thats a lot of steps
#dev-general
forest pecan
ocean quartz
That's how Ktor does it, the companion works like a factory, this way the main feature doesn't have to be a singleton
forest pecan
I think if i were to do it (which I won't), id prolly take the WebEngine then override some of the draw methods of the Scene/Stage class in JavaFX
then pass the pixel data stuff into the itemframes
old wyvern
That's how Ktor does it, the companion works like a factory, this way the main f...
ahh
errant geyser
JavaFX seems like a massive pain the arse
ocean quartz
This is how it looks behind the scenes, generics galore
old wyvern
also uh why the public modifiers?
forest pecan
JavaFX seems like a massive pain the arse
what part about it?
errant geyser
Taking after KTor are we
ocean quartz
also uh why the public modifiers?
ExplicitAPI mode, for libs it's recomended
ocean quartz
Taking after KTor are we
Hell yeah, i love it
errant geyser
what part about it?
The XML mainly
old wyvern
oh kotlin has such a mode that comes with it? or is it separate?
forest pecan
Oh yea thats reasonable
ocean quartz
It comes with it, a option on the Kotlin extension on gradle
errant geyser
Hell yeah, i love it
Can't argue with that. I made a POST API with it at the weekend and it's very simple
old wyvern
ah, thats pretty lit
obtuse gale
Twitter
old wyvern
oh wait, they split it up into 2 actual versions
I thought part 2 was coming in a minor version of 17
welp
so now the huge cliffs thing is for 1.18
cinder flare
yea
cinder flare
yeah dude summer 2021
errant geyser
Somehow I'm finding Swing easier than JavaFX... I feel like this is eventually going to hurt me but eh
half harness
also can't u use arrayOf :p
onyx loom
instantiating an array there is setting its max size
errant geyser
please use tornadofx
Is it really that much better?
All I need is an interactive grid
old wyvern
What are you making?
old wyvern
Is it really that much better?
Its just more apt if working with javafx on kotlin
errant geyser
What are you making?
Eventually, Conway's Game Of Life for my A-Level CS project
old wyvern
In that case, why not draw the cells instead?
errant geyser
I've literally never made a GUI in Java/Kotlin before in my life
old wyvern
๐ฅฒ
old wyvern
I've literally never made a GUI in Java/Kotlin before in my life
yea, id say drawing is better than using actual components for this use case
That should be almost the same across swing and javafx
errant geyser
Wait but if I just drew them on how would I change the colour of them later and stuff
errant geyser
What filth
jovial warren
not sure if that's a sin or not but it bloody god damn works
https://i.imgur.com/1hYRxwt.png I think that might clear things up
cinder flare
mmm look at all that contrast
jovial warren
what
old wyvern
Wait but if I just drew them on how would I change the colour of them later and ...
You draw every frame
Or atleast when you want change if you want to optimize
errant geyser
I can sort of draw a grid, but I have no idea how I'd change them later on
jovial warren
if (field != null) throw IllegalStateException("You can't reassign the server! Honestly, plugins these days...") lol
errant geyser
Why are you exposing a field if it always needs to be null
half harness
just asked someone about my rpi not logging in... im doomed
errant geyser
oh ok
jovial warren
old wyvern
I can sort of draw a grid, but I have no idea how I'd change them later on
Javafx or swing?
errant geyser
Swing
errant geyser
https://bin.osable.tech/udukoxifiw.kt
Well yeah but surely that'd be horrible if I only have to change one square
old wyvern
You'd probably not even notice it
this is with js canvas but redraws the entire thing every frame
https://vshnv.github.io/game-of-life/
old wyvern
wdym lazily redraws?
cinder flare
like only redraws the part it needs
same as like how video streaming works kinda
i dunno that might be totally wrong
obtuse gale
im getting a error "No handlers found for this command" how do i fix
im using this
https://autocode.com/tools/discord/command-builder/
prisma wave
static zealot
what
forest pecan
all those github actions
forest pecan
Lol
jovial warren
https://paste.lucyy.me/fojuhivupu#kotlin I wonder if I should actually add this to the API and if this looks good for the API console sender
I only want to expose the console sender to allow you to make checks to see if a sender is the console more easily
pale shell
I gotta work out how to code these things, this'll be "fun".
ocean quartz
Ayy Lucy fixed the colors
static zealot
๐ฎ
static zealot
how the hell do I cancel an ovh VPS? Do I just let it expire?
jovial warren
you looked in your panel?
static zealot
yes
jovial warren
you tried asking your best friend Google?
static zealot
yes
static zealot
oh boy... let me amaze you
it says its suspeneded but they still spam me renewal emails
that's what I meant
anyways will just let them spam me for now xD
jovial warren
lol
static zealot
I gotta say, wine sucks
static zealot
I was talking about actual wine smh
old wyvern
Here we go
steel heart
Waffle + Slimjar = Happy
old wyvern
Yup, switching to linux everytime to test on 16 takes too much time
frail glade
Makes sense
old wyvern
hmmm
frail glade
Status report?
frail glade
Oh really? That sounds promising.
frail glade
Well if it works, that's good enough for me.
old wyvern
Alrighty, now just need to have it switch been this and normal addURL while on 8
frail glade
Awesome!
static zealot
hmm @frail glade are you able to access my fork of DeluxeMenus? Like if you go to my profile can you see it?
ah according to the settings you can. So I must not be able to see your fork bcz I was added after you forked it I guess
frail glade
cj
static zealot
but yeah just wanted to make sure bcz I'll ask you to review the code later. (made a different branch so it doesn't mess up the opened PR)
frail glade
๐
static zealot
testing rn and seems to work so far
static zealot
@frail glade think I'm done. Fixed the /dm list command as well finally :).
