dev-general

[static zealot]

and cliffs

to jump from

[steel heart]

1.17 is out aye

[onyx loom]

holy shit my pc cant even handle 32 render distance on 1.17 sadge

i was legit getting 30fps

[obtuse gale]

wait until we get the 2nd part that stretches the world vertically lol

[onyx loom]

[obtuse gale]

that's gonna be insane for performance 🥶

[onyx loom]

axolotl

[half harness]

in 1.8 hypixel i get 110 fps in 32 render distance 😍

[onyx loom]

shut up

[half harness]

well by "in hypixel" i mean in a bridge game where its all void

in lobby i get like 10-15 fps

[weary epoch]

visual studio > eclipse > IJ

@prisma wave tutorial when?

[weary epoch]

lol

[prisma wave]

maybe soon possibly

[weary epoch]

bruh

cap mojorly

[prisma wave]

Don't bruh me

[weary epoch]

bru

bru

[prisma wave]

Do it yourself

[weary epoch]

I woud

but im gooboo at it

and the point is so i can watch it

code::blocks > IJ

CLion > IJ

[onyx loom]

ah yes, because u can compare clion and ij

[weary epoch]

yeah

of c

[onyx loom]

theyre literally the same thing

[weary epoch]

nahhhhhhhhhhh

[onyx loom]

except one for c languages and one for java

[weary epoch]

IJ 👎 😹

elara IDE ftw

i fucking hate CB

the compiler is ass

but i cant use anything else cause it just crashes cause poop pc

[jaunty maple]

papi 1.17 wen

:kappa:

[weary epoch]

nah fuck cb

i give up

[half harness]

cb?

[weary epoch]

codeblocks

its for C and C++

[half harness]

uh

[weary epoch]

for geometry dash

[half harness]

i hope ur joking

[weary epoch]

nah im serious

[half harness]

ok

[weary epoch]

eclipse is elite

[half harness]

ok

[weary epoch]

that compiler

is elite

[half harness]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weary epoch]

you can build with errors

thats like 100% better than IJ

[half harness]

skript is better

smh

imagine using java

java bad

[weary epoch]

like everyone wants errors

java just trash brainfuck is the best

[half harness]

i haven't coded in java in a while

[prisma wave]

hahahahahahaha

imagine coding on the JVM 🤣

[weary epoch]

same

imagine not making a calculator in Assembly Language

and it not taking like 15 hours

im jk

i hate assembly

i would never waste my time on that

although if you are making a real calculator assembly is good for it

[onyx loom]

🤨

[prisma wave]

main = do 
  a <- readLn :: IO Int
  b <- readLn :: IO Int
  op <- getLine
  print $ case op of
      "+" -> a + b
      "-" -> a - b
      "*" -> a * b
      "/" -> a / b

easy 😌

[weary epoch]

ah yes

assembly

[onyx loom]

that is infact assembly, yes

[weary epoch]

elara is super weird

[prisma wave]

close enough

if u squint

[weary epoch]

its like c witht he operators

but its also high level

[prisma wave]

sir that is haskell

although

[weary epoch]

oh

[prisma wave]

new elara is quite similar

[weary epoch]

it looks like elara

[onyx loom]

:thonk`

[weary epoch]

but either way isnt ASM

[prisma wave]

ehhhh

[prisma wave]

.

[weary epoch]

ASM calculator is like 200 lines of code

[prisma wave]

beta

u just let a dead language walk all over you huh?

i bet you enjoy it as well

[weary epoch]

?paste

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Paste Services
When asking for help with a config/menu/code issue please use our paste bin:
(we prefer it over pastebin.com)
• HelpChat Paste - How To Use

Requested by: encription • paste

[obtuse gale]

@prisma wave

tomorrow

is the day

[weary epoch]

https://paste.helpch.at/ijuvexesin.coffeescript
this is an assembly calculator

[prisma wave]

cant wait!

[prisma wave]

loser

[obtuse gale]

geeeee

i'm excited

[weary epoch]

🥲

[prisma wave]

@old wyvern any idea why a.b = 3 compiles in ghci?

but you can't do something like print (a.b)

[ocean quartz]

And graphic settings of ps1 games

[half harness]

yes

[ocean quartz]

Pain

[half harness]

https://github.com/flouthoc/calc.asm/blob/master/calc.asm
found the github :))

[prisma wave]

strong as an oxen? hah! strong as eight oxen maybe!

[gusty glen]

what is the diff between https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ and https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/ ?

[obtuse gale]

For what?

Oh boy you don't know about this

You'll see tomorrow

!!!!

[jovial warren]

can someone get me the 1.17 launcher meta please if you don't mind? 🙂

[obtuse gale]

Why not tell me

[jovial warren]

I just need the <version>.json file lol

[obtuse gale]

Can't ruin the fun!!

???? If it’s 1.17 spigot I could care less lol

[jovial warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw&t=75

[static zealot]

get it from where? I've got no idea where I can find it

[jovial warren]

get it from the client

download the new 1.17 client version and go to .minecraft/versions/1.17 and then give me the 1.17.json file

[static zealot]

1 minute then. lemme get it

[obtuse gale]

Oh no not at all

It's far more exciting

[static zealot]

welp nvm then

[jovial warren]

thanks kali

[obtuse gale]

Tomorrow, BM's nitro will expire

And something magical will happen

[obtuse gale]

We’re going on that date in Argentina? That shit would be magical for me

[prisma wave]

not if i get there first

[obtuse gale]

!!!

There’s always a spot for me 🙂

[jovial warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/763371060887945226/851881096324972604/HTisMpC.png lol

[ocean quartz]

@old wyvern Huh, did you know about the platform stuff?
https://github.com/SlimJar/slimjar/issues/20

[static zealot]

🥲

@quiet depot what did u say u use to connect to ur vps/server/etc.? Was it openssh?

