dev-general

[hot hull]

Atleast we got the frames

[jovial warren]

you'd assume that regions are just loading in the wrong order or something right?

[prisma wave]

Incredible

[jovial warren]

well, what I did is tested that by going out 32 chunks on a vanilla server from that chunk with the half tree you can see in front of you in the image

and I found those chunks to the left

[onyx loom]

the only thing that truly matters

[jovial warren]

lol

strange right? (my issue)

[hot hull]

the draw rectangle method ain't gonna cut it here I don't believe

[cinder flare]

yeah you gotta draw a few rectangles

[hot hull]

Not the issue, it draws the rectangles on a single plane

I need a 3D plane

[cinder flare]

oh damn now that's an upgrade

[hot hull]

If it were a 3D plane i believe this would actually work, cause you know, I big brain

[jovial warren]

it looks like Krypton is loading half of the chunks for a region correctly and the other half in the other region lol

[cinder flare]

so how hard is it to make it a 3D plane?

[jovial warren]

but that doesn't make any sense

[prisma wave]

a 3d plane is just 2d from a different perspective

therefore a 4D plane is just a 3D plane from a different perspective

[jovial warren]

4D is strange

I swear 4D uses time as the fourth dimension

[hot hull]

You can't comprehend 4D

your brain too small

[prisma wave]

haskell users code in 4D

[jovial warren]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space okay that image is really trippy

[hot hull]

You can almost see it in 3D tho

When it's not moving

[stuck harbor]

we cannot see 4D sadge

[static zealot]

It just looks like someone gives birth to a baby and that baby later on gives birth to the person that gave birth to them and it loops

[stuck harbor]

it would be fun if this universe was 4 dimensional

[oblique heath]

r e c u r s i v e b a b y

[stuck harbor]

3 is so smol

[static zealot]

well the universe is actually 8d but we don't know it yet

[obtuse gale]

Then how do you know it

[dawn hinge]

He just does

[obtuse gale]

Yeah fair

[oblique heath]

coca cola

[hot hull]

yikes

[jovial warren]

ffs don't you just love when you adding something breaks something

[hot hull]

I adore it Bardy

[jovial warren]

if I go back to Krypton 0.15.1 (before region data persistence), the chunks load fine

[old wyvern]

ikr

[prisma wave]

sounds like you need pure functions

A pure function by definition cannot break anything

[jovial warren]

what a surprise that region data persistence broke it

[old wyvern]

Unless you use Rambda

[jovial warren]

-_-

[cinder flare]

It can function incorrectly though

and maybe that's bardy's problem

[old wyvern]

Yes!!

Bardy

Haskell rewrite

[jovial warren]

and it's not even the region data persistence part that broke it, it's probably me changing how chunks are loaded

[old wyvern]

Hrypton

[prisma wave]

region data persistence can probably be modelled as a monad btw

[old wyvern]

Krypkell

[hot hull]

Yugi, so how do I draw a rectangle in a 3D plane with this :p

[jovial warren]

I don't know enough Haskell for that

[old wyvern]

theres a draw plane I think

[old wyvern]

You'll learn once you start

[hot hull]

Indeed, now to try and find whatever it expects as the params

[cinder flare]

just undo your chunk changes and keep your region persistence

[ocean quartz]

Can't you use TS with that?

[old wyvern]

Not sure

I think TS would mess with how rambda works

[hot hull]

bruh

// Draw a plane XZ

[old wyvern]

Doesnt it abuse dynamic typing?

[old wyvern]

Yes?

[ocean quartz]

Well any JS is valid TS

[old wyvern]

Kind of

You can write all sorts of weirdness in js

[jovial warren]

ah I think I see why the old one worked and this one maybe doesn't

the old one grouped chunks by region

[hot hull]

oh yea that'll work, I'm stupid

[old wyvern]

I think rambda handles argument lists for composition and stuff

[jovial warren]

https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/blob/4e02557b2fbe779ff30f4ebc9eaa07f2c4eba0f0/server/src/main/kotlin/org/kryptonmc/krypton/world/KryptonWorldManager.kt#L286

also, I've only just realised that we hit 20 stars

[static zealot]

man I like this embed but its to much white

[jovial warren]

I think they got just the right white colour that doesn't blind your eyes but still allows you to see everything clearly

[prisma wave]

A rectangle is just 6 planes

[old wyvern]

👀

[jovial warren]

a rectangle is a 2D shape on a single plane...?

[old wyvern]

wha

[static zealot]

Hmm idk. The repo description is very bad. I can't read it

[jovial warren]

try putting on your glasses

[static zealot]

don't have any

[old wyvern]

Buy one

[oblique heath]

just one glass

[old wyvern]

Yes

Monocle

[static zealot]

I'll just buy a window

[oblique heath]

🧐

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/umbrella-academy-five-hargreeves-gif-18147617

[hot hull]

This ain't it chief

[static zealot]

that's a coc on the left

[hot hull]

you child

[static zealot]

I am very mature

[old wyvern]

what are we looking at here

[hot hull]

idk to be honest, my attempt of using planes to display it

[old wyvern]

is it top down?

ah

Why do you need planes?

[hot hull]

bruh

[old wyvern]

raylib provides a way to build meshes I think

Lemme check

[hot hull]

It does, but that takes in an image

[static zealot]

again? https://i.imgur.com/7am10QA.png

😢

man I really don't want to test deluxemenus xD

[old wyvern]

@hot hull Check if it exposes a GenMesh function

[hot hull]

nop

[old wyvern]

Are you sure?

