dev-general

[forest pecan]

if i used kotlin i could also too use extension functions

and make my life easier in that case

[cinder flare]

then you can only do C-style interpolation

[forest pecan]

did you know ffmpeg is written in C and assembly

[cinder flare]

yes

[forest pecan]

i dont get how

[cinder flare]

almost all linux utilities are

[forest pecan]

the devs

are like

the devs are probably like their eyes prolly falling out

lmao

[cinder flare]

yeah and they do it for free

[forest pecan]

mhm

[cinder flare]

they are truly the crutches holding up the internet

[forest pecan]

Yeah lol

[cinder flare]

them and like openssl

[forest pecan]

opencv 👀

[cinder flare]

what's opencv

[forest pecan]

@obtuse gale

lmao

[obtuse gale]

👀

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/g84UbDT.png

[forest pecan]

opencv has a lot of graphical ai stuff that are useful in general

[forest pecan]

XD

[cinder flare]

C++ i see now

[forest pecan]

but in short, it can do a lot of ai stuff in graphical shit like identifying faces in a picture

its pretty cool

[cinder flare]

oh does like tensorflow use it as a backend or something

sounds like it would

[forest pecan]

Yeah maybe

[cinder flare]

okay opencv may be good

but what about openGL

that bad boy powers half the gaming industry

[forest pecan]

https://github.com/opencv/opencv

Holy shit opengl

XD

[obtuse gale]

vulkan good

[cinder flare]

well yeah but openGL paved the way

decades before we had vulkan

[obtuse gale]

idc

vulkan good

[forest pecan]

I like how you know the famous APIs are like a couple tens of thousands stars right

but then there is random ass chinese programming guide

that has like 120k stars

Lol

[cinder flare]

well send it

i gotta add my star

[forest pecan]

I cant search it up

its in chinese

and i dont got the keyboard rn

Lol

[cinder flare]

just dictate it

you know chinese right

[forest pecan]

I forgot what it was called, but I remember seeing it on my recommended on my github app

[cinder flare]

"hey siri, chijong maieoi github"

[forest pecan]

Lmao

[cinder flare]

there's a github app?!?!

[obtuse gale]

?

yes

[cinder flare]

news to me

[forest pecan]

its been there for nearly 2 years

lol

[obtuse gale]

lmao it's been out for a good while now

yea

[eternal compass]

Really?

Huh

[obtuse gale]

https://github.com/mobile

[cinder flare]

glad im not alone

[forest pecan]

https://github.com/CyC2018/CS-Notes

Found it

xD

[cinder flare]

https://github.com/CyC2018/CS-Notes/blob/master/notes/Java 基础.md#clone

[obtuse gale]

imagine if /mobile was an org or a user

rip

[cinder flare]

got it

[forest pecan]

I mean the examples in the code seem okay

but i cant read the actual fucking guide itself

lol

[cinder flare]

does vulkan use GLSL

[eternal compass]

I just applied for discord partership, lets goo

[cinder flare]

what does that mean

[forest pecan]

its for your server

basically you get a partnership and you get benefits

[eternal compass]

I get free nitro and discord.gg/fredthedoggy

[cinder flare]

you have a server?

[eternal compass]

And a badge

[forest pecan]

wait free nitro forever?

[eternal compass]

Y

[forest pecan]

how big tho

[eternal compass]

Yes, 1500 strong

[cinder flare]

what

what is it about

[eternal compass]

Plugins

[cinder flare]

you have a competitor to helpchat??

[forest pecan]

dm link

Lmao

[cinder flare]

yeah link me dog

[eternal compass]

They're mostly for youtubers, 1s

[cinder flare]

so you're saying im not good enough

[forest pecan]

still

1.5k is god damn a lot

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/SpB224i.png

woah Vulkan is a monad

[forest pecan]

holy shit

he isnt capping

literally 1.5k members

[eternal compass]

1.47k, sorry

[cinder flare]

why did i not know Fred was this cool

i didn't even know you made plugins

now I see FredHunt?!?!

[eternal compass]

Lmfao

Fredhunt is OS

[forest pecan]

some of the code can be improved, but that community damn

[cinder flare]

lmao

lets fix it up

submit a few PR's

[eternal compass]

:p

[forest pecan]

Yeah lol

[cinder flare]

increase fred's street cred

[forest pecan]

Lol

HC competitor

xD

[eternal compass]

Lol

[cinder flare]

oh shit u rite

fred has infiltrated us as a support member

[eternal compass]

Nah these guys are worse than hc

Believe me

[half harness]

https://streamable.com/6j26m4

😎 getting better at javafx

._.

the first 10 seconds are frozen

and the rest are like 2 fps

great

[eternal compass]

Oh actually, I got a question:
Any clue why sometimes the death listener doesn't detect the item?

(Eg. It still drops, and they are not given a new one)

[obtuse gale]

that's what you told me last time 🥲

[distant sun]

what version is java 60, 16?

