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cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:05 AM

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i mean you kinda lose the benefit of a treeset if you don't maintain it

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if you get a stream of similarities and pipe them into a treeset just to immediately take the top out, that's not a good use

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you should look into sorting algorithms for that

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:05 AM

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the optimization I was looking for was here

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that method is nlogn

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:06 AM

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that just sorts numbers?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:06 AM

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yep

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:06 AM

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oh yeah that's the best you're likely gonna get

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cause quicksort is n log n

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:07 AM

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do you remember the o(n) plan I had though?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:07 AM

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not at all

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:07 AM

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the number we're sorting by is a double (0., no +1 value)

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we can convert that safely to a long without losing data

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the idea from there was to then find a 64 bit array implementation and use the natural ordering of the array to sort the numbers, and their corresponding byte array

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i.e. the double we convert to a long is used as an index in the array

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and at that index in the array, is the byte array

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problem was with this idea though is memory usage

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:09 AM

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True

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:10 AM

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so wait hold on, we're sorting doubles attached to byte arrays?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:10 AM

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ye

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the double represents the similarity between the inputted byte array, and the stored byte array

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:11 AM

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that's a big array

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:11 AM

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yep

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that's why I didn't go that route

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:11 AM

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what's the range of numbers that those longs could end up being

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:12 AM

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i think just quicksorting would be a lot faster than iterating through like 6 million array slots every single time

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:12 AM

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ivan I don't believe it's possible to predict a range like that

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Long.MAX_VALUE - 0

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:12 AM

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oh so all the way to the max value

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:12 AM

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yep

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it's really not a feasible solution

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:13 AM

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yeah

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what exactly do these values represent anyways

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:13 AM

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the doubles or the byte arrays?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:13 AM

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well both i guess

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but i'm more curious about the doubles

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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double = similarity between input byte array & stored byte array

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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cinder flare i think just quicksorting would be a lot faster than iterating through like 6 mi...

Quicksort does that as well tho technically

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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basically we're got a big list of byte arrays and an input

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end goal is to sort the list against the input

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via the double, which is generated by comparing the input and each individual byte array

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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If an o(n) is possible that should be considerably faster

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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old wyvern Quicksort does that as well tho technically

i mean no it doesn't, it just iterates through the list

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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i see

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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old wyvern If an o(n) is possible that should be considerably faster

it is possible

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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is the goal to sort the entire list of byte arrays every time

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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I just need to figure out a way to implement it that doesn't require a max size 64 bit array

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 AM

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we're talking like all the way to Long.MAX_VALUE here

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:15 AM

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as in, do you need to return the entire collection of byte arrays every time

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or just the top x

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:15 AM

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yes

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:15 AM

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i mean honestly, it doesn't sound like you need a whole lot of precision here

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:15 AM

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cinder flare i mean no it doesn't, it just iterates through the list

It does

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Im confused about what you mean rn star

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:15 AM

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I want to return the entire collection every time

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:15 AM

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hmm

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:15 AM

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Quick sort visits all elements as well

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 AM

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old wyvern It does

no like, quicksort iterates through the list which would be like a few thousand each time or something. in his idea we'd convert the doubles to long and you'd have to iterate to like the 6 billionth slot to find the first one

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 AM

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ideally you'd have some magical way to prepare the collection in advance, before you actually get to sorting it

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 AM

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wym prepare?

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prepare it in what way

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 AM

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i mean that's the problem ivan, we need to generate a new list of similarity score per query

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 AM

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like leave less work for the sort to perform

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 AM

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fyi, not that I think it's relevant, but these byte arrays are ascii strings

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:17 AM

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cinder flare no like, quicksort iterates through the list which would be like a few thousand ...

hmm

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:17 AM

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pig, how close in decimal values are these numbers?

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like do you have any examples

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:17 AM

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no

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:17 AM

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uym

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hmm

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:17 AM

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it should vary hugely

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:17 AM

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how big are the byte arrays

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out of curiosity

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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they're ascii strings

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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okay so nothing within like, 0.001 of eachother?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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so "average string length"

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definitely not star

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Btw piggy docdex is backed by mongo right?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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what's an average string length

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xd

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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yes yugi

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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okay so who needs all this precision

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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exactly ivan

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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ah 🥲

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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just convert to int and truncate all but like 4 decimal places

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then do your array thing

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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that's still a huge array

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:18 AM

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no it's not?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:19 AM

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it's not?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:19 AM

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yeah but the first entry will be like 300 or something

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it doesn't matter the size of the array

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you just go till you find the first item

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:19 AM

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it's 10000 elements if it's truncated to 4 decimals

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:19 AM

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oh wait i thought the elements were gonna be the 4 decimal places

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dont mind me

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:19 AM

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Is there no way to define the query to mongo itself with the sorting in place?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:19 AM

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well no because he has to calculate the similarity in the program yugi

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mongo just returns a list of the possible strings it could be

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:20 AM

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If he can get the score in the query itself he could get mongo to do it I assume

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Wouldnt that be faster?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:20 AM

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i mean probably not

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:20 AM

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i like star's idea of truncating the doubles

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:20 AM

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i'm not following yugi

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:20 AM

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mongo probably has to quicksort too

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 AM

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oblique heath i like star's idea of truncating the doubles

it has the added advantage of being able to change how well sorted each portion of the results is

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 AM

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You use lev distance for the Algorithm right?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 AM

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no

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 AM

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so for the bottom 50(?) percentiles maybe you don't demand 100% accuracy with the sorting

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Oh you changed it?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 AM

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I use a modified jaro winkler implementation

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Hmm

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 AM

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okay maybe I don't understand what's happening here, but in my understanding whenever someone types a query, it generates a long map of closeness scores to the original paired with the result

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 AM

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yes

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 AM

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piggy how important is it for the result to be perfectly in order

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 AM

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those closeness scores look like 0.1, 0.22, 0.2345, 0.44, 0.567, 0.7889, 0.999

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 AM

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without any chance of one result being slightly off

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 AM

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ivan it's probably not that important

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 AM

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then truncating the doubles sounds like a really good solution

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 AM

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I should've mentioned earlier that these "optimizations" are purely my curiosity

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there's not actually any performance issues in docdex

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 AM

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because that's what truncating the doubles would do

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 AM

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it performs extremely well for what it does

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 AM

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imagine if it performed better!

