dev-general

[old wyvern]

weed, idk, depends, it can kill on od

I think?

[quiet depot]

but by that logic coal power plants would also be illegal

you can't overdose on weed

[old wyvern]

oh nvm then

[quiet depot]

you'd have to smoke like 300kg of it or something

in one sitting

to overdose

[old wyvern]

xD

[quiet depot]

it's a huge number idk it off the top of my head

[ocean quartz]

Probably less than caffeine

[quiet depot]

yeah caffeine is comparatively quite easy to overdose on

[ocean quartz]

More i mean

[old wyvern]

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/can-marijuana-kill-you#Parents-believe-marijuana-cause-their-sons-death

idk

Not like its too hard to come by anyway

[quiet depot]

weed deaths come from what it can make u do

like driving under the influence

but it alone can't kill u

[old wyvern]

hmm

[ocean quartz]

Fun fact portugal decriminalized drugs in 2003 since then the number of overdose dropped an insane amount

[old wyvern]

ig Alcohol is more dangerous in that sense

[quiet depot]

yeah alchohol actually can kill you, it alone

[old wyvern]

Yea I think I almost did once

I dont remember anything from that day

My friends were carrying me around xD

[quiet depot]

not to mention alchohol's effects are without doubt much more severe than weed

[old wyvern]

We got fined at a lounge coz I vomitted all over the place

[quiet depot]

lol

[ocean quartz]

I've seen too much bad stuff happen because of alcohol growing up in the middle of alcoholic people
I don't drink it at all because of that

[quiet depot]

ye it's a little bit fucked

[obtuse gale]

o

[tranquil crane]

guess I'm not reading that anymore kek

[obtuse gale]

lol

nothing much really

[quiet depot]

nothing you can't find on google

[tranquil crane]

yeah ik I only read a few messages and then poof

[cinder flare]

@prisma wave https://github.com/zyla/haskell-nullpointer

your new favorite thing

[prisma wave]

Oh my god

Okay firstly

[prisma wave]

You need to be put to death

[cinder flare]

heheehe

[prisma wave]

Popular does not mean good / bad

Any smart person prefers haskell

[jovial warren]

Surely though, the better the language, the more people that like it

[quiet depot]

python is the most popular language

[prisma wave]

^

[quiet depot]

it's one of the worst

[prisma wave]

So python and JS are good by that logic

[jovial warren]

True I guess

[prisma wave]

Also by your same logic, Scala and PHP are better than kotlin

[quiet depot]

oh but that's actually true

[prisma wave]

well

[quiet depot]

php is one of the better languages

by all accounts

[prisma wave]

Yes of course

[jovial warren]

The stats I like to use are stack overflow's on the most loved languages, which are much more accurate about which are the best than most stats

In which, Kotlin is 3rd or 4th and Trashskell is like 15th

[quiet depot]

yeah I don't trust those when I see python as a "most loved language" every year

[jovial warren]

And Rust is the most loved iirc

[quiet depot]

I just cannot accept python as a loved language

[jovial warren]

The good thing about the stack overflow surveys is that they are mostly done by the non smooth brains in the development community

[quiet depot]

doubt

there are plenty of smooth brains on stackoverflow

[jovial warren]

Which is why you get more accurate results like Rust on top and Kotlin at like 3rd or 4th

And Haskell at like 15th

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-languages-loved okay Python is 3rd I take that back

[quiet depot]

and it's very close to being second

c# near the top

java near the bottom

how can two languages which are so similar, be so far apart

[jovial warren]

Because people prefer C# a lot to Java

Even though C# kinda sucks

[quiet depot]

only thing I dislike about c# is its naming conventions

[jovial warren]

I think some of its features are a bit over verbose as well

Like the declaration of extension methods

[quiet depot]

I appreciate java's verbosity, and seeing as how c# is less verbose than java, can't say that'd affect me

[jovial warren]

I like Kotlin because I write less code and get more or less the same result

And as I heard from watching a YouTube video last night from this older guy called Continuous Delivery, software development is all about writing less code

Though I have taken that out of context

[quiet depot]

Continuous Delivery wow what a unique name

[jovial warren]

He meant that in a way that you're meant to find better ways to solve problems so you need to write less code to solve them

[quiet depot]

can tell they put a lot of effort into that

[jovial warren]

Lol

Software developers aren't creative

We're logical problem solvers, not creative designers

[quiet depot]

not mutually exclusive

[jovial warren]

Because yes, contrary to somewhat popular opinion, software development is about solving problems, not writing code

Writing code is just what you use to solve the problem, it's not what you get paid so much for

[prisma wave]

The best way of solving problems is of course modeling them as a composition of pure functions

Statistically proven to be most effective

[jovial warren]

Of course functional programming circlejerking has to come in to this

[prisma wave]

when wouldn't it?

