dev-general

[cinder flare]

Cause like monarchies and stuff have had rights that people have

[lunar cypress]

sure, you can detach that

Again depends on what literature you read

[cinder flare]

yeah true

I dunno that's just my kinda feeling though

[prisma wave]

based

In other words

I deserve admin

[cinder flare]

ah yea yea

[static zealot]

yo this is so cool. it auto removes the faq messages as well

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

» Give the helpers some details
» Ask suitable questions
» Be polite
» Wait

Source

Requested by: BlitzOffline • help

[cinder flare]

you heard the man Blitz, Wait

[lunar cypress]

sure, that's fair

Hard to get it all together

[cinder flare]

Yea

[lunar cypress]

the set of liberties also differs depending on whom you ask

for example it is not a good idea to ping the ship about this

PepeLaugh

[cinder flare]

Cause I primarily associate like unalienable rights (or liberties or whatever) with the United States since I live there, and I always considered us a Representative Republic

so those ideas don't go very hand-in-hand with democracy in my mind

[lunar cypress]

In my political science classes we classified it as a presidential republic iirc

[cinder flare]

oh i see

[lunar cypress]

Since the president basically is the executive power

and is elected directly

but it's still representative of course

[cinder flare]

oh I remember in my US Gov class, there's a law in my state that requires that we categorize the US as a Compound Constitutional Republic

so I have no idea what compound means

but I get constitutional

[lunar cypress]

not sure I've heard that before either

[cinder flare]

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title53G/Chapter10/53G-10-S302.html

lmao

[lunar cypress]

it's definitely easiest if the constitution of the country simply states what it is

American education is wild to me sometimes

did you also have to say the pledge of allegiance and shit

[cinder flare]

yea but in high school I took stage technology (so technical theatre stuff), and we were always working in the auditorium so I never said the pledge of allegiance after that

[lunar cypress]

what was that thing the gov launched after the 1619 project again

lmao

I just remembered that

[cinder flare]

I have never heard of the 1619 project

[lunar cypress]

ah the 1776 project

or report whatever

completely wild

[cinder flare]

wasn't that some stupid trump thing that was like super racist

[lunar cypress]

yes

[cinder flare]

ah nice

[remote goblet]

the 1.17 nms changes are painful

[cinder flare]

What's different?

[lunar cypress]

it was in response to the 1619 project which was a critical re-examination of US history primarily focusing on race I think

[remote goblet]

a lot

[cinder flare]

any notable examples?

[static zealot]

is it better tho? as in improvements?

[lunar cypress]

no

[remote goblet]

yes and no

[cinder flare]

ah I see so they made a counter-report

[cinder flare]

#general-plugins message
man I see why they made this guy Trusted, look at how smart he is

[remote goblet]

there's some changes like the worldborder package name went from net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.WorldBorder to net.minecraft.world.level.border.WorldBorder

[lunar cypress]

yeah it sucked ass lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2d8u2QyvAo

[remote goblet]

but side effects are in my version of nms, I do not have PacketdPlayOutWorldBorder :)

[cinder flare]

oh yeah I watched like 6 minutes of that video before becoming bored and doing something stupid in Rust lmao

[cinder flare]

so what does that like... mean?

does that mean it's not version specific now?

[remote goblet]

oh no it still si

[cinder flare]

hmmm

oh it's not in NMS anymore

I seeee

[remote goblet]

i have a wack version of nms so

but im currently trying to figure out clientside worldborders

[cinder flare]

woah that's a thing?

[remote goblet]

yes?

[cinder flare]

huh, never seen it before

[remote goblet]

Skyblock plugins use it a ton

[cinder flare]

huh, I only ever played Hypixel skyblock

[remote goblet]

It can display worldborders for individual players

i used to do this

but PacketPlayOutWorldBorder no exist

[cinder flare]

oh I see

what's the new packet then?

[remote goblet]

i have no idea

:)

yoinking a dm from esophose

[cinder flare]

oh are those the deobs mappings that Mojang releases?

[remote goblet]

I use her repo which allows me to compile normal spigot and nms v easily

[cinder flare]

oh dang maybe I should take a look lol

[remote goblet]

which has 3 different jars

however 1.16 and lower only had 1.16.5 jar

ect

[cinder flare]

hmm so what changed with 1.17 to require 3 jars then?

[dusk holly]

Hello

[static zealot]

hello peasant

[dusk holly]

Be quiet citizen

[steel heart]

Why is blitz mint colored

No

Way

Congrats

[static zealot]

ty

[cinder flare]

artifical dye and flavoring, obviously

[dusk holly]

I cannot send images

[cinder flare]

?imgur

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

You won't be able to upload images here directly to avoid spam, so please use https://imgur.com/ to upload images/screenshots.
You can also use a screenshot service like gyazo or jinx and post those links here.

Requested by: Starmism • imgur

[dusk holly]

help

[static zealot]

^^^

[dusk holly]

I don't care

[steel heart]

[static zealot]

or level up smh

[dusk holly]

🇺🇸 🇱🇷

[jovial warren]

it's been split

there's 6 different packets now, one for each of the old actions

e.g. initialize world border for the INIT action, etc.

PacketPlayOutInitializeWorldBorder is probably what you want

[cinder flare]

Bardy always has the answers, what a great guy

[jovial warren]

well I do work very closely with the protocol lol

I updated wiki.vg to 1.17 yesterday

[cinder flare]

you updated the wiki?!?!

Bardy is way too cool

[jovial warren]

I did a decent amount of work yesterday investigating the 1.17 protocol changes that hadn't been addressed

https://i.imgur.com/vJDiTFu.png

[remote goblet]

@jovial warren

[jovial warren]

no clue what it's called then

[remote goblet]

not entirely sure it exists

[jovial warren]

it does

trust me, I've investigated this myself, it's in vanilla 1.17

yeah there's no deobfuscated name in Spigot

its obfuscated name is qu

[cinder flare]

mmm

how come mojang obfuscates the code anyways

[jovial warren]

idk, ask them

[prisma wave]

If you like mojang so much why don't you just marry them

[jovial warren]

wat

[cinder flare]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[jovial warren]

who are you talking to BM? me?

because that makes 0 sense

[prisma wave]

Anyone

So you're the type that gets on mic and tries to lecture me

You're the most useless person we have on our team

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/uhfw.gif

[cinder flare]

stop you're gonna make me cry

[old wyvern]

Well, we broke the matrix. bm is now an NPC.

