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frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Author of PermissionsEx.

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Ahh

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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i could go on and on and on lol

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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wtf does 2008 mean then 🥲

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Ask dkim

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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lmao

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:32 PM

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He started venturing into the wonderful world of functional programming by using Haskell in 2008

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 7:32 PM

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ah I see

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:32 PM

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And for that wonderful memory, it forever became a part of his name

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as a signature of the legacy of sir simon himself

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Lol yeah zml is kinda everywhere

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:32 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/respect-davis-boreanaz-salute-uniform-gif-11216021

Tenor

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Oh

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Why does this man look like gordon ramsay

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 7:33 PM

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What

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 7:33 PM

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i don't really think he does

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 7:33 PM

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looks more like john cena

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 7:34 PM

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That's a lie, because I can see this guy in the gif.

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:34 PM

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old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:34 PM

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onyx loom looks more like john cena

oh true

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 7:34 PM

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Looks like yugi

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:34 PM

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😳

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 7:34 PM

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PES_Blush

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:34 PM

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Alternate reality Yugi

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 7:35 PM

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I watched your anime already, so when will you create an onlyfans?

prisma wave Jul 6, 2021, 7:36 PM

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it's a trap

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 7:36 PM

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you know what else is a trap?

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wink wink

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:36 PM

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What makes you think I dont already have one? 😏

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 7:37 PM

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onlyfans.com/vshnv

prisma wave Jul 6, 2021, 7:37 PM

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obtuse gale you know what else is a trap?

yes

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😏

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🥴

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🤤

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 7:38 PM

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this image scares me

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/420538367986499585/862014073448431626/unknown.png

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 7:38 PM

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Eclipse!

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 7:40 PM

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obtuse gale onlyfans.com/vshnv

🥶

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 7:54 PM

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https://github.com/kennytv/list-of-shame damn

GitHub

kennytv/list-of-shame

The List Of Shame, made by random people on the internet - kennytv/list-of-shame

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This list just went all in

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 7:55 PM

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yes it did

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Imagine taking time to make that lol

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 7:56 PM

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I love how they just mentioned a spigot user there as well xD

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 7:59 PM

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ViaVersion
kennytv

hold on a second....

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Makes it more authentic if you add yourself ;p

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:00 PM

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humble 🥲

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:01 PM

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man ClearLagg is like a garbage collector but in game

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I never thought about it like that

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:01 PM

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lmao this https://github.com/EssentialsX/Website/pull/44

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 8:01 PM

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Lmao

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:01 PM

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obtuse gale lmao this <https://github.com/EssentialsX/Website/pull/44>

is that like the dev of Mohist or something lmao

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Anyone looking for something to work on?

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Wasnt added by him xD

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https://github.com/kennytv/list-of-shame/commit/f54831a3d3d2e6ddb1e482e7ccbc8f9e10671a55

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:02 PM

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frail glade Anyone looking for something to work on?

Yes

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:02 PM

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frail glade Anyone looking for something to work on?

👀

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whatchu got

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:02 PM

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i wanna work on triumph gui kotlin 😩

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:02 PM

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onyx loom i wanna work on triumph gui kotlin 😩

xD

lavish sandal Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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@ocean quartz any rough idea how long it takes to get the channel access?

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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lavish sandal <@!180369172046413824> any rough idea how long it takes to get the channel acces...

420 days

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obviously

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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69 hours

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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So EssX 2.19 is going to be releasing soon. I plan to deprecate / remove baltop placeholders from Vault because the only economy plugin I know properly using it is essentials. Now, the other option is to leave the broken crap in Vault expansion and just move the placeholders over to the EssX expansion. So, I need someone to update the EssX expansion to handle the baltop for the new EssX version.

lavish sandal Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Noice xD

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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They have a brand new baltop API so it should be fairly straightforward.

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Star

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U got this

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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hello

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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star the expansion boi

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:03 PM

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yeah I did ultra-upgrade the Essentials expansion a few days ago

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Basically just want the same vault baltop placeholders but over in Essentials now and use the new API to get the information you need.

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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frail glade So EssX 2.19 is going to be releasing soon. I plan to deprecate / remove baltop ...

pretty sure in the latest expansion they're broken even if you enable them in config

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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is the EssX api documented anywhere?

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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people have been using 1.5.2

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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oh yeah they dropped an announcement that they revamped the whole EssX API

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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or I gotta just look at the code

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:05 PM

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yeah just roam around the sources jar in the ide

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Sounds like a fawe move

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:05 PM

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aight bet bet

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Holy shit

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Paladins make you install so much extra shit

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Lmao

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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😫

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Holy shit

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Virtual Clustrophobia

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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That’s not much

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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I installed the game on D

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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256GB hard drive 🥲

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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eek

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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cinder flare 256GB hard drive 🥲

m2

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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that's how big my flash drive is

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:07 PM

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250gb in 2021 🥶

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:07 PM

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old wyvern m2

512GB m2 gang

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:07 PM

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lol

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:07 PM

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😎

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:07 PM

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onyx loom 250gb in 2021 🥶

😔

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The fuckin game installed its prerequisites on C

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how nice of them

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love it

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:08 PM

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man i hate when they install random shit and u dont get the option where to put it

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 8:08 PM

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ikr

tall needle Jul 6, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Can somone help with placeholder api vault? shopgui giving error

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for placeholder api vault error

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:08 PM

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#placeholder-api probably

tall needle Jul 6, 2021, 8:08 PM

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ou

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im blind

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 8:13 PM

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lavish sandal <@!180369172046413824> any rough idea how long it takes to get the channel acces...

You'll probably have to wait till the database gets update, sorry

lavish sandal Jul 6, 2021, 8:13 PM

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ocean quartz You'll probably have to wait till the database gets update, sorry

Ok, cheers

hearty crag Jul 6, 2021, 8:20 PM

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mmmh here I can ask for suggestions for my plugins

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:23 PM

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hey @frail glade where's the Essentials baltop API?

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I'm not seeing it in their api.Economy.java file

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 8:24 PM

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https://github.com/EssentialsX/Essentials/blob/2.x/Essentials/src/main/java/net/essentialsx/api/v2/services/BalanceTop.java

GitHub

EssentialsX/Essentials

The essential plugin suite for Minecraft servers. Contribute to EssentialsX/Essentials development by creating an account on GitHub.

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:25 PM

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oh damn v2

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is that the 2.19 dev build one?

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 8:25 PM

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Yes

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But it's been merged into master for like 2 months now.

hearty crag Jul 6, 2021, 8:26 PM

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hearty crag mmmh here I can ask for suggestions for my plugins

for example, should I put my plugins up for sale? put them free? I was currently thinking of selling them on spigot and putting a link to the free download in the description, but I'm still not sure

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:26 PM

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where do I acquire an instance of BalanceTop

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nvm Essentials#getBalanceTop exists

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 8:28 PM

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hearty crag for example, should I put my plugins up for sale? put them free? I was currently...

