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jovial warren
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pauses the execution when the line above exits @timber oak

half harness
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@ ?
but PAUSE by itself just shows the "click any key to exit.."

distant sun
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smh

jovial warren
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GPG = GNU PrivacyGuard

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it’s a program

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OpenPGP is the name of the standard

onyx loom
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ic

jovial warren
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all this “ooo how does this work?” reads Wikipedia article knowledge seems to come in handy sometimes (I swear this is not intended to be a flex)

boreal needle
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it shows mine as signed when i push through ssh iirc

obtuse gale
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I don't think so?

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You sign the commit

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It doesn't show for using an ssh key to push them

jovial warren
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maybe you have autosign enabled (check .gitconfig)

static zealot
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someone give me a regex or something for checking if a string contains other characters than a-zA-Z0-9_ pls

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bcz looping thru all chars and checking if they're different seems a bit to much

obtuse gale
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^[a-zA-Z0-9_]

jovial warren
static zealot
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well I'm tlaking on how it will look xD

old wyvern
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The ^ should be inside the square brackets

obtuse gale
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o

static zealot
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huh so would I Just look at the matches and see if there's more than one match? Or if the match is different than the string?

old wyvern
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You would check if theres atleast 1 match

pale shell
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when you leave "INSERT REGEX FOR NUMBERS 1 -> HERE" in your regex code and get confused why it not work kekwhat

timber oak
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Someone experienced in ssh or sftp server hosting here?

static zealot
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Piggy

obtuse gale
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he's dead

timber oak
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You think I can dm him? Or nah

quiet depot
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ask here

forest pecan
obtuse gale
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o shit

timber oak
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Oh aight lol

quiet depot
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i don't provide support over pm

timber oak
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Well, I know how to connect to a sftp and ssh server ofc but not sure how to host it myself

forest pecan
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I like eating bacon

timber oak
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I need to host a sftp or ssh server on port 153

quiet depot
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windows?

forest pecan
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Like in general?

timber oak
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yes

quiet depot
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lame

timber oak
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windows got ssh inbuilt now btw

forest pecan
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you should use linux for this

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already had ssh since it was a fetus

timber oak
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Eh, it's probably better yeah but windows works

forest pecan
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lol

quiet depot
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no this is really not a task suited to windows

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windows has a very specific use in the server world, linux should be used for everything else (and this case is a case of the else)

forest pecan
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windows has too much bloatware for this

timber oak
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Which use is windows good for then?

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Or yk, not bad atleast

static zealot
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trashcan

quiet depot
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I honestly can't think of anything that windows is good at for servers

static zealot
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now I can talk trash about windows users bcz I'm using linux xD

quiet depot
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people use windows on servers in education

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because microsoft supplies software to use it easy, and most people are already familiar with windows

timber oak
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Right now me and a friend tried hosting a mc server on windows and share the files over network, locally. But it has so many issues

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It can't find the corrects paths etc.

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So ig ssh will be better, or we're just bad

quiet depot
timber oak
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Is it bad to setup a server over local network connection? Like does it have disadvantages when just working locally?

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Like from here

unknown.png
quiet depot
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what

timber oak
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And connecting through that

forest pecan
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uhhhh

quiet depot
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is your mc server on its own computer?

timber oak
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No

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It's on my friends pc

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But we need to both have access to the server files and so on

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So we tried connecting this way

quiet depot
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I don't know of a way to do that easily with windows

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setting up an ssh server might work, but I can't imagine it'll be simple

half harness
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termius 😎

quiet depot
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is that other pc windows or linux?

half harness
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windows

timber oak
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Both on windows

quiet depot
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lol imagine using a graphical client

timber oak
half harness
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not everyone loves cli ;-;

quiet depot
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I use graphical clients for most things

half harness
quiet depot
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just not ssh

timber oak
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in the plugins folder

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when ingame

half harness
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if u enabled network access (i think its disabled by default), it should work

timber oak
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Like, I put a jar file into plugins folder, but it cant find it ingame

timber oak
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The server just cant find the plugins folder or smth

half harness
timber oak
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No

half harness
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what

quiet depot
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they haven't setup an ssh server yet

half harness
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then how are you starting the server

timber oak
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He's hosting the server from that folder

quiet depot
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that's what they originally asked how to do

half harness
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ohh

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so you have contact with ur friend rn

timber oak
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Yes

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We're talking rn so yeah

half harness
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anything in console?

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probably an error?

timber oak
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Nothing, should we just host with ssh though?