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 AM

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and due to these optimizations being purely my curiosity

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I want them to be perfect

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 AM

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cinder flare those closeness scores look like 0.1, 0.22, 0.2345, 0.44, 0.567, 0.7889, 0.999

yes?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 AM

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truncating digits, or returning a top k, while in practice, probably wouldn't effect the end results at all

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it changes the certainty of getting the expected result from 100%, to 99%

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 AM

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so it's worth considering 😉

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 AM

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i don't think it does

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 AM

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it will change the certainty of the result

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 AM

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if you assured me that they were always a little bit apart, dropping the part that's irrelevant wouldn't change anything

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:25 AM

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well you can't be certain that it's irrelevant

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:25 AM

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i mean what's the minimum distance?

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whatever the smallest decimal that double holds is?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:25 AM

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yes

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:25 AM

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very smol

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:25 AM

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what's the difference between like potato and potatk

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:26 AM

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yes

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:26 AM

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that's gonna take a minute to figure out

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:27 AM

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piggy why exactly do you need the entire collection to be returned

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:27 AM

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so according to this online calculator, it's .93

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which is not very close

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:27 AM

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this is all in the name of getting the target of the search right

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why care about the bottom 50% of all possible words it could have been

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:28 AM

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star what online calculator?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:28 AM

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oh damn ivan has a good point, you can get a sorting algorithm that only returns the top like 5 resulsts

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https://asecuritysite.com/forensics/simstring

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:28 AM

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yeah

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if you pick a constant and only get that many results

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it becomes o(n)

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:28 AM

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yeah that'd make it real fast

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cause it just has to traverse the list and pick the best ones then sort like, 5 things

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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Piggy maybe building a bst out of it could be faster

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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ye

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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I've considered doing that before, but my main issue is duplicate names

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there are names that refer to the exact same thing, and this is unavoidable

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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why is that an issue here

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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BST's have to be unique

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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you're still using the double value either way

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right?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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nah I think you should listen to Ivan

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that only sorting the top like 5 is a lot faster

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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bst?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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binary search tree

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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binary sexy tree

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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what yugi suggested

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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it won't be a top 5, more like a top 100

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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that'

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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to factor in duplicate names

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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still

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100 out of 10000

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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that's still small in the scheme of things right

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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yes

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it searches through hundreds of thousands of names

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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i mean that's what google does for pete sake

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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yeah

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 AM

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it only shows you the first page of resulsts

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:31 AM

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so you'd maintain a sorted structure of the top 100 results

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:31 AM

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Each node in the bst could be a linked list

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Like how we prevent hash collisions

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Hmm

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:31 AM

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well there's no reason to use a BST

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the only problem we're solving here is how to get the smallest (or biggest) of a list of doubles

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he already has a fuzzy algorithm

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:32 AM

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The bst is not for a fuzzy search

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:32 AM

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I think it is definitely not worth the overhead to create a full BST for every single search query

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this is why sorting algorithms exist

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:33 AM

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Ofc yea the space complexity increases

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This sint inplace like quicksort

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:33 AM

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what are you even talking about then lol

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:33 AM

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Time complexity

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He wanted to lower that

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:33 AM

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it takes a lot of time to create a full BST

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:33 AM

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Doesnt need to be

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It can be optimized

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We dont need a avl

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:33 AM

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by sorting? lmao

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:33 AM

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No star

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Keeping track of leaf nodrs

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Altho the issue would be when a collision hits now that I think of it

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Hmm

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:34 AM

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I think a sorting algorithm that stops early is faster than inserting every item into the BST then getting the sorted list from that

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:35 AM

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yes

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:35 AM

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cinder flare I think a sorting algorithm that stops early is faster than inserting every item...

You dont need a sorted list after that byw

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Thats all you technically need

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:35 AM

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sorting algorithm that stops after a constant # of iterations is o(n), inserting everything into a tree is nlogn

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:35 AM

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well you need the top 100 entries from that BST

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so you need to insert every element into the BST

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then get the top 100 entries from it

tawny peak Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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can someone link meh funnys and piggys website..?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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piggypiglet.me

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Forgot cubes

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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you guys know what's probably much more relevant to real world performance

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caching

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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https://funnycube.net/

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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piggy do you cache results

tawny peak Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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thanks

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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it's really not feasible to cache here due to the nature of the data and the amount of results

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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you'd need a hell of a lot of disk space to cache the results of every query

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 AM

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well you don't need to cache every query

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but what you can do is keep track of which ones are the most popular

tawny peak Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 AM

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is there clips website too..?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 AM

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I really don't think DocDex has a most popular list

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 AM

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it should

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tbh

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😉

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 AM

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I think DocDex is quite random

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 AM

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there's just too much variation

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 AM

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just whatever someone happens to be talking about

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it's not like google where they can easily predict like 90% of stuff

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:38 AM

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even if docdex was in thousands of servers, I highly doubt there'd be queries that get executed more often than others

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:38 AM

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well docdex has a bunch of stuff that's not standard libs right?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:38 AM

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yes

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:38 AM

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i imagine those are searched less often on average

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than standard libs

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though i guess best way to find out is by actually tracking searches

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which i want to see the results for

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:39 AM

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it's not feasible to store the entirety of the standard libs

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:39 AM

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😍

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well you don't need to store it

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but imagine this

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actually nvm

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i just imagined it

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and it didnt work out

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i was thinking you can maintain a second, smaller array of just standard library stuff and match across that

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but that doesn't really make sense i don't think

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:40 AM

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it really doesn't

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:41 AM

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how about concurrency

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:41 AM

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it's already multithreaded

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:41 AM

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alright

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how about gpu acceleration

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:41 AM

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lol

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:41 AM

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you're doing the same thing a bunch of times after all

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it's a legit proposal

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:41 AM

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this is ran on a dedi

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:41 AM

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yeah dude Ivan the only thing that we can improve upon is the sorting algorithm lmao

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:42 AM

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well the algorithm that is run to get the double from the char array can probably be ran on a gpu right

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if it's an intel dedi it's gotta have some semblance of an integrated card on it

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:43 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:43 AM

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idk either

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:44 AM

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ah I see you can use a heap to do a one pass top-k results search of something

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 AM

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makes sense, you can fill it up and remove the root every time you insert

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 AM

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Does it really need to go faster than it already goes?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 AM

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so you put like, the first 100 elements into the heap, then each one after you add it, heapify, then remove the highest (or smallest) item from the top of the heap

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 AM

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no waffle

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 AM

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frail glade Does it really need to go faster than it already goes?

a foolish question

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 AM

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here's how I'm starting the issue I'm writing

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 AM

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frail glade Does it really need to go faster than it already goes?

it's not does it, it's can it

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:45 AM

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There's not actually anything wrong with the performance of sorting at the moment, but science isn't about why, it's about WHY NOT, and for science I say we research the fuck out of this and find the best way to sort.

