dev-general

[old wyvern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_of_Sweden

[half harness]

Bridget of Sweden (c. 1303 – 23 July 1373); born as Birgitta Birgersdotter, also Birgitta of Vadstena, or Saint Birgitta (Swedish: heliga Birgitta), was a mystic and saint, and founder of the Bridgettines nuns and monks after the death of her husband of twenty years. Outside Sweden, she was also known as the Princess of Nericia and was the mothe...

mothe

[prisma wave]

old woman british name

[old wyvern]

Queen Mitten when?

[prisma wave]

😮

only if i can marry prince peyton-jones 😩 😩

[old wyvern]

xD

Bristress Mitten

[prisma wave]

🤨

[old wyvern]

Mister Britain
Mistress Britain
Bristress Mitten

[forest pecan]

class Human(
   val name: String = "dkim",
   val age: Int = 11,
   val height: Int = 69,
   val profession: String = "pornstar"
)

fun main() {
  val olderDkim = Human(age = 20, height = 170, profession = "janitor")
}

u happy now dkim?

[prisma wave]

lmao

dkim fell off

wait

11 years old pornstar 🤨

[half harness]

o

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-dax-zilla-its-dax-rapping-singing-gif-17246669

[forest pecan]

Yep

11 year old pornstar

[old wyvern]

ITS DAX!!

[forest pecan]

mhm

[prisma wave]

cursed

[half harness]

🥲

[onyx loom]

child porn 🥲

[ocean quartz]

Very cursed 😬

[forest pecan]

Kaliber porn

[old wyvern]

Harry Potter and the Cursed Dkim

[onyx loom]

😳

would u like to feature in my next show pulse

[forest pecan]

ass

yes

[half harness]

i afk

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/rihanna-audacity-lion-witch-bitch-gif-19873019

[prisma wave]

will it be performed in prison?

[onyx loom]

🤨

potentially

[old wyvern]

lmao

[ocean quartz]

Good person, not contributing to the overpopulation problem

[half harness]

Lmao

[forest pecan]

Lmao

[static zealot]

Lmao

[prisma wave]

Lmao

[dawn hinge]

Lmao

[old wyvern]

Lmao

[onyx loom]

Lmao

[obtuse gale]

Lmao

[hot hull]

Lmao

[obtuse gale]

I got simps bois 😎

[half harness]

bbbruhhh

wait

fefo has eyes?

O_o

[obtuse gale]

no you don't lmao

sure lol

[onyx loom]

how dare u break the lmao chain

[old wyvern]

Lmao

[obtuse gale]

lmao

[old wyvern]

Lmao

[half harness]

lmao

[forest pecan]

lmao

[static zealot]

lmao

[dawn hinge]

lol

[half harness]

lol

[forest pecan]

lol

[old wyvern]

lol

[tranquil crane]

lol?

[pale shell]

lol

[static zealot]

mol

[jovial warren]

lol

what have I missed

[old wyvern]

Lmao

[jovial warren]

I just spent the past few hours watching civil war because I felt like it and I come back to whatever this is

[tranquil crane]

I'm disappointed that isn't embedding

[static zealot]

@tranquil crane why no embeds? Or is it just discord being discord?

oh lmaoo

[tranquil crane]

I'm gonna rerecord it and see if it embeds then

There we go, embedded that time

[static zealot]

nice

[half harness]

oh i thought you turned off the embed on purpose

[tranquil crane]

that would have been comedic

I'm not intentionally trying to rickroll people

I was just told by somebody that I could also animate it in the chat

[old wyvern]

Yes

[tranquil crane]

And potentially on a map

though I don't know how well that would work

[jovial warren]

what embed?

[old wyvern]

the block character and char colors

Do it nicole

[static zealot]

#showcase

[old wyvern]

The ultimate rick roll

[tranquil crane]

already using the block character in the hologram and scoreboard lol

off to chat we go I guess

[static zealot]

omg I just realised that you no longer get pinged when you reply to your own message

when did they fix that?

[ocean quartz]

@tranquil crane

[onyx loom]

months ago lol

[static zealot]

wait for real?

[tranquil crane]

Matt just an fyi this is all your fault for making the hologram display in the first place

[ocean quartz]

I am fine in taking the blame for art

[old wyvern]

😂

[jovial warren]

lol

[tranquil crane]

Can the chat box really only display 10 messages at a time?

[static zealot]

you should take it to the next level tho and change every texture in the game to a rick roll including the sun and all that

[tranquil crane]

it can display more when it's open I guess

20 when open

[static zealot]

try making it bigger or smaller from settings. I think more will fit then

I'm not sure tho

[tranquil crane]

I'll just set it to 20 and call it good

[ocean quartz]

I think you can increase it in the chat settings but that's client sided

[static zealot]

^^^

[tranquil crane]

I just have this to deal with

[old wyvern]

You can increase the height

[tranquil crane]

I guess those should be titled max

[old wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ6c17SLB7E

[jovial warren]

oh I've seen that before

[grizzled panther]

hello

anyone here work with deluxemenus

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/ello-govnar-gif-14177363

[old wyvern]

#general-plugins #general-plugins-2

[tranquil crane]

why have I done this https://gyazo.com/6cdd79a2f69d219cb6d789b8e91e802c

[onyx loom]

lmao

[jovial warren]

why does Minecraft allow this

[onyx loom]

needs more pixels

[ocean quartz]

That was the first thing I did when 1.16 came out xD

[old wyvern]

wonderful

[tranquil crane]

well I now have 5 display types

[jovial warren]

why does the client render these squares

[old wyvern]

its a character

[jovial warren]

that ain't ASCII

[old wyvern]

unicode

[jovial warren]

likely from the Unicode font Minecraft has

[ocean quartz]

Where it all started #showcase message

[tranquil crane]

going to edit the showcase post in like 30 seconds

prepare yourselves

[jovial warren]

I still gotta find something I can show off from Krypton lol

but it's pretty fucked rn

[tranquil crane]

I swear if it doesn't embed

there we go

pure art

oh gee matt you put the whole video in there

[old wyvern]

Add map too

[static zealot]

omg

that's beautiful

[jovial warren]

what are all those on

ik one is in chat and one is on the scoreboard, then one is in particles, but what are the other two?

banners or something?

