dev-general

[prisma wave]

not perfect but good enough to eliminate most issues

[quiet depot]

what's a type hint?

[prisma wave]

def blah(a: string)

It's not static typing afaik but it's enough that IDEs can produce an error

[quiet depot]

the problem I have with languages that force dynamic typing is that dynamic typing is an inherent property of static typing

so you should be giving your users a choice to use either

what I mean by that, is you can achieve dynamic typing in static languages

but you cannot achieve static typing in a dynamic language

[prisma wave]

Which?

Only one I can think of is typescript**

[quiet depot]

java can do dynamic typing

[prisma wave]

Replicating it in java is painful though

[quiet depot]

it's not pretty by any mean but it's possible

the language has to make it pretty

[prisma wave]

and the only one that does is TS

Afaik

[quiet depot]

yeah, so that's a problem

but it's a problem that should've been tackled by these languages

not simply ignored

[prisma wave]

imo a better way is less restrictive type systems

[quiet depot]

frankly I'm not sure how it would be achieved

hopefully someone smarter than me in the future can figure out a way

[prisma wave]

well this is kinda what we tried to do with elara

[oak raft]

🖐️

[prisma wave]

where you can have anonymous interfaces, and any function just uses that interface as a type

[static zealot]

elara 🤣

[quiet depot]

that's one way

[half harness]

😬

yes

[old wyvern]

Yea I mean elaras way is nice, but getting it to work on the jvm properly is just hell

[prisma wave]

I'm not sure it's impossible

[half harness]

if you want you can put a contract

[old wyvern]

Not impossible, just unreasonable

[prisma wave]

invokedynamic exists specifically for dynamic typing on the jvm

[old wyvern]

Interop

[prisma wave]

true

[quiet depot]

add elara to graal

[prisma wave]

😮

[pale shell]

I swear bm knows everything its kinda sus at this point.

[prisma wave]

yep

[oak raft]

yeah he knows too much

[prisma wave]

literally everything

[half harness]

🤓

[quiet depot]

bm how many references are there to a particular class (class itself, or it's path) in a urlclassloader

no cheat

you've got 10 seconds

[prisma wave]

uh

At least 2

[quiet depot]

time's up

needed a definite answer

[half harness]

bm what is 17264 * 234

[oak raft]

ok so looks like he doesn't know everything

[quiet depot]

pretty sure it's 3

[half harness]

no cheat

[prisma wave]

Darn

[old wyvern]

definite

🥲

[quiet depot]

well I can't remember

I used to know

but I can't remember

[old wyvern]

Rip

[quiet depot]

I have a strong feeling it's 3

[prisma wave]

big

[old wyvern]

Damn

He really do know everything

Bm

[prisma wave]

😌

[old wyvern]

When did the dev create the universe?

[prisma wave]

a while ago

[old wyvern]

What version are we on?

[oak raft]

v2021

[prisma wave]

2021

damn

[old wyvern]

Prophet Monad

[old wyvern]

😮

[prisma wave]

how do we know Simon isn't the 2nd coming of Jesus?

[old wyvern]

😮 😮 😮

[oak raft]

what language(s) were used when creating the universe?

[old wyvern]

Haskell

Rust

Go

[prisma wave]

^^

[old wyvern]

Elara

[static zealot]

but what was before 0 then? Beta?

[prisma wave]

Yes

[oak raft]

oh yeah elara is a big one

[half harness]

what was the first version

[old wyvern]

Mhm

[old wyvern]

0.0.1 Alpha

[static zealot]

BM when's that java tutorial coming? xD

[old wyvern]

Earth v3021

[oak raft]

yes pls bm

[prisma wave]

possibly soon actually

I kinda forgot about it

But

[half harness]

😦

[oak raft]

ok then remember 😠

[prisma wave]

ok

[old wyvern]

Bm whats the shortcut to switch between v desktops?

[prisma wave]

win + tab maybe?

[half harness]

when is soon

[prisma wave]

I don't actually use them so

[half harness]

2 months?

[prisma wave]

Probably less

[old wyvern]

Doesnt seem to be it

[oak raft]

tomorrow 🙂

[old wyvern]

It shows displays on win + tab

[half harness]

winkey + ctrl + arrow key i think

[old wyvern]

Not on windows dkim

[half harness]

wait what

oh

then idk lol

[quiet depot]

fun fact virtual desktops originated in linux like over a decade before windows I think

[old wyvern]

😮

[prisma wave]

yeah like most things

[half harness]

wrong

waay off

4039776

lol

[old wyvern]

Got everything setup 😌

[quiet depot]

D:

[hot hull]

No you don't

[half harness]

ew imagine not having discord

[quiet depot]

you should've tried out sublime

[prisma wave]

Cute

It's no Emacs

[quiet depot]

ur making all the wrong decisions smh

[hot hull]

Stop fucking screenshitting

[old wyvern]

🥲

[quiet depot]

first u choose manjaro instead of neon

[half harness]

is that a red curtain

[quiet depot]

now ur using vscode instead of sublime

[old wyvern]

Ill use sublime for web dev piggy

[prisma wave]

use Emacs

[old wyvern]

Vscode has better integrations for haskell

[old wyvern]

🥲

[quiet depot]

got bridget r u an emacs nerd now

[prisma wave]

Kinda

[quiet depot]

doesn't haskell have an lsp?

[old wyvern]

Maybe later

[prisma wave]

Yes

[old wyvern]

Rn vscode works

[quiet depot]

then how does vscode have better integration

the functionality is dependent on the lsp not the editor (so long the editor can fully support the lsp, in which case I think both sublime & vscode can)

[old wyvern]

lsp?

