So all methods in A should be accessible in B and C?
#dev-general
timber oak
forest pecan
if everyone developed their own library we would all know SOLID in no time
unless they are designing a shitty
library
lunar cypress
So all methods in A should be accessible in B and C?
they are either way, the point is that they work too
Take java collections
timber oak
I don't see how they wouldn't work
steel heart
unless they are designing a shitty
When you see retrooper making every possible field public 
timber oak
If they are in the parent class
sweet cipher
If they are in the parent class
You can override methods
timber oak
Yeah
sweet cipher
So sometimes people have methods just do nothing in a subclass
forest pecan
When you see retrooper making every possible field public <:huhuhuHAHAHA:8236172...
in his packet api?
lol
lunar cypress
List<String> list = new ArrayList<>();
list.add("");
```this works```java
List<String> list = List.of();
list.add("");
```this blows upThis is fine though? No?
forest pecan
(:
steel heart
No he argued for half an hour trying to prove public fields are better pulse lol
sweet cipher
This is fine though? No?
Idk maybe
old wyvern
This is fine though? No?
No
sweet cipher
It kind of defeats the purpose of subclasses
old wyvern
All child classes must have somewhat of a similar outcome
timber oak
So, all methods in the parent class should also be used in the subclasses?
forest pecan
lol his packet api is a mess but also not a mess
it follows some conventions
but not others
old wyvern
As in, If you were to use the parent somewhere, all child classes must be substitutable in its place without breaking anything
steel heart
Of course valdemar it also depends on your needs for instance we might have the classes
Animal
Leopard
Dog
GoldenRetriever
Labrador
lunar cypress
As in, If you were to use the parent somewhere, all child classes must be substi...
yes, exactly that
steel heart
If you need Animal then of course go with Animal, if you need dog go with Dog
lunar cypress
It's a principle to apply when you extend or implement a type
sweet cipher
So the subclasses are just other version of the parent class? Kinda
They are a type of the parent class
old wyvern
So the subclasses are just other version of the parent class? Kinda
They are different "Implementations" of the parent class
The way it does something may differ
But the outcome must be similar
or justifyable
sweet cipher
Like a database class, if you have an sql database class and yml database, they both might have a save() method, but save differently
old wyvern
Forget "How", focus on "What" ๐ , guess where this is going
sweet cipher
Antarctica?
sweet cipher
Lol
timber oak
Alright, pretty sure I understand now
obtuse gale
Forget "How", focus on "What" ๐ , guess where this is going
that.. size.. doesn't matter?
old wyvern
that.. size.. doesn't matter?
๐
timber oak
Wait so dependency inversion is just liskov?
old wyvern
๐
oblique heath
๐๏ธ๐๏ธ
lunar cypress
Forget "How", focus on monadmonadmonad
oblique heath
hey kid, wanna buy some...
๐๏ธ๐
๐๏ธ
monads?
lunar cypress
*hey kid, wanna buy some...*
๐๏ธ๐
๐๏ธ
***monads?***
registered haskell offender
old wyvern
*hey kid, wanna buy some...*
๐๏ธ๐
๐๏ธ
***monads?***
oo oo how much for a pack???
oblique heath
buck fiddy
steel heart
Wait so dependency inversion is just liskov?
They focus on different things
old wyvern
What was that
lunar cypress
wot
oblique heath
an illegal link apparently
lunar cypress
invite link
old wyvern
Bot?
lunar cypress
with a wall of text
old wyvern
lol
forest pecan
he posted a discord link
old wyvern
sadge
timber oak
They focus on different things
Which different things though?
forest pecan
@hexed kettle lmfao
old wyvern
lunar cypress
Which different things though?
they say fundamentally different things.
LSP just states that you should be able to replace any type with a subtype, while dependency inversion says you should depend on abstractions rather than implementations
steel heart
One as Johnny said substitutable subtypes, one depending on high level (abstraction) instead of low level which often would be done by dependency injection
Oh yeah what Johnny said
forest pecan
ServiceLoader good or bad
forest pecan
yes
timber oak
they say fundamentally different things.
LSP just states that you should be able...
What is the difference between abstractions and implementations though? Not sure I understand it correctly then
old wyvern
No idea pulse
sweet cipher
What is the difference between abstractions and implementations though? Not sure...
