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cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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yea

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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😎

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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short walk

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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mhm

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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day trip maybe

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Absolutely

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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watch out for the sea monsters!

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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FlashBeat

steel heart Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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@forest pecan why did u mail

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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(they bite)

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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steel heart <@347005619825278976> why did u mail

wait

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is that bad

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Watch out for the aliens

steel heart Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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U’re supposed to apply through forms

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Google forms

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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lmao

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Wait

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what

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isnt it apply@spigotmc.org

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🥶

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uh oh

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 12:18 AM

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🌞

steel heart Jun 5, 2021, 12:18 AM

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cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 12:18 AM

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may

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 12:27 AM

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Wtf is wrong with youtube

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 12:28 AM

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yes

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 12:28 AM

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old wyvern Wtf is wrong with youtube

i watched that

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i feel concerned now

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 12:29 AM

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😷

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 12:41 AM

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quiet depot yes

You liar

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You googled it

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 12:41 AM

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no

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 12:41 AM

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Yes

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 1:00 AM

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I also found this recently, very interesting reading

3. What is a help vampire?
Sometimes you may hear people being called out for being “help vampires”, to understand what members are talking about then, please refer to: https://web.archive.org/web/20181124221026/http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/eoc/help_vampire.htm

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Oh now that you mention that I saw this video the other day talking about that

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Let me find it

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 1:02 AM

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https://wiki.bristermitten.me/what-are-helping-vampires-and-why-they-are-bad

What Are Helping Vampires And Why They Are Bad

This guide talks about What Are Helping Vampires And Why They Are Bad

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||Like Masked is doing right know||

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 1:03 AM

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Lol

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https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 1:04 AM

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u got me on that one... the face

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 1:05 AM

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:^)

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 1:05 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-yugi-exodia-anime-card-game-gif-17959980

Tenor

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^ rick

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 2:39 AM

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🥲

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i hate wildcards

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 2:42 AM

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same

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 3:04 AM

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what about going back to Java 4

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no generics = no wildcards

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just Objects

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 3:08 AM

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How about Java 1

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 3:26 AM

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was there a java prerelease

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java .7

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 3:28 AM

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hold on a second...

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if Java 1.8 = Java 8

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then Java 1.0 = Java 0???

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:00000

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 3:35 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-gif-11131691

Tenor

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:48 AM

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hello i am here emilyy

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@obtuse gale

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:48 AM

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@obtuse gale

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:49 AM

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yes

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@obtuse gale

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:50 AM

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hey can you use maven for languages other than Java

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like can I host my C binaries on reposilite 🥲

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:51 AM

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don't believe so

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:51 AM

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oof

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:51 AM

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but to answer your question more specifically

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yes you can use maven for other languages

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:51 AM

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oh nice

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:51 AM

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like you can use maven as a build tool for other languages

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but yikes if you do

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:51 AM

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just stick to CMake?

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:51 AM

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stick to the right tool for the job

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:51 AM

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that's the C boi if I remember

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:52 AM

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there's multiple c compilers

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:52 AM

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well yeah gcc or LLVM

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but that's the build tool

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Make/Cmake

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:52 AM

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oh thought cmake was a compiler

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i know make is a build tool

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didn't realise cmake = make

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:52 AM

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i think C make is like make but with more?

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not sure

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:52 AM

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with more make

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and more c

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:53 AM

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exactly!

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:53 AM

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I see c developers using make on java every now and then

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:53 AM

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CMake is a generator of buildsystems. It can produce Makefiles, it can produce Ninja build files, it can produce KDEvelop or Xcode projects, it can produce Visual Studio solutions```

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:53 AM

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They're like "I don't need these fancy build tools like maven and gradle"

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:53 AM

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then they cry

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when they can't do anything useful

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:53 AM

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yes

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:53 AM

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sorry wtf is KDEvelop

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i like KDE but they've gone too far

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:53 AM

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so I kinda can't wrap my head around this whole inject/registerables/bindings/whatever thing

in the PlaceholderAPIPluginData i have this List<Binding<?>> and a package private getter
according to what you said earlier I would need to pass the bindings to the InitialModule and (I presume in configure()) do I go over all the bindings and bind them to their respective instances?
does this automagically tell guava "hey, if this type is in a constructor, provide this instance"?

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:54 AM

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probably a kde ide ig

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https://www.kdevelop.org/

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:54 AM

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🤮

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:54 AM

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that looks like eclipse lol

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:54 AM

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why does everything have to be so white

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:54 AM

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hm

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:54 AM

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have they not learned

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:54 AM

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kde developers make an ide

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kde developers make a desktop environment for linux

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and they don't even use linux for their ide

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:55 AM

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wdym

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that looks like it's on linux

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it even has Konsole

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:55 AM

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obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:55 AM

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https://www.kdevelop.org/sites/www.kdevelop.org/files/2016-08/kdevelop-darktheme.png

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:55 AM

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wait which picture is that pig

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:55 AM

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second down

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:55 AM

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oh yeah the second one is obviously windows

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you can tell by the top bar

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:55 AM

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unacceptable

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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the headliner is linux tho

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and it's ugly as sin

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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sin aint that ugly

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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why is that TODO have a dark orange background and orange text

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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yes

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emily what did you actually want

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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kotlin programmers: let's add k in the name of every project
kde devs:

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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obtuse gale so I kinda can't wrap my head around this whole inject/registerables/bindings/wh...

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quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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ah

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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yoooo they support Solaris

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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tell ya what

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:56 AM

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time to go back to my Sun worshipping bois

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:57 AM

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I can't understand your words

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so push and link

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:57 AM

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🥲

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:57 AM

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haha

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:57 AM

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no pls

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once it's on the internet there is no way back

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my shame will be forever

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:57 AM

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it'll really help my explanation if I can see your attempt

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:57 AM

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it's okay emilyy we can help you

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maybe ill actually make a PR for once

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:57 AM

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also generics suck

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:57 AM

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who am I kidding, I'm not going to

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 4:58 AM

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obtuse gale also generics suck

have you heard of Java 1.1

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:58 AM

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I don't even use that many generics in papi

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apart from in the keyable system

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but you shouldn't be touchinng that

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:58 AM

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in the PlaceholderAPIPluginData i have this List<Binding<?>> and a package private getter
this bit you get I presume, right?

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:59 AM

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yes but it's all part of the parcel

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still push it

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:59 AM

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I pass that list to the initial module, then is this okay?

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:59 AM

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quiet depot still push it

NO

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 4:59 AM

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why is my shit underlined

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:59 AM

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obtuse gale 🥲

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the for loop I added btw

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:00 AM

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where are the <?>

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binding has a type parameter

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:00 AM

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quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:00 AM

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you need to do a generic fuckery voo doo

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and yes that is the technical term

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:00 AM

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lol

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i mean it's not crucial for there tho but okay

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:00 AM

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not crucial

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but gets rid of the warnings without suppression

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:01 AM

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does it?

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?

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:01 AM

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that's not a generic fuckery voo doo

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i will show you how to do a generic fuckery voo doo

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:02 AM

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thing is getKey returns a Key<? super T>

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because getClass ig

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 5:02 AM

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Oh boy

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:02 AM

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idfk

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 5:02 AM

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Please show us the generic fuckery voo doo

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Generic<? super FuckeryVooFoo> 🥲

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:05 AM

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bindings should be a set btw not a list

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binding order does not matter and we definitely don't want duplicates

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:05 AM

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ah okay

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bindBinding(Binding<T> binding)

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:07 AM

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no

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maybe

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:07 AM

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yes

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:07 AM

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it's internal who cares

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:08 AM

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okay so second part of the q

does this automagically tell guava "hey, if this type is in a constructor, provide this instance"?