[ocean quartz]

It actually was the entire thing but the video was getting too big xD

[old wyvern]

debug marker, armor stands

[jovial warren]

ah right

[tranquil crane]

going to go grab something to eat then I'll try maps

never worked with the map renderer before

anyone know how to remove a scoreboard? I'm using player.setScoreboard(Bukkit.getScoreboardManager().getNewScoreboard()); like I've seen suggested but it just doesn't do anything

[jovial warren]

it's Bukkit lol

what do you expect

scoreboards in Bukkit suck ass from what I've seen

send a packet with NMS to tell the client to hide the current scoreboard

[tranquil crane]

the whole scoreboard thing will be packet based at some point

couldn't be bothered to do it that way right now though

[jovial warren]

can I just use this as a perfect opportunity circlejerk Krypton

Krypton's scoreboard API will be good

[tranquil crane]

I'm having to run the scoreboard process all on the main thread because it can't be used async

[prisma wave]

can I just use this as a perfect opportunity to circlejerk Haskell

[tranquil crane]

everything else is async

[ocean quartz]

Oh shit just saw this https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2021/04/kotlin-1-5-0-rc-released/

[jovial warren]

https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2021/04/kotlin-1-5-0-rc-released/#stable-unsigned-integer-types 👀

https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2021/04/kotlin-1-5-0-rc-released/#extensions-for-java-nio-path that might actually be useful for me

[tranquil crane]

Didn't 1.4 like just come out really recently

[jovial warren]

no...?

[ocean quartz]

1.4 was released in august

[jovial warren]

1.4 was released on the 17th of August 2020

[tranquil crane]

welp nvm then

[ocean quartz]

1.4.32 was released like 2 weeks ago

I am not sure if this is how it's supposed to work lmao

[forest pecan]

I used Maps as well for video playback

It's a bit more complex, but you can gain very good quality out of it

I managed to play 1080 before on it

However, the issue is you can't directly display it into Minecraft

Minecraft has a limited palette of 86 colors

(or somewhere around it). It's nowhere close to the full rgb palette

However with dithering, you can pretty much achieve the full palette

Filter Lite dithering, one of the fastest error diffusion dithering algorithms: https://github.com/PulseBeat02/MinecraftMediaLibrary/blob/master/MinecraftMediaLibrary/src/main/java/com/github/pulsebeat02/minecraftmedialibrary/video/dither/FilterLiteDither.java

I also used a bit of NMS to set the map packets https://github.com/PulseBeat02/MinecraftMediaLibrary/blob/master/v1_16_R3/src/main/java/com/github/pulsebeat02/minecraftmedialibrary/nms/impl/v1_16_R3/NMSMapPacketIntercepter.java

The results are quite great with dithering: #showcase message

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_diffusion

It's quite interesting

[tranquil crane]

oh wow

[forest pecan]

ive been working on this for months xD

I wanted to get it out in production some day

[prisma wave]

https://www.codingame.com/ide/381027455782d253583a3baa860a3bfa6acaafa4

[timber oak]

Best API to kick, mute and ban?

[jovial warren]

there isn't one

might be in the future when I get working on Punishments, but the LiteBans API is trash

and the Bukkit API just uses the default vanilla mechanic of saving bans to files

[timber oak]

So I should just work with spigot's basic methods for it?

[jovial warren]

https://i.imgur.com/7zpV8CC.png why are these so rare to come by in Krypton 😦

blames that aren't like at least 80% me

[jovial warren]

most punishments plugins just listen to the events and do their own handling

[hallow crane]

does krypton currently work

can you make a server on it

and can you develop plugins

[jovial warren]

yes

somewhat

[hallow crane]

So, you are saying that I can, right now, make a functional server that is 100% functional and complete with Krypton

[jovial warren]

there is an API, and it supports as much as the server currently supports atm

[hallow crane]

With MobAI, World generation, etc.

[jovial warren]

no, it's nowhere near completion, but it's at least somewhat functional

[hallow crane]

^

[jovial warren]

https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/issues/19 packet support

[hallow crane]

Well I'd hold off on boasting about krypton just yet until it is fully functional

Looks pretty cool, but I can't use it.

[jovial warren]

thanks

[hallow crane]

would be cool to have an alternative type of world data file

[forest pecan]

i think the current one is fine

[hallow crane]

I never said it wasn't, but I might want to have it be more readable or a different format for various reasons

[forest pecan]

if you had an alternative type of world data file it'd probably take more work

[jovial warren]

lol

you know every chunk is always found at the exact same coordinates, and that the file is filled with empty space in between right?

[forest pecan]

it's really not, but you get what I'm trying to say here

[jovial warren]

it's stupidly inefficient

[forest pecan]

and yes that is dumb xD

[hallow crane]

I think implementing the original type in the first place would be exactly the same amount of work as a different format.

[forest pecan]

didn't Krypton just copied classes from an NBT API

lol

[jovial warren]

I only use Anvil for two reasons:

1. I can't be assed to design and publish a standard for my own format
2. I am designing Krypton around being a drop-in replacement for vanilla

[jovial warren]

the region file stuff was copied directly from Mojang with a few changes to make it more Kotlinified, yes

[forest pecan]

Yeah

[jovial warren]

I just gave up in the end lol

I did attempt to do it on my own but just got fed up with being useless

[forest pecan]

yeah you were raging in dev-general and dev chat about it lmfao

xD

[jovial warren]

oh I've raged in here about quite a few things

[forest pecan]

makes entirely sense tho cause its a pain in the ass

[jovial warren]

block states was fun

🥲

[forest pecan]

Palette xD

[jovial warren]

and I didn't even solve that either

I just hacked around it

because Mojang is a bitch and decided to hard code every single block into the Blocks file, including their block states

because no, the files outputted by the data generators aren't used internally by Minecraft

unless they are generated by code generation, which is another option

that's what Minestom does

[timber oak]

How come AsyncPlayerChatEvent is way better that PlayerChatEvent?

