dev-general

[prisma wave]

and clojure

[old wyvern]

🥲

[foggy pond]

Cause I find myself working on a plugin, doing 50% of it, taking a break long a month and getting back to it thinking "Wtf I need to rewrite this" and just never get around to finishing it

So I thought making a UML diagram might help with getting back to it without rewriting everything

[prisma wave]

export PATH="$PATH:hello/world"
Cons operator in bash

[jovial warren]

classic

happens to the best of us

this is why comments are your best friend

[old wyvern]

Yea, if you have a good idea on what you want, making any sort of plan prehand will work out

But this is, ofc, assuming you know exactly what you want

xD

Make a requirements list first

[foggy pond]

Requirements list?

[old wyvern]

Yes, All requirements your final product should have

Every minute feature

[foggy pond]

Idk cause as I am coming to the end of my first year studying Computing Sciences, I realized how important the planning process of writing any program is

So I kinda wanna bring that to making plugins, but it's not exactly the same thing 😂

[old wyvern]

You can implement most of just fine in any scenario

They are pretty abstract

https://www.softwaretestinghelp.com/software-development-life-cycle-sdlc/

[foggy pond]

Yeah just that I have made UML diagrams for smaller programs, I am making a plugin which has like 40 classes so it will become a huge mess I feel like

[old wyvern]

Doesnt have to be a uml disgram

If you are doing UML, use a proper tool for making that

staruml works fine for me

[foggy pond]

I mean I am using draw.io 😂

[old wyvern]

lol

[foggy pond]

It works pretty well

It's what I used for all my assignments

[old wyvern]

Sure, whatever works for you ig

[cinder flare]

yeah MVPs are very motivating

helps you focus

[boreal needle]

you actually plan stuff?

i dont

[foggy pond]

I used to not plan stuff

[boreal needle]

just jump into ij and make it up as i go along

works for me

[foggy pond]

But it becomes a mess

With way bigger projects it becomes a mess on the long run

[prisma wave]

just refactor

[boreal needle]

literally all my stuff has been completely unplanned

i just write code and tend to follow the same kind of patterns

it all just falls into place normally

[jovial warren]

yeah since when was planning a thing that hobbyists did

[cinder flare]

let's hope squirt isn't a mess 🥲

[boreal needle]

no comment

[jovial warren]

lol

[boreal needle]

squirt's predecessor is

[old wyvern]

squirt?

[boreal needle]

squirtgun

cross platform lib thing im working on

[old wyvern]

weird name

[boreal needle]

https://github.com/lucyy-mc/squirtgun

ikr

[old wyvern]

xD

[jovial warren]

blame @cinder flare Yugi

[old wyvern]

lol

[jovial warren]

I just thought of an idea actually

maybe I should create a useless feature wheel lol

and whatever it lands on, I implement into Krypton

lol

[prisma wave]

fer·nan·do pó·ov

[spiral junco]

fer·nan·do pó·ov

[prisma wave]

fer·nan·do pó·ov

[spiral junco]

fer·nan·do pó·ov

[boreal needle]

what does that even mean

[half harness]

fer·nan·do pó·ov

[half harness]

no idea

[boreal needle]

understandable

[hot hull]

¸idots

[spiral junco]

yes

[old wyvern]

Sounds functional

or rather

[onyx loom]

fake

[old wyvern]

pure

[prisma wave]

Random numbers aren't very pure 🥴

[spiral junco]

fer·nan·do pó·ov

[onyx loom]

thats not me

[half harness]

🤨

[prisma wave]

fer·nan·do pó·ov

[onyx loom]

photoshopped

[old wyvern]

🥲

[onyx loom]

tampered with

[old wyvern]

pseudo randoms can be

[onyx loom]

GIMPed

[prisma wave]

True

[old wyvern]

purity all the way

[prisma wave]

• -> Int

[static zealot]

nothing is as poor as 0

[boreal needle]

wow ive been pinged 300 times in this server

[onyx loom]

das crazy

[hot hull]

bruh

[onyx loom]

u must be popular or smth

[static zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-19732520

[onyx loom]

@hot hull 8360
gotta make it a nice number 🙂

[prisma wave]

fer·nan·do pó·ov

[onyx loom]

ok

[old wyvern]

wow

frosty has more pings than bm

[prisma wave]

Not by much

[old wyvern]

yea

like 400

[static zealot]

I mean even I have almost more than him. but Frosty was here before BM

[old wyvern]

true

[hot hull]

Tends to help when you aren't pinged constantly in #general-plugins

[static zealot]

frosty's first message was 25/02/2019.
My first message was in 02/12/2019.

[old wyvern]

oh btw bm

[prisma wave]

Oui

[old wyvern]

can I provide a contribution for Best Of HelpChat?

[prisma wave]

absolutely

[prisma wave]

Oh lord

[hot hull]

kek

[onyx loom]

🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲 🥲

[static zealot]

beautiful

[old wyvern]

🥲

[static zealot]

@lost forge what do you have to say in your defense?

[forest pecan]

rookie numbers

[old wyvern]

ayy pulse at 1.9k

[forest pecan]

exactly

lol

[static zealot]

have you ever been pinged 120 times in 1 day?