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:09 AM

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well

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no

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because guava has absolutely nothing todo with this proces

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:10 AM

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guice

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ffs

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:10 AM

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obtuse gale kotlin programmers: let's add `k` in the name of every project kde devs:

insert Google adding g

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:10 AM

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what it DOES do though is tell the injector from guice, that this class we're binding (a key, which contains a type and optionally an annotation) will always correspond to this instance

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for as long as we're using this injector or a child of it

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this instance will never change

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and everytime we annotate a field or a method with @Inject

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and that field is of the type the key specifies, or the method contains a parameter of the type the key specifies

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guice will supply the instance to it

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 5:11 AM

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obtuse gale *insert Google adding `g`*

insert Java adding j

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:11 AM

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tl;dr your job should be done u can go back to the fabric binding now

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:11 AM

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i c

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:D

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:13 AM

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@obtuse gale does binding have any factory methods?

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:14 AM

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Binding.bind 👀

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lmao

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it had an ew public constructor

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had

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:15 AM

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bind isn't an appropriate factory name

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dw

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leave it

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i'll create proper methods eventually

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:15 AM

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okay okay I'll name it of or between

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:15 AM

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ones that mimic the registerable bind methods

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of

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https://github.com/PlaceholderAPI/PlaceholderAPI3/blob/master/common/src/main/java/at/helpch/placeholderapi/guice/objects/Binding.java#L35 tf is this used for

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:16 AM

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idk lmao

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i yeeted that

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it just makes no sense

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:16 AM

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yeah idek what that does

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might've just been for debugging at one point and forgot to remove

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https://github.com/PlaceholderAPI/PlaceholderAPI3/blob/master/common/src/main/java/at/helpch/placeholderapi/bootstrap/framework/Registerable.java anyway ideally binding would have all the factory methods registerable has

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:28 AM

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also what's the PlayerFunctionProvider all about?

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:28 AM

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it provides functions

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for Player

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:29 AM

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woooooooooooooooooooow

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:29 AM

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that's its sole purpose

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:29 AM

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do all "PlayerKeyNames" need to be added?

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:29 AM

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no

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:29 AM

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ah okay

distant sun Jun 5, 2021, 5:29 AM

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player.quack()

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:30 AM

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because when doing this i found out that the "health scale" is purely a Bukkit construct

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it's not a thing in the actual game

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:30 AM

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i swear sponge has it

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and nukkit

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:30 AM

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nukkit is bukkit on chinese steroids

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sponge also has it yes

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:30 AM

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then just make it for fabric

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:30 AM

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but it's not a thing in vanilla

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fabric is mostly vanilla except for the mixins

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which is where the modding comes in

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also do you have a checkstyle file or something I can slap on this?

quiet depot Jun 5, 2021, 5:31 AM

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no

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checkstyle can't handle my style

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without custom code

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:32 AM

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smh

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 5:36 AM

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he's just too stylish

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 6:46 AM

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someone ping me if it's correct: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8258-intellij-haskell

JetBrains Marketplace

IntelliJ-Haskell - Plugins | JetBrains

Haskell language support.

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is this the correct / haskell plugin that y'all use?

jovial hearth Jun 5, 2021, 6:47 AM

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can i know if this is my id egg's alt#1612

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 6:47 AM

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jovial hearth can i know if this is my id egg's alt#1612

yes it is

jovial hearth Jun 5, 2021, 6:47 AM

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gusty glen yes it is

ok mr secret

sly sonnet Jun 5, 2021, 6:47 AM

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gusty glen yes it is

This is your account id: 709858840023400590

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 6:47 AM

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sly sonnet This is your account id: `709858840023400590`

how th do you get this info

sly sonnet Jun 5, 2021, 6:48 AM

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right-click on user profile

sly sonnet Jun 5, 2021, 6:49 AM

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gusty glen how th do you get this info

if you don't see copy id option, go into advanced account settings and enable developer mode

jovial hearth Jun 5, 2021, 6:50 AM

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ty mr wxip

sly sonnet Jun 5, 2021, 6:50 AM

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no problem

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 7:33 AM

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mixins pog

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Man it's so satisfying not having to do nasty ass reflection and janky workarounds

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 8:11 AM

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gusty glen someone ping me if it's correct: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8258-intel...

That one kinda sucks

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It's usable but quite buggy

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VSC plugin is a lot better

steep cargo Jun 5, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Can someone please tell me why this doesn't work? Basically every user can see the message even without the permission

        for (Player player1 : Bukkit.getOnlinePlayers()) { // Gathering all the onlinePlayers
            if (player.hasPermission("sneaky.staff")) { // If player has permission then
                player1.sendMessage(Color(message)); // Send message
            }
        }```

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 12:14 PM

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steep cargo Can someone please tell me why this doesn't work? Basically every user can see t...

you're checking the wrong player's perms

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you're checking player, not player1

steep cargo Jun 5, 2021, 12:15 PM

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ohh you're absolutely right

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Thank you buddy😅

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 12:15 PM

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np 🙂

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Are static factory builders generally preferred over the class builders?

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 1:13 PM

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I feel like this is a threat

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Or maybe they're trying to be encouraging

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you can speak Arabic

potent nest Jun 5, 2021, 1:15 PM

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forest pecan Are static factory builders generally preferred over the class builders?

static factory builders? thonking

frail glade Jun 5, 2021, 1:16 PM

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prisma wave Or maybe they're trying to be encouraging

He's your Duolingo.

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 1:17 PM

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potent nest *static factory builders*? <:thonking:379541184697204736>

Like for example

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MyShit.create(some arg) opposed to MyShit.builder().setArg(some arg).build()

steel heart Jun 5, 2021, 1:20 PM

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I mean those are kinda used for different things

potent nest Jun 5, 2021, 1:20 PM

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The first is a static factory method, the second is a builder.

I'd say there's no generally preferred pattern, it rather depends on what you're doing. For 1-3 parameters, static factory methods are fine, but if you want more and especially want to have default values, you'll have a lot of overloaded methods vs one method per parameter using the builder pattern

jovial warren Jun 5, 2021, 1:23 PM

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forest pecan `MyShit.create(some arg)` opposed to `MyShit.builder().setArg(some arg).build()`

okay, one thing I don't agree with there is using the set prefix for builder methods

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MyShit.builder().arg(someArg).build() would be better imo

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 1:24 PM

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yeah set seems redundant

steel heart Jun 5, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Pulse if you have a class which uses many different dependencies then a builder may be beneficial to increase readability and maintainability. The normal factory method is often preferred over a normal instantiation (new Blah() vs Blah.create()) because it limits you from extending it and it the create method basically says here is an instance of Blah, you don’t have to care about what subtype of Blah it is.

jovial warren Jun 5, 2021, 1:25 PM

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this is the one thing where I agree that the get and set prefixes are bad

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 1:26 PM

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steel heart Pulse if you have a class which uses many different dependencies then a builder ...

ic

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 2:05 PM

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@obtuse gale If you need help with the fabric papi hit me up blurryeyes

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 3:02 PM

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to run haskell, do I have to install all of those?

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:05 PM

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You technically only need the first one

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Which is like javac

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The 2nd is like maven, the 3rd is like gradle

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 3:07 PM

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so we don't use cabal and stack at the same time?

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:07 PM

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As far as I know stack delegates a lot of its work to cabal

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I'm pretty sure they're pretty closely linked anyway

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You typically have a stack and cabal file in the same project I believe

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 3:10 PM

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let's see

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Windows ☹️

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 3:14 PM

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prisma wave Windows ☹️

only windows got the programs I use

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:16 PM

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shame

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 3:22 PM

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what is that?

