dev-general

[gusty glen]

what is codacy?

[half harness]

all 4 were these though

so i just ignored it

[half harness]

a site to help you improve ur code

[gusty glen]

free?

[half harness]

yes

[gusty glen]

doesn't looks very free to me

oh nvm

nice, my account is free but apparently github wants some munny

[half harness]

wat

[half harness]

https://i.imgur.com/PSG0Qv9.png

uh

wat

[ocean quartz]

"Upgrade"

[gusty glen]

never

[half harness]

gtg byee

[gusty glen]

help github is trying to get my credit card

[ocean quartz]

Lol what

[gusty glen]

the only way of getting rid of this warning is "updating my payment method" aka inserting a credit card number

[ocean quartz]

I've never put my credit card on GH

@cinder flare How is your language coming along?

[cinder flare]

meh

[ocean quartz]

Sad

[cinder flare]

just like my life 🥲

[eternal flare]

Hi
I created placeholder expansion for some plugin and I'm getting error on loading...

i will send in a minute...

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/292887ad84e5435aa093b383e3aed437

[cinder flare]

What version of java is the server running?

And what version of java did you use to compile it

[eternal flare]

1.16

[cinder flare]

uh

Java

[old wyvern]

compiled with java 16
ran on Java 8
from that stacktrace

use java 8 as target while compiling

[cinder flare]

yeah so you need to compile targeting an older version

[eternal flare]

Now I installed 1.8 jdk but I'm getting error on mvn clean install xd

[cinder flare]

or upgrade the java version the server is using

[old wyvern]

Does spigot run properly on 16?

[cinder flare]

Not that I know of

[old wyvern]

lol

[cinder flare]

Plus it breaks any plugin that relies on reflection

[old wyvern]

mhm

I mean actually

those shouldnt break, I dont think bukkit has a defined module

or nms

[prisma wave]

spigot bad

Hrypton will not have this problem

[old wyvern]

😌

[cinder flare]

I think anything not using Java will not have that problem lol

[old wyvern]

Java bad, Haskell good

[prisma wave]

I'd like to see java make a fully functioning Minecraft server implementation!

[cinder flare]

pfft, as if

maybe when hell freezes over

[prisma wave]

Maybe

But I doubt it

[cinder flare]

WOAH

https://i.imgur.com/8bxab9B.png

Haskell just got name dropped in this talk I'm watching

[prisma wave]

OMG

[jovial warren]

Been thinking a bit recently about just making an all out joke fork of one of the existing Bukkit forks just to see how much I can change the game without breaking it lol

Just for a bit of fun

[jovial warren]

How

[cinder flare]

how what

[jovial warren]

Why are they teaching you about features of a trash language

[cinder flare]

It's not actually about haskell, it's about category theory

and also fuck off

[jovial warren]

Lol

Are you another one that's been converted to the dark side?

[cinder flare]

I mean I don't think I'd actually consider making anything out of Haskell

but it is very good at expressing mathematical concepts and stuff, which is very useful to me

most of these examples of Type Theory are shown in haskell

[prisma wave]

yes

Unironically now a lot of more advanced type theory and category theory concepts can be expressed in haskell

The java type system is very simple in comparison

[cinder flare]

java big weak

[prisma wave]

Java bad Haskell good 😌 😌

[prisma wave]

John Lennon knows

Clearly a very educated individual

Apart from that

[quiet depot]

that?

I know the name john lennon

but i've got no idea what he's known for

[jovial warren]

wasn’t it like the beetles or something?

[quiet depot]

ah he was in the beatles

[prisma wave]

yes

Wasn't he the one that beat his wife

[ocean quartz]

His wife was the crazy one

[jovial warren]

lol

[prisma wave]

huh

Well

Nevertheless

Good quote

[onyx loom]

hhsskel

[prisma wave]

hhskkel

good

[jovial warren]

BM don’t ever compare yourself to Jesus ever again

[prisma wave]

I wasnt

But I'm sure jesus would use hhsskel if he were alive today 🥰

[jovial warren]

Haskell being good is a matter of opinion anyway

that’s the only fact of the matter

[prisma wave]

However it is objectively a more powerful language than java

In terms of type system and things at least

[distant sun]

Meh

[jovial warren]

comparing Haskell to Java is like comparing apples to oranges

they are nothing like each other

[prisma wave]

Well

You can make minecraft servers in both

[jovial warren]

there is no FP in Java and no OOP in Haskell

[prisma wave]

Streams

Optionals

[jovial warren]

which no one uses may I add

[prisma wave]

❓

[jovial warren]

streams and optionals are very underused

[prisma wave]

source?

[onyx loom]

❓

[jovial warren]

mainly because it’s Java and everyone prefers the imperative way

[prisma wave]

source?

I am not sure that's true

[jovial warren]

source against?

[prisma wave]

wat

I am pretty sure everyone here with a good understanding of java will say they prefer streams to for loops

optionals are a bit more niche but they're still useful

[jovial warren]

[prisma wave]

Okay let's find out

Streams
For loops

[onyx loom]

2-1 streams win

[prisma wave]

Excluding the situations where you have to use loops because performance is critical

Ez

[jovial warren]

exactly BM

[prisma wave]

what

[jovial warren]

you find me one Java project that properly uses streams and optionals a lot

one popular Java project*

[onyx loom]

doesnt sponge use optionals everywhere in their api?

[prisma wave]

yes

[onyx loom]

i remember someone saying it here

[jovial warren]

yeah that’s about the only project I can think of that does that

[prisma wave]

spring jpa supports it

[distant sun]

Lp?