[jovial warren]

Get outta here BM, no one wants to hear your crap

[prisma wave]

It's applicable to everything

[jovial warren]

There are many different ways to solve a problem

[prisma wave]

also pretty ironic seeing as how this conversation started from you circlejerking kotlin

[jovial warren]

Fair

At least I'm circlejerking an actually good language

[prisma wave]

But only one is the best way

[jovial warren]

That you still use and love, despite you trying to convince yourself you don't

Or pretending like you don't, one of the two

[prisma wave]

"love" is something of an exaggeration

[quiet depot]

eh

[jovial warren]

All circlejerking aside, Kotlin is one of your most used languages

And you like it

[quiet depot]

who cares lol

[jovial warren]

Good point

[prisma wave]

^

[prisma wave]

Only from IGNORANCE

[jovial warren]

Wat

Wdym from ignorance

Oh btw, can I get some ratings out of 10 for https://github.com/spongepowered/plugin-spi ? Debating whether to use it in Krypton to replace the current plugin system

[quiet depot]

can't believe people didn't vote sponge

smh

[jovial warren]

It's Sponge's plugin system standalone

[quiet depot]

try osgi

[jovial warren]

Most people voted for the Krypton API lol

[jovial warren]

Nah reading the specification for that just confused me

[quiet depot]

sponge doesn't support reloading

osgi does

[jovial warren]

true

I don’t want to over complicate things on either the API or the server side though

OSGi has too many layers for me

also the encapsulation between plugins is not something that I need either, and I kinda need to use a URL class loader to allow plugins to inject paths into their own class loader at runtime (e.g. what LuckPerms does)

[quiet depot]

right

what about what spigot is doing now

with their new loading thing

that looks cool and useful

[jovial warren]

what are they doing now?

[quiet depot]

it's like pdm but integrated into spigot

and more isolation

so I think plugins can't interact with eachother anymore unless it's defined in plugin.yml

and spigot also downloads dependencies

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/vKps.gif

[old wyvern]

They can interact, but dealing with each others dependencies directly withiut stating it in plugin.yml will end up with issues

[quiet depot]

idk bardy i haven't used it yet

someone was showing it in here the other day

[jovial warren]

I want to allow reloading of configs at some point

[quiet depot]

lol

[jovial warren]

but not sure about any more than that

[quiet depot]

that's like the easiest thing ever

[old wyvern]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/jira/projects/SPIGOT/issues/SPIGOT-5352

[jovial warren]

yeah ik

[old wyvern]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/commits/146a7e4bd764990c56bb326643e92eb69f24d27e

Only from Central apparently

[jovial warren]

yeah

[quiet depot]

has anyone told him that that's against the tos

or whatever

[old wyvern]

Probably should

[jovial warren]

what’s against the ToS?

[old wyvern]

Downloading directly from central at client end/ abusing their bandwidth

[distant sun]

He's md5

[old wyvern]

What?

[jovial warren]

the Spigot CLA is against Bukkit’s GPL terms, but does he give a fuck?

does he fuck

[quiet depot]

fun fact

[old wyvern]

lol

[quiet depot]

md is a lawyer

or a law student

or something like that

I think

[old wyvern]

Ohh?

[jovial warren]

no way

[old wyvern]

Thats.. awkward

[quiet depot]

yeah pretty sure I heard he's a law student

but that was a little while ago, which is why I said he may be an actual lawyer now

[old wyvern]

Ah

[jovial warren]

maybe he does what Paper does then and licenses the commits under the Spigot license and licenses the code under GPL

[distant sun]

Doubtful

[old wyvern]

Nothing like a law major publically breaking the law 😌

[jovial warren]

surely though, if he’s a lawyer, he’d know that the CLA is against GPL

[quiet depot]

I think you missed my point

if he's a lawyer, then it's probably not against the gpl

[distant sun]

How so

[old wyvern]

maybe 🤷

[quiet depot]

yea just confirmed

he's a law student

assuming his linkedin is up to date

[old wyvern]

link?

[jovial warren]

also, if Spigot’s breaking the Sonatype ToS, how is aether not?

[distant sun]

What now :))

[jovial warren]

as in Eclipse aether, which is the library he uses

[distant sun]

Ah

[old wyvern]

No idea. You can check their docs or ask irc lol

[distant sun]

I will break something if this doesnt stop happening property <property name> (Kotlin reflection is not available)

[old wyvern]

Matt and me went there to ask earlier

[jovial warren]

add kotlin-reflect

implementation(kotlin(“reflect”))

[distant sun]

that produces a even bigger error

[old wyvern]

slim(kotlin("reflect"))

😌

[distant sun]

AND it cam out of nowhere ...

[old wyvern]

The quotes gaby

[distant sun]

https://github.com/iGabyTM/GUIHelper/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/me/gabytm/minecraft/guihelper/functions/Items.kt#L130

[old wyvern]

Use normal quotes

[distant sun]

not that Yugi, im talking about adding kotlin reflect https://paste.helpch.at/sunupuhupo.hs

[old wyvern]

You copy pasted what bard sent?

[distant sun]

no

[old wyvern]

.hs 😌

[quiet depot]

https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?currentCompany=[19185631] yugi

you can't actually go onto his profile

you can just see him at the top

[distant sun]

implementation 'org.jetbrains.kotlin:kotlin-reflect'

[old wyvern]

Have you shaded kotlin?