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Ah I ran into that issue a lot

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I believe you need to run stack update and cabal update first

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If not, make the project with stack and import with IntelliJ later

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This is what I meant about the IJ plugin being a bit buggy

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 3:25 PM

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prisma wave I believe you need to run stack update and cabal update first

how do I do that? I just downloaded them from the haskell website

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:26 PM

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those are commands

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stack update

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Same with cabal

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 3:32 PM

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lol i made my own implementation of MutableMap just for fun and uh, let's just say it wasn't very fast

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:36 PM

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You made your own hash table?

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Or is it just a list of pairs

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 3:37 PM

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IDEA doesn't want to let me add stack executable...

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stack installed itself here C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\local\bin

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half harness Jun 5, 2021, 3:38 PM

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prisma wave Or is it just a list of pairs

list of pairs

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i have no idea what a hashtable is

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;-;

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:39 PM

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🥴

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:40 PM

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gusty glen

Did you setup the SDK?

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:40 PM

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half harness i have no idea what a hashtable is

https://medium.com/swlh/building-a-hash-map-in-kotlin-73c9b23d19ba

Medium

Building a Hash Map in Kotlin

Source code of final iteration here

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Very good explanation here

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 3:40 PM

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i didn't know linkedhashmaps were that slow though (what mutableMapOf uses)

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 3:41 PM

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why tf does gradle like rebuild your whole project for just running one class

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for testing a class or smthing

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:42 PM

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half harness i didn't know linkedhashmaps were that slow though (what mutableMapOf uses)

They're not?

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 3:42 PM

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prisma wave They're not?

well, true, i was putting/removing 1k items

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 3:44 PM

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bear in mind that's not a particularly reliable benchmark too

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 3:44 PM

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ik

sturdy swan Jun 5, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Whats popping guys

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 4:40 PM

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hello

sturdy swan Jun 5, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Im mad

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I still dont have my developer role

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😢

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 4:46 PM

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ocean quartz <@456226577798135808> If you need help with the fabric papi hit me up <:blurryey...

👀

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Matt we should make the dream team

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Make an org and then do nothing and let it die

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 5:01 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/u1FXH01.png

Imgur

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😌

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 5:02 PM

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obtuse gale Make an org and then do nothing and let it die

I'm down for it 👀

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Also you might like this
https://youtu.be/5aZCJ_Soq4w?t=1083

YouTube

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half harness Jun 5, 2021, 5:09 PM

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🤣

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 5:10 PM

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You're laughing at Cherno?!?!‽‽‽

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Please leave this server

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 5:14 PM

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what's the "limit" of how much info i can send through a websocket? like how much should i avoid?

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Don't think there is a limit, all you need to worry is about how big your message is in comparison to how many clients are receiving it

half harness Jun 5, 2021, 5:18 PM

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like if i send 15 char strings every time I send info, should I limit it at 100/s?

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or 50/s?

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or 500/s?

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:20 PM

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prisma wave Did you setup the SDK?

how do I do that? I tried to select the stack.exe inside C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\local\bin but intellij doesn't like it

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:34 PM

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gusty glen how do I do that? I tried to select the stack.exe inside `C:\Users\User\AppData\...

is that the location that where stack points to?

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or maybe whereis

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:35 PM

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prisma wave is that the location that `where stack` points to?

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:36 PM

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hmm

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what doesnt work about that?

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:37 PM

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intellij doesn't accept it as SDK

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Dont use the ij plugin 😔

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Its forever a major headache

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:37 PM

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old wyvern Dont use the ij plugin 😔

just remove it then?

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Yea, use vsc

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:38 PM

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with vsc you mean Visual Studio Code?

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Any cloned project now defaults to Haskell SDK for me now 😄

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:38 PM

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gusty glen with vsc you mean Visual Studio Code?

yes

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:38 PM

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old wyvern Any cloned project now defaults to Haskell SDK for me now 😄

And I mean ANY

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:38 PM

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nooo I hate vsc

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:38 PM

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May it be Java, C#, or who knows what

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:38 PM

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yeah thats a bit annoying

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:38 PM

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autocomplete/lint in vsc is not that great

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:39 PM

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it'll be the same for haskell as it is in IJ

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:39 PM

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I didnt find any difference between the two on trying

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:39 PM

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they both use hlint

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:40 PM

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The only difference barely noticable was the vcs plugin actually suggested functions to simplify stuff

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:42 PM

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the IJ did that occasionally for me

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i think that's just a feature of hlint again

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:42 PM

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ok I'll install vsc 😦

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:43 PM

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or sublime

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or emacs

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or vim

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:44 PM

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is this one?

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old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:47 PM

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prisma wave the IJ did that occasionally for me

Doesnt seem to work for me

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:47 PM

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old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:47 PM

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Just the haskell plugin secretx

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:49 PM

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I created the project using the commands i found on the stack website

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prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:50 PM

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stack install?

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Version issue 🤷 , Should work fine otherwise

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You should only have that error in your main app file

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:52 PM

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prisma wave stack install?

this made the error go away, but how do I run the project?

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:53 PM

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stack build should generate an exe

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:54 PM

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I won't have to use cmd each time I want to build and run the project, right?

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I'll go crazy if I have to keep switching back and forth to run the project

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:56 PM

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i think there's stack exec too

gusty glen Jun 5, 2021, 5:57 PM

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ok, so vsc sucks, but the haskell plugin for vsc is very good

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the docs are very clear

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 5:59 PM

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yeah that is very nice

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And hlint can do some crazy things

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It's like ij's warnings but even better, it can suggest different functions and things

humble silo Jun 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Aww, there goes my nitro

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Mine ended too :sadge:

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 9:50 PM

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there are two ways to my knowledge to not run out of nitro

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a) pay discord endless amounts of money

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b) never get it in the first place

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:thonksmart:

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it can't run out if you don't have it

plain void Jun 5, 2021, 9:51 PM

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could someone help me in #general-plugins 🙂

prisma wave Jun 5, 2021, 9:51 PM

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probably not

plain void Jun 5, 2021, 9:51 PM

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ye i guessed that tbh

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but its worth giving it a try because otherwise i will have to shift plugins

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 10:19 PM

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ocean quartz <@456226577798135808> If you need help with the fabric papi hit me up <:blurryey...

working on fabric be like at.helpch.placeholderapi.fabric.mixin.ServerConfigEntryKeyAccessorMixin 🥲

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Writing enterprise software

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:09 PM

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@steel heart wrapper conclure???!?!

steel heart Jun 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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yessir

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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no IJ Ultimate though???

ocean quartz Jun 5, 2021, 11:16 PM

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A menu plugin 😮

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:16 PM

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PredicateStructureSerializer.java 😮

onyx loom Jun 5, 2021, 11:17 PM

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enterprise menu plugin 😌

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:17 PM

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menu wrapper 😌

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:18 PM

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InteliJ Community 🤢

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I just realised, does anyone actually pay for JetBrains?

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:19 PM

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When I get a real job programming I will either force my work to pay for it or I will

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It's an essential development tool

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:19 PM

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just get held back

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then you get IJ ultimate for longer fingerguns

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:19 PM

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yeah but then I have to keep paying tuition for longer

onyx loom Jun 5, 2021, 11:19 PM

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most people here either have OS licenses or student pack

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but yeah businesses will pay for jetbrains

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:19 PM

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and tuition costs more than an IJ license 🥲

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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onyx loom most people here either have OS licenses or student pack

oh shit yeah I gotta hurry and make something that's cool and open source

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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xD

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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cinder flare yeah but then I have to keep paying tuition for longer

Scholarship ;p

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or OS yeah lol

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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What inspired you to become a major open source enthusiast?
Jetbrains.

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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eternal compass Scholarship ;p

well yeah I have a full-ride but it only lasts 8 semesters

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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ah 😦

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what school?