Yeah that's why i would do, open source free download but paid plugin

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:35 PM

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return baltopCache.values().toArray(new BalanceTop.Entry[0])[Ints.tryParse(identifier)].getBalance().toString();```

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pure Java

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hard at work

prisma wave Jul 6, 2021, 8:35 PM

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wtf

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:35 PM

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yea I'm gonna expand it

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kinda fun to make a one liner tho

quasi shoal Jul 6, 2021, 8:36 PM

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But organisation is everything 🥺

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:36 PM

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so does fixed mean 2 decimal places?

quasi shoal Jul 6, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Wdym fixed? You mean arraylist sizes?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:39 PM

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        if (identifier.startsWith("top_balance_fixed_")) {
            String[] args = identifier.split("top_balance_fixed_");

            if (args.length > 1) {
                return toLong(getTopBalance(getInt(args[1])));
            }

            return "0";
        }```

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PAPI baltop expansion

quasi shoal Jul 6, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Oh no idea

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:40 PM

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very helpful 🙃

quasi shoal Jul 6, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Probably something to do with positions

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Yes all the baltop placeholders are position based

quasi shoal Jul 6, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Looks cool though, what you trying to make/ modify?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Moving the baltop placeholders from the Vault expansion to the Essentials expansion

prisma wave Jul 6, 2021, 8:42 PM

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why

quasi shoal Jul 6, 2021, 8:42 PM

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What’s the difference between them both

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:42 PM

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no other plugin does it correctly

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and Glare told me to

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so I don't ask questions 🙂

quasi shoal Jul 6, 2021, 8:43 PM

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I actually didn’t start messing with creating placeholders until the other day

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Thought it was complicated but turned out to be so simple lol

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:44 PM

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cinder flare no other plugin does it correctly

classic

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 8:52 PM

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cinder flare ```java return baltopCache.values().toArray(new BalanceTop.Entry[0])[Ints.tryPar...

The try parse definitely won't be null 🥲

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:52 PM

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                Integer id = Ints.tryParse(identifier);
                if (id == null) {
                    return "Invalid ID";
                }```

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just for you ❤️

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after all, you were the one who showed me Ints.tryParse

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Nice nice ;p

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:55 PM

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https://paste.helpch.at/xibugeduce.m

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how's that lookin bois

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:56 PM

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IT'S A LIE

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:56 PM

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should probably return null instead of "invalid id" imo

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:56 PM

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no because null says it's not a correct placeholder

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when in reality it's an invalid id

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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i mean you are expecting a number

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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and if its null then its not a correct placeholder

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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being a number is part of the syntax

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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^

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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yeah but that doesn't tell them what they did wrong

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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return "learn how to read u doofus"

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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nor does invalid id if ur returning that in 4 different places

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:58 PM

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yes it does

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it's all parsing for an id

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and it's invalid

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the rest of this expansion only returns null if they used a placeholder that doesn't exist

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 8:58 PM

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return null > 🙂

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 8:58 PM

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            try {
                kit = new Kit(kitName, essentials);
            } catch (Exception e) {
                return "Invalid kit name";
            }```

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            if (kitName.startsWith("raw_")) {
                raw = true;
                kitName = kitName.substring(4);

                if (kitName.isEmpty()) {
                    return "Invalid kit name";
                }
            }```

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            try {
                time = kit.getNextUse(user);
            } catch (Exception e) {
                return "-1";
            }```

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now I just need my laughablerectangle to test this for me

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 8:59 PM

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wtf is this big brain shit

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:00 PM

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that's not in my code right

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 9:00 PM

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no

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:00 PM

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also wouldn't that be Long.MIN_VALUE?

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 9:00 PM

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it isn't

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i see it being MIN_VALUE + 1 but.. why

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:03 PM

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I actually was curious so i checked and the tryParse code is pretty similar to Kotlin's toIntOrNull (Kotlin probably copied it)

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:05 PM

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mmm kotlin

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hey someone actually wanna test this for me :)

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 9:10 PM

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ocean quartz I actually was curious so i checked and the tryParse code is pretty similar to K...

i mean tbh it isn't really that hard to parse a string to an int lmao

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just check that each char is within bounds, multiply by radix and add

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:38 PM

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True, still it's very close xD

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:38 PM

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cinder flare hey someone actually wanna test this for me :)

Test what?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:38 PM

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My work on moving the baltop placeholders to the Essentials expansion

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but I don't have a server with an actual economy, or essentials, or other players to be on a baltop...

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Ah me neither

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:40 PM

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oof yikes

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Omg it only took 3 years ;o
https://github.com/PlaceholderAPI/Essentials-Expansion/pull/23

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:42 PM

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yea that's where I got the Ints.tryParse from lmao

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Oh shit ;o

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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the triumph/mf monopoly grows

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Tbh mostly this one xD
Speaking of which i need to stop procrastinating and finish cmds :weary:

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 9:56 PM

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sadge

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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onyx loom the triumph/mf monopoly grows

I just made a plugin and I used mf commands, triumph gui and triumph config so yeah xD

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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u triumph gradle too ☹️

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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what's that?

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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gradle plugin

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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oh

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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nah triumph gradle is too far

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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that one

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nah don't need that one

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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i like my gradle 🙂

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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basically just gives functions for the repos and dependencies of mc stuffs

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its nice

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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my gradle is pretty clean

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Send it

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And we shall see

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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well its not kts so I'll get a lot of hate for that xD

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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repositories {
papi()
paper()
}

dependencies {
paper("1.17")
}
😌

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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but gimme 1 sec

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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No

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Kotlin dsl is big mistake

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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thonking

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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PES_Blush

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Blasphemy!!

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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static zealot well its not kts so I'll get a lot of hate for that xD

fucking yikes

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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steel heart Kotlin dsl is big mistake

im calling the police

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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I never use kotlin dsl

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Such atrocious dsl

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Abysmal

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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cinder flare fucking yikes

xD what did I say

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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what the fuck are you talking about

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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what's so yikes?

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Java dsl is better

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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it works just fine

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never had problems with it

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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groovy poopy

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kotlin dsl is so good

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Nope

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Ur opinion is wrong

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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k. I will still use groovy

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so shh

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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🙂

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Conclure bad

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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static zealot k. I will still use groovy

no bad

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Yaml dsl Gradle when?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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oh no

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Lmfao

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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steel heart Send it

https://paste.helpch.at/kudoxuhevi.cs

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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imagine relocating stuff yikes

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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👍

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Ok it’s 9/10

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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would be better with parentheses

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but not that bad actually

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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cinder flare would be better with parentheses

wat

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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what the relocation part?