[quiet depot]

language server protocol

[old wyvern]

Language server?

Yea

It does

[prisma wave]

works flawlessly out of the box in Emacs

[quiet depot]

unless vscode has extras ontop of the lsp?

[prisma wave]

Not so much in vim

[quiet depot]

bm iwanio is switching from emacs to sublime

doesn't that tell u something

[prisma wave]

Seems to have integrated documentation which is nice, but that might be a lsp thing

☹️

[old wyvern]

The comment execution is also probably the lsp

So not really sure 🤷

[prisma wave]

Java bad

[quiet depot]

potato pc

[old wyvern]

I mean this works, dont think theres going to be a big diff with using sublime

[forest pecan]

use atom

/s

[ocean quartz]

Use electron

[forest pecan]

i actually like atom a lot for doing a lot of simple configuration stuff for repos

[ocean quartz]

Atom looks really nice but boy is it slow and heavy

[quiet depot]

can't really understand atom's popularity

[old wyvern]

Dont make me switch to kwrite 🥲

[quiet depot]

like I can respect vscode

but atom?

why

[prisma wave]

It's not very popular anymore Afaik

[ocean quartz]

Piggy the popularity is just because of the looks, people loved how it looked when it was released
But it's way too heavy and slow so people stopped using it

[quiet depot]

but I swear it basically looks the same as sublime with material theme

haven't looked at in a while

but back when it was first getting popular

[half harness]

uh

[quiet depot]

yeah

basically looks like sublime with material theme

[half harness]

no clue

😦

wot

i did?

uhhh

[ocean quartz]

Did sublime have material theme back then?

[forest pecan]

lmao i have like 4 text ediors installed

brackets, atom, sublime, notepad++

[oak raft]

but why

[forest pecan]

well i was originally using brackets before i got my student dev package

for web dev

[ocean quartz]

I remember trying Atom, Sublime, and Brackets, only liked how Atom looked, but then again i had no idea about material themes back then

[forest pecan]

notepad++ was the first editor I got and it served me very well

[ocean quartz]

Brackets was the worse

[forest pecan]

Brackets just doesnt work anymore today lol

it uses adobe flash

and that died

[oak raft]

So what do you use now Matt?

[prisma wave]

Why would anyone ever use brackets

[forest pecan]

lightweight

[ocean quartz]

I use VSCode

[forest pecan]

i dont use brackets anymore tho

[oak raft]

#chat-reaction message

???

[quiet depot]

sublime was the first editor with a "material theme" afaik

[old wyvern]

Used to

[quiet depot]

pretty sure it did have material theme back then

but I'm not certain

[ocean quartz]

Nice, if I knew how that stuff worked i probably would have stuck with Sublime

[quiet depot]

I remember trying atom back in the day because it does look nice

and then it started loading

and kept loading

and nah fuck that

[forest pecan]

lol

[old wyvern]

Lmao

[ocean quartz]

Basically

[old wyvern]

I have just a lot of random editors installed on windows

[forest pecan]

^ thats me too

[old wyvern]

🥲

[ocean quartz]

Then you looked at task manager and it's using 6gb out of your 8gb of ram

[forest pecan]

honestly notepad++ is solid

[quiet depot]

does vscode consistently get new features?

[prisma wave]

autoremove that shit

[prisma wave]

Yeah

[quiet depot]

it's on its way to idehood

[old wyvern]

How do you mean?

Idek what all I have installed

I have a few jb stuff I should probably get rid of

[prisma wave]

apt autoremove 🥰

[old wyvern]

Like rubymine

[old wyvern]

🥲

[quiet depot]

yugi is that vscode thing you have installed on linux the same as regular vscode?

[lost forge]

I used np++ every day till I discovered vscode

[old wyvern]

Yes piggy, just without microsoft tracking stuff or something

Basically a build of the open source version

[prisma wave]

it's the chromium to chrome

[quiet depot]

ah okie

[old wyvern]

Star recommended it yesterday

[half harness]

wat

isn't chromium by google

[prisma wave]

is that code-oss Yugi?

[quiet depot]

i still use chrome on linux

[old wyvern]

codeoss?

[forest pecan]

i never knew what chromium was. I deleted it cause i thought it was a virus

lol

[old wyvern]

There are virus variants

[quiet depot]

chromium is the open source core behind chrome and I think electron apps

[prisma wave]

Yes but it's open source and Doesn't have a lot of the tracking stuff

[forest pecan]

Oh really?

[old wyvern]

Yes

[prisma wave]

yea

[ocean quartz]

I tried many and ended up with vscode as well xad

[forest pecan]

that may be why

[old wyvern]

Its called codium bm

vscodium

[quiet depot]

fyi chromium also doesn't have a lot of key chrome features

[old wyvern]

Unless you mean open source?

In which case

Yes

Its also in the aur

[prisma wave]

oh

Yeah

oss is the one I use

[quiet depot]

what does aur stand for? Arch user repository?

[prisma wave]

Yes

[old wyvern]

Yes

[quiet depot]

lucky guess

[oak raft]

Isn't chromium a virus...?

