u must be high
#dev-general
onyx loom
jovial warren
you know that TLDs aren't country bound btw right?
onyx loom
you know that TLDs aren't country bound btw right?
unless ur Eritrea and dont give out ur TLD at all
boreal needle
thoughts on .tk?
half harness
free domain
jovial warren
not bad
pale shell
yo anyone seen bm?
boreal needle
nope
pale shell
fucks sake
hot hull
probably drinking his tea
onyx loom
shut it frosty
pale shell
I got a bug i guess i'll pay someone else
pale shell
if anyone can help remove the fucking npc then i'll pay them
it won't delete I think I done something wrong with UUID's but idk
pale shell
no
hot hull
Well I mean where and how are you storing that
pale shell
code wise, frosty?
hot hull
Yes
pale shell
private UUID npcId;
private UUID oldID;
then i set it in the method
oh
um
wait ๐ค
hot hull
That sounds like a yikes
steel heart
thought u coded in kotlin
ocean quartz
Also Odin, how many times are you going to apply for the dev role? lol
ocean quartz
No you should not, wait for Piggy to review it, you already have 3 there, it won't change anything
prisma wave
ooo I wonder if I can join the reviewing team now
pale shell
I do?
Matt, I am sorry for doing that. I forget I do things sometimes. My apologies. I won't go into reasons behind it it's personal.
ocean quartz
it's alright lol
pale shell
things happen when you have part of your brain missing (:
boreal needle
what's that thing called where it mangles your unit tests to make sure they fail?
old wyvern
pitest?
prisma wave
stack test
prisma wave
๐
old wyvern
Also, for some reason coverage is very broken when it comes to try with resources
Always shows a "untested" closing brace line after finally
Oh wait it wasnt even a try with resources
Yea
Just a try catch with a finally
boreal needle
i cannot for the life of me remember what this thing is called
boreal needle
yep thats the one thanks
old wyvern
jovial warren
there is so many things wrong with that
oh btw, is there a way you can take an existing Gson instance and apply all of its registered type adapters to a new instance?
obtuse gale
that = other :)
jovial warren
wat
obtuse gale
why'd you need to "clone" it?
jovial warren
Adventure
I want my own Gson instance, and Adventure only gives you the prebuilt instance
unkempt tangle
steel heart
Gson#newBuilder
steel heart
jovial warren
can Gson serialize UUIDs natively btw?
obtuse gale
yea
jovial warren
like turning a UUID object into its string form
alright
because that's something kotlinx.serialization can't do lol
obtuse gale
jovial warren
or that
jovial warren
so val GSON: Gson = GsonComponentSerializer.gson().populator().apply(GsonBuilder()).create() then?
(will use more things on the builder when I need them ofc)
jovial warren
lol
I'm currently completely removing NamespacedKey and replacing it with Adventure's Key for ease of use
oh btw, thoughts on Guice?
prisma wave
am I wrong
jovial warren
not really
prisma wave
case in point
jovial warren
Guice seems very advanced and does a shit ton of stuff
jovial warren
does Guice = you use the API? ๐
prisma wave
what
half harness
?
jovial warren
waiting for dkim to ask what Guice is
steel heart
does guice use reflection or method handles (or unsafe?) to create new instances @prisma wave
prisma wave
neither
classgen
Or probably reflection if classgen doesn't work for whatever reason
steel heart
ah
prisma wave
but that means it's pretty much as fast as normal DI
steel heart
ok so no real overhead then
hot hull
*waiting for dkim to ask what Guice is*
Monster Mango Juice
half harness
Guice seems very advanced and does a shit ton of stuff
what does Guice do
steel heart
dependency injection framework
jovial warren
BM your turn
prisma wave
DEPENDENCY INJECTION
ocean quartz
what does Guice do
It's for drinking
steel heart
it uses annots to bind instances when creating objects sort of
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prisma wave
Imagine functional dependency injection but classes ๐
jovial warren
Guice reduces the boilerplate
half harness
what
jovial warren
Imagine functional dependency injection but classes ๐
functional DI just doesn't even work I swear
prisma wave
ofc it does
half harness
example of guice usage?
steel heart
public class MessageLogger implements MethodInterceptor {
@Inject
Logger logger;
@Override
public Object invoke(MethodInvocation invocation) throws Throwable {
Object[] objectArray = invocation.getArguments();
for (Object object : objectArray) {
logger.info("Sending message: " + object.toString());
}
return invocation.proceed();
}
}
just googled it
but ye
half harness
what is dat
steel heart
an example usage of guice like u asked
half harness
when does logger get initialized
prisma wave
property injection ๐ฅถ
steel heart
with a module
ocean quartz
Here is some example from 
https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/Framework/blob/master/core/src/main/java/me/piggypiglet/framework/commands/CommandHandlers.java#L43
half harness
@Singleton
steel heart
dont confuse with static singleton
plush willow
anyone wanna make me a plugin
ocean quartz
lunar cypress
Or probably reflection if classgen doesn't work for whatever reason
guice uses reflection for the most part
jovial warren
LinkedTreeMaps don't use reference equality and KeyImpl has a correct equals override that should compare properly so wtf is going on there
lunar cypress
Well one thing is wrong on your side
jovial warren
what
lunar cypress
either hashCode or equals are broken
jovial warren
Key is not mine btw
prisma wave
guice uses reflection for the most part
As far as I know it's entirely classgen as of the latest version, and classgen has been used in some places since 4.something
jovial warren
lunar cypress
wait
jovial warren
wait a minute
will different string instances produce different equals and hash code results?