Stdlib

[distant sun]

but I dont want an entire library just to fix a thing that shoudn't happen

[jovial warren]

not sure Kotlin reflect likes you relocating Kotlin

[distant sun]

https://github.com/iGabyTM/GUIHelper/blob/master/build.gradle

again, it worked just fine for a month, and yesterday stopped and instead I get this thing when debugging the properties

[jovial warren]

what actually produces that error?

if you’re not doing reflection then that shouldn’t occur

[old wyvern]

I dont think I can,

Unless his name is tushant

Which I dont think it is

[quiet depot]

show pic

[quiet depot]

it doesn’t show names

wtf

[distant sun]

exactly

[old wyvern]

lol

[quiet depot]

ok just search spigotmc

[old wyvern]

Alrighty

[quiet depot]

and then go to the company page

click on people who work here

[jovial warren]

he’s very conservative with his info isn’t he

doesn’t even publish it on LinkedIn

[quiet depot]

no it’s just you have to be in the same network to view their profile or something

[distant sun]

Well last night I wanted to test some changes and for some reason the result for that method (item.displayName) looks like this !!me.gabytm.minecraft.guihelper.generators.implementations.DeluxeMenusGenerator$createItem$4 {} so I decided to print it to console and it shows property displayName (Kotlin reflection is not available). The error is from trying to same thing but with kotlin-reflect added

[jovial warren]

ah actually ik why it’s saying Kotlin reflection isn’t available

[old wyvern]

That guy?

[quiet depot]

yes

[old wyvern]

Ah

[quiet depot]

second down

[jovial warren]

because reflection is required for the full toString result

[quiet depot]

that’s md

[old wyvern]

Ahh

[jovial warren]

how tf do you know that’s what md looks like?

[quiet depot]

there’s loads of pictures of him

[onyx loom]

stalker

[quiet depot]

on spigot forums

like in the old minecon threads

[distant sun]

Again, the error came out of nowhere, and as you can see is a simple thing, nothing related to reflection imo.

[jovial warren]

yeah you don’t need reflect here

[distant sun]

I have no clue what could break it or how to fix it

[jovial warren]

so you getting an NPE from using !!?

[static zealot]

gaby please don't blame being a bad developer on the plugin

thanik you

[jovial warren]

or what?

[static zealot]

thank*

[distant sun]

!!me.gabytm... is just what's being set to config when calling item.displayName

[jovial warren]

show me the full stack trace again

[distant sun]

This one is after added kotlin reflect https://paste.helpch.at/sunupuhupo.hs

The only error without kotlin reflect is just from yaml not being able to find !!me.gabytm.minecraft.guihelper.generators.implementations.DeluxeMenusGenerator$createItem$4 {}

[jovial warren]

what the fuck

[old wyvern]

Gaby

[jovial warren]

the only explanation is Kotlin not being on the class path, but if it wasn’t, your plugin wouldn’t even load

[old wyvern]

I got it

The issue is

[jovial warren]

wait what

[old wyvern]

You're setting the configuration paths value to a function

Line 30 on ConfigurationSections.kt

[distant sun]

hm

do I need value() ?

[old wyvern]

Yes

Might also wanna handle the nullability

[distant sun]

I swear that's been there since begin

[distant sun]

nah null removes a section

[old wyvern]

Ah alrighty

Then just apply the func

()

[jovial warren]

also make that an operator fun

[distant sun]

yup doing it now

looks horrible as an operator

[old wyvern]

I dont think that can be one

[distant sun]

[path, { condition }] = { value }

[old wyvern]

It has 3 arguments

[jovial warren]

how does section[“path”] = { some function whatever } look horrible

oh I see

[distant sun]

fucking ide

[static zealot]

nah gaby its just your

[distant sun]

Execution failed for task ':processResources'.
> Entry plugin.yml is a duplicate but no duplicate handling strategy has been set.```
So cute

[static zealot]

fault

someone recommend me an auto clicker for ubuntu

nvm xdotool it is

[quiet depot]

blitz did u switch to plasma?

[static zealot]

I did but then I switched back

[quiet depot]

y

[static zealot]

well not completely.

bcz its ugly

idk

xD

[quiet depot]

oof

[static zealot]

I tried to remove plasma completely but it didn't. the login page is ugly af rn xD

and broken

[quiet depot]

yeah

expected

[old wyvern]

What lmao

[quiet depot]

it's not actually ugly

you probably just did something wrong

I don't blame you

[static zealot]

lmao

I only did 1 command

[quiet depot]

changing de's isn't a smooth process

[static zealot]

to install it

[quiet depot]

ik star said it is yesterday

[boreal needle]

you need to manually install the sddm theme

[old wyvern]

You probably still need to configure it

[boreal needle]

otherwise you get the ugly blue one

[quiet depot]

sddm?

[boreal needle]

display manager

[distant sun]

how can you not love jetbrains ide -.-

[quiet depot]

plasma login should look like this blitz

[static zealot]

I had an ugly white and blue one yeah idk. SOme elements are still persisting like icons for trash can, folders for the close/minimize buttons

etc.

[jovial warren]

wdym i3 on top

[boreal needle]

i3 + plasma is a match made in heaven

[static zealot]

nah it was way uglier

[jovial warren]

default i3 theme 😎

[quiet depot]

yeah something went wrong then

for a beginner

[static zealot]

probably

idk xD

[quiet depot]

the best option is to install a distro with the right de

[static zealot]

like for example the login password thing opens a keyboard that's bigger than my screen

lmao

[boreal needle]

did it look like that

[static zealot]

yeah

that's the one

still looks like that

[quiet depot]

and once you're on kde you shouldn't need to switch because there's loads of themes

[static zealot]

😢

[jovial warren]

ew what is that shit

[boreal needle]

yeah just change it in the plasma settings

[static zealot]

well I kinda uninstalled a lot of shit to do with KDE so idk what I broke now lmao

[jovial warren]

I use this login screen beginning with a G, can’t remember exactly what it’s called

[static zealot]

I could probably use a reinstall

of the whole OS

[quiet depot]

blitz what do u have on ur computer

[static zealot]

:)))

[boreal needle]

gdm?

