with a build tool you can set those things
#dev-general
lunar cypress
cinder flare
So if you have Java 16, you can compile target Java 8, then people only need Java 8 to run it
half harness
btw what is the diff between source and target compatibility?
cinder flare
See but if even I'm confused, plenty of companies must be as well
timber oak
Wait, I have java 1.8 as my path for some reason but I always compile with JDK 11 I believe? How does that make sense then?
cinder flare
IJ doesn't necessarily use the Java on your path
You specify it in the settings and in the build tools
timber oak
Ohhh yeah because the JDK includes the environment also right?
cinder flare
Huh
timber oak
So IJ automatically just selects the matching Java version? Or what
cinder flare
Uh it can auto download what version it thinks you need
But you usually want to explicitly set it with each project
timber oak
Yes by setting the JDK right? When making the project
Wait it's because I'm messing up SDK and JDK
The difference
I don't get it
cinder flare
There's not a difference anymore basically
SDK historically only contained the JVM
But nowadays there's hardly a reason to split, so everyone just downloads all the Java stuff including development abilities
See why I just refer to everything as Java lol
timber oak
But like my project has a "Project bytecode version" which is 1.8 for me right now but the SDK is 11, so the SDK just has to be 1.8 or higher?
And which of these versions changes the required Java version for the server host?
cinder flare
So the project bytecode level is the target version
Your "SDK" is what version of Java it is using to compile to that target and it must be higher than it yes
And the server host needs a JVM above or equal to the bytecode version to run it
timber oak
So SDK can be 16 and the server host can still use java 11 if the bytecode version is 1.8?
cinder flare
Yes
timber oak
But then I should just always select SDK 16?
cinder flare
Well if you want to support older versions of Java you need to target older versions of Java
Really you should set it to 11 for most cases but some idiots are still on Java 8 somehow so if you want to cater to absolutely everyone then go with 8
But like all of clips plugins and such I'm pretty sure require Java 11 now at least with the 1.17 release
timber oak
Every host has atleast Java 11 now anyways
cinder flare
Yes they should
timber oak
So a plugin made specifically for 1.17 can just use Java 16 as bytecode version?
cinder flare
It's very easy for people in our community to upgrade Java versions
timber oak
And bytecode version = target version?
cinder flare
So they really should be on latest
cinder flare
And bytecode version = target version?
Yes
timber oak
Ahhhh alright, this makes way more sense now
cinder flare
So a plugin made specifically for 1.17 can just use Java 16 as bytecode version?
Yes since everyone will have to have it anyways, you might as well get the new language features and speed improvements
timber oak
But the players on the server can still use Java 8 right?
Or wait 1.17 also requires Java 16 for the players ig
cinder flare
But the players on the server can still use Java 8 right?
Yes they're competely separate
But yes 1.17 uses Java 16 so it doesn't matter too too much
timber oak
So the whole mc 1.17 and java 16 requirement is just for the server hosts? This doesn't mean anything for the players?
cinder flare
It'll download it for them automatically and give plenty of speed improvements and QoL for the developers
But most users won't know, yes
timber oak
Ah okay
One last thing
When developing, the "features" with Java 16 are they in the code itself or just how it compiles?
ig in the code itself also right?
cinder flare
Both
Such as records, switch expressions, pattern matching instanceof
Those are just the ones I've used in my projects
timber oak
Alright so if I use SDK 15 and use some features that's not in 1.8 but the target is 1.8 will it then compile?
timber oak
Alright so if I don't, will it then show which feature that I can't use in the current target version?
cinder flare
The linting is based off of your target version
So you will get errors if you try to use new language features
timber oak
So you will get errors if you try to use new language features
Yeah but will those errors point me to where in the code it's incompatible?
cinder flare
Yes
timber oak
Ah okay, nice
cinder flare
It'll highlight red just like any other error
timber oak
Will it also show the required Java version?
cinder flare
For what
timber oak
For the feature
cinder flare
No
It won't tell you you're using a new feature
It will just like not know what that class is
cinder flare
Or not know what "record" means
timber oak
But wait
Then it's useless to use a SDK above the target version anyway?
Since you can't use the features?
cinder flare
It usually provides better compile times
And you can use it to compile towards other versions too
So you can have a 1.17 plugin and a 1.8 plugin both on the same machine with just one version of Java
timber oak
And you can use it to compile towards other versions too
As in changing target version?
onyx loom
if u use a higher jdk then u probably wont need to ever use a lower version for anything, just target the lower version but then u urself can use that higher version for anything u want to
cinder flare
As in changing target version?