Intellij says so atleast

[forest pecan]

because

[jovial warren]

it's in the name

[forest pecan]

its async

lol

well more specifically

[timber oak]

But arent all events better in async then?

[forest pecan]

its better thread safety

[jovial warren]

not even sure how that's cancellable if it's async

is the entire chat mechanism just handled async?

[forest pecan]

if it was sync then servers would die lmao

[jovial warren]

true

[forest pecan]

people spamming chat xD

[timber oak]

Well I want to cancel the event for making a mute thing

[jovial warren]

but this is vanilla

not that far fetched

[timber oak]

ig this is the best way to mute right?

checking a list etc.

[forest pecan]

check a hashset of uuids of muted

[jovial warren]

also, you know vanilla could handle packets async by handling them when it gets them using Netty's IO threads but they choose to put them into a queue and handle them sync in the tick

[timber oak]

why not just a list with uuid's?

[forest pecan]

because a hashset is significantly faster

a hashset .contains only takes O(1)

[ocean quartz]

Huh apparently this isn't a bug from my changes, this is an actual bug with bukkit lmao

[jovial warren]

sounds like a premature optimisation pulse

[timber oak]

So the set contains uuid and what?

[jovial warren]

just UUIDs

a set is a collection, not a map

[forest pecan]

I mean its still going to be faster no matter what. O(N) is still much slower than O(1) in all cases xD

[jovial warren]

anyway, gn, gotta go to bed now

[forest pecan]

unless N = 1

or smthing

[timber oak]

So I should always use sets instead of lists?

[forest pecan]

I don't think you quite understand

Both data structures are used for different purposes

HashSet use an algorithm called Hashing which allows fast contains method checking

[timber oak]

So sets are mostly for stuff like contains() and lists are where you know the index of what you're handling?

or wat

[forest pecan]

Yep

That's the point

[timber oak]

Aight, makes sense

[forest pecan]

And also

set has no duplicates

[timber oak]

so if I add the same UUID twice it does nothing?

[forest pecan]

Yeah

well

Yeah

it just does nothing for the second one

[timber oak]

Yeah

Also

[forest pecan]

it just keeps one copy

I mean

[timber oak]

Why should I use UUID instead of Player objects

[obtuse gale]

UUIDs are stateless and won't change over time

a Player object you don't know how the hashing is done

[timber oak]

Ahhh, so contains() would not always work

[obtuse gale]

that + the server will most definitely won't like it if the player logs in and out and the previous Player object is still somewhere 😬

[timber oak]

Ahhh yeah makes sense

[obtuse gale]

plus

[timber oak]

Hmmm, I would need to store this in a file or something though for server restarts

[obtuse gale]

UUIDs are literally just two single longs

that is gonna be fast

[forest pecan]

Yeah the Player class has a lot of unnecessary bloat

and overhead

and it wouldnt even work

lmfao

[ocean quartz]

Anyone wanna review this? https://github.com/TriumphTeam/gui/pull/14
Then bully me for it?

[obtuse gale]

no

I can bully for free

[ocean quartz]

😢

[forest pecan]

wait you were implementing InventoryHolder before?

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, it's still the best way to do it

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-funny-gif-11614284

Choco bullied me for doing that lmfao

He said that it shouldn't be, but instead using InventoryView

[ocean quartz]

Eh i don't really care what they say lol
I'm changing it for another reason

[obtuse gale]

public interface GuiAction<T extends InventoryEvent>

just add extends Consumer<T> please :please:

and default consume -> execute

Annotations on fields :why:

[forest pecan]

lol

[ocean quartz]

Why?

[ocean quartz]

I prefer it lol

[obtuse gale]

https://tenor.com/view/because-i-said-so-thats-why-control-dominant-pushy-gif-7820977

[ocean quartz]

Good reason, but I ain't changing it

[obtuse gale]

I'mma fork it then

just to add that

and maintain my own fork

[forest pecan]

lol

[obtuse gale]

until the end of times

[ocean quartz]

Why does that matter? lol

[timber oak]

Something like this can be static right?

public static HashSet<UUID> mutedPlayers = new HashSet<>();

Or nah

[forest pecan]

then hes gonna spam PRs

lol

[obtuse gale]

it can, but it probably shouldn't

[timber oak]

Why not though

[forest pecan]

use a manager class

[timber oak]

I don't understand when I should use static

[timber oak]

A class for just one set?

[ocean quartz]

Do you know what static does?

[timber oak]

Gives access to all classes

[ocean quartz]

no

[timber oak]

other static methods or smth though right?

[forest pecan]

it loads it into the memory

directly

[ocean quartz]

Static makes the member belong to the class not the instance

[timber oak]

So why is this bad?

[forest pecan]

because it destroys oop concepts

and its called static abuse

[obtuse gale]

static means, as far as fields are concerned, that there is one instance of that field only

[forest pecan]

not using static correctly

[obtuse gale]

Good use of static: final immutable ("unmodifiable") objects and variables (e.g. regex patterns, config key paths); utility methods (e.g. color formatting)

Bad use of static: things that change over time (lists/maps/sets, config values); methods for "data management" and the like

[ocean quartz]

I'm never said it's bad, just that it isn't the right usage

[timber oak]

So everything that doesnt change can be static?

[hallow crane]

Also singleton main class instance

[forest pecan]

well, not necessarily

there is usually a reason to use it other than just that. Perhaps stuff like accessing it a ton

For example, Reflexive operations

[ocean quartz]

No lol

[hallow crane]

What's wrong with it?