[cinder flare]

and an effective one at that

[old wyvern]

🥲

[prisma wave]

I've never seen anybody rage quite as hard as you

[old wyvern]

Overwatch?

[cinder flare]

oh maybe he's reading out chats yeah

[prisma wave]

You should go back to playing team fortress two

[cinder flare]

ah yup

[prisma wave]

I'm not gonna play mercy

[old wyvern]

Yea NPC mode

[prisma wave]

I'm not gonna play any kind of support

We ended up losing and it's all your fault

Your tears are what I live for

[old wyvern]

I have rid my pc of tf2

[cinder flare]

what why

it's so good

[old wyvern]

Idk, never player it except like when to first test the laptop

I just had it on there since then

[cinder flare]

dude I played it like 2 days ago and it was so fun with a friend

especially since I play medic 🥲

[old wyvern]

lol

Currently im on a game that everyone seems to hate on for some reason

[cinder flare]

league?

[old wyvern]

Nope

[prisma wave]

Maybe I'll use Ruby

[old wyvern]

The other one

[prisma wave]

I already used ruby

[forest pecan]

Valorant?

[prisma wave]

Then I'll use objective C

[old wyvern]

For.....

[prisma wave]

I already used object C

I'll use Haskell

Nerf Haskell!

You're right so java

[cinder flare]

ahhhh

yep

[prisma wave]

I already pick java

I guess I'll use kotlin

I'm already kotlin

[old wyvern]

Oh

Ik what hes doing

[prisma wave]

Then I'll use clojure

[old wyvern]

Xp farm

[prisma wave]

I already picked clojure

[old wyvern]

Theres a multi isnt there?

[cinder flare]

no he's quoting a tiktok

[prisma wave]

I have an idea

[cinder flare]

also yes there is

[prisma wave]

What's your idea?

You should use

[cinder flare]

=boost

[prisma wave]

I'm not gonna use java

[old wyvern]

🌞

[cinder flare]

oof

[prisma wave]

You should've used haskell

[old wyvern]

🌞

[prisma wave]

You should've used any kind of FP

[cinder flare]

[prisma wave]

We ended up mutating

And it's all your fault

Your bugs are what I live for

I'm not gonna use Haskell

I'm not gonna use any kind of FP

[cinder flare]

this guy's a support member how is this happening

[prisma wave]

I like mutation and I hate myself

[old wyvern]

=ban @prisma wave

[prisma wave]

Immutability sucks

[old wyvern]

Shut it barry

[prisma wave]

The end

Thank you for listening

[onyx loom]

u suck

[cinder flare]

that story had a few plot holes

[prisma wave]

Shut it

[steel heart]

Caught on camera

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/meryl-streep-booo-gif-13311304

[cinder flare]

in 4k!

[prisma wave]

no it didn't

It was perfect

Anyway

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-gif-4868055

[prisma wave]

Contrary to popular belief that wasn't actually for XP

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/two-thumbs-down-hate-it-bad-rating-dont-like-it-negative-gif-15666785

[prisma wave]

Just following a train of thought

[cinder flare]

now Yugi's doing the xp farming but with gifs

[prisma wave]

Started with this

[old wyvern]

😌

[old wyvern]

What a wonder train of thoughts

[cinder flare]

meanwhile I am currently training the pinterest algorithm to recommend me cute profile pictures

[old wyvern]

Is this the Hogwarts Express?

[prisma wave]

It's the haskell express

Taking gifted students to the Ivory Tower

[cinder flare]

exprhess

[old wyvern]

😌

[prisma wave]

😌

[old wyvern]

Its the haskell Express-ion

[cinder flare]

😌

[prisma wave]

Femboy

That's the way to go

[cinder flare]

i mean if you have any suggestions

[old wyvern]

Whats a femboy?

[prisma wave]

All the coolest people have femboy profile pictures

[cinder flare]

hmm but I hear someone super cool already has that one

[prisma wave]

A boy but fem

[cinder flare]

I think his name was Blitz?

[prisma wave]

You can share

[old wyvern]

So trans?

Idk

[prisma wave]

no

[cinder flare]

no just a boy that likes to be feminine

[prisma wave]

I don't think so anyway

Yeah

[cinder flare]

defying gender stereotypes and all that

make sure nobody summons the ship

[old wyvern]

Uh

[prisma wave]

Femboy is just dressing up as feminine rather than actually wanting to transition

I think

[cinder flare]

i mean there's a whole range of femboyishness

[old wyvern]

So like in a skirt or something?

[prisma wave]

Yes

[cinder flare]

I mean crossdressing is part of it for sure

but you don't have to, I'd say

[prisma wave]

idk it's confusing

[old wyvern]

Is that not supposed to be part of the "trans" community

[cinder flare]

not necessarily

if they don't identify as female, they're obviously not trans

[prisma wave]

femboy is just an "aesthetic", yeah they don't identify as female

[cinder flare]

who's that minecraft youtuber who crossdresses

[old wyvern]

Man people are too fucking complicated in this decade

[cinder flare]

can a man not just wear a pretty skirt??? 😦

[prisma wave]

all you need to know is that it's kinda hot

end of story

[old wyvern]

"hi dude"
"who you calling a dude?"
"What?"
"Im a lady"
"What"
"..."
"..."