[quiet depot]

I think most installers can install a new os without destroying ur personal files

[static zealot]

well on ubuntu not a lot of shit but I spent like 2 days (without sleep) to set it all up 😢

[boreal needle]

des and dms are like the only thing im good at

ah

ubuntu

[quiet depot]

well now you've set it up once

[boreal needle]

that explains a lot

[quiet depot]

you should be able to do it again

quicker

[static zealot]

no thanks

[old wyvern]

What did you setup that it took 2 days?

[static zealot]

I still didn't figure out my keyboard

and it fucking sucks

[quiet depot]

what's wrong with the keyboard?

[static zealot]

well mostly was my keyboard lmao. I spent over 7 hours in total just for that

[old wyvern]

xD

[static zealot]

oh boy let me find my message its way to much

for me

https://discordapp.com/channels/164280494874165248/695431668944732270/843718875958738964

here you go

I had nightmares last night

[jovial warren]

yeah I use gdm lol

[quiet depot]

what's the keyboard called

[old wyvern]

I constantly have a panic attack before my exams on the thought of it not booting up minutes before the exam

[boreal needle]

star is right

[old wyvern]

🥲

[jovial warren]

star?

[boreal needle]

ubuntu is a pain in the ass for anything that's not stock

[jovial warren]

star is never in here anymore I swear

[static zealot]

let me see lmao I almost broke it but then I remembered I'm fucking poor and I can't afford a new one otherwise I wouldn't have wasted those 7 hours xD

[old wyvern]

He was here just yesterday

[boreal needle]

blitz

do me a favour

[static zealot]

White Shark GK-1621

[boreal needle]

if you reinstall, use something arch based

but not manjaro

[static zealot]

I won't

[quiet depot]

he's a beginner...

[static zealot]

I won't reinstall*

lmao

I'm to tired for that shit

[boreal needle]

arch isnt as bad as everyone makes it out to be

[quiet depot]

it is literally the opposite of a beginner distro

[boreal needle]

if you get handheld through linux then you dont know how to use Linux

im pretty sure that like 99% of ubuntu users don't know what systemd is

[static zealot]

well I don't want to use linux anymore xD

I switched bcz windows barely even works anymore. since 2 updates ago everything crashes

[old wyvern]

Just use whatever you want blitz

[old wyvern]

Didnt a new update fix it?

[static zealot]

nope

I tested it

[old wyvern]

Weird

[static zealot]

but still the same

[jovial warren]

I pretty much started with Arch (had Ubuntu for maybe a day before my friend convinced me to go to Arch), he helped me out a lot with it but I’m used to it now, taught me a decent amount about stuff

[old wyvern]

Rollback the update

[jovial warren]

Arch throws you right in the deep end

[static zealot]

I did already 2 times. but I Forgot how to cancel auto updates so every time I Restart it just updates back

I'll just stay with GNOME for now

[boreal needle]

i wouldn't say right in the deep end

its not gentoo

[old wyvern]

Alrighty

[quiet depot]

blitz perhaps linux from scratch is for you

[jovial warren]

Arch is about as close you can get without having to compile the OS yourself

[static zealot]

but but... it took to long to install

I can't wait this long again

[old wyvern]

An install shouldnt take long

[jovial warren]

I tried reading that once, pretty much got lost within the first couple of pages

[old wyvern]

I didnt mean to quote that

lol

Also

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-automatically-windows-10?amp

Hmm just noticed, discord android doesnt seem to allow removing embeds

[jovial warren]

why would you add a registry entry for that instead of hard coding it smh

[static zealot]

well anyways windows made me waste like 5 days or whatever then I spent another 2 on setting up ubuntu. I literally wasted a week. reinstalling ubuntu will probably take another 1 day (as in 24 hours xD)

[jovial warren]

you need to make it a real nightmare for your average granny to disable auto updates

[quiet depot]

well if u do reinstall

kde neon

[old wyvern]

^ vouch

[static zealot]

well I DOn't even know how to fucking reinstall ...

that's another thing

xD

[quiet depot]

exact same way you install

[jovial warren]

whatever OS you choose, make sure it’s not Manjaro lol

[static zealot]

but to install I had to free up space from my C:. Can I Just rewrite the new thing on the already existing drive or will it just break more? xD

[snow wave]

anyone know how to delete holograms that were created with deluxehub? ive deleted them for the plugin but they are still in the game

[static zealot]

#general-plugins

also

/kill probably works

[old wyvern]

You can

[static zealot]

unless they're client sided

[quiet depot]

u can just rewrite

[static zealot]

So I Can just select my dev7 I think it is rn without having to clear it first?

[snow wave]

i did that but they came back after restarting

[quiet depot]

yes blitz

[old wyvern]

Mhm, select the partition you installed it on currently

[quiet depot]

do u still have windows blitz?

[static zealot]

yeah

dual booting rn

[jovial warren]

Manjaro is basically what happens when you take Arch and try to turn it into Ubuntu

[quiet depot]

i had to boot into windows today

first time in months

[old wyvern]

What happened?

[jovial warren]

why?