[prisma wave]

LP almost definitely does

[jovial warren]

yeah LP uses a mix

let’s pick something larger

Guava

[distant sun]

Do you guys have experience with namelessmc?

Or probably better said .htaccess

[prisma wave]

Guava had their own stream and optional alternative for a long time afaik

However now there's Streams

[jovial warren]

still don’t use it internally though

[prisma wave]

[onyx loom]

never heard of it gaby

[jovial warren]

Guava uses nullability annotations from the checker framework

[onyx loom]

does guava run below java 8? because if it does that would completely rule them out lmao

[prisma wave]

https://guava.dev/releases/19.0/api/docs/com/google/common/base/Optional.html

And they also have this

[jovial warren]

19.0 lol

[prisma wave]

They have an android version which targets java 7, so yes that's probably part of it

Anyway

[jovial warren]

what about Apache commons?

[prisma wave]

Not being used internally in popular libraries (a claim that I would still dispute) doesn't mean a feature is bad

records aren't used in guava therefore records bad?

[jovial warren]

wasn’t my point though BM

my point was that most people who use Java use imperative logic

[prisma wave]

https://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-lang/apidocs/org/apache/commons/lang3/stream/Streams.FailableStream.html

[prisma wave]

Which you have no evidence to backup

Apart from a few libraries not necessarily using them internally

[jovial warren]

for some reason I can’t find any

[prisma wave]

Despite having APIs that support them

[jovial warren]

I know it exists, just can’t find any evidence to prove it

also, look in the JDK itself

I can’t remember the last time I saw that using streams

[onyx loom]

performance?

[prisma wave]

lmao

yes exactly

Excluding the situations where you have to use loops because performance is critical

[jovial warren]

so streams are bad then

[onyx loom]

that would probably apply to guava/apache too tbh

[prisma wave]

No?

[onyx loom]

streams are not bad at all

[jovial warren]

because they underperform imperative loops

[prisma wave]

The point of abstractions is increasing simplicity at the cost of performance

[prisma wave]

Ever heard of parallelStream

Outperforms pretty much everything

[jovial warren]

the conventional way to loop through a list is with a for each

[prisma wave]

ok and?

[onyx loom]

how is that a convention by any way

[jovial warren]

and that’s what is used most often

it just is

Java is very largely imperative

[onyx loom]

what has made it so the defining way to loop through a list is through a for each

[prisma wave]

if you're only using streams to loop through a list you're severely underusing them, and misunderstanding the point

[jovial warren]

I can’t actually remember the last time I saw streams being put to good use

[prisma wave]

So why do you use the collection functions in kotlin then?

If for loops are the conventional way of iteration

[onyx loom]

"because java is not kotlin"

[prisma wave]

https://www.github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/tree/master/common%2Fsrc%2Fmain%2Fjava%2Fme%2Flucko%2Fluckperms%2Fcommon%2Fcommands%2Fuser%2FUserInfo.java#L70

[onyx loom]

streams everywhere 😌

[prisma wave]

Sure

[jovial warren]

alright, take the +1 for LuckPerms

[prisma wave]

Streams and optionals, records, var, etc everywhere

[jovial warren]

still not backing down on my point though

[prisma wave]

Which is what

[onyx loom]

yea ive lost it

are u saying that streams are bad?

[jovial warren]

that for loops are more widely used than streams

[onyx loom]

why am i here

this does not deserve my messages

[prisma wave]

I'm pretty sure I could find evidence to disprove that

But sure

Go off

java is by definition a functional language, streams and optionals were clearly created for a reason and the adoption rate continues to grow

kotlin added first class functions and the collection transformation functions for a reason

Sequences? That's an FP concept

[jovial warren]

Java is not a functional language

[prisma wave]

Yes it is

[jovial warren]

It's an object oriented language

[steel heart]

I mean its multi paradigm?

it kinda has some functional style in it

[prisma wave]

It supports everything a functional language needs, and has functional APIs

it is mainly OOP yes

[prisma wave]

However this first claim is just wrong

[lunar cypress]

first class functions modCheck
immutable collections modCheck

[prisma wave]

ez

[lunar cypress]

I think when we say something is a "functional language" or an "OO language" there's an implied "primarily". Otherwise the statements become meaningless

C would be an OO language

[prisma wave]

sure

java definitely isn't primarily functional

But saying "there is no FP in java" isn't really true at all

[lunar cypress]

Yes, but I certainly wouldn't call it a functional language

[prisma wave]

Yes that may have been slightly hyperbolic

[lunar cypress]

It has closures... and that's about it

some syntax sugar to make up for a lack of first class functions

[jovial warren]

Java is still very heavily object-oriented

Haskell and Java are almost polar opposites

Java may have a few elements of FP, but that doesn’t make it a functional language

#showcase message can you please not rip off both Krypton’s name and it’s about

[prisma wave]

Lmao it's not gonna actually be called hrypton

I just can't think of another name yet

[jovial warren]

lol

[prisma wave]

MineHraft

[jovial warren]

gonna you’ll even get to loading chunks from disk and sending them to clients

[prisma wave]

bet

I've got this far without any major issues

[onyx loom]

ive missed both of my school lessons today 😃

[prisma wave]

Can only go up from here

[prisma wave]

Congratulations!

[onyx loom]

is it bad that i thought it was wednesday not tuesday 🥶

thanks!