Yes
timber oak
if u use a higher jdk then u probably wont need to ever use a lower version for ...
But I can't use the features from the higher version anyway?
cinder flare
If you just install Java 16, you can compile for any version you'll need
onyx loom
^
cinder flare
But I can't use the features from the higher version anyway?
Well ya but that's not the only reason to upgrade
onyx loom
meaning that u probably wouldnt ever need to have another java version installed, due to backwards compatibility
timber oak
Alright so if I NEED a method / class from a more recent java version I just need to change the target version?
cinder flare
Yes
timber oak
Alright, thanks both of you for taking your time to explain this!
I really appreciate it
cinder flare
No problem, the Java version upgrade of minecraft is my favorite part of 1.17 lol
timber oak
No problem, the Java version upgrade of minecraft is my favorite part of 1.17 lo...
I thought it would cause way more problems than it did
I thought it required target version to be 16 when making the plugin
cinder flare
Oh no only a few reflection things were messed up
obtuse gale
There are more servers running 1.17 than 1.8.8 :kekw:
cinder flare
There are more servers running 1.17 than 1.8.8 :kekw:
Wait really? And Paper isn't even out yet!
cinder flare
God I'm so happy with 1.17
obtuse gale
Lmao
cinder flare
Bro half of all servers are in offline mode
static zealot
yeah
cinder flare
Oh though I guess that is mostly bungeecord
cinder flare
Oh I'm sure it is
obtuse gale
There's also bstats for bungeecord, check those as well if you're so certain
cinder flare
No way more than 20% of servers are cracked
static zealot
most romanian servers are offline mode. and that's like 700 on Minecraft-mp alone
yeah star they are xD
obtuse gale
Dude we have had this conversation before lmao
cinder flare
Lmao
static zealot
was thinking of something else but don't know what xD
but anyways
most small servers (non international ones) are offline
that's why most romanian servers are offline. bcz first of all the community is trash and second of all they don't buy minecraft xD
so yeah
cinder flare
Damn I guess if each bungeecord server has, say, 3 offline servers per, that's still like 50k cracked servers
Though that doesn't include velocity data does it?
static zealot
well you shouldn't measure the servers. just the network
static zealot
no. you said if there were 3 offline servers per bungeecord network
but that's not really you can count
obtuse gale
plot twist hypixel runs offline mode 🤡
static zealot
I Know a lot of cracked servers that have more gamemodes than hypixel.
cinder flare
They do
static zealot
tho not as many servers most likely
jovial warren
I've been working quite a bit on stuff in Krypton, namely, we now have entities (I've only added the zombie so far, but I will add the rest very soon), but I'm now trying to do some work on adding registries to the API, and I was wondering if any of you have any suggestions about the way I should implement registries
static zealot
just more gamemodes and 1 server per gamemode
cinder flare
Anything that's behind a proxy is in offline mode
static zealot
I've been working quite a bit on stuff in Krypton, namely, we now have entities ...
nice
no suggestions tho xD
cinder flare
I have no clue I pay for my minecraft
static zealot
If only it counted installations of AuthMe
not as many
and I Knew that bcz I've seen a lot of trash servers using pin and captcha plugins instead
or the Login one
cinder flare
Bam there you go
cinder flare
and I Knew that bcz I've seen a lot of trash servers using pin and captcha plugi...
No way it's more than like 5k
cinder flare
I mean compared to the 200,000
obtuse gale
Still, bungee bstats shows about 50/50 too
static zealot
anyways star. its a lot of offline servers
cinder flare
Still, bungee bstats shows about 50/50 too
No fucking way
static zealot
a lot lot
static zealot
but yeah not all bungee servers use authme bungee.
bcz they can't even get that right
static zealot
they either use the bad option that was made by someone else and has a lot of bugs
or they just use the spigot one without the bungee one
which again is bad when using it on bungee
jovial warren
one metric I always do like to laugh at is Sponge's bStats page, which shows less than 1000 servers because Sponge decided that it's a clever idea to make metrics opt-in rather than opt-out
cinder flare
Lmao
jovial warren
like literally, worst mistake you could make with metrics
static zealot
also u know those scam servers? that used to get a lot of attention last year? the ones that were giving away baltop rewards but just dissapeared after a month with thousands made in sales?
those were alos mostly offline
cinder flare
also u know those scam servers? that used to get a lot of attention last year? t...
