dev-general

[oak raft]

wsp

[half harness]

joining who?

[pale shell]

The discord servers

[half harness]

but u need invite

[obtuse gale]

why are those the only options lmao

[pale shell]

I'll pp bm

[obtuse gale]

what if we just not

[half harness]

🥲

[pale shell]

I'll pay for invite

[oak raft]

Emily

since when were u so SMART

[pale shell]

Bring it here then pls

How did you get that paper thing???

[half harness]

what paper thing?

[obtuse gale]

wat

[pale shell]

There was a paper icon

Next to your search bar

[obtuse gale]

:huh:

[half harness]

trust me.. you don't want to be there
im forced to be there because i was the creator of the server 😩
and if you're the creator u can't leave it

[pale shell]

I'm getting more curious

You can transfer the ownership to me if ya want

[half harness]

n-no thanks

[oak raft]

Nobody is allowed to leave

[half harness]

o

[oak raft]

once you enter, you never get out

[half harness]

it was originally named dkim den

as a joke

bbut

gtg in a few mins

[obtuse gale]

👀

[half harness]

uh

hm

[oak raft]

transfer to emily

emily good owner

[obtuse gale]

:o

[half harness]

emily is mod in too many servers

[pale shell]

Wot

[obtuse gale]

@haskell bad java good No invite links.

[pale shell]

I didn't post one

[obtuse gale]

idc

[half harness]

can't let her form a monopoly

@pale shell No invite links.

[pale shell]

I didn't even post one

[half harness]

@pale shell No invite links.

[obtuse gale]

ya bet

[pale shell]

It bugged out

Get staff to check logs

I wanna join the other discord >:(

[obtuse gale]

oh no you don't

believe me

[pale shell]

Oh but I do

[obtuse gale]

you're already weird enough about BM's pfp

[pale shell]

Nothing can be as bad as what I've seen

[half harness]

Discord.g‫‫‫‫‫g/inviteme

[obtuse gale]

you don't wanna see what's in there

[pale shell]

I do tho

Can I have a preview so I can decide

[forest pecan]

so uh

[obtuse gale]

xD

[pale shell]

Only 10

Cute

[forest pecan]

you guys able to help with github actions?

cause i suck at that

lmao

[pale shell]

Pulse invite please :)

[forest pecan]

n no

you cant handle the lewd

[pale shell]

I will boost it

[half harness]

oh

[oak raft]

Ok so we were talking about having a ton of homemade cream in coffee once

[half harness]

hm

[pale shell]

To the next level

[forest pecan]

actually dont tho cause thats a waste of money

lmao

[half harness]

lol

[pale shell]

I need to waste money

[forest pecan]

🥶

[oak raft]

my paypal is open

if ur down

[forest pecan]

remence no

[pale shell]

Those channel names are cute

[half harness]

my paypal is open

if ur down

[oak raft]

dw man ik

[pale shell]

Look, you guys are over hyping it

[oak raft]

it's not over hyped

just like how haskell isn't overhyped

[pale shell]

I know why ya'll don't wanna send the link. It's because you don't like me and don't want me in that discord or this discord.

[half harness]

what

fine ill send you the invite

but dont say that i didn't warn you...

[pale shell]

It's been proven by people.

[pale shell]

I can cope with anything

[obtuse gale]

I mean sure if you say we don't like you then we won't

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half harness]

accept friend request

[oak raft]

emily dspeaking volumes

[obtuse gale]

since when is sharing invites to do with liking others...

[half harness]

odin when r u going to join

there we go

LMAOOOIO

this is why we didn't want to share the invite link-

uh oh piggy is here

[forest pecan]

i thought you meant that he joined the server

i would shit my pants

[half harness]

LOL

what if piggy joined

[forest pecan]

No no nono

[quiet depot]

wat

[forest pecan]

dont let him join

No non nono

[half harness]

AHHH

NOO

PIGGY

[forest pecan]

dkim dont do it

[half harness]

TURN AWAY

[forest pecan]

dont fucking do it

[half harness]

or

should i invite you?

👀

[forest pecan]

No

[obtuse gale]

Piggy do you wanna join us in the lewd corner?

[half harness]

Piggy join us!

[forest pecan]

NO

[half harness]

Piggy!! 🥺

PiggyPiglet is typing...

[forest pecan]

Piggy is going to ban us

[half harness]

mhm

[forest pecan]

if he joins

[obtuse gale]

loll

[quiet depot]

i would be happy to take a little look

[half harness]

YES

fefo

[obtuse gale]

oh god xD

[forest pecan]

"little look"

no

no

[half harness]

do it fefo

[forest pecan]

piggy

[half harness]

do it fefo

invite him

[forest pecan]

you dont want to do this

[half harness]

if you won't

i will

[forest pecan]

im seriou slmao

[half harness]

invite him

i will give you admin piggy

❤️

[obtuse gale]

done lmao

[half harness]

LMAOOo

this is too funny

quite a reaction!

anyways i gtg too

byee

[oak raft]

Yeah that was interesting

[lost forge]

That's why you always put yourself first and not go out of your way for others.

Some people do.

[oblique heath]

i regularly do that

spam is bad

i wouldn't stress about it

[lost forge]

Then spam her.

[oblique heath]

buy her spam

mail order spam

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spamalert-gif-20933994

[lost forge]

Don't think, Do.

[hot hull]

Ah yes when the String method is deprecated, yet still required

smh

Quick question, what would be the cleanest way of storing a tier of something, let's say I have a value of 3, each of those values to 1 is it's own tier, should I just have a map which dictates that, or?