[prisma wave]

Probably

[distant sun]

yeah it is

8 is 52 so 16 is 60

[mental geode]

ok update im now coding on a pencil

[onyx loom]

sounds great

[mental geode]

is cj89898 on crack

[quiet depot]

most certainly

[onyx loom]

yh

[mental geode]

cuz in his status there is weed and then "medicated"

[quiet depot]

yep I can see how you'd jump from weed to crack

very logical

[mental geode]

yes

[onyx loom]

@quick flume can u confirm ur on crack

[mental geode]

oh my god i thought that said "can you confirm you have a butt crack"

[onyx loom]

that is a possibility

[mental geode]

guys im a hot grill in real life dm me to see pick 👉👈

(i swer no jok)

[onyx loom]

🤨

[mental geode]

also im 14

instantly deletes dm

[shadow summit]

ayo discord leaked your google search while u searched for best car plugin 1.16

and you were watching youtube

[mental geode]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/mtvehicles-best-free-vehicle-plugin-at-the-moment.80910/ here u go

[shadow summit]

its in german, i tried it, thats my problem

[mental geode]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/carz

[shadow summit]

i wanted airplanes mostly so yea

imma focus on planes

[mental geode]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/uplanes idk dis?

[prisma wave]

Boys

Home alone

You know what that means

[boreal needle]

horny time?

[prisma wave]

🙄

Yes

But also

Tutorial time

[jovial warren]

lol

[lunar cypress]

Tutorial time? 👀

[jovial warren]

man, maybe I should work on some tutorials at some point, might be good to do some teaching stuff in preparation for my career path lol

[lunar cypress]

you wanna become a teacher?

[jovial warren]

yeah

secondary school teacher

a.k.a the 11-18 year olds

[prisma wave]

Oh yes

just cleaning desk first

Very important part

[jovial warren]

[winter iron]

thats tough man :/

[jovial warren]

looking at adding more bindings to Krypton for plugins, and just trying to decide if I should allow @Named("server") val address: InetSocketAddress or @Named("players") val players: Set<Player>

[quiet depot]

tutorial for what

[jovial warren]

I mean, not sure what the point of injecting the players list is actually tbh, since it's mutable and can be changed

[jovial warren]

how to cook a nice salad

what do you think xD

[quiet depot]

salads aren't cooked

[jovial warren]

they are

well, they can be

[quiet depot]

salads are made

[winter iron]

damn he got you there

[quiet depot]

nearly always of cold ingredients

that do not need to be cooked

[jovial warren]

you can cook the chicken or the tuna or whatever people put on their salad

[quiet depot]

you're not cooking the salad

[jovial warren]

also seen people cook lettuce before

[quiet depot]

you're cooking components of the salad

[jovial warren]

alright fine

whatever

not the point

[quiet depot]

it's the only point that matters

apart from what bm's tutorial is actually on

[jovial warren]

what kind of tutorial do you think BM would make lol

[quiet depot]

how to speak with an english accent

[jovial warren]

in all seriousness, disregard any of his circlejerking shit

[quiet depot]

how to catch a bus to school

how to live on an island

[distant sun]

200 reason to learn haskell

[prisma wave]

the tutorial

[quiet depot]

the tutorial for life, the universe, and everything?

[prisma wave]

Of course

[quiet depot]

42

[prisma wave]

Also known as java

[quiet depot]

oh

i see

[lunar cypress]

It's been 84 years...

[prisma wave]

After 9 years in development, hopefully it was worth the wait

[boreal needle]

why would you do that to yourself

[jovial warren]

why not?

[boreal needle]

self abuse isnt ok my guy

[jovial warren]

it's not self abuse

the happiness and enjoyment you get out of teaching far outweighs that of what the annoying kids can try to do to you

[boreal needle]

exposing yourself to children

i cannot think of anything worse

[jovial warren]

not exactly "exposing" myself to children

also, what's wrong with children?

[boreal needle]

everything

absolutely everything is wrong with them

[jovial warren]

ngl, kids are better and easier to deal with than adults half of the time lol

[boreal needle]

adults don't treat every second of their lives like it's playtime

[jovial warren]

neither do secondary students

[boreal needle]

y7s tho

[jovial warren]

they soon grow up

[prisma wave]

kids are obnoxious until at least year 11

year 9s and 10s are the most annoying people possible

[void plover]

@pallid gale, dm please.

[jovial warren]

lol

[half harness]

lol

[prisma wave]

lol

[winter iron]

I did coaching for American football with kids between 13-18 and it was good but I guess the main difference is they choose to be there so its ez

[half harness]

you know that DM sends a notification already

[void plover]

Yeha.

[jovial warren]

@void plover don't #9

[half harness]

so you don't need to mention him, he's offline anyways

[jovial warren]

please read the rules smh

[winter iron]

Needs to change his name to Not-so-funny-Cube

[half harness]

lol

[void plover]

xD

[prisma wave]

you can DM me instead if you want 😃

[winter iron]

^

[obtuse gale]

https://wiki.bristermitten.me/contacting-funnycube @void plover

[winter iron]

he needs a friend

[half harness]

[prisma wave]

havent had one of those in a while

[void plover]

No, thank you.

[prisma wave]

?

[pallid gale]

In regards to?

[void plover]

About stats in expension.

[pallid gale]

Sure, you can dm me

[jovial warren]

right, currently looking into https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/issues/29 , and I'm trying to think of a way to remove the lateinit vars from KryptonPlayer without making them nullable, and the only way I can think of doing that is to have different player objects for different states of a player (e.g. one for just after login, then another one when we actually have the data)

I want to know you guys' thoughts on that idea, and I also wanna know if you have any better ones

[old wyvern]

Where exactly do you initialize world there btw?