No I don't play cracked servers
jovial warren
oh btw, did anyone miss my question about registries?
static zealot
well u don't have to. they were getting a lot of attention on youtube
cinder flare
No I just have barely a clue what that even means bardy
jovial warren
lol
static zealot
my entire feed was just that. even tho I kept asking youtoube to not recommend them xd
jovial warren
emily aren't you decent with registries
I'm really tempted to just kinda copy vanilla's system and just stick it straight in the API
I mean, pretty much the only other option would be for me to get some form of static access to something in the backend, which is kinda ugly ngl
obtuse gale
emily aren't you decent with registries
I'm very good at saying that enums are very constraining but I wouldn't have a good time making a proper registries system 🤡
jovial warren
lol
the only issue with me just copying the registries from the frontend to the backend is that the backend registries use fastutil and the DFU 🥲
potent nest
how's that an issue?
cinder flare
Probably more dependencies
static zealot
did jda change the name of the mainClassName property?
potent nest
we don't have fastutil in the API
you don't need to expose that
also frontend <-> backend sounds wrong if it's only one program in the end
static zealot
jda doesn't influence your gradle build
gradle is what I meant yeah. did they change it?
bcz rn it keeps telling me it can't find a main manifest attribute
I Update to gradle 7.0.2
from 6.2 or whatever it was
old wyvern
Did you provide a main manifest attribute?
static zealot
ugh what's that tho? isn't that the mainClassName one?
old wyvern
Yes
half harness
With javafx/tornadofx, anyone know why this happens? the stack traces don't lead to my code, it's unreproducible, it happens randomly, and the stacktrace is https://paste.helpch.at/ilizegicel
I need something to fix this because it crashes the program 😕
winged oyster
I found this article talking about it in the "Limitations with Local Variables"
i'm not sure if this is exactly your problem but it could probably provide some insight
half harness
😕 <local> is just a local variable, same as a field but local variables don't have names
I doubt anyone might know about this issue since I couldn't find anything on google either
winged oyster
i found a couple resources by looking up "<local2> is null" but none of them seem to be directly related to your problem
half harness
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29457693/spontaneous-nullpointerexceptions-when-firing-events might be this
im just copying and pasting stacktraces into google
Don't modify your GUI on a non-GUI thread.
oh
uh oh
that might cause some other issues
performance issues*
since i have a lot of "timers"
half harness
ty
and the only way to access the main thread is to do Platform.runLater
and in its docs it says to not call it hundreds of times per second..
onyx loom
😁
half harness
applications should avoid flooding JavaFX with too many pending Runnables. Otherwise, the application may become unresponsive
jovial warren
man, systemctl suspend is such a useful command
I never knew before yesterday that you could actually manually force sleep Linux
obtuse gale
net.luckperms.api.bulkupdate.summary.BulkOperationSummaryStatistics
Enterprise Software™️
cinder flare
man, `systemctl suspend` is such a useful command
mmm systemd
I see you're not a sysvinit stan
jovial warren
not that far
jovial warren
I've only had a PC for the last 5 years
cinder flare
well yeah same
jovial warren
and I've only used Linux for the past max 2 years
cinder flare
but that doesn't mean I don't know history
do you just use ubuntu or something lmao
cinder flare
hmm usually people who use Arch are knowledgeable about linux in general
cinder flare
ik about init.d, but not sysvinit
they're the same
sysvinit is the style
/etc/init.d is the old interpretation
nowadays we have like OpenRC and runit
cinder flare
not officially 😉
I do like systemd personally but a lot of people don't lmao
the default on Gentoo is actually OpenRC and I had to specifically target systemd
obtuse gale
man git diffs are optimized very weirdly, look at that last parentheses lmao
obtuse gale
no but it makes sense
the .build( stayed the same and the ); also did
all git sees is a ) just being inserted there lmao
cinder flare
yeah i guess you're right
lunar cypress
bts? poggers
cinder flare
I was gonna say, I'm sure it's like open source
obtuse gale
what if it wasn't
cinder flare
then probably no one would use it
obtuse gale
eeeh
cinder flare
there's plenty of other open source version control systems
i am 100% sure people would not have migrated to a closed source one
obtuse gale
I mean production companies don't use free and open source alternatives to premiere pro or audition
they are still top notch high tier production software
expensive as fuck, closed source as tight as it can get and used worldwide
if only github.com/github/github was a thing
cinder flare
I mean production companies don't use free and open source alternatives to premi...
they definitely do
the industry standard is avid media composer
and pro tools
and plenty of companies use davinci resolve, and audacity
obtuse gale
free and open source?