[forest pecan]

absolutely no

[ocean quartz]

Everything

[hallow crane]

Lol, DI is overrated.

[forest pecan]

You are overrated

[obtuse gale]

your ass is overrated

[hallow crane]

Singleton is a legitimate design pattern

[timber oak]

Static or wat?

[ocean quartz]

A bad design pattern

[forest pecan]

wdym for "or wat"

[hallow crane]

It's real, it's for specific cases, and this is one of those cases.

[timber oak]

or what*
but like static or DI?

[forest pecan]

it's not for this case. It doesn't follow SOLID actually

[hallow crane]

Actually it does, depending on the application. JournalDev has a nice article on it.

[obtuse gale]

a good use case for singletons is for example something I tend to use with Gson, custom TypeAdapter instances

[forest pecan]

you just said plugins

[hallow crane]

what?

When did I say plugins

[ocean quartz]

Singleton pattern violates the single responsibility principle, makes it awful to unit test, etc

[forest pecan]

#dev-general message

well from that, you are basically also saying that for plugins too lmao

[timber oak]

So Pulse, should I make an object in the main class and get the set from there or a completely new class for it?

[hallow crane]

Look up "Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software" page 127

[forest pecan]

Horribly coupled code too

[hallow crane]

What does "main class" have to do with plugins?

A main class is categorized as the entry point to a Java program, doesn't have to be plugins.

[forest pecan]

Well, it depends on what your indication of "main class" is. Are you talking about plugin main classes? Or something like Spigot or Bukkit main entry point?

Cause yes, plugins are different from the software itself still too

[hallow crane]

General purpose java applications.

GoF book says

Use the Singleton pattern when

- there must be exactly one instance of a class, and it must be accessible to clients from a well-known access point.
- when the sole instance should be extensible by subclassing, and clients should be able to use an extended instance without modifying their code.

At least, my CS professor recommended this to me. Unless you're saying he's wrong....

[forest pecan]

What's the difference from just enforcing one instance class

[hallow crane]

It permits refinement of operations and representation. The Singleton class may be subclassed, and it's easy to configure an application with an instance of this extended class. You can configure the application with an instance of the class you need at run-time.

[forest pecan]

plus, singletons have tight coupling too

[hallow crane]

sure it breaks the one instance principle that DI uses but consumers will always depend directly on the concrete class to get the instance, while the DIP prescribes the use of abstractions.

[forest pecan]

I mean, di is not much different from those benefits lmao. You can still provide it.

[hallow crane]

^

[forest pecan]

but still, i would choose di

[hallow crane]

Okay, and I have nothing against it

I use DI often

however in the case of mc plugins, using singleton is probably not the best idea because "singleton" loosely implies that the instance can be recreated if needed, but accessed through a simple means and the JavaPlugin system that bukkit implements is strictly against that

---

would you suggest that a static method that uses main class instances

1. breaks basic design patterns
2. doesn't, but I need context in the method arguments

[forest pecan]

is that a question? lmfao

[hallow crane]

yes

mostly unrelated to the previous conversation

[forest pecan]

Well, it would depend.

Let me think through this for a second lmfao

I mean, when I usually use static methods it's usually for some utility method right?

[hallow crane]

right but isnt utility an abstract concept

what if the utility involves a calculation factory that is housed in some random instance

[forest pecan]

Well, then I would create some manager class instead of a utility method

and put the method in that manager class

[spring canyon]

Manager Classes 👀

[ocean quartz]

Plus on an utility method, nothing prevents you from passing the main class instance in the parameter of the method

[forest pecan]

though if I were to be honest, I actually much rather prefer such methods to be enclosed in another class instance so if other people use it they don't have to deal with main class instantiation and that stuff.

After all, idk if that would be considered utility lol

[hallow crane]

manager classes are useful

[ocean quartz]

Another big issue with the singleton pattern, your instance will be flying around with no control what so ever
When you use DI you can control exactly what gets in and out of the classes you choose

[hallow crane]

what if I had an API and that instance isn't accessible by an extending program without a static method?

I would need reflection to access it

[spring canyon]

Manager classes usually violate the single responsibility principle

[oak raft]

I'm seeing a lot of companies require c++ knowledge so it's probably a good idea to learn 🙂

[hallow crane]

usually

[hallow crane]

I can have an enclosing data capsule

[forest pecan]

depends on what manager is about

and what is involved

[steel heart]

Elaborate

[spring canyon]

Sure, but the way most people use it it does

[forest pecan]

in this case, I don't think it would

[spring canyon]

• it's a pretty generic name

[oak raft]

yo pulse since when did you do work on among us?

[forest pecan]

the backdoor?

or the plugin?

lmfao

[oak raft]

plugin

[forest pecan]

like a while ago

[oak raft]

oh shit fefo too?

[steel heart]

Arguably you create a manager to follow srp not to break it

[forest pecan]

it was messy at the end and none of us really played among us anyways lmao

so we just gave it up

[ocean quartz]

An API isn't the same as your main class, which is what this entire argument is about
And there are ways to make it work, like the RegisteredServiceProvider which I would prefer using for APIs

[oak raft]

ah lmao

[spring canyon]

you? In my experience most people don't

[hallow crane]

I mean a general purpose application not necessarily bukkit

[steel heart]

Most people?

[spring canyon]

In my experience

It is different from your experience :smart:

[ocean quartz]

Why does that matter? You can easily apply the same system to any application
And if you want you can also use Guice or any other DI framework

[steel heart]

Guice :0

Juice

[hallow crane]

that implementation in bukkit only exists because bukkit houses the instances of the plugins inside of it...in a general purpose app that doesn't exist

[steel heart]

Jesus the Bukkit class

😫

[forest pecan]

lol

Bukkit class be like

fuck srp

[steel heart]

Nevertheless is it static

Or

The methods in it are

[ocean quartz]

Or take the approach of Kotlin and ditch static

[steel heart]

Companion and jvmstatic?