[jovial warren]

lol

[unkempt tangle]

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ayM4ObV_700b.jpg

[prisma wave]

lmao what came

Game

[unkempt tangle]

No clue

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-crazy-oh-you-crazy-cray-cray-cray-gif-10041229

[steel heart]

its a waste of object creation

[prisma wave]

[old wyvern]

https://www.codota.com/code/java/classes/java.util.stream.Stream

Just go through this

lol

[prisma wave]

Very underused

An Apache project using something written in the past decade 😮

https://twitter.com/stephentyrone/status/1391833895843377158?s=19

Steve Canon (@stephentyrone)

"LLVM COBOL front end" are the most beautiful four words I've ever seen in an email subject.

Likes

317

Twitter · May 10, 2021, 7:13 PM

[old wyvern]

uh the new discord tag and reaction changes look so weird

[onyx loom]

oh no

what is this, its disgusting

[lavish notch]

Yuck

[onyx loom]

😩

theyve ruined the tear emoji reaction

how could they ☹️

[steel heart]

it was too powerful

[prisma wave]

🥲

[boreal needle]

streams are one of the best things in java

change my mind

[obtuse gale]

I won't

🙂

but java sucks still

[old wyvern]

ikr, Java bad, Haskell good

[pale shell]

=paste

[compact perch]

HelpChat Paste

Please use a paste service to share configs, errors, code and long logs.
• HelpChat Paste

[pale shell]

Is this number here too high for a rankup price? https://paste.helpch.at/aqocoheges.nginx

[oak raft]

c++ has auto 🤤

[obtuse gale]

how about using it to infer the return type 👀

wait how are pythons variables typed?

[oak raft]

emily how come this is incorrect?

I can't do that over multiple lines?

[half harness]

oof

[obtuse gale]

The type has to be inferred based on the value you give it when you declare it; it's like in Java trying to do this

var number;
number = 5;

[oak raft]

ah so I can't use auto

I have to be specific

[obtuse gale]

not like that

but I mean in such a specific example you'd just auto num = 5 anyway

[half harness]

i assume ```cpp
auto num = 5

oh

[obtuse gale]

mhm

[half harness]

im slow D:

[distant sun]

isnt auto used when you do things like Node node = new Node();

[jovial warren]

auto ew tf

[obtuse gale]

auto can be used anywhere

even in function return types

[jovial warren]

what kind of a keyword is that

[distant sun]

what so bad lol

[obtuse gale]

iTs NoT iDiOmAtIc

[distant sun]

it sets the type ... automatically

[half harness]

btw what does kotlin val stand for? value?

[boreal needle]

constant

[distant sun]

^

value

[boreal needle]

so kinda value ig?

[jovial warren]

no

read only

[half harness]

i know what it means, but how did they get the name?

since i doubt they just went, hey, lets just replace r with a random letter - l

[jovial warren]

not immutable

[obtuse gale]

C++ const = immutable 🙂

[boreal needle]

i prefer how Java does tbh

[half harness]

Kotlin has const too

[distant sun]

value and variable?

[boreal needle]

val doesn't make much sense by itself

[jovial warren]

const in Kotlin declares a compile time constant

[half harness]

ye thats what i was thinking, thx

[oak raft]

same thing as val

[jovial warren]

val is an immutable reference

[obtuse gale]

kinda like constexpr

[half harness]

val or var?

[jovial warren]

yeah just auto is a bit strange as a keyword imo

[old wyvern]

Imagine not being able to infer types properly

[obtuse gale]

except you can use it in functions too

[oak raft]

val

[half harness]

whats the var version?

[old wyvern]

var is mutable reference

[half harness]

yugi

when slimjar doc?

[oak raft]

same as java

[obtuse gale]

auto = var

[oak raft]

wut

[half harness]

twfqadsjkioa\SGVJK

[old wyvern]

Writing it rn

[obtuse gale]

you can still mutate the variable

[half harness]

OOOOoo yAyyyYY

[oak raft]

oh yeah..

[half harness]

🎉

[obtuse gale]

the closest you can get to val is a const auto but that enforces full class immutability

[old wyvern]

immutability good

[obtuse gale]

mhm

[jovial warren]

you finished that PR for slimjar in Krypton yet btw @old wyvern ?

[obtuse gale]

👀

[jovial warren]

please no

[obtuse gale]

lol

[old wyvern]

My fork has the working version afaik, Ill PR after some changes

[jovial warren]

hrypton is bad enough

[half harness]

OH NO

bardy

[obtuse gale]

are you implying I'm gonna write bad code?

[boreal needle]

brb gonna make prypton

[old wyvern]

The earlier issue was with you not having maven local in your normal repos since it wanted to apply it from there

[jovial warren]

no

[half harness]

brb gonna make jrypton

[old wyvern]

works now that I have published it

[obtuse gale]

phprypton

oh wait it's called pocketmine

[jovial warren]

lol

[half harness]

🥲

[old wyvern]

Hilarious joke there, Hrypton >> Krypton

[half harness]

i just realized that minecraft itself is written in java

[old wyvern]

🥲

[half harness]

brb gonna make kryptonv2

[obtuse gale]

woooooooooooooow

[jovial warren]

just not true

hrypton doesn’t even function properly

[old wyvern]

false

#showcase message

sir!