[prisma wave]

probably

[static zealot]

yeah found a message saying that's what he uses

we'll I'll take a look at what it is, what it does and how it works

[steel heart]

BM

[prisma wave]

Yo

[static zealot]

BM

[prisma wave]

Yo

[ocean quartz]

Yo

[static zealot]

Yo

[onyx loom]

Yo

[obtuse gale]

Yo

[prisma wave]

"i go to dev general for the exciting conversation"

passionate and exciting

thought provoking

[obtuse gale]

Tomorrow it's gonna be exciting !!!

[prisma wave]

oh it is!

[static zealot]

yes. tomorrow is Wednesday. exciting day of the week

[onyx loom]

what the FUCK is happening TOMORROW

[prisma wave]

oh you'll see

[obtuse gale]

Oh boy!!!!

[static zealot]

well mostly what happened today

just different

[obtuse gale]

1.17 is nothing compared to what's happening tomorrow

[static zealot]

atoms will still share electrons between each others, the sun will probably still be in the sky

[ocean quartz]

👀

I am curiosity

[onyx loom]

1.18 tomorrow 👀

[static zealot]

well what's funny is that 1.17 actually released with the axolotl glitch

even tho it was known it existed

talking about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5rn9osknVg

[ocean quartz]

Mojang releases 1.17.1

[static zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/unicorn-cute-fart-rainbow-fart-gross-gif-17668232

[obtuse gale]

That must not be fixed

[static zealot]

I agree. Its more like a feature now that I think about it

how nice

[ocean quartz]

I can't get that to happen to me 😠

[forest pecan]

So you guys know deluxeasycjoinplugin right

[old wyvern]

Yea I just saw it an hour ago

I had seen bardy have an issue with it trying to resolve adventure bom earlier but then forgot about it

Does the platform function alter the dependency object in some way?

[ocean quartz]

I'm actually not sure, i didn't event know that was a thing until i saw the email

[old wyvern]

yea i didnt give it much thought either xD

[ocean quartz]

I might search a bit about it in a sec

[old wyvern]

alrighty

[sly sonnet]

omg i missed so much while not upgrading to a grater java verison...

int numLetters = switch (day) {
    case MONDAY, FRIDAY, SUNDAY -> 6;
    case TUESDAY                -> 7;
    default      -> {
      String s = day.toString();
      int result = s.length();
      yield result;
    }
};

[obtuse gale]

weird ass formatting lol

[steel heart]

yield discriminated by discord 🥲

[gusty glen]

can I get opinions? https://github.com/SecretX33/ZapChest

https://i.imgur.com/1165bWg.mp4

[obtuse gale]

on anarcho-capitalism..?

[gusty glen]

haha, unfortunately no, just on the project

[sweet cipher]

The project? I thought that was a secret?

[static zealot]

well it looks pretty cool

[gusty glen]

It's open source

[sweet cipher]

Do you want opinions on the code or what the project does?

[gusty glen]

both? or any of the two

[static zealot]

please link your github to ur discord account. ty

also link the project here

[gusty glen]

how and why

[sweet cipher]

It is

[static zealot]

oh wait u gave link

I'm blind today

[prisma wave]

written functionally 😌

well done sir

[sweet cipher]

It would be bad if it did not function

[static zealot]

bcz I want to go to ur profile without having to search your message history for your last mention of it and maybe just find out its not even your profile

[gusty glen]

ok, how do I do that

[prisma wave]

hahahahah yeah imagine not writing functional code 😌

double entendre

[static zealot]

Settings > Connections

also when you don't want to show a connection, discords allows you to just hide it instead of having to remove it which is nice

[gusty glen]

done

[static zealot]

ty

[ocean quartz]

Oh god (get(), get(), get())

[gusty glen]

Koin attacking, can't do anything about that

[ocean quartz]

Come on Koin you can do better 😩

[distant sun]

Lol what

[onyx loom]

get get get

[sweet cipher]

give give give

[static zealot]

take take take

[ocean quartz]

Koin doing koin things

[distant sun]

Lol

[gusty glen]

just don't mind SQLite class, I just stolen it from another project I've done and slapped it there, eventually it won't contain stuff that is not related with the current project

[old wyvern]

get get egt

[prisma wave]

Hello

[obtuse gale]

YES

YES

YEESSSS

@obtuse gale !!!

[obtuse gale]

@ocean quartz @onyx loom !!!!!

[forest pecan]

YES

LEGEND

LETS GOOO

[prisma wave]

this is a special day

A truly special day for all people across the world

We may have different views, different race, different genders, different favourite languages

[old wyvern]

What?

[forest pecan]

Yes!

[prisma wave]

But we can all come together to appreciate this special day

[old wyvern]

oh

[prisma wave]

😌

[old wyvern]

weeb mitten

[forest pecan]

owo

[prisma wave]

uwu

[obtuse gale]

@obtuse gale what what

!!!

[prisma wave]

hello my darling bomp

[forest pecan]

Bomp

[obtuse gale]

hello my fellow weeb

[forest pecan]

I love you

[obtuse gale]

love you too

[old wyvern]

Harambe

[forest pecan]

🥰

[ocean quartz]

Omg

[steel heart]

Guys dont try ctrl r, your guy conclure alr did it

[prisma wave]

nice one

[obtuse gale]

nice got a good reload in

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pom-weeb-cheer-gif-14967084

[obtuse gale]

wait yo whats this special day

[ocean quartz]

Oh shit so spigot is actually moving to Java 16 as well nice

[prisma wave]

Sex day

And coincidentally also weeb day

[obtuse gale]

too bad im 12 years old

dont know what sex is

[forest pecan]

I will show you

[obtuse gale]

what :3

lmao

[steel heart]

lol

[half harness]

xD

[obtuse gale]

everyday be weeb day

all im saying

[prisma wave]

every day is weeb day for the foreseeable future

Until someone caves and buys me nitro to change it back

[ocean quartz]

Oh yeah, you're a weeb? Name every anime

[half harness]

why do you need nitro

[prisma wave]

Uh

hentai

[obtuse gale]

lol just buy nitro

[prisma wave]

I could say the same to you

[prisma wave]

Ew no imagine spending money on a chat app

[half harness]

why do you need nitro to change pfp?