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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old wyvern `What inspired you to become a major open source enthusiast?` `Jetbrains.`

literally the truth

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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😂

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Southern Utah University

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:20 PM

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nice

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:21 PM

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old wyvern 😂

did you see all those threads that are like "nobody wants to work on open source projects anymore cause they don't get paid"

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jokes on them, I need my JetBrains license

old wyvern Jun 5, 2021, 11:21 PM

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lmao

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:21 PM

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well thats 1/2 the reason it exists lol

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keeping OS active

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Get a jet brains license it’s op

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:26 PM

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you have one?

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Yes

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:26 PM

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OS or paid

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Paid

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Or just pay the monthly it’s very cheap

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:29 PM

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its like $50/m the first year

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 11:30 PM

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I mean also depends how many ides you’re really using

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:30 PM

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I use like 4 rn

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(student license)

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 11:32 PM

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i also use student license

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Nice I mean to pay for one of the ides monthly is like 7-8 bucks probably

forest pecan Jun 5, 2021, 11:32 PM

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you can also use OS license if you want it too

obtuse gale Jun 5, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Might depend on the ide

eternal compass Jun 5, 2021, 11:33 PM

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oh wait its way cheaper for an individual

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$12/m for IJ at year 3

cinder flare Jun 5, 2021, 11:36 PM

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$150/year for all of their products in year 3, not too shabby

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https://i.imgur.com/erpoKzb.png

Imgur

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yooooo

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 12:43 AM

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cinder flare yooooo

nice! I've still got a few more years of student though ;p

cinder flare Jun 6, 2021, 12:43 AM

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yeah me too, 3 years at least

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 12:44 AM

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atleast 8 years for me 🙃

cinder flare Jun 6, 2021, 12:46 AM

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are you in... 8th grade?

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 12:46 AM

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cinder flare are you in... 8th grade?

yes 😳

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I'm just cool 🙃

forest pecan Jun 6, 2021, 12:59 AM

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@cinder flare a lot of people here are near enterprise coders but in or close to highschool

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lmao

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im a freshman

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 12:59 AM

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The difference is I'm not anywhere near enterprise

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lmao

forest pecan Jun 6, 2021, 12:59 AM

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you'd be surprised how much you can change within 1 year

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 12:59 AM

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thats fair, I've only known java for like 2.5 months

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3.5 actually

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 1:00 AM

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forest pecan im a freshman

highschool or college?

forest pecan Jun 6, 2021, 1:00 AM

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highschool

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 1:00 AM

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ah, nice

forest pecan Jun 6, 2021, 1:00 AM

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mhm

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 1:01 AM

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lmfao your github

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68747470733a2f2f726561646d652d6a6f6b65732e76657263656c2e6170702f617069.png

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I assume that's meant to be formatted markdown though

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 1:17 AM

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Flexbox has carried me so many times now

forest pecan Jun 6, 2021, 1:46 AM

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eternal compass

lol

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 2:07 AM

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Omg kotlin is so nice.... This went from like 10 lines to one:

  return (findLoadedClass(name) ?: loadClassBytes(name).let { defineClass(name, it, 0, it!!.size) }).also { if (resolve) resolveClass(it) }

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Is it bad practice to put everything that tight or no?

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 2:26 AM

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That should be fine yeah

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 AM

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Cool! Such a great language!

cinder flare Jun 6, 2021, 2:43 AM

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What did I tell you!

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:46 AM

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Is kotlin JVM aswell? Or is it like a java wrapper or smth

obtuse gale Jun 6, 2021, 2:50 AM

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it compiles to jvm bytecode, yes

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Yeah it compiles to JVM, JS, Native

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And now WASM 😌

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 2:57 AM

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humble silo Omg kotlin is so nice.... This went from like 10 lines to one: ```kotlin retur...

!! MonkaS

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 2:58 AM

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Oh shit didn't even see that 😨

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:01 AM

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I never realized that i really like more of a functional programming style, but im digging stuff like let in kotlin

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 3:30 AM

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😌

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 3:35 AM

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yugi I want to code in haskell using intellij but I he plugin doesn't recognize stack :/

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Ill join you in an hour, working on something atm

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 4:18 AM

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actually I'm in bed right now, but intellij just says "Haskell Tool Blah [Invalid]" or something like that in red

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in my jdk list

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 4:24 AM

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gusty glen actually I'm in bed right now, but intellij just says "Haskell Tool Blah [Invali...

Did you set the executable home path properly?

sly sonnet Jun 6, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Isn't Haskell bad? I did hear something like that in this discord server 🤔

cinder flare Jun 6, 2021, 4:59 AM

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🤡

obtuse gale Jun 6, 2021, 5:04 AM

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the more i learn about vanilla on fabric, the more i understand how... weird bukkit is

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it's bizarre

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 5:37 AM

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It's so much different right? I decompiled the server with the mappings and looked at the and i could hardly find anything i did on Bukkit, checked fabric and it was much closer to vanilla which actually made it so easy to work with

obtuse gale Jun 6, 2021, 5:49 AM

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the thing is that bukkit is like a whole plugin environment with a shit load of things here and there to hold your hand

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fabric is like "nah mate, this is the core game, i load the mod you do the rest"

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for instance, entities don't actually have NBT
there is no "plugin logger"
worlds don't actually have a UUID
there is no "offline player"

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probably the best of all differences is that everything regarding messages is components 😌

obtuse gale Jun 6, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Very interesting read 👉 https://github.com/openjdk/valhalla-docs/blob/main/site/design-notes/in-defense-of-erasure.md

cinder flare Jun 6, 2021, 6:34 AM

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stupid binary compatability

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Can't believe C# did the right thing

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why oh why couldn't they have sane conventions

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Right off the bat this is 100% true lol

Ask any developer about Java generics, and you'll likely get an angry (though often uninformed) rant about erasure. Erasure is probably the most broadly and deeply misunderstood concept in Java.

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 8:46 AM

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humble silo I never realized that i really like more of a functional programming style, but ...

You like functional?!? Have you ever heard of Haskell???

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 8:47 AM

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sly sonnet Isn't Haskell bad? I did hear something like that in this discord server 🤔

Anyone who said that is objectively wrong and stupid and uninformed and wrong

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 9:24 AM

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and wrong!

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 9:26 AM

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Would a requirement for a programming to be an actual programming language be that it has to be turing complete?

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 9:26 AM

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potent nest and wrong!

and wrong 😌

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 9:26 AM

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steel heart Would a requirement for a programming to be an actual programming language be th...

no, it doesnt have to be

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although most languages nowadays are turing complete

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 9:27 AM

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So what’s the requirement for a language to be a valid programming language

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For instance HTML is mostly seen as not being one

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 9:30 AM

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that depends what you define as "programming"

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html could be considered a programming language in that it's telling a computer to do something

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but on the other hand there's no logic

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 9:34 AM

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Hmm okay

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 9:34 AM

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there's no clear line to differ between programming languages, scripting languages and stuff

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 9:39 AM

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Okay so technically html is a programming language then

distant sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:31 AM

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is there an algorithm that I can use for a graph to find a node between point a and b? I have a problem with two friends in two different cities and I can move one at a time to a neighbor city and find one where they will meet

#

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 10:44 AM

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directed graph?

primal juniper Jun 6, 2021, 10:46 AM

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is there any any event that call every tick?

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 10:46 AM

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Why?

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There is the bukkit scheduler

primal juniper Jun 6, 2021, 10:47 AM

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what is that

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xD

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 10:49 AM

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lol

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Bukkit.getScheduler()

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you can schedule tasks with it

distant sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:31 AM

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lunar cypress directed graph?

Will see, any other ideas?