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The server

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But why not just have all files in the ssh server then?

half harness
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you can

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but you'll have to use a client, such as FileZilla

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i just prefer windows explorer

timber oak
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So you have everything but the jar in windows explorer?

quiet depot
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you can mount an sftp connection as a drive

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tools exist to do it

half harness
quiet depot
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I used to do it when I used windows

boreal needle
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which is a client, no?

quiet depot
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yes, but the point is that these two statements aren't mutually exclusive

but you'll have to use a client, such as FileZilla
i just prefer windows explorer

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sorry I shouldn't have said "not true"

haughty lion
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hey

quiet depot
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(although I have a feeling you can actually mount sftp connections in vanilla windows)

prisma wave
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Fact checkers say this is misleading

haughty lion
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I need some help

quiet depot
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with?

haughty lion
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papi

prisma wave
static zealot
quiet depot
prisma wave
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😖

quiet depot
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confounded

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such a strange word

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needs more mixed words

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confoundled

prisma wave
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confounded is a great word

half harness
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bm

static zealot
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confused is also a great word

pale shell
timber oak
half harness
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you owe me in developer den 😠

half harness
pale shell
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why is protocollib SO ANNOYING

timber oak
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But you said something about using ssh to host

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Wdym then

prisma wave
half harness
half harness
pale shell
prisma wave
pale shell
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welcome to protocollib

quiet depot
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bm why is there a channel dedicated to html in your server?

half harness
quiet depot
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surely there isn't much support to be given for html

pale shell
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html is better than haskell so that's why

quiet depot
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well obviously

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haskell sucks

half harness
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lol

pale shell
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big mood

quiet depot
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oh hey

pale shell
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Anyone wanna fix protocollib for me

quiet depot
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that's the same error we're getting in papi 3

half harness
prisma wave
pale shell
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what one

quiet depot
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papi 3 and protocollib both do funky things

prisma wave
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a single webdev channel might be too general

pale shell
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oh protocollib

quiet depot
pale shell
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idk @half harness

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i dont ever update my java

half harness
pale shell
half harness
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in command prompt/terminal

pale shell
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C:\Users\44775>java -version
java version "16.0.1" 2021-04-20
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 16.0.1+9-24)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 16.0.1+9-24, mixed mode, sharing)
half harness
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yep

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java 16 🤢

prisma wave
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That is a woozy_face moment

quiet depot
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windows

half harness
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i guess bedwars isn't compatible with java 16 🥲

prisma wave
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sdkman appreciator

half harness
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protocollib softdepend soon™️

onyx loom
forest pecan
pale shell
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don't mind the username, I'm using one of the pc's in the basement I got like 4 or 5.

prisma wave
forest pecan
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thing

onyx loom
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confounded

half harness
quiet depot
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that's not even a confounded face

prisma wave
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have you ever been confounded?

half harness
quiet depot
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absolutely

prisma wave
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prove it

old wyvern
pale shell
quiet depot
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confounded, I'm guessing is both dumbfounded and confused at the same time?

forest pecan
pale shell
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1.8

half harness
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bedwars isn't very compatible with 1.16

prisma wave
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I guess so

static zealot
quiet depot
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well then yes

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literally every day

pale shell
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i run on 1.16 only

static zealot
half harness
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☹️

onyx loom
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🙂

pale shell
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I want pizza hut

forest pecan
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😦

half harness
pale shell
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@prisma wave buy me pizza hut.

half harness
forest pecan
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@prisma wave I WANT

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PIZZA HUT

quiet depot
pale shell
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@prisma wave PIZZA HUT

prisma wave
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Wat

half harness
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@prisma wave GIMME Bump in DEV den

forest pecan
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give me pizza hut

prisma wave
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why is everyone asking me for pizza

forest pecan
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PIZZA HUT

old wyvern
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give me pizza hut

pale shell
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why we want pizza hut

half harness
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PIZZA HUT

old wyvern
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pizza hut

prisma wave
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cause surprise or confusion in (someone), especially by not according with their expectations.

Confounded meaning

forest pecan
pale shell
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guys @prisma wave is giving away pizza hut just ping him asking for pizza hut

prisma wave
forest pecan
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PIZZA HUT

old wyvern
prisma wave
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wait 1 sec

half harness
forest pecan
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wtf

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search up gut in gifs

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and the first result

quiet depot
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yeah so dumbfounded + confused

old wyvern
forest pecan
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Lmao

pale shell
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what the fuck

forest pecan
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concealing all that body fat

static zealot
quiet depot
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the camera fucking shook

forest pecan
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THEY HAVENT

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SEEN MY

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POWER

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lmao

quiet depot
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this man must be dense af

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how is he not a diamond

old wyvern
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how is he not a blackhole

quiet depot
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blockhole

forest pecan
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blockhole

quiet depot
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get your head out of the minecraft

old wyvern
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😳

static zealot
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blockhole

forest pecan
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stop digging a 1 by 2

pale shell
static zealot
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xD

forest pecan
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🥲

pale shell
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for you @prisma wave

static zealot
forest pecan
static zealot
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thinking_gun best emoji ever. thank you papermc

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after smiling_face_with_3_tears

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of course

boreal needle
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where is that one from

old wyvern
half harness
static zealot
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I lost the png

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for it

boreal needle
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oof

steel heart
old wyvern
static zealot
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but probably someone still has it.

old wyvern
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The big bang

static zealot
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its my best art

pale shell
forest pecan
old wyvern
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Is dkim's den a real thing?

