do you have a partition labelled “EFI system partition” Blitz?
#dev-general
jovial warren
old wyvern
He has a UEFI system bard
static zealot
Well thats how Im doing it anyways but i dont have free sapce to make anotherboot partition
jovial warren
then you’re fine installing multiple OS’
old wyvern
Well thats how Im doing it anyways but i dont have free sapce to make anotherboo...
shrink one of them ig?
jovial warren
and your motherboard should have a boot menu with different options for the different boot managers
old wyvern
You should use something like 512mb
static zealot
Hmmm. But having 2 partition to boot wont make my life harder to switch between OSs?
old wyvern
and your motherboard should have a boot menu with different options for the diff...
Does that work if they are in the same boot partition?
jovial warren
your EFI system partition shouldn’t ever need to be more than 100MB
old wyvern
Hmmm. But having 2 partition to boot wont make my life harder to switch between ...
Nope
static zealot
Well then going to do that
old wyvern
You would change the boot order to load grub
jovial warren
Does that work if they are in the same boot partition?
if they are in the same EFI system partition then yes, you should only ever have one EFI system partition
old wyvern
From which you can boot into windows/neon as you want
old wyvern
if they are in the same EFI system partition then yes, you should only ever have...
Why?
jovial warren
because you shouldn’t need more than one per drive
old wyvern
You mean the partition table?
jovial warren
because that’s how EFI works
you only need one EFI system partition to store all of your boot managers
static zealot
But I cant use the windows one
It tells me I have to switch my mount poinr
Point*
old wyvern
You only need one, yes, but people seemed to recommend having a separate one if you imagine you'd want to uninstall linux easily at some point that makes it much easier
jovial warren
GRUB should get installed on to the EFI system partition
old wyvern
Otherwise youd have to manually mount and delete grub
jovial warren
You only need one, yes, but people seemed to recommend having a separate one if ...
you can remove boot managers from the same partition easily
afaik anyway
old wyvern
Yes, probably not the best idea for a beginner tho
jovial warren
just put it on the same EFI system partition
not the Windows boot partition, don’t touch that, the EFI system partition
static zealot
BBG tell me. Is it fine to change the mount point for my boot partition? I have windows on it and it has no mount point but neon kde needs one
old wyvern
the mountpoint should be /boot/efi
jovial warren
wdym change the mount point?
static zealot
For neon yes. But it doesnt have one rn
jovial warren
yeah, the EFI system partition should mount at /boot/efi
old wyvern
It probably asks him to select one
old wyvern
screenshot
prisma wave
https://www.infoq.com/presentations/oop-functional-evolution/
FP good, even Google agrees 😌
The haters will still hate but James Ward and Joshua Suereth spitting facts
old wyvern
😌
jovial warren
lol
all circlejerking aside, Haskell looks really cool
it definitely has its uses
lunar cypress
wtf bardy
jovial warren
what did I do now
lunar cypress
I don't even know who you are anymore
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
Oh my god
jovial warren
nah it’s actually a good language, I just get fed up with BM trying to force it down my throat
jovial warren
right, now you know that I kinda think Haskell is nice, will you please stop trying to force it down my throat BM
old wyvern
😌
jovial warren
finally
prisma wave
I will die before I stop sending random messages about Haskell with a 😌 at the end
old wyvern
Haskell good. Everyone accepts
old wyvern
I will die before I stop sending random messages about Haskell with a 😌 at the ...
Good 😌
jovial warren
I still prefer Kotlin, that hasn’t changed, but I don’t think Haskell is god awful
prisma wave
It would seem our brainwashing has worked
old wyvern
prisma wave
The only person left to enlighten is odin
old wyvern
he shall fall too!
jovial warren
It would seem our brainwashing has worked
it hasn’t, I thought Haskell was cool from trying it out on the site, not from your circlejerking
prisma wave
WHAT
old wyvern
it hasn’t, I thought Haskell was cool from trying it out on the site, not from y...
You tried it out on the site because of the circlejerking 😌
jovial warren
fair
jovial warren
but you trying to force Haskell down my throat just pissed me off
prisma wave
maybe you will learn not to resist😌
jovial warren
maybe I’ll even contribute to MineHraft if the codebase doesn’t suck
prisma wave
Of course we'll be moving onto a new language when we get everyone to admit that Haskell good
Probably Prolog or APL next
jovial warren
I would appreciate it though if you would return the favour and contribute to Krypton
prisma wave
perhaps
prisma wave
😌
jovial warren
Lol
prisma wave
"oh, you like Predicate<T>? You know what language had it first?"
old wyvern
"oh, you like Predicate<T>? You know what language had it first?"
omg yes!
jovial warren
The best way forward is not to be enemies, but friends in unity
prisma wave
jovial warren
https://xkcd.com/927/ don't want one of these do we
prisma wave
me and yugi are the only acceptable standard
onyx loom
what about simon
old wyvern
Alain Colmerauer all the way!!!
onyx loom
what about Kenneth E Iverson
jovial warren
I swear Kotlin is one of the rare languages where the users actually hate the designer lol
old wyvern
Kenneth E. Iverson!!!
jovial warren
Or is that quite common
old wyvern
Lets go
onyx loom
andrey bad
old wyvern
I swear Kotlin is one of the rare languages where the users actually hate the de...