[hot hull]

ah I found it, IJ was having a stroke

[old wyvern]

lol

[rare scarab]

does anyone wanna help me with my server?
please i need help im so bad at making servers (sent me a messige is u wanna help :3)

[static zealot]

#827055635052888075 / #827055634586271775

[old wyvern]

Poly Id assume

[static zealot]

Man my PC is really not doing well these days. Everything crashes, Apps randomly open, Somtimes it doesn't want to start or takes up to an hour

[hot hull]

int sides, float radius

doubt

[old wyvern]

for poly?

[hot hull]

yes

[old wyvern]

hmm

[ocean quartz]

What is a better design?

GuiBuilder.gui(GuiType.HOPPER).etc
// or
GuiBuilder.gui().type(GuiType.HOPPER).etc

[jovial warren]

why is Java's bitwise operator precedence so weird

[jovial warren]

what's your name? kashike? lol

nah I'm kidding, first and second

allow both

[old wyvern]

Second looks nice

[static zealot]

I like the first one. less words = better

lmao

[jovial warren]

just allow both

[ocean quartz]

I guess I can do both

[static zealot]

or that

[jovial warren]

that so reminds me of Adventure lol

just add me some Kotlin constructor functions for those pls

e.g. ```kotlin
public fun GuiBuilder(type: GuiType) = GuiBuilder.gui(type)

and yes, the conventions actually recommend that libraries should explicitly define all visibility for clarity

so I might be doing that in the Krypton API soon

[static zealot]

Do any of you own EpicHeads or HeadDB plugins? Or is EH still OS? I know it was on gitlab but was taken down

[jovial warren]

omfg fml

guess what the region issue's cause was

[static zealot]

huh>

[jovial warren]

fucking Kotlin bitwise infix precedence

[static zealot]

typo?

[jovial warren]

FML

[static zealot]

ah was about to say that

was my second guess

lmao

[jovial warren]

I forgot that << takes precedence over | and &

so I had ((toLong() and 0xFFFFFFFF) or (other.toLong() and 0xFFFFFFFF)) shl 32, where it should've been (toLong() and 0xFFFFFFFFL) or ((other.toLong() and 0xFFFFFFFFL) shl 32)

[ocean quartz]

Ugh generics is so annoying
Like this issue:

// On abstract class:
public BaseBuilder title(Component title) {
  this.title = title;
  return this;
}

// On class that extends it:
public ExtendedBuilder type(Type type) {
  this.type = type;
  return this;
}

builder().type(type).title(title) // possible
builder().title(title).type(type) // error because title returns BaseBuilder 

// Fix:
@Override
public ExtendedBuilder title(Component title) {
  super.title(title);
  return this;
}
// Or 
@Override
public ExtendedBuilder title(Component title) {
  return (ExtendedBuilder) super.title(title);
}

It's so annoying

[jovial warren]

pls no 2 space indent

[ocean quartz]

Wrote it in discord, fuck off

[jovial warren]

lol fair

that's gotta be the next FAQ

[static zealot]

can someone join #room-2 sand tell me if music is playing or not? I can't hear it

why?

[jovial warren]

lol

because it's ugly as fuck

[static zealot]

I was recommended to change to 2 from 4

[jovial warren]

also, ?plsno8spaceindent

[prisma wave]

public val GuiBuilder = GuiBuilder::gui

[static zealot]

I didn't bcz I'm lazy

oh wait its muted I'm so blind. ty matt

@quiet depot please unmute

the bot

[jovial warren]

yeah no

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/9p1d.gif

[ocean quartz]

I muted it lol

[jovial warren]

wait wtf

[static zealot]

what?

[jovial warren]

why is Piggy up at this time

[static zealot]

how?

[ocean quartz]

It's not server mute

[static zealot]

also I'll just use Barry

[reef wind]

Can someone help me setup deluxemenus I already have placeholdelr and deluxemenu put in the server

[static zealot]

oh wait what?

[jovial warren]

red microphone = server mute...?

[static zealot]

#general-plugins

[reef wind]

thanks

[static zealot]

oh well I'm using barry now

[jovial warren]

yeah that's local mute

not server mute

[static zealot]

cube brought it back

[ocean quartz]

Oh yeah red is server mute, i had it muted on my own so i thought that's what it was lmao

[static zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/zCPDxHN.png

yeah its fine tho

barry works now

[ocean quartz]

Local mute is just red line

Yeah mb

[static zealot]

no worries

[jovial warren]

you have the full grey microphone, which means they are muted themselves
then you have the grey microphone with the single red line, which means you local muted them
then you have the full red microphone, which means they are muted server-wide

quick Discord ting

+1 if you get that reference

[static zealot]

-1

[ocean quartz]

@prisma wave Awesome stream

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/UowC.gif

[prisma wave]

Yeah yeah

[jovial warren]

it's a Big Shaq reference

[prisma wave]

Thanks

[jovial warren]

not sure that's very idiomatic BM

might actually go and make my own modifications to the Kotlin compiler to add bitwise operators lol

that's how frustrating not having them is

[prisma wave]

it should be

[jovial warren]

https://github.com/Kotlin/KEEP/issues/142 there was a KEEP for it once, and a PR, so it wouldn't be that hard

the only issue with me adding it myself is that it might break compatibility, making only me able to compile it

[hot hull]

So was able to make a mesh

Meaning this should only have the visible sides generated right?

[old wyvern]

Yes

Not exactly visible to the camera itself

But the outermost ones

Ones exposed to "air"

[hot hull]

Smexy, now to generate this for the entire terrain

Any suggestions on how to effectively detect double height change, do I just make a loop for like 3 down and fill that?