forest pecan
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yes

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lol

half harness
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have u guys seen my mcservercreator logo?

old wyvern
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I thought it was a joke lmao

half harness
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lol

forest pecan
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i will send u an invite

half harness
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👀

old wyvern
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ok

steel heart
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Bruh my web teacher doesn’t know typescript like bruh

boreal needle
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i have a server but theres like nobody there

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and its boring

steel heart
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Invite

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Now

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Or ban

half harness
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🥲

old wyvern
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nsfw

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nice

pale shell
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🙂

static zealot
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xD

distant tinsel
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hi i need help with deluxemenu

boreal needle
static zealot
boreal needle
steel heart
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Sir this is dev general

pale shell
distant tinsel
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tnx

static zealot
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lmao

forest pecan
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I nEED FOOD

static zealot
steel heart
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Why not 2

pale shell
static zealot
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well then why not 3?

pale shell
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why not 4

forest pecan
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why not 5

boreal needle
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why not 0

pale shell
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why not 6

static zealot
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why not?

steel heart
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Why not beyond infinity

static zealot
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just why not

steel heart
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Why not why not

pale shell
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why not 2147483647

half harness
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why not 314159265358

static zealot
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why not -1? (1st graders going crazy rn)

forest pecan
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why not 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890

boreal needle
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why not 19375

steel heart
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Why why not why not

pale shell
half harness
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why not 02

forest pecan
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no u

steel heart
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Dkim weeb exposed

static zealot
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why not 112. or whatever the emergency number is in your country

forest pecan
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why not 1.8

pale shell
static zealot
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why not %emergency-number%

forest pecan
ocean quartz
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@jovial warren I'll let you know that using polymorphic made kotlinx serialization actually do better than gson, it uses sealed as a type field like an enum, just like I needed, while gson wouldn't for this specific case

forest pecan
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how is that spinning

pale shell
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yay the mushrooms have hit me 🙂

half harness
forest pecan
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you dosed on mushrooms?

static zealot
pale shell
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ye

static zealot
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I hate mushrooms

pale shell
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i accidently ate one

prisma wave
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who needs narcotics when you have Prolog

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"accidentally"

forest pecan
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like the bad ones?

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lol

quiet depot
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wym bad ones

jovial warren
forest pecan
pale shell
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I have to legally say accidentally.

jovial warren
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Kotlin serialisation is good for quite a lot of things

steel heart
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Pulse

forest pecan
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yes

steel heart
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Did u apply as resource staff on spigot btw

forest pecan
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No

prisma wave
steel heart
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Oh I did lol

forest pecan
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Wait when was this lmao

pale shell
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why

ocean quartz
# jovial warren Yeah

Now tell me, do you know if it's possible to have it return null instead of throwing JsonDecodingException?

jovial warren
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Not really

forest pecan
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ah

pale shell
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bm i think i fixed all the bugs 😦

quiet depot
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just show 'em your dev role

jovial warren
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That's not the point of it

quiet depot
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ez proof of competence

steel heart
# pale shell why

I am going to be the first ever developer to make spigot purely functional

pale shell
forest pecan
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3 hours a week for spigot? 🥲

steel heart
jovial warren
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You can make nullable serializers though @ocean quartz

pale shell
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I spend like 300 hours on spigot each week

forest pecan
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No

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helping their team

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lmao

half harness
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what

forest pecan
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not coding wiht it

steel heart
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Basically catching people who puts malware or static abuse in their plugin and try upload to spigot

ocean quartz
pale shell
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dude if i get it i'll just ban vk2gpz day one

prisma wave
quiet depot
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did you apply bm?

prisma wave
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No

steel heart
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Not if anything about it to say I have

forest pecan
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should i apply

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lol

pale shell
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I applied.

old wyvern
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Apply to what?

prisma wave
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so conclure will probably get there first

quiet depot
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spigot staff

old wyvern
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Oh

steel heart
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Resource staff spigot

jovial warren
steel heart
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No quality over quantity?

quiet depot
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show ur application conclure

forest pecan
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im like not old enough tho

steel heart
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Ok 1 sec

quiet depot
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how old do you have to be?

lunar cypress
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3 🙂

quiet depot
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ah only a few months then pulse

jovial warren
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Not sure if Json.decodeFromString supports nullable return types though

boreal needle
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i have a gut feeling that hangar will kill spigot

forest pecan
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you have to 15 or 16?

quiet depot
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lucyy

jovial warren
quiet depot
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hangar isn't even trying to compete with spigot

prisma wave
quiet depot
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it doesn't have a chance

boreal needle
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i mean given the way paper has been going recently

old wyvern
jovial warren
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It does have a chance pig

quiet depot
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they uh

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they don't support premium plugins lol (with paywalls)

jovial warren
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yes they do

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Nah has to be OSS

pale shell
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how many people here applied for spigot?