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:47 AM

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piggy is the code you use for all this OS

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:47 AM

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yes

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:47 AM

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nice

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 7:47 AM

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Here's my project for the day (not designed for mobile yet)

https://glare.dev/gateways/

I noticed when I work on plugins my clients are all using different forks of Spigot and whatnot so I had to keep going out to all the websites to make sure I was on the latest. I designed a gateway so you can get all the latest versions from 1 page.

Project Gateways

Easy access to latest versions of projects I care about.

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:47 AM

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i don't do closed source unless it's a commission

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star you're a portal fan

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did you even notice the reference smh

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you were meant to get all excited

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:48 AM

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oh yes I see it now, apologies I am extremely tired

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:48 AM

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nice glare

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:48 AM

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also that is one slick website glare

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 7:48 AM

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quiet depot you were meant to get all excited

OMFG DOCDEX IS OS!!

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:48 AM

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wat

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no

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"science isn't about why, it's about why not"

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that was the reference

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:49 AM

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the cave johnson quote yeah

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 7:49 AM

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Eh

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:51 AM

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ok

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Here are the ideas that came up in the discord convo today:

Only sort for top k results

Truncate doubles to lower number decimals for use in an O(n) array-abusing sort

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what else did we talk about?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 AM

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gpu acceleration

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 AM

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yep

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that it?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 AM

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lemons

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 AM

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that's all i remember

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 AM

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also glare's website

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 AM

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okie

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 AM

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quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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*that I got my engineers to invent

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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i thnk between the two, truncating doubles is more worth it

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however

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/DocDex/issues/39

GitHub

Sorting improvements · Issue #39 · PiggyPiglet/DocDex

There's not actually anything wrong with the performance of sorting at the moment, but science isn't about why, it's about WHY NOT, and for science I say we research the fuc...

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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actually i'll just put what i was about to say in that

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Piggy

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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hi

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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what if we truncate then only sort for the top k elements

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Does the score have to be a double? Would floats work?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 AM

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if we truncate then it's an o(n) sort

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yugi floats would have the same effect as truncating

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so to answer that I don't know

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because I don't know if truncating would work either

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I'll have to test it in the future

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so star there's no benefit doing both

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a top k sort is O(n + k) iirc

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whereas the truncate is just o(n)

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:55 AM

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man how has no one ever thought of the array thing

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maybe it sucks

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:55 AM

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wym

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it's not something I just pulled out of my ass

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it's a real thing

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Test

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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like it is so smart to just like, multiply by a thousand or something then add to array, then traverse the array until you find a not null thing

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Back

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Router decided to restart itself

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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counting sorts rely on this array technique

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Piggy

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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hi

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Radix sort

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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yep

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i know of it

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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oh that is literally what we're doing

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 AM

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still requires a 64 bit array without truncating though

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yeah star

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they're very similar

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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Radix sort doesnt care about the array size

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Thats counting sort

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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although both counting & radix sort do extra steps that I wasn't planning on doing

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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wow i am but a virgin to the world of sorting algorithms lmao

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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mr college man

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i don't even have cs education kid

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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mr freshman lmao

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i just took a DS&A class and we learned 4 sorting algorithms, barely lmao

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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You can use counting in radix without having a huge array

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 AM

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but yeah you just multiply by 100 (or maybe 100 if you wanna get frisky) and truncate any decimal place, then add to array and iterate until you get 100 results

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 AM

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what's the iteration at the end for

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that sounds like an extra useless step

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yugi i'll look into radix sort

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 AM

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that's how you get the values?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 AM

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Alrighty

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 AM

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just return the array star

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 AM

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it'd just be an array with like a million empty slots

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you need to traverse that array until you find non-null slots

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:00 AM

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you'd need to traverse the entire array, as the indices aren't guaranteed to be in consistent increments

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unless the 100 is the top k bit

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:00 AM

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https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/DocDex/issues/39#issuecomment-826278205

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badda bing badda boom

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 AM

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wdym

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you just go until you get 100 non-null entries

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 AM

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ah right

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sorry misunderstood

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 AM

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if you want the smallest number, you go like 1->50 (that's 1), then 50->200(that's 2), etc.

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just go backwards from the top if you want the biggest number

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so yeah that'd be O(n + kish)

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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and that's where big o annoys me

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because if instead of just getting the first k non null elements, and we went through the entire array

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the complexity would just be O(n)

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deceives you

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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well yeah it'd be 2n

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but you drop the 2

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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yep

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that's why it's deceiving

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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yeah that's why big oh is only one part of the picture

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you also gotta look at what its doing and stuff

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Big oh only represents variation with input size

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Small update, I just added in flex grid crap so it should look decent on mobile now.

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 AM

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dang Glare wish you were in my web dev final project group

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those guys could not figure out flex grids

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 AM

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frail glade Here's my project for the day (not designed for mobile yet) https://glare.dev/g...

Thats awesome glare

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 AM

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You probably don't want me in your web dev stuff. I used to do web and now I can't do it to save my life.

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Wait, are you part of the purpur team as well?

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Nah

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But some of my clients use Purpur.

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Ahh

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 AM

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flex is ez

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:06 AM

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damn imagine being cool enough to have clients

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:06 AM

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I used to have Waterfall and Bungee but neither of them have actual icons that I could manage as SVGs.

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:06 AM

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meanwhile my mind is blown by radix sort lmao

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 AM

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lol

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 AM

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When I tried to convert Waterfall's logo to SVG, it did not turn out pretty.