[cinder flare]

well I guess we know Yugi's opinions on gender issues

[old wyvern]

lol

[quiet depot]

hello this is dev general

[prisma wave]

hello

[cinder flare]

yeah

us devs are talking about stuff

[prisma wave]

what are your thoughts on femboys

[cinder flare]

genereally

[quiet depot]

idk ig it’s just like a tomboy

[prisma wave]

yeah it's the opposite

[cinder flare]

exactly

and both of them are hot

[prisma wave]

That is exactly what it is

[cinder flare]

we can all get behind that

[prisma wave]

YEAH

[quiet depot]

well frankly I’m not attracted to boys so I can’t agree there

[cinder flare]

i mean i'm not either

[prisma wave]

doesn't matter

[cinder flare]

i'm attracted to the female appearance

and if you can pull that off, well that's my attraction

[prisma wave]

based

[cinder flare]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPn2dRRHGodgdwiK40K7xLQ

take a look at this man

can be very pretty

[quiet depot]

ok this is still dev general go to off topic or ban

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-side-eye-confused-gif-8776030

[cinder flare]

hey man the vibes in off topic are way different

i dunno why

[quiet depot]

change the vibe then

[prisma wave]

off topic has too many people

[quiet depot]

idc

[prisma wave]

Shame

[cinder flare]

off topic is too off topic

feels like you can't have a good conversation there

[uneven vapor]

true 🙂 Has test run it before, this was the the last step to make it work (has before use close event for testing, now I use runnable). But yes I has more bug testing when I has implement the list of items it should craft 🙂 and not do it in unloaded chunks.

was not easy to make 2 and 3 different items recipe, you have to remove first right amount of each item and think on you can add 1 item in each slot (so have to scan the inventory and remove and readd the items some not are used). only downside is it not craft more an 1 item at the time (work different when you use 1 item recipe).

Ether way thanks 🙂

[sly sonnet]

make dev-offtopic

[quiet depot]

sounds like #off-topic

[sly sonnet]

No, off-topic is for normal people

[cinder flare]

yeah we need an off topic away from the plebeians

let's just make a channel for every category

that way pig can always redirect us

[uneven vapor]

off-topic-notForNormalPeople XD

[old wyvern]

#off-topic-for-topics-starting-with-a

[cinder flare]

yea

cover the whole alphabet

[uneven vapor]

åäö too?

[old wyvern]

And symbols and digits!

[cinder flare]

oh wait this isn't a developer topic, we must move to #off-topic -starting-with-c (for channel discussions)

[serene cave]

Hello

I am

America

[cinder flare]

#off-topic -starting-with-a

[serene cave]

Jokes on you! It's case sensitive bitch!

[cinder flare]

oh god

52 letter channels

[lost forge]

Move to #off-topic It's not Development related.

[rotund egret]

I'm struggling to get jitpack to read my stuff again, pretty sure it had to do with how I'm packaging it.
Going to toss it up here if someone's available to take a look it'd be much appreciated!

https://gist.github.com/DrZoddiak/0a042efb070ccc9b6e8a342637d09011

https://jitpack.io/#DrZoddiak/KSON5e/e6faa0bd1e

[quiet depot]

before going further with jitpack

have you considered all the alternatives?

because jitpack is really the lowest of the low

you should only use jitpack if you've already tried literally everything else

[rotund egret]

I really don't need this to be a big thing

[old wyvern]

Apply for central

[quiet depot]

the problem is jitpack is just not good, for anything

regardless of size

[old wyvern]

Self host

[rotund egret]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[loud gyro]

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[old wyvern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rotund egret]

Any suggestions then Piggy?

[quiet depot]

do you have a vps?

[rotund egret]

Yeah

[quiet depot]

and a domain

[rotund egret]

and yeah

[quiet depot]

https://reposilite.com/ this is a very light repository manager

it works well

[rotund egret]

Alright, time to pour myself into another side project in an attempt to finish the main project 🙃

[quiet depot]

I can't remember who uses it but I think I either heard of it from the moss guys, or the incendo guys

[obtuse gale]

Nah Incendo is big Jenkins simp

[quiet depot]

ok ig moss then

[old wyvern]

I do

[quiet depot]

yes because I recommended it to you

[old wyvern]

yea

[quiet depot]

but I'm trying to remember who originally told me about it

[old wyvern]

ah

[quiet depot]

what perms do ssh keys need

private keys

is it 600?

it was 600

[cinder flare]

definitely 00 at the ened

I usually do 700 lol

[rotund egret]

777

[obtuse gale]

P00

[static zealot]

idk man. 1 usually is enough

[quiet depot]

i've been using linux for years and I still can't do these stupid permissions

the numbers always fuck me over

[old wyvern]

Wait a minute, they have a wiki for every hundred numbers?

[rotund egret]

use letters

[cinder flare]

it's really easy tho

[old wyvern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600_(number)#600s

[cinder flare]

just to 755 for most things

700 if you wanna be sneaky

777 if you're angry at sftp

[rotund egret]

Never 777

wtf

[cinder flare]

to let you sftp into a directory as a different user, for sure 777

then put it back obv

[quiet depot]

wat

[rotund egret]

do it right or don't do it at all

[quiet depot]

what do perms and sftp have to do with each other

i am confused

[static zealot]

I don't even know how linux permissions work xD

[quiet depot]

perms on the server or client?

[cinder flare]

you get denied from putting a file into a directory from sftp because your sftp user doesn't have the right permissions

happens to me every single time

[rotund egret]

chown -hR user directory

err chown my b

[cinder flare]

but I don't want to chown it to my admin user

i want my mcserver user to own it

[rotund egret]

Then apply it to a group

[quiet depot]

groups?

[cinder flare]

groups are overrated

[rotund egret]

smh

[quiet depot]

ur linux skills are overrated

[cinder flare]

i only ever do chown star:star lmao

[quiet depot]

same

chown -R something:something is the only chown I ever do

[cinder flare]

permission management is not a very big part of linux skills I'd say lol

ye

dude minidigger is moving like 30GB between his hard drives just so he can use intellij lmao

[obtuse gale]

Just Google it and hope someone on stackexchange has had the same issue

[quiet depot]

I had to move one of my projects to my nvme because it legit just wouldn't work on my hdd

sponge for some reason just can't run on a hdd

[old wyvern]

lol what

[obtuse gale]

Huh?

[old wyvern]

What kind of read/write load does it do

[quiet depot]

world gen was the issue

idk

it lagged so much on hdd

all went away on ssd

[old wyvern]

hdd maxes out at 6gbps right?

or wait

gbps not

[quiet depot]

sata 3 is 6gbps

[rotund egret]

Sponge is a big project with a lot of mixins tbf

[old wyvern]

Yea

[quiet depot]

hdd's usually get like 300MBps MAX

[old wyvern]

ah

[quiet depot]

I don't have the issue with nukkit or bukkit

just sponge

just new sponge*

sponge 8

[cinder flare]

yeah hdd's usually are held back by their physical nature

[old wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uVe3pU9yhw

[quiet depot]

whjat the fuck

[cinder flare]

yeah did you not see windows 11

kinda cool

makes me like the Windows desktop environment even more

[quiet depot]

is this is aj oke

[cinder flare]

no?

