway)
I have a few games on there that I use
prisma wave
what the fuck
static zealot
lmao
quiet depot
I'd love to have the xbox launcher thing on linux
cinder flare
once we get like EAC and a few other big anticheats, I think we will actually have a good majority
obtuse gale
what the fuck
yes
cinder flare
what the fuck
I KNEW IT
static zealot
what the fuck
star called it xD
golden sun
what the fuck
lmaooo
old wyvern
(who would willingly use epic anyway)
Why wouldnt people?
prisma wave
aaaaa
old wyvern
Free games everyweek
static zealot
that's another 4 pings lmaoo
golden sun
I turned off the ping**
quiet depot
i'm an epic hater
golden sun
bc I'm nice
cinder flare
i didn't
cinder flare
i'm an epic hater
agreed
old wyvern
I turned off the pig**
static zealot
(who would willingly use epic anyway)
I DO. And did for months now
golden sun
i'm an epic hater
what are you an epic hater of?
static zealot
so why wouldn't I use it xd
old wyvern
i'm an epic hater
Why tho?
cinder flare
epic as a company is terrible
golden sun
why do you have to be such a disappointment
idk why not.
static zealot
man hate it or love it, the free games are great
cinder flare
their exclusives are exactly the problem with consoles
golden sun
epic as a company is terrible
better than origin
quiet depot
because it's not steam lol
cinder flare
and they are bringing it to the pc landscape
quiet depot
that's why I hate it
old wyvern
Unreal engine + Free games, absolute love
onyx loom
the free games are the only thing epic has going for them
golden sun
that's a long url
cinder flare
better than origin
meh I don't care that much honestly, especially since EA games are on game pass
cinder flare
the free games are the only thing epic has going for them
exactly
they're a terrible company, they make a terrible app store, and a terrible game
old wyvern
So many free games
quiet depot
aren't the free games just random indie games
static zealot
the free games are the only thing epic has going for them
its enough to get me to use their store tho. and as soon as they'll stop giving them I won't use it. but that doesn't mean I hate it
I have more games on epic store than on steam ..
and I Played more of those
as well
well actually no
old wyvern
aren't the free games just random indie games
static zealot
I Played more on steam
golden sun
I have a few games on epic bc they don't get released on steam
old wyvern
GTA5 was free a few mnths back
cinder flare
I refuse to download the Epic Launcher
static zealot
exactly
cinder flare
i will wait patiently for their shitty exclusivity to end
static zealot
also
golden sun
I refuse to download the Epic Launcher
what if they have a game that is on there and not on steam
frail glade
Interesting. This was the first week they had a set of free games I already had from another week they put them out free.
static zealot
assassin creeds game
cinder flare
what if they have a game that is on there and not on steam
I will wait
they haven't had anything worth it to me
static zealot
??
golden sun
I see
static zealot
Batman series, Control
golden sun
said the blind man
static zealot
GTA5
lunar cypress
aren't the free games just random indie games
ah yes, a true appreciator of the art
old wyvern
Control
cinder flare
never heard of control
static zealot
whatttT???/
golden sun
who doesn't own GTA 5 at this point ngl...
golden sun
Never heard of control either
static zealot
but its cool.
old wyvern
golden sun
ugh... videos
old wyvern
so it can't be that good
its pretty good
onyx loom
control is a pretty big game
static zealot
its great man. if you have to much money then sure. dk but I don't. so for me its great
cinder flare
well maybe I will look into it once it comes to a not-garbage launcher
old wyvern
I played it on my friend's PC like an year or so ago
lunar cypress
but besides, anyone who brushes off anything that doesn't have EA or Ubisoft on its cover as "random indie games" doesn't know what they're talking about anyway
old wyvern
xD
static zealot
quiet depot
i mean that shouldn't have been what clued you in lol
i basically said I hate epic just for the sake of it
golden sun
meh, control looks ok
static zealot
ok xD
onyx loom
well maybe I will look into it once it comes to a not-garbage launcher
downloading games using EGS ๐ท
quiet depot
anyway
back to the original point
I don't think you can even run epic games on linux
cinder flare
nah probs not
quiet depot
and I don't think proton is trying to fix that
cinder flare
but the day EAC is ported to linux is a day of glorious celebration
90% of the broken games on linux I want to play are using EAC
static zealot
but the day EAC is ported to linux is a day of glorious celebration
eac? East african community?
onyx loom
easy
cinder flare
eac? East african community?
that's the one
static zealot
oh
prisma wave
epic games
cinder flare
EAC IS OWNED BY EPIC
prisma wave
where games are epicness
cinder flare
WHAT
onyx loom
epic gamer
onyx loom
yes
cinder flare
well shit
quiet depot
epic bought the east african community in 2018
cinder flare
i now have even more reason to hate them
old wyvern
epic bought the east african community in 2018
Would that be considered attempt on slavery?
prisma wave
๐ฅถ
golden sun
dang...