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 AM

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oh

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pro tip for anyone who uses flex in the future

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bootstrap-grid is your friend

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:08 AM

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😮

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I need to work on bootstrap more

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:08 AM

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bootstrap is modularised and you can use its grid system without using the entirety of bootstrap

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:08 AM

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I suck at designing stuff

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:08 AM

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the grid uses flex

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it's very intuitive to use

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:08 AM

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Yeah that's what I went in and added real quick. I was already using Bootstrap but I just added in rows / cols

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:08 AM

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would highly recommend

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:09 AM

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yeah i used bootstrap grid for my personal portfolio I had to make

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:09 AM

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I use bootstrap on every site I make

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https://piggypiglet.me is made with bootstrap

PiggyPiglet

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so is helpch.at

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:09 AM

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I forgot how sexy that site is

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It's raw too

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:09 AM

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mine or helpchat?

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Yours

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Well, both.

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Elm-Bootstrap 🤤

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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yeah I don't use scss or any of that fancy shit

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Meaning you don't use any SSG.

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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just raw css/js/html

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Yup

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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best way to do it

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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If I had the patience for it, I would.

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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ssg?

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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But I work with GraphQL and some other data too which is kind annoying as raw.

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Static Site Generators

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Gatsby, Nuxt, Etc.

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 AM

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wait piggy, why are you calculating the entire sorted result array all at once again?

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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That gateway page uses Gatsby (react).

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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oh I see

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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ivan that terminology isn't quite correct

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Come on Piggy smh

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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wat

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what site is that

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Solid on best practices though

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https://web.dev/

web.dev

Get the web's modern capabilities on your own sites and apps with useful guidance and analysis from web.dev.

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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ivan there's a stream of byte arrays and an input byte array

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end result is a sorted stream of byte arrays against the input

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Apparently it doesn't like your image sizes and extra css

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 AM

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right

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 AM

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bruh

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 AM

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😬

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 AM

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those images are optimized fine

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 AM

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so piggy when would you use the second best result from that query

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Oh wait

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I have an idea for a portfolio page

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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every time that method is run ivan

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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👀

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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that method is only run if there isn't an exact match

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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You ever going to add more content to the barn?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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d;spigot playah

ruby craterBOT Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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org.bukkit.entity.Player

public interface Player
extends HumanEntity, PluginMessageRecipient, Conversable, OfflinePlayer```
Player has 18 super interfaces, 89 methods, and  4 extensions.

Description:

Represents a player, connected or not

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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This could go very well, or insanely stupid

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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waffle I wrote a new guide recently

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Ooo?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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right but i mean if there is no exact match, don't you just want the next best

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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rewrote my hotswapping guide

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https://wiki.helpch.at/piggys-barn/java/hot-swapping

Hot Swapping

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with more info this time

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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why get the entire sorted list

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 AM

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because the limit is configurable

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d;spigot 8 playah

ruby craterBOT Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 AM

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org.bukkit.entity.Player

public interface Player
extends HumanEntity, PluginMessageRecipient, Conversable, OfflinePlayer```
Player has 18 super interfaces, 89 methods, and  4 extensions.

Description:

Represents a player, connected or not

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 AM

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so you're getting the top 8 results

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or 7 or whatnot

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 AM

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8

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 AM

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does the ui only display 8 results at a time

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or how does that work

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 AM

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discord can display a max of 10

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 AM

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is it possible to get to the 11th

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 AM

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there's a hard cap of 10 in the api

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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Cant you have 20 reactions on a message?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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so if you're only getting the 10 best, why find the entire sorted list

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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only 10 number emojis

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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Ah, right

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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oblique heath so if you're only getting the 10 best, why find the entire sorted list

you don't need to ig

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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🔟

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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isn't that why you guys suggested top k?

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ok 11 then gaby

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 AM

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i was under the impression you didn't already truncate results

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Time to create emojis up to 18

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 AM

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I don't

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 AM

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but now that i know, you definitely want to do top k

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well you just said you have a limit of 10

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 AM

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yeah sorry

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the sort doesn't truncate them

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 AM

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yee

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 AM

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the truncate happens when they're returned in the api

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because I don't want hundreds of mongo calls

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 AM

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yeah so that seems like a very clear choice

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wdym

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:18 AM

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the only thing stored in docdex's memory is names

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those names are used to query mongo to get the objects

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 8:18 AM

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🥭DB

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:18 AM

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that's one red looking mango

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:19 AM

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wait

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so lets take your sorted, finished array of size 100k

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would it matter at all if it was size 50 instead of size 100k

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as far as mongo calls or whatever go

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actually maybe that was a bad example

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:20 AM

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yeah I don't understand what you're asking

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:20 AM

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anyways you're only calling the sort function one time either way

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but by truncating it you're making it o(n) instead of nlogn

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and you're not losing anything since you truncate it later on anyways

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:20 AM

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technically it's still possible to get o(n) rn

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the truncate just makes it more resource friendly ram wise

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:21 AM

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is this about the arrays again xd

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or is there another way

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:21 AM

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arrays are essential for an o(n)

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the truncate is part of the array idea

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they're not separate

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the truncate is merely a solution to the memory issue with arrays

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:21 AM

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wait i think you're misunderstanding me

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:21 AM

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@frail glade this is what I usually use for site performance

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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when i said truncate i meant in the context of truncating the result array

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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i'll have a look at that web.dev thing

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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as in, i return the top 50 results instead of all 100k

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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oh

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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i didn't mean truncate as for the indexes

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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Ivan, to get the top 50 results you still need to sort to a point

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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web dev uses lighthouse internally

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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you do but you can consider it constant time instead of logn time (times n)

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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then why r the results different

fleet bayBOT Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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:x2: You have to be in a voice channel to use this command.

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:23 AM

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Music used /

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:23 AM

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oblique heath you do but you can consider it constant time instead of logn time (times n)

What?

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Ok wait

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Let me see if I can understand what you mean

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So given an array of 100k elements of random values, how do you select the top 50 values

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:23 AM

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okay so

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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https://lighthouse-dot-webdotdevsite.appspot.com//lh/html?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpiggypiglet.me%2F

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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erm

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waffle

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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first let's make it simpler and say top 1 value

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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I literally get different results to you in web.dev

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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what do you do? iterate through the whole list

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that's o(n)

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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That's really weird. Haha.