[steel heart]

What type tiers are we talking elaborate

[hot hull]

Well in this case, enchantment tiers, tiers depend on the enchantments level, so I need a dynamic yet not disgusting way to define that

[prisma wave]

WHAT

[hot hull]

Not sure how exactly since some enchantments are like this

haste:
  level 1 -> tier 1
  level 2 -> tier 2
  level 3 -> tier 3

some other enchant:
  level 1 -> tier 2
  level 2 -> tier 3

[prisma wave]

add a b is infinitely simpler than add(a, b)

[steel heart]

Hmm frosty I mean yeah if it’s per enchant just have a map both types Integer sounds good

[hot hull]

Need to figure out how to make this cleanly configurable, cause fuck hardcoding shit

thoughts tho? https://paste.helpch.at/boqenilire.java

[steel heart]

None

[hot hull]

second one just sounds nicer

[steel heart]

stick with one that’s all

[hot hull]

add both for maximum pog

[onyx loom]

@nonull @notnull @nullable void

[steel heart]

[prisma wave]

Nullability 🤣 🤣 🤣

[cinder flare]

i do think it kind of adds the possibility for confusion though

[onyx loom]

this man really preaching about haskell at 7am

[cinder flare]

there's a reason parentheses exist lol

[prisma wave]

24 hours a day

[prisma wave]

There's nothing saying you can't use parentheses

complexFunction (a b) (c d)

[steel heart]

So what’s your point then?

no , ?

[prisma wave]

Yes and no parentheses unless you need them

i.e Haskell good

[steel heart]

Yes finally some compelling evidence why we should use Haskell

It saves us 1 character!

[onyx loom]

🥲

[prisma wave]

Oh it can save more than just 1!!

[old wyvern]

mhm

AbstractProvidingSupplierFactoryInNearbyCityWithMultipleExits

[cinder flare]

oh okay well that's pretty solid then

[steel heart]

So like what’s wrong with a + b

[old wyvern]

...

[onyx loom]

lmao

[old wyvern]

My man learned haskell for a week to say that

[onyx loom]

dkim just entirely missing the point of fp

[cinder flare]

i mean i don't like rust that much because it uses :: instead of . lmao

[prisma wave]

You can do that too lmao

[old wyvern]

You can also define any operator you want 🙂

Haskell good

[cinder flare]

well can't you also define custom operators in Kotlin?

[old wyvern]

No

[cinder flare]

i don't actually know but it seems like something you could do

[onyx loom]

not entirely

[old wyvern]

Only overload preexisting ones

[cinder flare]

ah I see

[old wyvern]

You cant create new ones

[cinder flare]

well creating new ones does seem a tad confusing

[old wyvern]

Haskell does it well

You specify where you import the operator from

[cinder flare]

people cry that they can't see types at a glance when skimming github repos of Kotlin, but having entire custom operators? holy cow readability

[old wyvern]

import Data.Aeson ((.:))

[old wyvern]

It doesnt really break readability at all

Especially with haskells type system

[cinder flare]

I mean if I've never seen your code before I'd need to understand all the custom operators you have before even attempting to read anything

[old wyvern]

Youd need to do that for any function

[cinder flare]

wdym

[old wyvern]

Youd need to read up on the codebase before understanding any function being called

[cinder flare]

well yes but it's much easier to parse a language of which you know the entire syntax and it does not change than one who allows custom syntax whenever you want

[old wyvern]

Also as I said, its can be very specific about where something comes from

[cinder flare]

I can look at a code snippet some random person sends in #development and get a gist of what they're doing pretty quick

[old wyvern]

That is not custom syntax at all

A lot of languages suppourt user defined operators

[cinder flare]

I don't doubt the power, I'm just saying it seems confusing as all hell when there's a million custom operators you need to get in your head

[old wyvern]

Comment on that once you have tried

[cinder flare]

I mean okay lmao

just saying

[onyx loom]

import Control.Monad 😌

[old wyvern]

😌

[hot hull]

if only java had when :sadge:

[onyx loom]

java 14

[prisma wave]

I find that while I might not understand exactly what the implementation is doing, it's usually clear enough from context to know roughly what it's doing, then you can look up the definition if you need more detail

[hot hull]

forced to java 11

Not even sure if it'll work, but this is fucking disgusting

        final String material = itemStack.getType().name().toUpperCase();
        final String[] components = material.split("_");

        switch (components[components.length - 1]) {
            case "HELMET":
            case "SKULL":
            case "HEAD":
                return HELMET;
            case "CHESTPLATE":
            case "ELYTRA":
                return CHESTPLATE;
            case "LEGGINGS":
                return LEGGINGS;
            case "BOOTS":
                return BOOTS;
            default:
                return null;
        }

[prisma wave]

I can never remember exactly what >=> does but the syntax and use case is enough to give a rough idea

[old wyvern]

Big oof

[jovial warren]

Lol

BM imagine not agreeing to the relicense smh

Oh actually, pig, kinda want your opinion on this if you don't mind

I've decided to relicense the server side of Krypton under LGPL and keep the API under MIT

Left the API under MIT since idrc if that gets stolen, resold, whatever since you can't do anything without the server anyway, but it would kill me to see all of my hours and hours of hard work and effort be sold by some guy on MCM or something without even making any changes

[steel heart]

I will steal your API

[prisma wave]

Who's gonna resell an API

[jovial warren]

feel more than welcome Conclure

[jovial warren]

exactly my reason for leaving it under MIT

[obtuse gale]

Lol there are MaterialTags for those

[jovial warren]

@prisma wave did you even read my justification for the relicense btw?

[oak coyote]

Good to see you actually start to value your own time

[hot hull]

Give it a week

[jovial warren]

well when this project is pretty much the only thing going well in my life at the moment then it’s no surprise

[oak coyote]

Well whatever the reasoning the outcome is positive 👍🏻

[jovial warren]

guess that is true

[jovial warren]

wdym by that

once BM approves, I will not be turning back

[distant sun]

why do you upperCase an enum value lol

[hot hull]

Eat a chicken that's why

[jovial warren]

lol

[hot hull]

But nah look at this beauty I wrote like a year ago https://github.com/Frcsty/DistrictEnchants/blob/master/src/main/java/com/github/frcsty/districtenchants/listener/EnchantmentApplyListener.java

[jovial warren]

not actually awful

better than I expected from you lol

[hot hull]

Bruh eat a dick

smh

[jovial warren]

lol

[hot hull]

That was a year ago, stop bullying

[jovial warren]

someone’s

[hot hull]

I'll show you the new class when I finish it

sadge

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/wqTz.gif

[unkempt tangle]

dont understand anything

[jovial warren]

how is that hard to understand

key * plain text = cipher text

[unkempt tangle]

._.