Abstraction: List, Implementation: ArrayList
timber oak
Abstraction: List, Implementation: ArrayList
ArrayList is also a list though?
sweet cipher
It is
lunar cypress
Yes
lunar cypress
Implementations implement an abstraction
timber oak
ehhh what
old wyvern
Heres a easier way to think:
Abstractions define what is to be done,
Implementations of these abstractions define how it is to be done
So at a high level, you should only care about what is being done, rather than how it is being done
timber oak
How can there be more than one way to do it though? When you say how
steel heart
ServiceLoader good or bad
Itโs good I mean in Bukkit we have services manager so probably use that I guess
But just in general ServiceLoader would be nice
sweet cipher
How can there be more than one way to do it though? When you say `how`
An example is mathematical formulas. There are many types, but all would probably have on method, calculate(). So all you have to do is pass in the numbers, you donโt need to know the specific formula.
old wyvern
How can there be more than one way to do it though? When you say `how`
There are always multiple ways to perform an action.
Lets take a very simple example, You want to fetch the name and age of a person, this is the what, i.e, "fetch the name and age of a person"
This could be achieved through a number of different ways such as by a web request, a db query, or whatever else, each of these are the hows
timber oak
Makes sense, so what is "high level" based on importance for the program/plugin or what?
steel heart
Valdemar I would generally say that interfaces are functionalities where they specify a behavior. Abstract classes are data structures which have a common code for reusability. Then normal classes are just data structures. You implement an interface/functionality, you extend a data structure/class. Probably off topic what I said but ye๐
old wyvern
High level as in the action it performs, its relative
timber oak
Valdemar I would generally say that interfaces are functionalities where they sp...
Kinda makes sense, I think I'm a bit too tired to understand that for now though lol. But I saved it to some notes.
But got a little problem, how come I need to add it to a final array?
the boolean
old wyvern
Because of how captures work, you cant mutate captured values, you can only mutables things that this value holds references to
forest pecan
Yeah cause Java doesnt want to access an object while its being modified
you can either use Atomic or make it final
steel heart
Yeah what yugi and pulse said
forest pecan
atomic has blocking
timber oak
Why does java not like that though? And how is it being modified while Im getting it?
Because it's in a runnable?
forest pecan
its not always the case
but it could
happen
so thats why its enforced
never a guarantee
forest pecan
but C++
steel heart
Valdemar itโs actually to prevent memory leaks
timber oak
Java sucks
Rly?
timber oak
Valdemar itโs actually to prevent memory leaks
Ahhh kk
steel heart
Yes
old wyvern
Why does java not like that though? And how is it being modified while Im gettin...
Because its in a separate class
forest pecan
some random ass thread could just peek up and modify the object
even if it doesnt exist
steel heart
That method there is implemented by you, not necessarily run. Letโs say youโd be able to reference variables from that method inside the run method then it would have to keep track of that variable even though the outer method might have ended termination long time ago.
old wyvern
It simply passes the required variables onto the anonymous class, and since java is pass by value, the reference inside the anonymous class is different but just pointing to the same object, mutating this object only changes the object inside the anonymous class
Which is why java disallows this
timber oak
ahhh okay
old wyvern
C# allows this and generates a intermediary reference class but that just leads to another set of problems
forest pecan
๐คก
timber oak
I kinda wanna start learning C#
old wyvern
Sure, give it a go
humble silo
Is it worth it to put a bunch of time and effort into getting Minecraft in java 11?
timber oak
Mostly to try out game development in Unity though
forest pecan
Is it worth it to put a bunch of time and effort into getting Minecraft in java ...
yes
steel heart
Not much difference chestly
old wyvern
Thats what I mostly use it for as well vald
humble silo
Ik, i just really wanna use the module system
forest pecan
not much difference to change and people can finally UPDATE
timber oak
Thats what I mostly use it for as well vald
For how long have you been using Unity?
humble silo
lwjgl uses sun.misc stuff so i might eventually just need to re-write part of it...
