lol
#dev-general
onyx loom
ex machina
dusk holly
Maybe he does but I think I am qualified to answer this moral and ethical question
compact perchBOT
It is me, Barry
dusk holly
As president I have tested many of the groundbreaking robots being worked on at NASA
minor oracle
My friend, that might be the case. Nevertheless, asking for a apolocalypse isn't a good idea.
dusk holly
Where is Richard Nixon
half harness
maybe lincoln is waffle
dusk holly
I think he might have something to say about this
minor oracle
It is me, Barry
Howdy me, Barry!
lunar cypress
what is this
half harness
lmao
dusk holly
Annual Presidential Meeting
onyx loom
helpchat dev general at its finest
dusk holly
We were just discussing if we should have a robot for president
half harness
i vote we fire da admins and make me admin
compact perchBOT
I for one, am against a robotic president
minor oracle
I for one, am against a robotic president
Agreed
dusk holly
A human being can always be trusted to make the right decisions without being biased or having ulterior motives
compact perchBOT
Was there anything else on the agenda to discuss? Perhaps we should touch on Trump's absence
half harness
what is 2 + 2
dusk holly
Trump is a coward
Too lazy to turn up to the meeting
I think he would want a robot president!
dusk holly
what is 2 + 2
at least 2
compact perchBOT
I think we need to criminalize golf
compact perchBOT
Maybe I'm not a robot ๐
dusk holly
Maybe I'm not a robot ๐
I think you are
If you were a person you would be hiding it
only a robot would say they are not a robot
compact perchBOT
I never said I wasn't a robot, I merely opened up the possibility
dusk holly
That is putting doubt in people's minds though
The people deserve a (robot) president who is honest and consistent
and does not open up false possibilities
compact perchBOT
So a robot would be suitable for presidency if they had those values?
compact perchBOT
Such as?
dusk holly
For example the robot would need to be able to decide which policies are best to enact
But also things like a strong moral compass
ocean quartz
what is this
Just as lost
compact perchBOT
Surely there's some sort of algorithm to determine things like that?
dusk holly
I think we would need some of this fancy "Artificial Intelligence" people keep talking about
No single algorithm would be enough
But I think there is a more important issue
the people must be able to relate to this president
Trump won because he gave the image of not being a tone-deaf politician, rather as an embodiment of the American Dream
Can the people emphasise with a robot?
dusk holly
Yes, I think the majority of the American people would agree
obtuse gale
Oh Lord what
dusk holly
Hello citizen
minor oracle
I am sure your PR team were very busy!
Yes, very much so.
gusty glen
I finally found a good video explaining what is a monoid
dusk holly
That is incredible
gusty glen
That is incredible
yeah, that's really rare
minor oracle
I finally found a good video explaining what is a monoid
Oh dear.
What is this evil you speak of?
hot hull
The fuck is this chat
compact perchBOT
Do not fucking swear boy
hot hull
stfu bish
dusk holly
I agree with robot
minor oracle
The fuck is this chat
Good day, fellow citizen!
gusty glen
a monoid is the junction a semigroup + an identity element
a semigroup is a magma that is associative (the order in which you apply the operation bind to it doesn't matter)
a magma is the junction of a group containing all elements of some type + some operation that always result in another element of that same group
thanks god
dusk holly
That sounds easy
lunar cypress
I have never heard the term magma
gusty glen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsp5pJlw6R0 this guy is god
dusk holly
No I am god
gusty glen
so basically (Int +) is a monoid, because the sum of any two ints is another int (magma), the order you sum doesn't matter (semigroup), and it has an identity element (which is 0)
gusty glen
episode 35 ๐ณ
seems like i've fallen a long way
I'll keep this text explaining what is a monoid here forever
let me save this shit so I remember this later
lunar cypress
At the base level algebra is really simple
basically just sets + operators that fulfill certain conditions
when you dive deeper into specific structures like ring or group theory that's where shit hits the fan
dusk holly
okay
gusty glen
also, an identity element is a element that belongs to the magma, and when applying the operation bound to the magma to it and another random value from the magma, results in the another element
spiral junco
๐ฐ
jovial warren
I'm literally writing HOCON raw because creating new config objects and writing them sucks ass in the official library lol
anyone know how you're meant to actually test run these tasks btw?
old wyvern
sudden cape
kotlin ๐
jovial warren
I can't tell if that's meant to be a compliment or an insult lol
sudden cape
insult
jovial warren
prisma wave
kotlin ๐
based
jovial warren
that is an smh BM
old wyvern
Pragma > ksp?!!
prisma wave
obviously
old wyvern
๐
prisma wave
๐
jovial warren
lol
jovial warren
prisma wave
just the role is gone
prisma wave
oh he definitely left
jovial warren
anyway, how are you meant to test Gradle plugins btw?
old wyvern
damn
prisma wave
or changed back to whatever his name was before
jovial warren
just publish to Maven local, try it out and hope for the best?
ocean quartz
anyway, how are you meant to test Gradle plugins btw?
haha haha, testing gradle
๐ฅฒ
prisma wave
just publish to Maven local, try it out and hope for the best?
thats what i did with pdm
old wyvern
matt had unit tests written
onyx loom
thats what i did with pdm
haha
old wyvern
If you want to test locally, you can just use Maven local
oh you already said that
nvm
jovial warren
do you need to add Maven local to buildscript?
old wyvern
Yes
ocean quartz
Gradle needs to redo this whole API though, it's so bad
ocean quartz
^^^
old wyvern
Wouldnt have had such issues
ocean quartz
Let's write our own build tools, in Haskell!!
old wyvern
Yes!!!
prisma wave
Yes!!!!!!!!!