[jovial warren]

atm, KryptonPlayer looks like this: https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/blob/master/server/src/main/kotlin/org/kryptonmc/krypton/entity/entities/KryptonPlayer.kt , and the issue is with the lateinit vars, see the way that Krypton spawns players on login is by instantiating the player just after we finish the login sequence, and then applying the values afterwards when we're beginning the play state, and that works fine... until you get many players joining in very quick succession, in which we get a race condition, and if a player joining manages to be instantiated before a player who joined before them, and they're in the list of players but not fully initialized, it'll throw big errors with lateinit vars not being initialised

[jovial warren]

later on, in SessionManager#beginPlayState

[old wyvern]

Which line there?

[jovial warren]

actually, it's in PlayerDataManager, my bad

[old wyvern]

Ok either way, I suggest creating the player with the required instances rather than setting them later on

This is going to keep ending in lateinit exceptions

[jovial warren]

yeah I think that's probably the best idea

[old wyvern]

On every few changes

[jovial warren]

I probably need different player objects for different states of initialisation

[old wyvern]

Try to keep the player object to always have a valid set of properties

[jovial warren]

unless I do a Minestom and just drop Location entirely

or, drop the world part of Location

[old wyvern]

Why not initialize the player once you actually have everything ready

I assume theres not much you can do with the player would the entirety of its information anyway

[jovial warren]

the handlePlayStateBegin logic would be my only concern there

[old wyvern]

lateinits get out of hand unless you're initializing asap in the class itself

[jovial warren]

specifically, I don't want it to get skipped because the player isn't fully initialised

[old wyvern]

Are you not able to have it return the information you need to append to the player rn, and create the player itself later?

[jovial warren]

wdym?

actually what am I chatting

actually hmm

[old wyvern]

Have an object that provides the changes that you would currently do to the player (for eg: setting the location?) and then once it returns and you have everything the player needs, Initialize it with that information instead of the lateinit

[jovial warren]

yeah that might work

actually idk

I'm getting confused

[old wyvern]

Might need some huge refactors considering currently it depends on late initialization

[jovial warren]

the only reason we need this info is because we need to tell the joining player about every other player on the server

lines 173-181 of SessionManager

[obtuse gale]

Anybody trhats used jetbrains exposed know how, or have an example i can look at on how I would have something like this

User has multiple Roles

Roles have multiple Permissions, and obviously multiple users

Permissions have multiple Roles obviously
just a little confused on how id do thsi

[gilded granite]

made my first website, anybody wanna check it out?

[steel heart]

yeah

sure

[gilded granite]

alr

http://www.hepno.me/

its small i just made it for fun mostly

[steel heart]

ye 1 sec

[gilded granite]

what do you think?

[steel heart]

uh good I was looking into the code

[gilded granite]

oh don't mind the 400 div's

[steel heart]

and idk do u want criticism?

[gilded granite]

yeah sure

[steel heart]

in head

the first tag should be
<meta charset="utf-8/> to avoid xss attacks

[gilded granite]

xss?

[steel heart]

Cross site scripting

google it if you're interested but yeah

[gilded granite]

alr

ill do that eventually

i mostly just made that cause i was bored lmao

[steel heart]

yeah yeah

you could arguably lazy load the css if it becomes bigger

but yeah nice one

[gilded granite]

thank you

it was my first website so i like how it turned out

[steel heart]

yeah

https://conclure.github.io/Portfolio/src/index.html

this is my first

heh

[gilded granite]

eyy your swedish?

[steel heart]

yep

[gilded granite]

ayy fellow ikea bröder

[steel heart]

u swedish also or what 😮

[gilded granite]

yeah

[steel heart]

aye

so like

also

[half harness]

also..?

[glossy pendant]

yamlConfiguration.set("completed", );

how to make a list

• "0",
• "1"

[prisma wave]

just... Set a list

[glossy pendant]

ok

thx

[half harness]

lol

also next time #development for coding help

[steel heart]

yamlConfiguration.set("completed",List.of(0,1))

[jovial warren]

I just noticed that Kotlin has a new colour on GitHub

[old wyvern]

Purple

[jovial warren]

yeah

[old wyvern]

or violet im not sure

but yea

just saw that too

[prisma wave]

Badlin

Stealing Haskell's colour

[steel heart]

I love the logo despite the language being horrific at its very core

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/uhfw.gif

you know purple is literally Kotlin's branding right?

[half harness]

[jovial warren]

also, it's a lighter purple than Haskell's purples anyway

[jovial warren]

that's the old logo

[half harness]

o

lol

[prisma wave]

That is BLUE

Not purple

[obtuse gale]

what if---

blurple

[prisma wave]

shut it you

[obtuse gale]

:o

[prisma wave]

none of your "funny comments" are wanted

I am FURIOUS

[obtuse gale]

chill

this is a More relaxed area to discuss development topics

[prisma wave]

NOT

[obtuse gale]

Not configuration help

[prisma wave]

🤬 🤬 🤬

[old wyvern]

Bardy

[half harness]

rude smh

[old wyvern]

Kotlin did switch all its branding to haskell's color

[jovial warren]

https://kotlinlang.org/ the site is literally all purple lol

[obtuse gale]

lmao

[prisma wave]

THEY STOLE PURPLE FROM US

[old wyvern]

This is the new logo

lol

[sturdy swan]

purple does look nice tho?