[quiet depot]

was in a rush to get into a meeting and was struggling to passthrough my headset to my windows vm (using a different headset, already had the passthrough working fine for the other one)

[old wyvern]

Ahh lol

[quiet depot]

so said fuck it and just switched to my main pc (was on my laptop) and booted up windows

[old wyvern]

lol

[jovial warren]

lol

🥲

[old wyvern]

Also btw my mic problem from earlier is specific to this earphones

I tried a few others and it works fine

💀

Dont understand why it works on my phone tho

[static zealot]

rn I have like 7 paritions and 4 of those I've got no clue what they are lmao

[quiet depot]

show

u should have 2 to 3 partitions

for linux

[old wyvern]

The partitions should show a tag for the ones you use

[static zealot]

well actually I have: WIndows (C: D:) and Ubuntu

so those are 3 I know

[old wyvern]

Send screnshot of the partition manager boitz

Of the disk you installed ubuntu on

[static zealot]

then one is for the boot

1 second

https://i.imgur.com/AE1NB1i.png

here

oh btw SharenIX

was another problem

that I Struggled with

xD

[quiet depot]

i just use spectacle

[static zealot]

so the 3 main ones

and the small

one with the star

I Know what they are

xD

also recovery partition which idk what or when I made

and there's 2 I have no dea what they are

[quiet depot]

wat

[old wyvern]

Ubuntu is probably the ext4 one I think

[quiet depot]

which 2

[static zealot]

yeah it is

the ones with the stars

are the used ones

so boot partition

and ubuntu

[quiet depot]

uh no

[static zealot]

pairtition 4 is my C: for windows

[quiet depot]

first one isn't a boot partition

[static zealot]

hm

well anyways about the 3 big ones I'm sure what they are

[old wyvern]

2nd one is

[static zealot]

well yeah second one is the one with the star

that's what I Said

[quiet depot]

isn't 100mb a bit small for the boot partition

[old wyvern]

Thats what windows has default

[static zealot]

well I didn't make it. or at least I Don't remember making one xD

[old wyvern]

I have the same on my windows drive I think

Lemme check

[quiet depot]

oh is that the windows boot partition?

I thought it was for linux

[static zealot]

but yeah I did consider it a bit small when I saw it 2 days ago

its for both

[old wyvern]

He probably added to that

Yea

I have 2 separate ones

[quiet depot]

in that case it definitely seems too small

I had an issue the other day on my nuc which has like a 1gb boot partition, it actually ran out of space

[static zealot]

we'll make it 500 MB. I have a lot left in my C: xD

[quiet depot]

that could've just been due to bad practices on my behalf

but idk

[static zealot]

but for real now

what the hell is Partition 5?

and Partition 3

[old wyvern]

I have 260 actually

[static zealot]

oh 3 is Microsoft Reserved

idk what the fuck that means

[quiet depot]

5 is windows

something for windows

idk what

[static zealot]

yeah it is recovery

so I have 2 recovery partitions

...

I didn't realise it says when I click on them lmao

[old wyvern]

What are you using blitz?

[quiet depot]

smh yugi

[static zealot]

hmm ?

[quiet depot]

what u on windows for

[old wyvern]

I had this on

lol

[static zealot]

wdym yugi?

[old wyvern]

havent used pc since exam yesterday

[quiet depot]

not even using a vm

[old wyvern]

the partition manager

[static zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/GcQdfFG.png

[old wyvern]

Why tho

[static zealot]

its the ubuntu one

the drivers

or whatever its called

Disks*

[old wyvern]

Try installing gparted

It seemed to tag everything

[quiet depot]

gparted should be installed by default

on ubuntu

I think

[old wyvern]

Ah

[static zealot]

yeah they are tagged here as well. I Didn't know that xd

2 of them are recovery partitions

for windows

for some reason

[old wyvern]

No like it showed a name for each partition

[static zealot]

yeah

[old wyvern]

"Manjaro", "Root", "Windows"

[static zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/T0iMhKz.png

this is only one I Don't understand I guess

but anyways

will try and reinstall I guess

and also will make the boot partition a bit bigger

[quiet depot]

probably not possible

[old wyvern]

Also, piggy, can I grow my home partition without any extra steps or do i need to do something more?

[quiet depot]

unless you've somehow got a bunch of free space infront of your boot partition that it can expand to

depends yugi

show me the partition structure from fdisk or parted

[static zealot]

I had an app before that allowed me to put space from any partitions in other partitions but I completely forgot what it was called

fuck

[old wyvern]

on windows rn xD

Thinking of shrinking D further

[quiet depot]

and you're the one who asked "why?" to my vm thing

this is why

[static zealot]

ah here we go https://i.imgur.com/HxRibT8.png

[old wyvern]

I do want to use windows properly tho, vm is probably going to be slow

neon on vm was not smooth

[quiet depot]

vm's take lots of configuration to be smooth

[old wyvern]

Yea I think this works, atleast for now

Cant risk screwing things up during online semesters

[static zealot]

well time to get everything ready for KDE Neon I guess

[quiet depot]

yeah this isn't very useful unfortunately

[static zealot]

and hope I Don't mess up my windows part as well

😢

[old wyvern]

What info do you need piggy?

[static zealot]

wait what the fuck do I use to put KDE Neon on my USB Stick again? something for linux

please

[quiet depot]

etcher

hang on yugi

[old wyvern]

alrighty

[storm orchid]

I found the solution! After reading various articles, I came across a similar problem in the game Rust (there, too, teams were deleted after restarting the server)... Someone wrote that if there are no players in the team, then the team is removed. I decided to check in Minecraft, so I accidentally found a solution to my problem, adding players of the type "*player1", "*player2" and so on to each team.