prisma wave
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instance (ToJSON j) => ToJSON (Maybe j) where

steel heart
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Don’t meme me lol I didn’t have anything good to show them

image0.png
pale shell
steel heart
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It’s like the worst yea I know

quiet depot
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bit short

jovial warren
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"And is 16 years old" nice

steel heart
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They wanted between 250-500 words

hot hull
obtuse gale
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applications

old wyvern
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One other reason could be changes after the hard fork. If newer spigot/paper api changes conflict, people are more likely to go the paper route

quiet depot
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conclure is that even 100 words?

hot hull
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Well yea no shit sherlock..

obtuse gale
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then what are you asking

hot hull
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Ah resource staff

steel heart
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When I checked that was enough I think

hot hull
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Didn't see the resource staff part

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Anyhow, waste of time

quiet depot
steel heart
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Oh that was basically 100 words lol

quiet depot
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because apart from that, I honestly can't think of any other reason

boreal needle
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cross platform stuff maybe?

quiet depot
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what does that have to do with anything?

steel heart
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I mean paper seems to be superior to spigot like in every angle right now

pale shell
jovial warren
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Paper said if they can get the big plugins like Essentials, LuckPerms, WorldEdit, etc. to follow them (which, let's be honest, will likely be easy, since the leaders of those projects are friends with Paper and not with Spigot) then they could kill Spigot

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I don't really like Spigot or Paper tbh

obtuse gale
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WorldEdit will 100% move over

quiet depot
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but there's literally no incentive

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here's what your average plugin author gets by moving to hangar

hot hull
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A finger up the bum

static zealot
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omg

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I wanna move

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now

quiet depot
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  • smaller community
  • no paywalls
  • forced os (good?)
static zealot
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to hangar

jovial warren
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Spigot is too centred around md_5, and Paper is a small group of friends where no one else is welcome, and notable is a role to basically prove your worthiness

forest pecan
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^ this

prisma wave
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🤨

static zealot
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^ this too

jovial warren
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I equally don't like either of them

boreal needle
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imo paper > spigot

static zealot
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KRypton is better

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imo

forest pecan
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Aikar and Mini are good. But everyone else at paper? So shit

static zealot
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KRypton > Paper > Spigot

hot hull
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imo, fuck minecraft all together

prisma wave
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MineHraft is better

jovial warren
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I spend most of my time hanging out with the Purpur team, those guys are great

steel heart
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I guess hangar could be stricter in terms of what is going to be added making it easier to navigate different plugins cuz there are so many plugins flooding spigot which is of no use piggy like join message ones etc

pale shell
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bm just the person i wanna ask about

forest pecan
hot hull
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yes

boreal needle
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helpchat plugin site when

quiet depot
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and super active in the community

forest pecan
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Yeah

quiet depot
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he contributes to so many projects

steel heart
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Paper is a good community by now

quiet depot
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electroniccat is also good

steel heart
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Much toxicity has decayed

pale shell
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You put a comment saying
//TODO These 2 methods do pretty much the exact same thing and should be abstracted out (all npc functionality should be) what do you mean by abstracting the method out?

forest pecan
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I think cat used to be toxic before

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but he changed

hot hull
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Electro used to be active in here didn't he?

quiet depot
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he spoke a couple times in here

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I don't think he's in here anymore

jovial warren
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Yeah kashike is alright, kinda depends on the day for me

steel heart
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Any thoughts about gitgud?

quiet depot
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what

prisma wave
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polymorphism or something

steel heart
forest pecan
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Lmao

pale shell
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i hate how much you know bm it triggers me.

hot hull
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be gone with gitlab

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fucking weeb

obtuse gale
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not true at all

jovial warren
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I honestly think the world would be a better place without people like Broccolai in it though

obtuse gale
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???

quiet depot
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looks unreliable conclure

obtuse gale
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Brocc is nice?

hot hull
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The world would be better without humanity

jovial warren
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Nah she doesn't like me

quiet depot
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bardy most people in there don't like you

obtuse gale
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^

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tbh

forest pecan
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there are some people in there that are sensitive shits tho like Unix

hot hull
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It's your ✨ shinning ✨ personality

obtuse gale
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I get along quite well with most people in there

forest pecan
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i dont want to call others out tho

steel heart
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Ye

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Could just be a bait

quiet depot
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that's not what I meant

pale shell
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I think I see what ou want me to do bm.

quiet depot
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I meant it looks like it could just go offline any day

steel heart
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Oh yeah

boreal needle
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i'm pretty sure this is the only discord where i dont have people that dislike me

jovial warren
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Why me specifically though Pig?

forest pecan
prisma wave
forest pecan
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or like kicked

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from that discord

jovial warren
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Once, yeah

pale shell
jovial warren
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That was a while ago though

pale shell
quiet depot
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we've talked about why they don't like you before bardy

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I don't feel like going over it again

jovial warren
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Yeah but that's mostly unjustified now

quiet depot
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well they don't know that

jovial warren
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Fair

quiet depot
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you'd have to prove that you've changed

forest pecan
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Paper holds grudges sometimes

quiet depot
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and that's damn near impossible