old wyvern
About 2 yearsish, part of the curriculum
timber oak
Because I think I'll start out with Unity then after some time I'll maybe go over to UE because it's better but more difficult
I think
Less limits in UE
old wyvern
UE has a much better visual scripting system
timber oak
Unity is way easier to begin with when I have basic java knowledge though, at least I hope I do lol
Since C# is a lot like Java
forest pecan
C++ is a great language change my mind
old wyvern
C++ is a great language change my mind
Changed. There we go
humble silo
C++ is a great language change my mind
literally everything you like about it
forest pecan
i have to call destroy every single time i type new
obtuse gale
C++ is a great language change my mind
performs lobotomy
forest pecan
lol
steel heart
C++ is a great language change my mind
I mean Java depends on C++ right?
humble silo
no, html actually
forest pecan
The compiler, yes
humble silo
compiler is built on html
old wyvern
Yes, but its now written in java itself I believe?
humble silo
Didnt they use to use Java in web broswers instead of JS or something?
obtuse gale
Didnt they use to use Java in web broswers instead of JS or something?
applets, yes
yikes
old wyvern
Security vulnerabilities
humble silo
exactly
obtuse gale
๐ฅฒ
humble silo
ew
old wyvern
but the jre is written in C
Yes, but it might as well be written in anything
obtuse gale
h
humble silo
coffeescript
forest pecan
Yes, but it might as well be written in anything
well duh lol
obtuse gale
When your Java installation completes, you may need to restart your browser (close all browser windows and re-open) to enable the Java installation.
old wyvern
That was my only point pulse
forest pecan
but in general, they should be written in C/C++ lol
old wyvern
Why?
humble silo
elara applets ๐ฅฐ
thats it im only writing in that now
forest pecan
Correction: Low level languages
old wyvern
Rust is low level?
forest pecan
Well yes but actually no
forest pecan
lol
old wyvern
even c++ is high level in a sense
But if you consider c++ low level
so is rust I assume
forest pecan
Yeah
humble silo
why is objective c considered one of the worst programming languages of all time?
is it that bad?
lunar cypress
If you want to get technical no programming languages except assembly languages are low level
old wyvern
^
forest pecan
If C++ is considered high level what is python
obtuse gale
I mean C++ is a high level language, but it allows for low level crap
obtuse gale
If C++ is considered high level what is python
skyrocket high
forest pecan
lmao
old wyvern
If C++ is considered high level what is python
still, high level
steel heart
C++ on drugs?
old wyvern
C++ on drugs?
Yea got caught smuggling monads
steel heart
old wyvern
Want a pack?
steel heart
E A T
humble silo
ramen?
steel heart
Yummy
humble silo
ramen
forest pecan
eat ramen at 1 am
lunar cypress
I suppose the question is what you define high level as. Do you define it as "relatively moved away from the hardware" or "supporting abstract programming concepts beyond the cpu instructions"
steel heart
Ramen time
forest pecan
spicy
forest pecan
Makes sense
old wyvern
Then just have lunch ig, is it normal to have ramen in the after noon?
humble silo
idk
forest pecan
Sure
humble silo
ok adios
old wyvern
ciao
steel heart
I suppose the question is what you define high level as. Do you define it as "re...
Both is right or no?
forest pecan
you talking about ramen like the fast one?
where you just add hot water
or like actual ramen
lunar cypress
Both is right or no?
Yes, but the second one is a lot stricter
old wyvern
What is the "actual" ramen?
humble silo
you can eat those anytime
ik, but i havent been
steel heart
Hmm interesting Johnny. Havenโt really thought about that one lol
steel heart
Gonna save it (:
forest pecan
chao mien is like stir fry noodles
old wyvern
Yea
steel heart
old wyvern
Is ramen not fried?
forest pecan
not always
steel heart
Ramen noodles (:
obtuse gale
we need #food back ๐ซ
old wyvern
So just boiled?
old wyvern
That sounds.... mildly... disgusting
lunar cypress
how could fried noodles possibly be disgusting
forest pecan
i didnt do that obviously. i bought one from a brand
lunar cypress
worst you can get is they taste like nothing
old wyvern
Wouldnt boiling without frying just make it watered down dough?
old wyvern
Johnny*
old wyvern
_he's damn serious_
No I just prefer calling people without the ending ys
I do the same for gab
lunar cypress
Have you never eaten non-fried noodles?