[jovial warren]

kinda, it’s called the server’s open-source and published to a Maven repo @half harness

[half harness]

lol

but

like does it have a class for each packet

or smth

[old wyvern]

Elarypton

Clojton

Grypton

[boreal needle]

groovypton

[jovial warren]

status works, big deal, not like Krypton’s had that for over two and a half months now

[old wyvern]

Rustron

Rustron best

[jovial warren]

yes

[half harness]

ok

[obtuse gale]

neither did krypton on its first few days

[old wyvern]

Yes it also has a hell of a lot of bugs everywhere xD

[obtuse gale]

sounds like an unfair comparison

[half harness]

time to make dkim19375KryptonCoreLib with a million extension functions to break sRp

[jovial warren]

fair enough emily

[oblique heath]

minecrypton

[half harness]

😮 are you hinting that... hrypton will.. be.. successfull

[old wyvern]

F#ypton

[oblique heath]

krypton implemented with command blocks

[jovial warren]

I’m just frustrated that because it’s Haskell it has contributors and yet Krypton gets none

[obtuse gale]

lol

[boreal needle]

it gets contributors because its a meme

[jovial warren]

true

[old wyvern]

I'd contribute but the last time I touched that codebase was a nightmare

xD

[half harness]

oof

[jovial warren]

it’s not bad now Yugi

[old wyvern]

And you do remember that bard

We were in vc

[jovial warren]

I had a massive refactor a couple of weeks ago I think

[old wyvern]

Good

[jovial warren]

the codebase is better now

[old wyvern]

lit

[jovial warren]

so you don’t have any excuses anymore 🙂

[old wyvern]

I havent tried it yet, so I do for now 😌

I can only speak from my last experience

[jovial warren]

fair

[oak raft]

how do I compile c++ 🥲

do I need something similar to a jvm

[obtuse gale]

you need a compiler

gcc/g++, msvc, clang

[oak raft]

where may I obtain one

[obtuse gale]

I assume you're on windows

right?

[oak raft]

no im on templeos

[obtuse gale]

lol

[oak raft]

lol

yeah I am

[obtuse gale]

Install mingw

👉 https://www.google.com/search?q=mingw

[old wyvern]

Install ghc

👉 https://www.haskell.org/ghc/download_ghc_9_0_1.html

[oblique heath]

.👉 👆

[round mango]

Anyone familiar with coding discord bots?

[lunar cypress]

maybe

[round mango]

maybe?

[half harness]

yes, also, if you have a question, ask in #development

I have a lot of experience using JDA

[round mango]

Could i dm you?

[half harness]

wat

[round mango]

about my question if ur familiar with them :P

[half harness]

no

[old wyvern]

Why not actually ask your question in #development instead?

[half harness]

I usually dont DM support, unless it's friends, one reason being that I have to go afk/gtg a lot, and another reason being that I don't know everything

[ocean quartz]

At least they asked to dm, the amount of dms i used to get before i turned dms off 😫

[jovial warren]

?help

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

» Give the helpers some details
» Ask suitable questions
» Be polite
» Wait

Source

Requested by: BomBardyGamer • help

[jovial warren]

don’t ask to ask 🙂

[old wyvern]

🥲

[half harness]

also ask in #development

[round mango]

bc its not my own question, would just be easier to dm :P

[obtuse gale]

no?

[round mango]

yea?

[obtuse gale]

if you ask in #development anyone who can help will help

[old wyvern]

How would that be any easier?

[oak raft]

just ask the question

[half harness]

that's like saying, I want to ask only one person, instead of asking 10 people that knows more than that one person

and no, it's not very convenient to DM all 10 people

[round mango]

Not gunna argue LOL, if I prefer to dm about something thats my preference, thanks though.

[obtuse gale]

just ask the bloody question jesus christ

you're wasting your own time

[jovial warren]

^

[round mango]

Hardly?

[obtuse gale]

by not getting any help

surely

[half harness]

not many people, if any, are going to DM support... so good luck 🙂

[round mango]

I got told to wait to ask.

But keep assuming

[half harness]

wat

[oak raft]

bro just ask the question 💀

[obtuse gale]

???

ask the question

jesus

[oak raft]

it's not that deep

[jovial warren]

no one in this chat will respond to DMs for support

[oak raft]

just ASK

[half harness]

i give up im gonna go do smth else

[round mango]

Its not my question holy fuck

[jovial warren]

so what

[ocean quartz]

Just like it's preference that we don't like receiving dms with questions
Dms is for talking with friends etc, there are support channels for a reason

[obtuse gale]

then why do you ask if you can ask if you have nothing to ask

[round mango]

Bc I was just trying to help my friend out? But he wants to figure it out himself

[obtuse gale]

about my question

Its not my question

[oak raft]

what

is

your

question

or your friends question

[obtuse gale]

we don't care who has the question

just ask it

What if one of us were to accept DM?

We're you gonna say "oh no it's not my question bye"?

[round mango]

No?

Why do you feel the need to continue?

[obtuse gale]

Why won't you ask the bloody question

[round mango]

Like just drop it

[jovial warren]

all we want is to help, but if you don’t want help then stop wasting our time and fuck off already

[obtuse gale]

You're making no sense that's why

[round mango]

Bc seeing as how I was just treated because of one of my preferences, I'd rather not

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-well-good-luck-with-that-raise-a-glass-gif-15803896

[obtuse gale]

If you were to ask the question in the first place people would be helping gladly

I can assure you that

[jovial warren]

^

[gusty glen]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-keep-your-secrets-alright-then-lotr-gif-12907121

[obtuse gale]

This is a community server

Not a 1:1 support

[round mango]

Legit you're all wasting your own time by butting in, I asked ONE person to see if I could dm them, they said no and thats perfectly okay. Then they directed me to where I could ask, but then you all decided it was your business to get involved. That is not MY problem.