[jovial warren]

difficulty.exe not found

[lunar cypress]

bit misleading

[jovial warren]

looks like what it says to me

[lunar cypress]

it's not a *

[jovial warren]

what is it then?

looks like a multiplication sign to me

[lunar cypress]

You are talking about the first slide with enc?

[jovial warren]

yes Johnny

[lunar cypress]

Yeah no, that's a function declaration

[jovial warren]

ah

so you give it key * plain text and it gives you cipher text back

[lunar cypress]

enc is a function that maps from a tuple of 2 words from the alphabet {0, 1} of length n to a word of the alphabet {0, 1} of length n

[jovial warren]

ah

[lunar cypress]

x means cartesian product here

[jovial warren]

ah okay

[unkempt tangle]

explain me

not him

[jovial warren]

if you’re struggling, ask your teacher for help, that’s what they’re there for

[lunar cypress]

difficult if you don't say what you don't understand

Is it notation? content?

[cinder flare]

also using pfp's on zoom 😬

[jovial warren]

lol

[cinder flare]

also guys rust is really cool

lifetimes are super interesting

[jovial warren]

can kinda somewhat agree

[cinder flare]

oh? do you not like rust?

[jovial warren]

is a bit confusing to grasp initially

[cinder flare]

well yeah but anything worth doing is a challenge at first

[jovial warren]

not sure if I like the result stuff either

[cinder flare]

Functional programming is a bit confusing to grasp lol

I don't know about the result stuff

what does that mean

[jovial warren]

with everything returning results that represent success or failure

[lunar cypress]

The result type is a union of the Ok and the Err type

[cinder flare]

Oh well that sounds like a boolean with extra steps

[lunar cypress]

no

[cinder flare]

Oh Err?

so does it pass an exception up the chain then?

[prisma wave]

Kinda

Afaik, in rust you either have panics which can't be handled, or Errs which are just wrapped error messages

Or something like that

Idk

[lunar cypress]

eh

panics much like in Go are not recoverable, yes

But Rust does not have exceptions or any notion of passing something up the call stack

(just a bit of syntax sugar to get something similar, namely ?)

Results are values

[prisma wave]

yeah

[lunar cypress]

Whenever there is a computation that may fail, you return a result

[cinder flare]

so you return a Result instead of a Unit?

[prisma wave]

Isn't that pretty much what i said?

[lunar cypress]

It is then up to the caller what to do with it

[prisma wave]

Result = an operation that could fail

[cinder flare]

yeah

[prisma wave]

Option = a value that might not exist

[cinder flare]

but like in a function that does something, you'd return a Result in Rust

when you'd return like a boolean or Unit in like Kotlin

[lunar cypress]

Result = the result of an operation that might fail - either an error or an ok

[lunar cypress]

that's not true

[cinder flare]

okay

i don't know anything

[prisma wave]

Rust has a unit type afaik

[cinder flare]

please correct me lol

[lunar cypress]

If the function does something that may fail, you return a result

Otherwise you can return a bool or the unit type ()

[prisma wave]

Cute

[cinder flare]

but like, it replaces a function that, in Java for instance, would return a boolean indicating success or failure

[lunar cypress]

yes

[cinder flare]

it can also just have an error message

okay

that makes sense

[prisma wave]

Basically

Rust good

[cinder flare]

yeah sounds like it

weird that Bardy doesn't like Results

[jovial warren]

basically

[prisma wave]

Everything in Rust is an expression, and expressions that return "nothing" actually return ()
😌

[jovial warren]

respond to your god damn DMs

[prisma wave]

lol

[cinder flare]

oop

[prisma wave]

Ok sure GPL good apparently

[cinder flare]

quick rundown of LGPL vs MIT?

[jovial warren]

LGPL*

LGPL = GPL but dependents can sublicense

only derivative works cannot sub license

[cinder flare]

Both licenses allow unrestricted usage. The LGPL has extra requirements including source code redistribution and change tracking when modified.

that's MIT vs LGPL

[jovial warren]

MIT allows anyone to do whatever they want with your code

[prisma wave]

why LGPL

[jovial warren]

LGPL requires that derivative works be licensed under the same license

[prisma wave]

what

[lunar cypress]

GPL often causes problems for people who want to use the software

[lunar cypress]

I thought LGPL lifted that?

[jovial warren]

not afaik

just changes the definition of what counts as a derivative work

[prisma wave]

isn't LGPL predominantly for libraries

[cinder flare]

Under the LGPL – which is a weaker version of the GPL – products licensed can be linked to proprietary applications. The proprietary code may still be able to remain proprietary, depending on if the programs are dynamically or statically linked. This license often accompanies free software, allowing it to be incorporated into either free or proprietary software. You’re not required to open up the source code for your own extensions.

[jovial warren]

it’s like GPL for libraries

[jovial warren]

yes, but I want to keep the server side open to be depended on

[prisma wave]

Krypton isn't a library...?

https://stackoverflow.com/a/1114054

[cinder flare]

LGPL just means that if you use it as part of something bigger, the bigger thing doesn't need to be open source

[jovial warren]

technically the server is public API

[cinder flare]

which doesn't make too much sense for Krypton, which is a fully self-contained server

[prisma wave]

This makes no sense

[lunar cypress]

so this is what I thought it would be

[cinder flare]

Nobody's gonna be using all of Krypton then making more? Unless they make something similar to Paper derivatives which I severely doubt

[jovial warren]

I keep the server open so you can depend on it in plugins to make your own adjustments if you want

[prisma wave]

Yeah that seems to be the idea - more permissive GPL

[cinder flare]

it is literally called the Lesser GPL lmao

[jovial warren]

I want plugins that want to depend on the server to be able to use any license, but I want forks to be restricted to using LGPL or GPL only

[prisma wave]

MIT good GPL bad

[jovial warren]

they have their benefits

[cinder flare]

but that's not what LGPL will do

LGPL only allows a larger work to be licensed differently

[jovial warren]

afaik it will

[cinder flare]

So if someone extends Krypton and adds stuff, like Paper did to Spigot, they can license differently

[jovial warren]

maybe we should go for GPL then?