obtuse gale
Johnathan :)
old wyvern
Nope
forest pecan
Lmao
lunar cypress
lol ok
old wyvern
Johnathan :)
๐
lunar cypress
it's very common
old wyvern
Better than fried?
forest pecan
i mean, they are good in their own ways
ocean quartz
Did someone mention fried noodles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ani_6IRV20A
steel heart
Non fried noodles 
old wyvern
Alright, I need to find a place that sells these
forest pecan
Although, I commonly see soup noodles (the boiled noodles) pretty common around my area
lunar cypress
Find yourself an Italian restaurant
old wyvern
I might just order home
obtuse gale
oh god
half harness
lol
lunar cypress
perfect
half harness
that looks like a pot
lunar cypress
probably a bowl
old wyvern
Boil it?
forest pecan
lmao what
old wyvern
Inside out bowl
Cursed
humble silo
I'm gonna eat it cold
forest pecan
I'm gonna eat it cold
please dont lmao
you will throw up or smthing
it wont taste good
humble silo
Ok ok
half harness
f my scoreboard isn't working
obtuse gale
you will throw up or smthing
sounds like a not my problem
half harness
:c
lunar cypress
You already put it in water
forest pecan
or add hot water and stir it
humble silo
The water is boiled
humble silo
Idk a month?
old wyvern
how old is the ramen btw
a few years, give or take
forest pecan
lmao
humble silo
Right
forest pecan
my mom be like "either way you are getting the nutrients bro. It's just in a cheaper way"
lunar cypress
idk what the fuck an inside out bowl is
humble silo
Is this how it works?
old wyvern
xD
old wyvern
Is this how it works?
Oh yes, definitely
lunar cypress
lol
humble silo
Yum time to eat
old wyvern
dont forget to heat it till the plastic melts
old wyvern
Thats where the flavour is at
forest pecan
Yeah the plastic
old wyvern
Yum
forest pecan
For the extra flavor, tap in some bolts and screws
lunar cypress
do you know those silica packets from packages
forest pecan
Yeah lol
old wyvern
do you know those silica packets from packages
Ohhh tasty
lunar cypress
awesome flavour
old wyvern
ikr
forest pecan
im not capping, but you can eat those without dying unless you eat like 20 of those
lunar cypress
im not capping, but you can eat those without dying unless you eat like 20 of th...
yeah lol
forest pecan
They aren't super harmful but they will taste nasty
old wyvern
im not capping, but you can eat those without dying unless you eat like 20 of th...
Sounds like someone has tried ๐
forest pecan
lmao nah
old wyvern
lol
old wyvern
Vladmir Putin the Second?
lunar cypress
you can find big threads online of people discussing the taste
forest pecan
lunar cypress
eww
old wyvern
Please delete that embed
old wyvern
tf is that
lunar cypress
the forbidden cauliflower
old wyvern
a bust lung?
forest pecan
lol
old wyvern
forest pecan
never knew it would that tasty
forest pecan
old wyvern
Fuck state, Im just gonna have this write to a db and use that for reactions
old wyvern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCYHRHPyOUg
๐
forest pecan
lol
humble silo
Can raw pork kill you?
forest pecan
yes
humble silo
Perfect
old wyvern
According to "Contagion", it might also kill about a million people or so
lunar cypress
There's that one picture of the insides of a woman who only ate raw meat for years or something
Its disgusting af
old wyvern
lunar cypress
Everything full of worms
old wyvern
๐
forest pecan
lunar cypress
there it is
forest pecan
who the hell eats that shit
obtuse gale
A chinese woman
lunar cypress
On that note good night
humble silo
Food
cinder flare
Food
ah a fancy college student eating ramen nice ๐
I, too, have like 30 things of ramen in my pantry
humble silo
Who says im in college?
forest pecan
ur mom
cinder flare
lol
humble silo
Im in the streets
cinder flare
that's just the typical college meal
humble silo
fending for myself
cinder flare
oh
cinder flare
well makes even more sense
cinder flare
he writes it on the sidewalk
humble silo
trash can coding
cinder flare
and someone codes it for him
humble silo
or that
forest pecan
lol
humble silo
in the coals
forest pecan
what if you took an arm
humble silo
I have this large 20 pack of ramen
forest pecan
lol
onyx loom
standard
humble silo
Where do people get these nice profile pictures?