hallow crane
Movie studios are starting to adopt davinci resolve
cinder flare
plenty of studios already use davinci for color
hallow crane
yes because it's good
cinder flare
they're just moving to full
hallow crane
I used to use it
obtuse gale
i think you're missing my point
cinder flare
I think you're missing my point
obtuse gale
my point wasn't precisely PP or audition
cinder flare
My point was that the entire open source community would not settle on a closed source version control system
Companies just use git because everyone else already does
Version Control was started by the free software movement and that's why we have it today
obtuse gale
you are listing software that is neither free nor open source, which is what i was referring to
anyway, later
obtuse gale
audacity 🤡
cinder flare
yeah avid media composer sucks though
obtuse gale
have you ever used audition?
cinder flare
plenty of times yes
obtuse gale
that's on another level
cinder flare
I hope you realize I do professional sound design
obtuse gale
how am i supposed to realize if i don't know your daily doings lmao
cinder flare
and Audition is not the DAW I would use either
lunar cypress
SVN is so much better than Git
cinder flare
SVN is so much better than Git
I actually know nothing about subversion, what makes it better?
old wyvern
I hope you realize I do professional sound design
😮
What does professional sound design actually mean?
cinder flare
Making sound effects and stuff for musicals
old wyvern
Ah
cinder flare
so I've used plenty of DAWs and audio tools lmao
and Audition is definitely not the best
it has nice integration with the suite though, I'll give you that
lunar cypress
I actually know nothing about subversion, what makes it better?
I'm joking of course. RCS is the real shit
lunar cypress
my software engineering prof never fails to mention that he wrote it
lunar cypress
yea
cinder flare
man I wish I was alive back in the early Unix days, working at a university, and was also smart
imagine how cool all those projects would be
old wyvern
Please imagine you were Simon. Thanks
forest pecan
My computer is dying
It’s running a modded server, forge, and IntelliJ at the same time
💀
My ram is bottle necking me lmao
cinder flare
hurry get 128GB of ram like that one guy
hallow crane
that's a lot of ram
obtuse gale
and Audition is definitely not the best
Not the best, but if I had to choose between that and audacity, I would choose audition (and, as you said, it integrates with the rest of the suite, that's a big bonus if you or a team uses it, they actually integrate pretty nicely)
cinder flare
Not the best, but if I had to choose between that and audacity, I would choose a...
Audition is slow and bloated and lacks useful features of DAWs
it's in a weird limbo between a DAW and a quick audio editor like Audacity
so if I want real audio editing, I'll use a DAW
if I want to quick record something on a school pc that has a total of 4MB of ram, I'll use Audacity
obtuse gale
Last time I used it it wasn't (annoyingly) slow, that is to say it was 2016/17 lmao
cinder flare
have you tried Reaper though
obtuse gale
Uuh sounds familiar
lunar cypress
Tantacrul is now head designer at Audacity I think so that's pretty poggers
cinder flare
and comparing to Audacity isn't necessarily fair, Audacity isn't a DAW
cinder flare
Tantacrul is now head designer at Audacity I think so that's pretty poggers
I know! It makes me so happy
obtuse gale
It’s running a modded server, forge, and IntelliJ at the same time
Forge 🤢
lunar cypress
I mean musescore turned out pretty good under his guidance
lunar cypress
Not like I got much
I was like man you're showing me the same picture of a key twice
lunar cypress
So you're into music?
cinder flare
Not too too much, I did choir in middle school lmao
I mainly do audio for musicals and like videos/short films
cinder flare
what instrument did you play?
lunar cypress
I really got into it in my last years of high school and the pandemic destroyed everything
obtuse gale
Typical pandemic
lunar cypress
I used to play the keys, but I consider myself a Jazz bassist mainly right now
old wyvern
lol
obtuse gale
"the keys" is how its friends call it 😎
cinder flare
yea yea
lunar cypress
Might be wrong on that, it's been a while
I really miss it a lot
I was only getting started
We had a lot of gigs lined up too... that would have been so cool
obtuse gale
Damn I can feel Johnny's joy and disappointment hahaha
obtuse gale
🥲
lunar cypress
Emotions unfelt for over a year
obtuse gale
Paper vc be lit 🔥👌🔥👌
old wyvern
German
simple viper
cinder flare
hey what changed in the new version of rainbow brackets
obtuse gale
as far as i am concerned the version number :kekw:
cinder flare
it affected many
obtuse gale
Ah yes, my server #git-spam channel is now dedicated to commits i want to PR to LP 🥲
instead of my own shit which i should be working on cough
potent nest
I‘ve never heard of someone not working on the stuff they‘re supposed to 🌝
obtuse gale
Typical lol
humble silo
Oh my god im liking spring so far, it just works
ocean quartz
Try Ktor 😌
old wyvern
Enterprise 😌
jovial warren
I‘ve never heard of someone *not* working on the stuff they‘re supposed to 🌝
I've never heard of someone working on the stuff they're supposed to lol
boreal needle
it's time to rewrite a load of stuff and break everything :)
prisma wave
Time to rewrite your discord client I think
boreal needle
shut
prisma wave
🥰
steel heart
Haskell minecraft client 😬😬😬
obtuse gale
@steel heart you’re making?