No, we also have Java
Andrey and Gosling bad
onyx loom
no tuples no collection literals no companion fun
old wyvern
Actually
prisma wave
These 2 could EASILY take Simon in a fight
old wyvern
Screw you barry!1
onyx loom
No need to shout.
old wyvern
No need to shout.
No need to shout.
jovial warren
Turing is one of the greatest mathematicians and computer scientists of all time
old wyvern
Turing bad
prisma wave
Church good
Wait no
WHO INVENTED PREDICATE CALCULUS
Alan, James and Andrey should all be executed for war crimes
onyx loom
charles pierce
jovial warren
ProLog on top though 
onyx loom
maybe
jovial warren
Facts
prisma wave
charles pierce
Move over Simon, there is a new god in town 😌
prisma wave
what a great guy
old wyvern
I dont think thats it
prisma wave
WHAT
old wyvern
It doesnt seem to specify a specific creator
onyx loom
yea idk
old wyvern
Only thing I could find was who defined formal logic
onyx loom
i just read the name google suggested
onyx loom
😌 😌 😌 😌
forest pecan
I invented it
prisma wave
NO YOU DIDNT
steel heart
Predicate calculus is good tho
quiet depot
yay
before doing anything further tho
did ur laptop keyboard work as expected on the keyboard page?
static zealot
the laptop one yes. the external one no
quiet depot
oh right it's the external one that's broken
static zealot
but Piggy u missed the covo
I can't go any further
here
let me show you
1 sec
we were talking about how my boot partition has no mounting point
so is it fine to just change it
?
old wyvern
select /boot/efi
static zealot
they didn't believe me so that's why I sent the fist screenshot
static zealot
select /boot/efi
so that will be fine? that's what I was asking xD
old wyvern
Not sure why it already isnt that tho
old wyvern
oh?
old wyvern
oh ok
static zealot
wait then what do I do?
quiet depot
are you back at the first screenshot?
static zealot
yes
old wyvern
select /boot/efi as the mountpoint for the boot partiton
static zealot
well... already did xD
I was asking if changing it would be fine lmao
or selecting it xD
quiet depot
sorry I thought u were asking if the second screenshot was fine
no
don't think so
i'll check
old wyvern
Did you make the other partitions properly?
static zealot
yeah. well I didn't make the others. only the ubuntu one iircc
so no flags here?
old wyvern
yea that should get overwritten
static zealot
alr theen
static zealot
mount point / is correct right?
old wyvern
oh he doesnt have esp on the boot partition btw
quiet depot
it wasn't an option for him though
old wyvern
Yea wasnt for me as well, and it went into legacy boot
quiet depot
¯_(ツ)_/¯
old wyvern
I had to manually change it from the live image to boot into it
I assumed it was an issue with calamares
static zealot
wait what's that now?
old wyvern
the manjaro installer
static zealot
so can I go? xD
old wyvern
They are all the same
quiet depot
yes just do it
old wyvern
mhm
static zealot
time to wait
forest pecan
NO YOU DIDNT
cap
steel heart
exposed
static zealot
forest pecan
Who PINGED me
old wyvern
Yes?
old wyvern
Did you connect it to the internet?
old wyvern
weird
static zealot
it went until like 80%
or something
didn't see it when it failed
time to wait another 30 minutes
oh maybe less? bcz its alraedy 11%
already*
23%
oh thank god it just skips the ones it already installed
half harness
dkim ghost pinged
oops, thought i turned the ping off
half harness
lol
prisma wave
Fer·nan·do Pó·ov
half harness
Fer·nan·do Pó·ov 😔
half harness
😭
prisma wave
Gone but not forgotten
half harness
mhm
static zealot
86%
half harness
wot
half harness
ok
prisma wave
The content on the paper looks accurate when it comes to "characteristics", and the edits on the wording make it sound nicer.
I can not think of something I would like to edit, especially because the wording is something I struggle myself. I think the paper looks really good.
Good job, and thank you.
half harness
np
static zealot
it ddid it again 😢
onyx loom
Fer·nan·do Pó·ov
static zealot
@quiet depot maybee u got some clue? most of the errors I googled said I have no inteernet but I clearly ddo since I'm talking here.
prisma wave
69% 😏
The content on the paper looks accurate when it comes to "characteristics", and the edits on the wording make it sound nicer.
I can not think of something I would like to edit, especially because the wording is something I struggle myself. I think the paper looks really good.