[quiet depot]

no

[prisma wave]

no lmao

[old wyvern]

No, there are people who use it to build viruses

[oak raft]

Ah

[ocean quartz]

Vscodium sounds like the name of a drug for web devs lmao

[old wyvern]

You can get malicious versions of chromium while installing random stuff

[quiet depot]

web devs need lots of drugs to enjoy what they do

[old wyvern]

I got one when downloading a game mod

[forest pecan]

how many grams you been smokin vscodium

ive been onto 10 pounds

wbu

[old wyvern]

Lmao

[regal gale]

Selenium uses Chromium lol

[oak raft]

Alright because I suddenly found it installed on my pc one day and bitdefender told me it was a virus 🙂

[ocean quartz]

I'd need double the dose of a web dev to enjoy that stuff

[quiet depot]

what's selenium

[old wyvern]

Web testing framework

Simulates a user

[forest pecan]

triple dose. remember we must get higher tolerance

[old wyvern]

Or rather helps simulate a user

[regal gale]

Control the interaction of a website

I used it in some projects

[quiet depot]

ohhh yeah I've seen that before

[forest pecan]

my friend is a web developer he can hack into your computer

[quiet depot]

we actually use it in helpchat now that I think of it

for secret purposes

[forest pecan]

👀

[regal gale]

what

[old wyvern]

Sus

Real sus

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-gif-20302681

[old wyvern]

Helpchat hidden agenda

[forest pecan]

HelpChat propaganda?

[old wyvern]

Yes

[quiet depot]

helpchat is gonna become the next google

[prisma wave]

WHAT are they hiding FROM us!!!

[oak raft]

there's a lot of hidden propaganda in helpchat

[old wyvern]

They are hiding secret haskell tech

[pallid gale]

oh yes

its not currently in active use

[oak raft]

see? even the supreme leader is admitting it

[pallid gale]

its standing by

[forest pecan]

tell us

[prisma wave]

crikey

[forest pecan]

(:

[old wyvern]

A missile?

[ocean quartz]

Can he fix my fridge?

[old wyvern]

😌

[forest pecan]

Yes

he can hack into freezer

[prisma wave]

oh btw yugi I had a look at Kubernetes and it looks perfect

[old wyvern]

Lmao I remeber the time one of the staf from my old school called me to fix their computer or whatever, it was infected by a randomware tf am i supposed to do, thats the first and only time i've ever experienced one

[old wyvern]

😮

I havent finished my course yet

Exams this week

So ill finish it next week

[quiet depot]

randomware

[old wyvern]

Ransomware*

[quiet depot]

does that have like a random chance of executing scheduled tasks or something?

[old wyvern]

It encrypted all files

And left a webpage

With some instructions

Thats about it

[prisma wave]

okay it seems pretty straightforward

[old wyvern]

The guy just formatted and reinstalled windows later on after not being able to fix it

[prisma wave]

I guess for money we can run an ad on the loading screen or something

[forest pecan]

lmfao

[old wyvern]

Yea

[prisma wave]

Cuz if we end up using azure or aws that's gonna be expensive

[old wyvern]

And maybe donations

[old wyvern]

True

[lunar cypress]

what are you up to

[old wyvern]

Clash remake

[quiet depot]

clash of clans or clash of code

[old wyvern]

Code

[oak raft]

clans

all the way

[forest pecan]

clash of coc

[prisma wave]

Yeah perhaps a premium mode: animated icon, more customisation in private games, etc

[old wyvern]

Yea sounds good

[ocean quartz]

Remake clash as a discord bot, assign a channel to every participant

[quiet depot]

o u guys working on it together?

pls api

[old wyvern]

Yes

[prisma wave]

haven't stated yet but yeah

[old wyvern]

Lol

[prisma wave]

ofc api

[quiet depot]

pls non shit api

[prisma wave]

ofc

[ocean quartz]

Lmao

[old wyvern]

xD

[prisma wave]

Open source too

[old wyvern]

Yes

[quiet depot]

pls not haskell

[prisma wave]

uhh

[quiet depot]

smh

[old wyvern]

🧐

[forest pecan]

(:

[prisma wave]

we might use haskell somewhere in the stack

[old wyvern]

xD

[prisma wave]

Go also seems like a good choice though

[old wyvern]

The api is probably a rest endpoint so it shouldnt matter

[prisma wave]

Indeed

[quiet depot]

yes but it's about contributors

[prisma wave]

ic

[oak raft]

you're serious about this bm?

[quiet depot]

using haskell is kinda like saying "please don't contribute"

[prisma wave]

I mean

[quiet depot]

imo at least

[old wyvern]

True but I think a small part being haskell should be fine

[ocean quartz]

Agree

[prisma wave]

I was serious about the tutorial and elara so

But yes I'd like to make this a thing

[old wyvern]

😂

[ocean quartz]

Bm don't give up on your dreams you can do it

[lunar cypress]

using haskell would just end this quicker 🥲

[prisma wave]

They're not given up, just postponed

[forest pecan]

end the sufferring quick

[jovial warren]

lol

[prisma wave]

I think we need to figure out an architecture and stuff before we even think about languages

[ocean quartz]

Ah yeah mb, you'll work on it tomorrow 🥲

[jovial warren]

what have I walked in to

[forest pecan]

ur mom

[half harness]

smh

doing it for money

[lunar cypress]

i would love to help but I'm currently being forced to sit through my math tutor summoning demons or something

[jovial warren]

smh pulse

[prisma wave]

bruh

[prisma wave]

what on earth

[old wyvern]

Wtf is that

😂

[jovial warren]

also, BM aren’t you in school rn

[old wyvern]

Greeks would run

[prisma wave]

as I said, if we used azure or aws that's gonna be expensive

[prisma wave]

Yes

[quiet depot]

||(n,n)||^2=n^2+n^2=2n^2->infinity

[jovial warren]

or GCP

[quiet depot]

what the fuck is wrong with that pic johnny

[old wyvern]

I mean bm we can just use a cheap tier initially and scale up later as needed

[half harness]

imagine not having a rpi

[old wyvern]

I dont expect a lot of users to instantly start using it

[quiet depot]

does ur teacher not know how to lift up their pen or something

[lunar cypress]

man's stylus is broken

[jovial warren]

I can’t even read that

[lunar cypress]

it being german and terrible handwriting doesn't help

[quiet depot]

bm are you looking for a host?