actually that shouldn't matter in my case
omg what
https://i.imgur.com/D9bpCYp.png Gson you bastard
if I ask for a Key, you're meant to give me a fucking Key, not a string
and there is a registered type adapter for that object as well
why isn't Gson converting that
pale shell
I think the time has come to try and get someone to help re-code this project.
jovial warren
not sure why I'm even using keys here tbh but /shrug
I need it to convert keys in other places though
someone please explain though why tf Gson isn't converting that
pale shell
Where's the best place to get a price for something? (Coding work)
jovial warren
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
surely Gson should know that if I ask for a Map<Key, RegistryEntry> then I want it to turn the strings into Keys
ah maybe I need to use this TypeToken thingy
distant sun
๐
jovial warren
yep, that worked
jovial warren
okay got a bit of a problem here
basically, I want to deserialize JSON into a Map<Key, RegistryEntry>, which works fine at the top-level since I can use a type token, however RegistryEntry contains an inner Map<Key, RegistryIdHolder>, which seems to cause issues
would it be best to just define a custom deserializer?
distant sun
d;gson gsonbuilder#registerTypeAdapter
ruby craterBOT
jovial warren
alright
distant sun
.registerTypeAdapter(new TypeToken<Discount.DiscountType>() {}.getType(), new Discount.DiscountTypeDeserializer())
public static class DiscountTypeDeserializer implements JsonDeserializer<DiscountType> {
@Override
public DiscountType deserialize(JsonElement json, Type typeOfT, JsonDeserializationContext context) throws JsonParseException {
return DiscountType.valueOf(json.getAsString().toUpperCase());
}
}```
This is what I haveah
https://i.imgur.com/a8aRrM4.png not surprised Gson can't deserialize JSON to that properly lol
but guess what library could deserialize that with only a @Serializable annotation
obtuse gale
generics go brrrr
jovial warren
what would even be the best way to deserialize that? lol
just ```kotlin
json as JsonObject
val properties = context.deserialize<Map<String, List<String>>>(json.get("properties"), object : TypeToken<Map<String, List<String>>>() {}.type)
val states = context.deserialize<List<RegistryBlockState>>(json.get("states"), object : TypeToken<List<RegistryBlockState>>() {}.type)
jesus christ wtf is that mess
Gson best JSON library my fucking ass
obtuse gale
idk bout you but I prefer to keep my TypeToken/Type in static final fields
Really helps cleaning things up
jovial warren
ah yeah, might be a good idea
half harness
btw does gson allow you to make a custom serializable/deserializable method
like bukkit
jovial warren
I'm using JsonDeserializer<T> lol
obtuse gale
That's kinda deprecated iirc
Kinda but not really
Or that TypeAdapters are preferred, I don't quite remember
jovial warren
doesn't using TypeAdapter mean I have to write both a serialization and deserialization method though?
gusty glen
let me copy and paste
obtuse gale
doesn't using `TypeAdapter` mean I have to write both a serialization and deseri...
? Wdym?
jovial warren
I need to override both write and read
gusty glen
Example of custom serializer/deserializer: https://paste.helpch.at/apexudadiq.rb
and creating a gson using it KT val gson: Gson = GsonBuilder() .registerTypeAdapter(Location::class.java, BlockLocationAdapter()) .create()
half harness
๐ฎ
gusty glen
when you can just use gson.toJson(yourBlockLocation) and gson.fromJson(yourSerializedBlockLocation, Location::class.java) and it just works
btw you can create literally any adapter for any type/combined types you want, it's specially useful if you want to handle the serialization/deserialization process or store the data in a different way
jovial warren
with Kotlin serialization, it can auto-generate the serializers at compile time for you
and you can just use Json.encodeToString
gusty glen
yeah, but that requires that you own all the implemented code, which in your case (Krypton) you own, but when working with other's implementations you have to make your own custom Adapters to handle the cases
jovial warren
true
and one thing I don't miss is custom serializers ๐ฅฒ
they actually suck ass
gusty glen
well, bukkit location serializer actually serialize the world by name, lol
I hate that so much
jovial warren
right, finally fucking fixed my palette lol
240 files changed, 2542 insertions(+), 2590 deletions(-) ๐ฅฒ
I've done like 3 things in this
- moved API package to
org.kryptonmc.apiinstead oforg.kryptonmc.krypton.api - switched to Configurate
- switched to Gson
https://i.imgur.com/O69EKGP.png lol I restart this server a lot
jovial warren
I may or may not be writing this entirely from my Windows partition
like MineKraft is the folder that Krypton is in
boreal needle
do you need help
jovial warren
it used to be called MineKraft lol
jovial warren
do you need help
I cbfa to move it in case I want to go back to Windows
boreal needle
why would you want to do that
gusty glen
thanks
jovial warren
we've had that in there since it was called MineKraft lol
jovial warren
kinda tempted soon to stabilise the API and release 1.0
onyx loom
โน๏ธ
half harness
;-;
onyx loom
๐
prisma wave
stack masterrace
(context: stack is the de-factor haskell build tool and haskell is a good language! :D)
onyx loom
source: trust me bro
@static zealot just merged ur PR from 10 days ago, lol
cant think of a better way to do it myself
lunar cypress
(context: stack is the de-factor haskell build tool and haskell is a good langua...