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/off-size-off-wacky-face-pouty-lips-gif-16675463

@JvmStatic

[ocean quartz]

A companion object isn't static and jvmstatic is just for interop

[steel heart]

Yeah

Well companion objects are similar to static aren’t they

[spring canyon]

Aren't there object classes in Kotlin?

[ocean quartz]

Similar but doesn't work the same way

[ocean quartz]

And yeah

[forest pecan]

always did for a while

[spring canyon]

They work like a class full of static methods although it is a singleton internally iirc

[ocean quartz]

Object is a singleton, which is nice
Though you wouldn't do for example your main class on a plugin be an object or anything like that

[steel heart]

Btw anyone that knows how an objects System#identityHashCode is calculated btw?

[spring canyon]

Companion object if you really want a singleton there?

Haven't done any Kotlin in the last months :/

[ocean quartz]

For example:

class PluginName : JavaPlugin() {
  
  override fun onEnable() {
    instance = this
  }

  companion object { 
    private var instance: PluginName? = null
    fun getIntance(): PluginName {
      return instance
    }
  }
  
}

Which would be the Java equivalent to what most people do, it wouldn't work, it'll error out because it's not allowed

[oak raft]

so, in c++ you're supposed to have brackets like this?

int main()
{

}

[ocean quartz]

Object itself is the singleton, a companion object is a singleton that is companion to the main class

[lunar cypress]

There are different c++ conventions

Like the language, it's pretty much all over the place

[oak raft]

You're not a fan of c++?

[spring canyon]

I was talking about normal classes again

Thanks for the explanation tho

[lunar cypress]

"C++ is all over the place" is an objective fact

Every C++ programmer will tell you the same

[oak raft]

oh lol

[ocean quartz]

Yeah i know, what i was saying is that adding a companion object doesn't exactly make the normal one a singleton ;p

[lunar cypress]

There's people who enjoy making sense of it and understanding it to an extent that they can be very productive with it and there's people who don't

[spring canyon]

Ye, ik :D

[ocean quartz]

When I did C++ i used K&R

[obtuse gale]

"The brain is the most important organ in the human body"

• The brain

[oak raft]

actually true lol

[lunar cypress]

Come on, whether you like it or not, you can't deny this

[obtuse gale]

the brain can't

[dusk holly]

Hello

[oak raft]

not you again -_-

[dusk holly]

I am not Donald

[oak raft]

where are the other 2?

[dusk holly]

Busy

in Russia

[oak raft]

ah

[dusk holly]

So how are you

[oak raft]

im doing well

how have u been doing

[dusk holly]

I am bored

[oak raft]

also #off-topic

before matt yells at us

[dusk holly]

It has been 8 years since I bombed a country

[lunar cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[dusk holly]

9 years

10 years

I have lost count

[timber oak]

Does java applications usually use DI or static? Like things made other than mc plugins etc.

[half harness]

wot?

yes

you should always use DI

anyone have minecraft 1.16 open to test something

because i only have 1.8 open rn and lunar only allows 1 mc instance and i cba opening regular launcher

because regular = 🤢

[ocean quartz]

Mentions 1 big issue with the client still says the other client that doesn't have said issue is bad lol

[half harness]

wdym

[ocean quartz]

You just said lunar client doesn't let you open 2 instances at the same time lol

[half harness]

ye

i dont like regular because it makes my fps poop

[timber oak]

I've been that I shouldn't always though

[ocean quartz]

Well vanilla client lets you
Just use optifine

[timber oak]

Pressed enter by mistake

[ocean quartz]

You should

[half harness]

i do use optifine

[timber oak]

But sometimes static can be useful I've been told

[ocean quartz]

Static is useful but no point in using it for instance getters stuff when you have DI

[dawn hinge]

You could actually open two instances of Lunar, just not directly

[timber oak]

There kinda is though, if I need like 6 instances it gets "ugly" with DI

[ocean quartz]

How so?

[prisma wave]

That is why you use a DI framework

[timber oak]

Well 6 parameter and so on, I could just use DI for one class then use instance getters in that class. Not saying I should do this for everything but yk

[timber oak]

huh?

[prisma wave]

If you reach a big enough codebase that this becomes an issue you could look into a DI Framework like Guice

[forest pecan]

omg

[timber oak]

But like let's say I have 3 different kinds of data handlers, I could just get all the instances with one class then use DI with that?

[forest pecan]

did you watch the medical vidoes

i remember that comment

exactly

[timber oak]

That'd be fine right?

[forest pecan]

from a brain dissection video

or smthing

where these people dissected an actual human brain

i scrolled down the comments and i think of them was that

lmao

[timber oak]

BM?

[prisma wave]

Bmm

Hmm*

It depends

It's sorta situational

[obtuse gale]

I mean you can also have getters for the handlers in a central "main" class and pass that class instead and use the getters lol

[timber oak]

that's what I mean

[prisma wave]

That's arguably violating the dependency inversion principle though I think

You're injecting more than you necessarily need

It might be one of the other principles idk

Too many to remember

[timber oak]

Only if I use the getter though?

Or no?

[static zealot]

yo so I'm trying to git fetch from another repository's main branch. I've set the remote but it fetches from all branches when I do git fetch upstream where upstream is the name of the remote

ah nvm its just git fetch upstream main

[obtuse gale]

but yeah if you really have to pass too many things a DI framework is probably best to use

[half harness]

what is a DI framework?!

[obtuse gale]

a framework

that does DI for you

[half harness]

example of code usage?

[obtuse gale]

it... depends.. on the framework

[timber oak]

But if I have 5 instance getters in a class and only actually use one of them in the class will it be a problem? Or nah

[half harness]

isn't all DI just passing through constructor

[obtuse gale]

not necessarily, post-construction setters

[obtuse gale]

I don't see how that is a problem

[timber oak]

Not sure what BM meant then

[forest pecan]

i dont use a di framework cause im only passing 1 instance, but can the framework help with if its passed around a ton?