[jovial warren]

and I thought I’d seen terrible adult handwriting before, jesus chris

[jovial warren]

Hetzner good

[lunar cypress]

though I'm not sure whether pure notation is much better

[old wyvern]

God

[jovial warren]

can recommend Hetzner and OVH

[prisma wave]

Yeah

[forest pecan]

wtf is that shit

lmao

[ocean quartz]

So many lines around

[prisma wave]

If this scales we'll need multiple

Kubernetes across multiple nodes

[quiet depot]

one of my classes at school is done remotely because it's very unpopular, my teacher writes with a mouse and it's more legible than that

[old wyvern]

Yea same for me piggy

Most of my profs write with a mouse

[jovial warren]

use something basic to start with BM

starting with AWS is a terrible idea

[old wyvern]

Except a few who think writing on a whiteboard and streaming it though camera works

[quiet depot]

bm for a basic host

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

https://my.hostus.us/cart.php?a=add&pid=64

Requested by: PiggyPiglet • best-vps-deal

[jovial warren]

always look for uses first

[half harness]

well thats easy to unobfuscate

super short

[hot hull]

Tell the retard that obfuscated it to get a life

[old wyvern]

Is that the same setup you sent me earlier piggy?

[quiet depot]

that vps link?

[old wyvern]

Yea

[quiet depot]

could be

[hot hull]

ah

[quiet depot]

it's the one I use

[old wyvern]

Lemme check

Oh wait no

Cant

[jovial warren]

you know all the mappings for both client and server are openly released as of 1.15.2 right?

[old wyvern]

The details are on my windows drive

[regal gale]

That obfuscated thing is either a forge or Minecraft's net.minecraft.client

I interacted with it once

[quiet depot]

why can't you check your windows drive?

[old wyvern]

Shuting this down takes forever

[jovial warren]

EnumChatFormat is NMS

[quiet depot]

you don't have to shut it down

just mount your windows drive

[jovial warren]

you can find the link in versions.json I think it is in your .minecraft folder

[old wyvern]

Oh I dont think I can mount without messing it up, I have fast boot enabled

[quiet depot]

oh

[jovial warren]

deobfuscate it

with the mappings

so you can keep your sanity

and not do a Bukkit and end up with NMS

[obtuse gale]

you know that ain't bukkit right?

[quiet depot]

@prisma wave going back to the discussion earlier

[obtuse gale]

that's forge

[quiet depot]

I think I mentioned all my reasons for python hate

do you think my hate is justified or not?

[jovial warren]

EnumChatFormat lol

[obtuse gale]

what

[jovial warren]

that’s straight out of NMS I swear

oh actually, no, you’re right

yeah

[obtuse gale]

that's forge
what do you think you use on forge you 4head

🤢

[jovial warren]

just use the obfuscation mappings and patch Minecraft yourself if you want a modified client

don’t bother with Forge

you’ll lose your mind

the official mappings still expose the donkey coding of vanilla, but it’s far better than NMS and forge combined

oh btw actually, fun fact: Spigot recently switched to using the same package layout as vanilla, instead of it all just being in net.minecraft.server

[obtuse gale]

ok

[jovial warren]

so the donkey mappings are finally gone

well, partly

https://imgflip.com/i/569qut

[pale shell]

textcolor?

[jovial warren]

Adventure’s one that supports RGB

[pale shell]

rgb pog

[obtuse gale]

I mean... so does chatcolor?

[jovial warren]

yeah but ChatColor is a mess

because of backwards compatibility

[obtuse gale]

RGB is no valid excuse lol

[jovial warren]

also, &# > &<#>

[obtuse gale]

wat

[jovial warren]

legacy component serialiser supports the former

I believe the latter is Bukkit’s

[obtuse gale]

not at all lol

[jovial warren]

might be wrong though

I heard it’s whack

[obtuse gale]

For legacy strings it does the §x§r§r§g§g§b§b but the ChatColor.of(String) method accepts #[0-9a-fA-F]{6}

I don't even think you can serialize to legacy

[jovial warren]

ah okay

[obtuse gale]

Finally something good

[jovial warren]

Adventure doesn’t promote serialising to legacy, just allows it

[oak raft]

ghost ping?

[half harness]

-_-

[oak raft]

dkim was that you? -_-

[jovial warren]

also, Adventure’s not perfect, but it’s sure as hell better than it’s predecessors @obtuse gale

[obtuse gale]

wait a fucking second yes it does lmao

[jovial warren]

the BungeeCord chat API is a mess and a half

[half harness]

i thought you had this channel selected-

[obtuse gale]

it's a protected method though hm

[oak raft]

lmfao

nah I went to another discord my friends were arguing in

[half harness]

o

[jovial warren]

I might make an Adventure extension for Kotlin that has constructor functions to replace the static interface methods

e.g. Key(namespace, value) instead of Key.key(namespace, value)

[old wyvern]

Ok grub just updated

And thankfully detected windows again

[jovial warren]

because static interface methods in Kotlin are ugly as fuck

[obtuse gale]

sounds like a kt problem

[ocean quartz]

They are both horrible lol

[obtuse gale]

I don't think you'll have much of an issue getting to understand how to work with it

Maybe the whole value/reference/pointer thing when passing data to functions, that gets everyone
The fact you ought to consider where to store each object you create, if you use new and store it on the heap or not, when to do it, how does the object lifetime affect the objects you use, if it'll be available when you return etc;
Copy constructors and move constructors ah sheesh
And heap loads of things I'm not mentioning

They are things that you don't need to think about when you're starting and you don't need to think about anymore once you learn them (you "just use them") unless you really get into to some intricate things

Oh and don't get near the lambdas 🙂 they don't bite but don't get near them

[old wyvern]

Why

Just looked them up, im not sure I understand, what exactly is wrong with lambdas in cpp?