When u got a few minutes to check the code and tell me what I've messed up here's the link: https://github.com/BlitzOffline/DeluxeMenus/tree/menureload
static zealot
||btw maybe check the PR first so I can PR this too if its fine. xD|| well I Think that's all for tonight. gn
ocean quartz
My brain hurts, doesn't the class implement TriumphPlugin? So this should fit P : TriumphPlugin no? >.<
static zealot
a blob of meat and proteins
old wyvern
My brain hurts, doesn't the class implement `TriumphPlugin`? So `this` should fi...
Matt, the issue is that P need not be a "BukkitPlugin"
ocean quartz
Generics ๐ฉ
steel heart
Wouldnโt it be like TriumphPlugin<BukkitPlugin>
thick nova
beta blitz or matt help me in #placeholder-api
steel heart
Or nvm
old wyvern
Imagine a case where someone tried to make a BukkitPlugin<SomeOtherPlugin> where SomeOtherPlugin : TriumphPlugin
now that this isnt valid
static zealot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIL5fuAUPiA
short answer. yes but actually no xD
old wyvern
xD
static zealot
@cinder flare I'm sorry. How is this a javascript syntax error? (https://paste.helpch.at/egeyiqaxim.pl) lmao
ocean quartz
Hmm Yugi, this doesn't work either ๐ซ
BukkitPlugin<P : BukkitPlugin<P>>
static zealot
steel heart
Why do you have to use generics btw
ocean quartz
Because I need the "child" to be the one extending, for example if I don't do generics and do this instead
This works
But this doesn't
static zealot
BukkitPlugin<P : BukkitPlugin<P: BukkitPlugin<P: BukkitPlugin<P: BukkitPlugin<P: BukkitPlugin<P: BukkitPlugin<P: BukkitPlugin>>>>>>>```better
old wyvern
I guess throw in a cast Matt
steel heart
Uh Idk cuz I havenโt worked with kotlin generics
half harness
I'm trying to do this: https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/signing_plugin.html#using_in_memory_ascii_armored_openpgp_subkeys but it keeps saying Could not read PGP secret key.
The variables are set (not null), copied and pasted keyId and password from gradle.properties and for key i pasted it (without the header and footer) from gpg --export-secret-keys --armor blah
Anyone know why?
old wyvern
Because I need the "child" to be the one extending, for example if I don't do ge...
public abstract class BukkitPlugin<P : TriumphPlugin>(
private val module: P.() -> Unit
) : JavaPlugin(), TriumphPlugin {
override fun onLoad() {
module(this as P)
}
}
Aight let me give that a try
old wyvern
(not isolated)
Oh btw @ocean quartz
ocean quartz
Oh?
old wyvern
Got it to append to system classloader on 16
ocean quartz
Oh yeah I saw it earlier, so it doesn't need jar in jar?
ocean quartz
That's awesome, how did you do it?
ocean quartz
Does it depend on ByteBuddy now? ;o
old wyvern
I can download that at runtime
ocean quartz
Ooh that's really cool, imma be honest the jar in jar was being very hard to understand xD
old wyvern
xD
obtuse gale
is anyone here good with modding
Perhaps
What for
Okay Joseph I see you waited 2 minutes and left
ocean quartz
Aight let me give that a try
Casting works, kinda nasty but works ๐ฉ
half harness
https://github.com/dkim19375/dkim19375JDAUtils/runs/2680744069
How do i fix this? because it's not like i have can 2 build.gradles...
obtuse gale
i have can 2 build.gradles.
old wyvern
Remove direct property references dkim
use project.findProperty("propertyName") instead
oak raft
Okay Joseph I see you waited 2 minutes and left
Impatience is a virtue
gusty glen
Casting works, kinda nasty but works ๐ฉ
does your TriumphPlugin extends BukkitPlugin?
ocean quartz
The other way around
gusty glen
so the hierarchy is JavaPlugin -> TriumphPlugin -> BukkitPlugin (in which -> means extends)?
half harness
: means implements/extends
gusty glen
kotlin is complaining because there's nothing preventing the user from doing KT Class1 : BukkitPlugin<Class1>(...) // fine Class2 : BukkitPlugin<Class1>(...) // stupid user, cast exception
ocean quartz
Yeah i know but there isn't anything i can do about it
Well other than the unsafe cast
obtuse gale
stupid user
there's your answer
ocean quartz
I'll probably be the only user so
gusty glen
can't you store the class as variable?