[jovial warren]

that's not Haskell purple

[steel heart]

new kotlin logo is fire

[ocean quartz]

Purple is nice

[prisma wave]

TREACHERY

[jovial warren]

Haskell purple is darker and less saturated than that

[prisma wave]

DONT CARE

[obtuse gale]

purples and pinks are the best colors imo

[prisma wave]

Purple is purple

[steel heart]

😊

[ocean quartz]

The old Kotlin logo was horrible lmao

[obtuse gale]

k

[half harness]

lol

[prisma wave]

UGLY LOGO for an UGLY language

[half harness]

whats on the right-

[old wyvern]

[ocean quartz]

Nah, Haskell's logo is actualy nice

[old wyvern]

Kotlin bad

Kotlin logo bad

[steel heart]

haskell bad

[old wyvern]

Kotlin color bad

[obtuse gale]

fortran good

[steel heart]

its almost the same as kotlin?

[prisma wave]

Of course it is 😌

[jovial warren]

imagine dissing a language you still use all the time and still like (as much as you can try to deny it)

[ocean quartz]

Cobol good

[steel heart]

lisp good then?

[prisma wave]

Not true

[old wyvern]

Algol good

[jovial warren]

is true

don't even try and deny it

[sturdy swan]

cough Kotlin sucks

[obtuse gale]

regardless

purples and pinks are nice

[jovial warren]

peaches fuck off

[half harness]

https://github.com/dkim19375/MCServerCreator/blob/convert-tornadofx/src/main/java/me/dkim19375/mcservercreator/MCServerCreator.kt
ouch

[jovial warren]

no one asked you lol

[prisma wave]

WISE 😌 😌 😌

[old wyvern]

Imagine using a language that says it solves nullability and ending up with lateinit exceptions 😌

[prisma wave]

🤣 🤣

[sturdy swan]

you know you love me though

[ocean quartz]

Imagine not using Elara

[old wyvern]

Its just nullability with extra steps 😄

[old wyvern]

ikr

Elara >>>>

[obtuse gale]

lateinit var
why is this everywhere

dkim smh

[half harness]

ouch

[prisma wave]

Elara or Haskell are the only acceptable programming languages

[jovial warren]

if you keep making blatantly false statements though then that's gonna change real soon

[prisma wave]

Anything else is SHIT

[old wyvern]

😌

[obtuse gale]

Objects.requireNonNull

[half harness]

this was 2 months ago

[sturdy swan]

wait are you actually mad?

[ocean quartz]

Holy fucking shit

[half harness]

dont look at line 45 - 73 tho

[sturdy swan]

lmao

[obtuse gale]

javaClass.classLoader
.getResource

[jovial warren]

kinda

[prisma wave]

^^^ average kotlin "safety" 🤣 🤣 🤣

[jovial warren]

especially because ik your reasons

[half harness]

dont look at line 45 - 73 tho
😩

[ocean quartz]

Dkim wtf are you doing

[half harness]

don't question my kotlin skills from 2 months ago

[obtuse gale]

send something more recent then

[prisma wave]

he is just following the kotlin "best practices"!!

[old wyvern]

Dear Kotlin users,
You say kotlin is null-safe. Please explain !! lateinit and platform types

[prisma wave]

they want you to do this!

[half harness]

wait but how can i fix it

[jovial warren]

platform types are not Kotlin's fault, lateinit has its uses (though should have caution exercised when using it), and !! is a sin, can agree

[prisma wave]

hahahahahahahahhaahahagagagagagagaga

stockholm syndrome 🤣 🤣

[steel heart]

wow

no

[old wyvern]

Bad!

[steel heart]

how dare u talk shit about my city

[jovial warren]

@prisma wave https://kapwi.ng/c/DLmPiukv

[steel heart]

true

[old wyvern]

"It has a problem? Oh its not from this"

[prisma wave]

wromg way round

[old wyvern]

Imagine lieing about fixing the issue of null

Couldnt be haskell

[prisma wave]

False advertising

[old wyvern]

Maybe monad 😌

[prisma wave]

😌 😌 🤣 🤣

[ocean quartz]

Maybe nomad

[jovial warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0wKv5CPtA

[jovial warren]

lol

[distant sun]

someone likes being late

[half harness]

how would i fix it? wouldn't the only other option would be to make it null?

and since it's only initialized once, at the beginning of the program, i think lateinit is good for it

and I'm not making the instances, so instead when the instance is created (from javafx) i just set the value

which is why i also have and need a singleton

[gusty glen]

idk why I did find it funny

[onyx loom]

my ij ultimate is gonna run out june 26

3 weeks

[static zealot]

no ty. bcz I've tried and they didn't want to let me drown

they're very unreliable

[half harness]

lol rip

student pack?

[onyx loom]

yh

[static zealot]

welcome to the gang

[half harness]

can't u just renew it then

[static zealot]

wait but ain't you still a student tho?

[onyx loom]

no

[static zealot]

oh?

[half harness]

oh

[ocean quartz]

Better start applying for the OS license

[onyx loom]

finished

[static zealot]

u can't renew it?

u finished what?

[onyx loom]

college

and im not going back into education

[static zealot]

wait how old are u?