[old wyvern]

Good job!, but no need to spam it in every channel

[storm orchid]

Sorry, I'll delete in the second channel then

[quiet depot]

yugi assuming these partitions are in order

[static zealot]

oh fuck

[quiet depot]

you first need to resize the d partition

[static zealot]

I Mmessed something up

I think

[quiet depot]

then extend the second partition backwards

then resize the file system of the second partition

[static zealot]

I can access my C: from linux and I really hope that didn't break my windows part

[quiet depot]

then move the data on the second partition backwards

[static zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/o1POXHP.png

[quiet depot]

and then do that for every partition till you reach the target partition

[static zealot]

fuck

[quiet depot]

it's a long unenjoyable process

[old wyvern]

oh god

xD

[quiet depot]

blitz mounting windows partitions in linux is harmless

[old wyvern]

Unless you have fast boot on

[quiet depot]

I have my windows partition permanently mounted on my linux install and nothing has ever happened

[static zealot]

oh ok

[quiet depot]

yeah I don't think I have fast boot on

[static zealot]

oh god no

welp ... xD

[old wyvern]

The installation guide warned about that sometimes setting it to "read-only" mode? not sure if its just an issue while on linux

[static zealot]

it wouldn't be the first time I've messed everything up

[jovial warren]

you get a warning about hibernation which NTFS-3G turns into an error and refuses to let you mount with

[quiet depot]

yugi the default ntfs driver is read only

that may be what it's referring to

[old wyvern]

ah

[jovial warren]

NTFS-3G won’t let you mount a Windows drive that has a hiberfile

[quiet depot]

what does hibernate even do

[old wyvern]

Speaking of which, hibernation seems to work slightly differently. Like discord seems to be active when I close my laptop

It doesnt have the same "connecting" period as on windows

[quiet depot]

when you close your laptop it's not going into hibernation

[old wyvern]

It seems to already be connected when I open things back up

[static zealot]

I wonder if I can just rewrite KDE NEON over my Ubuntu usb stick

[old wyvern]

I meant the windows equivilent, not sure what its called

[quiet depot]

you can blitz

I believe hibernation and sleep are two different things yugi

[jovial warren]

hibernation stores a sort of snapshot of your RAM in the hiberfile that gets loaded into RAM on startup

[old wyvern]

Windows doesnt go into sleep I think

[jovial warren]

yes, hibernation != sleep

[quiet depot]

windows definitely does go into sleep

wait maybe not

google time

yep windows does sleep

[jovial warren]

not when you shut it down

it hibernates

[boreal needle]

what does fast startup do

[quiet depot]

I mean it can sleep bardy

[jovial warren]

@boreal needle

[static zealot]

so just so I don't missuneerstand. kde neon will take place for ubuntu completely right?

[boreal needle]

is fast startup hibernation then

[old wyvern]

fast startup doesnt do it entirely

[quiet depot]

yes blitz

[old wyvern]

just the kernal files

[jovial warren]

fast startup is the result of hibernation

[static zealot]

time to google KDE Neon instalation tutorialsxD

[jovial warren]

or is it different hmm

[quiet depot]

blitz

[static zealot]

yes?

[quiet depot]

you don't need a tutorial lol

these installers have all the information you need

once you've done it once the process is identical for most distros

the installers are basically the same

[static zealot]

another question I have. If I select the boot drive to be the same as the windows one will it not mess up since I have ubuntu in there as well?

[quiet depot]

no clue

[boreal needle]

with uefi, no

[static zealot]

ok good

[quiet depot]

how is that good

[static zealot]

lets hope 60 MB is enough for kde neon

[boreal needle]

not having a kekw'd efi partition sounds pretty good tbh

[quiet depot]

"will it not mess up" "no" = "it will mess up"

</nazi>

[boreal needle]

not what i meant

[old wyvern]

uninstalling is possibly easier with a separate boot partition

[boreal needle]

cant you just mount it and delete stuff

[static zealot]

🥲

[boreal needle]

blitz, reusing a partition is fine

[old wyvern]

Yes, but if with a separate one, you can just delete it and change the boot order

[boreal needle]

ig there is that

just a waste of a hundred or so mb imo

[old wyvern]

That seems like a fair cost

[static zealot]

fuck

[boreal needle]

are we talking about the new discord colours

[quiet depot]

stupid change

[static zealot]

well I they're trash. I just didn't know they changed it for online color

[quiet depot]

smooth brain play

wym online color?

[boreal needle]

yeah theyre pretty bad

[static zealot]

thee circle

that says u are online

[quiet depot]

the circle?

[boreal needle]

yeah they changed that

[quiet depot]

show

i'm on linux

no update yet

[static zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/xFCgSa5.png

[quiet depot]

i'm talking abou tdiscord

[static zealot]

wtf is tdiscord?

[boreal needle]

fsr they havent updated android beta with the new colours

[static zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/RDYlPew.png

[old wyvern]

about discord*

[quiet depot]

is it slightly darker

[old wyvern]

Isnt that the normal color?

[static zealot]

idk

that's why I asked

[quiet depot]

I think it's slightly darker

[static zealot]

xD

yeah

[jovial warren]

it is

[static zealot]

it looks darker to me too

[quiet depot]

also

for people curious

because I was certainly curious

there's the imperfections

[onyx loom]

🙄

logo was still better

[boreal needle]

could they not have just fixed them

[quiet depot]

guess not

[boreal needle]

do we reckon they'll change it all back

[static zealot]

now we'll have better discord t-shirts tho

[quiet depot]

no lucy

[static zealot]

xD

[quiet depot]

and oh shit

I didn't even think about all the old merch

that sucks

[old wyvern]

Discord had merch?