boreal needle
tui is best
steel heart
How dare you say something like that
steel heart
Gui > tui
prisma wave
Nah
steel heart
Yes
boreal needle
which one of these looks nicer
prisma wave
Are you really asking that
boreal needle
yes
jovial warren
right
jovial warren
isn't left just the default GTK theme?
boreal needle
yep
cba with gtk
i use terminal everything anyway
except stuff that doesnt have it but none of it is gtk
jovial warren
the real question though is why the fuck do you have code open in a text editor
quiet depot
to demonstrate
boreal needle
for demonstration
jovial warren
I was gonna say
boreal needle
what kind of person writes java in vim
obtuse gale
Is there a way to make my java program like come bundled with java or somethin so it can be ran without installing java?
jovial warren
you had me worried there
jovial warren
what kind of person writes java in vim
@stuck harbor
quiet depot
iwanio is a sublime user
boreal needle
crazy man
quiet depot
and i've written java in sublime
jovial warren
did iwanio switch?
quiet depot
portion of rpf was written in sublime
boreal needle
i can imagine that's not that bad
jovial warren
he used to be a vim user
quiet depot
iwanio was an emacs user
jovial warren
ew wtf
boreal needle
i'm so sad intellij doesnt support compositor transparency
old wyvern
and i've written java in sublime
But have you written sublime in java? 😌
old wyvern
😔
quiet depot
this is worrying
an empty line
where could it have come from
how do people live with only 16gb
it's just not enough
ij, bungee, bukkit, and 2 mc instances
old wyvern
Seems to run just fine on 16gb ram
quiet depot
1.17 spigot
old wyvern
Ah, havent tried that much
quiet depot
oh using resource packs on both clients, that's probably it
old wyvern
Just opened it for a few mins yesterday
boreal needle
my laptop only has 8 🥲
distant sun
+1
prisma wave
iwanio was an emacs user
Emacs 😌
quiet depot
doubt
prisma wave
^^
quiet depot
cap
old wyvern
FALSE
prisma wave
I don't see any smart people here using sublime
obtuse gale
how does one create a manifest so my hjava thing will run via java -jar whatever.jar
quiet depot
i see very dumb people using emacs
one person in particular forgets the person he is talking to wields the ban hammer
prisma wave
banned for spreading the truth
old wyvern
^
quiet depot
you have no rights in here
prisma wave
the Emacs martyr
boreal needle
its ok bm, you can join me :D
boreal needle
windows?
quiet depot
no
boreal needle
which one
quiet depot
kde neon
prisma wave
Atom / vsc / sublime are for B tier programmers
vim is for clever people
Emacs is for ascended people
prisma wave
nano is for smooth brains
quiet depot
oof
prisma wave
Although it's not bad for small edits
quiet depot
nano is the only cli editor I can use
old wyvern
kde neon is ubuntu?
boreal needle
nano bad
quiet depot
yes
old wyvern
ah
quiet depot
kde neon is rolling release for kde software
prisma wave
small beard
quiet depot
based on the latest ubuntu lts
kubuntu is the other way around
it gets new ubuntu stuff but not kde
prisma wave
🧐
quiet depot
🌞
old wyvern
This normally takes a few seconds, now when I really need to leave, its taking forever!!!!
old wyvern
rgwqwrgqrwg
quiet depot
it's faster to kill java and restart the build than wait for that
prisma wave
yeah kill java please :)
old wyvern
I had the wrong password for the keystore
old wyvern
yeah kill java please :)
😌
prisma wave
signed good unsigned bad
quiet depot
what's your nickname for boris johnson?
old wyvern
bojo
quiet depot
and by "your" I mean "you english people"
prisma wave
twat
quiet depot
interesting
prisma wave
or just "Boris"
quiet depot
my teacher said it was "bojo" but I'll be sure to correct her
"Actually miss, they refer to him as, twat"
boreal needle
correct
old wyvern
or "the second coming of Jesus" depending on who you ask
😳 😳
Isnt the second coming of jesus supposed to be the end of the world or something?
old wyvern
🌞
cinder flare
The world could probably do with a good ending ngl
stuck harbor
<@!188210987697045504>
yeet?
yeet.