[boreal needle]

yeah but youre actually relevant

[static zealot]

because I have

[boreal needle]

i am not

[static zealot]

lmao

[forest pecan]

nope

you are just jealous

😄

/s

[static zealot]

actually it was 118 I think

btw guys I can confirm that Rick and Morty is a good show

[old wyvern]

The reply feature actually bumps pings way up

[static zealot]

yeah it does

most of those pings were replies

[old wyvern]

mhm

[onyx loom]

idk why they removed quotes when they brought in replies

quotes still wouldve had their usages

[static zealot]

they didn't

[old wyvern]

Threads are coming right?

[static zealot]

wait wasn't it still a thing

on right click?

[old wyvern]

Discord becoming slack 2.0 fully?

[onyx loom]

no lol

[half harness]

idk why they removed quotes when they brought in replies
@onyx loom rip

[onyx loom]

quotes would be so useful in this server for more xp 😌

[half harness]

@static zealot 🙂

[static zealot]

nice

[forest pecan]

https://paste.helpch.at/iyaqemawif.cpp

[boreal needle]

i hate you

[forest pecan]

:)

[hot hull]

I hate all of you

except Terfs

[onyx loom]

wow

[boreal needle]

understandable

not the terf bit

[hot hull]

Okay and maybe Kali

[boreal needle]

do you hate me

[onyx loom]

cute

[hot hull]

From the bottom of my heart lucy

[forest pecan]

forsty

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/xzNu.gif

[forest pecan]

what about me!

[onyx loom]

😬

[boreal needle]

again, understandable

[hot hull]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[forest pecan]

frosty what about me!

[boreal needle]

denied

[boreal needle]

nope

das not me

cute is not a thing i do

[vital trench]

a

[boreal needle]

b

[onyx loom]

well ik that lucy, was talking to frosty 🌚

jk

[boreal needle]

oof

brb gonna go cry find my laptop

[onyx loom]

understandable have a great day

[boreal needle]

i cant find my pen :(

i was gonna do some doodles

but i have no pen

[onyx loom]

😮

what do u wanna doodle

[boreal needle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old wyvern]

🥲

[boreal needle]

i really suck ass at anything creative

[onyx loom]

are u any good 🥲

[boreal needle]

tryna practice

no

absolutely not

[onyx loom]

lol

surely not worse than me

[boreal needle]

yes

worse than you

[onyx loom]

im basically a 3 year old trying to draw

[boreal needle]

same

[onyx loom]

🥲

[boreal needle]

im just tryna make my lack of ability work

loads of styles out there are simple

[spiral junco]

omg doodles r amazing

cant draw shit digitally doe im too used to paper to use my wacom tablet ;-;

[boreal needle]

this is actually so sad

i cant find it anywhere

;-;

[spiral junco]

i wanna draw somethin now

[boreal needle]

where pen go

@pen where are you

[prisma wave]

curl --proto '=https' --tlsv1.2 -sSf https://get-ghcup.haskell.org | sh

[boreal needle]

is that going to magically give me my pen back

[onyx loom]

absolutely 🙂

[boreal needle]

i want a refund

[onyx loom]

sounds like a you problem

[prisma wave]

get on linux right now

cretin

[boreal needle]

cant

laptop doesnt run it

[prisma wave]

and

WSL

[boreal needle]

i have wsl

[prisma wave]

so use it

😄

[spiral junco]

@boreal needle https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/p/windows-terminal/9n0dx20hk701?rtc=1&activetab=pivot:overviewtab idk if this will help but theres this

[cinder flare]

then why did you run it in cmd lmao

[prisma wave]

embarassing

[boreal needle]

it was supposed to be a joke

[prisma wave]

oh SURE

sure

[boreal needle]

it seems my lack of humour has failed me again

ill see myself out

[prisma wave]

i've heard that one before

"sorry i killed your family, it was supposed to be a joke"
~ James Gosling

[onyx loom]

😩

[spiral junco]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-egg-dog-grooming-oval-gif-13997020

[onyx loom]

im sorry to hear that Semigroup Mitten

[prisma wave]

thank you Kaliber

[spiral junco]

bruh i cant eggdog

[prisma wave]

your kind words mean a lot

[prisma wave]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-egg-dog-grooming-oval-gif-13997020

i gotchu 🙂

what on earth

[jovial warren]

lol

[prisma wave]

blursed

[onyx loom]

egg dog

[boreal needle]

brb

going on a quest to recover the once lost pen

[spiral junco]

egg dog is cool

[prisma wave]

well hurry the HECK up LOSER

[jovial warren]

it's that time again I think

[prisma wave]

ive got PLACES to be

[jovial warren]

time to hop on the test server

[spiral junco]

is that ij material theme ic O.O

[prisma wave]

ABSOLUTELY

[ocean quartz]

Wouldn't be so slow if it wasn't HASKELL!!!

[prisma wave]

DONT SASS ME

i have seen JAVA GKOTLIN compile TIMES

[onyx loom]

gkotlin

[ocean quartz]

How fast does gkotlin compile?

[oak raft]

Does anyone know if the engine overwatch uses was forked from Unreal?

[prisma wave]

SLOW

[ocean quartz]

Forked?

[prisma wave]

it's custom afaik

[onyx loom]

does ow use unreal engine?