[obtuse gale]

i aint stressing over 8 dollars haha

[prisma wave]

i am

my income currently is approximately $0

cuz school, no time / effort to work

so

You gotta grind elsewhere

Blackmailing people online with femboy profile pictures is definitely a respectable hustle

[obtuse gale]

invest baby

hit a big lick and invest

[prisma wave]

cba

[winter iron]

whats the general ETA on paper releases after Minecraft updates

i can imagine it be longer than most updates since 1.17 is big dick

[onyx loom]

this is not a good thing.

[ocean quartz]

Wdym? It's the best thing!

[onyx loom]

no.

[cinder flare]

Probably the millisecond spigot releases

[winter iron]

pog

[onyx loom]

wheres paper hard fork 🌞

[winter iron]

I also have an issue

[cinder flare]

Right

[ocean quartz]

Paper sometimes take some time because spigot breaks stuff

[winter iron]

should i explain my issue?

[cinder flare]

Let's take spigot out of the equation

[onyx loom]

no we are mind readers

[winter iron]

Ok

so you see my problem?

what can i do

im thinking i just delete the entire project

[onyx loom]

yeah well I think you should consider using a reflective inverted bimap implementation as your current system should declare an interface with a more clearly defined contract and you should really be splitting your 4 line method into 8 different classes for the Single responsibility Liskov principle which you learn about in Section 7 of Advanced Java course

[winter iron]

then the issue is gone

i have 2 plugins, 1 use playerlauchprojectevent from paper and the other uses launchprojectileevent from spigot. When i cancel the event in the paper bases plugin, the event in launchprojectevent is never thrown in the spigot based plugin

wtf do i do

[steel heart]

The single responsibility liskov principle

sounds buzzy

[winter iron]

im in dire need of some assistance with my above query

i could just use the launchprojectileevent in both plugins

but that makes me sad

also an unrelated question

doesn entity death event catch when an armor stand is removed by the /kill command

or how can i detect that

if an entity is removed

how can i check before it gets removed

or cancel it

for certain entities

[quiet depot]

yes i use openssh client

[winter iron]

SolarPutty 🙂

[quiet depot]

tf is that

[winter iron]

the best

[quiet depot]

it’s bad

[winter iron]

no its good

[quiet depot]

why

[winter iron]

cause its yellow

[quiet depot]

you don’t need a fancy gui application for ssh

change my mind

[winter iron]

its got tabs

🙂

[quiet depot]

it’s not like git where there’s lots of functions and things

it’s ssh…

you do like one thing

ssh into servers

[winter iron]

i guess its better for me since i have multiple servers to ssh into

[quiet depot]

same

[winter iron]

just easier to manage

[quiet depot]

How

[winter iron]

cause its a fancy gui

[quiet depot]

on windows I just had buttons on my taskbar that I could click, and it’d connect me to my servers

all pure openssh

[winter iron]

i stick to my statement that SolarPutty is better cause its yellow

[quiet depot]

i can change my terminal colour to yellow

[winter iron]

dead

[quiet depot]

https://youtu.be/0maWbr0FHKY

i don’t see any caves or cliffs…

yeah wtf I don’t think there’s any caves or cliffs in that trailer

apart from 1 scene

is there even anything new shown in the trailer?

i thought mc already had all the stuff they’re showing

[half harness]

termius 😌

[quiet depot]

termius is good

for phone

[half harness]

😒

[cinder flare]

kitty gang

also yeah putty is okay, but I have started to prefer WSL ssh commands

[obtuse gale]

:3

[cinder flare]

I mean in general I am in love with cats, but also as a terminal emulator

[obtuse gale]

api.manchas.cat

[cinder flare]

I won't hate you if you use alacritty, but kitty is where it's at

[obtuse gale]

Visit ^

[cinder flare]

😮

it's so cute!

[obtuse gale]

https://api.manchas.cat

https://api.manchas.cat

[cinder flare]

now I'm sad that I don't have a cat

[obtuse gale]

Turbo pls

Smh

[cinder flare]

inb4 emilyy gets banned for spam

i thought they were cute tho

[obtuse gale]

Well not if they are the same 2 pictures over and over lmao

[cinder flare]

you can change the number if you go to your web browser

[obtuse gale]

But yeah, manchas ❤️

[obtuse gale]

Yeah you can just go to api.manchas.cat and it'll pick one at random

idk how many pics there are

Turbotailz pls

[cinder flare]

should I get a cat and register it as my emotional support animal

cause I don't think my apartment allows pets

but they can't stop me if it's registered!

[obtuse gale]

Really? 👀

Yes

Do

And take good care of it :3

And it'll take good care of you uwu

[cinder flare]

see but I'm also irresponsible and I've never had a pet before

[obtuse gale]

Oh don't worry

[cinder flare]

so I feel like I'm not a great candidate for pet owner

[obtuse gale]

You'll stress out terribly

But that's with all pets until you learn how to love that particular animal

Though the stress won't go away 🥲

[cinder flare]

time, whether permanent or temporary, whether belonging to Resident, guests or others.
Violation of this section shall provide Owner with the following remedy: Resident agrees to pay
the Owner a Fine of $150.00. Resident agrees to be responsible for the cost, both labor and
materials, of replacing ALL carpet & pad in the premises upon Owner’s request. Violation of this
rule constitutes a violation of the lease which cannot be brought into compliance and is grounds
for EVICTION.```

I feel like it's not gonna happen

[steel heart]

hi

[obtuse gale]

:<

[cinder flare]

it's listed twice in the regulations actually

maybe I need to live on the street with my cat companion

[obtuse gale]