[onyx loom]

17

[half harness]

o

[static zealot]

[half harness]

[ocean quartz]

Story of my life

[static zealot]

I finished highschool at 19

[half harness]

why is ur thonk bigger

that's not fair

[onyx loom]

19?

are u on old boi or did u have to redo a year?

[static zealot]

yeah. i finished and month later I turned 19

[ocean quartz]

Small dick syndrome

[static zealot]

didn't redo anything.

[half harness]

😳

[static zealot]

we have 12 years of school. 4 of primary, 4 of idk what the fuck its called, 4 highschool (only 2 are required)

[half harness]

what age did you graduate highschool?

[static zealot]

and we started at 7. now its 13 years of school and they start at 6

and then I want to go to uni for 3-4 years

well at least 1 to see how it is

we'll see if I Can handle 3 xD

[static zealot]

ah I Think its called general school

[ocean quartz]

I think highschool is supposed to be finished around 17/18

[onyx loom]

primary school is from ages 5-11
secondary school from 11-16
college 16-18
university 18+
for UK

[prisma wave]

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/haskell.html

[half harness]

oh no highschool?

[static zealot]

oh wait college is like some sort of highschool for u then?

[ocean quartz]

You're not gonna go to university Kali?

[onyx loom]

i guess

no fuck uni

[ocean quartz]

Different names, they call it college i guess, we call it secondary

[half harness]

alr

[prisma wave]

when the purely functional language performs better than a VM based around mutability with 20 years worth of optimisations 🤣 🤣 🤣

[static zealot]

well we have, primary, secondary/general, highschool / uni

[onyx loom]

😌 😌 😌 😌

[static zealot]

and yeah most people finish highschool around 18

[ocean quartz]

It's one regret i have, not having gone to uni

[static zealot]

I Did at 18 too. turned 19 1 month after I Finished

[half harness]

well we have, elementary, middle, highschool 😌

[static zealot]

was it that bad tho?

[onyx loom]

i hate education with a passion

[static zealot]

well me too. especially math

fuck math

[ocean quartz]

We call it, primary, 2nd cycle, 3rd cycle, secondary

[ocean quartz]

Not bad, but just wish i had done it

[static zealot]

oh done it. For some reason I thought you said you went to it and regret going

[onyx loom]

like im just spending 10+ years of learning stuff i dont want to learn

[prisma wave]

JVM fans in tears rn

[half harness]

oh hi semigroup mitten

[ocean quartz]

A lot of things people do that I wish i knew, and learning them on your own is a bit harder

[half harness]

wat

[ocean quartz]

Oh nah, i was saying i wish i had went to uni

[static zealot]

Ic. yeah

that's why I go too. I hope I'll get some good teachers for at least the things I Want to study

[prisma wave]

hey there dkim 19375

[static zealot]

and maybe actually teach me lmao

[half harness]

;-;

also

[ocean quartz]

I'm a bit too old for that now, tbh i still could but idk

[half harness]

i don't know why, but i just hate it when websites autocalitalize it to Dkim19375

looks ugly

[lunar cypress]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2u-iqYWYAcNCzp.png:large

[prisma wave]

Classic discord mobile

[half harness]

doesn't kotlin have lazy btw

[ocean quartz]

It's because of the numbers

Yes

[half harness]

dkim > Dkim

[ocean quartz]

Nope

[half harness]

ok time to think of another username

no numbers 😌

tbh i dont like dkim19375

too many numbers, username doesn't even have anything in it recognizable or anything to remember/recognize by

[ocean quartz]

Kdim

[prisma wave]

FAKE

[old wyvern]

Unacceptable!

The mutation community lies

[frail glade]

Time to play 5 minute deep dive in python and add new stuff to the eCloud

[old wyvern]

😮

[onyx loom]

django

[old wyvern]

ecloud 2?

[frail glade]

No lol not yet.

[old wyvern]

rip

[frail glade]

I'm going to make a page that displays the numbers of users for each expansion.

[half harness]

aw you get cool stickers D:

[steel heart]

That’s cool

[old wyvern]

😮

Wont that require change in papi as well?

[frail glade]

Nah

I'm pulling the data from bStats

[old wyvern]

ah

[half harness]

https://i.imgur.com/pGzxDs6.png discord doesn't like me ☹️

[frail glade]

Right now we have that big "other"

And some people want to see how many people are using their expansions.

[old wyvern]

ahh

nice

[frail glade]

> Testing in production

[old wyvern]

😌

[lunar cypress]

they removed the sticker shop

generally

[old wyvern]

Nitro users still have it right?

[half harness]

aw

[lunar cypress]

no

they removed it because it sucks

[old wyvern]

Thank god

No more of the weird blue demon

[lunar cypress]

They are going to add support for custom stickers instead

so you're still gonna see stickers in the future I'm afraid

And the old ones may or may not stay, not sure

[old wyvern]

😔

[prisma wave]

dw guys i got you 😄

[old wyvern]

Dammit

Why

[lunar cypress]

Ok they were supposed to remove all current stickers

but that hasn't happened clearly

[half harness]

supposed

[old wyvern]

😔

[static zealot]

clip be having a lot of fun

[obtuse gale]

Literally me

[old wyvern]

The demons took over discord

Whats clip doin?