Good job, and thank you.
static zealot
how to farm xp I guess
quiet depot
what's wrong
static zealot
seee msg I replied to
btw my partition is named this now
but thee install didn't finish so I'm afraid to even open it
see name at thee bottom btw
omg I just realisedd I seleccted Keep instad of FOrmat
that might meess it up sincee it doesn't eerase what alreeady exists
andd thosee e's c's and d's are bcz my laptop keyboardd is brokeen
well going to try again
half harness
lmao
static zealot
28%
half harness
82%
ocean quartz
Never said good or bad anywhere in there, i was talking about popularity
hot hull
"types of bad developers"
cough BM cough
half harness
lmao
old wyvern
Ayyy
old wyvern
"types of bad developers"
*cough BM cough*
Trend Setter*
lunar cypress
I don't think haskell got any more popular in recent years lol
old wyvern
Yes, prolog good
hot hull
In BMs mind it did
static zealot
this is a bit slow tho ngl
@quiet depot now tell me please what else I need or have to set up before I Start messing with shit xD
like what recommendations you have
also gonna have to find out why my taskbar is on secondary screen 
oh nvm that was an easy fix
half harness
kotlin > java
quiet depot
<@!181675431362035712> now tell me please what else I need or have to set up be...
don't really have any recommendations
half harness
<@!181675431362035712> now tell me please what else I need or have to set up be...
download minecraft
static zealot
ty dkim. you're so good at recommending stuff
static zealot
time to see what updates I have
btw is there some special option for special drivers that are not OS @quiet depot ? LIke something I Need to enable or something like that
ocean quartz
I don't think haskell got any more popular in recent years lol
It didn't #dev-general message
quiet depot
do u have an app called software and updates?
look in plasma search bar
bottom left
if not
quiet depot
sudo apt-get install software-properties-gtk
install that
then u can install proprietary drivers in there
i gtg
static zealot
where do I change the shortcut for the terminal bcz either I am blind or its not in shortcuts
half harness
hi blitz
static zealot
hello
static zealot
where do I change the shortcut for the terminal bcz either I am blind or its not...
nvm found it
nvm I Didn't lmao
there's a lot of them but not the new terminal 😢
time for some googling
oh and thank god I Made a firefox account bcz now I can just connect and it will remember my bookmarks and shit
jovial warren
and your passwords
prisma wave
"types of bad developers"
*cough BM cough*
bitch I make languages popular
prisma wave
Never said good or bad anywhere in there, i was talking about popularity
yes indeed, haskell niche but good
jovial warren
BM kinda tries to start the trends in this server, doesn’t really work most of the time though since hardly anyone in here actually listens to him
static zealot
bitch I make languages popular
pretty sure its the other way around
jovial warren
and BM does not jump on trends, Haskell is not a trend
static zealot
yes it is
forest pecan
bm what happened to elara
jovial warren
in fact, I’d say it’s more like 80-90% of developers don’t even know what FP is
let alone Haskell
prisma wave
BM kinda tries to start the trends in this server, doesn’t really work most of t...
bruh if me and sxtanna weren't here none of you would know what kotlin is
Don't even start
jovial warren
true
hot hull
bringing such trashy languages into this channel, pathetic
jovial warren
but that was much more adopted than Haskell has been
prisma wave
only because yall can't understand things that don't have classes
"use kotlin, it's java but good"
Can't really say the same thing for Haskell
half harness
🤡
prisma wave
nah, we just cant make plugins with haskell 🤡
Soon
half harness
haskell bad
jovial warren
“use Haskell, it’ll er... make you able to say stupidly ridiculous buzzwords like semigroup, functor and monad? er... no state? no classes?”
half harness
haskell needs loops 🤡
jovial warren
wait what
onyx loom
im not sure "needs" is the correct word there dkim
jovial warren
Haskell doesn’t have loops?
onyx loom
it functions just fine without loops
half harness
Haskell doesn’t have loops?
no
jovial warren
wat
half harness
u need to use recursion
obtuse gale
functions
distant sun
In 1900 people didnt need loops
obtuse gale
it's all functions
prisma wave
^
obtuse gale
literally nothing but functions
prisma wave
well almost just functions
jovial warren
how tf can you have a language without loops wtf
obtuse gale
the hell is a "Premain-Class"?
distant sun
how tf can you have a language without loops wtf
def loop = null
jovial warren
FP has so many buzzwords as well
distant sun
Btw @old wyvern thanks for the help with that stupid problem I had earlier <3
jovial warren
yeah that can be “solved” with recursion, I can see that now
onyx loom
FP has so many buzzwords as well
i mean u can say the same about OO if u have no idea what OO is
old wyvern
in fact, I’d say it’s more like 80-90% of developers don’t even know what FP is
What
Literally. What.
jovial warren
why do you think Python and JS are two of the most popular languages
distant sun
They think FP means functional programming while it means first person shooter (the S is silent)
old wyvern
Do you understand that your "kotlin" pulls a lot from FP?
jovial warren
languages that don’t prominently feature neither OOP nor FP
prisma wave
its like loops
No it's not
prisma wave
If we're being pretentious it's a mapping between categories, there's no mention of loops there
prisma wave
😌
distant sun
How do you do loops though @prisma wave
jovial warren
also, surely allocating new values every time you need to increment something is gonna have a decent overhead at scale
old wyvern
How do you do _loops_ though <@266973575225933824>
Recursion
distant sun
disgusting
old wyvern
also, surely allocating new values every time you need to increment something is...
That occurs only at the abstract level, this allows the compiler to do all sorts of amazing optimizations
jovial warren
tail recursion is about the only way you’re gonna be able to optimise a recursive incrementing function well afaik
old wyvern
disgusting
Why so?
prisma wave
tail recursion is about the only way you’re gonna be able to optimise a recursiv...
You underestimate the power of GHC
old wyvern
tail recursion is about the only way you’re gonna be able to optimise a recursiv...