[old wyvern]

double height change?

[hot hull]

white spots

[old wyvern]

It shouldnt be a single mesh btw

[hot hull]

Are the double height change

[old wyvern]

group it

[ocean quartz]

That's pretty cool Frosty

[hot hull]

That's the old stuff Matt, it's horendous

[hot hull]

yes yes

[ocean quartz]

Still pretty cool though

[old wyvern]

You might wanna consider a bit more height that just the height map

[hot hull]

Cases like this confuse me tho

[old wyvern]

handling only the height map means you'll have issues with cliffs and stuff

[hot hull]

I'll be adding 3D biomes to it Yugi, so that shouldn't be a problem

If that's what you mean by that

[old wyvern]

no

I meant with your "double height" issue

You're currently only applying marching cubes to your heightmap right?

You need to consider a larger height for it to be equally applicable in all generation

[hot hull]

So I should be assigning it to coords from 0 to my height map correct?

[old wyvern]

Yes

You could probably do some optimizations but better to leave that for later if you get bad performance

[hot hull]

Seems to be that each mesh is it's own model tho, so not sure how that'll affect it

[ocean quartz]

If i have a contract like @Contract("_ -> this") I don't need to annotate with @NotNull right? Since it always returns its qualifier

[jovial warren]

wait is this your terrain generator?

[jovial warren]

I would still annotate with @NotNull, since Kotlin will get a platform type otherwise

unless the compiler is smart enough to understand those contracts too

[old wyvern]

kotlin also checks contracts I think

[jovial warren]

idk, test it without @NotNull in Kotlin and see

[hot hull]

Bardy, perhaps, why?

[jovial warren]

in Krypton soon™️

[ocean quartz]

Yeah Kotlin checks for contracts, and even generates contracts if none are present

[jovial warren]

Kotlin:

https://tenor.com/GwPo.gif

[ocean quartz]

I don't have a contract on this method

[jovial warren]

that's IntelliJ, not Kotlin

[half harness]

lol

[ocean quartz]

Well, you know what i mean

[jovial warren]

IntelliJ figures those out lol

also, if you're using nullability annotations, use checker-qual

[old wyvern]

Not as good as haskell

sorry

[ocean quartz]

I don't like the checker framework, Jetbrains' is more than enough

[jovial warren]

https://imgflip.com/i/5633vr

[old wyvern]

😌

You forgot to add rust

[half harness]

rust 🤢

haskell > rust

[old wyvern]

Jump off a cliff

[ocean quartz]

Die

[jovial warren]

Rust > C at least I guess

well, depends on the situation

[ocean quartz]

Rust is much nicer than Haskell

[old wyvern]

Rust = Haskell

[jovial warren]

Rust > C++ definitely

[half harness]

you didn't even spell haskell correctly

[jovial warren]

since C++ is just a mess

[old wyvern]

ok skim

[half harness]

-_-

[old wyvern]

[ocean quartz]

Dkim have you even seen rust code?

[old wyvern]

dkim before trying any language: 🤮
dkim after trying it: 😍

[ocean quartz]

Ikr

[jovial warren]

dkim I love how your name stands for an email security standard that signs emails and yet you probably got confused at the phrase "email security standard" in this sentence

[old wyvern]

insert braincell meme here

[prisma wave]

true

[ocean quartz]

From the languages I've tried, Go is pretty cool, Rust is odd but still nice, I really don't like the syntax of Haskell, but it has some really nice features

[prisma wave]

don't judge until you've tried it

[ocean quartz]

languages I've tried

[oblique heath]

go and rust are both similar to regular c syntax right?

[prisma wave]

vaguely

[old wyvern]

Haskell's syntax makes a lot of sense once you use it

[prisma wave]

not that similar but definitely similar enough to call them similar

[ocean quartz]

The reason I don't like it too much is because it feels very clustered

[old wyvern]

how so?

[oblique heath]

i actually don't disagree with matt on that

[static zealot]

just gonna bump this smh

[prisma wave]

when I say "tried" I mean actually used for more than like 30 minutes

[ocean quartz]

Like, too many symbols clustered up together with statements

[prisma wave]

statements 🥲

[old wyvern]

There arent any statements

I think the issue with that comparison is its between different paradigmns on the whole

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[old wyvern]

You dont write haskell the same way you work with go or java

[oblique heath]

haskell syntax is super compact

[ocean quartz]

I'm sorry for not knowing the actual names used in the language lol

[old wyvern]

No matt

there are really just no statements

[static zealot]

oh nvm epic heads is on github.

[old wyvern]

You only have expressions

[prisma wave]

are let bindings expressions?

i guess they must be

but they're just a syntax sugar anyway so

[old wyvern]

They boil down to it

Yea

[prisma wave]

fancy

[oblique heath]

it's just not intuitive / easy to decipher exactly what's going on until you put enough time into learning the actual meanings of the operators

after you reach that point it gets nicer though

[prisma wave]

anyway in "basic" haskell you don't have that many symbols, probably less than java for simple programs

[old wyvern]

yea

Most extra operators are defined as a "library" function

[oblique heath]

are >>=, <$> library functions

[old wyvern]

Yes

[oblique heath]

:o

[prisma wave]

they have a definition in the language

[old wyvern]

mhm

[prisma wave]

they're not "native"

[old wyvern]

^

[oblique heath]

ah i see

[old wyvern]

If you want to create your own monad, youd define your own bind operator

[prisma wave]

make Int a monad

[oblique heath]

so does it work out such that everything that's syntax sugar is a library function?