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 11:32 AM

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That was a question, not a solution

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Are we talking about a directed or undirected graph

distant sun Jun 6, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Ah

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It doesnt mention anything, let me find the picture

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lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 12:11 PM

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Looks undirected

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Any constraints on the node you need to find?

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Since it's weighted, I assume you have to optimise it

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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sup

vagrant bobcat Jun 6, 2021, 12:48 PM

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spigot down?

pallid gale Jun 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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=check spigot

compact perchBOT Jun 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Invalid Args!

=check <@user>

pallid gale Jun 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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can't even check spigot

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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I just went to https://spigot.com

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lmao

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I took 3 days off the PC and I don't even remember the links anymore

pallid gale Jun 6, 2021, 12:51 PM

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seems like spigot is down

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 12:52 PM

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nah its up for me

pallid gale Jun 6, 2021, 12:52 PM

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tis back

vagrant bobcat Jun 6, 2021, 12:57 PM

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its up now

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it was though

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 12:58 PM

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ah Ic.

distant sun Jun 6, 2021, 1:08 PM

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lunar cypress Any constraints on the node you need to find?

I just need to give it to points and find the shortest way for the friends to meet at one point,

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Like friend A starts from Oradea and friend B starts from Eforie (top left and bottom right) and I need to make them meet somewhere in between

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Spigot seems to go down every now and then, you would've thought that md_5 would at least know how to be a good system administrator and schedule downtime

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Then again though, this is md_5 we're talking about here

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 1:28 PM

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old wyvern Did you set the executable home path properly?

I didn't set anything, just installed everything using default configs, which I think had the boxed checked for that. I'm using windows, so the path to stack is "C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\local\bin\stack.exe"

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Hmm, what? https://github.com/openjdk/valhalla-docs/blob/main/site/design-notes/in-defense-of-erasure.md#homogeneous-vs-heterogeneous-translations

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so one can easily generate a 100MB JAR file from a few lines of code.

Doubt (X)

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if that was the case, then C++ would also generate files over 100MB with just a few lines of code, which is super wrong since I know C++ enough to know that it produces super compact artifacts

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 1:49 PM

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gusty glen I didn't set anything, just installed everything using default configs, which I ...

Make sure its actually there

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 1:51 PM

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old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Not the stack root

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Find the installation location

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Use where on stack.exe

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 1:59 PM

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potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 1:59 PM

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gusty glen if that was the case, then C++ would also generate files over 100MB with just a ...

What's your C++ code compiled to? :p

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:00 PM

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potent nest What's your C++ code compiled to? :p

it's not mine, c++ compiles to binary

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:00 PM

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you see, there's the difference to java

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:01 PM

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gusty glen

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:02 PM

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specialized types like that doesn't need to be generated as a new class but in the JVM it would be required to

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 2:02 PM

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exe.exe

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:02 PM

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hmm

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 2:02 PM

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exe.exe.exe?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:03 PM

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What error shows up in ij?

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:03 PM

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potent nest specialized types like that doesn't need to be generated as a new class but in t...

imagine if generics could have one extra parameter that is automatically filled by the compiler called "T class" or something?

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too hard to implement

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:04 PM

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old wyvern What error shows up in ij?

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I've done this to add it to the sdk list

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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gusty glen imagine if generics could have one extra parameter that is automatically filled ...

How does that solve any of the mentioned issues? (https://stackoverflow.com/a/3942033 btw)

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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let's pretend List<T> have a parameter (that is hidden from us devs, but is inserted when creating Lists, a parameter Class<T> tClass or whatever you want to call it), then you could receive a generic list and check against it's type before you try to cast it

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Haskell bad?

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:08 PM

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gusty glen let's pretend List<T> have a parameter (that is hidden from us devs, but is inse...

even on empty lists (which is impossible with current standards)

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:09 PM

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gusty glen even on empty lists (which is impossible with current standards)

something like ```JAVA

public void myFun(List<?> generic) {
if(String.class.isAssignableFrom(generic.tClass)) {
// list of strings
}

if(int.class.isAssignableFrom(generic.tClass)) {
// list of ints
}

// and so on...
}```

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:13 PM

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ocean quartz Haskell bad?

UNTRUE

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:14 PM

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man, reification is such a hack, I just read a stack overflow article on it

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:14 PM

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So what happens here then?

<T> List<T> create() {
  return new ArrayList<>();
}```

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 2:14 PM

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send help smiling_face_with_3_tears

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:14 PM

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your "solution" assumes that every use of generics is a concrete class

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which is not the case

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:15 PM

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lunar cypress So what happens here then? ```java <T> List<T> create() { return new ArrayList...

do you see this diamond? <>? The compiler automatically inserts your T in between then

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:15 PM

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and what is T?

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:15 PM

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lunar cypress your "solution" assumes that every use of generics is a concrete class

wdym?

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:15 PM

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that's exactly the point, those information aren't necessarily available at compile time

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:15 PM

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potent nest and what is T?

a type parameter that will be provided at compile type

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:16 PM

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So, if I compile this, what will it compile to?

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:16 PM

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the only way reification works in Kotlin is because the function is inlined and so copied at the call site lol

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:16 PM

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also, what type would be encoded in code compiled in older versions?

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:16 PM

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Which Class object will it pass to the arraylist?

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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java is a strong typed language, every parameter type is available at compile type unless using generics <?>

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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what

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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potent nest also, what type would be encoded in code compiled in older versions?

then just return null, or object class

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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So, if I compile this, what will it compile to?
just try to answer this

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I mean, parameter types are kinda also available at runtime iirc through some hacks with reflection

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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gusty glen then just return null, or object class

so breaking with other code?

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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potent nest so breaking with other code?

nah, it wouldn't have to break other code

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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if they weren't in the runtime bytecode somewhere, things like Gson's TypeToken wouldn't work

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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yes it's in the class file

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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I think they're stored in the info, yeah

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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It has to be for compile time

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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that's what I linked above

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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lunar cypress Which `Class` object will it pass to the arraylist?

Object.class

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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yeah, it's so the compiler can see what the type is for checking

karmic fjord Jun 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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static zealot send help <:smiling_face_with_3_tears:807456604810772480>

your cursor 😍

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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gusty glen `Object.class`