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-fallon-secretsecret-secret-dancing-gif-5457330

[round mango]

I'm not gunna ask a question and waste someones time by having them explain if it doesnt need to be asked.

[obtuse gale]

????

You're making no sense

[round mango]

How?

I HAD a question, I no longer have a question

How is that so hard to understand?

[obtuse gale]

Cool

[round mango]

God damn.

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5102037

[pale shell]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-popcorn-day-cinema-gif-5026744

[ocean quartz]

So dming someone is not wasting their time but asking in the support channel and getting a quick reply because many people would see and probably know would be?

[obtuse gale]

What's the difference with that between asking in DMs and in a proper community support channel

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-popcorn-nom-nom-this-is-gonna-be-good-gif-16262875

[obtuse gale]

You have a question in DMs but not in #development ?

It makes no sense

Go pay a consultant or something

[round mango]

Tf is ur problem

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-win-pines-gravity-falls-grunkle-stan-gif-12897342

[round mango]

Like its over, I no longer have a question so just drop it?

[obtuse gale]

:+1:

[round mango]

Instead of continuing cuz you "dont understand"

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/losermovie-jensen-journey-strangers-gif-8725990

[round mango]

Everyone has their own preferences. Why's that such a huge deal?

[old wyvern]

Have you heard of Haskell?

Seems to be a major preference around here

[pale shell]

no

[ocean quartz]

One day when you give support on a server you'll understand

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-shhh-shut-i-up-silence-dont-speak-gif-9880623

[round mango]

I know what its like to have people dming you, thats why I ASKED.

But thanks for the input.

[oblique heath]

Misslono what are you upset about again

[pale shell]

lol

[oblique heath]

that people asked you to ask your question in the chat instead of in dms?

[pale shell]

damn i saw that lol

[old wyvern]

lol

[round mango]

No, because I got attacked for wanting that

[pale shell]

update IJ @old wyvern

[forest pecan]

"attacked"

[oblique heath]

i don't see how you were attacked

[forest pecan]

let me guess

[hot hull]

someone ping me

[forest pecan]

another one of those kids?

[onyx loom]

just drop it

[old wyvern]

?

[forest pecan]

@hot hull

[pale shell]

@hot hull

[hot hull]

Oh ew

That's fucking disgusting

[onyx loom]

this is now a pointless conversation

[forest pecan]

another one of those kids?

im assuming

[pale shell]

you using 2020 @old wyvern

[maiden night]

um

whats wrong with dm'ing for help

[forest pecan]

asks a question, doesnt properly ask it. Helpers try and they critique. But than the person replies saying they feel "attacked"

[forest pecan]

its bad

annoying

[old wyvern]

Does that even show up in the presence lol

[forest pecan]

fills up your DMs

[pale shell]

yes

[quiet depot]

lol u guys are funny

[forest pecan]

also it assumes they are askign YOU only

[maiden night]

you all made such an unnecessary argument tho

[pale shell]

hover over the circle

[hot hull]

oh hi Piggy

[jovial warren]

it’s annoying when there’s support channels

[oblique heath]

dming someone unfairly pressures them into helping you

[quiet depot]

pming for help is a sin

[round mango]

3-4 people butting into a conversation, saying you make zero senses, telling you what to do, when you were already directed somewhere

[old wyvern]

Ah

[pale shell]

oh no, Bacon is here.

[old wyvern]

right

Cant be bothered to update tho

[pale shell]

[round mango]

I asked, I didnt dm anyone

[onyx loom]

the way i see it is that, its a community server that is specifically for support, dming people means ur limiting urself to just 1 person helping u, instead of many that could have better inputs

[maiden night]

like its so hard to get support when every tom dick and harry is talking about other things

[old wyvern]

they keep releasing updates everyweek

[obtuse gale]

Maybe you have a specific question the other person does not know the answer to, will you DM people 1 by 1 until you get the answer if any? Or rather ask publicly and let anyone who knows help?

[quiet depot]

thank god this isn't a support channel ay?

[forest pecan]

When I read up. That is not at all what you described.

[pale shell]

nah i just update to the latest year

[hot hull]

mans didn't say hi back, sadge

[old wyvern]

literally everything needs an update

[quiet depot]

hi frosty

[hot hull]

smh

[round mango]

excuse me?

[oblique heath]

dming even after asking locks that particular person into a conversation with you

[forest pecan]

We repetitively asked you to ask your question. But you always saying DMs?

[onyx loom]

thats a lot of ides u got there

[old wyvern]

I think Im only missing like a few weeks

[forest pecan]

just ask it here

is there some privacy issue?

[round mango]

Thats their problem then for accepting if they say yes

not my fault

[forest pecan]

or closed source thing?

[pale shell]

https://i.imgur.com/lHUC5MZ.png

[hot hull]

Can y'all stop bitching, go outside, the weather is nice, it'll start raining soon

[onyx loom]

^

[oblique heath]

no it's your problem for asking them instead of asking your question to the help chat as a whole

[obtuse gale]

Because you don't make any sense! "I have a question", "it's not my question", "I don't have a question", "I have a question in DMs not here"

[onyx loom]

its actually raining rn tho frosty

[old wyvern]

cant be bothered

[onyx loom]

we had thunder earlier ☹️

[pale shell]

its not raining

[hot hull]

Sadge, it's gonna start in an hour here

[old wyvern]

It makes copies that I hav to manually delete

[half harness]

clear skies for me

[pale shell]

its one fucking button

[old wyvern]

Only have 50gb left on my ssd

[pale shell]

god damn

[hot hull]

Was walking down a 5°C river earlier :p

[round mango]

Thats not even how it went

[pale shell]

only 50gb

[hot hull]

felt nice

[obtuse gale]

How was it not

[old wyvern]

Yes lol

[quiet depot]

i thought you were buying a new one yugi?