static zealot
which ones?
onyx loom
mine kappa
onyx loom
which ones are u talking about
obtuse gale
probably like Gian's or Skylar's
forest pecan
Where do people get these nice profile pictures?
they make em
onyx loom
blitz's pfp tho
forest pecan
what about mine
onyx loom
ugly
humble silo
they make em
i want
forest pecan
๐ฅฒ
onyx loom
blitz pfp is a masterpiece
static zealot
blitz pfp is a masterpiece
That's just a selfie
onyx loom
damn u sexy
forest pecan
I wanna sex
obtuse gale
Same
onyx loom
same
obtuse gale
wow what a bunch of virgins
forest pecan
lmao
onyx loom
๐ฅฒ
static zealot
wow what a bunch of virgins
Welcome to the group
forest pecan
Welcome to the group
my girlfriend isnt a virgin
but im not either
/s
i have no gf and im a virgin ๐ฅฒ
static zealot
k
ocean quartz
You're young though
cinder flare
you got it all figured out!
half harness
anyone want to help test out my bedwars plugin :p
half harness
;-;
sweet cipher
or
forest pecan
lmfao
obtuse gale
Did you guys see how nice console commands look on Paper now while you're typing them?
oblique heath
o.o
obtuse gale
Trying to replicate the in-game look & feel
red for unknown cmds
or invalid cmds/argumends
obtuse gale
humble silo
Ive told you so many times
obtuse gale
not me
humble silo
I wont expose my ip which is 192.0.0.1
i have best ip
i mean
no
not eastern
dumbo
humble silo
no
cinder flare
im tired too okay
humble silo
chestly time
obtuse gale
lol
cinder flare
west coast
humble silo
im tired too okay
well you have a reason to
humble silo
west coast
what timezone?
humble silo
I also mountain
cinder flare
what
humble silo
yes
cinder flare
are you in arizona
humble silo
ive told you where i live too
cinder flare
not in mountain then
humble silo
my exact adress
cinder flare
it's 7:44pm in mountain
obtuse gale
your neighbor's
humble silo
exactly incorrect
cinder flare
fucking what
humble silo
fucking what
entertain me
humble silo
cause
well
I dont have stuff due till friday
and im tired
so its not happening
cinder flare
bro next week is finals week for me
I just gotta finish out a few assignments and then take my finals and it's over
humble silo
I have two full months left, though monday was actually my first day in person in like 13 months
so that was interesting
late dove
yo so Im learning how to use maven? Except for one of the plugins im looking for a repo for i cannot find, can I still use the normal intellij dependencies(add jars or directories) and maven dependencies for my project?
cinder flare
first off, yikes to the maven thing
and second, yes you can use local libraries you download, just put them in a libs folder and add them to your maven local
humble silo
and second, yes you can use local libraries you download, just put them in a lib...
ew lib, wait i have one in every project ๐ซ
late dove
so ok im in my .m2 repositories folder, but how do i go ab putting my local dependencies into the project
?
humble silo
I was really dumb like 2 months ago and i made a dependency mangaement thingy that would search a directory for jar files and either install them in maven or gradle
it didnt work and caused me pain
well it did work actually
but not wel
late dove
thanks LOL
ocean quartz
Don't use system scope though
obtuse gale
Yet another reason for me to be even lazier when considering fully switching to linux
cinder flare
i gleefully await the day they announce they're replacing the Windows backend with a POSIX compliant one
obtuse gale
lol
cinder flare
then you can install the Windows desktop environment on any linux system >:)
obtuse gale
It's even on GH, nice https://github.com/microsoft/wslg
obtuse gale
They do
obtuse gale
dude they have everything on github now
Meaning both in a corporate strategy way and in a literal way lol
cinder flare
wtf is happening
obtuse gale
oh only for images though?