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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PES_Why

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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relocate ("", "") ?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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all of the lines basically

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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I hate that actually

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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and implementation

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and compileonyl

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Everything

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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it just makes me more comfy

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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oh idk. I don't like them

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for me this is good

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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you know exactly what's contained in it

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Make it a lisp

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Parentheses suck

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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static zealot oh idk. I don't like them

absolutely disgusting

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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steel heart Parentheses suck

get out

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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It’s an anti pattern

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 PM

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how the fuck

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it's how function calls work

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are you a redpilled haskell user now

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Yes I am uncle Bob martin

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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i have no clue who that is

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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U nob

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But yeah

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Still

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Groovy dsl superior, end of discussion 🙂

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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yikes nope

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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static zealot https://paste.helpch.at/kudoxuhevi.cs

    implementation 'org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-stdlib',
    'com.google.code.gson:gson:2.8.7',
    'dev.triumphteam:triumph-gui:3.0.3',
    'me.mattstudios.utils:matt-framework:1.4.6',
    'me.mattstudios:triumph-config:1.0.5-SNAPSHOT'```
😌

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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onyx loom ``` implementation 'org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-stdlib', 'com.google.cod...

no thank you

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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yes thank u

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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nah

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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I hate that, that's an actual syntax

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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groovy dsl is an abomination on this earth

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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I like it how it is

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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its good

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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probably won't change anything about it

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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no need to keep repeating implementation

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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clarity

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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^^

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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there's a reason everyone does it per

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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cinder flare imagine relocating stuff yikes

wat

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what's your alternative..

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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could always add parens for extra clarity

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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obtuse gale what's your alternative..

probably slimjar

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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obtuse gale what's your alternative..

i don't relocate anything CHDoggoShrugg

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Relocation solves a lot of problems

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PES_Blush

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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oh boy...

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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xD

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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no joke actually what's up with relocating

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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man hate all you want, I like how my build.gradle looks

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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static zealot man hate all you want, I like how my build.gradle looks

yea yea you have bad taste it's whatever

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what's the point of relocation

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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that's a known fact

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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do you know what it's for?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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nope

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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to avoid classpath issues at runtime

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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you're gonna need to elaborate on that one

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Avoiding stuff like linkage errors

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If 2 plugins use the same lib with completely different versions

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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so like if two plugins shade different versions of gson, and the server also has gson... you are up for biiiiig trouble

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huge trouble

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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obtuse gale so like if two plugins shade different versions of gson, and the server also has...

how come shadowjar doesn't relocate everything for you then

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if it's such a necessity

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Like let’s say u use Gson version 1 and spigot uses Gson version 383.8373.0

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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why should it

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Then probably error

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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you should tell it what you want and where you want it

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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because when would you want to not relocate?

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if it causes classpath issues

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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when you are making a standalone app?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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I guess

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but even then who cares

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it doesn't hurt to relocate

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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"but even then" how is shadow supposed to know what to relocate where

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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don't 99% of people use the same pattern

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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like there isn't a standard "move this to that" it can guess

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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it seems there is to me

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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ocean quartz I hate that, that's an actual syntax

You can use brackets just like in kotlin tho

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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at least in minecraft plugins maybe

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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yoo @ocean quartz if u want an idea, u should make a plugin for IJ that creates a .gitignore file every time I Create a new project and adds the .gradle, .idea and build file to it by default xD

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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someone should make an MC-centered shadowjar that relocates for you 🙂

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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implementation(
    'org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-stdlib',
    'com.google.code.gson:gson:2.8.7',
    'dev.triumphteam:triumph-gui:3.0.3',
    'me.mattstudios.utils:matt-framework:1.4.6',
    'me.mattstudios:triumph-config:1.0.5-SNAPSHOT'
)```

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Var args

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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thats valid in groovy dsl as well

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Spigots library loader PES_Blush

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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static zealot yoo <@!180369172046413824> if u want an idea, u should make a plugin for IJ tha...

Minecraft Development Plugin already do that tho p sure

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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old wyvern ```groovy implementation( 'org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-stdlib', 'com.goo...

ok this looks better

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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or maybe it's just Cargo

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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cinder flare Minecraft Development Plugin already do that tho p sure

never seen anything about that

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in it

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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perhaps you want to relocate parts of a library and exclude others, perhaps you want to relocate some libs to some packages and other libs to other packages, who knows

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Probably cargo thing

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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steel heart Spigots library loader <:PES_Blush:661970504667758614> <:PES_Blush:6619705046677...

is there somethign wrong with that

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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distant sun Probably cargo thing

cargo be so good tho

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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obtuse gale perhaps you want to relocate parts of a library and exclude others, perhaps you ...

i don't th o

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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you don't

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but others do

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Matt add it to MF-Gradle

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and I'll use it right now

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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cinder flare cargo be so good tho

what's cargo?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Rust build management

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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cinder flare is there somethign wrong with that

No it’s gold I think?

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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relocation seems to not work for some libraries that use JNI

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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I know there was some issue with it

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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steel heart No it’s gold I think?

I used the bungee one and it works great

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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Idk if it was fixed

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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old wyvern relocation seems to not work for some libraries that use JNI

I will relocate you and then it’s fixed fingerguns

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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beautiful

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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ocean quartz Yaml dsl Gradle when?

Now that i'm on pc

plugins:
  org.jetbrains.kotlin.jvm: "1.5.20"

repositories:
  maven: 
    - "central"
    - "https://repo.mattstudios.me/artifactory/public/"

dependencies:
  implementation:
    - "org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-stdlib"
    - "me.mattstudios.utils:matt-framework:1.4.6"

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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ocean quartz Now that i'm on pc ```yaml plugins: org.jetbrains.kotlin.jvm: "1.5.20" reposi...

god no

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add relocation to MF-Gradle please 🙂

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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static zealot beautiful

😌

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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I dont mind that format for dependencies tbh

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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static zealot yoo <@!180369172046413824> if u want an idea, u should make a plugin for IJ tha...

That's probably a thing already

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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cinder flare add relocation to MF-Gradle please 🙂

Uh wdym?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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yea cargo does it so like

prisma wave Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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static zealot beautiful

HORRID

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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ocean quartz Uh wdym?

these people are telling me that I have to relocate everything

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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old wyvern ```groovy implementation( 'org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-stdlib', 'com.goo...

I also switched to this since I actually like it

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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can you make MF-Gradle auto relocate everything so I don't have to manually

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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😌

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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old wyvern relocation seems to not work for some libraries that use JNI

.

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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i don't know wtf JNI is

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 PM

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I mean it's just a gradle plugin, it's not gonna change anything
Example

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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but just don't relocate those automatically

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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ocean quartz I mean it's just a gradle plugin, it's not gonna change anything Example

can't you make it auto relocate dependencies tho

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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hey matt, just had a thought, are u able to add functions to the plugins block? so u could do like shadow() for the shadow plugin

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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I could, but relocate it to what? Your group id?

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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cinder flare i don't know wtf JNI is

java <---> native interface

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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yea sure

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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cinder flare i don't know wtf JNI is

Java Native Interface

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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group id + ".libs"

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probably best thing to do matt

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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old wyvern Java Native Interface

k so what things do I use that have that

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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that's how I usually do it

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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onyx loom hey matt, just had a thought, are u able to add functions to the plugins block? ...