[prisma wave]

dont think so

[oak raft]

They showed pics of the engine and it looks really similar to unreal

[spiral junco]

https://imgur.com/FeT0Yyo material theme ftw

[prisma wave]

https://imgur.com/FeT0Yyo

[jovial warren]

https://i.imgur.com/T1A0hbF.png 🥲

[onyx loom]

apparently its proprietary

[prisma wave]

that is hideous

[ocean quartz]

I mean most engines look the same

[spiral junco]

D:

[prisma wave]

so ugly

[oak raft]

True

[prisma wave]

unbelievably ugly

[spiral junco]

bruh it looks good to me smh

[oak raft]

What's wrong with it sm

[prisma wave]

inconsistent

[jovial warren]

@old wyvern I think I am in desperate need of that update like rn

https://i.imgur.com/T1A0hbF.png

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, that's pretty ugly

[prisma wave]

horrendous

[spiral junco]

D:

[oak raft]

you're inconsistent 😤

[prisma wave]

plain darcula would look nicer

[old wyvern]

Upcoming, dw

[prisma wave]

dont speak to me

[jovial warren]

better be xD

[old wyvern]

lol

[oak raft]

D:

[prisma wave]

ALMOST DONE

[onyx loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/kotlinmemes/comments/hhfc98/java_killed_all_my_family/fwp9x12/?context=3 i just saw this in my reddit notifications 🥲

[jovial warren]

I can't distribute a 40 MB JAR

[ocean quartz]

Beauty

[prisma wave]

spigot is literally like 50MB

[old wyvern]

Working on it rn actualy, spotify just likes to override ij's presence

[jovial warren]

nah it's 28MB

[oak raft]

Theme? 😍

[prisma wave]

a classic

[jovial warren]

28MB*

[prisma wave]

oh no

[ocean quartz]

Atom one dark, with my custom colors

[prisma wave]

compiling aeson rn yugi 😩

[jovial warren]

Krypton is literally bigger than Spigot

[oak raft]

Damn okay

[old wyvern]

oh god

What are you making bm?

[prisma wave]

idk

[old wyvern]

lol

[prisma wave]

might start work on HRYPTON

[old wyvern]

I mean if your data is structured, aeson is nice

[ocean quartz]

Nice

[old wyvern]

Ayyy

Im in too

after exams

[prisma wave]

YES

[ocean quartz]

Hukkit wen?

[prisma wave]

absolutely not

[old wyvern]

Hrypton!!

xD

[prisma wave]

MonadCraft

[old wyvern]

Omg yes!

[ocean quartz]

A fast, lightweight Krypton fork written in Haskell

[jovial warren]

[prisma wave]

what is the difference between app and src folders

[old wyvern]

src contains your actual logic, app contains handling I/O and stuff afaik

[prisma wave]

ah okay

nice

[ocean quartz]

You should know this BM!!

[prisma wave]

🧻

🙄

lol

[old wyvern]

xD

[prisma wave]

i have never actually written anything useful in haskell

just clash answers

[ocean quartz]

And you call yourself a Haskell missionary?!?!

[old wyvern]

Contribute to hasklash today!! for the price of FREE!! xD

[prisma wave]

YES

[ocean quartz]

LOW STANDARDS!

[prisma wave]

dont need to make "enterprise apps" to be an EXPERT

[old wyvern]

oh btw bm

did you update the dockerfile pr for the new version?

or does the old one work fine as well?

[prisma wave]

wdym

i think i updated it

but it should be able to merge anyway

[old wyvern]

Ah alrighty, thanks

[prisma wave]

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/network 👀

import Network.Socket

[jovial warren]

import Joe.Mama

[prisma wave]

hmm

i could use some kryptonite

[jovial warren]

also, imagine having a Gradle task to calculate the size of your dependencies in your documents folder

thinking about it, anyone want my Kotlin conversion of the original?

gonna put it on a gist

[ocean quartz]

Actually pretty easy to do

[tranquil crane]

documents.size()

[jovial warren]

lol

just cleaning up the code a bit

https://gist.github.com/BomBardyGamer/21d652132b4d811c539b1848966c5940

[prisma wave]

gross

[jovial warren]

wdym

[prisma wave]

u heard me

[jovial warren]

26MB of dependencies on the runtime classpath 🥲

is there a way you can create a JAR without the dependencies in it?

I wanna see how big this is without the dependencies

[prisma wave]

don't use shadow?

[onyx loom]

dont u dare recommend pdm

oh wait it wouldnt even work here 🥲

[prisma wave]

🥲

[onyx loom]

ur forced to recommend slimjar 🙂

[forest pecan]

PdM is OuTdated

im sorry bm

had to spit the truth

[prisma wave]

die

[forest pecan]

🥲

[oak raft]

bm who do you play on ow

[prisma wave]

everyone

rein and ana mostly

[oak raft]

Damn

lmk if u need a healer, you literally can't die when I'm playing healer 😉

[prisma wave]

👀

what rank

[oak raft]

unranked

[prisma wave]

lol

also NA ping 😩

[oak raft]

wtf is 2100 sr

what rank is that

[prisma wave]

gold

[oak raft]

I'm gold 😌

[prisma wave]

not bad

[oak raft]

wbu

[prisma wave]

low diamond on support 😎

[forest pecan]

overwatch sweats

[prisma wave]

dont care

[oak raft]

You're crazy

[onyx loom]

whats the highest in ow

[prisma wave]

gm

[forest pecan]

grandmaster

[onyx loom]

how far is diamond away

[prisma wave]

it's the same as siege and other games afaik

uh

like 1000

[cinder flare]

siege doesn't have grandmaster lol

[prisma wave]

okay similar then

[oak raft]

What does siege have

[cinder flare]

siege has like copper, silver, gold, diamond, champion

[prisma wave]

close enough

[oak raft]

Oh

[onyx loom]

plat too?