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in any community

jovial warren
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Yeah it is

prisma wave
forest pecan
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That is true

hot hull
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lol

pale shell
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Java

prisma wave
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yes

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A very very object oriented language

pale shell
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I just guess my way around.

quiet depot
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where's the message passing

prisma wave
obtuse gale
# jovial warren Yeah it is

You've been doing some things over at kyori adventure, those are added points with kashike, mini and zml around

jovial warren
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like what?

steel heart
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Only thing I disliked about some paper guys is how much prejudgment they had on me. One guy literally called me "spigot helper" or smtng which I just think wasn’t the best approach to talk to someone but yeah that isn’t the core team so couldn’t care less.

jovial warren
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oh you mean positive points?

forest pecan
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theres no way to kinda explain this bardy

obtuse gale
#

yea

static zealot
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Imagine actually being active in paper or spigot and actually caring

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sm

#

h

jovial warren
#

yeah I've been trying to be nice to kashike, he's a nice guy

boreal needle
#

what happened with bardy and paper?

prisma wave
#

I will ask the paper discord what they think of Prolog

quiet depot
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lol bm link to message when u do

jovial warren
#

and zml is nice as well, he's never shown any hatred towards me

quiet depot
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zml is in here

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bit of an advisor for papi 3

jovial warren
#

ah

steel heart
#

Pex guy !

jovial warren
#

doubt he looks in this channel all that much though

quiet depot
jovial warren
#

inb4 pig pings him to get his attention

obtuse gale
#

lmao

prisma wave
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I have asked in general

quiet depot
#

I wasn't planning on pinging them

prisma wave
#

Not sure they will reply

steel heart
#

Hmm Piggy who do you think write cleanest code in the paper community apart from yourself, multiple ppl is allowed (:

jovial warren
#

oh I actually just realised, zml isn't a he anymore are they

quiet depot
#

my code isn't even that clean

steel heart
#

Not the worst

boreal needle
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i can do anti-clean if that counts?

obtuse gale
#

oh yeah also glare is in here and part of the paper team :kekw:

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i forgot about glare

jovial warren
#

wait what?

steel heart
#

Waffle

jovial warren
#

Glare's part of the Paper team?

quiet depot
#

glare is a paper moderator

jovial warren
#

ah

obtuse gale
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great insight tho

quiet depot
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I don't look at their code

jovial warren
#

maybe the best way to settle my stuff with Paper is to compile a list of the people who don't like me and pay a hitman on the dark net to have them wiped out

steel heart
#

Fair enough then

ocean quartz
jovial warren
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/s btw lol

obtuse gale
forest pecan
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/s

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lol

quiet depot
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matt I was more thinking people on the paper staff team

jovial warren
#

yeah Luck writes good code

boreal needle
#

in all seriousness is anyone up for looking through my code and seeing how terrible it is?

steel heart
ocean quartz
#

Oh, idk much of them tbh

quiet depot
steel heart
quiet depot
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because especially with projects like mc, some contributions are hacks to make shit work, and work efficiently

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so naturally the code is going to look shit

obtuse gale
#

but reading patches.. of patches

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lmao

quiet depot
#

honestly no

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unless you're contributing massive chunks of code

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where you can actually see a structure

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i.e. they're adding entirely new components from scratch

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you really can't judge competence

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imo at least

obtuse gale
#

10/10

jovial warren
#

imagine getting a patch merged

quiet depot
#

oh i wonder if my sponge pr got accepted

jovial warren
#

I've had a patch merged into Purpur, but that's about it lol

ocean quartz
#

Kenny helped a lot with Holovid, and he's code was pretty clean i think

jovial warren
#

I made it possible for you to change the minecart powered rail boost modifier 😎

obtuse gale
#

Kenny is the protocol guy right?

old wyvern
#

Whose kenny?

obtuse gale
#

vv

jovial warren
#

kennytv?

quiet depot
#

protocol guy is dmulloy2

old wyvern
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Protocol lib?

obtuse gale
#

no i mean

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viaversion

ocean quartz
#

Yeah Kenny television

quiet depot
#

viaversion is myles

jovial warren
#

I think Kenny does ViaVersion work

ocean quartz
#

He does

jovial warren
#

not actually 100% sure what Kenny is notable for

quiet depot
#

don't think I've ever talked to kenny

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don't think I've ever interacted with most of them tbh actually

obtuse gale
#

same lol

ocean quartz
#

For me was only Kenny and Pop from essentials

jovial warren
#

I remember talking to Aikar about the asynchronous chunk loading from 1.13+ when we were in that ages long call adding 1.16 support to Paper

quiet depot
#

oh glare also used to be a project lead in moss

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man has roles everywhere

ocean quartz
#

He still is

jovial warren
#

that's about the only person I can remember talking to from the Paper core team lol

old wyvern
#

MossMan?