I think so

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Its the Foreign Function interface for java

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You need JNi for bindings

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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k so what stuff do I use uses that

prisma wave Jul 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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i know another language with a foreign function interface!

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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like give me some examples

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what would I not want to relocate

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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For example we need that for running the v8 engine

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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k so it doesn't affect me is what you're saying

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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static zealot group id + ".libs"

I can try, though i won't make it default, i'll make it a gradle.properties option
Also probably will need a custom configuration, since sometimes you don't really want to relocate everything that you implement

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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prisma wave i know another language with a foreign function interface!

lemme guess. haskell?

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Doesnt "affect" you

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affects others

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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yea but not people using MF-Gradle most lkely

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it's a good assumption to make that a minecraft plugin won't be using JNI

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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v8 is not the sole use for this

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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static zealot lemme guess. haskell?

or maybe c++?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Yugi query me this

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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cinder flare what would I not want to relocate

for instance you have your own api in a separate module, then you need to implementation(project(":api")), then it's gonna fuck up at runtime because it's gonna be relocated

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Are there any dependencies I have used in my plugin that I would not want to relocate?

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Another instance would be clashes in generated relocation names rather than manual ones

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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cinder flare Are there any dependencies I have used in my plugin that I would not want to rel...

idk any of your plugins?

#

Also Im talking about people in general

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not a single person

prisma wave Jul 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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static zealot lemme guess. haskell?

I was thinking of Go or Crystal or pretty much every language ever, but yeah!

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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dependencies {
    compileOnly("org.mariadb.jdbc:mariadb-java-client:2.6.2")
    compileOnly("org.jetbrains:annotations:19.0.0")
    implementation("com.google.inject:guice:5.0.1") {
        exclude("com.google.guava", "guava")
    }
    compileOnly("org.spigotmc:spigot-api:1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
    compileOnly("com.github.MilkBowl:VaultAPI:1.7")
}```

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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xD

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

#

obtuse gale for instance you have your own api in a separate module, then you need to `imple...

same applies for a common module followed by per-platform modules that implementation(project(":common")) it

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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old wyvern not a single person

k well my concern is about me and poeple who make simple minecraft plugins

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I now understand why you don't want to relocate everything

#

but I would like something that relocates all the stuff I need for me 🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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man and you're saying I'm fucking lazy ...

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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You could easily make a utility for that if you really care that much

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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its like 6 lines to relocate most of the stuff. you don't usually relocate more than that

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

#

ASpikaThonk

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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cinder flare but I would like something that relocates all the stuff I need for me 🙂

how is it supposed to know what to relocate, that's the thing

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:17 PM

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obtuse gale how is it supposed to *know what* to relocate, that's the thing

just relocate all my implementations

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if I'm using something that shouldn't be relocated, I can add an annotation or something

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:17 PM

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🥲

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:17 PM

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You can specify exlude and include if needed

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:17 PM

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what's so bad in writing this ```groovy
shadowJar {
minimize()
relocate 'kotlin', 'com.blitzoffline.libs.kotlin'
relocate 'dev.triumphteam.gui', 'com.blitzoffline.libs.gui'
relocate 'me.mattstudios.mf', 'com.blitzoffline.libs.commands'
relocate 'me.mattstudios.config', 'com.blitzoffline.libs.config'
relocate 'com.google.gson', 'com.blitzoffline.libs.gson'

archiveFileName.set("Plugin-${project.version}.jar")

}

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:17 PM

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static zealot man and you're saying I'm fucking lazy ...

when did I say that 🥲

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:17 PM

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cinder flare when did I say that 🥲

idk xD

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:17 PM

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slander I say

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Btw matt did u find the problems with the bugs I reported?

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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I guess i can make something like:

dependencies {
  implementation("group:id:version")
  relocate("group:id:version"
}

Or something like that, using a custom configuration

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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yeah exactly

#

how nice would that be

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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because rn

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Uh

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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static zealot Btw matt did u find the problems with the bugs I reported?

Not yet, sorry, I was very busy today with my procrastination

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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relocations are kinda package based

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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ah no worries. well I Don't really care. will never look at this code again hopefully

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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steel heart relocations are kinda package based

do you notice a pattern in Blitz' relocations

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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but having gui.filler.fill(fillerItem) then gui.setItem(8, fillerItem) is kinda ugly xD

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yeah uncle bob

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groupid+".libs"

#

probably best thing to do

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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mhmm

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Yes star but that’s not bad

#

If he want to change it later having it like that will make it easier in the future

#

Anyways a simple utility would do the trick as Yugi mentioned

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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but wait a second

#

how would you get the name

#

for example kotlin

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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well Matt is making a gradle cleaner, might as well add a little

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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groupid.libs.kotlin

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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I think i know the issue bliz

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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👍

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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steel heart If he want to change it later having it like that will make it easier in the fut...

not sure what you mean boss

#

but matt already said he could do it 🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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well I Was just letting you know. as I said if everything goes right I Won't have to look at this code ever again

#

well just when I'll have to move it to 1.17 but that won't involve the code that much

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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you're not on 1.17 yet?

#

they already released 1.17.1!

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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i know

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I am not moving to 1.17 at all

#

but this ain't made for me

#

I am waiting for 1.18 personally

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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yikers

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

#

?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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1.17 is where it's at just for the java perks

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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I could do

triumph {
  baseRelocationPath = "com.custom.libs" // defaults to `groupid.libs` if not added
}

dependencies {
  relocated("groupid:artifact:version")
}

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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ocean quartz I could do ```kt triumph { baseRelocationPath = "com.custom.libs" // defaults ...

mmmm yes

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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its a survival based server... its not worth moving to 1.17 and then when the cool changes come (terrain) I have to wipe the terrain or something

#

I'll just wait. 1.17 is not even that cool of an update

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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okay but how does it know what to relocate to that package?

#

would it do the dependency group id?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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obtuse gale okay but how does it know *what* to relocate to that package?

any implementations you mark with relocated()

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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cinder flare not sure what you mean boss

What I mean is that you could have smtng like
[ 'blah.lib', 'blah.lib2' ].each { shadowJar.relocate it, 'i.am.blitz' }
But it would be harder to deal with assuming you want to flexibly change target package or whatever you might wanna change in the future

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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idk man. the triumph gradle thing seems a little to much for me

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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cinder flare any implementations you mark with `relocated()`

nono i mean, from which package to relocate to yours

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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obtuse gale okay but how does it know *what* to relocate to that package?

That's a problem for "tomorrow" me

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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ocean quartz That's a problem for "tomorrow" me

true xD

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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the groupid presumably

#

just as Blitz has done

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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that won't work for a lot of libs

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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The issue star is that some projects packages don't match the group id

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

#

for instance gson

#

guava

#

commons

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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My libs on central

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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relocate 'com.google.gson', 'com.blitzoffline.libs.gson'

#

wdym that worked for Blitz

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Just add some per dependency rules

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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star

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

#

hello

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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that is literally what you do nowadays

#

🙃

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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he needs to know what com.google.gson is

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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is that not decipherable

#

just take the package

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and remove the first two dots from it

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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well what about kotlin then?