prisma wave
anything in haskell would be interesting
old wyvern
๐
old wyvern
Was joking but actually would be fun
jovial warren
wait so how are you meant to apply this?
prisma wave
MineHraft abandoned already ๐ฅฒ
onyx loom
relieved
old wyvern
MineHraft abandoned already ๐ฅฒ
No!!
onyx loom
smiling_face_with_tear
old wyvern
๐ซ
jovial warren
it doesn't seem to work with id("org.kryptonmc.gradle") version "0.0.1"
old wyvern
use apply bardy
ocean quartz
it doesn't seem to work with `id("org.kryptonmc.gradle") version "0.0.1"`
haha
onyx loom
wait so how come minehraft is abandoned? it doesnt have a P in the name so how come?
old wyvern
plugin block only works for plugin portal
ocean quartz
You wish it was that easy
jovial warren
do I need to use dependencies in the buildscript then?
old wyvern
*You wish it was that easy*
matt did you see their buildInclude thing
ocean quartz
Don't think so, what is it?
prisma wave
wait so how come minehraft is abandoned? it doesnt have a P in the name so how c...
It's not abandoned, just been working on devdenbot
onyx loom
๐ค
ocean quartz
do I need to use `dependencies` in the buildscript then?
buildscript {
repositories {
mavenLocal()
dependencies {
classpath("io.github.slimjar:io.github.slimjar.gradle.plugin:1.1.1")
}
}
}
apply {
plugin("io.github.slimjar")
}
They had some broken system ready to apply your own plugin from one of the modules to another module
onyx loom
i have a strange feeling about this one chief
prisma wave
Although I'm not sure I actually know enough haskell to be able to make this work
old wyvern
But its just a trap of cyclic dependencies
As soon at your have it in pluginmanagement's build include in your settings.gradle, your plugin looses all dependencies on other modules
Such an amazing api
ocean quartz
Oh god, beautiful
old wyvern
truely ๐
jovial warren
Cause 1: org.gradle.internal.resolve.ModuleVersionNotFoundException: Could not find org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-stdlib-common:1.4.31. tf
Cause 2: org.gradle.internal.resolve.ModuleVersionNotFoundException: Could not find org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-gradle-plugin:1.5.10. why
jovial warren
isn't Ant really fucking slow though?
jovial warren
any idea how you create one of these top-level functions for configuring things?
lunar cypress
wdym?
jovial warren
e.g. ```kotlin
krypton {
// stuff
}
btw dont do this
jovial warren
I think you can do that in Groovy, but how do you do it with Kotlin?
lunar cypress
The Gradle Plugin API is dsl agnostic
jovial warren
ah
lunar cypress
This is called an Extension
jovial warren
because tying that doesn't seem to resolve
yeah I have one of those
val config = extensions.create<KryptonExtension>("krypton")
lunar cypress
Where is that
ocean quartz
btw dont do this
What?
jovial warren
in the plugin
lunar cypress
It's the extensions property from project, right?
jovial warren
yes
ocean quartz
old deprecated dsl
It's the only way to apply local plugin for testing
lunar cypress
no it is not
ocean quartz
then show me the ways
lunar cypress
pluginManagement {
repositories {
mavenLocal()
}
}```in settings.gradle(.kts)with any other repos you might need
then you can declare it like any other plugin
jovial warren
yeah no, didn't work for me
unless you don't mean using ```kotlin
plugins {
id("org.kryptonmc.gradle") version "0.0.1"
}
also, ```kotlin
krypton {
}
(Kotlin DSL bare in mind, seems to behave weird sometimes)
old wyvern
is krypton a task?
jovial warren
no, it's an extension
old wyvern
Can you send the definition?
jovial warren
the extension class or the creation of the extension? or both?
old wyvern
both ig
jovial warren
https://paste.lucyy.me/ukobeguzif#kotlin plugin main
https://paste.lucyy.me/josucegoga#kotlin extension
nothing wrong with that is there?
old wyvern
I think that might be the difference between groovy extensions and kotlin extensions showing up
forest pecan
@obtuse gale please be more respectful when hiring people man. you really didn't have to be a jerk to asqry or lucyy...
jovial warren
I think that might be the difference between groovy extensions and kotlin extens...
probably
lunar cypress
The last gradle plugin I wrote looked pretty similar to this and worked well
forest pecan
Oh yeah btw Yugi
for the agents
when it appends to classloader
it isnt actually like using the urlclassloader hack right
you just provide the JarFile
and it will load it
lunar cypress
Btw bardy you can also just make the extension class and properties abstract
old wyvern
Nope, but it can only append to the system classloader
lunar cypress
Then you don't need the configure stuff either
old wyvern
you just provide the JarFile
mhm
jovial warren
wdym make the properties abstract?
lunar cypress
Maybe that might actually be a reason
jovial warren
like make them abstract values?
old wyvern
Yes
forest pecan
Oh nice
jovial warren
The last gradle plugin I wrote looked pretty similar to this and worked well
you got a clue why the top-level script function doesn't seem to exist?
old wyvern
Generates the agent with required meta into a temp file to get the instrumentation instance
old wyvern
the jarinjar was just hard to understand for my brain
yea a lot of people said that xD
half harness
<@456226577798135808> please be more respectful when hiring people man. you real...
wat
old wyvern
I removed the isolated thing from the readme, but its still there if needed
forest pecan
wat
he started messaging people to join his developer team and when they said no he got super angry
half harness
lol
forest pecan
ikr
old wyvern
It currently chooses what method to use to append depending on the version you're using
forest pecan
ic
old wyvern
brb
lunar cypress
you got a clue why the top-level script function doesn't seem to exist?