[cinder flare]

I mean

Or just do MIT and not care

[jovial warren]

I want the power to destroy proprietary paid forks at will

[cinder flare]

dude

[jovial warren]

if they ever appear

[cinder flare]

AFAIK there's not a single complete Minecraft server implementation besides Mojangs in existence

[prisma wave]

https://c.tenor.com/mLy36yhCRRgAAAAM/bruh.gif

[cinder flare]

the chance of someone forking your version of the Server and changing it to make it paid? Extremely unlikely

[prisma wave]

Nope, none that are actively maintained anyway afaik

[jovial warren]

I’d rather not take that chance though

[prisma wave]

There's that C++ one but that's only up to 1.12

average "nooo proprietary" fan vs average freedom enjoyer

[cinder flare]

vs "who cares"

it's never gonna happena

[jovial warren]

I do

[cinder flare]

and even if it does, so what?

[jovial warren]

that’s who

[cinder flare]

if they truly do make a better product than Krypton, maybe they deserve it

[jovial warren]

I don’t agree with something that I have spent hours and hours on being stolen and resold

[prisma wave]

case in point: Make a good product and people won't need to fork it

https://c.tenor.com/WJIEOHsnJmkAAAAM/obama-mic-drop.gif

[lunar cypress]

you guys aren't making good arguments

[cinder flare]

If it's stolen and resold, why wouldn't they just download Krypton for free?

[prisma wave]

I know

[jovial warren]

same reason Spigot forks thrive on MCM: people are stupid

[cinder flare]

I mean there aren't many good arguments to be had. It's all just how much you care about what happens and how much you value freedom

[lunar cypress]

I wouldn't want my software be modified for proprietary use only either

[prisma wave]

they thrive on MCM because vanilla server implementation performance is ass

[lunar cypress]

if it's a software that big

[prisma wave]

Sure, proprietary is bad but I doubt there will be much demand for forks

[cinder flare]

Yeah seriously

There's barely demand for Krypton

[jovial warren]

not the point

[prisma wave]

and anyway, LGPL wouldn't stop that afaik

[lunar cypress]

But that's not a reason to decide against this

[cinder flare]

let alone performance forks that people are willing to pay money for

[jovial warren]

I would rather not take that chance

[cinder flare]

I mean it certainly is, no need to be restrictive if it's never gonna happen

[lunar cypress]

That's also not the only thing that can happen...

If the only argument is "it's never gonna happen", then why are you even arguing against it?

You shouldn't care about it then, should you?

[cinder flare]

Because it restricts other stuff

[lunar cypress]

what stuff

[cinder flare]

Anyone making a top-tier fork of Krypton that's free but maybe not open source?

[prisma wave]

Because I am inherently biased against this decision and so I am trying to think of somewhat decent arguments to justify my actions

[cinder flare]

Maybe they want to use a different license

Also BM has a point

lol

[prisma wave]

🥲

[jovial warren]

not something I want to allow

[cinder flare]

oh yikes

I mean this all boils down to your views on open source

[obtuse gale]

HI

😦

[jovial warren]

I want my code to remain free and open for anyone to use

[prisma wave]

Hi

[prisma wave]

It still will

[cinder flare]

It will lol

[lunar cypress]

If you're making a fork of an open source software that's not open source, chances are it's shit

[cinder flare]

MIT ensures that

[jovial warren]

MIT cannot give me any protection

[obtuse gale]

will i get help here?!

[cinder flare]

What if Hypixel wanted to use Krypton?

[cinder flare]

#general-plugins

[lunar cypress]

then they're out of luck if they want to make proprietary changes lol

[obtuse gale]

mental help

[jovial warren]

then they can make an OS fork with their changes, or better yet, contribute to the project

[lost forge]

For plugin help #general-plugins for development help #development

[cinder flare]

yeah and that stifles adoption and growth I think

[lunar cypress]

It really won't

[cinder flare]

That's not what I think

[lunar cypress]

You said yourself it's not gonna happen anyway

1 minute ago

[obtuse gale]

mental help

[lunar cypress]

so decide

[cinder flare]

Again, this all boils down to your personal opinions on free and open source software

[jovial warren]

and so does your argument too

[cinder flare]

Bardy sure thinks it might happen

[quiet depot]

@obtuse gale that's not what this server is for

[obtuse gale]

😦

[hot hull]

I could use some mental help

[cinder flare]

Yeah? That's what I'm saying

none of this matters

you're gonna do whatever restrictive license you think is right

and BM and I will be sad about it

[prisma wave]

Understandable

[jovial warren]

I want to try and make sure it won’t

[lunar cypress]

for no apparent reason

[prisma wave]

indeed

[obtuse gale]

oh

[cinder flare]

I like the free part of FOSS

[obtuse gale]

im so sorry

😦

[prisma wave]

lol

A Haskell joke would probably be in poor taste

[jovial warren]

GPL is free

[prisma wave]

So uh

[obtuse gale]

so bye 😦

[cinder flare]

not as free as MIT

[prisma wave]

Good luck with whatever you're looking for

[quiet depot]

gpl is bordering on being a contract

[hot hull]

Just make your own license

[jovial warren]

in fact, it’s arguably more free than MIT, since it allows for your software to remain free

[lunar cypress]

I don't think you know what free refers to here

[cinder flare]

oh?