[old wyvern]

😌

[old wyvern]

well depends

some of it is just more of a copy paste kindof

like let binding

afaik its just replaced to the use sites

but <- are replaced with binds for the specific rhs type

[oblique heath]

oh wait <- is also a library function?

[old wyvern]

No

More like a macro

syntax sugar

Specifically in do blocks

like let

[oblique heath]

ah

[prisma wave]

do blocks are just turned into combinations of >>= and >>

[half harness]

i got ponged

[old wyvern]

mhm

[old wyvern]

ping

[oblique heath]

wait if <- is a macro

what would it's equivalent be

[old wyvern]

bind operator

[oblique heath]

this one? >>=

[old wyvern]

Yes

[oblique heath]

weird

[old wyvern]

<- works similarly to how kotlin creates continuations afaik

[prisma wave]

a <- b
print a
``` == ```hs
b >>= print

[oblique heath]

i'm actually confused on what exactly >> does

[old wyvern]

its just a blank bind

a bind with the argument on the lambda ignored

[oblique heath]

o.o

[prisma wave]

yeah a >> b == a >>= (\_ -> b)

[old wyvern]

mhm

[oblique heath]

huh

when would you use that

why bind on a at all if you don't need it's output

[prisma wave]

putStrLn "a"
putStrLn "b"
``` would use it

because the () from putStrLn "a" is ignored

[oblique heath]

wait does that make it kind of like a do block

[prisma wave]

uh

well yeah it's used in do blocks

[old wyvern]

do block also applies >>

[prisma wave]

it's what they're converted to

[old wyvern]

mhm

[prisma wave]