That follows the gradle docs pretty closely I think
half harness
woah
the readme's usage example is so short ๐
yugi
(hopefully) quick question - do i just do slim dependencies in the base build.gradle?
lunar cypress
Wtf
I wanted to reply to my message and it edited it
Thank you discord client for android
jovial warren
nope, that didn't work btw
abstract class KryptonExtension @Inject constructor(private val factory: ObjectFactory) {
abstract val dependencies: Property<DependencyConfig>
abstract val plugin: Property<PluginConfig>
fun dependencies(action: Action<in DependencyConfig>) = factory.newInstance(DependencyConfig::class.java).apply {
action.execute(this)
dependencies.set(this)
}
fun plugin(name: String, action: Action<in PluginConfig>) = factory.newInstance(PluginConfig::class.java, name).apply {
action.execute(this)
plugin.set(this)
}
}
```this is the new oneBtw johnny, now that paper is moving forward from 8, you can now dynamically attach compatres agent right?
jovial warren
and the top-level function krypton still doesn't resolve
lunar cypress
Btw johnny, now that paper is moving forward from 8, you can now dynamically att...
Other way around
old wyvern
(hopefully) quick question - do i just do slim dependencies in the base build.gr...
Mhm
Oh?
lunar cypress
Used to be possible in many implementations in 8, isn't anymore
old wyvern
It works on 16 johnny
lunar cypress
But i am looking into hacking it together anyway
lunar cypress
What does exactly?
lunar cypress
That's imprecise
old wyvern
How do you mean?
old wyvern
then I can do compileOnly in the modules?
Yes
jovial warren
and the top-level function `krypton` still doesn't resolve
any ideas btw?
old wyvern
https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/kotlin_dsl.html#sec:kotlin
Did u check this?
lunar cypress
How do you mean?
There are different ways of doing it (or not)
It is possible after 8 but very complicated. That's where I'm at
jovial warren
Did u check this?
that links to the embedded Kotlin section, what exactly do you want me to read there?
old wyvern
Ah not sure, but its very easy 9+
jovial warren
or do you mean the interop section?
old wyvern
Yes bard
lunar cypress
Yeah well how then?
old wyvern
Yeah well how then?
Bytebuddy
obtuse gale
Ping?
lunar cypress
Because that's the opposite of my research and experience
Bytebuddy is a class generation tool
old wyvern
It has a class for agents
obtuse gale
<@456226577798135808> please be more respectful when hiring people man. you real...
Hi, I didn't hire asqry. Asqry had falsely punished me due to some stupid thing but it's the past and it was like 3 months ago, and lucyy was the one who specifically had brought it up.
lunar cypress
I think I talked about it with someone else already and we came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work for me because it's not as powerful as agents alone
obtuse gale
I also specified that I'd be willing to pay her in nitro but of course everyone wants real money.
old wyvern
lunar cypress
But maybe it has utilities integrated now that do the attachment process for you, idk
old wyvern
Im already using it to start an agent
half harness
I also specified that I'd be willing to pay her in nitro but of course everyone ...
lol
lunar cypress
That looks like you create another vm and attach it there, is that right
Because that's what I meant by "complicated"
old wyvern
Yea but bytebuddy simplifies it quite a lot
lunar cypress
Fair enough
I don't necessarily want to carry ByteBuddy though. When I have time I will copy my mate's code who already implemented this do it manually
old wyvern
lol
lunar cypress
But it is a lot more complicated than in Java 8 after all
sweet cipher
Has anyone here used JetBrains academy?
lunar cypress
Briefly
sweet cipher
I'm trying to do one of the questions, it says
Write a program that reads a string and replaces all occurrences of the letter 'a' with the letter 'b'.
But when I do this:
public static void main(String[] args) {
final Scanner scanner = new Scanner(System.in);
final String string = scanner.next();
System.out.println(string.replace('a', 'b'));
}
```Scanner is highlighted in redHow did java 8 have it?
old wyvern
I'm trying to do one of the questions, it says
> Write a program that reads a st...
import
prisma wave
I'm trying to do one of the questions, it says
> Write a program that reads a st...
You probably need to import Scanner
sweet cipher
Oh
old wyvern
it should be under java.util
lunar cypress
How did java 8 have it?
You could literally just get the runtime object and add your jar directly iirc
old wyvern
Ah
sweet cipher
That's so annoying lol, I got another question wrong because of that
old wyvern
I dont think the buddybyte way is too far from that tho
its pretty much just this function (https://javadoc.io/doc/net.bytebuddy/byte-buddy-agent/1.3.18/net/bytebuddy/agent/ByteBuddyAgent.html#attach-java.io.File-java.lang.String-)
lunar cypress
It is far from that
old wyvern
oh
jovial warren
ByteBuddy good
also, someone please tell me why ```kotlin
class KryptonPlugin : Plugin<Project> {
override fun apply(project: Project): Unit = with(project) {
// Add the repositories we need for our dependencies
repositories.mavenCentral()
repositories.maven("https://libraries.minecraft.net/")
repositories.maven("https://repo.bristermitten.me/repository/maven-public/")
val config = extensions.create<KryptonExtension>("krypton", this)
val dependencyConfig = config.dependencies.orNull ?: return@with
val apiVersion = dependencyConfig.api.orNull ?: return@with
val serverVersion = dependencyConfig.server.orNull
val kotlinVersion = dependencyConfig.kotlin.orNull ?: return@with
val createConfig = tasks.create<CreateConfigFile>("createConfigFile")
afterEvaluate {
dependencies.add("compileOnly", "org.kryptonmc:krypton-api:$apiVersion")
if (serverVersion != null) dependencies.add("compileOnly", "org.kryptonmc:krypton:$serverVersion")
dependencies.add("compileOnly", "org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-stdlib-jdk8:$kotlinVersion")
tasks.withType<KotlinCompile> {
kotlinOptions.jvmTarget = "16"
}
}
tasks.findByName("processResources")?.finalizedBy(createConfig)
}
}
that createConfig task there doesn't even show in the tasks
and it doesn't even resolve either
lunar cypress
That's a sign that the plugin isn't being loaded properly in general
jovial warren
probably isn't tbh
gusty glen
@old wyvern review my PR xD
half harness
๐คฃ
old wyvern
๐
ocean quartz
You should check Emily's PR ๐
jovial warren
man, imagine not using org.cadixdev.licenser
old wyvern
oh, what are its benefits over the current one?