[quiet depot]

well

[boreal needle]

yeah

[old wyvern]

lol

[quiet depot]

idk if merch is the right word because you can't buy it

[old wyvern]

Hypesquad stuff?

[boreal needle]

it was for like employees and stuff

[quiet depot]

nah

discord partners used to get a hoodie

[boreal needle]

i think anyway

[quiet depot]

and some shit

[static zealot]

well see you guys on the other side

going to install kde neon

👋

[boreal needle]

hf

[quiet depot]

and also they host giveaways for discord merch every year

[boreal needle]

enjoy your superior de

[old wyvern]

Ahh

[old wyvern]

ayy

[quiet depot]

they give away loads of shit

like game consoles

and hundreds of plushes

hoodies

etc

[old wyvern]

Do they make enough profit from discord?

[quiet depot]

discord isn't profitable

[old wyvern]

Then why do people invest? 🥲

[quiet depot]

same reason people invest in any company

[boreal needle]

nitro

[quiet depot]

hope that it'll become profitable

I meant it's not profitable right now

doesn't mean it won't be in the future

[old wyvern]

hmm

[static zealot]

hmm did they make it public tho?

[quiet depot]

no

[old wyvern]

Ads on right panel?

[quiet depot]

don't think so blitz

[boreal needle]

plsno ads ;-;

[onyx loom]

Microsoft will make it extremely profitable 🥲

[old wyvern]

Ads on startup??

[old wyvern]

🥲

[quiet depot]

fun fact youtube isn't profitable either

[boreal needle]

if they do that i will move somewhere else

[old wyvern]

really?

[static zealot]

[quiet depot]

yeah

[static zealot]

I don't believe you

[quiet depot]

they don't make any money

[static zealot]

well

I guess

bczz the adds company

makes all the money

whatever that is called

[quiet depot]

and their ads don't even make that much

there's a reason every youtuber relies on third party sponsors despite their videos being littered with ads

[old wyvern]

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-alphabet-earnings-revenue-first-time-reveal-q4-2019

[static zealot]

well revenue != profit

[quiet depot]

conflicting articles

blitz that article says 10B was profit

[old wyvern]

Yea there seems to be articles stating both the sides

[quiet depot]

yeah

this is the article that says it's not profitable https://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-for-youtube-1424897967

it's 2015 though

so maybe it's changed

seeing how many ads youtube has been putting on videos recently

[static zealot]

the great ADPocalypse or whatever it was called

xD

[old wyvern]

lol

[static zealot]

true. the 2 x15 Unskippable adds

😢

that's why I have YT Premium

[quiet depot]

i setup pi hole then I learnt that it doesn't block youtube ads in app

[onyx loom]

yea i dont think yt premium was even a thing in 2015 was it

[old wyvern]

Try spofity, Ive had times wth 3x 30 second ads

like wtf

1.5 mins of ads

[onyx loom]

Spotify premium 😌

[old wyvern]

There might have been more, but I gave up and moved to yt music

[quiet depot]

I don't get the point of spotify when youtube exists

[old wyvern]

Background

[quiet depot]

oh right phone

[old wyvern]

yea

[onyx loom]

also yugi if thats on pc u could use browser version + adblock

[quiet depot]

sorry I don't listen to music on phone

I forget other people do

[old wyvern]

I dont have spotify on my pc

[dawn hinge]

You can just use the vanced version

[old wyvern]

Im always listening to music

[quiet depot]

is that on ios

[dawn hinge]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[quiet depot]

i don't think it is

[old wyvern]

on android kali

[static zealot]

Is it really this bad? I haven't used it in years and back then it used to be 1 add every few songs and that add was just "Try spotify premium"

I actually never got an add that was not " try spotify premium"

but yt premium is cheap at least in romania with the family plan

I pay like 2 USD / mo or something like that

[old wyvern]

Yes its the "try spotify" or "thank you" or "buy premium and listen to songs for free(wtf btw?)" ones

[static zealot]

2*6 is around 12 USD I guess

[quiet depot]

wtf

family plan here costs $23/month

for 5 people max

[onyx loom]

🥲

[old wyvern]

Lemme check what the price is here

[static zealot]

well I mean

[quiet depot]

that might be aud tho

[onyx loom]

currencies be like

still 23 aud is like 15 usd or smth right

[static zealot]

but I Mean we still get 6 members

[static zealot]

make that 18 USD

[quiet depot]

no more like $18 usd I think

[onyx loom]

o

[quiet depot]

yeah usd is doing shit atm I think

[onyx loom]

close enough

[old wyvern]

5$ per month for individual

[static zealot]

in US, 12 USD is for 1 person... and 18 USD for 6 persons in total

[old wyvern]

8$ per month for family

[quiet depot]

wtf

why are the prices so different

[old wyvern]

no idea

[static zealot]

9.67 USD

[quiet depot]

that's youtube music

[static zealot]

is exactly what I Pay monthly

[old wyvern]

No, thats spotify

[static zealot]

and we are 6

[quiet depot]

oh

I thought we were talking about youtube

[static zealot]

so 9.67 USD / 6

we are

[old wyvern]

oh lol

lemme check yt

[static zealot]

according to my calculator 1.61166666667 is what I Pay for YT premium on 1 account

that's USD

xD

[quiet depot]

https://www.youtube.com/premium yugi

[old wyvern]

30qar per month for family yt music piggy

[static zealot]

@quiet depot please add a reaction to this https://discordapp.com/channels/164280494874165248/452279708856614912/844148736010747924

[onyx loom]

bruh its £12/mo for me

[quiet depot]

what about youtube yugi

[static zealot]

that's youtube

yt music

comes with YT Premium

[old wyvern]

35qar/month

[static zealot]

its not separate

oh wait

nvm

then

wtf?