[rotund egret]

Ofc it is

[quiet depot]

they said no more updates

[cinder flare]

they deleted Windows 10X from existence

[old wyvern]

^

This just includes things from 10X and some extra

[cinder flare]

no they said no new different products

[quiet depot]

do i have to buy windows 11

[cinder flare]

no

[old wyvern]

Probably not

[quiet depot]

ok good

[old wyvern]

Its not much different from 10 at all

[cinder flare]

it's just an inline update to Windows with a name

[old wyvern]

Minor changes

I wonder why this is even called windows 11

[quiet depot]

why are they changing the num then

[cinder flare]

to be distinct I guess

[old wyvern]

Or promotion

[cinder flare]

they should just rebrand to plain Windows

I thought they were

[old wyvern]

Yea

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/Smg5G99.png

this is the Paper discord

my eyes

[old wyvern]

I was hoping for a fresh de

[quiet depot]

what the fuck does minidigger have no self respect

[cinder flare]

that's not minidigger

he has a dark theme

[quiet depot]

thank god

[cinder flare]

that's Mariell

never heard of her

[quiet depot]

oh ok don't know them so it's fine

[cinder flare]

to be fair, I'd never heard of MiniDigger either

maybe I just don't know anything

[old wyvern]

How does one even read on that

[cinder flare]

not sure

[quiet depot]

minidigger was active on spigot forums

[old wyvern]

Hes been in a community for very long

[quiet depot]

I think he left spigot though

[old wyvern]

Hes on the paper team now

[cinder flare]

oh what an upgrade

[quiet depot]

oh yeah that's right he's project lead now isn't he

[old wyvern]

mhm

hangar

[quiet depot]

ye ik he works on hangar but he got a promotion in the discord to their highest role

[old wyvern]

I think he just got onto the main team

[cinder flare]

dang this Mariell person uses a smart layout for their WM controls

[half harness]

zulu

[cinder flare]

QWERTY

[steel heart]

How do we configure the remapping stuff with gradle for spigot 1.17?

[cinder flare]

much easier to reach than 12345

[cinder flare]

i think you wait until they finish it lol

[steel heart]

Fair

[old wyvern]

remapping stuff?

[cinder flare]

yo wtf Glare has speak permissions in the Paper discord

what a cool guy

[quiet depot]

glare is a moderator

[cinder flare]

well that would explain it wouldn't it

[steel heart]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/spigot-bungeecord-1-17.510208/ @old wyvern

[static zealot]

i can speak in the stage here xD

[cinder flare]

maybe someday I'll have that level of renown

[quiet depot]

@old wyvern isur js pr done?

[static zealot]

isurjsprdone*

[old wyvern]

Waiting for the Javet developer to make the release with the option to reload the library

https://github.com/caoccao/Javet/issues/45

[quiet depot]

are you managing memory?

[old wyvern]

Im closing all resources as needed, yes

[distant sun]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/placeholderapi.61918/page-138#post-4184442 wtf did they changed the path for MinecraftServer?

[quiet depot]

oki

[old wyvern]

I might switch it to use an engine pool, but wanted to get everything else ready first

[quiet depot]

what's an engine pool

[old wyvern]

Javet provides a way to pool runtimes

https://github.com/caoccao/Javet/blob/main/docs/tutorial/engine_pool.rst

[obtuse gale]

OFFICIAL MAPPINGS boiiiiiiiiiiii

for packages*

[quiet depot]

omg this is so ugly

[old wyvern]

🥲

[obtuse gale]

wtf is that

[old wyvern]

Casual microsoft

[quiet depot]

windows 11

[cinder flare]

really big custom icons

[obtuse gale]

piggy get that the fuck outta here

[cinder flare]

oh what that's windows 11

[distant sun]

idk what these are @obtuse gale

[cinder flare]

i thought that was Minidigger's Windows haha lmao

[quiet depot]

no i'm not watching

[old wyvern]

I wish they redesigned the UI, or atleast provided ways to actually customize them

[quiet depot]

kde

[old wyvern]

Yea but on windows

[cinder flare]

the stream has the maximum number of viewers

are you kidding me

[quiet depot]

he is steraming on twitch too

control panel still doesn't look good...

looks like windows has a built in gpu switcher now

like on linux

idk if windows had that already

u can use linux gui apps on windows now with wsl

[cinder flare]

bro what twitch

[quiet depot]

idk

[cinder flare]

that's already been a thing for like a month

[cinder flare]

then why do you keep saying it 🥲

[quiet depot]

#657736261662015489 message

k windows 11 doesn't look like that much of an update

definitely not deserving of a number

[old wyvern]

mhm

[cinder flare]

I think they're like fully getting rid of all the Windows 7ish UI elements

so it's a "fresh start"

[obtuse gale]

oh boy.... the mappings

this is gonna break so many plugins that reflect to nms

literally every single one

[distant sun]

windows 11 what

that doesnt sound good @obtuse gale ..

[obtuse gale]

tbh it's a change for good

it was bound to happen

but yeah every plugin that reflects to nms is broken

[distant sun]

what got changed though?

[obtuse gale]

you know how in nms everything used to be under net.minecraft.server.vX_XX right?

Well now we use the official packages mojang uses

[distant sun]

yeah, I heard that they will release the mappings or smth

[obtuse gale]

which is so much better organized

[rotund egret]

They got released years ago

[obtuse gale]

But spigot still used that

[cinder flare]

wait but how do you specify the version then

[distant sun]

that will affect only 1.17 and above, right?

[obtuse gale]

there is no version

[distant sun]

+1

[cinder flare]

what

[distant sun]

how so emily

[cinder flare]

how do you target legacy versions

[distant sun]

then why do you need different versions of your code for different versions of the game lol

[obtuse gale]

There is no version, it's just net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer, net.minecraft.server.dedicated.DedicatedServer, net.minecraft.server.network.chat.IChatBaseComponent

[distant sun]

because things doesn't work the same on all versions so you gotta find workarounds

[cinder flare]

so I support 1.12 in my plugin how...?