[half harness]

i dont get it - if they want to remove it, why don't they just make it do nothing in the api?

[static zealot]

he's having fun on a swing

[old wyvern]

lol

[half harness]

lmao

[static zealot]

I got a client boys

[old wyvern]

Nice!

[obtuse gale]

Oh damn Blitz I didn't know you were a hooker

[ocean quartz]

i was gonna make the same joke

[obtuse gale]

But you didn't

[static zealot]

now u know

[half harness]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56535473/how-to-send-and-receive-strings-through-tcp-connection-using-kotlin/56546186
are making servers... really this simple? 👀

i thought it'd be more complicated

[steel heart]

It’s a long process

Like if you want something like a mc server implementation

Entirely coded from scratch

[ocean quartz]

Nah, you just open a socket then connect to the game

[obtuse gale]

Ez

Why didn't Bardy do that from the beginning

Smh

[ocean quartz]

Ikr, it'd be done already smh

[half harness]

what does bardy use?

[obtuse gale]

https://c.tenor.com/roHfF_HLbrsAAAAM/joke-miss-you.gif

[half harness]

;-;

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-henning-oooh-aaah-wow-gif-6077591

[ocean quartz]

Reminds me of this

[obtuse gale]

lmao yea

[half harness]

im so confused

☹️

[prisma wave]

theres actually something in the kotlin standard library to make a fast, lightweight minecraft server written from scratch in 1 line

i guess bardy just didnt know that existed

[obtuse gale]

Mr. Abandoned Projects is typing...

[prisma wave]

yeah

i am

you got a problem??

huh???

speak up

[half harness]

staff spamming

ban

mute

bad

[obtuse gale]

Oh no please

I'll let you finish first

[half harness]

the only thing u guys were talking about was some other language and elara

[obtuse gale]

If and when you do

[prisma wave]

pdm is finished

java 16 saw to that

[half harness]

doesn't work tho

slimjar 😌

[prisma wave]

shut it

might delete everything on the slimjar repo

force push an empty repo

:)

[half harness]

do u have contributer access

[prisma wave]

yes

[half harness]

uh oh

[ocean quartz]

BM actually made the entirety of SlimJar alone, but we committed with our names just so we could joke about it here

[onyx loom]

🤨

[prisma wave]

That's true actually

I was gonna say I'm kicking you two off the project, you're totally useless

[jovial warren]

anyone here know how to create and configure Kotlin source sets?

because I know you can configure Java ones with something like ```kotlin
sourceSets {
main {
java {
// stuff
}
}
}

but anyone got a clue how you're meant to do that for Kotlin source sets?

[steel heart]

Isn’t it just kotlin instead of java

[jovial warren]

imagine thinking I hadn't already tried that

[steel heart]

So it doesn’t work then?

[jovial warren]

no lol

idk what you're meant to do for Kotlin source sets lol

[steel heart]

Looks like it works when looking at docs

According to this very picture

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/vKps.gif

wat

link me that

[steel heart]

https://kotlinlang.org/docs/gradle.html#targeting-android

[ocean quartz]

https://paste.helpch.at/eqimabayug.kotlin

Oh is this not what you want?

[steel heart]

kotlin {
sourceSets {

}
}

[jovial warren]

https://i.imgur.com/A01zbpn.png that makes sense

[steel heart]

Lol

Ye

[jovial warren]

thanks Conclure

[ocean quartz]

Ah, i guess not the same thing i was thinking nvm then

[jovial warren]

I'm doing this since I wanna add a bit a' good old code generation

[obtuse gale]

That's how they wanna be treated as well?

Kinky

[prisma wave]

save that for the dkim den

[jovial warren]

[steel heart]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPkLZ5NjwlD/?utm_medium=share_sheet

[obtuse gale]

Sorry, this page isn't available.
The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed. Go back to Instagram.

[steel heart]

Ima try upload

[gusty glen]

just discovered that scala has mixins

[jovial warren]

nice

[prisma wave]

it has the other m-word too

and maybe even the other-other one

[onyx loom]

m-m-m-mon-ad...????? 😳

[steel heart]

Wrong! It was monoid

[prisma wave]

monoid is the other-other one

[steel heart]

Does monads and monoids have a logo if their own?

[prisma wave]

probably not

mathematical constructs dont usually have logos lol

[steel heart]

Damn

We should invent one then

[obtuse gale]

except 1

look at it

1

a masterpiece

[steel heart]

🥴

Anyone tried minestorm?

Need some opinions on it

[prisma wave]

THAT IS NOT A LOGO

FOOL

[obtuse gale]

what do you know?

[prisma wave]

MORE THAN YOU

[steel heart]

Oo

[jovial warren]

Minestom?

haven't used it, but I've heard a lot of good things about it

Krypton and Minestom are decently good friends lol

[steel heart]

Yeah saw lots of static when I took a look so that kinda scarred the heck out of me

[jovial warren]

yeah there's a decent amount of static abuse I think, but it performs very well

[steel heart]

Ah fair enough then

[jovial warren]

and when I say very well, I mean like I've seen player counts in the thousands being handled by 4 tick threads maintaining 20 TPS with no issues

[steel heart]

Oooo

Damn sounds undeniably better than spigot

[obtuse gale]

literally anything is

lmao

[jovial warren]

https://github.com/cpw/securejarhandler/blob/master/src/main/java/cpw/mods/gross/Java9ClassLoaderUtil.java can anyone tell me if this will still work in Java 16 btw?