The Zoom Chat in my live lectures is about as bad as #dev-general now
today in software engineering it was exactly this
onyx loom
๐ฅฒ
prisma wave
let me guess they think "java is good" ๐
lunar cypress
no
most people who write in the chat during lectures are annoying know-it-alls
unironic "i use arch btw" on crack
prisma wave
yikes
lunar cypress
today one was bashing c# for not being cross platform
"unlike C"
that was really funny to me
lunar cypress
I hate that Zoom doesn't let you turn off chat
you just want to watch the lecture but at the bottom the next message about how bad windows is pops up
gusty glen
http://wiki.bristermitten.me/the-secret-mojang-doesnt-want-you-to-know
why do I still get baited by this website
obtuse gale
๐ฅด
jovial warren
Caused by: java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: org/kryptonmc/api/AbilitiesTests has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 60.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 55.0 anyone know how to fix one of these for tests?
obtuse gale
Like once and for all? I don't think so
jovial warren
tried gradle clean test but that did nothing
lunar cypress
What's JAVA_HOME set to
onyx loom
yea u can trust the specific domain, but it becomes annoying when uve gotta do it for every new link u visit
jovial warren
ah that'll likely be it, lemme check
ah actually that would make sense
I set my Gradle JVM manually to 11 because I had something that needed 11 because that was it's only variant's version
time to set that back to project SDK
I forgot since I've only just bumped the minimum Java version in Krypton to 16
man, archlinux-java is so useful
prisma wave
it's no sdkman
jovial warren
man, someone teach me how to do integration testing properly lol
prisma wave
what would be the ideal way of setting mysql credentials for a docker image? environment variables?
obtuse gale
doing it properly sounds like a good idea
prisma wave
you are all useless
ocean quartz
Sir this is #dev-general
jovial warren
NOT configuration help
jovial warren
what would be the ideal way of setting mysql credentials for a docker image? env...
maybe you should read the page for the container
it tells you that you should use environment variables
or at least, the MariaDB one does
prisma wave
that's not really what i mean
i mean if i have a docker image that needs to connect to a database
no matter where that database is hosted
jovial warren
environment variables
prisma wave
i guess environment variables are the only option yeah
shame
this command is gonna get long
docker run --name devdenbot --env SENTRY_DSN=${{ secrets.SENTRY_DSN }} --env DDB_TOKEN=${{ secrets.DDB_TOKEN }} --mount source=devden,target=/var/data -d --restart unless-stopped ghcr.io/thedeveloperden/devdenbot it's already long, 5+ more variables are gonna be pain ๐ฉ
jovial warren
cough docker compose cough
prisma wave
cant use compose i dont think, i am pulling from a registry
all i get is the image
and i want to keep this simple, cba to clone and then docker-compose up or whatever
jovial warren
fair
lunar cypress
you can use compose if you're pulling from a registry
you can just set image: whatever/lol
doesn't have to build anything local
prisma wave
what I mean is, my current CI process just consists of:
- on github, build with gradle, make docker image, push to registry
- on vps, pull from registry, run image
how can i integrate compose into that?
oh wait
yeah
i see
jovial warren
AbstractIntOrStringEnumSerializer not sure if this is shameful or not lol
jovial warren
gonna use it to abstract away the common logic between the gamemode and difficulty serializers
since a gamemode/difficulty can either be represented by its (case-insensitive) name or its ordinal
prisma wave
polymorphism?
jovial warren
wdym?
steel heart
monomorphism
prisma wave
that class should probably have 2 subclasses, for Int/String respectively
jovial warren
nah I cbfa to do that lol
steel heart
that class should probably have 2 subclasses, for Int/String respectively
yeah isnt OO about messaging (polymorphism) rather than inheritance idk saw some dud talking about it
lunar cypress
Bimorphism ๐
prisma wave
yeah isnt OO about messaging (polymorphism) rather than inheritance idk saw some...
OO is about as many layers of abstraction as possible and getters
steel heart
I donโt know if youโre trolling like usual
jovial warren
the latter is definitely trolling
prisma wave
Object orientation is all about writing as many getters and setters as possible
jovial warren
as many layers of abstraction as possible isn't that far fetched though for OOP lol
lunar cypress
The more getters and setters, the object oriented-er it gets
steel heart
hilarious
lunar cypress
funniest shit I've ever seen
jovial warren
if (json !is JsonPrimitive) throw JsonParseException("Cannot deserialize this as it isn't a string or integer!")
if (json.isNumber) return fromInt(json.asInt) ?: throw JsonParseException("Cannot parse ${json.asInt}!")
if (json.isString) {
val string = json.asString
if (string.toIntOrNull() != null) return fromInt(string.toInt()) ?: throw JsonParseException("Cannot parse $string!")
return fromString(json.asString.uppercase())
}
throw JsonParseException("Unable to parse $json!")