Oh

I can live with you if you go on the streets

[cinder flare]

ah nice maybe we can get an apartment together that allows cats

[obtuse gale]

Ap- what?

https://api.manchas.cat/44

ouo

[eternal compass]

🥲

[ocean quartz]

F

[cinder flare]

F

[obtuse gale]

Hah nerd

[eternal compass]

._.

admittedly 1.5k members is pretty small for verification, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest pecan]

we should make a plugin

that replaces your server jar to a paper server

if it using spigot

but that seems actually super hard tho lol

[cinder flare]

now that's smart

[forest pecan]

Oh i know

modify the byte code of the spigot jar

and make it call a command to run the paper server

big brain

[obtuse gale]

we should just make it delete all of spigot 😛 boom solved

[eternal compass]

not really, just find the root jar name, download paper, and boom

[gusty glen]

@forest pecan lol u genius, I want that so badly

[obtuse gale]

how you gonna download paper?

[cinder flare]

wget

[obtuse gale]

lol

[forest pecan]

uh.. how you gonna replace it bro

its runtime

[cinder flare]

just reboot the server

easy

[forest pecan]

Nah

[cinder flare]

./start.sh

[forest pecan]

we gotta make it stealth

you know

like pissing at the side of toilet

that type of stealth

[cinder flare]

ah yea yea

[obtuse gale]

spigots been a rat this whole time were fucked

all my money

[forest pecan]

Yes

[eternal compass]

You just gotta manually apply the patches at runtime

[steel heart]

Python good, Lombok good, maven good, Java good and HTML is a programming language

[obtuse gale]

Python good
Java good

okay but

[eternal compass]

This man really wants it

[obtuse gale]

what about both of them together

jython tho

kinda hot

[eternal compass]

Jython

Jytml on top lol

Java python markdown language

[forest pecan]

yeah good luck doing that lmfao

easier said than done

especially during runtime

[eternal compass]

Or juat crash the server

[forest pecan]

#dev-general message

[eternal compass]

Say spigot compiled successfully, restarted

[forest pecan]

thats way too obvious

lmao

[cinder flare]

i did it bois

praise the sun

gentoo has been booted

[obtuse gale]

ok

[obtuse gale]

Who’s gentoo

[prisma wave]

gentoo deez nuts

[obtuse gale]

Alr buddy present

[cinder flare]

linux distro

[jovial warren]

BM's a weeb again

[steel heart]

@prisma wave I desperately need your wiki link

[prisma wave]

wiki.bristermitten.me

[steel heart]

http://wiki.bristermitten.me/1-17-spigot-eta-omegalul

Like that?

[cinder flare]

I think wiki.bristermitten.me is having an outage

[lost forge]

^ It is

[winter iron]

When you do a contains on values in a map, it just makes a collection and loops over the values right?

[lunar cypress]

please elaborate

[winter iron]

dw

im just on some dumb shit

[obtuse gale]

BiMap

[eternal compass]

Anyone here still have faith in humanity? I'm kinda all out lmao

[obtuse gale]

LMAOO

[errant geyser]

inb4 2 subs

[eternal compass]

probably lol

(For context I make a few plugins for like 60k subscriber youtubers)
but idk what this guy think's hes doing

even if he had 10m I aint doing nothing for him

[obtuse gale]

"I created the ticket, now start working"

[eternal compass]

he also created a normal ticket, then a commission ticket, and closed both after like 2m

[errant geyser]

Thank god I don't make plugins anymore

Enjoy dealing with that one

Probably complain to you in a minute about "no customer service" or smth

[eternal compass]

Idgaf what he says lol
I even gave him a logical response about "Money" and "Rudeness" and if he becomes hostile I can just kick him :p

[obtuse gale]

In the end, it's you who decides taking it or not

[eternal compass]

oh I thought I could just say "Make Plugin" and it just happened

@obtuse gale make me a plugin that gives me stuff when I crouch now.
ping me when its done

;p

[quaint isle]

So my friends company naming conventions explicitely forbid using terms like "master" or "blacklist" because it's considered politically incorrect

Are they snowflakes or is that really a thing ?!

[eternal compass]

well it is politically incorrect technically

all stems from US slavery

"Master" and "Slave" node?

[obtuse gale]

I mean "master" explicitly refers to "master" and "slave" so..

[eternal compass]

and blacklist / whitelist, why is white keeping in and black keeping out?

[obtuse gale]

inb4 Minecraft renames the whitelist command :p

[quaint isle]

I mean, I can understand the master thingy. I've got a bunch of repos that simply use main for their masterbranch. but is there a commonly used alternative to blacklist / whitelist?

[obtuse gale]

Not that I'm aware of (haven't had the need to use them anyway so I never did any research either), although I myself am a bit more reluctant to that one over master/slave

[eternal compass]

redlist / greenlist

[errant geyser]

White is seen as good because of religion and brightness and light and whatever, black is seen as bad because of darkness and death and whatever. Source: every English teacher ever. Doesn't have to be related back to race.

[obtuse gale]

Includes/excludes?

[eternal compass]

yeah that one's not as bad, but people still think it stems from racism

[cinder flare]

I think those censorships are stupid tbh

[errant geyser]

As do I

[quaint isle]

It's just sometimes weird to see from a Europeans perspective because some of the things people come up with feel a bit far-fetched. But I guess it's more extreme in the US. We have our own problematic phrases and terms over here 😄

[obtuse gale]

I don't think it's stupid for master/slave

[errant geyser]

I can sort of understand master and slave, but white/blacklist is a bit of a stretch

[obtuse gale]

I mean that is literally in the name

[cinder flare]

I definitely do, those are very useful terms in the audio world at least

[obtuse gale]

Reason why I'm reluctant lol

[cinder flare]

and for cameras as well

What's the alternative to master/slave that describes the same relationship?