And all of this really has to do with development to be in the #dev-general
old wyvern
๐
onyx loom
speaking of slavery
onyx loom
jamaica is trying to get compensation from the uk government or smth
static zealot
#dev-general is the off-topic for developers
golden sun
Lmao
quiet depot
Would that be considered attempt on slavery?
epic refused to comment on this
static zealot
so you shouldn't be here @golden sun xD
golden sun
๐ฎ
old wyvern
dang...
And all of this really has to do with development to be in the <#695431...
Well the company provides one of the most well-known game engine
half harness
xD
golden sun
I develop
old wyvern
epic refused to comment on this
๐ฎ
cinder flare
Well the company provides one of the most well-known game engine
don't tell me they own unity too
static zealot
speaking of them
old wyvern
don't tell me they own unity too
No, Only unreal
cinder flare
ah hmmm
golden sun
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/frankentree-1-9-1-17.78267/
See, published developer
cinder flare
i really hate them
golden sun
xD
cinder flare
like a lot more now
old wyvern
lmao why
quiet depot
what the fuck is that
golden sun
Shush
quiet depot
wait I think I made a plugin like this
static zealot
well didn't they make both?
cinder flare
static zealot
or did they buy them?
cinder flare
China
old wyvern
they own EAC and Unreal?
uh?
golden sun
It's a GoatSim inspired plugin. Use bugs to make a released software
ocean quartz
***China***
They own basically everything
cinder flare
and for being epic store
lunar cypress
mfw the us owns something
cinder flare
and for being owned by tencent
old wyvern
he hates epic store for owning unreal engine and the anti cheat
As in he doesnt like both of those?
cinder flare
no i like both of those
cinder flare
and i am very disappointed to learn that epic is involved with them
static zealot
and that's how US works
if someone you don't like owns something you like
you hate them even more
old wyvern
lmao
static zealot
not hate them less
quiet depot
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/frankentree-1-9-1-17.78267/
See, published de...
not quite the same but I made a plugin somewhat like it
static zealot
bcz they own and develop cool things?
cinder flare
unreal's not that bad actually tho
onyx loom
tim sweeney: linux bad !!!
cinder flare
bcz they own and develop cool things?
owning cool things is not a quality trait
old wyvern
Unreal is supposedly better than Unity, by a large fold
static zealot
It is
cinder flare
Unreal is supposedly better than Unity, by a large fold
i mean it all depends on what you're measuring
golden sun
you hate them even more
Not true
A lot of people don't like Jeff Bezos but really like amazon
old wyvern
It also has a pretty good visual scripting language as an alternative to cpp
cinder flare
ease-of-use especially for a lot of people
old wyvern
It support c# as well I think, not sure
onyx loom
id say its pretty obvious just by looking at the games that come out using unreal
golden sun
https://github.com/GiansCode/FunkyTrees/blob/master/src/main/resources/config.ym...
Is this your GitHub?
quiet depot
no
onyx loom
altho, im unsure of what games use unity tbh
golden sun
Oh
cinder flare
i mean if you're looking at like graphics quality kali
old wyvern
ease-of-use especially for a lot of people
Id say its pretty user friendly at its current point
onyx loom
yeah
golden sun
Ah
static zealot
<https://github.com/PiggyPiglet>
kinda trash. don't go there. you might lose your last brain cells
cinder flare
golden sun
Oh wait I seriously thought you changed your name and profile picture bc of the convo we were having. Apparently not
cinder flare
that's the graph
golden sun
That is a graph indeed
static zealot
that's the graph
for?
old wyvern
graph of what?
cinder flare
so there are certainly pros and cons
game engine market share?
what else would that graph be
static zealot
ugh that's bcz every small game developer uses unity?
cinder flare
percent of grapes in a bushel?