[obtuse gale]

the hell is that

[jovial warren]

it gets all the URLs from the system class loader

[old wyvern]

Which server currently runs minestom?

[prisma wave]

joe server

[jovial warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Minestom is a server library anyway, not server software

[prisma wave]

thats what they all say

[old wyvern]

Theres a vanilla reimplementation provided by minestom

[prisma wave]

pdm is a dependency downloading library, therefore it doesnt have to be complete

[jovial warren]

yeah but it's nowhere near complete Yugi

[old wyvern]

Oh? Then where did you see that player count?

Do they have a test server?

[jovial warren]

with another impl iirc

[old wyvern]

Which one?

[jovial warren]

gimme a min, lemme find you the post in showcase

[old wyvern]

Alrighty

[jovial warren]

#706186241288306798 message

[old wyvern]

It shouldnt work

ucp is a private field

[jovial warren]

so is theUnsafe lol

[old wyvern]

That class also seems to assume that the classloader is a URLClassLoader

which apparently isnt the case on some recent version

I forget where exactly that started

might be 11 or 15

[jovial warren]

no, the app class loader isn't a URLClassLoader, but it has a URLClassPath iirc

[old wyvern]

ucp is part of the urlclassloader i believe

[jovial warren]

probably

[old wyvern]

Yea accessing that shouldnt work either

from 16

[jovial warren]

actually it will

[old wyvern]

how so?

[jovial warren]

because sun.misc.Unsafe is one of the specially excluded classes

because of how critical it is

[prisma wave]

unsafeCoerce 😌

[old wyvern]

Isnt Unsafe already scheduled for removal?

[jovial warren]

it was going to be removed in 9, but some really big libraries like Netty and Cassandra use it iirc, so Oracle decided against removing it

[old wyvern]

Ah

[jovial warren]

also, I think that code does surprisingly actually work on J16

because the author updated it to J16

[old wyvern]

Ah yes, it seems to be using unsafe to get the value rather than directly by reflection

[obtuse gale]

wanna know something funny?

you can modify fields declared as final with reflection

just like that

without any hassle

doesn't work on record components, but on regular classes

[old wyvern]

😔 Another flaw from the mutability supporting language

[obtuse gale]

tbh i have no idea why that is the case

i don't even have to modify the Modifier

[old wyvern]

Wait what?

[jovial warren]

isn't final erased by the compiler?

like there's no differentiation there?

[prisma wave]

wat

Modifier.isFinal is a thing, so no

[old wyvern]

mhm

[steel heart]

Yeah I believe some finals are erased

[jovial warren]

ah

[obtuse gale]

i mean it used to be a problem before

[steel heart]

Like local variables

[forest pecan]

lol taking hacks to another level

xD

[jovial warren]

local finals are erased, yeah

[obtuse gale]

i'm talking about fields

[old wyvern]

ikr

[steel heart]

Oh yeah then no

[old wyvern]

Haskell good, Java bad

[obtuse gale]

but i literally tested it myself on Java 16 and it just works, without changing the modifiers even

weird as fuck

[steel heart]

Pog

[old wyvern]

Very weird

Lemme check

[obtuse gale]

but i literally remember it being a problem on java 8

[forest pecan]

Unsafe is going to be removed tho soon. It didnt get removed in j16

[obtuse gale]

having to flip the bit

[forest pecan]

idk when you would ever use it

[steel heart]

Wait

Fr

Is it going to get removed?

[forest pecan]

Yes it will eventually get removed

[steel heart]

Oof

Why

[forest pecan]

What are you using it for

Lol

[obtuse gale]

that's gonna break a shit ton of libraries such as gson

[forest pecan]

Yeah it is prolly

[steel heart]

Caffeine 😔

[forest pecan]

Well, they are just moving over to more actual like supported api

its not like gonna be all gone

theres gonna be ways to do whatever you need to do in api

[obtuse gale]

eh...

[forest pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HG0YQVy8UM

[old wyvern]

Wow

[old wyvern]

I assume setAccessible removes the modifier as well

Or not

[forest pecan]

can you set it back?

[old wyvern]

its still final

[forest pecan]

oh

[forest pecan]

lol

[old wyvern]

👏 java 👏 bad 👏

[obtuse gale]

hm...

idk man

sus

[old wyvern]

very sus

Defying the laws of ... well yea

[obtuse gale]

why is this in the MC client code

[forest pecan]

where

[obtuse gale]

MultiplayerServerListPinger

https://paste.helpch.at/obivucoren.java

[static zealot]

why not?

[forest pecan]

if ("§1".equals(strings[0]))

[old wyvern]

Yup

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/sasha-banks-sasha-wwe-divabible-wtf-gif-18082772

[old wyvern]

setAccessible puts it into overrideFinal

Where override is the variable that setAccessible sets

[steel heart]

[obtuse gale]

wat

[old wyvern]

setAccessible(true)
sets override to true

Which it uses to determine if it should ignore the final modifier

Theres also an extra check

[obtuse gale]

that's stupid

[old wyvern]

But cant find tis implementation

[obtuse gale]

conclure #bot-commands is a thing

[steel heart]

Brb

[obtuse gale]

"trusted" lol

man all these concepts

probably to do with modules?