[lunar cypress]

It does not refer to any company using unpaid work for profit

it refers to end user freedom

[prisma wave]

The USA was in fact just teaching Vietnam how to be free

[cinder flare]

My definition of free is anyone is free to do whatever they want with the code

[lunar cypress]

Yeah well it's not the definition used by FOSS

[cinder flare]

Apparently yours isn't

[jovial warren]

and GPL gives you the power to make sure that your free and open-source software stays as free and open-source software

[prisma wave]

Glasgow Haskell compiler uses BSD therefore BSD good

[quiet depot]

gpl doesn't prevent people from selling it wot

[lunar cypress]

Do you think I'm making this up?

[cinder flare]

What?

I don't know what the definition of FOSS is exactly lmao

You seem much too invested in this discussion

[lunar cypress]

what now?

[jovial warren]

I guess that is correct, still means you can get it for free though, since it will stay OS, so technically still free

[lunar cypress]

You said "I like the free in FOSS" then I just pointed out that you don't know what the "free" there means

[cinder flare]

I made an assumption of what the free meant?

Holy shit dude we're just talking

[lunar cypress]

what do you think I'm doing exactly?

[cinder flare]

No need to point out the logical fallacies in my quickly garbled sentences lmao

[quiet depot]

star ngl I don't think johnny is being the defensive one here

[cinder flare]

He's not

He's extra offensive lol

[prisma wave]

thanks

[cinder flare]

I definitely do not speak in perfect sentences with no flaws

[lunar cypress]

I didn't point out a logical fallacy, I just tried to clear up what we're talking about

[cinder flare]

I just like MIT

[quiet depot]

I think you're overreacting

[lunar cypress]

I'm what now?

lol

[jovial warren]

I like MIT too, just not here

[cinder flare]

also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software

Free software is a matter of liberty, not price; all users are legally free to do what they want with their copies of a free software (including profiting from them) regardless of how much is paid to obtain the program.

[jovial warren]

I want to protect hours and hours of work

[prisma wave]

Just make it proprietary smh

Ez

[lunar cypress]

The right to study and modify a computer program entails that source code—the preferred format for making changes—be made available to users of that program

[jovial warren]

by that definition, GPL is kinda more free than MIT

[cinder flare]

fucking what

[jovial warren]

since GPL gives you the extra bonus of ensuring that your software stays free

[prisma wave]

this is about to turn into an argument of semantics

[cinder flare]

but that restricts what you can do with it

[prisma wave]

knew it

[quiet depot]

taking away freedoms to make something free

[cinder flare]

The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this```

[jovial warren]

I want to ensure that my work stays free and open-source for all to use

[prisma wave]

it still will

Whatever licence

[cinder flare]

By restricting the freedom of people who modify and improve your source code

[lunar cypress]

Really couldn't care less about some company not being able to make profit off my software without sharing the code

[hot hull]

Y'all are spending way too much time and energy on this :kek:

[jovial warren]

and none of you here arguing against me even have significant contributions worth protecting anyway

[prisma wave]

pfffffff

[quiet depot]

@prisma wave these arguments over the last couple days have confused the bejeebers out of me, I literally can't tell what side people are on, and what the sides are most of the time

people go from agreeing to disagreeing instantly

[prisma wave]

yeah lmao this is confusing

[cinder flare]

well I mean it is a good sign when people change sides and opinions improve as they obtain new knowledge

[prisma wave]

that is true

[jovial warren]

and GPL respects and allows all 3 of those

[quiet depot]

from my eyes it seems like the side switching is more due to misinterpretations, i.e. people misinterpret, pick a side, then when they realise what the original person was trying to say, they switch back

[prisma wave]

sounds about right

[cinder flare]

yeah I could see that

[lunar cypress]

I am on no ones side, idk what this child-like thing is everybody here makes out of it

[prisma wave]

I miss when dev-general was just circlejerking

now it's just

☹️

[hot hull]

It's sad yes

[lunar cypress]

You literally say anything here and people throw stuff at you for being too defensive, too offensive or anything in between

[hot hull]

Arguing about dumb shit when in the end it doesn't even matter

[lunar cypress]

While you're just trying to have a normal discussion lol

[jovial warren]

you guys don’t understand, Krypton has sentimental value to me, it’s the only thing I have that’s going well in my life, it would kill me to see someone else steal what I have and proprietarise and resell it

[cinder flare]

Well what I've gathered from this conversation is such:
BM and I both think absolute freedom is the best, as the MIT license allows.
Bardy thinks restricting freedom to ensure freedom of derivatives is best, as GPL allows.
Johnny doesn't care as much about absolute freedom but still is pretty solid free.
Frosty is a memer.
Piggy is confused.

that's about it

[lunar cypress]

just so you know, re selling Krypton would not be prevented by GPL

[jovial warren]

yes ik

[hot hull]

Frosty is a memer.
spot on

[jovial warren]

that’s why I said reselling and proprietarisation together

I want to feel in proper control of my code

[prisma wave]

My opinion is that unless you're actually prepared to take out a lawyer to sue someone if necessary, just suck it up and hope it doesn't happen

[jovial warren]

I would be willing to do something like that if it was worth it BM

[prisma wave]

what hire a lawyer cuz someone sells a krypton fork for $50?

[lunar cypress]

you can still have some form of principle

[prisma wave]

Sure

[jovial warren]

if they violate the terms of the license then I will take action

because it is my legal right to do so

[lunar cypress]

amen brother 🇺🇸

[jovial warren]

lol

[prisma wave]

based?