old wyvern
Oh thats just because Unity has a lot of stupid random bs games made on it
golden sun
that's the graph
It's not just a graph... Star said it was THE Graph
cinder flare
Oh thats just because Unity has a lot of stupid random bs games made on it
i mean did you ever ask why
onyx loom
can we get a graph of the market share for AAA games ๐
old wyvern
It lowers the bar a bit too much to the point where it ruins its own name
quiet depot
what about source engine hmmm
golden sun
can we get a graph of the market share for AAA games ๐
no
onyx loom
lol
cinder flare
you guys are trying to look at the top margin of games
static zealot
Oh thats just because Unity has a lot of stupid random bs games made on it
yeah. also did u know that unreal is used to make scenes in movies and such? for example the mandalorian had scenes made in unreal engine
onyx loom
well yes
cinder flare
that's not representative of what's the better engine
onyx loom
because obviously big budget games good
golden sun
Didn't Unreal 5 just come out or something
cinder flare
plenty of amazing games have been made in both
onyx loom
idk if its came out
golden sun
I mean the FrostBite engine is nutty awesome
cinder flare
im just saying that the only quality to look at shouldn't be graphics
static zealot
@quiet depot was this intentional? bcz if it was I salute you
golden sun
im just saying that the only quality to look at shouldn't be graphics
Disagree
old wyvern
never said unity is bad, I have jsut heard from people who have used unreal that its much better to use
golden sun
It's all about graphics
static zealot
im just saying that the only quality to look at shouldn't be graphics
well we're talking about graphics now
cinder flare
unity's ease-of-use, low barrier to entry, and cheap model make it a good engine for a lot of people
quiet depot
not intentional, I actually have 103
old wyvern
A good engine isnt neccessarily the one with the lowest entry barrier
quiet depot
but I might keep it as 69
static zealot
just to make sure public ones are 69 xd
cinder flare
A good engine isnt neccessarily the one with the lowest entry barrier
A good engine isn't necessarily the one with the best graphics
People weigh things differently
quiet depot
ok guys you're looking at the wrong metrics
cinder flare
There's a lot to consider
old wyvern
As i said, graphics is not the only thing Im talking about
quiet depot
the only metrics that matters is whether you can
i) bhop
ii) surf on slopes
in which case, source obviously wins
static zealot
man I Love farming xp while not even being involved in the conversation
old wyvern
Its scripting engine is very powerful
cinder flare
Barrier to entry isn't the only thing I'm talking about
golden sun
Humans have 5 senses.. correct?
Smell, Touch, Sight, Hearing, and Taste.
Video games remove 3 of the 5
Leaves you with 2.
You need to make sure the engine has AMAZING sight and sound. You need to be able make such amazing advances with just these two to make an awesome experience
cinder flare
I'm sure Unity has a good scripting engine considering how far its come
old wyvern
Barrier to entry isn't the only thing I'm talking about
What else are you talking about then?
cinder flare
I mean everything else
old wyvern
I'm sure Unity has a good scripting engine considering how far its come
It has no general visual scripting engine atm
cinder flare
Like we're looking at all facets of engines here
and you guys are like "unreal look pretty it better"
old wyvern
Its not just us
quiet depot
i saw some tech thing that can simulate like 19 million tastes
cinder flare
i saw some tech thing that can simulate like 19 million tastes
put it in a vive right now
golden sun
pretty picture = good game
static zealot
19 million tastes?
cinder flare
i'll buy it
old wyvern
Pretty much anyone from my course dept will say unreal is better than unity
cinder flare
huh I mean all right
golden sun
i saw some tech thing that can simulate like 19 million tastes
can it replicate the taste of raw pig meat?
o.o
quiet depot
maybe
old wyvern
I personally havent used it, but a lot of my friends do
quiet depot
next problem is texture
old wyvern
Currently Im just using Unity for my assignments
golden sun
I mean in wall-e everything was milkshakes so... not hard if we do that
old wyvern
i saw some tech thing that can simulate like 19 million tastes
๐ฎ
quiet depot
idk what ur talking about
golden sun
i didn't like that message he deleted
i didn't see anything
static zealot
can't wait for that piggy.
old wyvern
lmao
static zealot
xD
cinder flare
๐
golden sun
Damn, you faked that message really fast
cinder flare
LET'S NOT DO THAT
cinder flare
Damn, you faked that message really fast
im a wizard at inspect element what can I say
static zealot
yeah really
nah. it was just inspect element.
golden sun
Ah ah i see