[old wyvern]

yes piggy

[pale shell]

https://i.imgur.com/aeVgZL1.png

[old wyvern]

But probably not for a month or two atleast

[onyx loom]

just let it go

[pale shell]

cries in 12tb of storage

[ocean quartz]

So you mean the weather will be nice soon?

[hot hull]

:C

[forest pecan]

9 telebytes?

holy shit

[pale shell]

12*

[quiet depot]

windows used to think I had like 999 exabytes

[half harness]

telebytes?

[onyx loom]

eee frosty

[old wyvern]

lmao

[forest pecan]

yeah

[onyx loom]

is ur c drive ssd and D a hdd im guessing

[hot hull]

Need to get a larger ssd as the next upgrade

[half harness]

not terabytes?

[quiet depot]

it couldn't read one of my remote disks properly

[pale shell]

is that enough @forest pecan ?

[hot hull]

Indeed Kali

[forest pecan]

terabytes i meant

[half harness]

ohh

ok

[forest pecan]

no thats too much

lol

[pale shell]

no

i was gonna buy 20

[old wyvern]

Im upgrading to 2tb on my ssd soon

[onyx loom]

250gb drives in 2021 is quite the yikes

[quiet depot]

nvme?

[old wyvern]

250gb is jsut clustrophobic

[pale shell]

I future proof my pc's

[forest pecan]

guys i literally only have 500 gigabyte SSD

[old wyvern]

yea

[quiet depot]

good stuff

[hot hull]

PC was built two years ago Kali

so shut it

[onyx loom]

thats gonna be pretty expensive yugi 😳

[old wyvern]

Not too much

[quiet depot]

2tb ssd?

few hundred $

[old wyvern]

Yea

[ocean quartz]

I have 500 and it's claustrophobic too, have to store most things in the hdd 😩

[hot hull]

Fuck you need a 2tb ssd for

[onyx loom]

last time i checked they were like 250

[old wyvern]

like 250$ for samsung

[pale shell]

https://i.imgur.com/Dm3aHXZ.png expensive enough?

[old wyvern]

yea same

[quiet depot]

yeah and well samsung is like uber top end

[onyx loom]

samsung ssds or nothing

[old wyvern]

I live in fear of running out of space

[quiet depot]

I think I have a wd nvme in my laptop

[ocean quartz]

Games

[quiet depot]

idk, came with the laptop

[pale shell]

I must have easily 50tb lying around my house

[quiet depot]

it works fine

[pale shell]

easily

[hot hull]

Why the fuck would you store games on an ssd

[pale shell]

speed

[quiet depot]

games benefit majorly from ssds

[hot hull]

Can you not live with that 30sec boot time

[quiet depot]

some games*

[onyx loom]

why would u not frosty?

[old wyvern]

Games, IDEs, dual-boot

[jovial warren]

try Double.MAX_VALUE

[onyx loom]

if u have an ssd that has lots of free space in it, why would u put it on a hdd instead?

[pale shell]

I'm using bigdecimal

[quiet depot]

frosty games like rust, ur looking at 10 min login time vs 2 min login time

[hot hull]

That's just flexing at that point

[onyx loom]

oh god rust is so bad with a hdd

[old wyvern]

I actually do need that much space frost

lol

[jovial warren]

consider that the maximum exponent of a double is 1023

[half harness]

2/10 minutes?!

[pale shell]

I could go further but players need to actually get that amount of money

[onyx loom]

took me like 30 minutes to join a server on rust with a hdd

[half harness]

minecraft is only 1 minute 🥰

[quiet depot]

yeah it's pretty atrocious

[hot hull]

boutta throw my entire pron collection on an ssd

[pale shell]

1 minute?

to load?

[onyx loom]

ofc i had to download the textures and stuff, but still

[old wyvern]

also piggy, what are other good options than samsung?

[quiet depot]

with rust though it doesn't have to be a good ssd

like I have mine on some shitty sata ssd, not my main nvme

and it's like 10 secs extra from the nvme

[half harness]

ignoring the fact that 70% of the time it crashes, yes

[onyx loom]

sabrent are good too yugi

afaik

[quiet depot]

yugi I really only know wd & samsung for drives

both are good

[pale shell]

https://i.imgur.com/kKfeVD4.png

[onyx loom]

as long as its got a DRAM cache ull be fine

[quiet depot]

with nvme there's a few things u have to check

[old wyvern]

ah ill check sabrent and wd out then

[pale shell]

32gb RAM good?

[old wyvern]

oh, what should I look for?

[quiet depot]

u need to make sure it's the right kind of flash

like tlc/qlc/mlc etc

[onyx loom]

TLC 👍

[oblique heath]

nvme brands actually matter

[old wyvern]

How do I decide which is the rght one?

[onyx loom]

pig have u saw the new samsung ssd?

[half harness]

give me ur pc 🥺

[onyx loom]

the 980 evo iirc

it uses MLC

[oblique heath]

most of the controller chips are proprietary and affect performance a lot

[quiet depot]

I've got a 960 evo

[oblique heath]

ew

[pale shell]

i was gonna get 64gb RAM what was the max they sold

[oblique heath]

it doesn't have dram

[onyx loom]

wait what?