[distant sun]

I mean, you can still check the version on these versions, don't you?

[obtuse gale]

if it uses nms through reflection? you don't

[cinder flare]

bruh what

[obtuse gale]

yeah craftbukkit still has the .vX_XX package

but not nms, just craftbukkit

[distant sun]

alright and what if they change something on 1.18, how would you create two versions of your code now?

[cinder flare]

so this means all the NMS plugins are fucked?

[obtuse gale]

mhm

all of them

[distant sun]

bullshit

[cinder flare]

LP has to have distinct versions for each version now

?

[obtuse gale]

i don't think LP uses nms?

[cinder flare]

no way LP doesn't use NMS

[obtuse gale]

it's a change for good tbh

[obtuse gale]

I mean it has no reason to

[distant sun]

Im not saying it doesn't have good parts but now you will have a jar for <= 1.16.5, one for 1.17 one for 1.18 etc

[obtuse gale]

one for 1.17 one for 1.18
no, just one for 1.17+ unless there are breaking changes between those (which is the same still, if a method gets removed it would be the same as before, gotta update it anyway)

[cinder flare]

So there's just one API version at a time now?

[obtuse gale]

with this change we can entirely avoid reflection (for public stuff)

[cinder flare]

will older versions support the newer API?

[distant sun]

probably now

how do you use these mappings things

[obtuse gale]

yeah luckperms does not use nms Star

[cinder flare]

see I'm just watching the Minidigger stream and pretending I know what's going on

[obtuse gale]

just obc

[cinder flare]

Start 🥲

I see now though yea

[rotund egret]

Start

[obtuse gale]

:d

[rotund egret]

🤩

[obtuse gale]

just run build tools as usual and import spigot instead of spigot-api and you can see what's up

[rotund egret]

https://i.imgur.com/YsCTePE.png

Getting it going, hopefully this works out 😅

[distant sun]

oh is done by default? nice

[cinder flare]

running BuildTools

[distant sun]

yeah buildtools are annoying lol

[quiet depot]

https://extendedclip.com/spigot

we just updated it

latest spigot is on there

[cinder flare]

what a great service

[obtuse gale]

yo

[remote goblet]

the worldborder packet being removed is the biggest pain of my existance

[obtuse gale]

yooo

[old wyvern]

um

Isnt that illegal?

[cinder flare]

if only https://piggypiglet.me was that useful

[obtuse gale]

yeh hhhhhhhhh

[cinder flare]

just pray for no DMCA 🙂

we keep it on the down-low

[old wyvern]

lol

[quiet depot]

lol i don't think wolverness is coming out of his retirement to dmca us

[obtuse gale]

lmao

[old wyvern]

Cant mojang?

[cinder flare]

why would they

[old wyvern]

Im not fully sure what happened with bukkit

[quiet depot]

mojang were never the bad guys

[rotund egret]

At worst they'd get a C&D first, so it doesn't really matter

[old wyvern]

but wasnt it something similar?

[cinder flare]

it was wolverness who was the problem

so spigot rewrote all his contributions to avoid dmca

[obtuse gale]

idk man the whole legal status around bukkit is an entire clusterfuck

[distant sun]

so that's all, no more version specific nms / code?

[cinder flare]

and they made buildtools to distribute carefully

[quiet depot]

wtf

[cinder flare]

then paper said "fuck that, compiled jar"

[quiet depot]

says who

[cinder flare]

says them?

[quiet depot]

source

[obtuse gale]

yeah, meaning no more reflection

[old wyvern]

Oh wait @quiet depot , Im thinking we have further issues with jni based engines

[obtuse gale]

unless you need access private stuff but yeah

[distant sun]

but that doesn't answer my question, how do you implement two versions if something changes on 1.18?

[quiet depot]

check if a method exists

if it doesn't

[pallid gale]

md_cubed will get you though

[quiet depot]

use the other method that does

[old wyvern]

Only one classloader can load the same library at a time right?

[obtuse gale]

"something" such as?

[quiet depot]

yes otherwise there'd be a conflict

[old wyvern]

So, what if some other plugin tries to use V8

[distant sun]

we are talking about mc, emily

anything

[quiet depot]

papi uses a child classloader of its plugin class loader

[cinder flare]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/history-of-spigot/ maybe they didn't rewrite, though I thought they did

[distant sun]

a method gets removed, renamed, a class is being replaced by another etc

[obtuse gale]

Gaby if you needed to change something before, you would still need to change it now (that is method names, class names, fields, etc), with or without reflection, those changes you always needed to do

[quiet depot]

the classes of each expansion are never loaded into papi's classloader

[cinder flare]

seems they just did buildtools to dodge it I guess

[quiet depot]

a conflict isn't possible

[old wyvern]

I dont mean in the same classlaoder piggy

[quiet depot]

don't worry

it's not possible

simple as that

[rotund egret]

Hey piggy, do you have a example repo for this deployment site bychance?

[quiet depot]

mind rephrasing that question

maybe a bit more specific

not sure what you're asking

[cinder flare]

Do you have an example repo for this deployment site perchance?

[rotund egret]

https://reposilite.com/docs/deploy
Do you have an example repo that shows how this would be used in a gradle build script

[quiet depot]

ah ok

[old wyvern]

JNI's load library wasnt working when I loaded it into 2 separate classloaders

[quiet depot]

ah github repo

no I don't sorry

[old wyvern]

slimjar

[quiet depot]

I'm sure there's people in here that are knowledgable though

[steel heart]

<plugin>
    <groupId>net.md-5</groupId>
    <artifactId>specialsource-maven-plugin</artifactId>
    <version>1.2.2</version>
    <executions>
        <execution>
            <phase>package</phase>
            <goals>
                <goal>remap</goal>
            </goals>
            <id>remap-obf</id>
            <configuration>
                <srgIn>org.spigotmc:minecraft-server:1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:txt:maps-mojang</srgIn>
                <reverse>true</reverse>
                <remappedDependencies>org.spigotmc:spigot:1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:jar:remapped-mojang</remappedDependencies>
                <remappedArtifactAttached>true</remappedArtifactAttached>
                <remappedClassifierName>remapped-obf</remappedClassifierName>
            </configuration>
        </execution>
        <execution>
            <phase>package</phase>
            <goals>
                <goal>remap</goal>
            </goals>
            <id>remap-spigot</id>
            <configuration>
                <inputFile>${project.build.directory}/${project.artifactId}-${project.version}-remapped-obf.jar</inputFile>
                <srgIn>org.spigotmc:minecraft-server:1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:csrg:maps-spigot</srgIn>
                <remappedDependencies>org.spigotmc:spigot:1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:jar:remapped-obf</remappedDependencies>
            </configuration>
        </execution>
    </executions>
</plugin>

Piggy can this be done through pure gradle configurations or is a gradle plugin needed now?