putStrLn "a"
putStrLn "b"
``` == ```hs
putStrLn "a" >> putStrLn "b"

[oblique heath]

ah i was about to ask that

[old wyvern]

<- convert to >>=
normal expressions convert to >>

[oblique heath]

what would a let binding look like with the bind operator

like if i did let apple = [1,2]

[prisma wave]

i think let bindings just get inlined actually don't they?

[old wyvern]

main = do
    inp <- getLine
    putStrLn inp

is

main = getLine >>= (\inp -> putStrLn inp)

altho you can write it with just putStrLn and it would function the same

[prisma wave]

quite elegant

<- is -> reversed 😌

[old wyvern]

Oh right true

I think I said ti wrong above

yu

[lunar cypress]

bm you ignored me earlier today 😔 society

[old wyvern]

<- convert to >>=
normal expressions convert to >>

[prisma wave]

oh sorry i didn't see the ping

[hot hull]

¸Okay yea so this is inefficient af, gonna convert the heightmap to an image, then load that as a single model

[old wyvern]

why

[prisma wave]

what do you need help with

[old wyvern]

Dont recompute the mesh every render cycle

[lunar cypress]

I need programming "ideologies" and questions

[prisma wave]

hmm

[oblique heath]

ideologies?

[prisma wave]

so we've got an axis

of

[old wyvern]

Invite titanic, ideology overflow

[prisma wave]

imperative - declarative
low level - high level?

but i guess declarative is high level lol

idk

[lunar cypress]

For the axis I have the following ideas:
imperative - declarative
low level - high level
impure - pure
static - dynamic

[prisma wave]

well 99% of people will be impure

[old wyvern]

🥲

[oblique heath]

are you making a 'what programming language are you' online quiz

or something

[prisma wave]

pretty much

[oblique heath]

i like it

[prisma wave]

political compass for programming

[old wyvern]

Hi sir, My name is Haskell

[lunar cypress]

well obviously barely anyone will be 100% one or the other

[obtuse gale]

BuzzFeed quiz

[prisma wave]

true

but like

[old wyvern]

What is your astrological haskell sign?

[prisma wave]

the majority of programmers, unless you're using something like haskell aren't really gonna make a distinction between pure and impure

[lunar cypress]

doing this https://8values.github.io but for programming languages (and memes)

[old wyvern]

<$> $ >>= << >> >>>

[oblique heath]

would it be worth it to have an axis between compiled and scripted

[prisma wave]

Possibly

We're gonna need an 8D compass at this rate 🥲

[old wyvern]

Please add an elara axis

Thanks

not elara - elara

[prisma wave]

lmao

[oblique heath]

what's << and >>>

[lunar cypress]

sure but I mean you can steer towards pure with for example "prefer immutable data" or where state should be stored or....

[prisma wave]

"i am 18% elara"

[prisma wave]

oh good point

yeah

[old wyvern]

I dont remember tbh check the docs xD

I think its from Control.Monad

[oblique heath]

🥲

[old wyvern]

not sure

[oblique heath]

i'll take a look

[old wyvern]

Hackage has a search option I think

[oblique heath]

oh that reminds me

hoogle refuses to work in IJ

[lunar cypress]

that's basically static vs dynamic

[oblique heath]

hmm

[onyx loom]

i doubt it

[prisma wave]

the former is slightly faster

[onyx loom]

if ur talking performance

[prisma wave]

but no not really

it's not usually enough to make a difference

[onyx loom]

yes much cleaner

[onyx loom]

im guessing in only in like REALLY big loops + the difference would only be measurable in benchmarking type stuff?

[prisma wave]

i dont think loop size would matter

foreach loop

but get() is faster than an iterator

[distant sun]

this looks cool https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/jsonrestapi.91423/

[prisma wave]

2nd

[onyx loom]

micro optimising down to language level features 💀

no use the second

indeed

[prisma wave]

what????

why would you not use the 2nd

[onyx loom]

lol

[oblique heath]

there is a difference

you can't modify the list if you use the second option

within the loop*

iterator stuff i think

i wish i could explain better but this was stuff i learned years ago in class

but yeah basically you can't delete from / insert to the list if you use that second loop

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/ArrayList.html#fail-fast

[hot hull]

You can't modify a list you're iterating within itself

CME

[oblique heath]

cme?

[onyx loom]

ConcurrentModificationException

[oblique heath]

ah of course

[winter iron]

If I am letting people upload images to my website, i should check file header for file type instead of file extension right?

[oblique heath]

why not both

[old wyvern]

Probably header

[jovial warren]

https://imgflip.com/i/563fz0

[obtuse gale]

You can't structurally modify it (add/remove), but you can change specific elements within it (set)

In fact if you use a ListIterator, if has a set method

[jovial warren]

isn't a KeySetView from ConcurrentHashMap thread-safe?

[obtuse gale]

@forest pecan this one's for you you horny bitch

[forest pecan]

?

[obtuse gale]

Use a condom

We don't need more offsprings

[jovial warren]

🥲

[hot hull]

Using a condom is like licking icecream through glass

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/uhfw.gif

[obtuse gale]

"And that's how Fefo single handedly drove humanity to its doomsday"

[onyx loom]

how would u know frosty

[old wyvern]

Weird comparisions

[jovial warren]

strange analogy but I guess it's true

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/boiJp.gif

[forest pecan]

🌚

[old wyvern]

Damn

[onyx loom]

how would u know bardy

[old wyvern]

Xposed

[hot hull]

Gotta try licking ice cream through glass, you right

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/oooo-gif-18145865

[jovial warren]

lol

[old wyvern]

Try licking something else

[hot hull]

The end of the gun barrel, sure

[old wyvern]

Good idea

Wait

[hot hull]

Preferably loaded, and safety off

[old wyvern]

oh ok

[hot hull]

Bye now

[old wyvern]

ciao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkNq4TrHP_U
Me watching this for 10 mins with only my right earphone in and thinking if something is wrong with my headphones

🥲

[jovial warren]

[static zealot]

is there a way to delete a commit (not the actual code just the commit message and that stuff) if I didn't push it to github yet? Like cancel it or something

[obtuse gale]