Every recursion is tail recursion without control flow
Lmao
prisma wave
oh yeah lol
jovial warren
iteration > recursion
old wyvern
Wrong
jovial warren
right
prisma wave
provide evidence
jovial warren
is faster
old wyvern
Idk loops are present everywhere, feels weird to imagine working without them
Different paradigmn
jovial warren
more widely used
jovial warren
and most recursion optimisations are about turning recursion into iteration anyway
old wyvern
Haskells recursion can be unfolded
jovial warren
what do you think tail recursion does
old wyvern
Let the compiler handle the dirty work
jovial warren
it turns recursion into iteration at the tail of the function
old wyvern
and most recursion optimisations are about turning recursion into iteration anyw...
Thats what I'm saying, thats the point of all abstractions
Otherwise youd be writing assembly now
prisma wave
Haskell is just another layer of abstraction
old wyvern
You slowly move the tedious responsibilities to the compiler, you only want the higher level instructions
prisma wave
^
old wyvern
Haskell is just another layer of abstraction
^
jovial warren
so Haskell is basically a frontend that can help you pull the wool over your eyes as to what the computer is actually doing
static zealot
you see BM the problem is not that we don't understand. the problem is exactly you. We hate languages like Haskell bcz of you. Bcz you can't let us live our lives without saying something along the lines "haskell could do that", "Try haskell", "haskell is good". What if we didn't give a fuck about haskell becasue we don't have to give a fuck?
old wyvern
so Haskell is basically a frontend that can help you pull the wool over your eye...
Thats literally every language
prisma wave
so Haskell is basically a frontend that can help you pull the wool over your eye...
You could say that about literally any high level language
static zealot
that's all. thank you for your time
prisma wave
you see BM the problem is not that we don't understand. the problem is exactly y...
But Haskell could do that 🥲
prisma wave
I will stop the Haskell jerk the day the kotlin jerk stops
old wyvern
you see BM the problem is not that we don't understand. the problem is exactly y...
Haskell could do that too
old wyvern
But Haskell could do that 🥲
😌
jovial warren
I will stop the Haskell jerk the day the kotlin jerk stops
who here actually really jerks Kotlin all that much in this channel anymore anyway?
static zealot
I will stop the Haskell jerk the day the kotlin jerk stops
who the f is jerking kotlin nowadays? I literally recommend everyone not do the same mistake I did (that was to listen to you (and use kotlin)) xD
distant sun
I will stop the Haskell jerk the day the kotlin jerk stops
Meh
static zealot
yes I Use kotlin but that's bcz I Like it personally
old wyvern
who the f is jerking kotlin nowadays? I literally recommend everyone not do the ...
Kotlin bad
jovial warren
enough
static zealot
Kotlin bad
ok. I don't really care lmao. I'll still use it
onyx loom
another day another dev general argument 😌
jovial warren
exactly
old wyvern
ok. I don't really care lmao. I'll still use it
Ok. Kotlin bad 😌
prisma wave
I propose a ceasefire on ALL circlejerking, only intellectual conversations allowed in #dev-general from now on
jovial warren
another day another dev general argument 😌
prisma wave
So ladies and gentlemen, how do you all feel about the declarative logical language "Prolog"?
onyx loom
🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲
prisma wave
it is quite splendid
old wyvern
So ladies and gentlemen, how do you all feel about the declarative logical langu...
The best invention known to mankind!!!
jovial warren
So ladies and gentlemen, how do you all feel about the declarative logical langu...
enough
static zealot
lmao
old wyvern
it is quite splendid
Ikr
prisma wave
The best invention known to mankind!!!
excuse me sir that's not very intellectual. From now on we must back up all arguments with facts and logic
onyx loom
its shreks 20th anniversary today
jovial warren
I am sick and tired of you throwing languages down my throat to the point that I start hating on them, even if they’re not bad
onyx loom
for the first film
prisma wave
I am sick and tired of you throwing languages down my throat to the point that I...
And yet nobody would complain if we did it about kotlin
Curious...
jovial warren
maybe it would be better if we just didn’t do it at all
onyx loom
o wait wot
static zealot
lmao
prisma wave
maybe it would be better if we just didn’t do it at all
That's what I said, no circlejerking just intellectual conversations
jovial warren
go on then
jovial warren
if you mention Haskell once I’m gonna lose it Alex
prisma wave
it's not Haskell
jovial warren
ffs ofc
prisma wave
Although I'm sure we could have some intellectual conversations about Haskell
jovial warren
that is a circlejerk Alex
prisma wave
HOW
jovial warren
the prolog comment
onyx loom
it was released in the US on may 18th
ocean quartz
Huh, interesting
jovial warren
or at least, Yugi’s response was
prisma wave
I am literally asking "what do you think of Prolog" that's not jerking anything
old wyvern
excuse me sir that's not very intellectual. From now on we must back up all argu...
isBestInventionKnownToMankind(Lang) :-
not(isKotlin(Lang)),
isProlog(Lang).
isBestInventionKnownToMankind (Prolog)
😌 😌 😌
gusty glen
Bm, could you please explain to me how IO Monad is different from the other monads and how does it keep functions pure even when making IO ops?