```jesus christ that's lenientdefinitely some r/programmingcirclejerk going on here
jovial warren
seems legit
obtuse gale
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
jovial warren
apparently not
onyx loom
have u tried being a player
steel heart
This means that youโre probably a console
onyx loom
๐ ๐ ๐
obtuse gale
have u tried being a player
nah bro you're such a player ;)
jovial warren
someone teach me integration testing pls
boreal needle
no
you're advanced enough for that ๐
obtuse gale
ughghghghghg u cant send photos
jovial warren
boreal needle
consoles dont have pronouns
prisma wave
consoles have transcended the human body
boreal needle
steel heart
consoles dont have pronouns
they have connouns
obtuse gale
"The Console"
prisma wave
consoles dont have pronouns
it
distant sun
yup, exactly what I wanted lol
obtuse gale
that's snakeyaml for ya
steel heart
slightly verbose
obtuse gale
that's snakeyaml for ya
distant sun
property displayName (Kotlin reflection is not available) -.-
obtuse gale
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
distant sun
this came out of nowhere
prisma wave
kotlin bad
steel heart
even I disagree on that
distant sun
makes no sense ๐ต
steel heart
and I am like a pro java user
cinder flare
and I am like a pro java user
hey why'd you change your name 
steel heart
I feel like lisp is somewhat ancient
do u know the concept of async and sync first and foremost?
okay so first you must understand async can in theory never happen when we only have 1 process/thread
then we're practically doing it synced
for instance a single queue
only one customer can be handled atm
Let that single queue represent thread A. Now if we want to introduce asynchronous then we might have another queue which will represent thread B. Now when we have 2 queues you can say that we can handle 2 customers at the same time right?
So now if we want to introduce the term asynchronous properly we could say that thread B is working asynchronously with respect to thread A as it never has to depend or care what happens in thread A. We could go ahead and say the very same for thread A (thread A is working asynchronously with respect to thread B).
cinder flare
I feel like lisp is somewhat ancient
but it had my name in it ๐ฆ
though Concool is pretty cool
awe yeah
cinder flare
also p sure you can have async on one thread
steel heart
like javascript
cinder flare
it just won't be blocking that thread while waiting
lunar cypress
that would be the difference between concurrency and parallelism
steel heart
parallelism is over cpus right where two tasks can happen at the very same time and concurrency is when the two tasks happen seemingly at the same time but in reality the thread first works on the first task then work some on the second task and so on. Or no?
Anyways in queue A customer Bob ordered a very big package of food. Now let's say we only have our single queue A. In that case all the customers after queue A would have to wait for the customer Bob to get his food served. If we instead had the queue B, we could redirect customers to queue B while queue A is waiting for the finishing order. @dense dew Idk might not be the best example but yeah anyone feel free to give criticism.
cinder flare
parallelism is over cpus right where two tasks can happen at the very same time ...
yeah that's essentially my understanding, parallelism is two things being worked on in parallel at the exact same time, and concurrency is when it swaps really fast back and forth between doing two things or more so it seems that they're done concurrently
lunar cypress
I would enhance the understanding of concurrency as code where you don't have a linear flow of time or where things generally seem like they're happening at the same time, whether that is due to scheduling or not
for example async/await doesn't have to be parallel
and often isn't
storm orchid
Hi everyone. I don't know where to ask, so I'll write here.
Question to the people who have a server on Paper 1.16.5... Has anyone encountered the problem of deleting vanilla teams (/team add <name>)? I create a new team and after restarting the server, it disappears (it's not about plugins, I removed everything and the problem did not disappear)! I have this problem on all my servers... ๐ฆ
cinder flare
Hi everyone. I don't know where to ask, so I'll write here.
Question to the peop...
That sounds like your server can't save the world file. Are you shutting down the server gracefully?
storm orchid
Sorry, I didn't quite understand your question (I'm not a native English speaker). Did you mean, is it normal to disable/reboot my server?
By the way, there are no problems with the scorebord. When creating a scorebord and restarting the server, everything is saved. This means that there are no problems with saving the world's data.
steel heart
Lul
prisma wave
Oh no
pale shell
@prisma wave i burnt privatemines. I am loosing hope :(
sweet cipher
Doesnโt seem like a genius to me.
Also how do you have 76 pings and not go crazy?
steel heart
<@266973575225933824> i burnt privatemines. I am loosing hope :(
I can help
Oh fish
Idk
Never payed attention to it
pale shell
I can help
Can ya 
steel heart
If itโs java sure
pale shell
Yeah it's java
steel heart
What u need help with
ocean quartz
@obtuse gale processResources
obtuse gale
oh yeah shoulda mentioned the folder I want to zip is outside of the resources folder, I supposed the task is suitable still?
pale shell
Well, it has the fun game of how many npes can it throw all the time :/ i think it happens when upgrading the mine only (I think) I'm loosing hope with it so it could come from elsewhere also.
ocean quartz
oh yeah shoulda mentioned the folder I want to zip is outside of the resources f...