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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now what if we want the top 2

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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Top 1 is possible with O(n) but not the same with top k

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/RxCE52w.png that's what I got for my page 🙂

Imgur

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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no

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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check your ping to the ip waffle

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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it is possible if the k is small

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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You now have another list to sort

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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maybe you've just got a bad route

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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Hmm

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 AM

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you do but the k is small and not determined by n

frail glade Apr 25, 2021, 8:25 AM

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Pretty sure web.dev uses their own routes.

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:25 AM

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so it's still n time

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if the list you were managing was a ratio of n, like say you requested half the total list

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then you could say insertion into your result array is log(n/2)

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or whatever

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but k is a small constant like 50, independent of the number of elements in the actual array

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:26 AM

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Ok so like a replacing insertion sort on a size k array while iterating iver the main array?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:26 AM

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I gotta go

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:26 AM

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sure

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:26 AM

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but this is all valuable info

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so pls add it to the issue

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:26 AM

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really any insertion works here

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:26 AM

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That could work

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:26 AM

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because as long as the max size of the accumulator is small it's o(1)

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even if insertion was technically o(n^3) it'd really be o(1) lol

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:27 AM

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i mean would the heap sort idea be too bad?

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iterate through the array and keep the best items and drop the newest one

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:27 AM

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star this is your heap sort all over again lol

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but the heap sort is not the important bit

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the important bit is that you're only holding on to a small amount of results

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that's the saving grace

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:27 AM

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yeah that's the whole heap sort idea

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:27 AM

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ye

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:27 AM

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you only keep the 50 best resulsts or whatever

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:28 AM

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exactly

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:28 AM

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exactly

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:28 AM

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e x a c t l y

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:28 AM

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wow we're geniuses

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:28 AM

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i agree

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we do good work

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:28 AM

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where's that github issues lmao

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:28 AM

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https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/DocDex/issues/39

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:31 AM

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my master thesis is complete

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:32 AM

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very masterful

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:33 AM

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awe nice he actually put lemons in the ideas list

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that makes me happy

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 8:34 AM

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old wyvern Top 1 is possible with O(n) but not the same with top k

sure it is?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:35 AM

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oh hey johnny

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have you always been that color?

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 8:35 AM

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I have not

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:35 AM

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okay it felt new

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i like it

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goes well with your pfp

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 8:35 AM

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I don't

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:35 AM

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oh

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i am only 3k xp from being a tier V bois

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:40 AM

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start spamming

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:40 AM

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genius

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instead im going to go to bed

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because I'm really tired

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:41 AM

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adios

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i'll probably do the same

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 8:42 AM

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just woke up and preparing for another day of mental torture trying to fix my dual boot

hot hull Apr 25, 2021, 8:42 AM

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Tis 11am

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:42 AM

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me an u both johnny

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:42 AM

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better than taking a calc test

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:42 AM

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although i'm not going through dual boot torture

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more so partition torture

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still linux tho

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so it counts

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:43 AM

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what's wrong with your partitiosn?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:43 AM

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I have to merge a second disk to the root partition

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:43 AM

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sounds like a RAID 0 problem

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 8:44 AM

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hot hull Tis 11am

it isn't
"just" is one hour ago and it's a Sunday

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:45 AM

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it's hard to setup star

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with this environment

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:45 AM

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raid 0? on linux?

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surely not

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:45 AM

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I have to do it live

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I can't boot from another drive

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:45 AM

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oh true migrating the data might be a little funky

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got another compooter?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:45 AM

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it's remote

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:45 AM

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or use a live boot linux

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oh

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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you know what you may be able to do

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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you can still live boot a usb remote

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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shrink your current partition that you're using as much as you can

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and use the empty space on the drive to make a new partition

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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that's the approach I'm taking

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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then raid 0 that with the other drive

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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it's so fucking hard though

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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ah fair enough

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xd

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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well I wasn't gonna do raid 0 I was gonna use lvm

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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lvm?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:46 AM

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logical volume manager

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:47 AM

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tbh lvm is probably a better idea as far as data recovery

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since i doubt it stripes the partitions

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unlike raid 0 🥲

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:47 AM

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I managed to shrink the partition to 50gb and boot from it

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but the problem is fdisk doesn't know that the partition is smaller

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like df -h shows 50gb

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but fdisk doesn't

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and it's confusing the fuck out of me

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:47 AM

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oh LVM and RAID 0 are the same

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:47 AM

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no they're not

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:47 AM

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https://blog.learningtree.com/lvm-raid-compare/#:~:text=LVM is like RAID-0,and backups are extremely important.

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they both do striping

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:48 AM

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they have completely different purposes

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:48 AM

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though LVM seems better apparently

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:48 AM

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you can achieve the same thing with both but lvm is very different to raid 0

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:48 AM

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both ways to combine drives

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:48 AM

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that's not lvm's focus

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:48 AM

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can lvm use all the space on two partitions of different sizes

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:48 AM

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it's just possible to do with lvm

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lvm is like an abstract partition manager

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that's how I think of it

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:49 AM

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see that's when you just use Btrfs

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:49 AM

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binary tree fs

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:49 AM

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i personally like to pronounce btrfs as butter-fs

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:49 AM

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Lol

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:49 AM

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the difficulty comes with changing the root partition while it's live

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it's by far the hardest thing I've ever had to do

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literally every guide doesn't work

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:50 AM

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just boot from a logical usb drive piggy

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:50 AM

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well I managed to do it eventually

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:50 AM

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oh actually

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:50 AM

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like the partition size is 50gb now

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the problem is fdisk doesn't recognise it for some reason

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:50 AM

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can't you use chroot to boot

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or something

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:50 AM

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tried chrooting

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:50 AM

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yes from a usb drive ivan

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:50 AM

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tried pivoting root

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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the very obvious answer here is usb boot, then you can modify your drives however you want

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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how do you usb boot on a remote server?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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logical usb?

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are you not running a hypervisor

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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wat

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it's a dedi

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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i don't know what that means

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i know what a VPS is

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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I don't know what you mean

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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he just has a box

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that he can ssh into

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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We can just ask the provider to plug in an USB

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:51 AM

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as in, you have an entire cmoputer just for you?