old wyvern
IO monad is the same as any monad, its pure because it doesnt do anything on its own, it just defines an action
prisma wave
all functions are pure
The IO monad can just be seen as a description of an IO action
It's almost like storing a string of code and then eval()-ing it later on
Except more sophisticated
gusty glen
but is it lazy?
ocean quartz
I am
old wyvern
Everything is lazy
gusty glen
but how can IO be lazy? what if the program stops or something?
ocean quartz
If the program stops it'll just do it "tomorrow"
prisma wave
it's lazy in the language, at runtime it's not lazy
old wyvern
mhm, compiler ignores anything that isnt computer
gusty glen
If the program stops it'll just do it "tomorrow"
f
old wyvern
the rest ar simply copied to the use sites
prisma wave
you define IO by composing different IO monad values, the compiler then turns that into an imperative sequence of instructions
gusty glen
wait, does haskell always get compiled into imperative code?
prisma wave
It compiles to native code, so yeah
old wyvern
let bindings?
gusty glen
yes
old wyvern
I see
gusty glen
Make variables lazy, it's cool
prisma wave
let me just interject for a moment
half harness
for my bedwars bug... I've asked multiple times here without any answer, anyone know where else i can ask?
since i need it fixed :/
prisma wave
What you're referring to as "variables", or as Haskell programmers call them "bindings", are in fact not "variables" at all as they do not vary
gusty glen
well, they are not constants as well
jovial warren
```prolog
isBestInventionKnownToMankind(Lang) :-
not(isKotlin(Lang)),
is...
That's a circlejerk
old wyvern
They are simply referentially transparent expressions
old wyvern
That's a circlejerk
Thats an attempt at prolog
jovial warren
let me just interject for a moment
Oh no
prisma wave
oh yes
prisma wave
well, they are not constants as well
Everything in Haskell is a constant
jovial warren
what you're referring to as "Linux" is in fact...
pale shell
bm, i might work on that method soon
prisma wave
ic
pale shell
I don't like saying the name of that method because i cry each time
jovial warren
Do it
pale shell
It's gonna need the mother of all fucking refractoring
remember this one @prisma wave ?
or if this helps https://i.imgur.com/8fIpUFO.png
jovial warren
Paste that god method somewhere and let me admire it please
jovial warren
That's too complex?
hot hull
That is fucking hideous
jovial warren
I've made worse ones
hot hull
ew
pale shell
you can do that ??
prisma wave
as if that's any better
hot hull
Probably needs () but yea can't see why you couldn't
pale shell
serious question, how can learn java better? I need to.
jovial warren
https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/blob/24f882a422d57b7ec6c5c8e0337faedb0b4da97c/server/src/main/kotlin/org/kryptonmc/krypton/KryptonServer.kt#L150 is getting pretty awful now
prisma wave
take an actual course
pale shell
I know my code is perfect curently but i am sure I can get better || that's a joke pls roast me i wanna cry ||
old wyvern
Big vouch for pluralsight
hot hull
Big vouch for Tim buchanka
pale shell
US$399 oh no
ocean quartz
https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/blob/24f882a422d57b7ec6c5c8e0337faedb0b4da9...
disableGUI: Boolean
Why is gui even an option? 😩
pale shell
@jovial warren thanks, looking at https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/blob/24f882a422d57b7ec6c5c8e0337faedb0b4da97c/server/src/main/kotlin/org/kryptonmc/krypton/KryptonServer.kt#L150 makes me feel better!
If I ever feel like i'm doing bad i'll look at that.
prisma wave
steel heart
jovial warren
> disableGUI: Boolean
Why is gui even an option? 😩
One of the "I'm bored what do I do" features
ocean quartz
Yuck
jovial warren
Hey, at least my GUI supports ANSI colours
ocean quartz
Yo, is this how you're supposed to pronounce "Enums"?
https://youtu.be/lTo03M2HzFY?t=29
It sounds horrible
steel heart
Lmfao
winter iron
gusty glen
Everything in Haskell is a constant
I wouldn't call constant some value that is not know at compile time
boreal needle
ocean quartz
Actully yeah
steel heart
I like the way that kotlin karen pronounced it
ocean quartz
It's like the Jetbrains lady pronouncing MacOS as "macos"
prisma wave
I wouldn't call constant some value that is not know at compile time
all values are known at compile time, that's what referential transparency guarantees
But yes
What I mean is that all variables are final, so they're not really variables
They're bindings
steel heart
but that’s basically variables?
jovial warren
Enoooooms lol
prisma wave
but that’s basically variables?
The point of a variable is that the value can change, haskell deliberately doesn't call them "variables" to avoid that connotation
steel heart
The point of a variable is that the value can change, haskell deliberately doesn...
Uh was thinking of something like a math variable
prisma wave
Oh yeah
half harness
people has to ask in homeless lang shelter for haskell questions 🥲
gusty glen
dkim do you need help, friend?
half harness
😮
gusty glen
i have finally finished all the plugins I had to make, so I can give you the help hand if you want with that bug in your plugin
half harness
yes plz
gusty glen
so lets move to pm so we don't flood the chat here, what do you think?
half harness
okay
prisma wave
people has to ask in homeless lang shelter for haskell questions 🥲
invite
unless he already got an answer
steel heart
Lol Alex he still thinks
prisma wave
i mean it was asked yesterday
Seems the coding den is lacking haskell in their lives
half harness
lol
lunar cypress
everyone with a "life" and "career" is lacking haskell in their lives
prisma wave
so true!
pale shell
#banHaskell
prisma wave
🤣
pale shell
bm
question
so in schematics.yml I have like Tier: 1 right?