I think so
winter iron
Yo, this might be a big ask but if anyone who is able to can test my plugin I would greatly appreciate it. I believe in some countries/locations, it is unable to access my server to retrieve the resource pack. If you install the plugin with directions on the page and dm whether u get an error about โinvalid pack idโ and your general location, country (city if possible) that would be a massive help
feral kiln
steel heart
Well, it has the fun game of how many npes can it throw all the time :/ i think ...
I can take a look tmrw
pale shell
Alright thanks
ocean quartz
Json
So, this is stupid
call.receive<PushWebhook>() // error: Unexpected JSON token at offset 0: Expected '[, kind: LIST'
val json = call.receive<String>()
decodeFromString<PushWebhook>(json) // no error, correct mapped
forest pecan
alright, im kinda shitty at making regexes but someone has to help me out here: Suppose i got this url: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWXRqgorJj26U?si=d8c8418491ee4416
I want to extract the 37i9dQZF1DWXRqgorJj26U part right after playlist/. Does anyone know the proper regex for this?
obtuse gale
No
forest pecan
๐ฅฒ
winter iron
I would just be weird and split by โ/โ then take the last section and split by โ?โ And take the first section lmao
forest pecan
no no no i dont wanna use split
i wanna use a regex (Pattern) + Matcher for this
cause obviously it matches a specific pattern always
obtuse gale
I mean just group what's between playlist/ and ??
ocean quartz
alright, im kinda shitty at making regexes but someone has to help me out here: ...
Can't you make it a URL and get the parameters? Should return that
obtuse gale
how the hell do I get the resources folder as a File
in gradle
all I can find returns the children files in some way or another
sweet cipher
all I can find returns the children files in some way or another
Isn't there a File#getParentFile() or something?
obtuse gale
yes that exists but the resources folder will be empty to begin with
so I can't get a file and then get the parent file
sweet cipher
Oh
obtuse gale
I mean sure I can do src/main/resources but that's hardcoded and yucky
sweet cipher
new File(getClass().getResource("/something/resources").getFile())maybe?
I used this for JavaFX
obtuse gale
yoooooooooo it worked
pale shell
yoooooooooo it worked
Why?
pale shell
Why did it work
obtuse gale
trying to zip files from some folder in the gradle script and put the zip in the resources folder
why? because I did it properly I presume :^)
pale shell
why? because I did it properly I presume :^)
Something I can't do 
eternal compass
Anyone here experienced with github actions?
pale shell
Anyone here experienced with github actions?
What
eternal compass
I've got mine almost entirely working, except it uploads the file zipped instead of by itself
gusty glen
Anyone here experienced with github actions?
๐ฅถ
eternal compass
Whats bad about them? ._.
gusty glen
the face was not for actions, it was for me
pale shell
eternal compass
As opposed to zipping them, or manually using its name
pale shell
I might actually give up soon
eternal compass
On?
pale shell
Where do i start
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eternal compass
;p
obtuse gale
Requested by: Fredthedoggy
kek
pale shell
I gotta somehow fix pmines because it's an essential part of my upcoming project, I gotta code a enchant system somehow, I gotta write a ranks system etc fucks sake why do i still play this game
eternal compass
> Requested by: Fredthedoggy
kek
It was a joke lol
I just realised if I get 250 more members in my discord server, I can apply for discord open source, since one of the main projects in it is os :p
Then I get my pfp on discord's website
pale shell
No
pale shell
hi piggy
quiet depot
discord open source is not easy to get
we applied for open source on may 2019
we got accepted in september 2020
pale shell
Damn
quiet depot
and we had a lot more than 1000 members in 2019
eternal compass
Well thats because they're slow to read them
eternal compass
Yup
pale shell
Well thats because they're slow to read them
I can name somewhere else what does this : 
Wait.... Did that break for anyone else?
eternal compass
You typed a colon
eternal compass
no the problem is they don't read them
I'm actually mad, as 3 days after i applied they reviewed mine, but i used the wrong link, so they said add a new one. And now it's been months
(This is for bentobox)
quiet depot
even once they accept you it takes a while to actually get the perks
iirc we had to email them a couple times before we could get them
pale shell
Ok ty
eternal compass
Well I really want to apply for partnership on my server, but apparently they just don't feel like telling me the server's stats.
Its like 7 weeks old, and all the data just says "nothing to show"
quiet depot
partnership lol
eternal compass
Idk, it seems cool
pale shell
I gotta retractor pmines mine but its a pain to sort out because there's 1 small bug and it is argh
eternal compass
Ah
quiet depot
less of a pain now
quiet depot
proprietary info
pale shell
eternal compass
Barry's executive and piggy had a meeting
They discussed it, and barry's executive gave barry messages to send
Then updated it in barry's file folders
quiet depot
yeah probably the worst bunch we've had so far
eternal compass
Wait a second-
quiet depot
gonna ban them all once their trial is over
pale shell
Yeah, that bm guy does nothing
half harness
i have PROOF that bm ABUSES perms
eternal compass
That fred guy is promising though
pale shell
Keeps trying to make people use shit languages 
eternal compass
Nah BM abuses perms :p
He did the paste thing
half harness
definitely gonna ban them
yes
quiet depot
dkim they have like barely any more perms than u guys
half harness
dkim they have like barely any more perms than u guys
they bypass barry
compact perchBOT
quiet depot
only like 2 things
half harness
only like 2 things
spam, mass mention, caps, etc
eternal compass
Only for the past 2-3 days
half harness
what is <@&565817345143078912>
pale shell
Piggy why do the channels in the other discord get closed?