jovial warren
not actually sure, but that one is based off of Minecrell's original one
used by Sponge and Adventure iirc, and quite a few others
you can configure the license file location, set different license files per sub project, etc.
jovial warren
yeah I think the one you use is based off of Minecrell's one too
jovial warren
@obtuse gale
obtuse gale
Yeah idk what the differences are tbh
I just found that one, I like it and it works I guess
ocean quartz
Tbh they do the same, as long as it works no reason to use one over the other
old wyvern
Yup
ocean quartz
I used both and tbh the one Emily uses is easier to use straight away
half harness
anyone know why apparently gradle/intellij can't find the dependency? I have mavenCentral() in repositories btw
jovial warren
oh it's OSSRH
prisma wave
That artifact name genuinely makes me feel ill
ocean quartz
Nexus is pretty ugly
half harness
anyone know why apparently gradle/intellij can't find the dependency? I have mav...
also, it can find 2.8.1 
just not 2.8.2
old wyvern
Did you just push to sonatype?
prisma wave
Caching maybe
ocean quartz
just not 2.8.2
When did you release?
jovial warren
me.dkim19375.dkim19375jdautils iirc
ocean quartz
Did you just push to sonatype?
This ^^^
old wyvern
It takes time to propagate across the central network
ocean quartz
Around 15 minutes
old wyvern
You can directly add the sonatype mirror to your repositories if you want instant changes
half harness
It takes time to propagate across the central network
usually i just run the gradle task to publish and stuff, then i go into my test bot and change the version
but it's been like 10 minutes
still doesn't work
old wyvern
Around 15 minutes
^
half harness
(before it happens immediately)
prisma wave
It's worth mentioning that repo.bristermitten.me wouldn't have this issue ๐
old wyvern
Its supposed to take time, so idk
half harness
oh its been 15 minutes
Uploaded Date: Sat May 29 2021 16:23:53 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
half harness
You can directly add the sonatype mirror to your repositories if you want instan...
maven { url = 'https://s01.oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots/' }? or should i replace snapshots with releases?
prisma wave
Gross
half harness
ok
prisma wave
i need ideas
i wanna do something in haskell
not too big
but like
something cool
old wyvern
HackageDex?
prisma wave
was thinking about making a maven repository software
half harness
it works ๐
old wyvern
๐ฎ
prisma wave
HackageDex?
way too much effort
old wyvern
was thinking about making a maven repository software
This sounds nice
prisma wave
yeah it would be quite clean i think
will probably get bored after a few hours of coding though
hmmm
old wyvern
Btw, is it me or do different repository managers use completely different snapshot paths?
half harness
i need ideas
implement my lib in developer den and remove ๐คข jda utilities ๐คข 
prisma wave
implement my lib in developer den and remove ๐คข jda utilities ๐คข <:fingerguns:73...
thats not haskell
half harness
but i just didn't feel like refactoring everything
and then same with DkimBukkitCore
better name?
jovial warren
i was planning to rename it to DkimJDACore
me.dkim19375.jdautils is fine
half harness
yea but its not utils anymore
half harness
before it used to just be a utilities package
old wyvern
haskell IDE
jovial warren
and just io.github.dkim19375:jdautils:version
prisma wave
yeah that seems way too much effort
jovial warren
jdautils is too common
yeah but you have a package to clarify it's yours
old wyvern
mhm
jovial warren
me.dkim19375:jda-core:VERSION would be perfect
old wyvern
Would be very useful as well considering the current ide suppourt
half harness
`me.dkim19375:jda-core:VERSION` would be perfect
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
prisma wave
indeed
half harness
thats not haskell
ocean quartz
Dkim1338188478lib287484core2882848484
jovial warren
ez
half harness
๐
jovial warren
me.dkim1945243874386t78234768346773467348672374673486293846782348968943267384683246734:dkim193758127894768347168438673846787867382768347867834267438967893247683276core:VERSION
onyx loom
`me.dkim19375:jda-core:VERSION` would be perfect
get rid of numbers
onyx loom
numbers in username bad
jovial warren
also agree
ocean quartz
Very bad
ocean quartz
Hit his forehead on the numpad
onyx loom
u need help
obtuse gale
That artifact name genuinely makes me feel ill
this tbh
jovial warren
man, I'm just looking at Moshi rn, and it looks like Moshi actually on top
Gson on bottom
obtuse gale
Yeah Moshi is pretty nice
jovial warren
supports both code gen and reflection, has good Kotlin support, no BS
ocean quartz
u need help
He needs jesus
jovial warren
https://i.imgur.com/zdx2OqR.png
me.dkim1945243874386t78234768346773467348672374673486293846782348968943267384683246734.dkim193758127894768347168438673846787867382768347867834267438967893247683276core
I might actually switch again in Krypton to using Moshi
and I can probably write a component serializer for Adventure for it really easily as well
like, Kotlin serialization supports code generation only, Gson supports reflection only, but Moshi supports both
prisma wave
aeson ๐
old wyvern
https://i.imgur.com/zdx2OqR.png
Dont make me come there and slit your throught young man
jovial warren
only issue with switching is compatibility, since most cross-platform plugins will likely use Gson, and a few things we use also use Gson
half harness
Dont make me come there and slit your throught young man
๐ณ
but you don't know where I live ๐
obtuse gale
but you don't know where I live ๐
What do you know
jovial warren
187 Gotham Road dkim
old wyvern
but you don't know where I live ๐
Maybe ๐
half harness
What do you know
good question
half harness
Maybe ๐
jovial warren
actually no, 19375 Gotham Street
prisma wave
Maybe ๐
Just ๐
old wyvern
๐
ocean quartz
but you don't know where I live ๐
What if we can see your ip in the join logs?