List<String> list = create();
assert list.tClass == String.class;
```and now it's broken

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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lunar cypress ```java List<String> list = create(); assert list.tClass == String.class; ```and...

~~what's the issue here?~~ actually that would work, either that or list.tClass.equals(String.class)

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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tClass is not of type String

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or it's not the string class, that's what I mean

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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karmic fjord your cursor 😍

hello cousin

karmic fjord Jun 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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😏

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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and even though String extends Object, that doesn't mean that Class<String> also extends Class<Object>

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:21 PM

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gusty glen ~~what's the issue here?~~ actually that would work, either that or `list.tClass...

How would that work? You said the list gets passed Object.class in create(). So when I call create I get a List with tClass == Object.class

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:21 PM

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lunar cypress How would that work? You said the list gets passed `Object.class` in `create()`....

oooh I see where you're trying to go

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nah, this generic function create() will have to be called in a contextualized manner, in a reified context, correct? You have to specify the type at compile time, correct?

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:22 PM

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so you want type reification in Java then

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:22 PM

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either that or the compiler will infer it for you

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:22 PM

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I do not know what you're talking about

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:23 PM

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I'll try to explain

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:23 PM

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My point is, the solution is not that simple

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:23 PM

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yes it is

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:23 PM

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You can't just have a tClass field in every generic class and it's solved

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No it is not. lol

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:23 PM

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unless using fuckery <?> in which case tClass would return null

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:23 PM

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yeah I agree with Johnny here

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:24 PM

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I just showed you a contradiction of what you suggested

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But if you have a well-defined proposal, go ahead

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:24 PM

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just do whatever rust / haskell does, as that is obviously the best solution

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:24 PM

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if you think you've figured out a solution, submit a new JEP

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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One thing that's clear is that you're not just gonna come up with the perfect solution without any background in type theory

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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prisma wave just do whatever rust / haskell does, as that is obviously the best solution

I think Rust uses type reification

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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reification is just the opposite of erasure

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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yeah ik

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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rust is monomorphisation afaik

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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it's not a precise procedure

lunar cypress Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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prisma wave rust is monomorphisation afaik

yes

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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i.e copy paste specialised versions

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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ah, so it does a C++ then

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:26 PM

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mhm

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 2:26 PM

#


public List<String> doStuff() {
  // compiler knows you have to return a List of Strings here then, if I try to return the create function here, it'll compile
  return create();
  // to something like
  return create<String>();
  // which would pass String as type to create method, and String.class would be passed "hidden" parameter to `ArrayList` constructor
}

public <T> List<T> create() {
  return new ArrayList<T>();
}```

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:26 PM

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i think theres a reason that cant work on the jvm though

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:26 PM

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I think the bottom line of this is that, just like in pretty much every other problem in existence, there is no real perfect solution

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:26 PM

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Apart from what Haskell does

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That's the perfect solution

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Obviously

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:26 PM

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doge_ahaha

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:27 PM

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😌

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:27 PM

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prisma wave That's the perfect solution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0wKv5CPtA

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prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Just erase every type

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Problem solved

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 2:27 PM

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clearly

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:27 PM

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.getClass? I think you mean UnsupportedOperationException

hidden apex Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Where can i start development? i want to learn

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I*

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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java.com

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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?learn-java

compact perchBOT Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

#

FAQ Answer:

Online Courses:
Online courses are also great for learning java. Some websites that offer them are:

Coursera - Free unless you want a certificate
PluralSight - Great courses from what I've seen. Mostly Paid
Udemy - Never used them myself but they seem to all or at least most be paid.
My first ever course was one from Coursera. - I can say it was pretty good at introducing me to the programming world as a whole not just java.

Oracle Docs:
Oracle docs can help a lot at learning and understanding java:

Start with this,
Breeze through this (skipping stuff that doesn't seem relevant like bitwise operators),
Hit this.
They're the first three from this larger thing which you should definitely go through overall. But those three should be enough for slightly better understanding of what is happening here without feeling like a huge time sink.
That one is a small part of this larger site wherein "Essential Java Classes" and "Collections" also have good useful stuff

Other services:
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As you can see there are plenty of good ways to learn as long as you're willing to invest the time. Have fun learning!

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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😌

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

#

?learn-java

compact perchBOT Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

#

FAQ Answer:

Online Courses:
Online courses are also great for learning java. Some websites that offer them are:

Coursera - Free unless you want a certificate
PluralSight - Great courses from what I've seen. Mostly Paid
Udemy - Never used them myself but they seem to all or at least most be paid.
My first ever course was one from Coursera. - I can say it was pretty good at introducing me to the programming world as a whole not just java.

Oracle Docs:
Oracle docs can help a lot at learning and understanding java:

Start with this,
Breeze through this (skipping stuff that doesn't seem relevant like bitwise operators),
Hit this.
They're the first three from this larger thing which you should definitely go through overall. But those three should be enough for slightly better understanding of what is happening here without feeling like a huge time sink.
That one is a small part of this larger site wherein "Essential Java Classes" and "Collections" also have good useful stuff

Other services:
Some other cool services that will help you learn java are:

As you can see there are plenty of good ways to learn as long as you're willing to invest the time. Have fun learning!

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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@old wyvern I just want to say THANK YOU.
Every time I'm sad or just very bored I come in here and watch that pinned message and it just makes my day a lot better.

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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wall of text

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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😌

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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onyx loom wall of text

worth reading tho

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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wall of java 🤢 🥶 😖

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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at least for those who want to learn

hidden apex Jun 6, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Thank youuu

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 2:29 PM

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yw

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:29 PM

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static zealot <@!235475470806679554> I just want to say THANK YOU. Every time I'm sad or just...

😌

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Simon spreads happiness

karmic fjord Jun 6, 2021, 2:29 PM

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should i do something like this

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:29 PM

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you know what else spreads happiness?

karmic fjord Jun 6, 2021, 2:29 PM

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or just leave it to bukkit

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:29 PM

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prisma wave you know what else spreads happiness?

money

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money spreads happieness

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Rich Hickey?

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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eternal compass money

I was gonna say haskell but sure i guess...

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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😌

hidden apex Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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so how i use java in minecraft (i know that minecraft is made on java)

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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And ofc

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Aristotle!!

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The supreme lord!!

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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prisma wave I was gonna say haskell but sure i guess...

no, its definitely money

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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hidden apex so how i use java in minecraft (i know that minecraft is made on java)

learn java first

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Money >> Haskell

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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you will not regret it

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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eternal compass Money >> Haskell

haskell reference 😌

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Aristotle >> Money

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Would love to see you live without the great inventions of the greeks!!!!

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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I never learned java first :p
I went straight into Bukkit, and fell down my staircase code and broke my leg

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Monadic discard operator 😌 😌 😌 😌

karmic fjord Jun 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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eternal compass I never learned java first :p I went straight into Bukkit, and fell down my stai...

that reminds me something

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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(\x -> true)

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Aristotle good

karmic fjord Jun 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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oh its just me 😌

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Predicate good

hidden apex Jun 6, 2021, 2:32 PM

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prisma wave learn java first

ok

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Function<? super T, ? extends Optional<Boolean>>

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Also began diving into this hellhole 😷

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 2:32 PM

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why

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:32 PM

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They call their plugin tasks "Mojo" it seems

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MoJo

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:33 PM

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They call it hell

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 2:33 PM

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😫

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:34 PM

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😌

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:36 PM

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in ubuntu, how do I point to a java executable?
there's no EXE file or something like windows (well, ofc no exe)

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 2:36 PM

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gusty glen ```JAVA public List<String> doStuff() { // compiler knows you have to return ...

that wouldn't work at all in the JVM, the compiler would need to pass the type "hidden" to the create method already. Then we're getting back to compatibility issues and stuff...

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:38 PM

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eternal compass in ubuntu, how do I point to a java executable? there's no EXE file or something...

wdym by pointing to it?

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:39 PM

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like on windows you could run path/to/jre/bin/java.exe -jar x.jar

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:39 PM

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exactly the same, but without the .exe

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:39 PM

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oh wait really?

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cool

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 2:40 PM