[jovial warren]

what does that mean BM?

if you mean what that claim is based on, read GPL for yourself

[prisma wave]

🥲

[jovial warren]

I, as one of the copyright holders of Krypton, have a right to ensure that the terms of that license are not violated

[sweet cipher]

Obviously the solution here is to make krypton forks yourself and sell those

[jovial warren]

lol

then I would be violating my own license

[distant sun]

My favorite license is "who steal my code his mother is a wh***" 🤷‍♂️

[jovial warren]

lol

[lunar cypress]

whoever stole that code, your mum's a hoe

[jovial warren]

if you don’t agree to have your contributions relicensed anyway BM, your contributions can stay MIT licensed

[prisma wave]

that sounds aids

[cinder flare]

ooh that's gonna get real confusing real fast lol

[prisma wave]

Just change it idc

Hrypton will be MIT license btw :)

[cinder flare]

awe yeah baby

[jovial warren]

so you give me your explicit permission to relicense your contributions under the terms of the GNU General Public License?

[cinder flare]

please sign on the line

[jovial warren]

lol

[jovial warren]

lol

[prisma wave]

Sure yeah

[jovial warren]

right then, I think I have all 3 contributors’ permission now, so I can finally merge that PR after I change the license to GPL

thanks BM

[onyx loom]

congrats

what a worthy discussion about a worthless license

[obtuse gale]

🙂

[jovial warren]

Lol

[hot hull]

lol

Anyone know what the replacement for this is?

[cinder flare]

quick question: what exactly does elision mean?

I see it used a lot in terms of Rust

It seems like just being less explicit?

[lost forge]

setCurrentItem maybe?

[hot hull]

That's a different thing

Inventory event is whole types of fucked

[lunar cypress]

synonym for omission afaik

You leave things out

[cinder flare]

Ah okay that makes sense

Cause this guy uses it when not explicitly defining lifetimes of stuff

[lunar cypress]

You aren't reading "How to implement a linked list in rust", are you?

[cinder flare]

No, https://fasterthanli.me/articles/a-half-hour-to-learn-rust

Why is that a bad article?

[lost forge]

InventoryInteractEvent#getWhoClicked()#setItemOnCursor()

[lunar cypress]

no it's pretty much a book

[cinder flare]

oh dang

cause Rust isn't OOP right?

it just has structs?

[lunar cypress]

because it's so tedious to do in rust

[hot hull]

sheesh, will test

[cinder flare]

so linked list kinda funky yeah

[lunar cypress]

no oop is not the problem

you can do a linked list easily in c

the problem is lifetimes

[cinder flare]

oh is it cause of lifetimes?

ah

can you like, transfer ownership to the linked list then?

[lunar cypress]

the problem is the whole self referential stuff

[cinder flare]

oh I see yeah cause Nodes contain pointers to other the next Node

[lunar cypress]

It's actually an interesting read, though I've never read it in full

https://rust-unofficial.github.io/too-many-lists/

[cinder flare]

let me just bookmark that thank you!

[hallow crane]

I'm trying to understand this convo and I scrolled up 1h and still can't

who copied who's code

[cinder flare]

aren't Vectors a growable list of stuff? Are they not implemented with linked lists?

[lunar cypress]

they aren't

[prisma wave]

Probably similar to ArrayList in the implementation

[lunar cypress]

well they are growable arrays basically

[cinder flare]

oh okay I see

[lunar cypress]

like std::vector

[cinder flare]

is the linked lists book good for people who have essentially never used Rust before? cause there seems like a lot of stuff I am not very solid on is contained in Rust

[lunar cypress]

yeah it's for beginners too

perhaps a bit difficult without knowing some basic syntax already though

[cinder flare]

ah okay. well I will probably end up reading this since it seems very useful in understanding the differences with lifetimes vs like every other language

[winter iron]

How can i get the players client version. I see there is Player#getProtocolVersion which is what i need but when people connect with viabackwards/rewind, the protocol version is the servers version

I need the true client version

[obtuse gale]

VV API probs

[winter iron]

Ah thanks

Didn't see an api link on the spigot page

but its onm the docs

i shall give it a shot

[obtuse gale]

https://jd.viaversion.com/overview-summary.html

[hot hull]

hocon makes shit so much nicer

[half harness]

Is it possible to get the player version before the player connects to the server? VIaAPI returns the latest version (or server version) 90% of the time, 10% returning the actual client version

and by "before the player connects" i mean "before the login message shows up and the player joins the world"

[lost forge]

Could use something like ((CraftPlayer) player).getHandle().playerConnection.networkManager.getVersion(); Not sure though

[half harness]

thanks 🙂
@half harness just to remind myself

[dawn hinge]

@half harness better to be safe

[half harness]

lol

so iirc, you need to cache reflection lookups

soo uh

also how would I cast to CraftPlayer without buildtools?

(reflection)

[distant sun]

Class.forName ig

[half harness]

for casting

I have to do Class#cast(Player)?

[obtuse gale]

I mean with reflection there's no point in casting

[half harness]

oh

[obtuse gale]

the Player object already is a CraftPlayer

and if you use Class#cast you'll end up with an Object anyway

so

you gotta get a fuck ton of methods and fields and invoke all of them

[half harness]

hm

do I have to cache getHandle too? and playerConnection?

[obtuse gale]

all reflection lookups

lookups = slow

[half harness]

just googling then I'd do Method#invoke(instance)

[jovial warren]

Just depend on the server and create adapters

Ez

[half harness]

wat

[prisma wave]

Man at this point just use Groovy

[half harness]

wat

[prisma wave]

Dynamic typing

[jovial warren]

Groovy Mitten?

[prisma wave]

Absolutely not

[jovial warren]

Lol

[prisma wave]

Sadly groovy lacks important concepts such as Semigroups

But

It's better than nothing

[jovial warren]

Better than Kotlin?

Now that's a tough one

[cinder flare]

what actually is a semigroup? is it similar to a monad?

[prisma wave]

It's similar to a monoid

A type a is a Semigroup if it provides an associative function (<>) that lets you combine any two values of type a into one. Where being associative means that the following must always hold:

(a <> b) <> c == a <> (b <> c)

Monoid = Semigroup + a "unit" value

[lunar cypress]

yup

Group = Monoid + every element has an inverse

(+ commutativity)

wait no

that's not always a requirement

only for Abelian groups

[prisma wave]

Uhhh

Yeah 😅

[lunar cypress]

Ring = Group + Semigroup

[jovial warren]

I hope Rust doesn’t have any of these strange concepts

[prisma wave]

🤣

Rust harder than Haskell

Unironically

[hot hull]

IJ on crack?