ocean quartz
I mean i need the instance not the class
gusty glen
no you didn't got what I tried to say
public abstract class BukkitPlugin<P : TriumphPlugin>(
private val clazz: KClass<P>,
private val module: P.() -> Unit
) : JavaPlugin(), TriumphPlugin {
override fun onLoad() {
module(clazz.cast(this))
}
}``` or something like thatHmm that just sounds like extra steps
gusty glen
yeah, but the way I see you only this option or unsafe casting
because type erasure ๐คฎ
actually, what this consumer module is supposed to do?
what is the point of exposing P to P if P is already got access to members inside P
oh nvm, if you're extending it you need to pass all the arguments direct on the constructor
just add a check inside a init block then
init {
require(this is P) { "Stop being dumb dumb" }
}```Not exposing P to P, I just need instance of P to call the module function
gusty glen
I meant like using P as receiver (which is basically expose P as this inside the module consumer lambda), and if I understood correctly, P should be the class that is directly extending BukkitPlugin
ocean quartz
Yeah that is correct
gusty glen
so it in, in a sense, expose P as this to the own P
ocean quartz
This is the full example
gusty glen
does BukkitPlugin<TestPlugin> { install(TestFeature) } also compile?
ocean quartz
Uh where would i do that?
gusty glen
public class TestPlugin : BukkitPlugin<TestPlugin> { install(TestFeature) }
just curious, I have never something like that before
gusty glen
how about public class TestPlugin : BukkitPlugin<TestPlugin> ({ install(TestFeature) })
ocean quartz
Yeah but that's the same as having the extension, just .. uglier
ocean quartz
Ayy this works now
The feature still doesn't but the enable, etc, is being called correctly
cinder flare
<@!186255788212355073> I'm sorry. How is this a javascript syntax error? (<http...
uh that looks like a yaml error? did I say it was a js error? ๐
ocean quartz
Feature works in a very simple way too, don't even need to do much to get the plugin instance
static zealot
uh that looks like a yaml error? did I say it was a js error? ๐
Yeah. It was mentioning a javascript but is a yaml error indeed
cinder flare
oh yea yea
distant sun
Well if you read the entire error ..
obtuse gale
Reading is for nerds
distant sun
Feature works in a very simple way too, don't even need to do much to get the pl...
:O
slender roost
discord lookin fancy https://i.gyazo.com/b78e5f737893ad7f26e28a9d708448fe.gif
distant sun
Nice
obtuse gale
Hot
distant sun
does jda have that?
jovial warren
JDA has it on a test branch
But it's not in stable since the API is really rushed according to Minn
static zealot
yo @ocean quartz is this not the latest version of GUI?
implementation 'me.mattstudios.utils:triumph-gui:3.0.5' bcz rn it can't find it for some reason
nvm it can't find older versions either. repo down?
oh nvm
forgot -SNAPSHOT
jovial warren
Smh
winter iron
Is anyone available to help me test my plugin
Just need you to login
and type a command
and click a button
if no one can in the next few mins, ill ask again later i gotta go soon
static zealot
if no one can in the next few mins, ill ask again later i gotta go soon
version?
winter iron
latest pls
static zealot
just wanted to make sure xD
static zealot
@ocean quartz how am I supposed to use SkullBuilder?
Think this means the constructor is private ^
distant sun
you access it through ItemBuilder afaik
distant sun
static zealot
yeah found it. ty very much
distant sun
np
pale grail
where can I ask questions regarding deluxemenus? I believe there is an issue with the plugin
obtuse gale
forest pecan
slender roost
oh it's https://www.npmjs.com/package/discord-buttons
yup, so amazing
pale shell
JDA when ;-;
pale shell
i'd probs still use it lol.
slender roost
no need to saving message id anymore xd
pale shell
I'm always like 4 years behind on updating so
slender roost
but it's still kinda shit, you can only use 4 colors or something
pale shell
why no hex
pale shell
sadly isn't all features rushed now?
prisma wave
It's all rushed
pale shell
oh hi bm
pale shell
hows you
pale shell
I thought you finish school at like 12?
pale shell
btw, i don't actually know if I managed to sort out the feature I was saying about yesterday
I might just be coding it badly in my plugin what is hooking into but idk
prisma wave
o
pale shell
?
pale shell
I don't get that meme
prisma wave
whatsapp cologne
old wyvern
prisma wave
^^
pale shell
whatsapp cologne
does it smell like angry ex?