[pale shell]

but it was £400 extra :/

[onyx loom]

that cant be true ivan surely

[oblique heath]

the samsung 980 non pro's don't have dram

that's why they're cheaper than the 970s

[quiet depot]

what does dram do?

[oblique heath]

it's a cache for data

and for the map that the ssd uses to access stuff

[quiet depot]

so 970 evo > 980 evo?

[oblique heath]

yes

[pale shell]

[quiet depot]

lol

well anyway yugi

you're usually safe with samsung

ig just avoid 980 evos

and I use a wd nvme in my laptop and it's fine

[oblique heath]

if you write something to your ssd and it has dram, it'll write directly to that ram

then organize it across the flash on it's own time

[old wyvern]

ah alrighty

[quiet depot]

ivan are wd nvmes any good?

[oblique heath]

i think they're pretty good

never used em but i've heard good things

[pale shell]

I need to find someone who can help code but idk anyone

[quiet depot]

#development

there's like 100 people in there

[pale shell]

no i mean like collab with.

[onyx loom]

oh god ur right

[quiet depot]

collaboration sucks balls

[half harness]

I need to find someone who can help code but idk anyone

[onyx loom]

what are they thinking

[pale shell]

I got a big project coming up.

[oblique heath]

they're goin crazy

[frigid badge]

lmao

[pale shell]

It's my last project before I'm out 🤞

[quiet depot]

more teammates = worse productivity

until burnout at least

[half harness]

o

wot

y

[quiet depot]

lol idk that's just me

I've tried working with people on projects like that before

we have to stay very separate otherwise it just doesn't work imo

[pale shell]

it's just a pain to sort out smh

[half harness]

i have 0 contributers in bedwars 😭

[frigid badge]

define a big project though

[pale shell]

Server

[old wyvern]

What server

[quiet depot]

like the only successful joint project I've done is where we literally worked in different languages on the "same project", but doing polar opposites

[frigid badge]

yeah to me that's not that big of a project

[quiet depot]

he was working on a php backend and I was making a java mc plugin

[pale shell]

a upcoming Server of mine, I'm custom coding a shit ton of it.

[prisma wave]

Sounds like someone is SCARED of hrypton's potential

[old wyvern]

😌

[prisma wave]

It's literally just me lmao, and yugi when he's free

[pale shell]

I'm trying to implement more Kotlin into it. 🙂

[frigid badge]

and ofc my imaginary help

[oak raft]

you contribute to haskell?

[quiet depot]

bardy you can't actually be disappointed when your project doesn't get contributers

[onyx loom]

lemmo for the docker help 😌

[old wyvern]

Hrypton*

[oak raft]

oh

[prisma wave]

ofc tysm 😘

[pale shell]

but yeah i gotta find someone else who wants to work alongside me.

[forest pecan]

i wish i would get help

like holovid

[old wyvern]

[forest pecan]

🥲

[pale shell]

I have people who wanna spend a few hundred on the project already. But it's not ready yet, lol.

[prisma wave]

If only

to have Simon review one of your PRs

To die for

[old wyvern]

😌

[pale shell]

Simon?

[oak raft]

you're too garbage for that

[old wyvern]

Simon Peyton Jones!

The One

The Only

[oak raft]

nah im jk u have the biggest shlong remember

[onyx loom]

the beautiful man seen in pinned messages

[prisma wave]

Soon

[old wyvern]

SIR SIMON

[prisma wave]

u want proof or smth??

[onyx loom]

😳

[oak raft]

I already have proof

[pale shell]

who and wtf

[oak raft]

you're in the museum

[old wyvern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Peyton_Jones

[prisma wave]

what a guy

[old wyvern]

😌

[pale shell]

bm

he could've been your professor

[prisma wave]

i wish

[forest pecan]

my dad's profesor was dijstras

lmao

[prisma wave]

:o

[old wyvern]

That man is odd

[pale shell]

honest question, who was he

[prisma wave]

If I got into cambridge he could be 👀

maybe

Idk how active he is but he probably does talks sometimes

[old wyvern]

Simon? The maintainer/lead developer of haskell/GHC

[prisma wave]

god

[pale shell]

no the other guy

[old wyvern]

Does Simon still teach?

[prisma wave]

hopefully

[pale shell]

simon overrated

[old wyvern]

Have you not heard of Dijikstra Algorithmn?

[pale shell]

no?

[old wyvern]

Path Finding

[pale shell]

oh ye

look, my school taught me jack shit

[forest pecan]

pretty famous

algorithm actually

[old wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GazC3A4OQTE

[pale shell]

I've learnt 95% of my education from online

[prisma wave]

Peyton Jones chairs the Computing At School (CAS) group,[3] an organisation which aims to promote the teaching of computer science at schooL

So he's definitely still active in the industry

You never know

[old wyvern]

Man has some very weird quotes xD

[frigid badge]

We dutchies are the best

[prisma wave]

you're no Simon

[pale shell]

bm

[forest pecan]

damn

[pale shell]

Stephen is much better.

[prisma wave]

or rich hickey

[forest pecan]

he really just roasted every programmer

[onyx loom]

lemmo can i say smth to u in dutch 🥲

u may or may not like it 🥲

[prisma wave]

who now

[frigid badge]

lol

what is it

[pale shell]

Stephen Hawking

[prisma wave]

oh nah

[pale shell]

yes

I prefer him over your guy

[prisma wave]

Simon beats Stephen hawking

[onyx loom]

ill put it in #support-in-training because i probably shouldnt say it here idk

[old wyvern]

Hawking bad, Peyton good

[pale shell]

Stephen Hawking was actually known.