quiet depot
what
eternal compass
what is <@&565817345143078912>
Ping me in #general-plugins
pale shell
I wanna look at my history of being denied 
pale shell
Probably 5 times?
pale shell
Yeah must've been 6 then
eternal compass
Piggy have you used GH-actions?
quiet depot
no
pale shell
Piggy, you wanna swap bm with a better British person? ;)
quiet depot
no
pale shell
Wtf rudd
quiet depot
never had an issue with jenkins
pale shell
I'm better than bm
quiet depot
don't see a need to switch
pale shell
I actually fix code
pale shell
I don't convince everyone to use bad languages
pale shell
Exactly
Demote him and swap him out for someone better (me)
Who spends the most time on HC?? Me or bm?? (obviously me)
pale shell
Bm is cool though <:finger_guns:786240787183566848> <:finger_guns:78624078718356...
I do work tho
๐ฅฒ
half harness
Demote him and swap him out for someone better (me)
no, me
eternal compass
Cool >> Work
half harness
yes
pale shell
Piggy, does @prisma wave boost? No! Do I? Yes!
eternal compass
Well you also need to pass the physical test to be considered.
Stength
Agility
ocean quartz
I don't convince everyone to use bad languages
Every language is "bad" if you don't know it, i mean more than half people here hated Kotlin before trying
half harness
haskell bad
eternal compass
Python bad
half harness
python bad
obtuse gale
javascript bad
half harness
i tried both haskell and python
eternal compass
javascript bad
No, js is good ๐ฅฒ
pale shell
Python good
eternal compass
Wrong
eternal compass
@obtuse gale have you used gh actions? :p
obtuse gale
non
eternal compass
Noones used it :(
cinder flare
javascript bad
JS is a lot less bad than PHP let me tell you
quiet depot
python is an abomination
obtuse gale
oh yes
cinder flare
python is an abomination
did you see the thing where one of the lead python bois was like "we want to make python twice as fast!" and the top comment was "that's still like 50x slower than JS"
quiet depot
idec about the speed
gusty glen
wait, does python have high order functions?
quiet depot
just bad language
cinder flare
just bad language
truth
cinder flare
i mean, it's really easy for writing shitty little scripts
certainly a lot nicer and easier to get into than like bash or powershell
cinder flare
it has a terseness problem like Haskell
quiet depot
that word just confuses me everytime I see it
cinder flare
it condenses a lot of information into a small amount of symbols
for the untrained novice, it is very hard to decipher what a long bash script will do
cinder flare
well what VM are you using to run it
quiet depot
kvm
cinder flare
also you are running two operating systems now
so that might do it
oh dang KVM kinda cool
obtuse gale
kotlin virtual machine ๐
quiet depot
when I first set this up I installed vmware
and then I had an epiphany
I'm not on windows anymore
what the fuck am I doing installing vmware
kvm here i come
cinder flare
haha
a lot of places use VMWare hypervisors so I'm used to em
but FOSS is always great
quiet depot
there's probably a reason all these vps providers use kvm
quiet depot
I disagree
gusty glen
cinder flare
im sure vmware hypervisor is just as good if not better than kvm
quiet depot
I'd say the primary factor is because it's the best tool for the job
hosts have no issue with shelling out money for software if it's better than the foss alternatives
e.g. cpanel & whmcs
cinder flare
i mean it's probably quite good in its own right
but being free certainly helps keep the cost down
and there must be a reason why so many places use VMWare
quiet depot
windows
cinder flare
VMWare hypervisor does every OS
quiet depot
yes but kvm doesn't
gusty glen
that in kotlin ```kt
val numbers = listOf(...)
val squared = numbers.map { it * it } ```
kotlin still got better syntax imo
cinder flare
if only we had collection literals ๐ฅฒ
and tuples
man kotlin could be so much better
gusty glen
and tuples
Triple?
cinder flare
tuple...
gusty glen
if only we had collection literals ๐ฅฒ
what is a collection literal?
cinder flare
instead of listOf(5, 5, 5) it could just be {5, 5, 5}
ocean quartz
that in kotlin ```kt
val numbers = listOf(...)
val squared = numbers.map { it *...