quiet depot
#

no

#

essentials discord

old wyvern
#

Oh

ocean quartz
#

I used to have the lead dev role but passed it to Chase to keep updating Holovid

onyx loom
#

holovid 😖

jovial warren
#

oh yeah, @old wyvern we got work to do lol

forest pecan
#

i dont think Chase devs holovid anymore 🥲

pale shell
#

@prisma wave I listened to your advice about how to do the code and I've updated it. 🙂

prisma wave
#

excellent

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now rewrite it in clojure

pale shell
#

is that this weeks language?

prisma wave
#

mayhe

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maybe*

pale shell
#

see guys i told you don't trust bm on whatever language he's doing now. He's changed to a new one (again)

prisma wave
#

nothing wrong with that

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Gotta keep things fresh

#

using the same language all the time is boring

hot hull
#

What's this weeks lang?

prisma wave
#

maybe clojure again

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Wanna try learn it some more

steel heart
#

Elixir

pale shell
#

@prisma wave why can't you just spend a year mastering 1 lang?

prisma wave
#

I already have

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Twice

steel heart
#

You barely know Java

prisma wave
#

Oh yeah sure

steel heart
#

Show me something then

#

Lombok user

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🤡

prisma wave
#

wat

pale shell
#

way

steel heart
#

Knightz API

boreal needle
#

why does javas generic system have to be so broken

steel heart
#

Lmao i don’t know think James gosling had a stroke

boreal needle
#

type erasure is actually horrible

steel heart
#

I just use raw types

prisma wave
#

haskell has 100% type erasure 🙂

steel heart
prisma wave
#

all types

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gone

steel heart
#

Does it have declaration site variance

prisma wave
#

dont think so

steel heart
#

Ok haskell chads are no longer chads

boreal needle
#

how can i safely cast generic types

prisma wave
#

you can't

half harness
boreal needle
#

ie List<Thing> to List<ThingThatExtendsTheThing>

prisma wave
pale shell
#

whats the first edition of spigot

prisma wave
#

2

pale shell
#

2.1?

obtuse gale
#

it's not really unsafe

steel heart
#

@forest pecan did you fix it btw?

obtuse gale
#

at the end of the day the only thing generics do is make you not use Objects and casting in a type safe manner

forest pecan
steel heart
#

uh yeah like thing u explained in dms

#

or can I still try something

forest pecan
#

o

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Uhh

#

i havnet started it yea

half harness
#

lol

pale shell
#

When will there be paper for 1.17?

obtuse gale
#

whenever mojang releases 1.17 and md5 releases spigot 1.17

ocean quartz
#

I imagine when there is minecraft 1.17

pale shell
#

Do we have to wait for it to come out? I don't know if there's any way to support it during snapshots.

obtuse gale
#

yes

#

and no there is no bukkit/spigot/paper api for snapshots

steel heart
pale shell
#

ah ok ty 🙂

forest pecan
steel heart
#

also pulse if u have any unpushed changes pls push them now

forest pecan
#

i dont got any

ocean quartz
#

when the hard fork happens maybe we'll get snapshots

pale shell
#

I wanted to get ahead of the game.

steel heart
#

aight cool

pale shell
#

Mojang should really help the spigot / paper devs out.

jovial warren
obtuse gale
#

md5 chooses to keep the entirety of bukkit stagnated during later snapshots

obtuse gale
pale shell
#

Like giving them snapshot stuff etc

jovial warren
#

CB will update (md_5), then Spigot, then Paper, then other forks like Tuinity and Purpur, then Airplane probably

#

then Yatopia lol

obtuse gale
#

snapshots are public

pale shell
#

yeah but they're not good for spigot

jovial warren
#

anyone know the expected release date btw?

obtuse gale
#

????????????

forest pecan
obtuse gale
#

tf you talking about

forest pecan
#

anyone can use them

#

lmao

pale shell
#

snapshots aren't good for spigot

jovial warren
#

I wanna prepare a bit in advanced in Krypton for 1.17

obtuse gale
#

md5 is the gateway that chooses to not release API during snapshots

#

mojang has literally nothing to do with it

jovial warren
#

the only reason Spigot isn't updated for snapshots is because md_5 can't be assed

obtuse gale
#

md5 could do it

pale shell
#

So we need to ban md5

obtuse gale
#

but he doesn't

jovial warren
#

Spigot is in maintenance mode

ocean quartz
jovial warren
#

md_5 does what is needed, not what is wanted

ocean quartz
#

No, he does what he wants

jovial warren
#

true

forest pecan
#

spigot team says that it's too much work lol

obtuse gale
#

"team"

forest pecan
#

*md5

#

xD

obtuse gale
#

isn't he the one single person that controls the downstream flow of bukkit?