I am supremely sublime now
but vim has a place in my heart :)
quiet depot
I thought you were an emacs guy before
quiet depot
did you end up buying a sublime license?
quiet depot
oh i think they changed the license model that's right
u have to pay every 3 years or something
cinder flare
Vim gang
quiet depot
star how is guice adventures going
cinder flare
Uh I didn't get what you were talking about I don't think
But it's been great in my plugin that I haven't worked on in like a few days 🙂
cinder flare
Ah okay I definitely will
But I also am about to start a job doing python and Django at my university
quiet depot
oh I feel so sorry for you
stuck harbor
django
quiet depot
you should make your job switching to a reasonable language and framework
cinder flare
I don't think I have the power to do that lmao
stuck harbor
F# looks good on ur CV ;)
quiet depot
well not with that attitude
cinder flare
I mean this guy has the been only person working on the website besides students the entire time
quiet depot
tell him he's been wasting his time
prisma wave
F# looks good on ur CV ;)
F# 😌 😌 😌 😌
cinder flare
He personally chose Django, so unless he's realized the pain he's caused, I think he's not gonna change
quiet depot
only employment f# developers can find is behind the desk at a 7/11
prisma wave
not true sir
cinder flare
I just read an article that a bunch of financial companies use OCaml
So uh, thoughts on that?
quiet depot
yes
onyx loom
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1405128302277320705?s=19
wtf 😂😂
we got a decent government
cinder flare
Same 🥲
prisma wave
stuck harbor
imma get MSFT to switch to F# for windows
cinder flare
It's a lisp?
stuck harbor
but F# is bracketless
stuck harbor
being good
cinder flare
Hmm
quiet depot
I've retracted my statement as I've never used either language so I've got no clue what I'm talking about
cinder flare
You don't like Scala?
cinder flare
Oop
eternal compass
lmfao someone just offered to buy my chrome extension that I made like 2 years ago
boreal needle
nice
stuck harbor
lmfao someone just offered to buy my chrome extension that I made like 2 years a...
how much?
eternal compass
no idea yet, idk if I'll reply
I had some serious offers for another of mine, but chrome removed it because it stole assets from the chrome dino game 🥲
stuck harbor
stonks
prisma wave
F# just sounds like the Scala of C#
I think F# is more functional than Scala is
Scala is like 50/50, F# is more like 70/30
Maybe 80/20
cinder flare
Ah I see
half harness
<@!521485088995672084> I summon you
at 6 AM 👀
quiet depot
to use root
cinder flare
Yes but only when you need it
You should never be logged into root unless you're like installing arch or something
storm coyote
the password contains *
cinder flare
It's the principle of least privilege or whatever
cinder flare
You should have the bare minimum access level to do what you need to do
half harness
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pacman-popup/iocghaljaochhkgajdilelogdkejkiil?hl=en-US
heyy
storm coyote
ace I will continue helping you in <#165129131770511360>
thank you
cinder flare
That's why you disable the root account
quiet depot
I agree, but only for a system where I am not the sole controller
for example a business
cinder flare
What?
quiet depot
if I'm the sole controller i'll do whatever the fuck I want
eternal compass
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pacman-popup/iocghaljaochhkgajdilelogd...
yes that'd be it
half harness
yes that'd be it
IT HAS MALWARE GOOGLE WARNED ME ABOUT IT. THEY DISABLED IT FOR ME SO I DOWNLOADED IT AGAIN TO WRITE THIS REVIEW. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING ITS GOOD AREN'T LIARS BECAUSE IT USED TO NOT HAVE MALWARE. PLS DON'T DOWNLOAD IT.
quiet depot
I understand it's a good idea for beginners, as they're usually unable to correct the mistakes they make as a result of using root
for example file permissions
cinder flare
Also AWS doesn't give you root account by default
eternal compass
> IT HAS MALWARE GOOGLE WARNED ME ABOUT IT. THEY DISABLED IT FOR ME SO I DOWNLOA...
lmao people are intresting
downvote it for me 
cinder flare
I understand it's a good idea for beginners, as they're usually unable to correc...