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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yes

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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yeah just ask them to plugin your usb

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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lol

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they're useless shits

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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not joking

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they will

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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actually there might be something about that

distant sun Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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They will not*

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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also why would you want a dedi vs a VPS

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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what if you make a small partition and burn an iso onto it or somethin

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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sounds a lot less flexible

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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what

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star u got some funky ideas

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 AM

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wdym

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:53 AM

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dedis have less abstraction

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they're better as far as performance goes

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:53 AM

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you can dynamically resize a VPS

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you're stuck with whatever dedi you get

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hardly ivan

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hypervisors are so good nowadays

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 8:53 AM

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with a vps though you're sharing resources

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:53 AM

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you can do GPU passthrough and everything

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who cares?

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you still get your allotted portion

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:54 AM

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not always

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i know this firsthand

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:54 AM

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i mean I guess if you get a poor host

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:54 AM

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i mean that too but i'm talking purely based on the software used

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you know how you can limit the resources that docker containers use

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:55 AM

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you wouldn't use a docker container

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you'd use a hypervisor

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which is very good at its job

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:55 AM

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well same principles

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:55 AM

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nope

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:55 AM

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as far as sharing resources go?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:55 AM

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no, hypervisors have total control

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docker can only work within the operating system

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a hypervisor can literally only show you 4GB of ram, a limited number of CPU cores, a specific graphics card etc

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it's not possible for you to use more than that

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in fact, you often specifically use a hypervisor on your own dedicated machines to ensure that your programs don't resource creep on eachother

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:57 AM

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imagine this on the hardware level

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you have two programs, one using a single core on the cpu

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no matter who has control over them or what's going on, they're both left up to the will of the cpu itself as to what happens with the l1, l2, l3 cache

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so you'll end up with a bunch of stuff overwriting caches and losing you out performance

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without you being able to tell why

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 8:59 AM

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that's why server-grade cpus have multiple caches

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 8:59 AM

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you can't guarantee that each vm will get their own cache

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:00 AM

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i mean you can if you limit the vms

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you can perfectly split a system if you have the right stuff for it

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but I mean, I guess its all about what you value more

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flexibility or a lil bit of performance

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 9:01 AM

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figured out the fdisk issue

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 9:01 AM

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you also have to keep in mind that multithreading will always be a thing

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 9:01 AM

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the script I used only resizes the filesystem

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the partition doesn't actually change

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so back to square 1

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 9:01 AM

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as in, 2 vcores for every physical core

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:01 AM

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okay?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 9:01 AM

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so if one vps gets one vcpu and the other gets the other

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:01 AM

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you don't split down vcpus

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you split down real ones

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problem solved

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 9:01 AM

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nobody does that

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:02 AM

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unless you're getting a bottom-tier vps, you get at least 2 vcpus

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 9:02 AM

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yeah and you're not guaranteed that they're on the same core

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:02 AM

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they could be if you're smart about it

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hypervisors can do that easy

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 9:02 AM

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imagine you have 2 cores 4 vcpus

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sorry 4 cores 8 vcpus

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wait

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:03 AM

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yeah doesn't matter, it knows which vcpus belong to which core

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so you just assign in pairs

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though I guess my experience is more from a company hosting its own servers than a hosting company

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so maybe vps's are worse than I thought lol

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 9:05 AM

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discord broken

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:05 AM

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yeah for me too lol

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okay tired now

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 9:06 AM

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@quiet depot what sorting method is used atm?

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:06 AM

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default java sort the entire list

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 9:06 AM

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So timsort

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:06 AM

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sure

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moral of the story, we sort less things

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 AM

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Not sure what's gonna beat timsort

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 AM

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not sorting the whole list?

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 AM

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Maybe

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 AM

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just keeping track of the top k results in a heap as you traverse it is quite efficient

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 AM

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Yeah

cinder flare Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 AM

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okay glad we caught you up lmao

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 9:41 AM

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@old wyvern does this look right to you?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 9:44 AM

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Yea, looks about right

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 9:45 AM

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hold up

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why separate home & root partition?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Hes following that guide from the manjaro forums i followed as well I think

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 9:46 AM

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@lunar cypress unless you can think of a benefit off the bat for separating them, then I don't think it's worth it

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from years of using linux on the server & desktop, I've never seen the point or needed to separate them

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 9:47 AM

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mhhm

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maybe I should try the "install alongside windows option" again

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my current problem is that windows simply isn't recognised anymore

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 9:48 AM

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Did you have you use rescue earlier or were the partitions not actually deleted btw?

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 9:49 AM

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Idk which partition I deleted. But I deleted one on my hdd

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however I can still mount the other one and that's where all the data is

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 9:49 AM

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ah ok

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 9:50 AM

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man

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I don't want to reinstall and end up with nothing working at all

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right now at least I can get into manjaro

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But I'm really stumped as to why I can't get into Windows anymore

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 9:53 AM

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Manually adding the menu entry to the grub config might work

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 9:53 AM

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well what am I supposed to add

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Windows isn't in /boot/efi/EFI

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 9:54 AM

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yea thats a different boot partition

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Gimme a minute

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Ill need to look this up

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oh john, this might be the same issue as what you found earlier on forums

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https://forum.manjaro.org/t/grub-not-finding-windows/31143/5

Manjaro Linux Forum

Grub Not Finding Windows?

Thanks again for the response. sudo parted -l Model: ATA Samsung SSD 840 (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 120GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags: Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 1049kB 368MB 367MB primary ntfs boot 2 368MB 119GB 119GB primary ntfs 3 ...

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:00 AM

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no, this is not the same

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:01 AM

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ah alrighty

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:02 AM

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I have gpt everywhere

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:03 AM

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Oh btw you also disabled fast boot from windows power settings right?

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:03 AM

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fast startup you mean? yeah

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god maybe i did install windows in legacy mode?

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Idk how to find out

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:17 AM

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uh does the windows boot partition show up as an efi partition in gparted?