#

its just kotlin

#

there's also some that only have 1 dot

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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k then it's just kotlin

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

#

and sometimes the group id doesn't match the package

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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why would you only have one dot

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

#

he needs to know the package

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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and why would the groupid not match the package

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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cinder flare why would you only have one dot

idk. people are dumb idk

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

#

what kind of world do we live in

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

#

Star, for example the issue with that is that gson's group is com.google.code.gson and package is com.google.gson, so if i use the group as well, it won't work

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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the whole point of Java's thing

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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ocean quartz Star, for example the issue with that is that gson's group is `com.google.code.g...

hmm well can you just use the package id then

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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cinder flare and why would the groupid not match the package

literally tons of libraries don't do that

#

kotlin included

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

#

Matt Idk why you bother to add this but the shadowJar relocations work excellent by default

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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cinder flare hmm well can you just use the package id then

From where?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

#

old wyvern From where?

i don't fucking know man

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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That's the thing, getting the package

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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lmao

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

#

is that not decipherable

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Not really

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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i just want my life to be easy okay

#

sorry java is a piece of shit language

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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literally not to do with java?

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

#

Yes, Java bad. Haskell good

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

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java's whole packaging system is definitely to do with java

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:26 PM

#

steel heart Matt Idk why you bother to add this but the shadowJar relocations work excellent...

I mean i'm not saying it's a bad thing, sounds fun to do it, i would only do it if i found it to be easy

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

namespaces are a concept beyond java

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

Id say java's toolset is one of the best

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

you literally use them in kotlin

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

someone just make me my .gitignore plugin and then I'll be happy

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

Completely serious on that

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

🥲

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

not compared to Rust 🥲

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

It isn’t trivial because relocations don’t work per dependency

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

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it's even a concept beyond the jvm