You know when you're getting old when you don't know all the new memes ๐ฆ
pale shell
atleast that was on mute
pale shell
https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027
lmao
prisma wave
Shut it
old wyvern
I dont think there is more to that meme than the car's color
People are just really bored
prisma wave
the Helpchat car
old wyvern
๐ฎ
prisma wave
I dont think there is more to that meme than the car's color
The music is fire though
old wyvern
lol
half harness
epic
pale shell
<:thonk:839868629914222603> epic
Install IntelliJ.
pale shell
why
half harness
lol
pale shell
its not even properly wrapped on.
old wyvern
๐
prisma wave
๐
pale shell
Doesn't that trigger others?
quiet depot
I do not condone this usage of the placeholderapi logo
old wyvern
xD
pale shell
why not
half harness
lol
obtuse gale
lmao
pale shell
i swear i'm getting more and more dumb
I set the blocks to chiseled sandstone and couldn't workout why the blocks didn't update... the creeper face is only on the side
prisma wave
prisma wave
๐ฅฒ
old wyvern
half harness
lol
pale shell
i wanna ask something but i know i'll be roasted like hek
prisma wave
jovial warren
that thumbnail is seriously cursed Yugi
old wyvern
lmao
old wyvern
that thumbnail is seriously cursed Yugi
ikr xD
prisma wave
Nice edit
pale shell
who is daBabby
old wyvern
rapper
pale shell
sounds overrated
prisma wave
Like haskell
old wyvern
Have you not heard "Rockstar"?
pale shell
?
old wyvern
It was literally playing everywhere around the blm times
prisma wave
rockstar kinda fire
pale shell
disown me go ahead
quiet depot
rockstar, the game dev company?
prisma wave
rockstar, the game dev company?
Song
old wyvern
quiet depot
oh
obtuse gale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcRLTClL5YU
man I saw that one yesterday alongside the "whatsapp car" ones... what have i brought upon these lands....
pale shell
never heard of
quiet depot
don't think I've heard it either
old wyvern
man I saw that one yesterday alongside the "whatsapp car" ones... what have i br...
wait what xD
prisma wave
the whatsapp car vs the Helpchat car
old wyvern
The convertible one?
pale shell
don't think I've heard it either
ty
obtuse gale
jesus christ
old wyvern
the whatsapp car vs the Helpchat car
Helpchat car all the way!
pale shell
where's the helpchat car
old wyvern
quiet depot
I am
quiet depot
I haven't heard that song before
prisma wave
pale shell
jovial warren
lol
pale shell
the fuck
old wyvern
That was top on spotify playlists for a few weeks
pale shell
look up "helpchat" in the gif search
old wyvern
What xD
obtuse gale
That was top on spotify playlists for a few weeks
i listen to the same 40 songs on repeat every day, idk what you're talking about lmao
pale shell
enjoy yugi
forest pecan
smh who sent that
quiet depot
who tf uses spotify
pale shell
me
old wyvern
I do
half harness
not me ๐
forest pecan
I do
old wyvern
enjoy yugi
?
quiet depot
what a waste
old wyvern
I havent found a better free replacement for phone yet
forest pecan
you unculutured pig
old wyvern
Im not wasting any money, Im on the free package
forest pecan
Same ^
old wyvern
just don't listen on phone
๐ฅฒ
old wyvern
Im almost always have a song playing
forest pecan
Airpods + spotify go well together
old wyvern
cant bring my laptop around
pale shell
airpods = shite
forest pecan
airpods = shite
No ur shite
cinder flare
yea spotify is okay
forest pecan
you spend like 200 bucks on nitro
pale shell
airpods are overrated
pale shell
you spend like 200 bucks on nitro
no comment
cinder flare
airpods aren't really overrated
old wyvern
I need bluetooth headphones ๐ฅฒ
quiet depot
yugi listen to nature
cinder flare
the point is ease of use
old wyvern
yugi listen to nature
nature is boring tho
cinder flare
just pop em in and they work, it's amazing
forest pecan
yugi listen to nature
only artificial music
pallid gale
ah yes dev chat not on topic per usual
forest pecan
Not my fault
pale shell
just pop em in and they work, it's amazing
pallid gale
chaotic normal
pale shell
same thing
cinder flare
nah you gotta listen to music while developing!
jovial warren
cube there's no such thing as on topic dev general
old wyvern
ah yes dev chat not on topic per usual
Yea its lacking some monoids
cinder flare
https://tenor.com/view/parksandrec-ronswanson-headphones-gif-4714743
it is quite annoying having wires lol
forest pecan
"not configuration help"
obtuse gale
Not configuration help though
frigid badge
I believe dev-general is more off-topic than off-topic is
pale shell
get wireless then?
pale shell
get wireless headphones exist
cinder flare
get wireless then?
that's... what airpods are
pale shell
but airpods are tiny
prisma wave
Yea its lacking some monoids
๐
forest pecan
Thats the point lol. Airpods are supposed to be tiny and easily transportable
cinder flare
and they mess up your hair if you just got out of the shower
forest pecan
Lol
pallid gale
Quick! name your favorite development jargon words
cinder flare
yea the point is airpods are small and super easy to use
pale shell
i don't have long hair
cinder flare
Quick! name your favorite development jargon words
set theory!
prisma wave
Quick! name your favorite development jargon words
Monad
cinder flare
i don't have long hair
neither do i
forest pecan
And also no one runs in a huge ass headphone
old wyvern
Quick! name your favorite development jargon words
Applicatives!!