Would you add a boolean to add like Last: true for upgrade thing or wut?
like
tier-2:
Default: false
File: mine2.schem
Tier: 2
Last: true
Reset-Delay: 5
Icon:
type: COBBLESTONE
Description:
- "The tier 2 schematic"
No, just determine it by the entry with the highest tier
pale shell
?
prisma wave
if you have 10 tiers, obviously tier 10 is the last one
pale shell
can you explain that in the basic code system people do? Idk what it's called
unkempt tangle
seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenpaiiii
pale shell
loop schematics
get highest tier
check if it's that one or what?
prisma wave
Just keep a sorted list of the schematics and get the last one
TreeSet is your friend
prisma wave
seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenpaiiii
No idea
pale shell
Is treeset hard
prisma wave
Not really...
obtuse gale
Is it possible to configure several voteparty in the plugin voteparty (example: one voteparty of 250 votes and one voteparty of 500 votes)
obtuse gale
ok thanks
pale shell
Would this be a 10 minute job or a 30 min job @prisma wave ?
pale shell
I think I have?
prisma wave
if you have object representations of the schematic config then yes
unkempt tangle
How to set up a JavaFX project to maven 😭
prisma wave
gradle 😀 😃 😄 😁 😆
unkempt tangle
😦
pale shell
if you have object representations of the schematic config then yes
As i'm trying to work out what this means. that's not a good sign. lol.
I should really look into how to do this treeset thing but I don't think it's gonna be easy
gusty glen
hey I got this code that should be teleporting the player through worlds, but it's only teleporting them through locations on the same world
val spawn = (data.teams.getTeam(team) ?: continue).spawn
println("spawn = $spawn")
for (player in players) {
// this?
println("Player world before = ${player.world.name}")
player.teleport(spawn)
println("Player world after = ${player.world.name}")
}
[13:48:48 INFO]: Player world before = world
[13:48:48 INFO]: Player world after = world```player was in world, and after call teleport it should be teleported to world2, but they still in world (they only get teleported to the coordinated x y z of the spawn, but inside world instead of world2, why would that be the case
hot hull
```KT
val spawn = (data.teams.getTeam(team) ?: continue).spawn
println("spawn = ...
You print it out before the players was probably even teleported
gusty glen
You print it out before the players was probably even teleported
but I'm running all the code sync, shouldn't the code only be resumed after the event finished being fired?
distant sun
on paper there's teleportAsync which returns a Future iirc
gusty glen
it's 1.8,I'm helping dkim
that part of the code is what is not working
and I just realized that I posted this in #dev-general and not #development, I'm sorry
hot hull
Just stop it.
jovial warren
https://paste.helpch.at/vizoxezume.apache fucking concurrency
ocean quartz
So Kotlinx serialization doesn't support sealed interface 😩
ocean quartz
jovial warren
yeah you can't automatically serialise normal interfaces either
ocean quartz
Gson handles it just fine 😩
onyx loom
why u using kotlinx in the first place ☹️
steel heart
I don’t get it java compilers fucking tell us we miss semi colons and what not so why cant they just add it instead of giving me an error ):
ocean quartz
Cuz it's the one that comes the the base Ktor and didn't want to add the gson feature, but tbh doing it 😩
onyx loom
good 🙂
jovial warren
Gson handles it just fine 😩
god damn it, how many times must I repeat myself
Gson uses reflection
Kotlin serialization uses compile-time code generation
obtuse gale
Yes but Gson works
onyx loom
and kotlinx bad cus it doesnt work
jovial warren
so does Kotlin serialization
obtuse gale
Not for interfaces
jovial warren
also, Kotlin serialization doesn't completely break due to type erasure
onyx loom
#dev-general message this says otherwise 🥲
jovial warren
Kotlin serialization doesn't require you to write your own serializers because it needs to use type tokens to get around type erasure for Lists and Maps
ocean quartz
Kotlin serialization uses **compile-time code generation**
Why does that matter? lol
I never mentioned that one is reflection or not, i just need it to work
One does the other one doesn't, pretty simple
jovial warren
they both have their ups and downs
I've just stated when Gson doesn't "just work"
so there's an argument for both sides
ocean quartz
Idc about their ups and downs, i just want it to serialize a list of sealed entries, nothing more
You're arguing for no reason lol
jovial warren
because I don't like people shitting on Kotlin serialization for something that's not the library's fault
obtuse gale
I mean it could use both if it's so good lol
jovial warren
I suppose type erasure causing strange issues isn't Gson's fault either
jovial warren
I mean it could use both if it's so good lol
there's one very important reason why Kotlin serialization doesn't use reflection
ocean quartz
Gson serializes this, Kotlinx serialization doesn't, simple as that lol, not here to argue about what it's supposed to do or not
obtuse gale
Type tokens and serializers are two different things
obtuse gale
there's one very important reason why Kotlin serialization doesn't use reflectio...