[prisma wave]

well

Idk what the exact term is but I guess it's sorta to do with liskov

If you only need 1 part of a class it's better to just inject that 1 part than the entire class

[obtuse gale]

well yeah but if it gets to the point you need 6 out of 8 classes you have getters for in a central api/main/whatever class...

[timber oak]

I just don't see how having too many getters is a problem, they take no memory or anything before they are run anyway? Or are they?

[prisma wave]

It's about clean code not performance

[obtuse gale]

if anything it takes a handful of bytes so 100% nothing to worry about unless you have millions upon millions of methods lol

[timber oak]

Ahh alright, I thought you were talking about performance

mb

[half harness]

btw fefo i got rid of inventorycloseevent because you were right :c
weird

[prisma wave]

Nah

ic

[obtuse gale]

mhm

[half harness]

also

can i modify contents of InventoryView after i close the view/inventory?

[prisma wave]

Sounds dangerous

[half harness]

since this: view.setItem(rawSlot, item.clone()); isn't working.. and i have a horrifying entry:
Map.Entry<InventoryLoc, Map.Entry<ItemStack, Map.Entry<Integer, InventoryView>>> to store the data

Integer being the raw slot

idk how to put the item back in the chest though :/

[prisma wave]

🥶

[obtuse gale]

get the inventory from the raw slot and change it on the inventory itself ig?

[half harness]

how do i convert raw slot -> regular slot

[obtuse gale]

uh there was a method

InventoryView#convertSlot

Converts a raw slot ID into its local slot ID into whichever of the two inventories the slot points to.

[half harness]

thx

[obtuse gale]

you should really start reading the jd yourself more often

like

for real

[half harness]

lemme try just setting the inventoryview first

since i just printed it out and the item is air

lol

[half harness]

sry

[prisma wave]

start reading hackage.haskell.org too

[half harness]

java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Cannot drop air aww why

hm lemme try amount 0

[prisma wave]

[half harness]

java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Cannot drop air awww

still

how do i make the player drop nothing

[obtuse gale]

well idk what you're doing so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half harness]