[eternal compass]

well atleast that one's being phased out since USB existed. before that cables were Master/Slave aswell

[quaint isle]

Yeah, slave is clearly negatively connoted while colors generally aren't

[eternal compass]

worker / main?

[obtuse gale]

employer/employee

[cinder flare]

worker/main definitely does not connote that one is in charge of the other

[obtuse gale]

pepela

[cinder flare]

employer/employee is just dumb

master/slave perfectly describes the relationship

and same with whitelist/blacklist

[eternal compass]

master/worker?
master isn't necicarily bad, unless its meant to be the opposite of slave

[obtuse gale]

therefore slavery good 🤡

[cinder flare]

the whole point is that there is one primary thing in charge of other things

[eternal compass]

who reacted with good fingerguns? 👀
I reacted with the sad ones

[cinder flare]

worker does not necessarily mean that the master is in charge of it, and also is just barely sidestepping the issue

[eternal compass]

worker is similar to slave though, without the connotation

[cinder flare]

hardly

[eternal compass]

ehh

I don't think that's true

workers aren't in charge

the master is

[cinder flare]

if I ask you what does this worker flash light mean

what does that mean it does

that it works?

now if I say that this light is a slave, you know that something else tells it when to fire

[obtuse gale]

@titanic

[cinder flare]

The people getting mad about this stuff are not the people who are actually "impacted" by it

[eternal compass]

I feel worker would be close enough considering how awful what it's relacement is

[eternal compass]

yeah ik lol

[quaint isle]

What about the word subordinate. wouldn't that work? 🤔

[cinder flare]

I still don't think worker works

I guess subordinate works but that's quite wordy and long

[quaint isle]

true

[cinder flare]

Plus you have to consider all the equipment that currently uses these naming conventions

[eternal compass]

mostly because the development community is pretty segregated

[cinder flare]

millions of audio systems and photography stuff uses it already and it's not gonna change unless you buy a new one

[eternal compass]

or not segregated but you know

[cinder flare]

segregated wtf

[eternal compass]

well yeah, its gonna take time

[eternal compass]

idk what word

[cinder flare]

it's never gonna happen

[eternal compass]

:p

worth a shot, no? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cinder flare]

no, I don't think so

it's replacing perfectly fine terms that normal people don't care about with worse terms

i stg if someone asks me to implement an Allow-List instead of a whitelist

[obtuse gale]

I don't see how "main" or "primary" is worse than "master"

[cinder flare]

Master connotes that it is in charge of other things

main just means the primary one

doesn't mean that it controls others

[eternal compass]

master isn't the issue

[obtuse gale]

it's the relationship between the two

[eternal compass]

it can be changed, yes. but the real thing that needs changing is slave

[obtuse gale]

inb4 star supports slavery

[cinder flare]

i do not obviously

[eternal compass]

too late

I'm kidding

[cinder flare]

i support the usage of terms that make sense for their connotation

a master clock is literally controlling the clocks of the slave devices to it

[lunar cypress]

I think slave is a weird term

Master on its own isn't

[cinder flare]

I really don't think it is

[quaint isle]

Well it can't hurt to change terms for the better over time. But people gotta chill and not go out and cancel everyone that doesn't comply to the new convention in a matter of months

[cinder flare]

Maybe in software terms

But in audio and photography, I don't see any better alternatives

[lunar cypress]

For slave?

[cinder flare]

yes?

I would be 100% fine changing the terms if they meant the same thing

[eternal compass]

I think Master -> worker is fine. you know which one is in charge

[cinder flare]

worker means nothing on its own

[lunar cypress]

What

That is some nonsense

[cinder flare]

you're just putting slave into a synonym generator

That is some nonsense?

What does a worker clock mean

Does that mean the clock works?

[lunar cypress]

"Worker means nothing on it's own" ah yeah never heard the term worker thread before

[cinder flare]

Maybe in software development

[eternal compass]

it means that it's a clock that does stuff by itself, but doesn't make decisions

[cinder flare]

But it doesn't do stuff by itself

[lunar cypress]

Isn't this about software development? Ah wait this is dev general, mb

[cinder flare]

Well I'm talking about audio and photography since those are areas I am familiar with that use these terminology

I am happy to swap terms if there is an equivalent or better term

But all I've heard so far are poor synonyms for slave

[lunar cypress]

I don't care about photography or audio and all I was saying was in reference to development

[cinder flare]

Ah okay yeah I'm fine with that

the primary branch on github doesn't need to be master, main works just fine

[lunar cypress]

Yeah

Although again with master the slave relationship doesn't come to my mind

Rather like master key

That's what it sounds like to me

[cinder flare]

yeah I don't really get the master/slave thing for development very much

it's primarily in devices that control other devices

[errant geyser]

Yeah GH renaming that didn't make much sense to me as you would intentionally have to make a slave branch if you wanted to, which if it bothered you that much, you wouldn't anyway

[obtuse gale]

Ah wait this is dev general
https://media.tenor.com/images/cf8bda6ae91a2c87a01a108f897a22d5/tenor.gif

[cinder flare]

yeah and a slave branch is weird lol

[prisma wave]

Oh my

Dev general getting spicy

[rotund egret]

🌶️

[prisma wave]

Of course I miss the interesting discussion

[obtuse gale]

classic dev-general

[gusty glen]

can't "master" means just "principal" (think Spanish here, emilly) when talking about objects?