[quiet depot]

tell me what it does

[old wyvern]

https://github.com/SlimJar/slimjar/blob/master/slimjar/build.gradle

[half harness]

maven central ftw 😎

[steel heart]

Tbf Idk myself but by the looks of it it's adjusted such that we can compile against the mojang mappings

[obtuse gale]

oooo remapping???

[quiet depot]

yugi even if that is a problem

[obtuse gale]

this sounds a shit load like forge and fabric

[quiet depot]

it sounds like it'd be impossible to get past

so don't worry

just do it

[old wyvern]

Alright

[steel heart]

yeah emily

did u read the second post in https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/spigot-bungeecord-1-17.510208/ ?

[cinder flare]

oh damn I did not

[distant sun]

alright, what about checking the version to know what implementation should choose? Just check for the class / method whatever got changed?

[cinder flare]

let's have a nice read

[quiet depot]

oh comp

paper guys are working on a gradle wrapper or something

idk that's what waffle said

ask waffle

he knows about this stuff

[steel heart]

ah okay nice

[quiet depot]

I've never cared about minecraft's internals so I don't know shit

[steel heart]

fair then

[cinder flare]

WOAH

Library Loader???

no need to shade dependencies???

[distant sun]

only for maven central though

[cinder flare]

well what isn't on maven central

that's where I get all my dependencies

[half harness]

i don't have to shade my lib anymore :))

[distant sun]

things that aren't

[cinder flare]

nothing that I use

[obtuse gale]

nms has no "version" package, you still check that with Bukkit.getServer().getClass()... because org.bukkit.craftbukkit still has the version package

although

minecraft does have a "gameversion" class

[quiet depot]

jda aint on central

[half harness]

well

[distant sun]

I see

[cinder flare]

luckily JDA is rarely a minecraft dependency lmao

[distant sun]

I guess we can live with that

[distant sun]

discordsrv

[obtuse gale]

also i don't recall no one ever using nms for checking the version

[cinder flare]

hence the rarely part

[obtuse gale]

always used obc for that and then get nms classes from it

[distant sun]

dont mind me, never really used nms so idk all the things about it

[obtuse gale]

oh lmao

[half harness]

accidentally misclicked a music mix and now these are everywhere on my recommendations 😩
it should know that if i watch a video for 1 second im not interested

[distant sun]

like, I thought minecraft itself had the vX_XX on their package, and now craftbukkit

[obtuse gale]

It pains us to say this every time, but NMS is not API.
this is as true as it can get honestly

[cinder flare]

why don't they provide a fully featured api then

[steel heart]

indeed

[distant sun]

I just hope things wont take years to update

[cinder flare]

that's the only reason people use NMS

[distant sun]

^

or paper

[cinder flare]

to keep up with the lack of spigot api

[obtuse gale]

almost daily we see people bypassing the API to do simple things such as Scoreboards, BossBars, or Particles
if you ever take a peek in the spigot discord, this is true

[cinder flare]

well I wonder why

[half harness]

deprecates legacy string 😩

[obtuse gale]

...

there is api for those star

[cinder flare]

how come people use NMS then

[distant sun]

I like when they say that spigot doesn't have a dev team that can do x, for instance xenforo addons, I guess the same applies for some spigot-api things

[cinder flare]

if it's easier to use their API

their API must be lacking in some way

[obtuse gale]

because they can't put two braincells together

that's why

[steel heart]

legacy missed a lot of stuff which I think people still believe is missing

[obtuse gale]

the api for those examples is not even complex or hard

[quiet depot]

some guy literally offered to pay for a developer to make a stripe addon

[distant sun]

md_4head

Imagine having a better place for developers and people, pfft, who needs that

[cinder flare]

they should make some nice tutorials or something to inform people about these APIs then

[distant sun]

@prisma wave work

[cinder flare]

the only way you learn how to do things is by googling and finding random spigot forum posts from like 2016 lmao

[steel heart]

Yeah there's a wiki site I believe

[cinder flare]

I ain't never seen it

[old wyvern]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/index/

[onyx loom]

The home of Spigot a high performance, no lag customized CraftBukkit Minecraft server API, and BungeeCord, the cloud server proxy.

[obtuse gale]

so it's easier to dodge a shit ton of hacky and broken things to use nms than to open the javadocs and search "scoreboard"

and dig through years old forum posts than to open the javadocs and search "bossbar"

[cinder flare]

searching the javadocs is a lot harder than you might imagine for someone who doesn't know what's going on

[distant sun]

so is nms lol

[obtuse gale]

i wonder what "createBossBar" means

[prisma wave]

Yup

[cinder flare]

surely someone could write some nice examples and explanations for all these cool apis

[obtuse gale]

that's what the spigot wiki is for

[distant sun]

you cant say that Class.forName("....").getMethod("..") is easier

[cinder flare]

@jovial warren the Paper bois are bullying Krypton lmao

[obtuse gale]

but if no one can be arsed to write them and you don't cooperate then don't complain about the lack of examples

[quiet depot]

what r they saying

screw it ima join just for this

[prisma wave]

I'd like to see anyone bully MineHraft 😌

[cinder flare]

they were talking about fabric and they were like "ah how's Krypton 1.17 coming?" and everyone went "oooooooh" "have you not heard of the best server implementation?"