You forgot .map
cinder flare
a tuple is any data type that can hold multiple different types of data (I think)
cinder flare
it's primarily in python, which is one of the only good things python brought this world
gusty glen
instead of `listOf(5, 5, 5)` it could just be `{5, 5, 5}`
Dart does have that
cinder flare
okay
quiet depot
who the fuck uses dart
cinder flare
^
gusty glen
idk but Dart have mixins and tuples
cinder flare
what a strange pairing
gusty glen
kotlin could steal those
cinder flare
not knowing what collection literals and tuples are -> but also knowing Dart
gusty glen
not knowing what collection literals and tuples are -> but also knowing Dart
I watched a video about Mixins to know them better and ended up in a Dart tutorial ๐ฅฒ
cinder flare
ah haha
quiet depot
@obtuse gale do u know if they were planning on adding "vararg generics" to java?
ik c++ has something like it
you were talking about it a while ago
obtuse gale
yeah and it's pog
quiet depot
what are they actually called
obtuse gale
variadic templates
cinder flare
oh like a function can take a tuple or something?
quiet depot
right
cinder flare
an n-tuple*
obtuse gale
yeah it lets you have that
cinder flare
now that's cool
man remember how we're gonna get to use Java 16 stuff soon
im still really hyped
obtuse gale
so like std::tuple<int, std::string, long, whatever> tuple = { 1, "asd", 123, ... }
gusty glen
im still really hyped
wdym
obtuse gale
in theory you wouldn't even need the <...>
cinder flare
bye bye dcevm
small price to pay for modernization
quiet depot
HUGE PRICE
quiet depot
literally bigger than ur mum
cinder flare
i've never even heard of it until now, can't be that bad
cinder flare
we are not going to use java 16 stuff soon, will we?
do you live under a rock lmao
obtuse gale
<@456226577798135808> do u know if they were planning on adding "vararg generics...
I wish it was added to java though, that's like next level awesome and alongside valhalla it would destroy the need for things like BiConsumer, BiFunction, etc, just a single Function<R, T...> or something
gusty glen
do you live under a rock lmao
not me, but 60% of the world do
gusty glen
With 1.17, Minecraft will require a minimum of Java 16
hahahahaha yeeeeees the normies will have to update
cinder flare
not me, but 60% of the world do
what does that mean lmao
and yeah it's real nice
goes a small step of the way towards fixing Java's biggest problem imo
gusty glen
what does that mean lmao
quiet depot
javascript
gusty glen
Java 8 -> 60% ๐คข
ocean quartz
More worried about 7% on Java 7 or older
gusty glen
let them burn, Matt, let them burn
quiet depot
@cinder flare this is what dcevm allows me to do
obtuse gale
so like `std::tuple<int, std::string, long, whatever> tuple = { 1, "asd", 123, ....
indeed I can write just std::tuple tuple = { 123, "ass", 456.0, std::pair{ 0, 1 } };, that would be a tuple of an int, a string, a double and a pair of two int
that type inference is pog
cinder flare
<@!186255788212355073> this is what dcevm allows me to do
isn't that hotspot
ocean quartz
Huh, Go, Rust, Kotlin all going down a bit in this quarter of the year, last year they were all going up
(most popular languages according to github)
obtuse gale
"Huh"? What's that language? Never heard it before ๐คก
ocean quartz
Lmao
quiet depot
isn't that hotspot
hotspot is a jvm
ocean quartz
2020 for comparison
cinder flare
it makes me cry that Python went up 3%
cinder flare
hotspot is a jvm
but i thought you wrote a whole guide on that or whatever
ocean quartz
@prisma wave ๐
gusty glen
Java: 11.6%, Kotlin: 0.6% ๐ฅฒ
cinder flare
it only gets updated for lts
oh so in like a few months when java 17 comes out we'll be set?
hot hull
Matt go sleep
ocean quartz
๐ฉ
obtuse gale
ah yes
old wyvern
Haskell ๐ฅฒ
Haskell shall grow!!
old wyvern
PHP's amazing journey to die out
PHP needs to be extinct
ocean quartz
Yas!
And ikr, thing is still in the top 10 somehow
ocean quartz
Was 13 at the end of last year
old wyvern
๐ฌ
ocean quartz
Though it's still in the beginning
ocean quartz
The pull request is basically just JS lol
ocean quartz
That'd be awesome
old wyvern
๐
ocean quartz
Yas it's awesome
obtuse gale
oh now that you mention that i remember visual studio having something similar
"snippets" or something
lost forge
Yeah, you can play with the theme for VS
quiet depot
does vs excel in anything jetbrains doesn't
obtuse gale
well i haven't used vs in a good number of years so i couldn't really tell
all i remember is that setting up a cpp project, with external libraries, linking and a shit load of other options was unbelievably easy
old wyvern
does vs excel in anything jetbrains doesn't
Not much I think, i prefer jb ides over vs
quiet depot
ms should just abandon vs
old wyvern
lol
old wyvern
visual studios suppourts more stuff than jb does I think
lost forge
vs is still widely used by a huge range of people. Even Udemy programming courses use Vs. Well the ones I have seen do
old wyvern
obtuse gale
yeah it's the free ide of choice for many languages still
quiet depot
? yugi
old wyvern
I didnt know jb supported vb
Seems rider has suppourt for it
for unity, rider's debugger is far superior to vs
old wyvern
Yea ik, vb seemed obscure
old wyvern
Do many people even use it anymore?
old wyvern
For actual work or just playing around?
quiet depot
both i think
old wyvern
weird, I thought it was dead
ocean quartz
Yeah after rider was released there is no more reason for vs for me
I remember a few years ago I tried using IJ with Unity and it was horrible and i hated vs
quiet depot
i don't understand how u like game dev yugi
old wyvern
Yea vs debugger doesnt have a proper "evaluator", you'll have to hack around the watcher to get similar results
old wyvern
i don't understand how u like game dev yugi
?