[obtuse gale]

[ /* capture */ ]( /* args */ ) { /* code */ }

mostly the capture thing

[winter iron]

Yo anyone can do a massive favor and help me test my plugin n shit [You need to put it on a 1.16.5 server and some other stuff, might take a hot minute]

[old wyvern]

Ah, doesnt seem too bad

Is there no way for it to check captures by itself?

[obtuse gale]

&?? =???? x = &x to capture local vars, i whatever i is??

[obtuse gale]

huh?

[old wyvern]

As in like most other languages, where the compiler takes care of finding whats captured

[oak raft]

I got you

[oak raft]

Dm me the ip

[old wyvern]

This seems fine

[winter iron]

Remence, I need your to install the plugin on your own test server and do some stuff on the web app

[oak raft]

Sure

[obtuse gale]

eh the thing is that lambdas by themselves are self-contained and have no relation to the outside world other than "it's a function", no access to other variables; then yeah & to capture all vars by reference and = to capture all vars by value

[winter iron]

Alright ill dm u the stuff

[old wyvern]

Thats actually great

[obtuse gale]

but it's annoying lol because then you can do that per-variable

[old wyvern]

Somewhat pure functions

Not really

But kinda

[old wyvern]

Wait

Wdym?

[hot hull]

What in the fuck

[frail glade]

lgtm.

[hot hull]

wat

[frail glade]

Looks good to me.

[hot hull]

ew Glare

[obtuse gale]

int x = 5, y = 10, z = 15;
auto func1 = [&x = x, y = y, z = &z]() { return x * y * *z; };
// capture outside x by ref, y by value, z is a pointer to outside z (I don't see why this would be useful lol)
auto func2 = [=]() { return x * y * z; }; // capture all by value (copies, "snapshots")
auto func3 = [&]() { return x * y * z; };  // capture all by ref (uses the actual object)
auto func4 = []() { return x * y * z; };  // don't capture anything, x y and z don't exist, compile time error
auto func5 = [&x = x](int y) { return x * y; };  // capture x by ref, take an int param which I'll name y, different from the outer y since I'm not capturing it

I mean they are just fine really and I'm just ranting over the fact I understood jack about them when I first came across them

At the time I was too spoiled with how Java does lambdas lol

oh man I really need to go pee

it gives waaaay too much control

oh yeah and you gotta think about object lifetime unlike java ugh

segfault go brrrr

[static zealot]

what's wrong with this tho?

[old wyvern]

Yea, personally I think this is fine

[old wyvern]

Ah fair enough

[old wyvern]

Mm

[obtuse gale]

oh wait you can actually explicitly define the return type

[/* captures */](/* params */) -> /* return type */ { /* code */ }

lmao

[hot hull]

How nice, everytime I open an old project it breaks cause gradle can't find a dependency, when I make a new project it works fine

[prisma wave]

yea that looks good

[obtuse gale]

I just click the refresh project/reload dependencies things and it starts working lol

[prisma wave]

im not sure any of those are enough to hate a language but most of them are genuine criticisms I guess

[hot hull]

Fefo, I've been spamming that shit non stop

[obtuse gale]

hahaaha

[onyx loom]

gradle bad

[hot hull]

It's not gradles fault

I've a feeling latest IJ cucker something up

[onyx loom]

yeah i think so too

ive had a few problems like urs since the update too

[half harness]

might be coincidence but since the update I've had to always invalidate cache & restart every time i opened intellij 😢

[obtuse gale]

I had no issues at all other than with 2 big projects but a single deps refresh and it was fixed

[onyx loom]

u built different

[boreal needle]

if i only change build files should i still increment the version? im following semver

[old wyvern]

Delete your .idea folder

And reopen your project

[obtuse gale]

unless it affects the end binary itself.. naaah I wouldn't lol

[boreal needle]

fair

[ocean quartz]

Funny enough IJ 2021.1 for me made it so every time i turn on my pc the first time i open IJ everything is broken, like everything is red and even refreshing gradle doesn't fix, so I always have to invalidate cache and restart in the first run of the day 🥲

[old wyvern]

Minecraft 1.17.2: switched to gradle

[onyx loom]

just dont shut ur pc down 4head

[old wyvern]

Ez

[hot hull]

Might just be worth downgrading for the time being

[boreal needle]

i have that too matt

[old wyvern]

Frost

[boreal needle]

except i had it before too

[old wyvern]

Did you try deleting ide files first?

[boreal needle]

updating made it worse

[obtuse gale]

damn I guess I'm special lol

[onyx loom]

itll get more stable as time passes

[hot hull]

I have an rgb graphics card so lights too bright

[ocean quartz]

Had the issue with one old version, but previous one had fixed it, now it's back

[onyx loom]

lmao

[boreal needle]

rgb

in your graphics card?