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

Java's success is from its immense toolset

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

is it really that hard to do

listOf(
  "...",
  "..."
).forEach { relocate(it, "my.base.package.libs.${it}") }
```?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

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obtuse gale is it really **that hard** to do ```kt listOf( "...", "..." ).forEach { relo...

yes

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

wow

#

lazy

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

yes

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

obtuse gale is it really **that hard** to do ```kt listOf( "...", "..." ).forEach { relo...

setOf fingerguns

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

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I could in theory get the jar's from the dependency, check the packages and add them to the relocation rules, but wouldn't always work, and could be some issues

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Remove the power cable

#

ez

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:28 PM

#

yes

#

they should've envisioned that people would want to put stuff into the jar

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there should've been a built-in system for hiding packages like that

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:28 PM

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What?

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Classloaders

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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wdym what

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Isolated classloaders

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Jars should have a little hidden slot for their libraries

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Star did you have enough sleep today?

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Blame the implementations we use

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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xD

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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ocean quartz I could in theory get the jar's from the dependency, check the packages and add ...

sure for instance guava has two packages under com.google (common and thirdparty), if you base it on "the first package that contains more than one element", then relocate that it would also mess up with for example gson

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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aka spigot/bukkit

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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old wyvern Blame the implementations we use

im just saying

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Man I'm so fucking tired but also so happy and just want to sit here and talk with you guys

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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we could have a little hidden section of the file

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or even just a libs folder

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that all implementations go into

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Libraries from other applications or "plugins" shouldnt pollute our classpath ideally

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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that would literally solve all of these problems

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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old wyvern Libraries from other applications or "plugins" shouldnt pollute our classpath id...

k that's true

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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@static zealot I forgot that the crafting result is also part of the gui 😩

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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obtuse gale sure for instance guava has two packages under `com.google` (common and thirdpar...

Yeah that's the type of issues i meant

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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ocean quartz <@!444552204158763016> I forgot that the crafting result is also part of the gui...

its dispenser. not workbench btw

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Oh

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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static zealot Star did you have enough sleep today?

im having a hard time okay

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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its 8 pretty sure

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Same issue, yeah, it should be 9 not 8

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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i like to question the status quo

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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cinder flare im having a hard time okay

I can see. and I understand as well

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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ocean quartz Same issue, yeah, it should be 9 not 8

oh does it not count from 0?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:30 PM

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but everyone always bullies me 🥲

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:31 PM

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but yeah crafting table should also be 10 then yeah xD

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:31 PM

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cinder flare but everyone always bullies me 🥲

well everyone bullies me as well

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you bullied me today ...

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and I Just got over it

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:31 PM

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cinder flare but everyone always bullies me 🥲

yes you are very bulliable

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:31 PM

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hmm but yeah that's cause groovy is bad

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:31 PM

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<3

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:31 PM

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well after bullying you back

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but that's another story

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:31 PM

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im talking bigger issues here

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like what yugi said about the isolated classloaders

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like come on spigot/paper

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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cinder flare hmm but yeah that's cause groovy is bad

wasn't even talking about that. and also at this point I don't even care. Like for you guys everything's bad then everything's good then its bad again. I suffered enough.

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Paper tries to do that iirc

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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will continue to use groovy bcz I like it

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Do it

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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paper tries to make the plugin classloading prefer classes in its own classpath before resolving to the parent

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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same with kotlin

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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but it's a fucking mess

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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static zealot wasn't even talking about that. and also at this point I don't even care. Like f...

oh well then what were you talking about lol

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

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static zealot oh does it not count from 0?

Yeah 0 < 8 so only 8 slots

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:33 PM

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steel heart Do it

my last 7 days

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xD

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that 1 hour was probably just me not being at my desk lmao

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because at this point I Just have a copy paste of my build.gradle and only change the group id and if there's new versions of some dependnecies

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also now that we're all here

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please someone tell me where the hell do I make gradle 7.1 my default? it still defaults to 6.8

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Bukkit.shutdown()

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:34 PM

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static zealot please someone tell me where the hell do I make gradle 7.1 my default? it still ...

i think that's the minecraft development plugin

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:34 PM

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nah its not

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:34 PM

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./gradlew wrapper --gradle-version 7.1.1 🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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ugh does that make the default 7.1.1 ?

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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no

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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or does that just set it for the current project

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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no it just chagnes the version

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Ic

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yeah

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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static zealot wasn't even talking about that. and also at this point I don't even care. Like f...

No. Its always Java Bad, Haskell Good

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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it will upgrade the wrapper for that project

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I can do that manually lmao xD

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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obtuse gale `./gradlew wrapper --gradle-version 7.1.1` 🙂

I tend to just change the gradle-wrapper.properties in the gradle folder then reload it 🥲

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:36 PM

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lmao

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:36 PM

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yea same

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:37 PM

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does it not do the same thing tho?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:37 PM

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ocean quartz I tend to just change the `gradle-wrapper.properties` in the gradle folder then ...

me too 🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:37 PM

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anyways its pretty annoying having to update it every time 🥲

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:39 PM

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oh my god when was this added 🙏
https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.17/org/bukkit/inventory/ItemStack.html#editMeta(java.util.function.Consumer)

ItemStack (Paper-API 1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT API)

declaration: package: org.bukkit.inventory, class: ItemStack

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:39 PM

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and its not even lazynes bcz I can update it manually. but I Forget every time, so I add shadow jar 7.0.0 and then after I add everything I just get a big error so I say fuck it and leave without even checking what the fuck the error is

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Paper as always doing lord's work

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:40 PM

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oh yeah i saw that the other day emily

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very cool

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:40 PM

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you just chat

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:40 PM

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obtuse gale oh my god when was this added 🙏 https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.17/org/bukk...

was added in 1.16

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:40 PM

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i literally just noticed it lmao

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:40 PM

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obtuse gale you just chat

man I've done a lot of that

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tier 6 gang wooo

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:41 PM

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oh nice

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:41 PM

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Tbh you can get pretty far with just =daily

steel heart Jul 6, 2021, 10:41 PM

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Hopefully paper removed all the unnecessary ItemStack#clone internal invocations like in the equals method lol

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 10:41 PM

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cinder flare but everyone always bullies me 🥲

classic helpchat 😌

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:41 PM

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old wyvern classic helpchat 😌

smiling_face_with_3_tears

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:41 PM

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ocean quartz Tbh you can get pretty far with just `=daily`

and with a little boost 👀

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:42 PM

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I need to boost again 😩

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:42 PM

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when the clock hits midnight EST

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:42 PM

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It resets everyday 5am my time 🥲

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:44 PM

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well I think I'm going to sleep. good night boys

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I hate hCaptcha

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:45 PM

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yeah it's ass lmao

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:45 PM

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static zealot well I think I'm going to sleep. good night boys

tired blitz

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we like to see it

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:45 PM

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🥲

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man one day we should get the entire helpchat gang to execute my masterplan of breaking a captcha

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this is my master plan btw xD #dev-general message

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that's a lot of adds 🥲

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:47 PM

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static zealot that's a lot of adds 🥲

and that's why I turn off the counter 😉

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:47 PM

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hey we got over 10k in this server

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I Consider all of them my friends

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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awww!

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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cinder flare and that's why I turn off the counter 😉

its weird tho. Its youtube music... and I have yt premium. So I see 0 adds anyways

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lmao

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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static zealot its weird tho. Its youtube music... and I have yt premium. So I see 0 adds anywa...

probably tracking stuff

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Why would you get yt premium? 😩

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:48 PM

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cinder flare probably tracking stuff

ah true

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:49 PM

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ocean quartz Why would you get yt premium? 😩

bcz its 1.5 usd

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and is good enough to be wroth that money

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:49 PM

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i just use an adblocker

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it's free

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:49 PM

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That's a coffee you're not getting 😩

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:49 PM

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I get youtube music, no adds at all, background player (which I do need)

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:49 PM

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ocean quartz That's a coffee you're not getting 😩

I don't drink coffee... and its 1.5$ per month smh

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like its crazy cheap for me

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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static zealot I get youtube music, no adds at all, background player (which I do need)

i get background player too for free 🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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good for you

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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static zealot I don't drink coffee... and its 1.5$ per month smh

1.5?

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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distant sun 1.5?

Familly plan

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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ah

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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and got 5 more people to pay with me

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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static zealot like its crazy cheap for me

says the guy who says Romanians can't afford minecraft accounts 🥲

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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cinder flare says the guy who says Romanians can't afford minecraft accounts 🥲

that's 24 fucking euros

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and I can affrord it

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I had 2

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so far

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and am thinking of buying another one

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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that's a few months of youtube premium buddy

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

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mc is expensive ngl :)))

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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cinder flare that's a few months of youtube premium buddy

yeah... 24 lmao

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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distant sun mc is expensive ngl :)))

it's half the price of a triple A game

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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at least from my pov

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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that's why I Don't play triple A games

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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of all the games to be buying