[obtuse gale]

"shit i wonder what all these methods named "spawnparticle" do"

surely they don't spawn particles

imma use nms

[half harness]

[cinder flare]

okay Im just saying emilyy

you google "spigot how to do bossbar"

you get NMS forum answers

[prisma wave]

Hahahahahahahahahahhaha

[onyx loom]

its not advertised as the best tho

[obtuse gale]

codedred 🥲

[static zealot]

BBG don't listen to them. Krypton is great

[onyx loom]

only as a fast, lightweight server 🙂

[obtuse gale]

and the first non-video result i got uses api

[half harness]

also

[cinder flare]

yeah true I just didn't expect a Bardy shoutout in the high and mighty Paper discord

[half harness]

why doesn't bardy use ktor

just curious

[prisma wave]

Any attention is good attention ig

[cinder flare]

an example, I did not test, that's just from my own experience

no bully please

[prisma wave]

or whatever the expression is

[obtuse gale]

"spigot how to do action bar" does mention nms but they suggest the api

[cinder flare]

okay i get it emilyy im dumb

just saying that's the experience I had

[half harness]

oof

[half harness]

don't challenge emilyy 🥲

[obtuse gale]

anyway

time to build 1.17 pog

[cinder flare]

i know, a classic mistake

[obtuse gale]

oh buildtools has new options for the mappings thing

[distant sun]

nik3

[jovial warren]

wait what?

[obtuse gale]

read the nms section https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/spigot-bungeecord-1-17.510208/#post-4184317

[jovial warren]

https://i.imgur.com/OODvDgt.png never actually thought I'd ever see the day where md_5 even mentions Kotlin, let alone suggesting you can use the library loader to grab it at runtime

[old wyvern]

I think he got sick of being bullied xD

[jovial warren]

probably

[prisma wave]

sHaDe kOtLiN iNtO sPiGoT

[old wyvern]

Waiting for Haskell bindings 😄

Bm

[prisma wave]

yo yo

[old wyvern]

up for a bullying session sometimes?

We gotta make this happen

[prisma wave]

bullying md5?

[old wyvern]

for Simon!

[prisma wave]

I'd love to 😌😌

[old wyvern]

😌

[prisma wave]

I introduced someone in paper discord to haskell and MineHraft earlier

They seemed impressed

Gonna try and finalise elara spec tonight too

[old wyvern]

😮

[jovial warren]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/compare/diff?targetBranch=7e29f7654411f0a17ebbcc2c3f6a7dfe93bff39e&sourceBranch=refs%2Fheads%2Fmaster&targetRepoId=11#src/main/java/org/bukkit/entity/EntityType.java so Spigot does break backwards compat sometimes

[onyx loom]

u know ur times up when u get this message 😭 😭 😭

[old wyvern]

😌

Imagine not having 2 licenses

[onyx loom]

u got os license too?

[old wyvern]

yea

[onyx loom]

pog

[old wyvern]

big pog

[onyx loom]

add me to ur os license pls 🥲

[old wyvern]

I think you need some work on the repo as well, lemme confirm

[obtuse gale]

that's just.... an addition?

[onyx loom]

yeah u do

i promise ill contribute !!!

[obtuse gale]

he added the new mob types..?

[old wyvern]

https://github.com/SlimJar/slimjar/issues

[onyx loom]

🥲

[old wyvern]

Ill check the jb rules

one sec

uh, not sure where I can edit/add people

[lost edge]

Anyone know where I can find the 1.17 spigot java docs? Or have they not been created yet?

[obtuse gale]

same page as always

[old wyvern]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/

[obtuse gale]

bukkit 🤮

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/index.html

[onyx loom]

lol im only joking anyway, dw about it xd

[jovial warren]

yeah but it breaks backwards compat because it changes the enum ordinals

[old wyvern]

lol

[old wyvern]

Seems like the same destination

[obtuse gale]

oh lmao

[lost edge]

AH its just google that fooled me

[jovial warren]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/compare/diff?targetBranch=7e29f7654411f0a17ebbcc2c3f6a7dfe93bff39e&sourceBranch=refs%2Fheads%2Fmaster&targetRepoId=11#src/main/java/org/bukkit/GameEvent.java first time I've ever seen proper registries in Bukkit

[old wyvern]

yea google probably caches that for a bit

[obtuse gale]

yeah, bukkit being as old as the game itself does not help with migrating (separating item types from block types, making those & materials registries, making entity types registries, sounds, particles, etc)

the only thing in LP that does not work is commodore :Sadge:

[rotund egret]

That's my group

[jovial warren]

separating item types from block types? what?

[obtuse gale]

yeah that's what MC does, you should know that already

[cinder flare]

you have 2 weeks left to live

[jovial warren]

yeah ik, I thought you meant Bukkit was doing that

[onyx loom]

so sad

[obtuse gale]

no, i'm saying that would be part of the migration

[onyx loom]

ill be a peasant soon

[obtuse gale]

and i believe choco has a branch for that

[jovial warren]

should I move Krypton over to using registries then?

if everyone else is now

[obtuse gale]

enums are very constraining

[old wyvern]

Just pull a java 9 and say fuck everyone and make changes that break the best of your libraries

[jovial warren]

they almost removed sun.misc.Unsafe in Java 9

[cinder flare]

I mean we already have a version split so... what's the worst that could happen?

[old wyvern]

yea

[old wyvern]

3 major version levels

1.8, 1.16, 1,18+

[obtuse gale]

18 pepega

[jovial warren]

gimme an example of where I could be constrained by an enum

just out of curiosity

[obtuse gale]

how would one add support for custom biomes/dimensions/whatever (supported by vanilla with datapacks) if they are an enum

[jovial warren]

true

[obtuse gale]

datapacks seem trivial to us but they are a huge game changer

[distant sun]

^

[jovial warren]

I do want to make Krypton have support for adding new things with the API if you want to use a modified client

[distant sun]

does the game support this already? Through nms or whatver

[jovial warren]

vanilla kinda does

you probably shouldn't reflectively access the private methods that allow you to add new entries, but you can

[obtuse gale]

i have found the worldedit api more similar to the core game than bukkit xD

[jovial warren]

I kinda wanna look now so I can see what I can steal xD

[obtuse gale]

in terms of registries, not the whole editsession and all that lmao

[dusk holly]

Stupid robot

🇱🇷 🇱🇷 💯 💯

[jovial warren]

is the API in worldedit-core?