[onyx loom]

no but seriously, shut ur pc down, save the electricity bill

[boreal needle]

is the point of a gpu not to make other things go rgb

[onyx loom]

eh

[hot hull]

Why not make itself go rgb as well tho

[boreal needle]

what kind of person stares into their pc while you're working

[onyx loom]

its nice to have, kind of like an illumination in the background

[boreal needle]

thats called a lamp

[onyx loom]

lol

[boreal needle]

i get that we're programmers and that light is a strange concept to us

but its pretty good

[old wyvern]

Good idea

[half harness]

light mode 😍

[boreal needle]

ew

[old wyvern]

Um

[half harness]

oh

ok

😔

[boreal needle]

i like being able to see

[old wyvern]

bm can I get rid of this weird window top on discord

[boreal needle]

thats given me an emoji idea

[old wyvern]

Looks kinda weird

[half harness]

the role colors look ew in light mode though

and the names are sorta hard to read

since they're all bright colors

which is why i usually use dark mode

[prisma wave]

Yeah, I know enough of the syntax for very simple things but the difficulty will probably come from memory and actually learning OpenGL. For some context this is for a school project where it has to be "suitably challenging", so trying to learn C++ and OpenGL seemed like a good challenge. I had a try earlier and managed to segfault on the 2nd tutorial so I think I'll be asking for help a lot 🥲

[prisma wave]

what thing

[half harness]

make ur tutorial

gyuhaidjkaisdh

i'll give you $0.00 if you finish it this week

[prisma wave]

wow

What a deal

[half harness]

deal?

[prisma wave]

i will try

[prisma wave]

like I said there's only like 2 days a week I can even try to record so it's kinda tricky

[half harness]

🤨

[obtuse gale]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlrATfBNZ98foTJPJ_Ev03o2oq3-GGOS2

[prisma wave]

That's the same across every app?

[old wyvern]

Yes

[half harness]

you still didn't give me the presentation

so i can record it myself >:)

[onyx loom]

why so 😮

[prisma wave]

ooh ty looks good

[half harness]

with windows movie maker

[prisma wave]

im only at my mum's thursday-saturday, I've got commitments thursday evening, school on friday so the only available time is friday evening or saturday

And there's a toddler that could be sleeping nearby so I can't talk too loud

[onyx loom]

o

[half harness]

o

[onyx loom]

im intrigued by ur "commitments"

[frail glade]

Hey Yugi, how's the new project coming along?

[half harness]

hi glare

👋

[old wyvern]

slimjar?

[frail glade]

Hey dk!

Yeah

[old wyvern]

Working on it, it should be usable soon

[frail glade]

Wahoo!

I'm excited.

[old wyvern]

😁

[half harness]

relocation support? 🥺

i need pdm alternative

pdm is not working

[old wyvern]

Yes

[half harness]

causing many issues

and doesn't even support relocations

[frail glade]

Now slimjar is also gradle-based, correct?

[old wyvern]

Yes

[frail glade]

Perfect.

[ocean quartz]

Call out note for Matt to do his part

Oh wait that's me

[old wyvern]

Might also add a maven plugin later on in case

[old wyvern]

😂 😂

[onyx loom]

is yugi carrying the project? 🥲

[old wyvern]

Not much atm

[prisma wave]

the "free market" has gone too far

[old wyvern]

I have a week of exams ahead

[frail glade]

Do you have any ETA for the public testing phase?

[onyx loom]

o gl yugi

[frail glade]

Well exams are much more important.

[pale shell]

Anyone seen bm anywhere?

[prisma wave]

nope

[half harness]

no

[onyx loom]

nope

[pale shell]

oh

i was gonna ask him to help with something small

[half harness]

rip

[prisma wave]

ill let him know if I see him

[old wyvern]

Il try to get most of it ready by this months end glare

[pale shell]

guess i'll send the $15 elsewhere then

[frail glade]

That's fine

[onyx loom]

to me 🥰

[pale shell]

if you fix it take it lmao

[half harness]

gradle plugin? 🥺

[ocean quartz]

#dev-general message

[prisma wave]

you know what else has a gradle plugin

[old wyvern]

Depends on when matt is free as well

Lol

[old wyvern]

Shadow

[onyx loom]

no! what does?

[old wyvern]

😂

[prisma wave]

🙄

[half harness]

shadow

pdm not working

i spent like 4 hours of my time

[prisma wave]

proof?

[old wyvern]

Not working at all?

[half harness]

well it works 40% of the time

[prisma wave]

you are a liar

[half harness]

but i need it to be 100%

[old wyvern]

lol

Omg yes

[prisma wave]

matt and yugi paying you to make pdm look bad

[onyx loom]

the missing 60% is a feature...

[old wyvern]

Grub didnt fuck itself

[frail glade]

I mean PDM works 100% for me besides relocations.

[prisma wave]

exactly

See?

Happy customer!

[half harness]

well

it used to work

a long time ago

[old wyvern]

lol

[frail glade]

I didn't say I was happy.

[half harness]

i think

o

[old wyvern]

Sad bm

[ocean quartz]

Lmao

[onyx loom]

😂

[prisma wave]

sounds like a you problem dkim

Change your mindset and the problems will go away

[old wyvern]

use slimjar, your problem will go away

😏

[prisma wave]

dont

Please

[frail glade]

If md5 wants to raise the jar limit again I won't even need to use PDM.

[prisma wave]

😖

[onyx loom]

4.5mb kek

[half harness]

do i do this: ```
gradle shadowJar
gradle pdm

[old wyvern]

Oh md added runtime dependency to bungee right?

[pale shell]

use pdm

[prisma wave]

pdm build dkim

[frail glade]

Have shadowJar depend on pdm

[ocean quartz]

Oh btw Glare, I built my plugin with coroutines and stuff, and it was .. 4.6MB 🥲

Just a bit off

[prisma wave]

sounds like you need pdm

[half harness]

or ```
gradle pdm
gradle shadowJar

[old wyvern]

Pdm sounds like it needs slimjar

[frail glade]

shadowJar.dependsOn project.tasks.getByName('pdm')

[pale shell]

Sounds like you need pmines

[prisma wave]

Why are you using shadow with pdm dkim

[old wyvern]

😌

[frail glade]

Because I don't PDM everything.