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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lmao

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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it's pretty damn cheap

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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it is. and as I Said. bought 2 accounts so far. but for most people its not the same

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I worked for that monety

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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static zealot I worked for that monety

why don't they 🥲

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:51 PM

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man, you probably get 20 bucks as pocket money but I get those money in like a month :))

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:52 PM

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cinder flare why don't they 🥲

because first of all its illegal to work if you're under 16.

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and when you're 16, minecraft is probably one of your last problems

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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cinder flare it's half the price of a triple A game

with free updates and content being added all the time too

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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and also I Still have back pain after 5 years... so yeah

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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distant sun man, you probably get 20 bucks as pocket money but I get those money in like a m...

i have a job man

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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minecraft is really really really cheap if you take all that into consideration

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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obtuse gale with free updates and content being added all the time too

u wanna bet that a lot of that is only bcz of bedrock?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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what

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it happened way before bedrock even existed

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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bedrock store

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well yeah

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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cinder flare i have a job man

still 😄

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:53 PM

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but bedrock edition is their best source of income

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Star. how much do you make a day?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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uh it depends heavily

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I make $9 an hour

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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per hour then

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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and work like 15 hours a week maybe

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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alr compare that to my max 2$ per hour

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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here it is around 8

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ron

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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yeah ...

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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plus or minus 10 hours

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$2 an hour wtf

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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😢

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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so if you work a normal job of 8 hours per day

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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you guys gotta like... live in a first world country

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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that's 16$ per day

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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romanian is a 3rd world country 🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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and I pay the same fucking price for bread like people from Portugal or Netherlands who get better salaries

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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oh actually

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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sometimes im surprised we dont use sticks to start fire lmao

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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in the netherlands its even cheaper

rotund egret Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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ahaha capitalism good guys... right... haha...

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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and I Know that bcz my brother's there now

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and he gets 12 euros per hour

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...

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bred is fucking cheaper

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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rotund egret ahaha capitalism good guys... right... haha...

at least we have a minimum wage lmao

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:55 PM

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how the fuck does that work?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:56 PM

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but yeah there is defo room for improvement

rotund egret Jul 6, 2021, 10:56 PM

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I mean

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:56 PM

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cinder flare at least we have a minimum wage lmao

we do too. that's 8 ron per hour

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aprox

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:56 PM

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k well a minimum wage that can afford minecraft

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that's my baseline

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:56 PM

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xD

rotund egret Jul 6, 2021, 10:56 PM

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7.25/hr is minecraft money?

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:56 PM

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cinder flare you guys gotta like... live in a first world country

You have to take things in consideration, over here it's 3eur hour minimum wage, but paid holidays, leaves, etc
Free education, free healthcare, etc

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:56 PM

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welcome to ro

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what's free healthcare

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:57 PM

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ocean quartz You have to take things in consideration, over here it's 3eur hour minimum wage,...

can you afford minecraft

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that is my only question

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Ofc lol

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:57 PM

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rotund egret 7.25/hr is minecraft money?

for a teen or someone who doesn't have to pay for everything yeah

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and it's better than romania okay

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:57 PM

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ocean quartz Ofc lol

then you good 🙂

rotund egret Jul 6, 2021, 10:57 PM

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What about an adult whatthefuck

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:57 PM

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distant sun what's free healthcare

we do get that. kinda xD its like at least 6 hours of waiting in line before they even look at you but we do have it xD

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 10:58 PM

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rotund egret What about an adult <:whatthefuck:798617356363890708>

well an adult here is better off than $2/hr in romania

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:58 PM

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static zealot we do get that. kinda xD its like at least 6 hours of waiting in line before the...

"your arm is broke, isn't that obvious? NEXT"

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:58 PM

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xD

rotund egret Jul 6, 2021, 10:58 PM

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What about when you need an address to apply for a job, but you don't have an address because you can't afford a home, because you don't have a job whatthefuck

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 10:59 PM

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just buy a house

rotund egret Jul 6, 2021, 10:59 PM

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My bad, you are correct

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Star, the thing is that kids don't normally have money, they have to ask parents to buy the things, which most of the times parents are too worried about paying bills
For example, we didn't really have much when i was younger and i knew parents had bills, so i was very hesitant to ask for games, even cheap ones like mc, so I can definitely see where Gaby is coming from

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 10:59 PM

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rotund egret What about when you need an address to apply for a job, but you don't have an ad...

oh there's a guy that lives close by and he got sold a dryer (which is basically just 1 room that used to be use for drying clothes and stuff before) and they said he can use it and get an address on it but then they said he can't and he spent like 3 months without being able to even get a job

rotund egret Jul 6, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Yeah man, shit sucks

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:00 PM

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ocean quartz Star, the thing is that kids don't normally have money, they have to ask parents...

hmm I see, I guess in America having chores and stuff or like doing newspaper delivery or stuff on the side for small cash is very common

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:00 PM

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ocean quartz Star, the thing is that kids don't normally have money, they have to ask parents...

yeah. when we were young we wouldn't ask for fucking 24 euros. we would ask for 1-2 rons to get an icecream. and that every few weeks lmao

rotund egret Jul 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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As a termite, I ask for wood and I receive plenty of wood.
Yum

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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I mean the common currency in europe is Bread and that's for a reason...

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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cinder flare hmm I see, I guess in America having chores and stuff or like doing newspaper de...

Well, it depends on where you're from, many places in america aren't much better than here or romania

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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With a 400e salary, having to give your kid 25e for a damn game it is a lot

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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ocean quartz Well, it depends on where you're from, many places in america aren't much better...

damn I guess, but 99% of places I know of are a lot better than romania it seems

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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We can't compare america with a 3rd world country, let's be real 🤣

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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ocean quartz Star, the thing is that kids don't normally have money, they have to ask parents...

same here

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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damn wtf apparently I live in the state with the least poverty rating

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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lemme give you an example. rn we're not doing as bad as we were few years ago but someone called my dad for some insurance and they kept saying its only 50 ron per month or something they stopped only when my father said you know that 50 ron is 14 breads? that's 14 breads per month. then they realised they ain'tt getting anything so they closed the phone lmao

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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I just never got "pocket-money"

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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yeah same. I Only got some in my last year of high school

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but I worked for my money

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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static zealot lemme give you an example. rn we're not doing as bad as we were few years ago bu...

bruh

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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14 breads wtf

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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since I was 12-13 yo

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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cinder flare 14 breads wtf

that's the currency of the poor

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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lmao blitz

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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damn I feel bad for you guys

distant sun Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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yes we count things in breads :)))

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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static zealot that's the currency of the poor

and I Dindn't realise people in all europe know that untill lemmo also mentioned it here one day

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Hes joking

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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I ain't yugi

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ask lemmo

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he knows

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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oh

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wait what

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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that's how my father teached me to see if something is worth the money. see how much bread you can buy with it and see if it gives at least the same value as that bread

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xD

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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xD

onyx loom Jul 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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bread is worthless to me 🙂

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i dont eat it 🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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🥲

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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I remember when i was young and i wanted to buy something, I didn't want to bother parents so i would save my lunch money and not eat so i could get what I wanted

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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For me it was mostly just a "No" if I asked

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

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yeah we usually didn't get pocket money either as I said. I Only got some in my last year of high school

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but I Worked for money

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and almost had to pay more than I ever made lmao

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bcz there was an inspection at the construction site I Was working at and I was 14... xD

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ran away just in time to not get caught

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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blitz an all-star runner now

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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static zealot bcz there was an inspection at the construction site I Was working at and I was ...

xD

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:06 PM

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bcz not only the employer pays but also the employee

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and its like 100k ron

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or something

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...

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I was making 20k ron per month

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Wait what lmao xD, in child labour the child has to pay too?

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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wtf

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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old wyvern Wait what lmao xD, in child labour the child has to pay too?

yeah

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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20k ron

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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I did dish washing on a restaurant when i was 15, never again, it's a nightmare

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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cinder flare 20k ron

aprox yeah

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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lmao who made these rules man

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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what's that, like $6 a month?

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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I was making 11 ron per hour

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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lmfao

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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so almost 3$ per hour

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well better than the minimum per economy

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but that's bcz I wasn't paying any taxes

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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mmm taxes

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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bcz you have to also understand the taxes are like 47%

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:08 PM

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woah wtf

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:08 PM

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so basically those 8 rons my mom makes are actually 16

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but after taxes they're 8

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I Don't know how it works for bigger sums but up to 40k per month that's the amount pretty sure

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Over here it's 23%

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:08 PM

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damn dude

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yeah it's like 20% or something

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:08 PM

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😏

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:08 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/qzta95g.png