[quiet depot]

i can't blitz

no perms

[old wyvern]

9.61$

[static zealot]

wait don't you have administrator perms?

[static zealot]

yeah same as here I guess

[quiet depot]

that's half what it costs here

for the same plan

[old wyvern]

rip

[static zealot]

well I mean if it was 18 USD here probably no one would have paid lmao

I for one I Would haven ot

[old wyvern]

lol

[quiet depot]

i still don't know if this is aud or usd

[onyx loom]

17 usd yikes

[old wyvern]

maybe aud

wat

wait

[static zealot]

nah

24 AUD

[old wyvern]

oh

[static zealot]

Piggy according to some website I Just checked its 15$/mo in Australia rn

[old wyvern]

yea thats 6.56$

[static zealot]

what?

[old wyvern]

24aud

[quiet depot]

that's individual blitz

[static zealot]

no !?

24 AUD is 18 USD

[static zealot]

oh

[old wyvern]

uh

[quiet depot]

works fine for me yugi

ur shits broke

[static zealot]

pretty sure that's AUD I think

bcz for me its RON

not USD

[old wyvern]

oh wait nvm

[static zealot]

and for Yugi is his currencty

[onyx loom]

yeah its aud

[old wyvern]

it was stuck on some othe rcountry

stupid chrome

[old wyvern]

oh

[onyx loom]

imagine not having ur own currency symbol 🥲

[static zealot]

anyways I should probably start installing KDE Neon lmaooo

[quiet depot]

imagine being british

[static zealot]

what for?

[onyx loom]

rude

[static zealot]

RON Is used in 2 countries

there would be no use for one

and also

its called LEU

which means lion

[old wyvern]

Country of harry potter fans I see 🪄 😂

[static zealot]

so I guess the lion is the simbol for our currency

[quiet depot]

symbol

[static zealot]

didn't read or see harry potter so I won't get this joke but i'll assume its funny

[static zealot]

guess who I Just blocked?

xD

[onyx loom]

smh

[old wyvern]

Its the name of the other dude in his team

Ron weasley

I think

[boreal needle]

isnt he the ginger one

[static zealot]

not u btw PIggy. I won't block you

xD

[quiet depot]

it's also the name of a popular petrol station in gta 5

[static zealot]

well byeee nou

now*

fuck

[old wyvern]

idk what ginger is supposed to mean in this context

[static zealot]

RON stands for ROmanian Leu afaik

[old wyvern]

I've always seen yters say it but never understood it

[quiet depot]

red hair

[static zealot]

so basically our currency is not called RON

its called Leu

[quiet depot]

orange hair

[old wyvern]

oh

[boreal needle]

why is it called red hair

its not red

[quiet depot]

idk

that's why I said orange after

[boreal needle]

who thought that was a good idea

[quiet depot]

because even though we call it red, it is in fact orange

[static zealot]

lmao

[boreal needle]

sometimes its just a slightly more exciting brown

[quiet depot]

although I have seen natural red hair

[lunar cypress]

Why are skin colours called black and white when they're not really black or white

[quiet depot]

not like full on red

[boreal needle]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[quiet depot]

but more like tomato stain red

[old wyvern]

I'd just like to interject for a moment.

[boreal needle]

no

no

stop

[quiet depot]

that's not even applicable in this convo

[old wyvern]

xD

we call it red it is in fact orange

[quiet depot]

smh

where the hell was the comma in that sentence though

what was I thinking

[old wyvern]

lol

[boreal needle]

its like that time you said you didnt exist

[jovial warren]

perception

“So none of this is real?”
“What is real? If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.”

name the film 🙂

[quiet depot]

lucy

nope

i was wrong 😦

[old wyvern]

Matrix?

[jovial warren]

[static zealot]

Sooo. Ran into my first problem. Whrn i select the dev/sda7 as thepartition to install neon on, with mount point being /, it doesn't let me chose the boot partition and it tells me that I need a FAT32 filesystem with the boot flag enabled and mount point being boot/efi

Could I just change the mount point for the windows boot manager?

Or is that not an option?

Bcz if its not I've got no idea what to do

xD

[quiet depot]

do u still need windows?

[static zealot]

Yes

If I chose to install alongside ubuntu tho... It says that it will use the windows boot partition to boot

Now that's confusing

[old wyvern]

Yea, it adds grub to windows boot partition, thats should be the same as what ubuntu did

[static zealot]

But i cant chose it

Can I just change the mount point without breaking windows?

For the boot partition

This is the time i just quit everything or I risk loosing all the shit on windows and just change the mount partition

Which one will it be today? XD

[jovial warren]

the EFI partition is designed to have multiple boot managers/loaders on it at once, that’s why they give you a whole 100MB just for them

unless you don’t have a UEFI board, or your partition table is MBR not GPT

if it’s the latter, there’s a command you can use on Linux to upgrade it to GPT

[old wyvern]

You can create another partition for the boot partition if you really want to do that, but I think thats only possible with manual partitioning which you probably dont want to do