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mhm

karmic fjord Jun 6, 2021, 2:41 PM

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eternal compass in ubuntu, how do I point to a java executable? there's no EXE file or something...

well you can also use chmod

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 2:42 PM

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doesn't that just make it executable?

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but that won't matter if I'm running it via command line

karmic fjord Jun 6, 2021, 2:42 PM

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eternal compass doesn't that just make it executable?

yeah

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 2:52 PM

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old wyvern Also began diving into this hellhole 😷

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Why must you do that to yourself 😩

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 3:11 PM

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😟

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Also at first I read that as SlimJarMofo extends AbstractMofo

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Omg Gson merged my 2 line pr

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Les goooooooo

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Official google contributor

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:16 PM

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gg lmao

#

u corrected 2 letters?

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bcz that's what I Did in Krpyton and got contributor role xD

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Yeah I changed 2.8.6 to 2.8.7 in 2 places

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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added 2 missing '

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Lmao

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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steel heart Yeah I changed 2.8.6 to 2.8.7 in 2 places

lamo

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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yo congrats man

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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look guys this is my friend

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I'm friends with that COnclure guy

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 3:18 PM

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u can put this on ur resume now

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 3:18 PM

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ocean quartz Also at first I read that as `SlimJarMofo extends AbstractMofo`

lmao

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Oh shit that reminds me i still have an open PR on Ktor that i never added the test for yikes

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 3:22 PM

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static zealot I'm friends with that COnclure guy

lmaooo

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 3:26 PM

#

#

lol

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They made you verify your commit as well

steel heart Jun 6, 2021, 3:28 PM

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Yeah lol

thorny garden Jun 6, 2021, 3:33 PM

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@autumn tundra your weird

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:38 PM

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sir this is

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:39 PM

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is there a way to catch multiple exception in one block in kotlin? I know in java there's something like
catch (Ex1 | Ex2 exception) but can't seem to find anything similar in kt

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Ig I could just catch Exception and check if it is the exception I want

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:42 PM

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There is nothing

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:42 PM

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alr

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:43 PM

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maybe runCatching + is checks could be a nice equivalent

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:43 PM

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using kt } catch (ex: Exception) { when (ex) { } }

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:45 PM

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alias nano="vim"

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Chaotic evil

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 3:46 PM

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bm

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:46 PM

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yo

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:46 PM

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lmao

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 3:46 PM

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private fun Collection<Group>.bestGroup(player: Option<Player> = None): Group 
  = when(player) {
    is Some -> firstOrNull { it.owner == player.value.uniqueId } ?: first()
    is None -> first()
  }``` arrow-kt

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I'm actually using it in a project

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Nice

#

that is quite nice

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 3:48 PM

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I'll make a plugin to teleport items through chests based on rules

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:49 PM

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Sounds perfect for FP

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:50 PM

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prisma wave You like functional?!? Have you ever heard of *Haskell*???

Oh god, dont blow my mind even more! \😅

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:51 PM

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Too late

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You're here now

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Everyone in #dev-general falls to the purely functional temptation eventually

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Some people think they can "resist"

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 3:52 PM

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FP is nice, very nice

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Is it a JVM language?

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 3:53 PM

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no

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Well then, that will be easy to never use it

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Elara 😌

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:53 PM

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humble silo Well then, that will be easy to never use it

Oh we'll see about that

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:53 PM

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lol, what do you use it for then?

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 3:54 PM

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anything u want to

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:54 PM

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umm

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yeah

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I have made the basics of a minecraft server implementation in haskell

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Then got bored

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 3:54 PM

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just because u cant make mc plugins with it doesnt mean its totally useless 🌚

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:55 PM

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onyx loom just because u cant make mc plugins with it doesnt mean its totally useless 🌚

right right right, all im hearing is totally useless

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lol

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 3:55 PM

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pain

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:55 PM

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humble silo right right right, all im hearing is totally useless

Haskell is useless

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Even the creator says so

#

https://youtu.be/iSmkqocn0oQ

YouTube

bunidanoable

Simon Peyton Jones - Haskell is useless

Simon Peyton Jones talking about the future of programming languages

▶ Play video

#

😌 😌 😌 😌 😌 😌 😌 😌

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:56 PM

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prisma wave Haskell is useless

Wow, great pitch! I wanna start using it immediately!

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:56 PM

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you should

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because useless = safe

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:56 PM

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lemme just clip that quickly

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:56 PM

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Useless programs have no bugs

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:57 PM

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thats funny

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:57 PM

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what's the latest version of kotlin?

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or where can I Just check

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 3:57 PM

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1.5.10

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Just 😌

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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BM how is that something to react relieved about?

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Haskell being useless

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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oh is it on maven central?

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ty BBG btw

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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yw

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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jovial warren Haskell being useless

Because useless is good

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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prisma wave Useless programs have no bugs

well...

#

but

#

but

#

no

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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yes

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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yes I guess ._.

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Watch the video

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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prisma wave Useless programs have no bugs

literally any plugin ive ever wrote

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:58 PM

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I'm only half joking

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 3:59 PM

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prisma wave I'm only half joking

I know ;-;

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 3:59 PM

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where's your evidence though that Haskell is good?

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the creator has said that Haskell is safe and useless, never said that makes it good

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 3:59 PM

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safe is good

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nobody likes bugs

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 4:00 PM

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nobody likes things that aren't of use to them either

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 4:00 PM

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prisma wave nobody likes bugs

well, bugs can be cool

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:00 PM

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jovial warren nobody likes things that aren't of use to them either

Well you see that's why the phrase "Haskell is useless" is somewhat tongue in cheek

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because it's not really useless

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 4:01 PM

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also, bugs can be kinda nice sometimes

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Masochism?

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 4:01 PM

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for example, creepers were a bug, but they remained and became a cool feature

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:01 PM

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that was a logic bug, which could still happen in haskell

#

The point is that not interacting with the outside world means that the only flaw in a program is you messing up somewhere

#

In the logic

#

You can't accidentally leave a variable as null, you can't accidentally clear a list, you can't try and read a file that doesn't exist, etc

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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jovial warren for example, creepers were a bug, but they remained and became a cool feature

Is that actually true? Or just a myth?

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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so BM when are you remaking minecraft in Haskell?

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(Client and server ofc)

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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Whenever I stop being lazy

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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so never? dangit

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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too many side projects, so little time

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Maybe

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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humble silo Is that actually true? Or just a myth?

it's true, when Notch was trying to render pigs, he accidentally extended the model vertically instead of horizontally

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Huh, thats a very strange bug lol

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 4:05 PM

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prisma wave Maybe

I want HaskellCraft this year.
I gotta be able to connect to it with a proprietary HaskelClient that has a built-in anticheat

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:05 PM

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proprietary? Absolutely not

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 4:05 PM

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fine

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vanilla client

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:05 PM

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no we can have a client maybe

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 4:05 PM

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and there better be a plugin system, idc about chunks and lighting, I WANT PLUGINS

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:05 PM

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We need to recruit a team

eternal compass Jun 6, 2021, 4:06 PM

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discord.gg/haskelcraft

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:06 PM

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nice

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 4:06 PM

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prisma wave https://youtu.be/iSmkqocn0oQ

nirvana 🤔

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:07 PM

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Nirvana

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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I guess I didnt write the Java modularity stuff, but it feels like alot of the reflection stuff was kindof messed up? idk though

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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jovial warren also, bugs can be kinda nice sometimes

lmao

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Thats a lie

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And you know it

humble silo Jun 6, 2021, 4:16 PM

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they dont seem to mention anywhere that all of this stuff is caller sensitive...

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 4:16 PM

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"Oh why is this image not changing??? ffs!!"
5 hours of debugging later
"Oh.... cached"

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:44 PM

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😌