[prisma wave]

that's like using maven and gradle at the same time

[half harness]

i need to shade some setuff

[prisma wave]

Cursed

[frail glade]

Literally only PDM Kotlin

[half harness]

anyways

[frail glade]

Everything else I shade in BECAUSE I NEED TO RELOCATE

[prisma wave]

🥴

[pale shell]

sounds like bm not using Kotin, cursed.

[frail glade]

NEED TO RELOCATE

[half harness]

oh boy

[prisma wave]

smh

[pale shell]

Want to relocate*

[half harness]

admin is getting angry

[old wyvern]

Sadge

[half harness]

gradle shadowJar pdm doesn't work

[onyx loom]

glare what are u using pdm in currently? iirc ur using it in guilds?

[frail glade]

dkim, I gave you the exact line to add to your build.gradle

[prisma wave]

just pdm jar-relocator and relocate yourself 🙄

[half harness]

same with gradle clean pdm shadowJar pdm shadowJar pdm

[pale shell]

imagine admins getting angry

[frail glade]

Yeah I use it in that

[half harness]

oh

[pale shell]

B.A.A.S?

[prisma wave]

@jovial warren when are we doing that rewrite

slimjar is getting too popular

[pale shell]

Barry's Auto Anti Shout?

[old wyvern]

😮

[half harness]

i did that

[onyx loom]

anti abuse system

[old wyvern]

Slimjar shall overcome pdm

[frail glade]

Are you using shadowJar's minimize with that and still hitting 4.6MB?

[prisma wave]

i don't think so

[pale shell]

where the B.A,B.M ?

[half harness]

appears to only put the dependencies.json in the jar 30% of the time

[old wyvern]

😏

[prisma wave]

that doesn't surprise me

[pale shell]

bm can you help rq

[frail glade]

What version of PDM are you using?

[prisma wave]

clean build usually fixes it tho

[half harness]

1 sec

afk

[prisma wave]

yes good question

[prisma wave]

probably

[pale shell]

ok so bm, in the lore i got the text goes ➡️ but i want it to go ⤵️

[prisma wave]

there's a kotlin function For this

[frail glade]

Getting a copy of my dependencies.json that's generated to see if it's actually generating everything.

[prisma wave]

Probably something in commons-text too

[pale shell]

https://i.imgur.com/QUN53qm.png

[prisma wave]

windowed()

[ocean quartz]

Without minimize, I can check with in a sec

[pale shell]

like, this, I wanna make it say

• Stone
• Cobble
• Diamond
• Emerald Block
  instead, is that possible?

[frail glade]

https://paste.helpch.at/uzequnubex.json

Looks fine.

LOL. I didn't realize it named them all maven#

[pale shell]

i got https://paste.helpch.at/egofalukan.cs but i feel like its possible to do it another way

[prisma wave]

of course

[prisma wave]

Stream#map 😩

[pale shell]

i'm trying to google atm to see where i'm being dumb (as usual)

Stream#map? Whats that

[onyx loom]

transforms a stream

[prisma wave]

Stream

But yeah

[onyx loom]

yeah can be any collection

[pale shell]

can it go into a nice looking list?

[prisma wave]

or not a collection at all

[onyx loom]

o

prettify 🌚

[prisma wave]

uh

what

List<String> looks pretty nice

[pale shell]

no i mean a nice list in the lore

[onyx loom]

forEach?

[prisma wave]

String.join with \n as the separator

If that don't work just addAll to the lore list

[pale shell]

you left me with this code btw bm 🥲

[onyx loom]

btw elucidate, what else could u use a stream for

[prisma wave]

they can be infinite

like

99% of the time they're gonna be from a collection but you can also have infinite streams with a different source

[jovial warren]

whenever I guess

[prisma wave]

ok

cool

[lunar cypress]

IntStream.range() is finite and uses no collection

[onyx loom]

yeah im looking into it now, the only thing outside of collections i could think of was String

[prisma wave]

SplittableRandom has a few methods that generate infinite streams of random numbers

d; SplittableRandom#ints

[ruby crater]

java.util.SplittableRandom#ints

public IntStream ints()```

Description:

Returns an effectively unlimited stream of pseudorandom int values from this generator and/or one split from it.

Returns:

a stream of pseudorandom int values

Requested by: Brister Mitten • jdk

[prisma wave]

piss

[pale shell]

[prisma wave]

o it worked

Just slow

[onyx loom]

ok thats pretty cool

i see now

[pale shell]

I broke the list system i thonk

[boreal needle]

trying to use gradle now, is there any way that i can process java templates? i had a class with ${project.version} embedded in a string

[hot hull]

@version@

[pale shell]

https://i.imgur.com/POp7LCs.png

[boreal needle]

do i need to do anything special or will that just work

[onyx loom]

ReplaceTokens

[pale shell]

yeah, that went wrong.

[hot hull]

I believe just the default ReplaceTokens version thingy

[onyx loom]

or another method, cant remember what the other one was

[boreal needle]

ah cool thanks ill look into it

if i have a compile only dependency that i want to use in tests do i need to redeclare it?