??
ocean quartz
Plus i'm not shitting on anything just saying it doesn't work for this lol
And who cares about multi platform i am using jvm
jovial warren
yeah ik I was just saying to emily why it can't support reflection
or why it doesn't use it
prisma wave
average kotlinx.idiomatic fan vs average gson enjoyer
prisma wave
I didn't say anything
jovial warren
I swear you switched to kotlinx.serialization in the old MineKraft
so you can't say shit matey
prisma wave
because "idiomatic kotlij good"
"kotlin language library java bad"
"free thinkers" when someone says that not everything needs to be recreated in kotlin
ocean quartz
I swear you switched to kotlinx.serialization in the old MineKraft
And didn't you just recently switch to Gson? lol
jovial warren
yes I did
mainly because it's the most supported JSON library in the Minecraft community
and the conversion from Gson to kotlinx.serialization was a bit annoying
one of the main reasons why Guava is on the classpath
and also commons lang 3
but we do actually use commons text (also on the classpath)
prisma wave
mainly because it's the most supported JSON library in the Minecraft community
becuase gson good
onyx loom
🥲
prisma wave
but we do actually use commons text (also on the classpath)
WE NEED kotlinx-commons-text
onyx loom
this should be in the kotlin-stdlib tbh 🙄
who needs kotlinx-blah-blah when u have the stdlib
jovial warren
most of it is
because putting coroutines in the standard library when not everyone uses it would make the stdlib 3MB instead of 1.4MB
onyx loom
sounds good to me 👍
jovial warren
and we also don't want a humongous JAR file
onyx loom
how about they make all the functions in the stdlib use coroutines, then theyre using it
a new coroutine for every method 🥲
prisma wave
who needs kotlinx-blah-blah when u have the stdlib
HASKRLL STANDARD LIBRARY
Comically large
prisma wave
big
onyx loom
how big is big
prisma wave
almost as big as elara stdlib
stuck harbor
prisma wave
RUST
onyx loom
@prisma wave is elara kebab case or not
because in the stdlib u got some functions using it and some functions using camel
prisma wave
<@!266973575225933824> is elara kebab case or not
Not anymore
Some outdated stuff is probably still kebab case
onyx loom
u got it in print-raw function and in the readme
go commit so u can say "elara is not abandoned!"
static zealot
lmao
old wyvern
@prisma wave any chance the doc will be done by 26thish?
prisma wave
Maybe
static zealot
0% chance
prisma wave
Potentially
static zealot
why?
that's happening on 26th?
ngl neon feels a bit slow compared to ubuntu. especially when opening apps
ocean quartz
but we do actually use commons text (also on the classpath)
Commons is probably redundant there no? I mean most of it should be provided by the kotlin std
jovial warren
we use commons text for CSV escaping
but Guava, Commons lang 3 and Commons text are primarily there because vanilla has them, and so they are expected to be there by a lot of cross-platform plugins
though we do make use of Guava and text, not sure about lang 3
ocean quartz
Fair
prisma wave
CSV files 😖 🥴
jovial warren
@old wyvern btw, how's that slim jar stuff coming along?
half harness
my bw plugin is 4mb
jovial warren
before I decide to rewrite LP's dependency management system in Kotlin and put it in Krypton
half harness
is that small enough to be on spigot
prisma wave
before I decide to rewrite LP's dependency management system in Kotlin and put i...
PDM
jovial warren
will PDM even work rn for Krypton?
obtuse gale
prisma wave
will PDM even work rn for Krypton?
Maybe
old wyvern
<@!235475470806679554> btw, how's that slim jar stuff coming along?
Came along great, one of my friends added it to his plugin, seems to be working perfectly. Now doing the self downloading part to get it down to 50kb
jovial warren
nice
how's the Krypton one coming along?
did you even get round to finishing that?
old wyvern
I have it mostly done, lemme actually try if I can do that rn
prisma wave
Came along great, one of my friends added it to his plugin, seems to be working ...
How much did you pay him to say "it works perfectly" HUH
ocean quartz
pale shell
@prisma wave https://i.imgur.com/V0ugNXS.png just a couple of changes 😄
old wyvern
man I hate the gradle cache with every ounce of my life
pale shell
gradle cache?
old wyvern
yea it keeps loading things from its downloaded cache without really a way to clear it other than manually find and delete
half harness
<@!266973575225933824> https://i.imgur.com/V0ugNXS.png just a couple of changes ...
smh a commit for each nullcheck
old wyvern
smh a commit for each nullcheck
Smaller commits >>
pale shell
yo @prisma wave if you still here isn't smaller commits better?
half harness
¯_(ツ)_/¯
prisma wave
yo <@!266973575225933824> if you still here isn't smaller commits better?
Obviously
The smaller the better
ocean quartz
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Weren't you the person who almost lost a big chunk of progress because you didn't commit and something bad happen?
Small commits
ocean quartz
Pretty sure it was
distant sun
Or frosty
ocean quartz
Nah, i am like 100% sure it was Dkim xD
distant sun
:))
static zealot
Weren't you the person who almost lost a big chunk of progress because you didn'...