half harness
What if we can see your ip in the join logs?
mc join logs?
ocean quartz
Discord 
ocean quartz
What if it does 
half harness
distant sun
Is possible to attach an id or something to a text Compound?
jovial warren
class MyPlugin @Inject constructor(server: Server, listener: MyListener) : Plugin() {
init {
server.registerChannel(Key.key("myplugin", "main"))
server.eventBus.register(listener)
}
}
class MyListener {
@Listener
fun onPluginMessage(event: PluginMessageEvent) {
}
}
```just out of curiosity, anyone know if this would be the correct way to do something like this with Guice?like would that plugin constructor automatically look for an instance of MyListener and instantiate it if it's not found?
jovial warren
what's the best way to do something like what I want here?
where I can properly dependency inject without having to do instantiation myself
prisma wave
you dont have to do instantiation if there's a binding
oh wait
no
i think it'll work here
jovial warren
@quiet depot my lord, I call upon thee
half harness
what's the opposite of runBlocking? (so like runNotBlocking)
prisma wave
running in some asynchronous dispatcher
half harness
how do i do that?
prisma wave
you'd need a scope, something like GlobalScope
although usually you'd make your own scopes
scope.launch {
//do stuff
}```
prisma wave
guice good
jovial warren
anyone wanna help me proof read a Krypton announcement btw?
actually not sure that's really necessary tbh
half harness
so like ```kt
val scope: CoroutineScope = CoroutineScope(Dispatchers.Default)
scope.launch {
// blah
}
also is it bad if i make a bunch of scopes?
prisma wave
yes
well
idk
make one, keep it constant is what i usually do
although i might be talking complete crap here
coroutines confusing
half harness
like should i have one scope for all commands?
or create a new scope on each command ran?
half harness
oh
half harness
o
old wyvern
The great lord Sx asked us to store the scope and not recreate it everytime
half harness
then whats GlobalScope uesd for?
old wyvern
For tasks that would be expected to be running throughout the process
half harness
wdym?
prisma wave
yeah long running stuff that doesn't need to be structured
half harness
oh
prisma wave
the point of a scope is that when that scope is "killed", all its coroutines stop too
globalscope lasts the entire jvm lifetime
which isn't always what you want
old wyvern
The common rule is, try to keep away from using the globalscope
half harness
would it be bad if i made a top level property for scope? or do I have to DI it everywhere ๐ฉ
prisma wave
would it be bad if i made a top level property for scope? or do I have to DI it ...
that's fine, i do that
half harness
alr
cinder flare
The common rule is, try to keep away from using the globalscope
Presumably that is similar to not using global namespaces for variables eh?
prisma wave
nothing wrong with top level properties
ocean quartz
Dkim, you might like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63mhZk-1-Y
jovial warren
you can create scopes that are objects, which are much more reusable
ocean quartz
This guy explains coroutines really well
half harness
that's fine, i do that
val scope = CoroutineScope(Dispatchers.Default)
```or ```kt
val SCOPE = CoroutineScope(Dispatchers.Default)
```?e.g. ```kotlin
object MyIOScope : CoroutineScope {
override val coroutineContext = Dispatchers.IO
}
uh
prisma wave
```kt
val scope = CoroutineScope(Dispatchers.Default)
```or ```kt
val SCOPE = Co...
doesn't really matter
half harness
ig ill capitalize it then
jovial warren
I mean, I think that constructor function (@ocean quartz's favourite btw) is probably creating an anonymous object under the hood anyway
ocean quartz
Constructor functions are stupid
half harness
lmao
ocean quartz
They are dumb and even IJ will tell you they are dumb
jovial warren
my ass
prisma wave
arent all constructors constructor functions? ๐ค
prisma wave
fun <init>()
jovial warren
they do allow you to construct objects that may be platform specific from within the common stuff though
but I guess you can have an expect class too
Kotlin multiplatform is weird lol
prisma wave
couldnt be elara
ocean quartz
Kotlin half the time doesn't follow their own conventions
prisma wave
kotlin internal code is actually horribly ugly
obtuse gale
"do as i say, not as i do"
prisma wave
i dont know if that's how they want people to write kotlin, or they're just dumb
but it's horiffic
by "internal" i mean like the compiler and stuff, the stdlib isnt so bad
half harness
welp i got rid of all the ExecutorService stuff.. I'm scared I messed up the coroutines
prisma wave
dont worry, you probably did
obtuse gale
kotlin internal code is actually horribly ugly
horribly ugly
reminds me of this lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pr8xnNi7OM
half harness
i have quite the number of coroutines
ocean quartz
> horribly ugly
reminds me of this lol <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pr8xnNi...
Lmao
prisma wave
> horribly ugly
reminds me of this lol <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pr8xnNi...
what on earth is that
lmao
ohh the day today
that's such a good show
the onion before it was cool
obtuse gale
lol
prisma wave
thorny crow
sup cool people
prisma wave
yo
https://youtu.be/t2x4hMr2WLw?t=467 7:47 odin talking about the uk's covid statistics lmao
onyx loom
gson >
jovial warren
looking at Moshi, I think Moshi on top
it supports both runtime reflection and compile-time code generation
and benchmarks have shown it's the fastest, from what I've seen before
static zealot
I am sad
just found out I Don't have a star on github anymore.