[prisma wave]

no guaranteed referential transparency

therefore it has to give the warning

[hot hull]

fair enough

[cinder flare]

Sorry, so is that the warning that that list is never empty?

[prisma wave]

probably that it's nullable

[cinder flare]

ah I see

that makes a lot more sense

[hot hull]

yea nullable

[jovial warren]

There is a very very small chance that the nullability of that list could change between the null check and the empty check

[hot hull]

Very very unlikely that it actually would

[prisma wave]

no guaranteed referential transparency

[jovial warren]

What is referential transparency?

Exactly what I just described?

[prisma wave]

In other words, it can't guarantee that lore() will return the same value every time

[jovial warren]

Ah

[prisma wave]

referential transparency = same inputs => same output

[jovial warren]

Ah right

So the reference never changes

[prisma wave]

pretty much

[jovial warren]

Since there is no such thing as true immutability

[prisma wave]

I am of course obligated to mention that this is something Haskell guarantees

[cinder flare]

and it seems like Rust can too in a lot of places

though don't quote me on that

[jovial warren]

Probably by holding an immutable reference

[prisma wave]

everything is immutable

[jovial warren]

Since computer memory itself is not immutable

[prisma wave]

And no side effects therefore everything is referentially transparent

[jovial warren]

Ah

[cinder flare]

Dang Bardy's got a point. What if the atoms in our RAM sticks swap around and change the value of our lore to null?

[jovial warren]

Lol

[cinder flare]

Nothing in life is immutable

[lunar cypress]

Dear "functional" programmers,
you claim your languages are immutable, yet you run your programs on a computer?
Curious.

[jovial warren]

Lol

[hot hull]

lol

[jovial warren]

Facts

[cinder flare]

yeah hey what if Windows decides to fuck with your memory?

[hot hull]

death is

[cinder flare]

Better build HaskOS

[hot hull]

Well the inevitable point of death is

[jovial warren]

You know that immutability is like security here, it's code that is enforcing it

[quiet depot]

nah g

just don't die

[cinder flare]

I mean, operating systems can do whatever they want surely? It's their memory they're partitioning out in the first place

[lunar cypress]

do I have to say anything or can you already imagine what could come next

[hot hull]

Damn that's smart Piggy

[oak raft]

Just keep breathing 🌚

[cinder flare]

Haskintosh computers? 😮

[prisma wave]

Need to go back to the good old days of neckbeard professors designing niche functional CPU architectures

[cinder flare]

There's such thing as a functional CPU architecture?

[jovial warren]

Still no immutability though

[prisma wave]

not a mainstream one

[jovial warren]

Ez

[cinder flare]

What would it even be like? All ROM?

[quiet depot]

HC-CPU

where's it at

[prisma wave]

Dear Kotlin "users"
You claim you have null safety, and yet any part of memory could hold a null pointer with no issue...
Curious...

[jovial warren]

Because we can allocate memory without writing any memory

[serene cave]

Hello

I am the president of the united states

[quiet depot]

cap

[cinder flare]

former

[serene cave]

No cap

[serene cave]

nop

still

[cinder flare]

Mr. Former President, what are your thoughts on Functional CPU architectures as well as a HaskOS?

[jovial warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0wKv5CPtA

[serene cave]

Haskell is a very good language

[unkempt tangle]

Like my reaction towards my virgonity

[serene cave]

Haskell developers are rewarded with free scholarship

[quiet depot]

to where?

[cinder flare]

Aren't... all scholarships free?

[jovial warren]

This has to be BM undercover no cap

[quiet depot]

don't look too deeply into the words of this wise man star

[unkempt tangle]

What's a scholarship?

[serene cave]

Haskell is a very good language

[jovial warren]

Didn't deny it

[serene cave]

No

Joe Biden

this cant be

[cinder flare]

money to go to uni

[serene cave]

Im not a hoe

[prisma wave]

Based

[cinder flare]

The duality of man

[prisma wave]

It's not

[serene cave]

I am not hoe and I like Haskell

Haskell is a very good languag

I am the president of the united states

[quiet depot]

this is a great introduction

that's how you should introduce yourself to people irl

[cinder flare]

the two H's!

[hot hull]

@jovial warren should work, don't bully too hard https://paste.helpch.at/zimusimepo.java

[serene cave]

Yes

[jovial warren]

Apart from it being in Java, looks fine to me

[cinder flare]

pub struct Trump {
    hoe: Boolean,
    haskell: Boolean,
}```

[hot hull]

I will slap you

[serene cave]

no

I will slap you first

[hot hull]

Not you

Don't even know who you are

[serene cave]

I am the presidnet of the united states

[serene cave]

I am trump

[cinder flare]

please refer to my Rust code up above

[hot hull]

A hoe

I see

[serene cave]

No

Joe is a Hoe

[cinder flare]

well that's the template

hold on

[hot hull]

I mean I don't live in murica so I couldn't give less fucks :p

It's nice not having to sell a kidney to ride in the weewoo wagon

[serene cave]

Now you do

@cinder flare why are you using CLion

you need to use

HLion

smh

[cinder flare]

does... JetBrains make a haskell IDE?

I was just using IntelliJ for Haskell stuff

[serene cave]

go make one

[half harness]

no, u can use haskell plugin though

[cinder flare]

pub struct President {
    hoe: Boolean,
    haskell: Boolean,
    current: Boolean,
}

fn main() {
    let trump = President {
        hoe: false,
        haskell: true,
        current: false
    };

    let biden = President {
        hoe: true,
        haskell: false,
        current: true
    };
}```

got it guys

presidents: down

[serene cave]

Nope, current: true

for me

I am very good

[cinder flare]

that unironically helped me learn Rust ngl

[serene cave]

I will ban you from america

And send you to

mars

[hot hull]

That'd be neat

[serene cave]

if you dont set current to true

[cinder flare]

I mean, that wouldn't be too bad actually

[hot hull]

Yesn't?