I can't seem to remove that one without deleting the message
obtuse gale
I mean I literally just copy/pasted like I'd do with an image
ocean quartz
Thanks I was looking for the pin assignments for the MC68H(R)C908JL3E
obtuse gale
I gotchu bro ๐ช
cinder flare
finally I can manufacture my.. uh... button?
hot hull
You dontt
ocean quartz
Literally no life smh
obtuse gale
no u
ocean quartz
Ooo i'm almost passing Aboo
obtuse gale
Lol
oblique heath
regal gale
๐
hot hull
Ok good night
You mean good morning right?
static zealot
No
hot hull
Fix your sleep schedule nerd
ocean quartz
Never
static zealot
K nerd. You finally did yours and noe you are acting all cool and shit
hot hull
Mine was never fucked to begin with
forest rover
hi
forest rover
Fix your sleep schedule nerd
it is night
forest pecan
Itโs like 12 am and Iโm writing shitty code
Someone help lmao
Who wants to see the shit code
humble silo
Ive decided to switch over to only using sun. classes
I good coder
and i got this wanky new compiler that doesnt complain when i do it in java 11
i mean what?
humble silo
Who wants to see the shit code
show
though i will hate on u if its better than mine
ftr
humble silo
no it must be truly trash
forest pecan
humble silo
why would you check it in if its that bad??
forest pecan
Cause Iโm about to sleep
And when I wake up I gotta go somewhere
And I bring my laptop
humble silo
#heavyweight constructors
forest pecan
Which got the IDE
lol
Yeah
Thatโs what Iโm talking about
The constructors are so DRY
humble silo
final File downloaded = new File(library.getImageFolder().toFile(), FilenameUtils.getName(url));
try {
FileUtils.copyURLToFile(new URL(url), downloaded);
} catch (final IOException e) {
e.printStackTrace();
}
images = ImageUtilities.getFrames(downloaded);
frameDuration = ImageUtilities.getGifFrameDelay(downloaded);
scheduler = Executors.newScheduledThreadPool(1);
Mhm
humble silo
in a constructor ftr
forest pecan
I need to sleep lmao
humble silo
why didnt you just put that in your build method of the builder?
Pulse, im disapointed, i dont see any sun. usage here
forest pecan
Well ideally, i would put it as its own method
humble silo
Why use string when you could allocate and set space with Unsafe?
forest pecan
Yeah
humble silo
I got this great native library that adds pointers and everything into java too
And it will shut down the jvm if you try to use any features that make java java
Im not funny
forest pecan
๐ฅฒ
forest pecan
The only thing I hate about it is the stupid destroy thing
lol
Though it makes sense
Cause there ainโt any GC
obtuse gale
Wait until you hear about smart pointers ๐
forest pecan
Whatโs that
forest pecan
Coding in C++ actually requires skill cause if you fuck up pointers you could just cause memory corruption Lmao
cinder flare
smart pointers are just pointers that make you want to end your life less
forest pecan
Kek
ocean quartz
I would be a dumb pointer
humble silo
Coding in C++ actually requires skill cause if you fuck up pointers you could ju...
I made snake in C then i was like, great goes on My resume and im done
lol i didnt actually put it on my resume
that would be funny though
cinder flare
Coding in C++ actually requires skill cause if you fuck up pointers you could ju...
wdym, i love just reading forever from an array and seeing what memory pops up!
obtuse gale
smart pointers are just pointers that make you want to end your life less
Well you just forget about new and delete
But it's a tradeoff
humble silo
wdym, i love just reading forever from an array and seeing what memory pops up!
best way to get passwords
obtuse gale
Because then you have to think about ownership
cinder flare
Because then you have to think about ownership
i'll own you
obtuse gale
๐ณ
cinder flare
is kinda like rust
obtuse gale
i'll own you
When did the erp start?
forest pecan
C++ be livin on the edge
cinder flare
what show is that again?
She-Ra :)
humble silo
you like?
humble silo
She-Ra \:)
Im binging, what platform
forest pecan
now import every single class in the jdk
forest pecan
Lmao
humble silo
really?