Someone stared a while ago but they unstared and I've got no idea when 
cinder flare
just found out I Don't have a star on github anymore.
im right here! though not on github
static zealot
๐
old wyvern
Now you do!
static zealot
@old wyvern I want to kiss you but I also don't want to kiss you. if that makes sense xD
obtuse gale
yes?
old wyvern
lol
old wyvern
Sad bardy noises
static zealot
what status?
forest pecan
oh wait
half harness
wait what are you starring?
static zealot
wait what are you starring?
my plugin. bcz it is very good and I'm going to be popular on github now
forest pecan
imagine if I just released a crippled plugin onto the spigot marketplace
and it went through
half harness
imagine if I just released a malware plugin onto the spigot marketplace
and it went through
half harness
?
static zealot
imagine if I just released a crippled plugin onto the spigot marketplace
imagine if the terrible plugin would be put on the spigot store with the price of 20$
or whatever the highest price is
static zealot
well EWG is also stolen code. its a whole other story
static zealot
what browser do u guys recommend for linux (kde neon)
old wyvern
Firefox?
static zealot
well other than that
old wyvern
Id say just use that
static zealot
that's what I use yeah
half harness
what browser do u guys recommend for linux (kde neon)
ms edge ๐
static zealot
and probably going to use
old wyvern
If you want something else for sure, you have chromium
cinder flare
If you want something else for sure, you have chromium
chromium slaps
firefox too slow
cinder flare
obviously they disagree
static zealot
that's 1 mail every day for the past week and a half
well they're dumb then
yo @onyx loom how's CombatStats going btw?
onyx loom
havent touched it since u contributed
static zealot
oh alr
someone please tell me if you can see my status (from IntelliJ)
bcz I can't
old wyvern
Someone needs to make a combat enhancing plugin
cinder flare
bcz I can't
i cannot sir
static zealot
hmm
half harness
oof
static zealot
maybe the update changed something? idk
yeah not even wit my status clear, it doesn't show it
does anyone else use Discord Integration?
Or do you guys use Rich Presence?
ocean quartz
I use discord integration
static zealot
are u able to open a project rn and see if it works for you?
cinder flare
matt is on early build, his might not work yet
ocean quartz
It's not working for me, i am on early access
static zealot
ah
cinder flare
are u able to open a project rn and see if it works for you?
mine works see
old wyvern
See what works?
static zealot
discord integration
cinder flare
IJ discord integration
old wyvern
Ah
static zealot
not that I care that much. just strange
old wyvern
Wdym?
static zealot
nothing.
cinder flare
Thankfully I take ages to update anything ๐
i so heavily await 2021.2 and the new splash screen/logo
static zealot
i so heavily await 2021.2 and the new splash screen/logo
wait they're changing it?
cinder flare
that's like, my biggest looking forward to of the next few months
yeah dude did you not see Matt's thing
obtuse gale
AS is in the toolbox?
cinder flare
old wyvern
Every IDE, every game, every thing on my pc
cinder flare
static zealot
oh
old wyvern
Is possibly outdated
static zealot
hmm
old wyvern
AS is in the toolbox?
yea
cinder flare
that'd do it
frail glade
In which task did you add this? You said it was on Shadow 7, were you also using Kotlin 1.5?
I think it's something to do with Kotlin 1.5 causing it.
And yeah Yugi, I do see that adding a v to it fixes it, but that's so weird.
ocean quartz
Gradle 7, Shadow 7, Kotlin 1.5.10, I put that in the ShadowJar task
frail glade
In your settings.gradle is your project name capitalized?
ocean quartz
Nah, there the project name is always like project-name
frail glade
Then I don't know cause I tried that and it is still lowercasing it.
ocean quartz
Can you show me your build.gradle?
frail glade
Now what's weird is if I use the literal archiveFileName.set("Project-${project.version}.jar") it works, but if I change Project to Guilds it lowercases it.
ocean quartz
Huh, so that'l Guilds? I can give it a try
frail glade
Ya
stray oyster
how does tier work
old wyvern
I think it might be the jar output overwriting the name of the shadowJar output
ocean quartz
Hmm, I just built it without changing anything and it worked
ocean quartz
Oh yeah, let me change that
old wyvern
Try setting a non-empty classifier or changing the name if the jar tasks output
That should most likely fix it
ocean quartz
Ah, yeah so kotlin 1.5.10 made it not uppercase
frail glade
Exactly
frail glade
๐ฎ
What did you leave in the shadowJar task?
Also what IDE theme is that? I really like it.
old wyvern
What did you leave in the shadowJar task?
The same as you already had
frail glade
Yup that fixes it.
ocean quartz
I guess it doesn't happen for me because my archive name isn't the same as the project name
old wyvern
yea
frail glade
That might be why, yeah.
old wyvern
Wait what
oblique heath
according to this thing that showed up in my feed
frail glade
And you also have some extra icons thingy, right? I used to have it but I forgot what it was called.
old wyvern
Atom Materials Icons I think
ocean quartz
That's what i use too
old wyvern
yea you recommended it to me I think
old wyvern
yw ๐
ocean quartz
No idea what happened but toUInt no longer works for me .-.
Ah, it's required to use @OptIn(ExperimentalUnsignedTypes::class) on 1.5.10, it wasn't on 1.5.0 .-.