[prisma wave]

yes

[cinder flare]

yea plat

[prisma wave]

there's some game that it's similar to

idk what

maybe league

[oak raft]

Valorant

[oak raft]

Clash of Clans 😮

[onyx loom]

lol

nah clash is different

[oak raft]

You wanna join my clan or what

[onyx loom]

im good

[forest pecan]

league's highest is challanger

radiant for valorant

[onyx loom]

i quit clash like a year ago

[oak raft]

What th?

[onyx loom]

11

[oak raft]

I see you

[ocean quartz]

League is iron, bronze, silver, gold, platinum, diamond, master, grandmaster, challenger

[onyx loom]

anything after th9 is just depressing

[forest pecan]

yo you forgot wood elo

wood elo adventures

[oak raft]

advanced club penguin btw

I have yet to try league

[forest pecan]

haha please dont

[ocean quartz]

Yeah don't

[forest pecan]

there is a reason why i switched to valorant

from league

[ocean quartz]

Do yourself a favor

[forest pecan]

Yeah

[oak raft]

Welp

[ocean quartz]

Don't get in it, you'll never leave

[onyx loom]

what did i say remence 🥲

[cinder flare]

league pretty toxic yeah

[forest pecan]

music is good

[onyx loom]

league is just pain

[forest pecan]

and artists are good

but game

shitty

[ocean quartz]

League is great, but we all hate it

[forest pecan]

i listen to the music but dont play the game anymore

[cinder flare]

league has good music?

[forest pecan]

ofc

its highest one got like 350 million views

[cinder flare]

oh

news to me

[forest pecan]

lmao

[onyx loom]

oh i think i know that one

[forest pecan]

mhm

you can guess

[cinder flare]

but what about club penguin music huh

[onyx loom]

i remember my friend showing it to me

[cinder flare]

that shit slapped

[oak raft]

ikr 😫

[forest pecan]

its kda popstars

pretty sure

[ocean quartz]

Me playing league

[cinder flare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5C9dh0PbQ

this was an integral part of my childhood

i vividly remember this event

[oak raft]

Did you ever get the membership?

[cinder flare]

oh yeah dude

for this and POTCO

[oak raft]

I got it for one month and felt like a king 😎

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-mia-question-mark-league-of-legends-missing-gif-17055335

ranked be like

[ocean quartz]

Why is your screen with color?

It's supposed to be black and white

[prisma wave]

can i convert a docker-compose file into a single image

[hot hull]

Remence :3

[prisma wave]

im guessing not

[ocean quartz]

You can do anything you want if you believe in it

[prisma wave]

what i mean is

turn the entire file into a single image

that i can then deploy somewhere else

[onyx loom]

lemmos the docker guy

[hot hull]

Nuking the planet included yes?

[onyx loom]

😳

[ocean quartz]

Ofc

[hot hull]

Great

Will need a few bill as a start to get the rockets needed for this accomplishment

[ocean quartz]

Actually i wonder, how many nukes would it be needed to destroy the entire planet

[cinder flare]

probably not that many to make it uninhabitable

[ocean quartz]

That's too easy, i mean going all out

[onyx loom]

destroying the planet to smithereens

[oak raft]

You’re about to max out 🥴

I’d give u another week and you’ll be max

Cuz ur just that good 🤷‍♂️

[forest pecan]

frosty prolly plays reyna

cause thicc ass

[hot hull]

Fuck no

I play omen

omen bae

[forest pecan]

lmaoooo

[hot hull]

What you laughing at hoe

[forest pecan]

lol

[onyx loom]

?

[forest pecan]

i play reyna

[onyx loom]

ew

[forest pecan]

and jett

[hot hull]

Reyna is broken

[forest pecan]

and sova

and pheonix

but mainly reyna

[hot hull]

daddy brimstone also good

[ocean quartz]

Hot young swain

[forest pecan]

OPEN UP

THE SKIES

[forest pecan]

lmfao

[hot hull]

Oh ffs

[oak raft]

Dude play ranked

[forest pecan]

MOLLY

[hot hull]

I keep forgetting I don't have bypass perms anymore lmao

[oak raft]

I’m genuinely curious as to how far you’d climb

[ocean quartz]

[forest pecan]

here is my face btw

https://tenor.com/view/wardell-valorant-gif-18901652

/s

[hot hull]

Remence, I'm Iron 3 rn

[onyx loom]

is that wardell?

[oak raft]

-.-

[forest pecan]

Yes

Lol

[onyx loom]

lol

[oak raft]

Iron 3?