[prisma wave]

oui

[boreal needle]

oof ok

[half harness]

ew

[prisma wave]

you could also make a custom configuration that does both

that's possibly too fancy tho

[half harness]

${projectVersion} better

[boreal needle]

so do i use @version@ or this other one

[obtuse gale]

doesn't matter really

[half harness]

if i leave helpchat will i lose my xp

(when i rejoin)

[obtuse gale]

?tryandsee

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

https://tryitands.ee/

Requested by: Fefo<3 • tryandsee

[half harness]

no thanks

[hallow crane]

no only if maven

[half harness]

?

maven bad

maven ew

[pale shell]

what did i just watch

[hallow crane]

so why did you suggest using an maven token?

[half harness]

i guess because it's also in gradle?

[hallow crane]

not by default with replace tokens

[half harness]

wdym

[obtuse gale]

I mean you can define and use your own tokens..

and what they'll be replaced with

[boreal needle]

please consider i am very new to gradle

[hallow crane]

^

[obtuse gale]

well by default nothing happens by default

you can define and use your own tokens
and what they'll be replaced with

with or without replacetokens

[hallow crane]

the "@" token identifier is default when you enter a word

case closed

[half harness]

wat

[hallow crane]

I'll let you figure it out, I'm in class rn

[obtuse gale]

okay whatever

[half harness]

ok

im so confused

ive never used replace tokens or whatever idkKDKkkkdd

[obtuse gale]

you can use ${} placeholders just fine lol

[half harness]

ok

[obtuse gale]

literally came in to say nothing worthy lmao

[half harness]

who came in?

me?

[ocean quartz]

Me

[obtuse gale]

🤦

[frail glade]

Matt what was the jar size?

[half harness]

gtg

[ocean quartz]

Actually 2.5MB, but currently not using Coroutines anywhere, so I think minimizing removes it

[frail glade]

Probably.

Try adding one and then minimize again and see if you're under?

[ocean quartz]

Oof 3.9MB, still pretty good though

[boreal needle]

where does gradle put the output jar

[obtuse gale]

build/libs

[boreal needle]

thanks

[obtuse gale]

yw

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/3NXr3D8.png

learning about heaps in my 2420 class woooo

[static zealot]

I just went to the Material Theme UI reviews section and oh boy its a mess

[oak raft]

let's just "know" where each element is

[static zealot]

its down to 3/5 stars

[old wyvern]

Um

[cinder flare]

yeah you can figure out cause its a level-order traversal

[onyx loom]

i saw more good reviews than when everyone found it was premium

but yeah still wasnt too good

[static zealot]

yeah some people left some ince reviews bet there's lots of revies that are basically just:

SUBSCRIPTION for merely a theme? No!

lmao

merely a theme

lmao

[cinder flare]

yeah I do think the subscription thing was weird

[old wyvern]

Star, would "mounted file system at /home is not responding" smell trouble?

[cinder flare]

he totally could've done a one-time payment

uhhh

[old wyvern]

Everything seems to work fine

But

There was a warning

[cinder flare]

what filesystem do you have mountd at /home?

[old wyvern]

As in?

[cinder flare]

as in you have something mounted there

that's no worky

[old wyvern]

The normal home directory

[cinder flare]

cat /proc/mounts

[old wyvern]

Theres a lot there

[static zealot]

Wait why haven't I seen this before? https://i.imgur.com/QdPwYqj.png

[cinder flare]

hastebin!

[cinder flare]

What, the minecraft icon?

[static zealot]

ye

I've seen paper or spigot icon before but not mc one

[cinder flare]

it shows it to me for every minecraft development project that's not spigot

is that for a spigot project?

[static zealot]

its VoteParty

[old wyvern]

Lemme just make sure I didnt mess windows up or something

[ocean quartz]

Me wondering why the consumer wasn't being applied 🥲

[cinder flare]

huh

[old wyvern]

?paste

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Paste Services
When asking for help with a config/menu/code issue please use one of these:
(However we do prefer if you used our paste :))
• HelpChat Paste - Usage
• Hastebin

Requested by: Yugi • paste

[static zealot]

hmm I wonder what's wrong there

[cinder flare]

new Gui

nice

[old wyvern]

https://paste.helpch.at/huxeduqoba.coffeescript

[ocean quartz]

The brain

[cinder flare]

lsblk yugi

[old wyvern]

What does that do?

[cinder flare]

lists blocks

send it

[old wyvern]

Gimme a moment

Just checking if windows is having any trouble

If it accidentally mounted windows it would end up readonly

[static zealot]

||a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.m.n.o.p.q.r.s.t.u.v.w.x.y.z|| ||serverworldfiles||

[cinder flare]

unless you turn off hibernation, which I did since I like to use my windows files lol

[cinder flare]

packages go brrr

[old wyvern]

I didnt turn it off

Because otherwise the windows loading feels weird

[cinder flare]

feels weird?

mine is completely unchanged

are you on an SSD?

[old wyvern]

ok windows is fine

[old wyvern]

Yes

[cinder flare]

huh

[old wyvern]

Desktop icons take 5 seconds

With fast boot on, everything is instant

Otherwise I get the weird white icons for 5 seconds

[cinder flare]

fast boot is not the same as hibernate

also who tf has desktop icons on

[old wyvern]

I do

[lunar cypress]

???

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/SZrHAf8.jpeg

[old wyvern]

fast boot needs to be turned off if windows has to be properly mounted on linux

[cinder flare]

my 3 monitors

no desktop icons in sight

because I have like, a search bar?

[obtuse gale]

good

I approve

[obtuse gale]

oh no

[cinder flare]

bro wtf

have you heard of the Documents directory

[old wyvern]

These are my commonly used files

[prisma wave]

Have you heard of sway

[cinder flare]

yeah I put my commonly used files in the documents folder

[lunar cypress]

that's not what I meant