forest pecan
#

also their development server is a snapshot server right now

#

its 21w19a? i think. this prolly to prepare for 1.17

obtuse gale
forest pecan
#

just hax them ez

obtuse gale
#

for that matter I just play vanilla and mess with NBT

forest pecan
#

hax them

ocean quartz
#

Ofc it's too much work, i wonder why paper does it so fast, maybe because there is a lot of people working on it, but idk could be wrong

forest pecan
#

but you arent

jovial warren
#

Paper does it within like a week

#

because they have an entire team of people working on it

forest pecan
#

half of the mods on there are inactive

#

for spigot

obtuse gale
#

but paper also would be much faster if md5 released snapshots as mojang did

ocean quartz
#

Spigot is basically just md lol

jovial warren
#

the only active mod I see on Spigot is Choco

steel heart
#

well pulse they arent talkative

forest pecan
#

Choco = genuine respect

onyx loom
#

@static zealot do u like my PR kekw

forest pecan
obtuse gale
#

not only because of the number of people but because they could also be adding paper features as they go

forest pecan
#

if choco worked with paper team

steel heart
#

damn

#

progress

#

stonks

obtuse gale
#

🙏

forest pecan
#

that would be epic

#

if choco worked with paper team

#

chillest canadian dude

ocean quartz
#

If paper hard forks i can imagine the update release would be almost instant

jovial warren
#

yeah

obtuse gale
#

yea

jovial warren
#

thinking about updates, I'm gonna start looking in to 1.17 and preparing for its release for Krypton rn lol

static zealot
jovial warren
#

oh they added all these new world border packets, wow

#

and they split the title packet too

#

and they also made things worse by making destroy entity only destroy one entity per packet

#

meaning bulk destroys are gonna take a shit ton of packets

#

they also made resource packs able to be forced (decline = kicked)

static zealot
#

@prisma wave

unknown.png
#

oh wait

#

I just realised

#

fuck

#

nvm

jovial warren
#

what

static zealot
#

I thought they did something like this:

#

where they posted it once, screenshoted then reposted

#

with the +1 -1

#

well I've got a new idea lmao

steel heart
#

@forest pecan java 8 or 11?

ocean quartz
#

That's smart instead of worrying about people using -1 to dislike your stuff, just make them choose which one is better so they can't dislike both lmao

forest pecan
steel heart
# 

    compileOnlyApi("org.spigotmc:spigot-api:1.16.5-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
    compileOnlyApi("uk.co.caprica:vlcj:4.7.1")
    compileOnlyApi("uk.co.caprica:vlcj-natives:4.1.0")
    compileOnlyApi("uk.co.caprica:native-streams:1.0.0")
    compileOnlyApi("com.github.sealedtx:java-youtube-downloader:2.5.2")
    compileOnlyApi("ws.schild:jave-core:3.0.1")
    compileOnlyApi("io.netty:netty-all:5.0.0.Alpha2")
    compileOnlyApi("com.mojang:authlib:1.5.25")
    compileOnlyApi("org.jetbrains:annotations:20.1.0")
    compileOnlyApi("org.ow2.asm:asm:9.1")
    compileOnlyApi("org.ow2.asm:asm-commons:9.1")
    compileOnlyApi("com.github.pulsebeat02:jarchivelib:master-SNAPSHOT")
    compileOnlyApi("org.tukaani:xz:1.0")
    compileOnlyApi("com.alibaba:fastjson:1.2.73")
    compileOnlyApi("net.java.dev.jna:jna:5.8.0")
    compileOnlyApi("org.bytedeco:javacv-platform:1.5.5")
    compileOnlyApi("se.michaelthelin.spotify:spotify-web-api-java:6.5.4")

r u relocating all of these? just curious

#

or well not spigot ofc

static zealot
forest pecan
#

Yes

#

I am relocating all of those

steel heart
#

ok ima get rid of those in the api module then

forest pecan
#

Hm ok

jovial warren
#

yeah don't relocate API things

steel heart
#

holy fuck ur project is the definition of thick lol

forest pecan
#

Mhm

steel heart
#

feels bad man

forest pecan
#

the api code itself is huge

#

think i wrote like 40k lines by myself or smthing xD

steel heart
#

yeah I will have a fun time refactoring

#

should I bump version also?

forest pecan
#

For dependencies?

steel heart
#

uh no

#

like the project version

#

cuz I might do some major changes if fine

forest pecan
#

If you want

steel heart
#

ok nice might also arbitrarily ping ya

forest pecan
#

all g

steel heart
#

hope its fine 🙂

forest pecan
#

idc lmao

steel heart
#

ok cool cool

#

@forest pecan

#

how the fuck

#

do u have over 200 deps

forest pecan
#

What?

#

I do?

#

lmao

timber oak
#

Can someone give me some ideas for a plugin portfolio? Which plugins would be good to have on there?

steel heart
#

with transitive ones

steel heart
forest pecan
#

how do i have 200 dep

#

wat

steel heart
#

I just counted

timber oak
forest pecan
#

learn react and do it yourself

#

lol

steel heart
#

add your first plugin

#

then the one you're proudest of

#

to show how you have progressed maybe

#

idk

forest pecan
#

is that why my jar is like 300 mb when i shade

#

lmao

steel heart
#

jesus

#

dude

#

lol

forest pecan
#

but it doesnt make sense tho

#

cause my downloaded deps

#

dont download the deps of those deps, they are standalone?