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/cloud9-tenz-gif-20698488

[onyx loom]

please dont tell me thats tenz

[hot hull]

I keep playing with a few friends who are cracked so we keep getting sweats who rawdog us instantly

[onyx loom]

i swear thats his setup

[forest pecan]

maybe

im a higher rank than Frosty

lol

[onyx loom]

valorant killed my boy tenz 😔

look whats happened to his poor soul 😔

[forest pecan]

🥲

[oak raft]

Valorant is gonna start working on eliminating smurfs soon. Did you see their post?

[onyx loom]

why am i doing this to myself

[oak raft]

Imagine queuing alone when you have me 🙄

[forest pecan]

Match Ready

Do

Doo

Dooo DisA)GHD)AUG

[jovial warren]

someone tell me if/how I can minimise JSON files in the process resources task

[hot hull]

I heard yea

[oak raft]

Excuse me sir we’re talking about video games here

Please move to another channel

[jovial warren]

idgaf

this is dev-general

not games-general

🙂

[forest pecan]

it is now

[oak raft]

So yeah that might help you out

[half harness]

🥶

70 pings

from pulse

[forest pecan]

because

you did ?annoy to me

[half harness]

lol

[forest pecan]

so i do it to you

lol

[half harness]

🙂

it would have been 77 pings if i didn't stop the bot btw

[jovial warren]

lol

[obtuse gale]

who if know in bot discord? (ping me)

[ocean quartz]

?help

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

» Give the helpers some details
» Ask suitable questions
» Be polite
» Wait

Source

Requested by: Matt • help

[jovial warren]

@old wyvern how close to updating slimjar are you rn?

on a scale of 1 to 10

1 being you're a lazy shit and have done fuck all and 10 being you're releasing it rn

[obtuse gale]

here is my code I would like that when I write a message in a specific room its write the message in embed with two reactions the problem is that it spawns it and it does not write the message that I put

bot.on("message", async message => {
    if(message.channel.id === '835156322592751626'){
        message.delete()
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[jovial warren]

#development for 1, and for 2, doubt anyone here knows Discord.JS that well

[old wyvern]

8

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/wqTz.gif

[half harness]

its taking

so

long

[boreal needle]

gradle was faster, they said :P

[onyx loom]

have u tried getting a better pc

[ocean quartz]

Only as fast as the pc running it

Holy shit I don't think I've ever had anything take longer than 1 minute to build

[boreal needle]

buildtools

[ocean quartz]

maven

[onyx loom]

i wonder how fast ant is 🙂

[ocean quartz]

I've seen some pretty fast ants

[coral dagger]

Can someone pleaseee help me? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/607127302010175488/840672835017637908/unknown.png?width=1260&height=115

ughhhhhhhh

[boreal needle]

wrong channel

but what exactly is the problem

[coral dagger]

Okay so Im trying to install 1.16.5 forge on my server

and it says that

[boreal needle]

#minecraft

[jovial warren]

minidigger said the task to remap to Mojang mappings takes ~45 minutes with Gradle 🥲

or it was something like that

[ocean quartz]

Well that's not building

[jovial warren]

true

[ocean quartz]

Decompiling with Mojang maps took me 2 hours

[jovial warren]

🥲

decompiling is rapid with CFR

like it takes me ~10 minutes or so to decompile the entirety of the vanilla JAR

or maybe not even that

and the MC remapper I use doesn't take that long either

maybe SpecialSource and Fernflower are just bad

Fernflower isn't all that great from what I've seen in Spigot decompilation anyway

CFR seems to do a much better job

also, I'm actually stupid

I just realised that out/ in the gitignore will match the out package I have in packet

https://tenor.com/9p1d.gif

[boreal needle]

doesnt it only match the root dir

[jovial warren]

if you put a / in front then yes

[boreal needle]

ah that makes sense

[jovial warren]