Yummy

[obtuse gale]

google "ohshitgit"

[static zealot]

oh I forgot about that website

[old wyvern]

git reset

[obtuse gale]

Lmao

[old wyvern]

with soft flag

[static zealot]

so that just removes the commit but the code stays?

[old wyvern]

You'll also want the proper tag

[half harness]

ya

[static zealot]

oh yeah

[old wyvern]

check your git status

[half harness]

u can also do it with pushed commits

[old wyvern]

--soft makes it not* change your files

with the hard flag it would actually reset your files

[jovial warren]

oh btw, can someone just confirm: https://wiki.vg/Entity_metadata#Entity_Metadata_Format am I going crazy here or does rotation only have 2 axes

[old wyvern]

Why would it have more than 2?

[jovial warren]

there's a field with X, Y and Z rotation there, and I'm just confused

[old wyvern]

wait

hmm

oh yes

nvm

xD

[static zealot]

hmm and how can I see local commits?

that are not pushed yet

[old wyvern]

git status

[static zealot]

that just tells me the changes to be commited

[old wyvern]

oh nvm

try git log

[onyx loom]

Local History too maybe?

[jovial warren]

it's used by armour stands for head, body, left & right arm and leg rotation

[old wyvern]

Yea theres 3 angles bard

[jovial warren]

you what

roll?

[old wyvern]

Yea

[half harness]

lol

[jovial warren]

ah ofc

I used to play flight sim, I should know that lol

[old wyvern]

Actually

hm

Im confused

xD

But I do remember unity having 3 axis

[half harness]

but entities don't have roll iirc

[old wyvern]

so Im sure

But

[jovial warren]

there's roll, pitch and yaw

[old wyvern]

Imagining it makes it feel like 2 axis

Yes

[obtuse gale]

Armor stands

[old wyvern]

Oh wait yea

I got it now

[jovial warren]

Minecraft primarily uses pitch and yaw, but of course, armour stands can be rolled as well

totally knew armour stands could be rolled

[half harness]

wait what

[obtuse gale]

armour

🤢

[old wyvern]

Make a custom mob api with armorstands

[half harness]

lemme draw quick image

[jovial warren]

armor

🤢

[old wyvern]

Add something to parse models and generate texturepacks

[jovial warren]

British English is the one true English

facts

[half harness]

pretend this is an armor stand
is this not what the 'roll' axis is?

[old wyvern]

Would make something to make krypton stand out

[half harness]

roll is like, rolling

[old wyvern]

There was a weird forum post on manjaro forums about that

xD

[jovial warren]

make an issue on GitHub please 🙂

[half harness]

and yaw/pitch are left/up

[old wyvern]

Cant be bothered

thank you

xD

[jovial warren]

you know right and down exist too right?

[obtuse gale]

Every body part of an armor stand can be rotated freely around each axis

[jovial warren]

lol

[half harness]

i didn't feel like typing it

[half harness]

ohhh

i was thinking about it all in one

[jovial warren]

I actually didn't know that lol

guess you learn something new every day

[obtuse gale]

Is pretty neat

[jovial warren]

trying to think what I should work on next

[obtuse gale]

Euler angles 🌚

[half harness]

my bedwars plugin

[jovial warren]

maybe look into the bugs with chunk section loading

[old wyvern]

🥲

Quaternions >>>

[jovial warren]

Minecraft be like:

https://imgflip.com/i/563hwf

protocol angles, as I call them, are measured in 256ths of a full turn

oh also, it gets better than that

[obtuse gale]

Lives in the uk
Complains about non-standard units

[ocean quartz]

Lmao

[old wyvern]

Easier to represent with bits

[jovial warren]

the packet that the client sends to the server (player position/rotation) uses absolute positions and degrees

[forest pecan]

you use that meme too much lmao

[jovial warren]

the packet that the server sends to the client (entity position/rotation) uses relative positions and protocol angles

[ocean quartz]

Be careful they'll throw "stones" at you

[old wyvern]

relative to what?

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-boom-unbelievable-omg-shocking-gif-14891179

[jovial warren]

relative to the previous position

[humble silo]

Ew

[jovial warren]

oh, and if they move more than 8 blocks in a single movement packet then you have to send entity teleport rather than entity movement

[obtuse gale]

Imagine not using this one
https://c.tenor.com/vkpCnKNg7UkAAAAM/mind-blown-amazed.gif

[old wyvern]

That makes sense

[forest pecan]

it has fireworks

smh

[half harness]

dumb question - if I do playerA.hidePlayer(playerB) will playerA see playerB or playerB not see playerA?

[humble silo]

Really? That seems weird

[old wyvern]

player A wont see playerB

d; spigot Player#hidePlayer

[ruby crater]

org.bukkit.entity.Player#hidePlayer

void hidePlayer(@NotNull Plugin plugin, @NotNull Player player)```

Description:

Hides a player from this player

Parameters:

plugin - Plugin that wants to hide the player
player - Player to hide

Page 0 • Requested by: Yugi • spigot

[half harness]

thx

[forest pecan]

playerA will not receive packets from playerB

[obtuse gale]

Imagine reading the javadoc

[half harness]

i did

[forest pecan]

imagine saying imagine

[half harness]

i just wanted to make sure

[forest pecan]

lol

[half harness]

d; spigot Player#hidePlayer

[ruby crater]

org.bukkit.entity.Player#hidePlayer

@Deprecated
void hidePlayer(@NotNull Player player)```

Deprecation Message:

see hidePlayer(Plugin, Player)

Description:

Hides a player from this player

Parameters:

player - Player to hide

Page 1 • Requested by: dkim19375 • spigot

[half harness]

o

its deprecated

[forest pecan]

no thats the other method

[jovial warren]

oh btw, did you know that the maximum coordinate that you can possibly travel to is ~33 million for most position packets because of the fundamental way coordinates are encoded

[half harness]

uh

[forest pecan]

there are two methods

one is deprecated

[half harness]

d;1.8.8 Player#hidePlayer

[ruby crater]

org.bukkit.entity.Player#hidePlayer

void hidePlayer(Player player)```

Description:

Hides a player from this player

Parameters:

player - Player to hide

Requested by: dkim19375 • 1.8.8

[forest pecan]

another isnt

[jovial warren]

https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Position reference

[half harness]

theres only 1 in 1.8

lol

[forest pecan]

wtf 1.8?

[half harness]

oh well

i hope it'll still work

🤷

[jovial warren]