Imgur

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that's federal tax

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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0% income tax be like

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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oh maybe that's all tax

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yeah you qualify for exemption if you make less than like $10k a year or something

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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there's a lot of corruption. for example during my last 2 years of highschool I Was supposed to get 200 ron per month or something (I know not a lot but still something) bcz of my grades and they made us sign something, and we actually signed that we got the money... we never did.

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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wtf

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:09 PM

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our president got like 6 or 7 homes

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or something insane

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and they're villas

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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well our previous president wasn't much better 👀

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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😌

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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xd

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Good Ol' Trump

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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we miss you trump 🙏

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xD

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:10 PM

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@serene cave

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The idiot almost made a war in the gulf

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And then came back to resolve it

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like how dumb can a person be

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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America needs to set a maximum age to become president
Look at trump, and also biden he should be in a nursing home lmao

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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also what you guys have to understand ... after communism fell here, the people that were in charge were also communists

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Everyone country needs it

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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our first president after communism fell was comunist

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Old people be ruining the place

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:12 PM

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static zealot our first president after communism fell was comunist

So it never really fell?

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:12 PM

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well its not as bad

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:12 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/che-che-guevara-gif-6248200

Tenor

Che Guevara logo

▶ Play video

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:12 PM

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not even close

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to what my parents went thru

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but still not as good as other ex communist countries

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Imagine if Chine was a democracy

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Maybe we wouldn't have this shit of a pandemic

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😄

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They would actually be able to share the data earlier on

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Instead of beign withheld

ocean quartz Jul 6, 2021, 11:13 PM

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West Taiwan

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Chinese Taipei*

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(:

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(/s btw)

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I most definitely do not want to get into China politics lmao

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:14 PM

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you're already banned from china dw

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Good

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:14 PM

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let's hope we won't dissapear tonight

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bcz no one will miss us

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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🥲

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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well maybe people in #general-plugins

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but that's all xD

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well star is here now so those people would also be fine

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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😦

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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I wouldn't mind disappearing from existence anyway

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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blitz no you're the deluxemenus expert

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:16 PM

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for real tho, if it wasn't for star, when I took my 3-4 days break, #general-plugins would've been dead

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:16 PM

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static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:16 PM

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cinder flare blitz no you're the deluxemenus expert

that's because I wasted way to many hours using it 🥲

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I Fucking hate plugin configuration

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:17 PM

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yeah and you're using that time investment to help peeps!

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:17 PM

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believe me, I could've wasted way less time in it and still be able to help people xD

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you don't understand the 8 hours per day I used to spend making random shit and experimenting

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:18 PM

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If we remove people, people wouldnt have problems

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:18 PM

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7 days per week

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:18 PM

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static zealot I Fucking hate plugin configuration

It's awful

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:18 PM

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🥴

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:18 PM

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also why the fuck is it so hot in here 🥲

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its 21 Celsius (70 fahrenheit) and its 2:19 in the morning

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:19 PM

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Why are you awake

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Lol 21 is nothing

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It's nice

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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i have my ac set to 67

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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frail glade Why are you awake

bcz I'm dumb... I said I was going to sleep 2 hours ago

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Then do it

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You can always wake up earlier

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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frail glade You can always wake up earlier

sad lies

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

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obtuse gale Lol 21 is nothing

well u live on the fucking equator. you're used to this

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but it gets up to 40 during the day 🥲 I sleep with both my windows opened

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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What if sleep is a trailer for death?

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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hmm

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it would be a long ass trailer

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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a sneek peak

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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static zealot well u live on the fucking equator. you're used to this

Lol no

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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static zealot it would be a long ass trailer

absolutely

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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Search "Buenos Aires, Argentina" in Google maps

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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But comparitive to the real deal, pretty minute

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:21 PM

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well guess I am going to sleep. I Do need to go somewhere tomorrow at around 9-10. good night

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Good Night

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Nighty

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Im about to head off too

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ciao

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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I mean the way I see it is no matter what time I go to bed, I still have to get up at 6:30AM so I might as well go to bed earlier.

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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damn Glare you live a sad life

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Ikr

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Start work at 7, finish by 3pm.

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:23 PM

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the best part of university for me is having classes at like noon lmao

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:23 PM

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My new semester will have classes from 6:30 to 4 as well 💀

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:23 PM

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man my brother has it good.. he wakes up at 8-9 am goes to work 6-7 hours a day. maybe 8 sometimes, they eat at restaurants for free (sometimes) and also 2 days ago they went kayaking and he gets paid like 2k euros per month or something like that

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:24 PM

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old wyvern My new semester will have classes from 6:30 to 4 as well 💀

oh god

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:24 PM

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They're squeezing another sem in

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so its continuous classes during that

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:24 PM

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oh god. that sucks. I Don't even know how the classes will be for me at uni

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:24 PM

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What are you going for?

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CS?

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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yeah

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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See, when you get a real job, you get to do some fun stuff.

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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lit

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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frail glade See, when you get a real job, you get to do some fun stuff.

😌

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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old wyvern CS?

well its actually called Informatics but I guess same shit

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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frail glade See, when you get a real job, you get to do some fun stuff.

like waking up early?

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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IT?

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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I'm going to miss my internship I'm doing now because I'm making more money than MC probably will ever made me.

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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ah xD

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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I mean I always get up around 6:30 anyways.

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

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😳

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I rarely get up before like 10 unless I really have to

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Me on the weekends ^

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:26 PM

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I Was going to say: Fun stuff, wake up at 6, go to work at 7, work 10 hours a day, get paid 110 ron, get home at 6, take a shower, eat chill for an hour, sleep, wake up at 6, go to work at 7, work for 10 hours a day....

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also let's not forget you're 14 and you work on a construction site

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that's how my last 3 summers went basically xD

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anyways good night

old wyvern Jul 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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gn

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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frail glade Me on the weekends ^

wait glare where do u live btw?

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like city

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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address too

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zip code maybe

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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oh yeah card number as well

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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yeah 3 digits on the back

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and year and month 🙂

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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and don't forget the 4 digit pin

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and maybe the 3 digits from the back

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oh also full name

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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What the fuck you work 10 hours a day for 110 Ron?

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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frail glade What the fuck you work 10 hours a day for 110 Ron?

minimum wage here is around 8 ron per hour. I Was actually getting good money (11 ron per hour)

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and that was from 13 yo to 17 basically every summer

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Is that decent money for your country?

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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no ...

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xD

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we had this discussion earlier. its bad anyways

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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static zealot and don't forget the 4 digit pin

wtf are you stealing a debit card

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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cinder flare wtf are you stealing a debit card

yes sir

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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who even has those

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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I never had a credit card star.

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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or uses them to buy anything lmao

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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just debit

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same for my entire family

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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debit cards are usually a lot less safe then credit cards

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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why's that?

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Because you can't really report fraud with them

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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usually the companies don't provide loss prevention and stuff

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once the money is out of your account, it's gon e

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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actually for us they do

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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If someone steals it and uses the money you are most likely SOL.

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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at least the bank I have them at

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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It's really common in here to use debit instead of credit

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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oh well maybe romania be different

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Ahh it might vary based on country.

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:29 PM

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everyone here uses debit yeah

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or at least most people

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:30 PM

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but here in 'merica, for me and Glare, credit cards are the ones that provide safety

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:30 PM

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also who the fucks keeps their money on the debit card? as soon as we get the sallary, they're gone lmao

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:30 PM

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you don't have money in your bank account?

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:30 PM

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In fact here all business are obligated to accept payment with debit cards

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:30 PM

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I mean mines tied to my bank account.

static zealot Jul 6, 2021, 11:30 PM

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I have around 1.73 ron on it rn

frail glade Jul 6, 2021, 11:30 PM

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I don't have money on the actual card.

cinder flare Jul 6, 2021, 11:30 PM

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obtuse gale In fact here all business are obligated to accept payment with debit cards

i mean any card reader also does debit cards

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so if a company here takes card, they take both basically

obtuse gale Jul 6, 2021, 11:31 PM

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A lot of businesses here used to be cash only