cinder flare
wdym what platform then
humble silo
lol
cinder flare
netflix is like, the most default
cinder flare
MML finna be payin for Pulse's netflix subscription
forest pecan
I donโt get any money lol
I do it cause of motivation
Oh
xD
Stars on a gh repo surprisingly motivate more than I thought
humble silo
You can be another SuperDeluxeAsyncWhateverItsCalled
forest pecan
Yes lmao
cinder flare
Stars on a gh repo surprisingly motivate more than I thought
i know i know, i'm very motivating
forest pecan
Yes@
cinder flare
coke
humble silo
Im so sad, ive never gotten a star 
cinder flare
yes
humble silo
Each day I code
impossible
forest pecan
I come closer 3 inches everytime I push a commit
cinder flare
also why the integral symbol look like shit
forest pecan
Idk
cinder flare
it looks like its got a thing in the middle
forest pecan
Itโs all your fault
cinder flare
๐ฆ
forest pecan
๐ฎ
obtuse gale
Looks fine on mobile
oblique heath
how silly would it be to only access an sql db from one connection pool on one server, and use sockets to request a query through that pool
rather than connecting straight to the sql db from a bunch of servers at once
cinder flare
why]
oblique heath
because connection pools eat up a lot of connections
and sql can't exactly handle infinitely many
cinder flare
how many servers we talkin
cause im sure it can handle like 4-5 servers at least wroth
cinder flare
who tf has 30 or 50 servers
oblique heath
i hope to :3
cinder flare
not even like hypixel does that
cinder flare
i know but they don't all connect to a single sql database lmao
oblique heath
exactly
cinder flare
that's when you use other kinds of databases
oblique heath
hm
jovial warren
they probably use Mongo where Mongo is useful
using Mongo to store permission/punishment data is a curse
but Mongo has its uses
steel heart
Yeah in that sense presumably
jovial warren
Mongo is basically a frontend to JSON, meaning you can store objects within objects
which is useful when you want children that are not repeated
steel heart
The point with mongo is to store unstructured data tho
jovial warren
(e.g. Paperโs downloads API uses Mongo because it allows them to have all the builds under a single version object, and further down the tree)
hot hull
which is useful when you want children that are not repeated
Ew, you want children?
jovial warren
The point with mongo is to store unstructured data tho
not true
steel heart
Yes thatโs what itโs main usage is for
jovial warren
Ew, you want children?
on a serious note, yes I do, but thatโs not what I mean here of course lol
jovial warren
Yes thatโs what itโs main usage is for
JSON isnโt unstructured
steel heart
The data is unstructured not json lol
jovial warren
Mongo is a frontend to JSON
all Mongo data is stored in JSON
thatโs just a fact
prisma wave
Bson
lunar cypress
JSON data is unstructured
You can impose an additional structure, but it's not required for json
jovial warren
fair
steel heart
Yes itโs stored in json format? But itโs able to handle unstructured data at a good speed thatโs like itโs main usage and itโs an irrefutable fact
jovial warren
true I guess
example of where Mongo sucks though is LuckPerms
since you need an entry to relate to other entries in other tables
steel heart
Yeah thatโs probably one instance
jovial warren
(users have their permissions in a different table, and those need to be related)
steel heart
Havenโt personally thought about that but it sounds correct not to use mongo there
jovial warren
but Mongo triumphs for unstructured and non-relational data, for example the Paper downloads API
steel heart
Hmm yeah I mostly use it for logs
jovial warren
who tf stores logs in a database table
do you know what a log file is?
I just use RollingRandomAccessFile in my Log4J 2 config and it handles all the logging and GZIPping for me
may or may not have stolen it straight from vanillaโs Log4J 2 config
steel heart
Lol yeah Idk I mean the data is unstructured and it wouldnโt need a lot of files
jovial warren
the only problem with my thing is that with the amount of times I start and stop Krypton, you end up with a hell of a lot of old zipped log files
quiet depot
ur still meant to have a strict schematic when using mongo
jovial warren
I mean, they take up very low amounts of storage (GZIP seems to be able to compress like 10 MB worth of text log data down into a matter of kilobytes), but it still makes me scroll
jovial warren
ur still meant to have a strict schematic when using mongo
yeah it doesnโt make sense to use a database without at least some form of structure or organisation of your data, if you have no structure then you might as well just shove it all in the same file
an unstructured database is about as useful as a chocolate fire guard
the whole point of databases is so you can organise data into something that wonโt make you go insane
hot hull
an unstructured database is about as useful as a chocolate fire guard
As a what now?
jovial warren
As a what now?
chocolate fire guard
lol
I wonder if any other British people here have heard that one before
not sure if itโs a British phrase, English language phrase, or just not a common phrase at all lol
lunar cypress
an unstructured database is about as useful as a chocolate fire guard
that is not true
lunar cypress
No?