this is dkim we're talking about here

[ocean quartz]

Update 🙂

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-spongebob-ciao-im-out-bye-gif-5120732

go die in a hole

[half harness]

can't

[jovial warren]

won't*

[half harness]

that nose tho

[forest pecan]

lol

[ocean quartz]

Sucks to be you

[obtuse gale]

Matt I was gonna say that lol

[half harness]

1.16 block placement reminds me of hypixel

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/saving-dababy-dababy-in-minecraft-minecraft-diamonds-dababy-gif-20783229

[jovial warren]

you know that X and Z coordinates are packed into a long at 26 bits each btw

and Y is 12 bits

[forest pecan]

thats weird

[ocean quartz]

What exactly is different about 1.16 block placement?

[half harness]

makes a ghost block or disappears if i bridge or place blocks too fast

[forest pecan]

wha

that doesnt happen to me

for 1.16

[ocean quartz]

That's just minecraft and lag, it'll happen on any version lol

[forest pecan]

i used an autoclicker for fun

lol

[half harness]

happens on my dev server

[half harness]

it didn't in 1.8

[forest pecan]

then your dev server is ass

[half harness]

o

[ocean quartz]

Yes it does

[half harness]

it didn't for me 🤷

[obtuse gale]

Both your dev server and your computer suck

[half harness]

idk

[forest pecan]

dkim dont test anything

[half harness]

what

[forest pecan]

lmao

just dont

you dont got the right enviornment

[half harness]

[jovial warren]

wait a minute... did I just hear a "bUt I cAN't BrIDgE oN thE nEw vERsioNS" complaint? get outta here peasant

[ocean quartz]

Let me guess, it happens on your pc's test server in 1.16 but doesn't happen on a huge expensive 1.8 server?

[half harness]

lmao

[half harness]

no, they're both on my pc

also 1.8 takes like 1/3 of 1.16 startup speed

[obtuse gale]

Yuck

[forest pecan]

ghost blocks are more common in 1.8

[ocean quartz]

Sounds like a you problem

[jovial warren]

well nah no shit sherlock

[forest pecan]

you can literally make a single redstone contraption

which creates a ghost block

[jovial warren]

especially since it's not actively updated

[obtuse gale]

They actually fixed a lot of that in 1.14/15 I believe?

[forest pecan]

in 1.8.X

[half harness]

it's annoying when it takes 250+ seconds to startup

[jovial warren]

1.15 fixed a shit ton of block and entity bugs

[forest pecan]

cause your computer is clearly ass

[jovial warren]

especially beyond the world border

[ocean quartz]

In fact actually after 1.15 ghost blocks became way less common when playing survival

[half harness]

while my dev server takes about 30 seconds to startup

[forest pecan]

because servers have less stuff than the client?

lmao

[half harness]

the server i used to use to play with friends (its 1.8 now) took 250+ seconds

and now it takes like <60 seconds

[forest pecan]

servers have way less stuff

[obtuse gale]

That's sad

[forest pecan]

compared to clients

way less

[ocean quartz]

🥲

[jovial warren]

Minecraft is very slow at starting up in general anyway

[half harness]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT_ _ _ _

[forest pecan]

the client does a ton of heavy lifting

like you seen krypton in early stages

[jovial warren]

since it seems to not be able to load JSON very fast

[forest pecan]

the client carried it so hard

xd

use ant bois

[half harness]

gradle takes like over 2 minutes on first build

[forest pecan]

/s

[half harness]

then after that like 15 seconds

[forest pecan]

guys use ant

[jovial warren]

my Notchian Vanilla server takes 1.147 seconds to start

[obtuse gale]

Dkim that's really bad lol

[half harness]

and if its kotlin it takes like 20+ seconds because of compileKotlin

[forest pecan]

Yeah Dkim we already know your computer is shit lmfao

[half harness]

sometimes 10 seconds if im lucky

[jovial warren]

Krypton takes 0.315 seconds to start

[half harness]

wot

1.8 🥺

[jovial warren]

because I know what I'm doing

[ocean quartz]

My actual server with quite a lot of plugins lmao

[jovial warren]

that's how

[half harness]

wtf

is papi outdated

[obtuse gale]

How many Matt

[half harness]

go update papi

lol

[ocean quartz]

In fact PAPI is very updated, it's a dev build lol

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/yoo-that-crazy-did-i-ask-i-dont-remember-askng-dr-fate-injustice2-gif-16579106

[half harness]

o

[ocean quartz]

35

[jovial warren]

actually jump off a cliff

[forest pecan]

lmao

[half harness]

only 35 smh

[jovial warren]

man how is that a lot

I work for a server that has over 100

and takes about 2-3 minutes to start on 1.12.2

[ocean quartz]

Why would you need that many?

[half harness]

^ the server i was talking about has 80+ plugins

[jovial warren]

features

[half harness]

since my computer doesn't have enough ram to do bungee 😢

[jovial warren]

it's a skyblock server

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/bioxb.gif

[half harness]

it has 8

[jovial warren]

Bungee can run on 256 MB of RAM

maybe even less with a single player

[half harness]

yea

but

you have to account for the other servers

idle servers take ram

[jovial warren]

there is no way that you can't fit an extra 256 MB RAM in there

[half harness]

this is my computer without mc server open

and im not on mc server

[obtuse gale]

What frequency

[jovial warren]

you have a virus lol

[forest pecan]

u suck dkim

[distant sun]

ive been there, it sucks

[half harness]

1600MHz

DDR3

[obtuse gale]

I'm dying

[forest pecan]

1600???

[obtuse gale]

WhAt the fuck

[forest pecan]

my memory is twice faster than yours

[half harness]

oh

[forest pecan]

more than twice

what about cpu?

[half harness]

i5

3450

[jovial warren]

https://i.imgur.com/F2A9rbc.png

[forest pecan]

gigahertz?

[half harness]

3.2ghz

although it sucks

[forest pecan]

cores?

[half harness]

feels like 1.6ghz

[half harness]

4

[distant sun]

1333 Mhz F

[forest pecan]

lmao

I have 4.2 ghz with 6 cores xD

[half harness]

oof

[half harness]

🥺

[half harness]

i dont want to spend money on a computer that im fine with

[forest pecan]

bardy you have 32 gigabytes of ram lmao

[old wyvern]

What does it contain

[jovial warren]

I got 4 8GB 3200 MHz sticks running at 3000 MHz (because there isn't a profile that allows them to max out)

[old wyvern]

🥲

[jovial warren]