lost forge
game dev is kinda fun
ocean quartz
Yeah i agree i like it quite a lot
old wyvern
Huh?
quiet depot
I always found it mind numbingly boring
ocean quartz
I guess it's because ever since i was like 12 i wanted to make games
obtuse gale
oh lmao
lost forge
Same lol
obtuse gale
Yeah i agree i like it quite a lot
I thought you were talking about jumping off a cliff xDD
old wyvern
I mean, everyone need not like the same things as others, I got into programming initially because of games and am still interested
quiet depot
I know
ocean quartz
I thought you were talking about jumping off a cliff xDD
Tbh that too
quiet depot
I just don't get the appeal with game dev
old wyvern
I really enjoy game design
quiet depot
and I got into programming because of games too
old wyvern
I just don't get the appeal with game dev
What part do you think as bad?
lost forge
For me, I just don't like the designing aspect, cos I cant design anything to look half decent at all xD
quiet depot
especially around the math
although ig these game engines handle most of that for you
ocean quartz
I just don't get the appeal with game dev
For me it's about having a vision of a world or something like that and making it a reality, it's like making a dream something playable
Every small step you achieve is just awesome
old wyvern
especially around the math
Ah, I like doing most of that
quiet depot
omega I think he meant more like story
old wyvern
^
Story, player engagement... ect
Didnt know there was such a separate section till our course an year ago, but its really fun
altho we only had like 3 classes for it in a whole month
obtuse gale
although ig these game engines handle most of that for you
I'm the one that would try to make an engine instead of making a game ๐
old wyvern
Id love both
ocean quartz
I'm the one that would try to make an engine instead of making a game ๐
There is a yt i watch that is making an engine in c++ it actually seems quite fun
old wyvern
Yea from cherno
ocean quartz
Yas!
quiet depot
i don't really watch programming youtubers
old wyvern
Hes actually pretty nice
obtuse gale
yeah the dude explains pretty well actually
ocean quartz
If you want to watch one Piggy, I'd really recommend Sebastian Lague
quiet depot
no I don't watch them by choice
ocean quartz
quiet depot
coding is my main hobby
I do it all the time
well I used to
and I will eventually again when school is over
at the end of the day I don't want to go onto youtube, and watch more coding
I just wanna watch some stupid science shit
or explosions
or guns
old wyvern
You dont watch coding, you learn concepts from most
obtuse gale
I just wanna watch some stupid science shit
quiet depot
isn't that the one with the robot voiceover
ocean quartz
Nile Red for the explosions
obtuse gale
yeah lol
old wyvern
Have you watched veretasium piggy/
old wyvern
Youtube ruined his potash video ๐
quiet depot
the only programmer I watch is tom scott, but I don't even consider him a programmer seeing as the only language I've ever heard him mention is javascript
old wyvern
What about ben awad?
quiet depot
never heard of them
old wyvern
๐
ocean quartz
Ben awad is a meme, i love it
old wyvern
๐
dogehouse got stormed by literally every company
Discord started stages from his idea
twitch is starting audio rooms too I think
obtuse gale
ocean quartz
I used to watch Brackeys but he stopped
old wyvern
Yea
ocean quartz
Oh boy louis rossman
Speaking of which i need to donate to the right to repair thingy
obtuse gale
pog
obtuse gale
because i'm por
quiet depot
what's the money actually being used for
obtuse gale
hookers
ocean quartz
Here it explains https://www.gofundme.com/f/lets-get-right-to-repair-passed?utm_campaign=p_cp_url&utm_medium=os&utm_source=customer
obtuse gale
btw I'm sure some of you know this channel already but it's pretty awesome too https://www.youtube.com/c/NewMind
quiet depot
because I'm struggling to see how what I assume is a petition, needs donations
ocean quartz
My audience has asked why we do not do a direct ballot initiative; it worked for the car people, right? It did - but it also cost them about 25 million dollars. This is a bit out of budget. The reason we have not done a ballot initiative is because they are very expensive!
Something American probably
quiet depot
right so
you want to donate for a country to introduce a law
but you're not even in that country
ocean quartz
Good changes in the US tend to be fastly implemented in the EU
old wyvern
ocean quartz
For example the EU is requiring Apple to use USBC, which will likely mean they'll do it in the US and Australia, etc, as well
So even if it's not direct it still has a big effect
old wyvern
This, is ben awad ๐
quiet depot
awad
add an m infront
replace the first a with an o
replace the w with an n
and you have monad
coincidence
i think not
ocean quartz
They wouldn't need Piggy, for example if they need to do usbc in the EU likely the entire model will be usbc, it'd be worse for them to do the lighting port for other countries, so they'd adopt it everywhere
quiet depot
charger thing is stupid
where they don't include a charger in the box
completely irrelevant to the convo, I just remembered it
we'll see matt
ocean quartz
Yup "for the environment" but yet costs just as much as the one with a charger
old wyvern
Why?
quiet depot
same reason weed is illegal
quiet depot
because the government is silly at times
old wyvern
lol
quiet depot
I don't think either nuclear power or weed is toxic
ocean quartz
Probably because of money from coal companies, etc
old wyvern
On damage nuclear power can lead to a toxic environment
quiet depot
well sure