[cinder flare]

that contrast

it's gone

[hot hull]

:what:

[serene cave]

Frosty

[hot hull]

The code's contrast is much nicer

[cinder flare]

pub struct President {
    hoe: Boolean,
    haskell: Boolean,
    current: Option<Boolean>,
}

fn main() {
    let trump = President {
        hoe: false,
        haskell: true,
        current: None
    };

    let biden = President {
        hoe: true,
        haskell: false,
        current: Some(true)
    };
}```

[serene cave]

No

[hot hull]

tf is an Option

[serene cave]

Still not good nope

[cinder flare]

it doesn't say you're not current

[cinder flare]

Either something or nothing

[serene cave]

Fine

[cinder flare]

null but prettier as far as I've seen

[serene cave]

but

[hot hull]

Optional ?

[cinder flare]

yeah

[lost forge]

Add the rock. He should be president

[cinder flare]

alright guys one sec

[hot hull]

Debatable

[cinder flare]

    let star = President {
        hoe: true,
        haskell: true,
        current: Some(false)
    };```

[lost forge]

Lol

[cinder flare]

Rust's pointer types must always point to a valid location; there are no "null" references. Instead, Rust has optional pointers, like the optional owned box, Option<Box<T>>. that makes more sense

[serene cave]

nope

[cinder flare]

can't have NPE's if Null doesn't exist!

[serene cave]

all Rust pointer

point to me

Because Im sexy

and I know it

[cinder flare]

oh yea yea

[lost forge]

Every time someone says Rust all I think of is the COD map...

[hot hull]

lol

[serene cave]

@half harness

get back in here

[cinder flare]

Every time someone says C all I think of is the letter...

[hot hull]

What is this kotlin propaganda again

[half harness]

if you use kotlin withot a java lib and withotu using !! its impossible to get NPE 🙂

[prisma wave]

🤣

[lost forge]

If you don't code, it's impossible to get any errors ;)

[serene cave]

Or

If you come to America

you wont get errors

We will solve your NPE

[lost forge]

Ill pass. Rather go to the moon. Would be more exciting...

[prisma wave]

So true

[half harness]

hmm... true

[serene cave]

In muerica

We promote

Haskell

[prisma wave]

Oh no

[cinder flare]

oh god

[half harness]

where

[jovial warren]

Lol

[half harness]

bm

where

[prisma wave]

DMs

[half harness]

lol

[hot hull]

Just

Wait what BM, why do I not have you added as a friend

[half harness]

🥲

frosty add me too 🥺

[ocean quartz]

Because he turned into a weeb!

[half harness]

mATT UR pFP

WhAT is UR pFp

[ocean quartz]

Law

[half harness]

hey at least u dont look scary anymore

[ocean quartz]

How was my last one scary?

[half harness]

it was a joke

[hot hull]

All these new pfps are making me confused

[prisma wave]

🙄

[half harness]

aww im not ur friend either matt

D:

yay

[cinder flare]

Both Adora and I will stay strong!

english is hard

[hot hull]

What's hard is my question as to why I have so many vandal skins

[oak raft]

🤩

[cinder flare]

dude this rust book is hilarious

https://i.imgur.com/vfG2oql.png

https://i.imgur.com/tRx968e.png

[ocean quartz]

Me doing rust for the first time ^

[cinder flare]

dude I'm just going along and typing what he wants me to type

this is all a lot to take in lol

[hot hull]

head
desk

lol

[cinder flare]

it is quite accurate the logical leaps this requires when you're used to Java or C

[lost forge]

Haha, have that and a bot in the background playing music, then all you need is the snacks.

"Some stupid vc"

Lol

But yeah, cool feature.

[half harness]

epic vc name

[cinder flare]

whatchu tryina watch efe 👀

[obtuse gale]

naked yoga

[half harness]

alone in the vc 🥲

[obtuse gale]

"and only available on YouTube" haha ya bet

[open shell]

anyone ever heard of a NAD exploit?

[hot hull]

¸Not a dildo?

[open shell]

fair enough

[prisma wave]

wat

[open shell]

on a more serious note

[obtuse gale]

dildos?

[open shell]

oh images. hang on

[obtuse gale]

dildo images?

dragon dildos?

[open shell]

https://imgur.com/a/ShG2PBp

[obtuse gale]

https://imgur.com/a/ShG2PBp

that's not a dildo indeed

lmao

no one would fall for that shit

no one with more than 3 active brain cells

[open shell]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obtuse gale]

that accounts for less than 10% of people asking for support

so yea

most are fucked lol

[hot hull]

Atleast he was honest about what he was trying to do lol

[obtuse gale]

yeah that was a stupid move lol

[open shell]

^ made me question it even more

hence why I am asking it in here to begin with

[lunar cypress]

Peak comedy lol

[jovial warren]

lol

[prisma wave]

https://nipafx.dev/java-record-semantics/

Java good kotlin bad

[obtuse gale]

🙏

off to a great start lol

[ocean quartz]

Did they really need to use that horrible font lol

[prisma wave]

hey you can change the CSS if you care so much

[obtuse gale]

you're muddying your design and chances are good that it will come back to bite you. So don't.

(Sorry for the harsh words, but it needed to be said.)

... harsh? :wat:

[hot hull]

How is that harsh lol

[obtuse gale]

we live in a society

people have sensitive clenching anuses I guess

[cinder flare]

I thought Kotlin used Java records?

[jovial warren]

yeah they make the argument in there that Lombok's @Data annotation is better than Kotlin's data class, and can arguably be better than records themselves

[jovial warren]

Kotlin has backwards compatibility back to Java 6 lol