forest pecan
airpods are ideal for sports
pale shell
then how does it mess up your hair?
pale shell
And also no one runs in a huge ass headphone
i do?
forest pecan
Maybe odin is bald
quiet depot
Quick! name your favorite development jargon words
yes
forest pecan
lol
cinder flare
flattens the top and gives you big ear rings lol
forest pecan
Headphones add weight
pale shell
dude i got a flat head so
old wyvern
false
pale shell
quiet depot
I think yes is just my favourite word in general
forest pecan
Flat head?
cinder flare
i mean you don't have like.. any hair?
forest pecan
Lol
pallid gale
I think yes is just my favourite word in general
You are a yes man
cinder flare
anything that goes above your normal hair can be flattened
quiet depot
where does your flatness start frank
pale shell
i have more hair than funnycubes pfp
quiet depot
like above the eyebrows?
jovial warren
Quick! name your favorite development jargon words
loch ness monster bug
pallid gale
buttons coming to djs v13
pale shell
below piggy
pallid gale
many hype
pale shell
no
cinder flare
"normal hair"
yeah upon rereading that sentence, it doesn't make any sense
jovial warren
buttons?
old wyvern
The +1 -1 things I mean
obtuse gale
lol
prisma wave
"I will turn a ni**a into an Applicative"
- DaMonad
old wyvern
Can the yrespond to them?
quiet depot
buttons don't seem suited to showcase
cinder flare
i think i meant "any hair that is above your scalp can be flattened"
old wyvern
"I will turn a ni**a into an Applicative"
- DaMonad
๐ฎ
half harness
I think yes is just my favourite word in general
pale shell
fire bm
half harness
hmm
quiet depot
wat
jovial warren
forest pecan
bm gonna get redacted
quiet depot
impossible
pale shell
I've sent 28k messages?! wtf
half harness
you like denying a lot ๐
quiet depot
power trip
pale shell
piggy am i hot
forest pecan
I've sent 28k messages?! wtf
ive sent 32k messages in helpchat and 31k messages in spigot
quiet depot
fuck no
forest pecan
lmao
pale shell
oh
cinder flare
I've sent 28k messages?! wtf
weak
pale shell
spigot has a discord?
quiet depot
spigot does indeed have a discord
forest pecan
spigot has a discord?
cant believe you didnt know
lmao
its the palce for most shit
pale shell
i prefer helpchat's
forest pecan
which goes on
old wyvern
prisma wave
oh my
pale shell
i've never been there
old wyvern
Damn old man has no side profile photos
pale shell
?
prisma wave
stupid Simon
pale shell
bm who's that dev you support atm
prisma wave
?
old wyvern
Aristotle!
pale shell
simon cowell or something
old wyvern
Simon Peyton Jones
prisma wave
๐
pale shell
thats him
half harness
simon cowell
pale shell
overrated person
half harness
lol
pale shell
why you guys bully me
cinder flare
cause you a hater
pale shell
it's the same name
cinder flare
"i hate airpods"
pale shell
yes
prisma wave
heresy
quiet depot
nah
forest pecan
then i can get to 30
old wyvern
he speaking fax
IOException
quiet depot
i'm a better gift candidate
prisma wave
IOException
IO ๐
old wyvern
๐
pale shell
i might've caught and done a return; on a NPE today
forest pecan
ok
pale shell
isn't that good practice?
jovial warren
wat
prisma wave
Haskell compiler wouldn't allow that
jovial warren
why would that be good practice
cinder flare
why you guys bully me
i might've caught and done a return; on a NPE today
pale shell
stops errors
prisma wave
(obvious bait)
pale shell
is intellij 2021 actually much different btw
quiet depot
u guys wanna see some questionable shit
this is how I used to write objects https://github.com/MinePoS/Plugin/blob/6daa73a289a66872b509585bc8d57fa111551053/src/main/java/net/minepos/plugin/core/objects/gui/GUIItem.java
forest pecan
yes
prisma wave
is intellij 2021 actually much different btw
different to what
pale shell
2020
obtuse gale
this is how I used to write objects https://github.com/MinePoS/Plugin/blob/6daa7...
what is that
cinder flare
what is that
looks like mine piece of shit maybe?
prisma wave
Aren't you using 2021?
quiet depot
@obtuse gale idea was u didn't have to care about order when u put in parameters
obviously failed miserably when there was two fields of the same type
forest pecan
that looks cursed
jovial warren
parents just told me that some people have told them they'll be taking the internet out for a couple of hours, and they gave no notice or anything ๐ฅฒ
cinder flare
obviously failed miserably when there was two fields of the same type
ah well that's when parameter naming is brought out lol
quiet depot
I did consider just passing a big string in
obtuse gale
parents just told me that some people have told them they'll be taking the inter...