[quiet depot]

idk man I just use master because that's what it is

I'm not switching to main just because a bunch of snowflakes decided to get offended by a completely unintended meaning they extrapolated out of thin air

[cinder flare]

i think it does it for you on new repos

[quiet depot]

yeah

they changed the default

I think u can configure it tho on github

there was a good alternative for whitelist/blacklist I saw when people were talking about this on reddit ages ago

can't remember it obviously but I just remember there being a good alternative lol

[cinder flare]

better be good

[prisma wave]

permitted / denied maybe

[cinder flare]

i guess that one doesn't matter that much, it's just that everyone already knows what blacklist/whitelist means

[quiet depot]

The problem is people are just looking at this word and going "omg that word was used in slavery" without caring about the actual meaning of the word with context

[ocean quartz]

Wait till you see people complaining about "blacklist"

Oh

You had just mentioned it

[quiet depot]

and then they think they're doing the world a service by saying "i'm going to call my branch main"

[cinder flare]

yeah and it's only white people lmao

[ocean quartz]

I didn't read lmao

[cinder flare]

nobody who was actually affected negatively by slavery or any of that

[quiet depot]

it's like mums on facebook doing 10 push ups and then patting themselves on the back, to fight cancer

[cinder flare]

or "sending prayers" lmao

[prisma wave]

Yeah I feel like this doesn't really solve anything

[quiet depot]

it's just fucking stupid and useless

which is why I purposely still use master

my little act of rebellion to say fuck you to these snowflakes

[lunar cypress]

epic libtards destroyed 😎

[prisma wave]

lol

[cinder flare]

lol

[prisma wave]

I mean politically I'm pretty liberal but this just feels like virtue signalling on github's part rather than actually solving a real problem

[cinder flare]

oh yes it very much is

this is a non-issue

[obtuse gale]

i mean on VCS it's not like the "master" branch controls the other branches, hence why they aren't named slave, it is the "default" branch, the primary branch, the main branch
in other systems sure it does have a sense to it being named the way it is

but tbh i couldn't care less about the name of the default branch

or just do like enginehub and name it "7.2.x" :^)

[lunar cypress]

imagine getting angry at a bunch of people using main instead of master because "that doesn't solve anything" and calling yourself still using master an "act of rebellion"

[prisma wave]

im not saying the latter

[quiet depot]

no I was

[jovial warren]

master > main

[prisma wave]

the only reason I have mine set to master is because of muscle memory, I don't really care what the name itself is

[jovial warren]

I have mine set to master because that's what it's mostly always called, and that's what I'm used to

[cinder flare]

Several people are typing...

[quiet depot]

I mean I'm not saying main doesn't make sense

[jovial warren]

it is the master branch

well, Git calls it "default", but it's still the master branch

it's the centre of the Git tree

[lunar cypress]

"centre of the Git tree"

[quiet depot]

if anyone is interested this tweet from one of the original git developers describes the naming https://mobile.twitter.com/xpasky/status/1272280760280637441

Petr Baudis (@xpasky)

@yawaramin @billygriffin22 @codervandal @natfriedman @Una @github "master" as in e.g. "master recording". Perhaps you could say the original, but viewed from the production process perspective.

A clueless Central European youngster whose command of English was mostly illusory came up with the term, which is why it isn't very obvious...

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Twitter · Jun 14, 2020, 9:32 PM

[cinder flare]

ew I hate seeing centre

[prisma wave]

the thing I take issue to is when companies do tiny things like this and then act like they've solved racism or something

[boreal needle]

does it really matter that much

its a git branch

[prisma wave]

not at all

Indeed

[lunar cypress]

btw it's possible to critisise this decision and how it's purely aesthetic and kinda pointless but still not act like a chud over it

[quiet depot]

I'm not angry at people for using main, most people using main probably don't care about any of this and just use it because that's the new default, and that's perfectly fine. Bm's opinion aligns pretty well with mine:

the thing I take issue to is when companies do tiny things like this and then act like they've solved racism or something

[obtuse gale]

main is objectively better

it's shorter

pepela

[cinder flare]

but is shorter always better?

cause if so, thank god

[boreal needle]

less buttons

[obtuse gale]

🥲

[rotund egret]

I did feel very weird about windows git changing the naming despite the backlash, they even blocked commenting on their repo, felt weird.

[lunar cypress]

you didn't direct your anger at companies though, but at "snowflakes"

[quiet depot]

github are the snowflakes

[obtuse gale]

therefore microsoft

[lunar cypress]

github has a contract with the fucking ICE, they're doing shit against racism and of course this is all just a bunch of nonsense lol

[obtuse gale]

therefore big companies

[prisma wave]

Yeah precisely

[cinder flare]

github has a contract with ICE wtf

to do what

[prisma wave]

That's what I dislike about stuff like this

[quiet depot]

well idk man

it is what it is

tbh I forgot that all this happened

[ocean quartz]

Companies doing stuff like that always reminds me of things like this

[quiet depot]

lol

[prisma wave]

Yeah that's exactly the type of thing

it's pretty obvious they couldn't care less

[boreal needle]

the companies doing the whole pride thing is complete bs ngl

[prisma wave]

Ofc it is

[boreal needle]

"we don't hate gay people!"

what a marketing strategy

[ocean quartz]

More like "we also want money from gay people"

[quiet depot]

out of curiosity

[cinder flare]

I mean it's better than them hating gay people right

[quiet depot]

has something happened this year to make pride month so more prevalent?

[boreal needle]

nope

[prisma wave]

don't think so

[quiet depot]

because I honestly didn't even know it was a thing

I've never heard of it before

then suddenly this year rainbows are everywhere

[boreal needle]

they've been doing it for years

[rotund egret]

Every june

[ocean quartz]

That screenshot I sent was from like 2018 or so, it's been a thing for a while

[quiet depot]

maybe I've just been ignorant

I swear I've never noticed it

[prisma wave]

Pretending to care whilst doing things like the Chick-fil-A stuff is worse than doing nothing

[rotund egret]

Every June since like 1969 (citation needed)

[quiet depot]

yeah I've read up on it now

[cinder flare]

better than like 30 years ago though

[prisma wave]

sure, that's not thanks to the corporations setting a rainbow profile picture though

[cinder flare]

very true

i just mean as a sign of the times, it's kinda nice to be embraced by corporations

[prisma wave]

ehhhhh

[boreal needle]

they're not embracing anyone

[cinder flare]

they're embracing your wallet

[boreal needle]

it's literally all marketing bs

[prisma wave]

^^

[rotund egret]

In fairness there's an argument to made about brands using their awareness to advertise acceptance. Regardless of what the reason for it is.