alright, it doesn't spawn preload

[old wyvern]

Entities

[forest pecan]

lmao

[jovial warren]

or bootstrap any registries and stuff

[old wyvern]

Generation

[distant sun]

nice

[jovial warren]

entities aren't preloaded

[old wyvern]

They are in spawn chunks

[jovial warren]

unless they're named

[half harness]

my computer isn't that bad though

in bridge duels its constantly 80+ fps

[jovial warren]

https://i.imgur.com/PPruLmZ.png CPU stats

[half harness]

i know it's all void, but whatever

3969 threads

[jovial warren]

wait what

[old wyvern]

o.o

windows update

[jovial warren]

is there actually 4000 threads running rn

[old wyvern]

Time to see if grub messes up ig

[jovial warren]

there's no way even a Ryzen 7 can deal with that

[half harness]

mine has 3.7k

[forest pecan]

depends what the threads are doing

[jovial warren]

true

98% of threads spend most of their life idling

[forest pecan]

i mean you do have a lot of memory

lol

[half harness]

i dont 🥲 😢

[obtuse gale]

And ryzen is a beast

[forest pecan]

so the overhead isnt going to be a big issue

[jovial warren]

yeah Ryzens are ludicrous

[forest pecan]

fuck intel

[half harness]

how come no one has a bad pc like me

[forest pecan]

i have ryzen too

[onyx loom]

good choice

[jovial warren]

Intel Core > AMD FX

AMD Ryzen > Intel Core

facts

[forest pecan]

Yeah

[jovial warren]

before the Ryzens, Intel Cores were the way to go

but Ryzens are faster and cheaper

[half harness]

oh

i thought intel was cheaper

[old wyvern]

🥲

[obtuse gale]

It literally never was lmao

[half harness]

oh

[obtuse gale]

AMD has always been known for being cheaper

And hot 🥵

[onyx loom]

actually, ryzen 5000 is more expensive than intel 11th gen

[oblique heath]

it's also better so it evens out 😎

[onyx loom]

yes

intel still bad

[old wyvern]

Intel's fine

[onyx loom]

they knew 11th gen was shit themselves so they put the prices down 🤡

[oblique heath]

intel is stale

[old wyvern]

😮

[onyx loom]

fine if u allow the fact their cpus are slower, hotter, less efficient and was more expensive before ryzen 5000

[old wyvern]

Wtf is going on

xD

[onyx loom]

🥲

[old wyvern]

oh

chrome

yea

that explains it

[onyx loom]

2/2 slots DIMM slots 🥲

[obtuse gale]

Classic

[half harness]

welp just refreshed discord so it went from 1.2gb ram usage to 400mb

[oblique heath]

that's a lot of tabs

[ocean quartz]

Samee

[half harness]

that's a lot of tabs

[old wyvern]

🥲

[onyx loom]

what an average developer's google chrome looks like

[obtuse gale]

Everyone here simps for Linux but y'all asses be sharing Windows screenshots

[onyx loom]

gl 😮

[half harness]

lol

[old wyvern]

🥲

[obtuse gale]

What a bunch of hypocrisy that goes in here smh

[oblique heath]

i simp for linux as a workstation

[old wyvern]

I got it installed

But dont have time to install stuff atm

[oblique heath]

this is me simping for linux

[half harness]

how do u see updtime

in linux

[oblique heath]

it's shown in neofetch

[half harness]

oh

22 days

[oblique heath]

you can also do uptime apparently

[old wyvern]

lmao

[half harness]

also my bot yesterday went down because of discord api ratelimit

yesterday

also had to use discord browser

with vpn

[oblique heath]

discord has a ratelimit??

[half harness]

yea

[oblique heath]

where do i find that

[half harness]

happens when you spam something

🥲

[half harness]

idk

but i googled

and it turned out i was ratelimited

discord just stays on connecting

and on browser nothing loads

unless you use a vpn

[onyx loom]

classic dkim, ur even spamming in bots

[half harness]

no not in bot

it ratelimited my ip

[oblique heath]

10,000 per 10 minutes
dkim what have you done

[onyx loom]

🥲

[half harness]

sending a message counts part of ur ratelimit

iirc

so this message

right here

[oblique heath]

this is 16 a second

[half harness]

uh

[oblique heath]

discord also says

All bots can make up to 50 requests per second to our API. This is independent of any individual rate limit on a route.

oh i evolved

[half harness]

lol

[obtuse gale]

You know why it's so high? Want to really know why?

[half harness]

no comment

[obtuse gale]

It's because

Of people

That tyoe

Like

ThIs

All

The time

[oblique heath]

man

i hate

people like that

so much

:)

[static zealot]

ivan tier 3

new color

nice

[oblique heath]

yee

still can't post images in #minecraft

one day.... 🥲

[onyx loom]

no one can

[half harness]

you need staff

i think

[onyx loom]

yea

[oblique heath]

aw

[half harness]

u can use imgur

[oblique heath]

yucky

[half harness]

or lightshot

or similar

[old wyvern]

successful update

[half harness]

embeds work

idk y

[old wyvern]

grub didnt mess up

[obtuse gale]

Literally it's the dev channels + off topic you can post images

[old wyvern]

😌

[obtuse gale]

Lol

[distant sun]

is there any way to specify a return value for @Contract, other than null?

[onyx loom]

i dont understand why #development has it

[old wyvern]

a few

like new, this

[obtuse gale]

!null

[distant sun]

what about empty string?

[onyx loom]

new?

[obtuse gale]

Can't specify actual values though

[old wyvern]

mhm

[distant sun]

what would !null be for a string

empty I assume

[old wyvern]

it could just be !null

But I think new makes more sense

[distant sun]

let's see

[obtuse gale]

I mean !null just means it never returns null for that input lol

[old wyvern]

mhm

[onyx loom]

pure 😌

[old wyvern]

😌

Haslin

[obtuse gale]

does #chat-reaction give xp?

[onyx loom]

yes

[static zealot]

yeah around 20-80 iirc

someone tested it

a lot

[onyx loom]

wat

[static zealot]

but can't remember who

[onyx loom]

that doesnt seem right

at all

[static zealot]

well I am known for bad memory lmao

for having a bad memory*

[old wyvern]

for wins?

[static zealot]

yeah

maybe it was 2-8?

xD

[onyx loom]

i just got 10 for 1 win

[obtuse gale]

oo

[ocean quartz]

A normal message is from 0-50xp

[static zealot]

oh well then either they changed it or I was completely wrong

[onyx loom]

ill keep testing to try get a range

[onyx loom]

depending on messages length too

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132

How is that an advantage

[onyx loom]

@static zealot just done several tests on chat reaction, i got a range from 10-18xp per win, so its probably gonna be 10-20xp