RIP
get a book
cinder flare
get a book
cinder flare
hurry load this before the internet turns off
quiet depot
turn on the phone hotspot
quiet depot
also "mine piece of shit" ๐ฆ
prisma wave
"listen to nature"
cinder flare
also "mine piece of shit" ๐ฆ
wait is that not what it stands for lmao
quiet depot
star are you aware of the biggest scams in the minecraft community
no
minecraft point of sale
obtuse gale
LOL
cinder flare
wait it's actually point of sale
cinder flare
that thought flashed my mind for like .3 seconds
quiet depot
are you aware of the biggest scams in the minecraft community
obtuse gale
star are you aware of the biggest scams in the minecraft community
Minecraft Dungeons?
jovial warren
get a book
๐ฅฒ
quiet depot
ok
jovial warren
turn on the phone hotspot
yeah might do that
quiet depot
in the server world, there are known scammers
quiet depot
not in game
cinder flare
ohhhh
quiet depot
server administration side
pale shell
in the server world, there are known scammers
good guys?
quiet depot
ok
the biggest scams in the minecraft community, is a list
made by me
about 2 minutes ago
it looks like this:
cinder flare
oh
quiet depot
- Tebex
- Tebex
- Tebex
old wyvern
Whats Tebex?
cinder flare
oh I see you made a storefront
pale shell
1. Tebex
2. Tebex
3. Tebex
how
old wyvern
ohh
obtuse gale
huh?
old wyvern
Also.. uh.. so a guy got banned on spigot and is now asking me to add his alt manually to the buyers list...
um
cinder flare
ohh
Named after Haskell Curry, one of the inventors of combinatory logic. there's a man named HASKELL CURRY
old wyvern
`Named after Haskell Curry, one of the inventors of combinatory logic.` there's ...
Yea
cinder flare
i love him
old wyvern
They were initally going to name Haskell, "Curry"
obtuse gale
Also.. uh.. so a guy got banned on spigot and is now asking me to add his alt ma...
lmao
quiet depot
does he rap and code
old wyvern
But then switched to "Haskell"
pale shell
Also.. uh.. so a guy got banned on spigot and is now asking me to add his alt ma...
why
cinder flare
so he can download the plugin still?
cinder flare
wait why
old wyvern
wait really?
pale shell
you can
old wyvern
This is his ban reason btw
pale shell
old wyvern
yea, hmm
oak raft
1. Tebex
2. Tebex
3. Tebex
How..?
quiet depot
very expensive for what it offers
old wyvern
I guess I should just ignore his messages then
oak raft
I guess so. What's you alternative?
cinder flare
he made one lmao
old wyvern
MinePOS!
cinder flare
mine piece of shit!
quiet depot
ded
oak raft
๐คฃ
obtuse gale
lmao
old wyvern
Wasnt there a commit like a month ago?
old wyvern
ah
static zealot
I guess so. What's you alternative?
craftingstore
prisma wave
quiet depot
that was minecraftmarket
half harness
hi remence
oak raft
Hey dkim
static zealot
Didn't they have a db leak or smth
no idea. I just know its cheap xD
well cheaper*
oak raft
that was minecraftmarket
Yeah but I remember one with craftingstore as well
static zealot
and also the free plan has a bit more customisation as well
half harness
rip bot hosting
quiet depot
point is tebex is ridiculously priced for what it offers
it's insanely expensive
lots of people disagree with me though so maybe i'm just (what's the word when you don't like to spend money)
cinder flare
frugal?
static zealot
poor xD
cinder flare
haha
static zealot
stingy?
cinder flare
12.49 euro per month isn't that bad for all the features it has though
quiet depot
stingy works too
cinder flare
it's annoying accepting credit cards and stuff
static zealot
12.49 euro per month isn't that bad for all the features it has though
but crafting store offers a lot more for a lot less.
quiet depot
except star, that literally costs more than most peoples servers
static zealot
lmao
static zealot
alr
half harness
i might leave the potato pc group in a few weeks ๐
cinder flare
oh damn you need to do 24.99 per month to remove branding
static zealot
k
cinder flare
that's a yikers
cinder flare
i might leave the potato pc group in a few weeks ๐
yet can't afford another pi huh?
half harness
lol
im still trying to see if i canc recover it
it just black screens whenever i log in
and then goes back to login page
old wyvern
i might leave the potato pc group in a few weeks ๐
For that 250CPS PogChamp No scope420 bridge??
๐ฅฒ
half harness
For that 250CPS PogChamp No scope420 bridge??
ofc
static zealot
and then goes back to login page
but u said windows good tho...
half harness
but u said windows good tho...
yea, that happens on pi, i use it to host bot
old wyvern
old wyvern
static zealot
half harness
uh
static zealot
half harness
half harness
wtf
static zealot
@onyx loom found the new smiling face with 3 tears lmao
half harness
> idonthavetheemojisadface
prisma wave
static zealot
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ฅฒ 
half harness
its too yellow
jovial warren
thinking of switching Krypton to using Guice, anyone wanna try and convince me? lol
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
typical
jovial warren
I would use Koin but it seems like a bit of effort
jovial warren
maybe someone's made some Guice Kotlin stuff
because plain old Guice kinda sucks ass to use in Kotlin imo
prisma wave
there is a project with extensions
jovial warren
any idea where it is?