[cinder flare]

well duh

but at least it's for acceptance exactly

[quiet depot]

perhaps this conversation is more suited for #off-topic

[prisma wave]

That's about as useful as "thoughts and prayers"

[boreal needle]

they only do it in the places where it's already accepted anyway thooooooooo

[rotund egret]

Not quite

[prisma wave]

^

[obtuse gale]

no

this is #dev-general

this is the place

[prisma wave]

https://c.tenor.com/tMT1R_dfec4AAAAM/yes-chad.gif

No.*

[obtuse gale]

lol

[lunar cypress]

see but that's the issue I take with those discussions. It almost always goes down the road of only focusing on the superficial thing they try to represent. We can all agree that company X is hypocritical, but the conclusion to draw from that is not that pride month is "wrong", for example.

[prisma wave]

of course not

I had hoped I wouldn't need to clarify that obviously I'm not against pride month or anything

[boreal needle]

pride month is great

its like 30 days but more gay

what's not to love about that

[obtuse gale]

therefore, you are against pride month and a homophobe

/s

[prisma wave]

maybe it could be argued that like zod said it's spreading awareness, but that's really the bare minimum you'd expect from a company claiming to "care"

[boreal needle]

:O bm how dare you!

#cancelbm

[prisma wave]

sorry

no pls

[lunar cypress]

Just saying this to clarify what my problem is with this usually

[obtuse gale]

companies are the pinnacle of comedy in regards to all this

in regards to any kind of "awareness"

[lunar cypress]

because eventually those topics get coopted by reddit neckbeards

[prisma wave]

Yeah it's unfortunate

ok chat dead

[cinder flare]

no just you

[jovial warren]

BM ffs is your repo down

[prisma wave]

Was gonna make another point but I realised I cba

ah

Maybe

[jovial warren]

-_-

[prisma wave]

My vps might be bored

[cinder flare]

yea bm your wiki is down homie

[prisma wave]

Borked*

1 sec

[jovial warren]

the latest dev build just failed because it couldn't find a dependency I published there smh

[lunar cypress]

Oh if you check the VPS check whether the poll bot has caused any trouble

I don't know on how many servers it is used lol

[prisma wave]

🥶

hopefully not

[jovial warren]

wait what happened?

[quiet depot]

do you guys share a vps?

[cinder flare]

maybe BM is just a generous boi

[lunar cypress]

no, I'm a parasite

[quiet depot]

interesting

[lunar cypress]

I do have an own VPS but it's currently pretty much at its limit and I don't have a domain

I can hopefully transfer the bot soon

[cinder flare]

I don't know what to do with my vps

[quiet depot]

what's the specs

[cinder flare]

lemme check

4GB ram 4CPU cores

[prisma wave]

That's interesting, poll bot still seems to be working

[quiet depot]

is that ur only vps?

[cinder flare]

ye

[quiet depot]

just run any old dev setup

[cinder flare]

such as?

[quiet depot]

jenkins, repo, sites, email, db, etc

all the good stuff

[cinder flare]

i mean like, github ci, github, github, gmail, my own computer

nothing I'd need on another computer

[quiet depot]

then why do you have a vps

[cinder flare]

i dunno i felt like i wanted one to try stuff out on

[quiet depot]

lol

[cinder flare]

but then i had nothing to try out

and i don't have any services to run

i wish I made cool things

[quiet depot]

like what

there's lots of cool things that can run on a vps

[cinder flare]

i dunno docdex

or whatever cool stuff you guys make

[quiet depot]

things are always needed by other people

a year ago we thought a bot to see javadocs would be a good idea

so i made a bot to see javadocs

[lunar cypress]

lmao

[quiet depot]

try figure out what people need

and make it

[cinder flare]

but i don't know what people need

[lunar cypress]

malding

[quiet depot]

well it'll come eventually

you just gotta keep an eye out for something that could be made

[cinder flare]

hmm maybe

right now I just need a pretty linux setup

[quiet depot]

last time I tried to install a kde theme i broke everything

[prisma wave]

@jovial warren should be back up now

That means the wiki is back too 😌

[cinder flare]

Bardy is back up? very nice

[boreal needle]

how?!

honestly thats impressive

[quiet depot]

because all the good ones make you install "kvantum" and a bunch of other shit

[prisma wave]

Literally 1984

[boreal needle]

you just install the packages

get everything through ocs

make the thing do the thing

[quiet depot]

ocs?

[cinder flare]

not if you're on gentoo >:)

[quiet depot]

what

[boreal needle]

sounds like a you problem

[cinder flare]

hehe

[quiet depot]

elaborate

[boreal needle]

kde store, you press the install button and it does it for you

[cinder flare]

see I didn't compile my kernel with support for KDE, so it ain't happenin

[quiet depot]

but what about kvantum

[boreal needle]

arch btw

[prisma wave]

we are being oppressed and forced to install external packages to make our themes work

[boreal needle]

kvantum is just a normal package on any sane distro

[prisma wave]

this is what orwell was warning us about

[quiet depot]

i haven't read the book

i have the book

haven't read it

[cinder flare]

you can download binaries in gentoo as well 🙂

[prisma wave]

me neithee

[cinder flare]

it's a good book

[prisma wave]

Basically if something is bad it's 1984

[cinder flare]

but completely unrelated to whatever the fuck you're talking about

[prisma wave]

If something is good it's based

[boreal needle]

imagine compiling your own kernel

[quiet depot]

not this based shit again

[rotund egret]

based 1984

[cinder flare]

don't have to 🙂

[boreal needle]

you sound like that cringe kid from spigot a few months ago

yochran or whatever his name was

[prisma wave]

based and kvantumpilled

[upbeat nexus]

does deluxechat work with luckperms suffixes?