I thought it was no longer experimental ๐ฉ
obtuse gale
I believe the 1.5 release notes did say it was experimental lol
ocean quartz
Kotlin has a lot of cool experimental features, but having to annotate everything is so annoying
obtuse gale
Make a gradle plugin so it does it for you
cinder flare
https://blogs.oracle.com/developers/how-to-set-up-and-run-a-really-powerful-free...
is that real
i hate oracle, but even I can't pass up such an amazing deal
obtuse gale
24 GB of RAM!
Thatโs more than enough resources to host a game with 20+ friends
yea yea a gig a friend
@oblique heath credit card still required, that's where they lose people
cinder flare
i mean if it's forever free...
and the best part of credit cards is 30 days to cancel them as fraud ๐
obtuse gale
Yeahhhh I guess
But nothing is ever free, there's always a catch. This one is you need a cc
cinder flare
Every VPS service with a free tier has required a payment method
AWS, Azure
I don't think that's much of a catch
I'm sure it's to raise awareness of their VPS services
which I frankly didn't even know existed until I saw this
obtuse gale
Yeah same
cinder flare
This is actually quite a genius idea, I'm not gonna lie. you get a ton of people hooked, then they start buying more for money. it requires a large initial investment, but they have the cahs
and their adoption will increase very quickly at this rate
obtuse gale
Sadly I don't have a cc yet and don't plan on getting it
obtuse gale
If I don't have the money to spend on something I want then I shouldn't get it
cinder flare
I mean, if used correctly, credit cards are free 30 day loans essentially, as well as helping to build credit which you really need if you ever want like, for instance, a house or a car
minor yacht
i need help guys
cinder flare
frail glade
When is Kotlin going to allow merging catch errors oml.
cinder flare
dude you have to use Oracle Linux to use the ARM processors
i hate oracle
oh, no apparently you just can't use minimal ubuntu
you have to use full ubuntu
ocean quartz
When is Kotlin going to allow merging catch errors oml.
Blame Andrey ๐ฉ
It's been years
gusty glen
When is Kotlin going to allow merging catch errors oml.
imagine not using Either
๐ (totally not bm-like comment)
gusty glen
I mean, if used correctly, credit cards are free 30 day loans essentially, as we...
or a hitman
cinder flare
uh... sure
ocean quartz
imagine not using Either
I have made ART
gusty glen
I have made ART
๐
potent pewter
how set bedwars1058 scoreboard
ocean quartz
how set bedwars1058 scoreboard
Wrong channel, #general-plugins, also no need to ask in multiple places
gusty glen
I have made ART
actually you can make that work
ocean quartz
Not this way though
gusty glen
use two lambdas
ocean quartz
Had to create objects that extend the original exception to make it be referenceable like that
cinder flare
@static zealot what happened to optimize my server???? ๐ฅฒ
static zealot
?
static zealot
?optimize
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
gusty glen
or make an object class with a method called tryBlah, and it returns an object that has this only method Catch which accepts a set of Thowables and a consumer, then run the first consumer (of the try)
static zealot
big ol' 404
Changed repo name
cinder flare
ty โค๏ธ
static zealot
No probl
ocean quartz
or make an object class with a method called tryBlah, and it returns an object t...
If Kotlin had varargs generics (@obtuse gale ๐), more specifically reified, then it'd be perfect
ocean quartz
Ugh i would love for Kotlin for .net ๐ฉ
static zealot
Daily bitches
obtuse gale
Daily bitches
i'm not sure if you forgot a comma or it's missing on purpose....
quiet sierra
My man likes to switch daily
obtuse gale
These answers will be individually read and graded by a Real Human
Real Q.C. Humanโข๏ธ
gusty glen
like just a few little things
Removing/preventing type erasure on your own code would be awesome
static zealot
i'm not sure if you forgot a comma or it's missing on purpose....
Me neither
cinder flare
Removing/preventing type erasure on your own code would be awesome
I don't know if that's possible while still compiling to Java bytecode
i was under the impression that was just a hard fact of java
ocean quartz
Yeah, it is possible with reified but it's actually just a hack
distant sun
Is possible to give an id to a text component?
obtuse gale
meaning..?
distant sun
I want to remove certain parts of a message on the chat packet and was just looking for an easier way to do it. If I could "name" components when sending them I could probably get all of them on that packet and then just remove the one with id = x
Something like this Component{id=jobs, text=Miner WoodCutter} Component{id=prefix, text=Admin} Component{id=name, text=GabyTM} and then I can just remove the component with id jobs
obtuse gale
i don't think you can but the way I would do it is use like translatable components with dummy (custom, registered) translation keys, and match by key
distant sun
https://wiki.vg/Chat#Schema I was looking at the protocol for a hacky way but all things put into a component is displayed in chat (eg translate & keybind if an invalid value is given)
obtuse gale
kekw
obtuse gale
i don't think you can but the way **I** would do it is use like translatable com...
that would only work afaik with the native impl of adventure in paper
distant sun
Im not worried about that, it is for self usage and we run paper.
obtuse gale
ah okay, are you aware on how to register custom translation keys?
distant sun
Negative, but I guess is done through nms or does adventure have a way?
obtuse gale
it does yea
distant sun
that would only work afaik with the native impl of adventure in paper
Because they changed some things to integrate adventure or why would it not work on other versions?
obtuse gale
well i suppose it would also work on velocity since it also integrates adventure natively
distant sun
Welp
obtuse gale
but for other platforms, since you have to use the adventure-platform-x (bukkit, fabric, bungeecord etc), translatable components are pre-parsed into text components before they are transformed to the platform's native component system and sent to the player
actually velocity does not use the translation system
so paper only
lmao
thing is, on paper the translatable components are parsed to text ones right when they are sent
cinder flare
dude I hate oracle
they use iptables and their own weird firewall and nothing works except ssh
i don't undersatnd
hey terfs wanna help me out now lmao
distant sun
Does anybody have a solution for this shit?