prisma wave
no idea just google "guice kotlin"
jovial warren
https://github.com/misfitlabsdev/kotlin-guice here we are
forest pecan
Guice, Kuice, and Juice
jovial warren
also BM, Koin would be good if it automatically scanned for stuff to inject, instead of always requiring manual configuration
jovial warren
that's the only reason I don't like it
quiet depot
guice is best
jovial warren
property injection in Kotlin is actually decently idiomatic
prisma wave
no it's not
jovial warren
yes it is
prisma wave
Elaborate
prisma wave
Having a nice API doesn't mean it's a good practice
it's still implicit coupling which is generally considered a bad practice in every language
jovial warren
implicit coupling?
prisma wave
makes it very hard to unit test your classes
yes
without looking at the class body there's no way of knowing MyClass depends on SomeOtherClass
jovial warren
maybe Koin with constructor injection isn't a bad idea
prisma wave
So you can't instantiate it "normally"
prisma wave
so you'll get confusing errors, and as I said, harder to unit test
jovial warren
no extra configuration required lol
prisma wave
Without setting up koin static bindings again
jovial warren
just works
prisma wave
Spring is good
jovial warren
like Spring DI is so good that you can inject all subclasses of a class by using the type Set<SuperClass>
quiet depot
rpf can do dat
jovial warren
and with Kotlin, it doesn't even require any annotations either
prisma wave
Guice has that too
jovial warren
can Guice scan say @Singleton constructors and call them without needing to explicitly use @Inject btw?
jovial warren
like if you have this ```kotlin
@Singleton
class MyClass(val injected: SomeClass)
no need for the @Inject annotation there
is there?
jovial warren
because having to do @Inject constructor is really annoying
jovial warren
also, is @Singleton a bit like Spring's @Components?
quiet depot
unless guice has special support for kotlin
jovial warren
like it's a singleton instance that can be injected elsewhere
quiet depot
singleton ensures only a single instance of the class will exist in the injector
jovial warren
yeah
jovial warren
kinda thinking that Koin still might be the better option (using constructor injection, not property injection before you blow up again)
prisma wave
Probably doesn't matter
jovial warren
yeah it doesn't, just Koin is much more idiomatic and just better to use in Kotlin than Guice is
half harness
```kotlin
class MyClass() {
val injected by inject<SomeOtherClass>()
}
```
how does that work?
ocean quartz
Delegate properties
jovial warren
what is everyone else's opinion on Koin's property injection btw?
because I've heard BM's POV too many times now lol
ocean quartz
It's alright, i know it's used quite a bit in the android community
prisma wave
๐
obtuse gale
oh the spigot discord
jovial warren
yeah didn't you hear dkim? Intel just released their new Pentium models yesterday, and legend has it, they're the fastest ones yet!
remote goblet
lunar cypress
half harness
i know - it was a joke -_-
finite dirge
Good day. I can't ping my menu I put the domain there but I can't please send it to me as it should be.
input: '%pinger_online_mc.viveland.eu:25569%'
(&e%pinger_players_mc.viveland.eu:25569%&8/&e%pinger_max_mc.viveland.eu:25569%&8)
half harness
Good day. I can't ping my menu I put the domain there but I can't please send it...
wrong channel - #placeholder-api
gusty glen
koin would be great, if you didn't have to specify the injections directly
ocean quartz
Features work 
errant geyser
Seggc
jovial warren
oh btw, before I forget again, can you guys compile a list of all the things you've ever had to use NMS for with Bukkit for me pls?
obtuse gale
The one feature I kinda like playing around (that Paper provides) is custom GameProfiles
For head textures, player skins etc
You can't do that on Bukkit or Spigot API
half harness
oh btw, before I forget again, can you guys compile a list of all the things you...
NBT (could use nbtapi, but still, without nbtapi you would have to use nms i think)
jovial warren
you mean being able to access GameProfile through the API?
ocean quartz
For me, custom mobs, pathfinding (paper provides), navigation, etc
ocean quartz
NBT (could use nbtapi, but still, without nbtapi you would have to use nms i thi...
PDC
jovial warren
NBT (could use nbtapi, but still, without nbtapi you would have to use nms i thi...
the issue with NBT is that it's implementation-specific
jovial warren
it's implementation detail
ocean quartz
Plus Dkim, NBT api is useless, there is PDC
obtuse gale
Why would you need that anyway? Most of vanilla NBT is exposed in API, display name, lore, attributes, etc etc
ocean quartz
Why would you need to access vanilla nbt like that?
And fuck old versions
half harness
it was just a suggestion for krypton api ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
obtuse gale
you mean being able to access `GameProfile` through the API?
Yeah so like Player#setProfile or whatever, same thing for player heads
prisma wave
the issue with NBT is that it's implementation-specific
How so?