oak coyote
I wonder if any other British people here have heard that one before
I have not
lunar cypress
The point of databases is to store data, first and foremost
Idk why working without a schema would render your schemaless supporting database useless
oak coyote
Iโm just too distracted by the โchocolate fire guardโ rn
jovial warren
but whatโs the point in using a database for unorganised data? if you want unorganised data, you might as well just store it all in a text file
oak coyote
Letโs put it in a database then my pc wonโt go brrr anymore
lunar cypress
"I can add attributes to pieces of data as I like"
"well why don't you store everything in a text file then??"
oak coyote
Wait a second thatโs not how this works ๐ฑ
I donโt use databases enough Iโm just lazy to create them as Iโve never learnt all the theory behind them
lunar cypress
And if we get to entirely different databases it doesn't even make sense to force the use of a schema
look at datalog
Sure you can use schemas and you probably should when you can, but for the layout of the database it doesn't matter at all
The only thing you really get is indices
jovial warren
"I can add attributes to pieces of data as I like"
"well why don't you store ev...
fair point
unorganised data is an anti pattern though, as itโs not going to be very readable is it
oak coyote
Youโre still going with this ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
I wonder if any other British people here have heard that one before
I've heard "chocolate teapot", never that
jovial warren
yeah my stepdad uses that one too
tempted to showcase Krypton lol
because why not
lunar cypress
unorganised data is an anti pattern though, as itโs not going to be very readabl...
please elaborate on that
that just sounds like you threw a bunch of buzzwords together
jovial warren
please elaborate on that
if everything is all over the place, and basically unreadable, what use is it to you?
lunar cypress
well... yeah, but what kind of point is that? Putting all your data in /dev/null is useless too and nobody is arguing that
jovial warren
lol
facts
imagine putting all your data in /dev/null yourself though
/dev/null as a service
prisma wave
that just sounds like you threw a bunch of buzzwords together
blockchain modern pragmatic inversion principle
quiet depot
ai blockchain deep machine learning python algorithm
steel heart
๐ฅฒ
lunar cypress
Clojure vectors are faster than Java arraylists confirmed??
676.048785 +- 64.531253 ms/op
860.381775 +- 200.338442 ms/op
(adding 1M elements to an empty collection)
lunar cypress
I wonder where the big error for arraylists comes from
old wyvern
Big error?
lunar cypress
10 iterations with 3 forks
quiet depot
@lunar cypress are those tests ready to run?
lunar cypress
nope, some are still skipped for some reason that I'm trying to find
jovial warren
should Java vectors be used where the data will most likely be resized often?
lunar cypress
the jmh gradle plugin doesn't put thousands of null bytes in the results file anymore at least
quiet depot
I don't get how that plugin works
while it's running it has a text file with all the tests in plaintext
then once it's finished it's all converted to hex
surely I'm missing something
lunar cypress
then once it's finished it's all converted to hex
no
lunar cypress
No, you provide the result format you want to have
quiet depot
oh so when we did it before, you manually set it to that?
lunar cypress
no, I set it to txt or csv
the fact that they put null bytes in the results file was a bug
apparently
because it's gone 2 patch versions later
and now they put the interim results on stdout
which also makes a lot more sense
quiet depot
last time I personally used jmh though it wasn't like that
maybe I used it differently
lunar cypress
what was it like
lunar cypress
and now they put the interim results on stdout
.
quiet depot
just checked, I was using the plugin too
lunar cypress
but it didn't use the same default behaviour
quiet depot
yeah that's the one I used too
lunar cypress
there is no official gradle plugin
quiet depot
o
lunar cypress
which version did you use
quiet depot
0.5.2
lunar cypress
then they must have introduced a bug
quiet depot
or my shit memory is making things up and idk what i'm talking about
lunar cypress
also I just realised that picking a random index from 0 to a fixed size when the collection size is getting smaller continuously blows up
I'm a genius
rare condor
hi, can anyone tell me how to create my own MySQL database, because i never did it before
quiet depot
on localhost?
rare condor
ye
jovial warren
install MariaDB first
rare condor
okay, give me a sec i will install it
quiet depot
if you're installing mariadb you'll probably need to uninstall mysql first