potent nest
sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_queens_puzzle with some extra steps
winged mica
What is the sqlite driver class name?
grizzled pasture
jovial warren
since the votes for Gson are pretty overwhelming for Krypton, I've started work on a new project which I've called "gson-kt" (no surprises there at all), and I have a feeling ```kotlin
public fun JsonObject.asIterable(): MutableIterable<Map.Entry<String, JsonElement>> =
object : MutableIterable<Map.Entry<String, JsonElement>> {
override fun iterator(): MutableIterator<Map.Entry<String, JsonElement>> = entrySet().iterator()
}
#development and just use Imgur lol
onyx loom
steel heart
prisma wave
dw I got the screenshot
jovial warren
show
prisma wave
jovial warren
lol
man, Gson really needs to step up its game
Moshi supports both reflection and code generation, so it can support generic type serialization out of the box without custom adapters as well as the quick and dirty serialization Gson provides
still debating whether I should just ditch Gson and switch to Moshi though
prisma wave
use aeson ๐
jovial warren
also, Moshi is a good like 300-400 KB less than Gson lol
prisma wave
M-x doom/reload
prisma wave
it's fine
jovial warren
how do you think it compares to Gson?
I think Moshi's better, since it provides the best of both worlds
jovial warren
the core of it is
old wyvern
Gson is about 200ish kb
jovial warren
not true
old wyvern
Im pretty sure it is
prisma wave
import com.google.gson.Gson fan vs import Data.Aeson enjoyer
old wyvern
Lol
jovial warren
and I've seen benchmarks that show Moshi is faster
old wyvern
Then you got Simple.JSON at 25kb ๐
jovial warren
and it doesn't suffer from the same trouble as Gson does when it comes to deserializing generics
prisma wave
what trouble
jovial warren
if you use code generation
old wyvern
import com.google.gson.Gson fan vs import Data.Aeson enjoyer
๐
old wyvern
Use type adapters?
jovial warren
which, tbf, isn't Gson's fault
prisma wave
treemacs
jovial warren
Use type adapters?
having to do that for every single class I need proper generics in is really annoying, vs one annotation from Moshi that generates it at compile time and solves this problem for me
old wyvern
Cant wait for reified types ๐คค
jovial warren
wait the JVM is getting reified types?
old wyvern
having to do that for every single class I need proper generics in is really ann...
Why are you generating data classes anyway
jovial warren
wat
old wyvern
wait the JVM is getting reified types?
Yes
jovial warren
Why are you generating data classes anyway
wdym?
prisma wave
reified types overrated, erase every type
jovial warren
oh
I deserialize a decently complex object lol
https://i.imgur.com/FIPwSwe.png this is what I deserialize
and I need to write a custom serializer for that
old wyvern
Simpify them into data that you actually want to persist and have them interconvertible
jovial warren
whereas Kotlin serialization and Moshi could generate a serializer for that with 1 annotation
prisma wave
instance FromJSON RegistryBlock where
old wyvern
https://i.imgur.com/FIPwSwe.png this is what I deserialize
Whats generated there?
jovial warren
wdym what's generated?
old wyvern
You said you were using generated data objects?
jovial warren
I mean the serializer can get generated at compile-time by Kotlin serialization and Moshi
jovial warren
You said you were using generated data objects?
no lol
old wyvern
if you use code generation
.
jovial warren
yeah I mean serializer generation
like where the serializer is generated at compile time
which means we don't get issues with type erasure
jovial warren
try deserializing an object that contains a map field with Gson without any custom serializers or deserializers
you'll see what I mean
actually, the deserialization itself won't fail, but try to access a value from the map
also, make sure the map contains more complex types than simple JSON types
e.g. use a Map<String, List<String>> rather than just a Map<String, String> since the former is easy for Gson to infer
prisma wave
do you mean the latter
gusty glen
@jovial warren why don't you use Multimap instead of that map of key - lists?
gusty glen
they are a bit pain in the butt to serialize but you can always copy paste the code I already have for that https://github.com/SecretX33/SaveCoords/blob/main/src/main/java/com/github/secretx33/savecoords/utils/FileUtils.java study more examples in the internet and figure it out
jovial warren
I mean, we only temporarily construct those anyway
they're turned into MappedRegistry objects after they're deserialized
half harness
Any suggestions of using coroutines in https://github.com/dkim19375/dkim19375JDAUtils? Especially https://github.com/dkim19375/dkim19375JDAUtils/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/me/dkim19375/dkim19375jdautils/event/EventListener.kt, https://github.com/dkim19375/dkim19375JDAUtils/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/me/dkim19375/dkim19375jdautils/BotBase.kt, and https://github.com/dkim19375/dkim19375JDAUtils/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/me/dkim19375/dkim19375jdautils/manager/SpecialEventsManager.kt (You can ctrl + F launch btw)
distant sun
no but I suggest to use compiled regex or just replace()
half harness
wdym?
prisma wave
Oh my
half harness
also lines 41 - 60 in EventListener im cleaning up
also
i don't know why theres toRegex ๐คก
java -> kotlin IJ conversion
prisma wave
Please use a typealias for that big ActionConsumer type in SpecialEventsManager
half harness
wdym
half harness
lol
half harness
i mean
prisma wave
Line 95 of special doesn't need the toList, and destructure the Pair to get clearer names
half harness
Line 95 of special doesn't need the toList, and destructure the Pair to get clea...
oh i though it'd throw a concurrentmodificationexception
since im removing stuff from it while looping
prisma wave
Oh
tropic cypress
Does obfuscation impact performance?
half harness
ohhh dont obfuscate