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Wouldn't get that issue in purely functional programming

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Although....

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Is a memoised function functionally pure?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Assuming the non-memoised function is, then I guess so

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:57 PM

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Yeah

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I suppose it would be

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You could make a pure and Impure implementation

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 4:58 PM

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That section I wrote is impure 😔

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Stupid

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IO

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I wish everyone would write useless programs

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:58 PM

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old wyvern That section I wrote is impure 😔

?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 4:58 PM

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old wyvern "Oh why is this image not changing??? ffs!!" *5 hours of debugging later* "Oh......

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This is a summary of today morning

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😄

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Oh I see

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see this customer testimony about the dangers of impure programs!

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After Yugi#1829 started using Haskell, he could never go back!

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Glide.with(view)
   .load(avatar)
   .diskCacheStrategy(DiskCacheStrategy.NONE)
   .circleCrop()
   .into(view)

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Would you imagine this caches?

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especially with this? diskCacheStrategy(DiskCacheStrategy.NONE)

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:01 PM

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certainly not

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Answer is, yes. It still has another cache

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There is another in-memory cache apparently

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xD

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:02 PM

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So what you're saying is, impurity should be explicitly marked for the compiler to warn users about?

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if only there was a language that does that!

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Im saying, impurity shouldnt exist!!

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Impure bad

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:02 PM

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prisma wave if only there was a language that does that!

Ikr

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:02 PM

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!!!!! 😌 😌 😌

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Elara good

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Java bad!!

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Elara good

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Oh I meant to ask

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Elara best 😌

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:03 PM

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😌

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:03 PM

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what are your thoughts on using let everywhere?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:03 PM

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wdym?

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Rather than something like Haskell

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with no keyword

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On the one hand, let good, and I think it looks nice in some places

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On the other hand it's nice to be able to have type hints with the same indentation as their values

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Wait I have an idea

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:05 PM

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prisma wave Wait I have an idea

What is it? 👀

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:06 PM

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What about something like this: ```rs
def add2 : (Add a) => a -> a -> a
let add2 a b = ...

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Then it lines up

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and you can separate let and def too if you want

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:07 PM

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😮

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That looks great

gusty glen Jun 6, 2021, 5:07 PM

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prisma wave Elara good

🥲

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:07 PM

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gusty glen 🥲

shush java user

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:08 PM

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old wyvern That looks great

😌 😌 😌

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Also

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How the heck do you do type classes on the JVM

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Because they're not possible in java or kotlin

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We're probably gonna just need to generate a bunch of unchecked casts (or the equivalent bytecode)

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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😣

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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prisma wave How the heck do you do type classes on the JVM

interfaces?

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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type classes?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Yes

jovial warren Jun 6, 2021, 5:13 PM

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what are type classes?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:13 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_class

Type class

In computer science, a type class is a type system construct that supports ad hoc polymorphism. This is achieved by adding constraints to type variables in parametrically polymorphic types. Such a constraint typically involves a type class T and a type variable a, and means that a can only be instantiated to a type whose members support the over...

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:23 PM

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jovial warren what are type classes?

Similar to traits

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Um what?xD

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"Push back"

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 5:32 PM

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old wyvern interfaces?

I'm just remembering the issue we had with the Monad interface

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 5:46 PM

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so I'm returning to this issue after taking a break from it. When I switched to ubuntu, my keyboard drivers do not get automatically installed.

So according to the keyboard manufacturer, the drivers should be automatically installed when I Plug it in. What the drivers should do is just allow me to enable/disable the backlight when I press on the Scroll-Lock button.

Now pressing scroll lock does absolutely nothing but if I switch to windows it works.

Also on my other keyboard the keys are just messed up. So basically my ctrl, win and alt keys (left and right) are just read as Left Shift for some reason.

I have a laptop so if I test the laptop keyboard, ctrl, alt, win keys, all do what they should but the external one does not.

What I Need is someone help me install the drivers or something. They are not existent on the internet and don't show up in Software and Updates. I don't care for which keyboard I just need to get at least one to work as it should.

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I'm on KDE Neon btw but this persisted when I Was on Ubuntu latest as well

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(think at the time it was 21.04 or something)

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Also one more small thing, Discord can't see the apps I have opened. When I go into settings it always sees these

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 6:18 PM

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static zealot so I'm returning to this issue after taking a break from it. When I switched to ...

Little update:
My mouse is a bit more advanced and has a driver online I downloaded, and bcz its an .exe I ran it with wine but when I open the app, it doesn't find my mouse at all tho my mouse works with the default settings.

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so basically I can't change the settings to it

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 6:32 PM

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Also @old wyvern with library support, how can we guarantee that only 1 type class instance per type exists at runtime? If we consider that other classes can be on the classpath even if they're not known at runtime

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Upon thinking about it, this could probably be mitigated with relocation

distant sun Jun 6, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Does anybody have an algorithm for this? I just need to give it two points and find the shortest way for the friends to meet at one point,
Like friend A starts from Oradea and friend B starts from Eforie (top left and bottom right) and I need to make them meet somewhere in between

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static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 6:36 PM

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stackoverflow gaby. smh

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:36 PM

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prisma wave Also <@235475470806679554> with library support, how can we guarantee that only ...

Theres also another possible way, we could generate a hash for the signature of the constraint, create a interface with that hash as name, then have a interface with a human readable name extend it

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or wait no, that would still have the same issue

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nvm

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:36 PM

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distant sun Does anybody have an algorithm for this? I just need to give it two points and f...

dijikstras?

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https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/dijkstras-shortest-path-algorithm-greedy-algo-7/

GeeksforGeeks

Dijsktra's algorithm

C code for Dijkstra's Algortihm

distant sun Jun 6, 2021, 6:37 PM

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I thought about it but doesn't that find the path from A to B?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Yea

distant sun Jun 6, 2021, 6:37 PM

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what about a center point between these

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 6:38 PM

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old wyvern Theres also another possible way, we could generate a hash for the signature of ...

Relocation would probably fix it, as we can have something like class a.b.Maybe implements a.b.Monad
Then we can assume that all the instances in package a.b are valid instances, and none others are

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:39 PM

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distant sun what about a center point between these

take the total distance of the shortest path and divide it by 2, check what nodes each reach with that distance

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 6:39 PM

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or the closest

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:39 PM

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You should be able to do this with slight additions

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 6:39 PM

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I want to die rn.

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U think that maybe Ubuntu HIdeout discord would help me if I Use KDE Plasma?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:40 PM

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prisma wave Relocation would probably fix it, as we can have something like `class a.b.Maybe...

hmm, true, but that wouldnt work out in-terms of interop

potent nest Jun 6, 2021, 6:41 PM

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distant sun I thought about it but doesn't that find the path from A to B?

you could try with a weight function that takes the maximum of always two edges or something like that

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:41 PM

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static zealot U think that maybe Ubuntu HIdeout discord would help me if I Use KDE Plasma?

What distro are you on?

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 6:41 PM

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kde neon?

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Yea they suppourt neon

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go ahead

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 6:41 PM

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well then time to see if someone in there has a bigger brain

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well actually

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most of them do

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xD

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:41 PM

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lol

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 6:42 PM

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also where do u recommend I put my .appimage apps

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I installed LUnar Client and its an appimage which I have to run every time. I Can't even pin it to my task bar

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should i just make a Games folder in my home directory?

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 6:53 PM

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old wyvern hmm, true, but that wouldnt work out in-terms of interop

we should probably take the approach of elara <> elara interop requires static linking so the compiler can do stuff

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 6:53 PM

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should a library use implementation or compileOnly for when it comes to dependencies?
like, if im making a library in kotlin, should i make kotlin stdlib implementation to avoid any issues with version mismatching? or leave it up to the library user?

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 6:53 PM

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java interop ez

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 6:55 PM

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onyx loom should a library use `implementation` or `compileOnly` for when it comes to depe...

kinda situational, I would say kt should be api

onyx loom Jun 6, 2021, 6:55 PM

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alr

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 6:58 PM

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prisma wave we should probably take the approach of elara <> elara interop requires static ...

true, but there might be cases where we dont want that such as a situation of "extensions" or "plugins"

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 7:26 PM

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old wyvern true, but there might be cases where we dont want that such as a situation of "e...

I feel like it might be worth consulting someone cleverer

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We could have a look at how scala does traits maybe

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That's probably a similar thing

prisma wave Jun 6, 2021, 7:46 PM

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https://medium.com/javarevisited/typeclasses-in-java-5ac37ad2483f

Medium

Type Classes in Java

Why functional programming is still hard in Java

old wyvern Jun 6, 2021, 7:55 PM

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😮

ionic talon Jun 6, 2021, 7:59 PM

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can anyone tell me what you learn in ap comp sci principles?

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im taking it next year

static zealot Jun 6, 2021, 8:21 PM

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welp @ocean quartz got u some work for this next week xD

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I'm talking about role request

ocean quartz Jun 6, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Nice, this one will be faster