[prisma wave]

I mean Stephen might be smart but who would win in a fight...

That's what I thought

[old wyvern]

xD

[frigid badge]

oh yeez

[pale shell]

oh

damn bm, that's dark

[frigid badge]

never every say that in here looool

@onyx loom

[onyx loom]

yeah 😂

[frigid badge]

I should ban you for that lol

[onyx loom]

i have a dutch friend

[prisma wave]

wtf kali

[pale shell]

hey Lemmo i wanna make a report about one of your Support in training peeps

[quiet depot]

pm barry

[onyx loom]

nope

nothing wrong here

[old wyvern]

Wat zei hij?

[quiet depot]

or just say it to their face like a man

[half harness]

what did kali say

[onyx loom]

nothing happened

[prisma wave]

Yeah cuz Simon knocked Stephen's lights out

[pale shell]

kali what happened

[forest pecan]

can you be support but not know jackshit about plugins

🥲

[prisma wave]

I think so

[onyx loom]

sure

[frigid badge]

yes

[onyx loom]

matt 🙃

[prisma wave]

I know pretty much jack shit

[quiet depot]

demoted

[pale shell]

@prisma wave Atleast Stephen got invited to stuff, Stephen had to go into the backdoor as a nobody.

[frigid badge]

well tbh i never was support

I was 'Helpful'

[onyx loom]

cute

[prisma wave]

Simon has been a speaker at Cambridge university

[frigid badge]

when it wasn't a position to apply for

[oak raft]

So when does c++ get bad

[forest pecan]

i didnt know that

[oak raft]

it looks easy af

[forest pecan]

i shouldve asked

[quiet depot]

helpful still isn't a position to apply for lemmo

[forest pecan]

🥲

its too late now

[quiet depot]

we still give helpful out

[pale shell]

Yeah, the real speaker was ill, so they had to pull him up.

[quiet depot]

a couple people have it

[frigid badge]

yeah but helpful isn't what it used to be

[quiet depot]

yea

[old wyvern]

🥲

[prisma wave]

not having helpful 🤣 🤣

[onyx loom]

extremely rude

[pale shell]

😦

[prisma wave]

just be more helpful LOSER

[oak raft]

if sm gets support will he have helpful taken away?

[distant sun]

Can we ban frosty?

[onyx loom]

i guess ur right bm

[prisma wave]

no

[hot hull]

Yes Gaby

[old wyvern]

[hot hull]

Yes we can

[pale shell]

Piggy, is many of these Support In Training people gonna get a real role?

[onyx loom]

define a real role

[pale shell]

Support

[prisma wave]

yeah they're planning to give me admin

[quiet depot]

dunno

[oak raft]

chances are, they all gonna ge tit

[quiet depot]

honestly we haven't talked about it yet

[forest pecan]

i wish i applied for support

[quiet depot]

when the time ticks we'll review all the shit everyone has done over the last week or however long you guys have been support in training

[pale shell]

I applied for a dev role, i got no chance at getting that 🥲

[forest pecan]

i have to wait a year now OOOF

[old wyvern]

They're planning to transfer the server over to this man named BristerMitten

[frigid badge]

I mean just like the previous time it depends on how well they do.

[oak raft]

none of the supports are useless and don't help soo

[onyx loom]

can i be in permanent training

[oak raft]

except kaliber

he's useless

[onyx loom]

ikr

[pale shell]

I got denied for no reason

[forest pecan]

for what

[pale shell]

they didn't even say why

[forest pecan]

support?

[prisma wave]

That is true!

[pale shell]

ye

[oak raft]

There's obviously a reason lol

[quiet depot]

no one got a deny reason

[pale shell]

I would like to know why I didn't get through

[old wyvern]

I got denied because I gave up the application after seeing that I only knew about 2 of the listed plugins 🥲

[obtuse gale]

When you are introduced and taught the discouraged practices :^)

[oak raft]

Oh so it's actually a chill language?

[quiet depot]

or if you're trying to make a frontend static site, c++ might be a bad choice

[pale shell]

there was a list of plugins?

[old wyvern]

Elm? Yes

Use Elm

[frigid badge]

if you know what you are doing c++ isn't bad

[oak raft]

C++ 🙂

[obtuse gale]

yeah that lol

[old wyvern]

Elm

Haskell

[onyx loom]

clojure

[oak raft]

It's nice to know what you got denied for so you can improve but they just don't give it away 🤷‍♂️

[old wyvern]

😌

[pale shell]

Whatcha mean by just don't give it away

[oak raft]

They don't tell you

[pale shell]

oh ye

"Unfortunately your application to join the staff team was unsuccessful this time, but don't feel discouraged as you don't need a role to be able to help others.
Feel free to apply again next staff intake."

[oak raft]

I'm not bothered by it tbh

[pale shell]

that gives 0 details

[quiet depot]

remence, odin pretty sure most places work like this

[oak raft]

Yeah

[prisma wave]

Haskell? Yes

[oak raft]

So that's why I'm not pressed

[onyx loom]

dont feel discouraged!!!!

keep helping peopel!!!

[pale shell]

@onyx loom I might not even be here for next round.

[quiet depot]

cole straight up left after he got denied

[oak raft]

Next round is prolly gonna be in a long time

[frigid badge]

lmao