without the /, it matches it everywhere inside of the root dir as well

/out/
/api/out
/buildSrc/out
/server/out
```🥲

[boreal needle]

could you not limit to one subdir

/*/out

[jovial warren]

is that what that does?

[boreal needle]

i think so

• vs **

[jovial warren]

yeah that seemed to work

cheers

[boreal needle]

nice

sometimes i have good ideas

surprises me too

[static zealot]

[half harness]

is it bad if I make an instance of a class 100 times per second?

:p

[old wyvern]

Why are you doing that again?

[onyx loom]

what on earth

[half harness]

lmao

i guess thats a yes

[old wyvern]

Depends,

[jovial warren]

what is this? Krypton?

[old wyvern]

Is it continuous?

[jovial warren]

🥲

[half harness]

xD

[old wyvern]

Does it just happen once?

[half harness]

continuous

[jovial warren]

I think "per second" implies the answer to that question Yugi

[old wyvern]

could just be for a short while

[half harness]

basically

for some reason

when i save my bedwars map

all the locations go to world

so i need to make a new GameData instance

to change the world

rn i just set the worlds on deserialization

i have no idea how the worlds change

im thinking of just storing the world name

in GameData

then have a separate getWorld method

which calls Bukkit.getWorld

[static zealot]

100 messages instead of 1

nice

[half harness]

?

[old wyvern]

Store the world uuid

[boreal needle]

is there a java shorthand for a function type that returns the same type that it's provided with

like a Function<String, String>

just playing with some nasty generics, i'd prefer to minimise nesting

[steel heart]

UnaryOperator

although you wouldn't be able to declare ? super, ? extends like you'd be able to do with a normal Function

[boreal needle]

ah thats the one thanks

[steel heart]

:]

[boreal needle]

is that an emily i see?

[obtuse gale]

no

you're prolly colorblind or smth

[boreal needle]

:(

[jovial warren]

imagine not having first class functions smh

[obtuse gale]

epic

[obtuse gale]

wat

[jovial warren]

(String) -> String

[prisma wave]

thats not what she was asking for

[jovial warren]

I swear it was

[boreal needle]

not quite

something without specifying the type twice

ie unaryoperator

[jovial warren]

ah right

[obtuse gale]

epic

[old wyvern]

oh btw @quiet depot , they do specify the convention for project/module names

[obtuse gale]

:o

[prisma wave]

type Unary a = a -> a 😌

[jovial warren]

typealias UnaryFunction<T> = (T) -> T

[old wyvern]

😌

[obtuse gale]

imagine having to define anything

pft

templates ftw

[boreal needle]

imagine not having crazy long generics

[jovial warren]

someone needs to make a kashikinator

[prisma wave]

Someone needs to learn haskell

[boreal needle]

tf is a kashikinator

[prisma wave]

haha good one semigroup mitten

thanks

[jovial warren]

I'm messing around

I mean a machine that generates kashike-style generics

[prisma wave]

weeb

[jovial warren]

because kashike is known for going stupid with generics

[boreal needle]

no u

[jovial warren]

like actually stupid

[boreal needle]

sounds a bit like me ngl

[obtuse gale]

shut up

weeb

[jovial warren]

https://github.com/KyoriPowered/adventure/blob/master/api/src/main/java/net/kyori/adventure/text/BuildableComponent.java#L36 there we go

[prisma wave]

dont speak to me

[half harness]

hi bm

[prisma wave]

YO

[jovial warren]

https://github.com/KyoriPowered/adventure/blob/b90902214cf0f2cb574fbd9501fa0fd08e09a1ef/api/src/main/java/net/kyori/adventure/text/ComponentBuilder.java#L48 gets worse @boreal needle

[boreal needle]

yeah that looks like something id write ngl

ok im not that bad

oop turns out i need to pass a second parameter in my generic function

bifunction time

[obtuse gale]

variadic templates 🤤

[boreal needle]

mmmmm

chonk

[ocean quartz]

My builder is actually pretty much like that as well

[old wyvern]

Imagine not having a compose operator

[jovial warren]

public abstract static final sealed record @interface enum class IAbstractStaticFinalSealedRecordAnnotationInterfaceEnumClassFactoryBuilderProviderInstanceVisitorTypeParameterFactoryAbstractBeanProviderInstanceFactoryBeanProviderInstanceFactoryBeanFactory

[onyx loom]

🤤

oop at its finest

[prisma wave]

sealed record

[prisma wave]

how embarassing

[jovial warren]

yeah because why not

[old wyvern]

ikr

so bad

[prisma wave]

in fact

imagine not having custom operators

[old wyvern]

😫

[half harness]

OY

[old wyvern]

Speaking of which, someone actually wrote a gist with like 20 compose functions for kotlin for different arities xD

[onyx loom]

could u technically make a custom operator with infix

[prisma wave]

pain

[old wyvern]

yea xD

[prisma wave]

only if you are a masochist

[jovial warren]

private static final transient volatile synchronized @NotNull @Nullable Integer ONE = 1;

[old wyvern]

longlonglongs when??

longlonglonglong

longlongdouble

[prisma wave]

you can, but there's only like 3 possible symbols you're allowed to use

[old wyvern]

longdoublelong

doublelonglong

longint

longd

[gusty glen]

I love how intellij just freezes when I try to rename the top function

[hot hull]

You sir deserve to be shot in the kneecaps

[obtuse gale]

😳 😏😉 😘

[hot hull]

What the fuck emily

this is a pg channel.

[onyx loom]

y so

[old wyvern]

c++ 🤮

[obtuse gale]

suuuuuure

[obtuse gale]

die

[old wyvern]

There we go

[prisma wave]

cuz kotlin bad

[obtuse gale]

you deserve to rot in hell

[onyx loom]

y tho

[old wyvern]

longlongintlonglongdouble