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jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 10:22 AM

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quiet depot why separate home & root partition?

that's an Arch recommendation

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not necessary though

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I don't do it because I think it's a bit stupid personally, but to each their own

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it's pointless having two separate partitions because they're both on the same drive

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imo

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:23 AM

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old wyvern uh does the windows boot partition show up as an efi partition in gparted?

The windows boot partition is the one called "Microsoft reserved partition"

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I believe

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 10:26 AM

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no

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well, depends

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for EFI systems, a boot partition is unnecessary, and so it's on the same partition as the main drive

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 AM

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UEFI requires it to be in the efi partition afaik

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 AM

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or at least, it is for me

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Reserved_Partition

Microsoft Reserved Partition

A Microsoft Reserved Partition (MSR) is a partition of a data storage device, which is created to reserve a portion of disk space for possible subsequent use by a Windows operating system installed on a separate partition. No meaningful data is stored within the MSR; though from the MSR, chunks may be taken for the creation of new partitions, wh...

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 AM

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Well there was no efi partition prior to my manjaro installation... i think

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 AM

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😬

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 AM

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If there was, I actually deleted it

unkempt tangle Apr 25, 2021, 10:28 AM

#

Did anyone tried to run a fabric server with Cardboard for Bukkit support?

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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Ok the question is how tf do I get out of this then

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If I reinstall windows, will it be smart enough to put itself in the efi partition?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/accidentally-deleted-windows-10-boot-partition-how/181745f9-3303-4968-9851-5c213db9c89c

Accidentally deleted Windows 10 boot partition. How do I restore it?

Hi, I accidentally deleted my windows 10 boot partition during some maintenance activities on my computer. So, now I do not see the Windows option on my PC in the UEFI boot loader. I do have CentOS 7

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:31 AM

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lunar cypress If I reinstall windows, will it be smart enough to put itself in the efi partiti...

Yea probably

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startup repair from your windows installation usb* should probably fix it

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:32 AM

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Well the guide there wants me to format the efi partition

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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old wyvern https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/accidentally-deleted-windo...

In this?

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Yes

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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I think it might be safer with startup repair

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Whats that

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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lunar cypress maybe I should try the "install alongside windows option" again

Was that what you did originally?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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The windows startup repair tool, it should show up in the options if you try to boot from the windows installtion drive you made earlier

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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And btw the dual boot guide used a new partition as well?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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Yes

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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As efi partition

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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That was an extra boot partition to isolate manjaro in

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You should already have had one for windows

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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Ah

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

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prisma wave Was that what you did originally?

Yes

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

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And that didn't setup grub properly? Weird

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

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And I accidentally installed that in legacy mode. And then for some ungodly reason I thought doing it manually might work

unkempt tangle Apr 25, 2021, 10:36 AM

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Senpai ;c

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 10:39 AM

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bonjour

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:40 AM

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Start up repair doesn't do anything @old wyvern

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Maybe I can create a second efi partition

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For windows again

#

find the volume letter which belongs to the installed Windows OS

Do they mean C?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:43 AM

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Yes

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:44 AM

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Got re labelled to D for me lol but alright

unkempt tangle Apr 25, 2021, 10:45 AM

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Anybody?

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:45 AM

#

failure when attempting to copy boot files
🥲

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:45 AM

#

🥲

unkempt tangle Apr 25, 2021, 10:45 AM

#

Did anyone tried to run a fabric server with Cardboard for Bukkit support?

tawny peak Apr 25, 2021, 10:46 AM

#

how do I un-link my github..?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:46 AM

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From discord?

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User Settings -> Connections -> Press the "X" on top right of the github card there

spring canyon Apr 25, 2021, 10:47 AM

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I don't know about him, but maybe from the Discord bot here

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I changed my username and now I can't get the reward for starring the Github repo thonking

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Ah, I have no idea. @pallid gale ?

tawny peak Apr 25, 2021, 10:48 AM

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old wyvern From discord?

na..barry

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:49 AM

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I havent seen anyone unlink github from barry yet

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Also, https://discordapp.com/channels/164280494874165248/164523548390457355/738751914040361020

tawny peak Apr 25, 2021, 10:49 AM

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old wyvern Ah, I have no idea. <@!161022752923320320> ?

also funnycube barry bad coz it dosent let me turn off e cloud updates

pale shell Apr 25, 2021, 10:56 AM

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I hate people on spigot to be honest, Instead of asking for help in a support discord, they put a 1 star rating straight away 😐

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 10:56 AM

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🥲

pale shell Apr 25, 2021, 10:56 AM

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And now I have a 1 star on my plugin fucking great, that's gonna put people off 😐

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 10:56 AM

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take tips from frosty, frozenjoin only 5 star reviews!!!

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Delete the plugin and re-upload

#

All bad reviews : gone

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 10:57 AM

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lol

pale shell Apr 25, 2021, 10:57 AM

#

Legit, instead of joining the discord to get help he just puts a bad review straight away 😐

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Hire a hitman

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 10:57 AM

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u can get the review taken off individually by a staff member if its not an actual review

pale shell Apr 25, 2021, 10:58 AM

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he put "Plugin is badly coded, Doesn't even function correctly. Still has the same problems as the free version." there was no messaging me asking for support to fix anything first just straight up bad review.

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Oh looking at his review history he 1 star reviews everyone.

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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well then code properly in the first place and u wont have this situation :kekw:

pale shell Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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bm coded it in the first place

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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classic

hot hull Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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ofc it was trash if BM made it 🤡

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

#

doge_ahaha

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

#

🙄

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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I want to smash something

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Understandable

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

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me too

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

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Not even my fucking live windows usb stick works anymore

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

#

🙁

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

#

Huh

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

#

time to switch to linux!!!

hot hull Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

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Please smash my head in

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:01 AM

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Idk what to do anymore

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:01 AM

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Linux time

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:02 AM

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Yeah... great

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 11:02 AM

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Maybe just delete everything and start from scratch if you can

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:02 AM

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also, this is why you don't mess with GParted without first understanding the consequences your actions may have if you fuck up, and without at least somewhat knowing what you're doing

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Thank you bardy please lecture me on more things

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:03 AM

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not insulting your intelligence, just saying that maybe messing with partitions wasn't the best idea

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 11:03 AM

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😂

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

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I guess all I can say about this though is https://tenor.com/view/slow-clapping-men-clapping-slowly-clapping-slowly-slow-clap-men-gif-18948220

Tenor

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

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Yeah thanks for telling me mate, wouldn't have that figured out myself

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

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lol

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

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So

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

#

"I messed up"
"Maybe don't mess up"
Groundbreaking

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 11:05 AM

#

What are we looking at

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:05 AM

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not what I said

#

just said you maybe should've read the big board at the beginning of the tunnel that said "warning! danger ahead!"