[boreal needle]

yes

[quiet depot]

yes

[cinder flare]

yes

[prisma wave]

Not sure what you're talking about

[upbeat nexus]

how do i get that to work?

[cinder flare]

yes

[boreal needle]

#general-plugins

[upbeat nexus]

simply isnt giving the suffix

[quiet depot]

no you remind me of that guy that thinks "squad" means something it doesn't

the guy with the anticheat

heretere

also the guy with the lombok is good list

[cinder flare]

what else could "squad" mean

[prisma wave]

still not sure what you're talking about

[quiet depot]

well no one knows what you're talking about either with your 1984 shit

[upbeat nexus]

sorry guys i mean deluxetags*

[lunar cypress]

lmao

[rotund egret]

You mean the book?

[quiet depot]

yes

[prisma wave]

i am sure some people do

[upbeat nexus]

does deluxetags work with luckperms suffixes?

[prisma wave]

The real ones™ will get it

[lunar cypress]

greg orwin 1989

[rotund egret]

no

George Orwell

[cinder flare]

alduos huxley brave new world

taht one right

[quiet depot]

nah zod definitely greg orwin

[rotund egret]

😦

[quiet depot]

@upbeat nexus would've thought it'd depend on your chat plugin

[lunar cypress]

ur wrong brother

[cinder flare]

never heard of 'im

[upbeat nexus]

it simply wont add the suffix ;/

[prisma wave]

#general-plugins

You are getting awfully close to being asked what your thoughts on monadic IO are

And trust me neither of us want that

[quiet depot]

have you guys seen those memes where the mum says "we have blank at home" then it shows a picture of the blank at home and it's just fucked

[cinder flare]

or your thoughts on gene gorgwoll's book 1999

[rotund egret]

Oh yeah like 2 months ago when they were relevant

[prisma wave]

Yes I have been on instagram before

[quiet depot]

yes

[cinder flare]

dude that's from like 3 years ago at least

[quiet depot]

these words you people are speaking would fit that format very well

[cinder flare]

yes

[rotund egret]

We have based at home

[prisma wave]

Based and monoidpilled

[quiet depot]

not those words

those words don't belong anywhere

[rotund egret]

We have 1984 at home

We have bacon at home

Bacon at home
@quiet depot

[quiet depot]

yes

[lunar cypress]

Pig is a boomer from the outback

[quiet depot]

probably

[prisma wave]

redpilled

[cinder flare]

pig lives on big spider island

[willow yew]

@prisma wave I missed you

[boreal needle]

australians are just spicy british people

[prisma wave]

Who the heck are you

[cinder flare]

more crazy words though

[quiet depot]

is this arthur

[lunar cypress]

rude

[cinder flare]

he said I liked spigot

[prisma wave]

doubt it

[willow yew]

I got banned on my disc dude lol

[cinder flare]

absolutely disgusting

[willow yew]

It’s Bomp

[prisma wave]

Oh no

[cinder flare]

it's bomp lmao

[quiet depot]

lol

[prisma wave]

Surely not

What has happened to you

[lunar cypress]

who is bomp

[cinder flare]

who let this guy back in

[willow yew]

They said I didn’t reach the age requirement likr what?

[prisma wave]

long story

[cinder flare]

wait are you 13

[willow yew]

No banned like off discord literally

[prisma wave]

Wait are you actually 12

[willow yew]

Not off help chat

Fuck no I’m 20

[prisma wave]

@obtuse gale ☹️

[cinder flare]

did you put your age in like backwards

[willow yew]

They want a picture of me holding my id

[prisma wave]

A tragic loss

[willow yew]

I think it’s sus

[boreal needle]

was he the guy that thought the jcf wasn't oop

[willow yew]

Like they tryna figure out who I am for some reason

[prisma wave]

jcf ?

[rotund egret]

Just have a pic of your ID holding you

[cinder flare]

jcf?

[prisma wave]

Sounds like 1984 to me

[quiet depot]

smh

[boreal needle]

java collections framework

is that not a thing?

[prisma wave]

ah

[willow yew]

Sounds like the fbi on my case

[prisma wave]

Yeah that was the one

[rotund egret]

Yo 1984 really sus, thats straight based and red pilled

[cinder flare]

you mean 1852?

[quiet depot]

lucyy I've actually heard that too

I've got no clue if it's true or not

[willow yew]

Like my card was on there too?

[lunar cypress]

huge if true

[quiet depot]

I need to consult effective java 3rd I feel like that's where I heard it from

[prisma wave]

bomp has said some quite entertaining things in the past

[lunar cypress]

collections framework is a mess

[willow yew]

I meme but just know I’m Bomp

[prisma wave]

Yeah I think we can all agree there

[lunar cypress]

and it violates the liskov substitution principle

[prisma wave]

classic

[cinder flare]

good ol' lisky

[prisma wave]

Was it even around back then?

[lunar cypress]

yes

lol

[quiet depot]

I think solid principles are older than java
EDIT: nope solid came around 2000 it seems, but like johnny said liskov itself is older

[willow yew]

Didn’t I argue that java collections break oop lol

[lunar cypress]

Liskov proposed it in 1988

[cinder flare]

1984?????

[rotund egret]

Isn't static technically against OOP?

[cinder flare]

knew it

[rotund egret]

I feel like I read that somewhere

[lunar cypress]

And I feel like it's still misunderstood by some people here

[willow yew]

I believe so there’s nothing object oriented going on at that point

[prisma wave]

if only there was a paradigm that actively encouraged static 😌

[willow yew]

I will be the paradigm

[prisma wave]

can you change your pfp back at least

i miss the purple monke

[quiet depot]

bm can you change yours

[prisma wave]

hahahaha no

[quiet depot]

why is weeb back