Researchers say c++ developers invented morse code with longs and ints

longlngintintintlongintintint

[obtuse gale]

lmao

[onyx loom]

infix fun `>=>` (monad: Monad)

[jovial warren]

public private protected abstract final interface native static strictfp synchronized transient volatile enum sealed record @interface class IAbstractPublicPrivateProtectedAbstractFinalInterfaceNativeStaticStrictFPSynchronizedTransientVolatileEnumSealedRecordAnnotationInterfaceClassBuilderFactoryVisitorTypeParameterInstanceProviderFactoryBean

[prisma wave]

cursed

https://img.bristermitten.me/screen_2021-05-08_22-31-25_QxKK.png

well stuff like this works

it's just kinda ew

[onyx loom]

wym

beatiful

[prisma wave]

🥴

[obtuse gale]

have y'all heard of the s p a c e s h i p o p e r a t o r ?

[prisma wave]

the WHAT

[obtuse gale]

a <=> b

[prisma wave]

huh

[obtuse gale]

it's a spaceship apparently

if you squint hard enough

[sweet cipher]

More like a star wars ship

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-cr-arsequeef-undeadwood-gif-15546127

[prisma wave]

https://img.bristermitten.me/screen_2021-05-08_22-32-55_dbZs.png
ez best programming language in the world

[onyx loom]

😌

[jovial warren]

anyone here ever heard of yoda conditions

[prisma wave]

😌

[ocean quartz]

I wish they'd allow infix to be just the symbols without `` outside of the internal API

[hot hull]

fail the condition it must

[onyx loom]

if only matt

[prisma wave]

it would probably break the parser or something

[onyx loom]

bad parser

they should fix it

[prisma wave]

true

[ocean quartz]

Yeah likely

[jovial warren]

it's when you write conditions like this: ```kotlin
if (5 == someValue)

[hot hull]

Ah the madman way

[prisma wave]

Gross

[obtuse gale]

ffs I just spent like 20 minutes trying to figure out why gradle wasn't fetching the server jar

I didn't add mavenLocal 🥲

[prisma wave]

Classic

[hot hull]

big brain you sure are

[jovial warren]

to find out it was just you being an idiot yeah?

also, @old wyvern status update

[obtuse gale]

funny thing is that it wouldn't be the first time lol

[jovial warren]

ofc it's not

[sweet cipher]

Aren't those to avoid like null pointers?
Like "SomethingIKnowIsn'tNull".equals(getSomePossibleNullValue)

[old wyvern]

Almost there

fixing up a task

[jovial warren]

no

[old wyvern]

gradle is trolling me a bit

[prisma wave]

🤣 🤣 Only on the JVM 🤣 🤣 🤣

[jovial warren]

or is it

maybe

since equals can take nullable values

[old wyvern]

Imagine having null

[prisma wave]

Imagine

[jovial warren]

also, someone please tell me why SRV records suck so bad

[old wyvern]

The so called "null-safe" language

[onyx loom]

haskell - the None-safe language

[prisma wave]

Claims to be "null safe"
Has !!

[old wyvern]

The Safe Language

[ocean quartz]

Don't need to be null safe if it has no nulls

[onyx loom]

😩

[old wyvern]

😌

Maybe monad all the way

[prisma wave]

Maybe Monad on top

[ocean quartz]

Blame Java

[prisma wave]

Absolutely not

[sweet cipher]

I just accidentally clicked control+middle click on Material.valueOf() and now IntelliJ is frozen

[hot hull]

Ştop opening the material enum lol

[static zealot]

ŞŞŞŞŞ

[jovial warren]

https://paste.lucko.me/bhj7YP3AvW this is gonna be fun to implement 🥲

(the rain calculation part)

[static zealot]

just don't add rain

smh

no one likes rain anyways

[jovial warren]

also, FuzzyOffsetConstantColumnBiomeZoomer I wonder if Minecraft has any more absurdly long type names in it

DefaultUncaughtExceptionHandlerWithName

LootItemRandomChanceWithLootingCondition

[prisma wave]

fer·nan·do pó·ov.java

[jovial warren]

@old wyvern status

[old wyvern]

Some more work left

Got gradle to handle multi-module jar-in-jar

[jovial warren]

good

oof build failed

[boreal needle]

my pointlessly overcomplicated excessive command framework works :D

[jovial warren]

nice

imagine not using Brigadier though smh

[static zealot]

😮

[obtuse gale]

nice

[boreal needle]

yeah but why do that when you can not

brig is for sane people

do i look like a sane people

[old wyvern]

🥲

[old wyvern]

[boreal needle]

this might end up in #showcase

[ocean quartz]

Ayy nice, do it!

[jovial warren]

Brigadier is for people with brains

https://tenor.com/GwPo.gif

[forest pecan]

😫

[obtuse gale]

yeah because of the lack of documentation :^)

[jovial warren]

lol

[old wyvern]

🥲

[jovial warren]

does that jar in jar system work yet?

[old wyvern]

Yes

lol

[jovial warren]

where can I find it?

[old wyvern]

Do you mind 500kb?

[jovial warren]

not at all

[old wyvern]

Alright give me some time

writing the extractor

Ill join you in adding it

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/wqTz.gif

[jovial warren]

you got me something I can use yet?

[old wyvern]

😉

[jovial warren]

not liking these wait times so far

gonna be getting a 1 star review on Yelp at this rate

or Trustpilot

[old wyvern]

I think im pretty sure I told you it wasnt complete yet. Almost done, join me in vc if you want ig xD

[forest pecan]

"1.8 pVp Is BeTtEr!"

Also Dkim:

[steel heart]

lol

[ocean quartz]

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoSuchMethodException: org.commonmark.renderer.html.HtmlRenderer$RendererContext.<init>(org.commonmark.renderer.html.HtmlWriter)

Gotta love this shit

[obtuse gale]

\🥲

smh

[jovial warren]

trying to think how I should do the weather API

I want to allow access to set the rain level all the way up to acid rain and beyond

val rain = Weather.weather(Weather.Type.RAIN, 0F)
```🥲 lol