The end result is always the same
obtuse gale
it was just a suggestion for krypton api ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Also there are no guarantees that tag names will stay the same across Minecraft versions, things like the display name and display lore have changed capitalization and names entirely throughout the years (among many other things)
The server API resolves that
prisma wave
The format is well documented
prisma wave
about RUDDY time
prisma wave
problem?
obtuse gale
Yes
prisma wave
okay ๐
ocean quartz
Nice, I love the CSS
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
basically, optionals suck
Writing @Nullable Point is analogous to Optional<Point>, but with significant benefits:
You get a compile-time warning or guarantee, not a run-time crash.
WHAT
jovial warren
I personally prefer JSR 305 to optionals
obtuse gale
> Writing @Nullable Point is analogous to Optional<Point>, but with significant ...
I mean... you also get a warning for .get()ing without checking lmao
prisma wave
some of these points are literally trolling
obtuse gale
That's literally a stupid point to compare
jovial warren
the misuse one is kinda interesting I think, since it shows how optionals are actually more verbose and require more checking
prisma wave
thats the point lmao
jovial warren
since the optional itself might be null
obtuse gale
That's the dumbest shit one could ever say
prisma wave
nullable optionals are very very highly discouraged, to the point where you should always assume an optional is not null
jovial warren
yeah but to be at least 90% sure that your reference is non null, you should probably be checking if the optional itself is null
ocean quartz
nullable optionals are very very highly discouraged, to the point where you shou...
Reminds me of this
prisma wave
yeah but to be at least 90% sure that your reference is non null, you should pro...
no you shouldn't
prisma wave
Reminds me of this
dear god
Every error that you might commit when working with nullable references has a direct analogue that you might commit when working with Optional, and the consequences (a run-time exception) are equally as severe. Thus, Optional alone doesn't solve any problems.
tf does that even mean
obtuse gale
the misuse one is kinda interesting I think, since it shows how optionals are ac...
I mean the idea around optionals is it forces you to check
jovial warren
also, java if (myOptional.isPresent()) { myOptional.get() } vs ```java
if (myValue != null) {
myValue
}
path finder
obtuse gale
And?
prisma wave
also, ```java
if (myOptional.isPresent()) {
myOptional.get()
}
```vs ```java...
that's not really a real example
typically you'd combine map, ifPresent, etc
Optional's syntax is uglier than use of nullable references.
debatable, it's often more concise
jovial warren
average optional user vs average JSR 305 enjoyer
prisma wave
Optional is less efficient than use of nullable references.
sure, but it's negligible (valhalla should fix this too), and all abstractions have overhead
ocean quartz
"Enjoyer" no one is enjoying anything with nullability
ocean quartz
Valhalla ๐ฅบ
jovial warren
"Enjoyer" no one is enjoying anything with nullability
no but more people use JSR 305 than the people that use optionals lol
and more people enjoy JSR 305 than people that enjoy optionals
prisma wave
no but more people use JSR 305 than the people that use optionals lol
vox populi fallacy
ocean quartz
no but more people use JSR 305 than the people that use optionals lol
More people use Java than Kotlin, is Kotlin worse?
obtuse gale
Yes
jovial warren
true
obtuse gale
๐
prisma wave
we have already established MANY times that popular != better
ocean quartz
Popularity has nothing to do with something being better or not
jovial warren
also, I really need to bug Kotlin about upgrading to allow optionals' semantics to come closer to those of nullable types lol
obtuse gale
There is no real reason not to use Optionals in Java, but I personally only use them in the cases I know its utility methods will come in handy (orElseGet/Throw, map, ifPresent, stream etc)
prisma wave
this guy's entire argument is "yeah null sucks, but you can use an external tool to make it a bit better!"
jovial warren
lol
obtuse gale
If that doesn't apply I prefer @Nullable
jovial warren
Sponge likes to go full pepega and use Optional everywhere, even in places it's not at all necessary
it's even in their official style guide
prisma wave
when would it not be necessary
ocean quartz
this guy's entire argument is "yeah null sucks, but you can use an external tool...
"Yeah Java's boilerplate sucks, but you can use Lombok" ๐
jovial warren
when you don't need the utility methods, like what emily said
jovial warren
true
prisma wave
how can you say that the methods will never be needed
jovial warren
true
also, why can't Java just throw in some better nullability like what Kotlin exposes
gusty glen
a bit of spigot for you
prisma wave
"Yeah Java's boilerplate sucks, but you can use Lombok" ๐
"DO NOT USE KOTLIN, lombok exists and uh.. kotlin gradle boilerplate and new language complexity bad!!!"
obtuse gale
๐ฉ ๐
ocean quartz
Spigot good ๐
stuck harbor
spoogit
jovial warren
"DO NOT USE KOTLIN, lombok exists and uh.. kotlin gradle boilerplate and new lan...
lol
said no one ever
well, said no sane human ever
prisma wave
it's the same points as that article
jovial warren
I still remember when that guy flamed you for calling Lombok bad
ocean quartz
Sane humans use Lombok, Netbeans, and annotate nullable methods with NotNull ๐คก