It's a good idea for everyone
quiet depot
most hosts don't I believe star
cinder flare
Pig you are not beyond making mistakes
half harness
downvote it for me <:fingerguns:730681133200834592>
quiet depot
never said I was
eternal compass
<:Thonk:717979132549660693>
say it wasn't helpful
half harness
ohh
eternal compass
then it doesn't appear at the rop
cinder flare
"It's a good idea for beginners who are likely to make mistakes"
I know I've made mistakes that would have costed me a lot more if I were logged in as root
stuck harbor
who needs all of sudo's shit
cinder flare
Me
stuck harbor
when u can have klean doas
quiet depot
what's doas
quiet depot
smoooth brain?
boreal needle
should i swap out sudo for doas
stuck harbor
depends
boreal needle
what on?
stuck harbor
how u use Linux
boreal needle
just as a desktop
cinder flare
it barely makes a difference
boreal needle
sudo is slow af on my laptop
quiet depot
I would definitely make mistakes if I did
stuck harbor
try out doas I guess
cinder flare
sudo is slow af on my laptop
What
quiet depot
I only use it on a server environment where imo, such mistakes are so much easier to avoid
stuck harbor
see if it's better for u
cinder flare
Sudo doesn't do anything by itself
boreal needle
it just takes forever to prompt
cinder flare
I only use it on a server environment where imo, such mistakes are so much easie...
I mean I guess
quiet depot
and it's not like I run software through root either
cinder flare
I still use non-root on every Linux machine I've ever used
quiet depot
I'll make dedicated users for it
stuck harbor
my vps runs debian
quiet depot
I still try to be somewhat security conscious
stuck harbor
run awaaaay
quiet depot
but security has really never been my strength
cinder flare
it just takes forever to prompt
Dude if Unix from 1970 can run sudo I think your computer can
boreal needle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cinder flare
but security has really never been my strength
Is typing sudo really that hard?
Like I didn't even think this could be a debate
cinder flare
Every person I know doesn't use the root account besides you I guess lol
stuck harbor
wsl is in windows store, no?
boreal needle
i cant stand wsl
stuck harbor
Windows server has no windows store
cinder flare
You can still get it without windows store
quiet depot
do u actually use windows server
stuck harbor
when I have to use Windows, yes
jovial warren
\/\*\*(\n .*)*\*\/\n @JvmField\n val jesus fucking christ how tf did I actually make that work
stuck harbor
I don't have wine cause security
cinder flare
But why would you use windows server? Less bloat?
stuck harbor
yeah
jovial warren
But why would you use windows server? Less bloat?
boat?
cinder flare
Like I bet it makes certain things a lot harder
stuck harbor
less boat
quiet depot
for example being respected
jovial warren
if you mean less bloat then Windows Server doesn't have less bloat
jovial warren
in fact, I'd strongly argue it comes with more bloatware than Linux does
cinder flare
What
jovial warren
and uses more RAM
cinder flare
Bardy wtf are you on about
He uses windows server as an alternative to normal windows
Not an alternative to Linux
jovial warren
omg why
what
sorry, I thought this was a Linux vs Windows server argument
why would you use Windows Server on a desktop machine 
cinder flare
That's not even an argument lmao
stuck harbor
less bloat
cinder flare
The only reason windows server exists is for active directory
jovial warren
no way you can get games to run on Windows Server
cinder flare
no way you can get games to run on Windows Server
That's what I'm saying dude
quiet depot
why wouldn't you be able to?