i explained in development channel 😫

oh

what if i do this

try {
  // blah
} catch (IllegalArgumentException ignored) {}
```lol

/s i need a real solution

[cinder flare]

Is there not an event for an item going into a players inventory that you can cancel too?

Or maybe just delete the item instead of canceling it

[ocean quartz]

Why is this nullable?

[obtuse gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean quartz]

Fucking Bukkit

[half harness]

lol

[steel heart]

Maybe if it’s like the players own inventory or smtng

[obtuse gale]

@ocean quartz this is the single most stupid thing ever

you know how the method is in HumanEntity, right?

[ocean quartz]

This method is a mess

Yeah checking it right now

[obtuse gale]

it checks for an entityplayer...

this is beyond stupid

[steel heart]

Bruh

[ocean quartz]

Bukkit never ceases to surprise

So this is the only time it's null?

if (getHandle().activeContainer == formerContainer) {
  return null;
}

[obtuse gale]

idek what that means ngl

[ocean quartz]

Me neither

[steel heart]

Might be this but still dodo

[ocean quartz]

Sounds like it's checking to see if the current inventory being opened is the one already opened lmao

[steel heart]

Is this for mfgui btw Matt?

[obtuse gale]

why wouldn't it return the already existing view... i.e. getOpenInventory

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, trying to get rid of inventory holder to be able to abstract this easier

[steel heart]

Uh Bukkits Inventory and InventoryView api isnt the best I recall trying to use InventoryView, only god knows where that project ended up

[ocean quartz]

I tried with the inventory and it worked to some degree but it wasn't perfect, with the view it seems better because even though two players can have the same inventory opened the views will be different

[steel heart]

Yeah, I mean to be fair InventoryHolder is the most solid thing. From my experience using Object#equals or just == on inventories to compare won’t go well. InventoryViews are just a mess I mean it’s sort of doesn’t make it easier at all (to compare) so I ended up going back to InventoryHolder.

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, ugh fucking Bukkit

[steel heart]

Can’t deny using nms might be easier

[ocean quartz]

How would you do this with nms?

[steel heart]

Hmm differently to a certain extent. I don’t remember what I did but I can try finding my abandoned gui thing if you wanna have a look. Basically we wouldn’t rely on InventoryHolder, Inventory nor InventoryView but I remember getting some other issues

I think I extended their container class and did some funky stuff

[obtuse gale]

Matt you noob

Just compare using the view title

[ocean quartz]

Interesting, I might just do inventory holder, can't be bothered with this anymore

[obtuse gale]

Git gud

[ocean quartz]

True!

[forest pecan]

this is the wae

Also String.format is so damn useful for filepaths lol

[cinder flare]

printf gang

[steel heart]

I used to call print(String.format())

[forest pecan]

isnt that just string.format and sysout combined

[steel heart]

Such a pain

[forest pecan]

lmao

[oak raft]

printf too complicated

[forest pecan]

its just string.format

lol

but with sysout

[oak raft]

no

[steel heart]

Yes

[forest pecan]

its not?

pretty sure it is

[obtuse gale]

It is lol

[oak raft]

its not

[steel heart]

[cinder flare]

It is in C, which is what I was referring to

[forest pecan]

theres printf in java too

[obtuse gale]

PrintWriter/Stream or w/e

[obtuse gale]

sprintf

[forest pecan]

now imagine

if adventure had printf

wait well

that wouldnt work well

lmao

[cinder flare]

But adventure isn't a logging framework lol

[forest pecan]

lol

i was talking about like

sending players messages

that

[obtuse gale]

I mean that's what translatables do in the end I believe

[forest pecan]

hola

[obtuse gale]

Estaba hablando de componentes traducibles 🌚

[steel heart]

player.sendMessagef when :0

[obtuse gale]

send a translatable component nub

[forest pecan]

whats estaba

lol

ik the rest of the sentence

[obtuse gale]

I was

[forest pecan]

but not estaba

ah

[steel heart]

Spanish literally confusing lol

[forest pecan]

Yo quiero un coc

[obtuse gale]

:o

[ocean quartz]

Hola me llamo la biblioteca

[forest pecan]

we just learned about preterite tense verbs

Matt you are named "the library"?

damn

[steel heart]

Tengo tienes

[forest pecan]

tengo -> i have

tienes -> you have

[steel heart]

oh ye

[obtuse gale]

pog

[forest pecan]

Fefo

wait one sec

let me construct a sentence

[ocean quartz]

Yes

[forest pecan]

Anoche, tu fueron en mi cama

is that correct?

besides accents lol

[steel heart]

Mi means me right?

[forest pecan]

yes

or my

well mi doesnt mean me

[ocean quartz]

Fefo, can you understand Spain's spanish well?

[forest pecan]

it means my

[steel heart]

Oh

[obtuse gale]

Hi

I'm bacj

K

[steel heart]

Tengo mi tienes

[forest pecan]

what lol

I have my you have

lol

[steel heart]

Lol

[obtuse gale]

mine*

[forest pecan]

oh

[forest pecan]

fefo look

is that correct

ik fueron needs to be past tense

cause it was last night

(anoche)

[obtuse gale]

I can understand Spain spanish more than I can understand 80% of Latin countries' spanish lmao

[forest pecan]

they use vosotros

a ton

[obtuse gale]

Yeah

[ocean quartz]

Interesting, I have a hard time understanding them but I can understand mexican for example super well

[obtuse gale]

It's more the mangled ones, Venezuela, Colombia, Chile oh my fucking god Chile what a mess

[forest pecan]

well most vosotros forms of verbs have extra accents

and very different pronounciation

[ocean quartz]

I agree Chile is horrible, I heard Paraguayan is bad too

[forest pecan]

Matt you're portaguese

right

[ocean quartz]

Definitely that

Portaquese

[forest pecan]

lol i used q

xD

[ocean quartz]

I am Brazilian-Portuguese

[forest pecan]

ah

ic

Kotlin Karen Brazillian-Portaguese dude

i see

[obtuse gale]

fueron = 3rd plural
fuimos = (we) plural
fuiste = (you) singular
fue = (3rd person) singular
fui = 1st person singular

Amazing 🤡

[ocean quartz]

Dude, took me so long to be able to understand Portugal's portuguese well

[forest pecan]

ohhh

i meant fuiste

yea

Ooof

[obtuse gale]

All past btw

[forest pecan]

so that was "Yesterday, he was in my bed"

not

"Yeserday, you were in my bed"

right

oh wait

i added tu

that makes it completely wrong

lol

tu fueron xD

tu fuiste

[obtuse gale]

Oh yeah but fui etc comes from ir (go) so you basically said "went"

[forest pecan]

yea

[obtuse gale]

Estar being
Estuvo was
Estuvieron were
Etc etc I cba

[forest pecan]

Yeah thats what we just got tested on

it was soooo confusing

prolly the hardest concept

[obtuse gale]

Dinner time owo

[hallow crane]

When velocity is lacking so many features that you have to create your own event bus to handle server connections...

[sweet cipher]

The crafting inventory is so buggy

[oak raft]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeupyBye/

Any Linux users wanna confirm?

[cinder flare]

nah it's more like yay -S google-chrome -> y

and then it's done

[oblique heath]

a one liner like apt install chrome -y is usually enough

but i guess it depends on if you already have gnome set up

[cinder flare]

ew apt lame

[timber oak]

If a server normally uses LiteBans for bans and mutes, should I then also use it in my plugin or what, I want to bannear and so on

Or should I just use spigot anyway

[oblique heath]

if you know your plugin will always be used alongside liteBans it's definitely nicer to work with their API

it's always nice to be able to use the same system for something everywhere imo

[stuck harbor]

u-fuckin'-buntu?

[lunar cypress]

Chrome 🤮

[stuck harbor]

🤢 chrome

[old wyvern]

@prisma wave would you recommend xfce or kde for manjaros de?

[quiet depot]

kde is the most beautiful de

[frail glade]

The who what now

[quiet depot]

kde plasma

desktop environment

linux

beard

[old wyvern]

Any advantages of xfce over kde? Or is kde the obvious choice?

[prisma wave]

XFCE is more lightweight

KDE looks better

[quiet depot]