[old wyvern]

the JavaLangReflectAccess is a interface so dont know its implementation

yea possibly

No idea

[forest pecan]

Files needs a createIfNotExists method

[onyx loom]

K

[forest pecan]

im tried of checking that it doesnt exist

then creating it

idk if its worth to make my own util function for it tho lol

[distant sun]

fun File.createIfNotExists() {
    if (!exists()) makeNewFile()
}```

[forest pecan]

I was referring to more like Path. But im in java so sadly i dont got extension functions :(((

And apparantly, Lombok has extension functions in java XDD

[steel heart]

Lmao

I mean utility classes

[distant sun]

Ew @forest pecan I know you are Pulse but still

[forest pecan]

huh

Oh my name?

I should've changed it to Pulse right before nitro ran out

[steel heart]

https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/blob/master/common/src/main/java/me/lucko/luckperms/common/util/MoreFiles.java

@forest pecan

[distant sun]

No smh

[steel heart]

For u 😇

[forest pecan]

ty lmao

[forest pecan]

wait wdym lol

the lombok shit?

I don't use that

[distant sun]

Good

[obtuse gale]

I mean like yeah just make them yourself in a new utility class lmao

[forest pecan]

:`(

[obtuse gale]

it takes you a few seconds

[ocean quartz]

Wait for real?

[quaint isle]

Can someone explain to me how I can have 20 unique cloners, but only 5 unique visitors on my github repo? I haven't posted the link anywhere, how and why would people clone it without even browsing the github page first?

[forest pecan]

Yeah

lmao

[steel heart]

@old wyvern do u have an example usage of dagger like one of ur personal projects

[ocean quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-shia-labeouf-snl-skit-fingers-gif-4860090

[forest pecan]

https://dzone.com/articles/lomboks-extension-methods#:~:text=Let's talk about another excellent,are part of the class.

What is that embed

LMao

[quaint isle]

😄 fr tho am I missing something? where are all those git clones coming from?

[old wyvern]

I have a android project using dagger 2

[obtuse gale]

Siberia

[quaint isle]

that could be it 😳

[old wyvern]

Or rather hilt, but its just a slight abstraction over dagger 2

[steel heart]

Okay and do u use it for every object creation?

Or is it just upper level stuff

[ocean quartz]

I'm assuming if you have the link to clone you don't need to visit it therefore doesn't count
Also bots can clone without visiting as well (eg: codacy, jitpack, etc)

[ocean quartz]

That looks horrible lmao, so much for reducing boilerplate xD

[old wyvern]

I use it for everything

[quaint isle]

I don't think anyone has copied the git clone url and is doing it, but bots could be the reason. Thank you!

[old wyvern]

There are a few data class instantiation tho

But ofc that isnt really supposed to be injected

[steel heart]

Hmm okay

I guess I will use it for everything unless it becomes counter intuitive

[old wyvern]

You would ussually construct most dynamic data objects

Like in this case, it captures the incoming messages and creates a database entity

[forest pecan]

xD

[prisma wave]

😌

[old wyvern]

Blank sticker?

[prisma wave]

pc bad

[old wyvern]

Im on android

[prisma wave]

android bad

[old wyvern]

Ofc

[prisma wave]

Smh

[steel heart]

So assisted injection then?

[ocean quartz]

Works for me on android

[old wyvern]

oh, another one of the blue demons

[prisma wave]

Everyone's favourite

[old wyvern]

Thats not for pojos

rather to inject pojos

For example

[steel heart]

Oh

[prisma wave]

Injecting into pojos 😖

[old wyvern]

I have a ViewModel for a chat channel

it requires the id of the channel

so here

I need the dynamic data as a dependency

hence the assisted inject

[steel heart]

Okay hmm I will see if I can make something which isn’t a mess ty for the wise help master yugi

[old wyvern]

https://paste.helpch.at/ohoweyeyin.coffeescript

[steel heart]

Also what’s your thought on creating interfaces for the purpose of making it unit testable easier

[old wyvern]

Go for it

[steel heart]

Okok

[old wyvern]

Makes mocking easier

[steel heart]

Yeah

Hmmmm I kinda want to rewrite all my projects now lol

[old wyvern]

lol

[steel heart]

Also yeah when do we not need unit testing such that I would be able to skip the extraction of an interface for the purpose of easier mocking it. Utility classes would be one instance, enums I guess also but is there something else?

[old wyvern]

data objects

[steel heart]

Oh so pojos/records

[old wyvern]

mhm

[steel heart]

Nothing else than that?

[old wyvern]

Depends on you mostly

You can still mock with mocking frameworks

[steel heart]

Hmm yeah

[old wyvern]

Utility functions also need some care

[steel heart]

🥲

[old wyvern]

Some Utility functions can make the class using it harder to test

[steel heart]

Hmm an example?

Like are we talking pure utility functions now?

[old wyvern]

pure utility functions are good

[steel heart]

Oh so then impure ones

[old wyvern]

mhm

[steel heart]

Basically the entire Bukkit class would be one example

[old wyvern]

For example lets say you have a utility that copys a file from A to B that you use in a class C

[steel heart]

Yeah

[old wyvern]

Now you usually have more cases to cover

for max coverage that is