🥲
half harness
wait wdym 'almost'
static zealot
weren't I the person that restored windows without committing a lot of projects? xD
half harness
i still kept my files
it's just git that didn't work
since i was mid-committing
when it bluescreened
so the git stuff got corrupted
ocean quartz
I should commit all my files to github, free storage
static zealot
well I've spent another 2 hours with this fucking keyboard. I guess that's 25$ GONE...
half harness
lol
half harness
well I've spent another 2 hours with this fucking keyboard. I guess that's 25$ G...
?
static zealot
Pretty sure that's 10 hours in total spent just for trying to get my keyboard to work on linux 🥲
old wyvern
I should commit all my files to github, free storage
Windows Git0
ocean quartz
Yas
half harness
https://discord.com/channels/164280494874165248/695431668944732270/8348868846395...
this doesn't have to do with making smaller commits
half harness
lol
old wyvern
😎
ocean quartz
this doesn't have to do with making smaller commits
If you did smaller commits, having corrupted files would lose very little, compared to bigger commits, it has everything to do with it lol
half harness
but what did I lose
ocean quartz
Sanity, and "your precious time D:"
static zealot
?
long story short my CTRL, ALT and WIN key (both left and right) are read as L_SHIFT. ANd its only for my external keyboard not for my laptop one.
I assume its something to do with the keyboard model it auto selected but I went thru most of the available ones (which are a lot) and none fixed my issue. Its funny that I found something very similar on ubuntu's bug report wiki 🥲 (on how to proceed if you have a similar bug) so I must not be the only one but I spent like 6 hours googling and nothing.
surreal quarry
https://github.com/DV8FromTheWorld/JDA/pull/1618 lmfao look what i just found. someone opened a slash commands PR +6k lines of code and it was closed instantly cause it was a duplicate
feelsbadman
obtuse gale
lol
static zealot
https://github.com/DV8FromTheWorld/JDA/pull/1618 lmfao look what i just found. s...
oh wait
its the same PR tho
so its fine
lmao
obtuse gale
LMAOO
static zealot
the same guy opened both
distant sun
https://github.com/DV8FromTheWorld/JDA/pull/1618 lmfao look what i just found. s...
Looks like me trying to contribute to PreciousStones
obtuse gale
bluetree xDDD
static zealot
oh nvm
obtuse gale
no wonder
surreal quarry
lmfao
distant sun
Idk how to do commits, I change too many things at once :))
surreal quarry
yea but it was the same cod
static zealot
Idk how to do commits, I change too many things at once :))
I feel that. I go change my config library but then I have to go into commands and change something there, then I Notice a couple mistakes or improvements and I Fix those too then it just all gets into a commit called .
old wyvern
mhm
static zealot
lmao
distant sun
git commit -m 'changes'
Ahht that wad the command
old wyvern
no gaby, you should try deleting system32
static zealot
hmm I wonder if I disconnect my laptop keyboard
maybe it will finally find my external keyboard
and consider it the main one so it will find the correct model/layout
by itself
damn I'm smart xD
old wyvern
And risk your laptop keyboard not working fine?
static zealot
well that one barely even works anymore lmao. its been literally ripped out of the laptop once
ocean quartz
@distant sun Use GitKraken 
static zealot
and it works in strips so the strip for 3,e,d,c keys keeps stopping
or the chars keeps duplicating sometimes
pretty sure I've used it today in here and you can see the double Ds
xD
static zealot
git kraken is nice until you hit the "buy premium wall" xD
which is that you can't commit to Private repos
half harness
github student dev 😎
static zealot
oh well
old wyvern
well that one barely even works anymore lmao. its been literally ripped out of t...
lmao fix it
whats the point of having a laptop in that case
pale shell
i wonder when someone from trusted will get admin
old wyvern
Already happened
pale shell
who
old wyvern
Piggy
pale shell
piggy was always admin?
old wyvern
No?
gusty glen
what would be good websites to sell a plugin?
pale shell
fr?
old wyvern
Helpful -> Trusted -> Admin, altho apparently in the span of 2-3 days
pale shell
could've been me, but they're missing out 🥲
static zealot
what JDK do you guys use and does it make any difference?
forest pecan
Helpful -> Trusted -> Admin, altho apparently in the span of 2-3 days
how
steel heart
any% speedrun
static zealot
how
they probably didn't make the trusted and admin roles that fast
they made helpful first
then they decided to make a TRusted role
hot hull
He just built different duh
static zealot
so they gave him that
and then when they finally made the admin role they gave him that too
smh
frail glade
That dude gotta chill lmao.
static zealot
well remove one... xD
gusty glen
can you copy the message back and send it to me?
static zealot
barry sent you a paste bin tho... why u not paying attention? smh
onyx loom
i think he wants a plugin template
static zealot
can you copy the message back and send it to me?
[Service] Populate a plugin configuration with item, effects and mobs
[Request] Super basic stuff, you just have to create items, effects and mobs following the configuration patterns of a plugin I own, DM for details
[Budget] Negotiable```thanks blitz ❤️
eternal compass
alright
I just got Creative Cloud
for like 3 years I'd wanted DreamWeaver, then all the sudden I got WebStorm :p
static zealot
@prisma wave some more for your collection
old wyvern
why use webstorm when flutter exists
Elm!!