#

im confused lmao

steel heart
#

just transitive ones

#

like spigot-api for instance adds guava

half harness
forest pecan
#

oh

steel heart
#

intellij broke

onyx loom
#

slimjar 😌

hot hull
#

shitjar

half harness
#

slimjar too confusing

steel heart
#

wow

#

thats not nice of u

onyx loom
#

rude

ocean quartz
#

You're confusing

half harness
#

ok

hot hull
#

¸Life is confusing

forest pecan
steel heart
#

idk just tried reloading and then it crashed

forest pecan
#

ooof

hot hull
#

not enough ram

half harness
#

netbeans 😎

hot hull
#

a good smack and you gonna be seeing beans yea

onyx loom
#

@prisma wave / @pale shell is fancyprivatemines still being worked on or are u just going to keep with the original PrivateMines repo, even for the premium version?

pale shell
#

thats for bm to answer

onyx loom
#

ah k, thought id ping u as u were a contributor there too

prisma wave
#

i wanna work on it

#

just cba

onyx loom
#

classic

prisma wave
#

very classic

onyx loom
#

its got a P in the name of the repo thats why u cba

prisma wave
#

🥲

old wyvern
#

🥲

pale shell
#

bm what would it take to take for me to take pmines off your hands?

prisma wave
#

wat

pale shell
#

I wanna take full ownership.

#

Would payment do it?

prisma wave
#

wat

pale shell
#

I

#

want to

#

own pmines

prisma wave
#

why

pale shell
#

because then you don't need to worry about working on it anymore.

old wyvern
prisma wave
#

$2000

#

but yeah

pale shell
#

It'll be my problem and you can work on newer projects.

#

lets talk in dms

static zealot
#

man neon has been acting ok for the past 24 hours but I really wish my keyboard would have worked.

jovial warren
#

hey guys, guess what I'm doing to Krypton

pale shell
#

updating it?

jovial warren
#

Krypton is no longer going to be Krypton

pale shell
#

no

static zealot
#

o?

jovial warren
#

I'm renaming

pale shell
#

NO

static zealot
#

why tho?

jovial warren
#

and the name "Krypton" means nothing to the project

pale shell
#

he renames his

static zealot
#

You seemed to have really liked Krypton + now you'll need new art

prisma wave
#

i have a name idea

pale shell
#

you keep yours.

prisma wave
#

"MineKraft"

static zealot
#

xD

jovial warren
#

nah I've got some ideas from Purpur

pale shell
#

bm, did you like my offer at all?

jovial warren
#

settling on using the name of one of the halogens

pale shell
jovial warren
#

trying to decide if "HalogenPowered" or "HalogenicSoftware" is better for the org name though

static zealot
#

Software is better imo

old wyvern
#

"HalogenPowered" Where have I heard something similar?

#

Sponge?

#

Or maybe Paper itself

#

not sure

pale shell
#

SpongePowered

old wyvern
#

Kyori

#

I think thats it

#

yup

obtuse gale
#

holy shit

#

what an embed

obtuse gale
jovial warren
#

and Velocity follows the powered pattern too

old wyvern
#

xD

#

That sounds very weird tbh

#

Krypton is fine

static zealot
#

I guess HalogenPowered is not that used of a name. Top result on google.com is a youtuber with 1 music video with 30 views

#

I like Krypton too ngl. Even tho that logo is meh

old wyvern
#

Or go an alternative krypton route and call it Viltrum

#

I think thats how its spelled atleast

jovial warren
#

nah I'm using the halogen naming

#

we're renaming now, I'm not going back on it

#

fed up with people getting confused

old wyvern
#

lmao

static zealot
#

well at least we're going to get a better logo. xD

prisma wave
#

How about "Hrypton"

ocean quartz
#

"powered pattern"

old wyvern
#

^^

forest pecan
#

is the name going to change

old wyvern
#

Hrypton

forest pecan
#

so it wont be krypton anymore?

jovial warren
#

no, it won't be Krypton anymore

onyx loom
jovial warren
#

deciding on what halogen name I like though

half harness
forest pecan
#

is that cause confusion with the mod

#

im guessing

jovial warren
#

halogen is taken Kaliber

forest pecan
#

right

onyx loom
#

lol

old wyvern
prisma wave
#

As CEO of MineHraft (formerly hrypton) I give you permission to use the name Hrypton 😇

onyx loom
#

Helium

jovial warren
onyx loom
#

Oxygen

forest pecan
#

remember Minekraft

#

lol

onyx loom
#

Einsteinium

jovial warren
#

but also, on re-evaluation, Krypton has no meaning relating to the project

onyx loom
#

MineKraft then

#

Halogen also has no meaning

jovial warren
#

Kaliber stfu

#

I asked one question

ocean quartz
#

Should have went with a more space related name

jovial warren
#

nah I like the elements Matt

ocean quartz
#

GamerJuicePowewered

onyx loom
old wyvern
#

🥲

ocean quartz
#

Lmao

jovial warren
#

trying to think what the package would become though

old wyvern