stuck harbor
valo on Windows server is 10/10
quiet depot
isn't windows server just windows without tracking
jovial warren
The only reason windows server exists is for active directory
the only reason Window Server is used is because of AD, not the only reason it was created, Microsoft had, and still have, the delusion that they can somehow win over the server software market with their proprietary piece of trash
cinder flare
I swear it had more restrictions
prisma wave
https://i.imgur.com/BQnNWCM.png seems to work though
too* 🙂
onyx loom
thief 😮
prisma wave
mind your own business
cinder flare
Yeah it was wrong
jovial warren
he was trying to correct my grammar unnecessarily
onyx loom
where was the correction
quiet depot
yes that's why he corrected it
cinder flare
No bm was wrong
quiet depot
no he wasn't
onyx loom
how
cinder flare
"Seems to work"
onyx loom
explain
jovial warren
nah BM's not wrong, just mine was fine in the first place
cinder flare
That's correct
quiet depot
you're looking at the wrong word
prisma wave
grammar corrections are always necessary
jovial warren
oh
onyx loom
o
jovial warren
lol
cinder flare
Oh I thought he meant in the discord message
jovial warren
also, \/\*\*(\n .*)*\*\/\n @JvmField\n val regex master though amirite
prisma wave
i am very perceptive towards grammar mistakes
quiet depot
more like formatting crimelord
cinder flare
i am very perceptive towards grammar mistakes
See that's why I was really lost cause I know bardy said his discord message right lmao
prisma wave
shaking my head
jovial warren
i am very perceptive towards grammar mistakes
a.k.a grammar police
prisma wave
a noble career
jovial warren
idrc anyway, I'm part of the force too lol
prisma wave
not with that attitude you're not
jovial warren
good point
I mean, doesn't matter anyway since it's gone now
not sure how I missed that
cinder flare
Haha
jovial warren
I was reformatting the ParticleType pseudo-enum to keep uniformity with all the other pseudo-enum registries
as part of the new registry system
jovial warren
you ain't contributed shit yet so no lol
cinder flare
Haha
jovial warren
contributor role is awarded to people on the GitHub contributor's list
boreal needle
aww my contwibutions not gud enuff fow senpai? >.<
cinder flare
Wtf
prisma wave
what the hell
cinder flare
Can we ban Lucy again
jovial warren
you just reminded me that I should make a translator role
half harness
Can we ban Lucy again
stuck harbor
pls ban
prisma wave
je le traduirai a francais
stuck harbor
sacre bleu
prisma wave
shush
cinder flare
I tried but it said it would change for all the owners of the project
boreal needle
wow i forgot just how bad this translation is
old wyvern
It has some bugs
frail glade
reposlite is nice but there's some minor things that would be useful that it had.
boreal needle
quiet depot
such as?
frail glade
Like you can't delete deployments unless you have fs access.
old wyvern
Like reposilite tries to mirror a directory as a html file when proxied
old wyvern
Ok so I i wanted to download adventure, but I used an incomplete url, somerepo.com/org.adventure/adventure-something
This example without the version part
quiet depot
it's an example
old wyvern
It downloads the html page from that directory instead of finding it as a directory
jovial warren
I was gonna say
cinder flare
org.adventure?
Shush he's telling a story
old wyvern
And then
You cant get it to resolve that as a directory without manually deleting the entry
quiet depot
I'm somewhat struggling to see where this would become an issue
well actually
have you made an issue?
cinder flare
Yeah I was gonna say
old wyvern
Not yet
cinder flare
I bet you could pr it if it's that big of a problem
old wyvern
I looked at the source for sometime and then forgot
old wyvern
I'm somewhat struggling to see where this would become an issue
When an incomplete request is made to the repository
obtuse gale
🤔
prisma wave
nice pixels you've got there
obtuse gale
half harness
u change ur pfp daily
obtuse gale
not my video ¯_(ツ)_/¯
half harness
uhhh when I ssh, it sshes into powershell, is there any way to make it go into command prompt?
nvm i can just type cmd
old wyvern
static zealot
why tho?
prisma wave
why what
static zealot
I feel like != is better than /=
sweet cipher
=/= is the real way
old wyvern
Why?
static zealot
well their reasoning is to be more close to math
old wyvern
Yes
static zealot
but to me that is not closer to math bcz in math the / actually croses the = sign
idk
old wyvern
Some code editors do format it that way
static zealot
I guess that's true
prisma wave
windows bad
gusty glen
windows bad
I know :/
gusty glen
idk, I didn't download it
maybe it came when I installed haskell-dev with chocolatey?
prisma wave
huh possibly
prisma wave
maybe this is why my ghc doesn't work properly with intellij?
What actually is the issue?
gusty glen
I'll try to reinstall to see if it fixes my issues
gusty glen
What actually is the issue?
intellij doesn't identify stack
gusty glen
well, yes, I downloaded it separately just to make sure
even when I manually select stack.exe from intellij, it just says that the stack executable is "invalid"
it is definitively there
gusty glen
old wyvern
Do you have something setup to auto change your pf or something?
prisma wave
try stack new
prisma wave
Do you have something setup to auto change your pf or something?
Nah I just got bored of matt hancock
old wyvern
lol
prisma wave
so now we've got buff richard nixon
gusty glen
holy wait
gusty glen
console output: https://paste.helpch.at/yuholetiti.cs
prisma wave
might wanna make an issue on the haskell-plugin's repo then ig
gusty glen
Do you have something setup to auto change your pf or something?
i didn't touch any configuration
prisma wave
No idea what the problem could be