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Yeah I don't have the patience for this nonsense now

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:05 AM

#

anyway

#

let's not dwell on past actions

#

can you boot GParted at least?

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:06 AM

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jovial warren not what I said

Well idk, feels like starting from scratch might be a good idea. Any recommendations how to save my current C: drive?

#

Woops

#

Wrong msg

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

#

also, there's a tool in Arch that can convert MBR partition tables to GPT ones without data loss

#

I did it with my drive

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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His is already gpt

hot hull Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

#

Just use windows 🤡

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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I don't have any mbr partition tables

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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ah right

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

#

starting from scratch usually works well. If you've got anything important you could just boot into Linux usb and move it onto another drive

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

#

so what's your issue? Windows isn't being picked up?

#

is it picked up in the UEFI boot menu?

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

#

Nope

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

#

os prober isnt finding windows boot manager

#

He doesnt have the efi boot partition for windows

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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if it's not in the UEFI boot menu then it's likely corrupted

#

just the boot manager that is

#

Windows has tools to repair the boot manager iirc, you'd just need some way to get into command prompt

#

which is much easier said than done, trust me I've tried it before

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:08 AM

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Yeah I'm too far in, I'll copy my previous user files to my hard drive and start from scratch

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 11:09 AM

#

Starting from scratch is definitely the easiest way of fixing stuff when you mess things up

#

reinstall windows first

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:09 AM

#

bootrec /fixboot I think might do something

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or bootrec /rebuildbcd, or both

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:09 AM

#

What would you recommend for cleaning up all the partitions? Do I just delete them all?

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 11:09 AM

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format and delete

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 11:09 AM

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Probably don't even need to format

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:09 AM

#

delete them, move them around, etc.

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 11:10 AM

#

But yea just delete the partitions and let the reinstall overwrite stuff

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:10 AM

#

GParted will auto-format when it's deleting partitions

old wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 11:10 AM

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Ah ok

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:10 AM

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just give Windows something to work with and it should be happy

quiet depot Apr 25, 2021, 11:10 AM

#

@pale shell was it legeurnic or something?

#

he’s a troll

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Just need to be careful to not install windows in legacy mode this time

hot hull Apr 25, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Did someone say legacy 😠 🔫

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:12 AM

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Which I still don't really understand

#

Whatever

jovial warren Apr 25, 2021, 11:13 AM

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lunar cypress Just need to be careful to not install windows in legacy mode this time

you don't get control over that unfortunately

#

but if you give it a GPT drive, it'll pick GPT

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 11:13 AM

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The thing is, it keeps enabling csm in bios

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 11:13 AM

#

hot hull Did someone say legacy 😠 🔫

silence

pale shell Apr 25, 2021, 11:20 AM

#

quiet depot <@!103530582855647232> was it legeurnic or something?

it was 2003llh

hot hull Apr 25, 2021, 11:25 AM

#

onyx loom silence

by Khalid and Marshmello

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 11:45 AM

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lmao

#

good song 👍

tough matrix Apr 25, 2021, 11:55 AM

#

anyone know of any plugins that uh allow you to type like [&aB&bu&ci&dl&ed&fe&1r] on a single line of a sign

#

?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 11:59 AM

#

i would assume that the character limit that players can type on a sign is a client limitation

#

or do you mean chat color

tough matrix Apr 25, 2021, 12:00 PM

#

theres some plugin out there where you can right click the sign

#

and then type like /line1 (color coded crap here)

#

i used to see it all over lol

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 12:00 PM

#

well i just googled for it and the first result is https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/colored-signs.31676/

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

Colored Signs

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 12:01 PM

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#general-plugins

tough matrix Apr 25, 2021, 12:01 PM

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ye i was tryna find it myself looking up anything i could and all the plugins i can find do is just allow u to have hex or whatnot

unkempt tangle Apr 25, 2021, 12:01 PM

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Whats yarn?

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 12:03 PM

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alternative to npm afaik

placid rose Apr 25, 2021, 12:10 PM

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how u type in a code window?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 12:11 PM

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```
code here
```

placid rose Apr 25, 2021, 12:11 PM

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prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 12:11 PM

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https://x0.at/ApR.png
what

placid rose Apr 25, 2021, 12:11 PM

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ok thx

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 12:13 PM

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stop launching your children across the room goddammit

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 12:14 PM

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😱

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 12:15 PM

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fixed it 😎

boreal needle Apr 25, 2021, 12:15 PM

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can you now launch your children

prisma wave Apr 25, 2021, 12:15 PM

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yes

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thank god

boreal needle Apr 25, 2021, 12:15 PM

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i dont want to think about what launching children with bash is

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 12:16 PM

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Obscure british sports

placid rose Apr 25, 2021, 12:17 PM

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how do i get tiers?

oblique heath Apr 25, 2021, 12:17 PM

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obscure? that's like the #1 british sport

boreal needle Apr 25, 2021, 12:17 PM

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placid rose how do i get tiers?

you gain exp

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mostly by talking

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and =daily

placid rose Apr 25, 2021, 12:17 PM

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ok

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what r u writing in intellij?

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 12:17 PM

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#chat-reaction for cool kids 😎

boreal needle Apr 25, 2021, 12:17 PM

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coursework

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big sad

placid rose Apr 25, 2021, 12:18 PM

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are you recommending buying an ultimate ver?

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btw tier 1 pog

onyx loom Apr 25, 2021, 12:18 PM

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u can get ultimate for free if ur a student

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 12:19 PM

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I wouldn't buy ultimate

placid rose Apr 25, 2021, 12:19 PM

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really?how

lunar cypress Apr 25, 2021, 12:19 PM

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If I weren't a student I would at least make my company pay for it

hot hull Apr 25, 2021, 12:19 PM

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Ultimate is only good if you're making projects which use a DB constantly