[dusk holly]

yeah!

[obtuse gale]

for the most part yea

[dusk holly]

wow im so good at this

[obtuse gale]

the only reason you use the platform ones is to adapt worlds, locations, block types, etc to the worldedit ones

[jovial warren]

yeah

that's unusual though, usually the API is in its own abstraction layer module

[obtuse gale]

i mean that what you'd use as a dependency

obviously it does the whole plugin loading, commands registering etc

but it's almost all abstracted as api

[jovial warren]

ah

thinking about plugins doing stuff right though, and stuff I kinda wanna put in Krypton, I'm really considering revamping the permission system in Krypton to make it more like LuckPerms' node-based system

[ocean quartz]

Oh shit optifine working fast

[onyx loom]

ayyy

[obtuse gale]

yeah, they took a shit load of time for 1.16 though

idk why lmao

[onyx loom]

i remember that yeah

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[onyx loom]

took them like over a month

[old wyvern]

Its a single person I think

[old wyvern]

not a team

[cinder flare]

yeah he was a little tired

[ocean quartz]

MD intensifies

[cinder flare]

took him a bit

[old wyvern]

xD

[cinder flare]

but he had a single red bull for 1.17 and here we are

[old wyvern]

the optifine guy got an offer at mojang at one point, but declined to due some agreement issues

Or atleast thats what I understood from his post prior to 1.16

[ocean quartz]

Imagine optifine built in

[distant sun]

F

[ocean quartz]

We can dream

[onyx loom]

lol

[ocean quartz]

Oh boy finally time to update java_home

[onyx loom]

that emoji is 😌 but it looks like some depressed emoji instead 🤣

[cinder flare]

I mean I hear optifine is like a piece of crap code-wise

[obtuse gale]

😔

[cinder flare]

Didn't work originally with a lot of mods and stuff

Though would probably fit with Mojang's existing code lmao

[old wyvern]

Oh btw, is anyone aware of where the default gradle version intellij sets up for the wrapper is provided?

[ocean quartz]

No idea how the code is, but it runs much better than vanilla and looks better too

[cinder flare]

Probably gradle settings in the IJ settings page

[old wyvern]

It keeps generating 6.5 for me with some testCompile configurations so the initial generation screws up

[cinder flare]

True but imagine if we had Phosphor, Lithium, Starlight maybe built-in

Much better and much cleaner codebase

[ocean quartz]

But they lack a lot of optifine features 😩

[old wyvern]

I did check there, couldnt find anything to select a version

[ocean quartz]

Tbh give me better grass option and i'm fine

[cinder flare]

combined the only thing they don't do is GLSL shaders I think

better grass is so trivial to implement lol

[onyx loom]

zoom feature is a god send

[cinder flare]

There are plenty of zoom mods on fabric

[onyx loom]

i hate playing on original mc, it just feels so weird without it

[cinder flare]

I'm just saying for the performance aspects, the Fabric suite are probably much better coded and run better too

[ocean quartz]

Original mc is ugly af

[obtuse gale]

there's an spyglass now 👀

[cinder flare]

ew

no thanks

[ocean quartz]

😌

[obtuse gale]

spyglass + fov 30º hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[cinder flare]

would be better if it was a linux directory

[obtuse gale]

wait is it even in this version? or will it be in part 2?

[cinder flare]

/usr/bin/jdk-16.0.1

[errant geyser]

Linux masterrace

[ocean quartz]

Nah i don't like linux for normal uses, server is fine though

[cinder flare]

bruh what

it's so hard to do a lot of things on Windows

[errant geyser]

I see you've chosen death Matto

[cinder flare]

bash is my one true love

[boreal needle]

i have an addiction to ricing

[cinder flare]

especially if you only play minecraft

[ocean quartz]

Never had any problems with windows or anything that was "hard" to do

[obtuse gale]

LUCY

[boreal needle]

on windows you can change one single accent colour and that's about it

[cinder flare]

i have an addiction to thinking about ricing, I just never actually do it

[cinder flare]

that's because you're not a linux user

[boreal needle]

do it

[cinder flare]

you don't know what you're missing

[ocean quartz]

I am, on server

[errant geyser]

Kali :(

The betrayal

[onyx loom]

no.

[cinder flare]

Powershell/CMD are garbage compared to bash'

[cinder flare]

yeah but you're not used to it for daily use

[boreal needle]

matt, have you ever discovered the wonders of a tiling window manager

[ocean quartz]

Yeah that's fine but i don't need that for anything

[cinder flare]

any time I have to do something in CMD I want to commit death by toaster bathtub

[boreal needle]

^^^

[cinder flare]

making a symbolic link is even difficult

[boreal needle]

ls isnt a thing either

[cinder flare]

WSL eases the burden, but doesn't solve it

[onyx loom]

can we get that moo plugin thingy on windows @boreal needle 😄

[rotund egret]

@quiet depot
Got it to work, thanks for the suggestion 🙂

[cinder flare]

what, you don't like dir? 🙃

[boreal needle]

with msys32

[onyx loom]

that was epic

[cinder flare]

I'll admit, WSL and Windows Terminal have eased a lot of the burden

[cinder flare]

but for developing for C/C++ as well, absolutely terrible on Windows

[gusty glen]

there is a program that makes it super easy

[boreal needle]

ignore the crappy wip rice

[cinder flare]

see but I don't want a program

I rarely do it

[boreal needle]

tbf theres one on linux too

[cinder flare]

and it's never as easy as ln -s /first/dir /second/dir

[boreal needle]

we call it ln

[gusty glen]

it adds on the context menu

[boreal needle]

what if no gui

[cinder flare]

I don't want it on the context menu

plus I'm using gentoo, so I can compile for only the things i need 🙂

[jovial warren]

symbolic links are annoying to find out how to do

[gusty glen]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-smile-ok-happy-gif-14150032

[cinder flare]

not on linux 😉

[cinder flare]

my context menu is already so long

I do not need something I do every few months on there

[jovial warren]

yeah on Linux they're easy, on Windows they're really annoying to do

[boreal needle]

my context menu doesnt exist :D

[gusty glen]

https://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/linkshellextension.html 😌

[onyx loom]

lol