[oak raft]

I need a nice library for kotlin discord bots

any suggestions?

[static zealot]

I think KORD is a thing

I have 0 clue how good it is

I just use JDA

[jovial warren]

JDA works well I find, I think Kord is being maintained by the unofficial Kotlin Discord

[obtuse gale]

should be per world smh

[jovial warren]

yeah dw it is

also, someone please explain why without shadow, my new freshly created project works just fine, and with shadow, it can't find kotlin-stdlib-jdk8

what the actual fuck

[old wyvern]

What in the name of inception....

[spiral junco]

beep

[gusty glen]

I was thinking in license secret-cfg under LGPL, but I think it's too much for a lib? I was reading about it and it seems kinda too much, like forcing the developer to allow the user to replace the part of the code licensed under LGPL

[ocean quartz]

MIT

[gusty glen]

what's the difference between mit and others? better question: why did you choose MIT license

[ocean quartz]

No need to credit, as open source as it gets

Copyright (c) 2012-2021 <NAME>

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to
permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to
the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be
included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND
NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE
LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION
OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION
WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.

[gusty glen]

Why not Apache then?

I'm actually just going to use Apache

[ocean quartz]

Too many conditions 😩

[old wyvern]

Matt

It works

👀

[ocean quartz]

Oh shit really?

[old wyvern]

yesssss

finallylyy

godd

I wasted so much time cause I was using the wrong factory class

xD

jar-in-jar works perfectly now

Just need to remove a few debug messages

Ill leave that for tmr

too late today

3:40

gn

[static zealot]

man Java is so ugly sometimes. 🥲

[lost forge]

Yes it is

[gusty glen]

sometimes

[lost forge]

More like all the time.

Has a mind of its own most of the time as well.

[quiet depot]

if you think that about java...

[static zealot]

there are cases where its fine

[quiet depot]

other languages might be hugely shocking to you

[static zealot]

but sometimes

its so fucking bad

[quiet depot]

java imo is one of the prettier languages

[static zealot]

sometimes it can be very nice. but sometimes my eyes just bleed

[quiet depot]

like with what

I personally find that my eyes nearly always bleed with kotlin code in particular

[static zealot]

well DeluxeMenus xD

[quiet depot]

that's not to say it's a bad language

[static zealot]

with that

[quiet depot]

it's just not nice to look at

[old wyvern]

Yea, my personal opinion is, kotlin is easier to write, java is easier to read

[cinder flare]

with IntelliJ annotations, I find Kotlin just as readable if not more than Java

[old wyvern]

Depends

[static zealot]

hmm Idk. I preffer Kotlin over java. But maybe its bcz I've used Kotlin way more than java

[quiet depot]

intellij annotations are a mixed bag

for me

sometimes they improve readability

sometimes they drastically decrease it

[cinder flare]

I find the little type hints are great honestly

and that's really all that's missing

Kotlin is just more concise than Java, less verbose

[lost forge]

With java I guess it comes down to how it's being codes. Like with the indentations etc... ans how you use whitespace.

[old wyvern]

And more messy sometimes

[cinder flare]

I mean it depends on how you code

[static zealot]

Kotlin can be messy. Like very very messy if used bad

I've seen bad Kotlin code and I wish I never had

[quiet depot]

star do u have a kotlin project I can look at

[old wyvern]

You can look at some of Sxs repos

[cinder flare]

I dunno, my experiences are essentially from the code I've written myself

and I haven't done any real projects with Kotlin

just school stuff

[old wyvern]

Well ofc, reading your own code is easy

[lost forge]

I'm going off code I've tried helping people with...

[cinder flare]

I mean after some time, it certainly seems fresh

[old wyvern]

Reading someone elses code is what im talking about

[quiet depot]

ok ima take a look at sx's code then

[cinder flare]

Coming back to your own code after months feels a lot like someone else's code lol

[old wyvern]

Alright piggy

[cinder flare]

I dunno. I think it also has a lot to do with how familiar you are with the language

We are all primarily Java developers, so it makes sense we're most used to Java

[old wyvern]

Id say im pretty familiar with it

I've been using kotlin for some time now

[cinder flare]

maybe familiar is the wrong word. you've obviously spent drastically more time looking at and writing Java than Kotlin, correct?

[old wyvern]

Yes

[cinder flare]

maybe with the same time investment it could be close to similar

[old wyvern]

Maybe

[static zealot]

why does a String#containsIgnoreCase method not exist? 🥲

[quiet depot]

no clue

[cinder flare]

I have quite a hard time reading Rust code right now but that's because I am quite new and though I technically know what some stuff does, it does not mean I can fully parse things very quickly lol

[static zealot]

Not even kotlin has it

[old wyvern]

Thats not my point star

[static zealot]

and I have no clue why that won't exist

[old wyvern]

I have no issues with the syntax

[quiet depot]

I think I might've got my original point mixed up star

I should've said I think kotlin, the syntax is ugly

[cinder flare]

I think we might all be talking about different things lol

ah yeah

[old wyvern]

Lol

[ocean quartz]

That's awesome! What else is needed now?

[old wyvern]

The self-downloading part ig

[cinder flare]

Honestly, what don't you like about the syntax? I find it much cleaner than Java

[quiet depot]

so many symbols at times