do u have a source on that?

kde is meant to be pretty lightweight these days

[prisma wave]

No source but that seems to be the common conclusion

XFCE is better on low end stuff

Afaik

[old wyvern]

Hmm I think ill go with kde, thanks bm and piggy

[prisma wave]

np

KDE best DE anyway

[lunar cypress]

Xfce should be more lightweight, yeah

[hot hull]

Can someone go help the dude in development, I can't understand shit

[onyx loom]

"support" role 🤡

[obtuse gale]

Good morning, 'murIca 💪 🇺🇸 💪 😎 🎆

[dawn hinge]

@dusk holly

Where's Joe

[dusky ibex]

add compileonly()

in your build.gradle

[forest pecan]

  getServer().getPluginManager().registerEvents(new Listener() {
      @EventHandler void onLogin(final PlayerLoginEvent event) {
         event.disallow(Result.KICK_BANNED, "Go away you fat bitch");
      }
  }

[hot hull]

No u

[forest pecan]

lmao

[half harness]

ohhh maybe ill try adding test folder
try making another folder, put ur package/classes in there, then delete the src/main/java and make it again

since i dont really know what else to do

[steel heart]

send ur settings.gradle

and build.gradle

may wanna delete .idea and regenerate it also

[compact perch]

📋 Your paste, efefury

https://paste.helpch.at/lutacicuye

[half harness]

btw dont use compile

use implementation

also i dont think they're on jcenter anymore

[steel heart]

^

also dont use +, it will always bump latest version which can be a catastrophe sometimes

[half harness]

i dont think theres much you can do.. try making a new project and move ur package/classes to there, along with build.gradle...

since you've done literally everything

[steel heart]

restart and invalidate caches efe

[half harness]

oh

wtf

[steel heart]

the chances are something went wrong and its in a loop trying to recover itself

uh yeah well thats weird, and you're on latest version? I mean it could eventually have received a patch in newer versions

I use 6.7

but shouldnt matter

Help -> Check for updates

[obtuse gale]

-> > >

[steel heart]

exciting

[obtuse gale]

lol

[forest pecan]

good luck

lmfao

[steel heart]

did you do anything to your intellij before?

might actually wanna re install intellij entirely but Idk you may lose some preferences etc

ye

its cuz certain patches require a certain version

[forest pecan]

File#getAbsoluteMethod gets the path but it is native right?

so it uses backslash

and forwardslash for different operating systems right

[obtuse gale]

just use paths smh

[forest pecan]

i cant lmao

[obtuse gale]

why not

[forest pecan]

and also how would it be any different

if i did

File#toPath

[steel heart]

Paths are much better

[obtuse gale]

what are you trying to do

[forest pecan]

I have stored my video file as a File object. I must have it as a File object because I need to get information such as

size, extension

etc

[quiet depot]

sir this is dev general

[obtuse gale]

okay and why does the stringified version matter?

[forest pecan]

need it for an mrl

to pass to native libraries

[quiet depot]

mrl?

[forest pecan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_resource_locator

[obtuse gale]

ah, a URI

[steel heart]

go to the dev portal

then go to ur app

then go to auth2

check the bot box

then check the permission u want

then use the link generated

[forest pecan]

so does File#getAbsolutePath use native paths or java paths (like forward slash)?

it says the error right there lol

[steel heart]

d;jdk File#getAbsolutePath

[ruby crater]

java.io.File#getAbsolutePath

public String getAbsolutePath()
throws SecurityException```

Description:

Returns the absolute pathname string of this abstract pathname.

If this abstract pathname is already absolute, then the pathname string is simply returned as if by the getPath() method. If this abstract pathname is the empty abstract pathname then the pathname string of the current user directory, which is named by the system property user.dir, is returned. Otherwise this pathname is resolved in a system-dependent way. On UNIX systems, a relative pathname is made absolute by resolving it against the current user directory. On Microsoft Windows systems, a relative pathname is made absolute by resolving it against the current directory of the drive named by the pathname, if any; if not, it is resolved against the current user directory.

Returns:

The absolute pathname string denoting the same file or directory as this abstract pathname

Throws:

SecurityException - If a required system property value cannot be accessed.

Requested by: Abow Conclure • jdk

[steel heart]

I always use Path so Idk

[obtuse gale]

the pathname string is simply returned as if by the getPath() method

[steel heart]

but usually I call Path#toAbsolutePath then

[obtuse gale]

The resulting string uses the default name-separator character to separate the names in the name sequence

[quiet depot]

wait so why can't you use the nio api?

out of curiosity

does nio literally stand for "new input output"

[steel heart]

non-blocking ?

[obtuse gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

pulse smh

[forest pecan]

I mean, I'm just passing in a path from a File object provided before from installation

[steel heart]

sadly bukkit hasnt adapted to Paths so Ig thats a good enough excuse

assume you're working with bukkit api that is

[forest pecan]

Of course

I don't have anything against nio obviously

you need to give ur bot perms

[forest pecan]

wouldnt Path would just be toPath()?

[obtuse gale]

from file to path? yeah

[forest pecan]

well, that uses os dependent separators

right

[steel heart]

and then ofc if u want the file back just use Path#toFile I think,

yeah it does with high certainty

[obtuse gale]

I mean I answered your original question above lol

#dev-general message
#dev-general message

[forest pecan]

first one isn't true. Read on lol

If this abstract pathname is already absolute

And "default name-separator". I am assuming that means Java specific?

So forward slashes

[obtuse gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest pecan]

let me run some tests

[obtuse gale]

?tryandsee

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

https://tryitands.ee/

Requested by: Fefo<3 • tryandsee

[steel heart]

d;jdk File%pathSeparator

[ruby crater]

java.io.File%pathSeparator

public static final String pathSeparator```

Description:

The system-dependent path-separator character, represented as a string for convenience. This string contains a single character, namely pathSeparatorChar.

Requested by: Abow Conclure • jdk

[steel heart]

d;jdk File%pathSeparatorChar

[ruby crater]

java.io.File%pathSeparatorChar

public static final char pathSeparatorChar```

Description:

The system-dependent path-separator character. This field is initialized to contain the first character of the value of the system property path.separator. This character is used to separate filenames in a sequence of files given as a path list . On UNIX systems, this character is ':'; on Microsoft Windows systems it is ';'.

Requested by: Abow Conclure • jdk

[steel heart]

wait

[quiet depot]

path separator is for separating paths

[forest pecan]

shouldn't that work still?

[obtuse gale]

path separator != separator

[quiet depot]

are you sure that's what you want?

[steel heart]

d;jdk File%separator

[ruby crater]

java.io.File%separator

public static final String separator```

Description:

The system-dependent default name-separator character, represented as a string for convenience. This string contains a single character, namely separatorChar.

Requested by: Abow Conclure • jdk

[steel heart]

it probably use the constants provided by File as its path separator

[forest pecan]

Yeah and that is system-dependent so it should be native

[obtuse gale]

are chunk snapshots cached or something?

[quiet depot]

wtf are you doing

what do you need that separator for

[obtuse gale]

a URI

[quiet depot]

uri should work with /, no?

[forest pecan]

Bit complex issue, but https://github.com/PulseBeat02/MinecraftMediaLibrary/blob/749cb9c3e4cd30c2a26f9677f96f8cac1b19ca92/MinecraftMediaLibrary/src/main/java/com/github/pulsebeat02/minecraftmedialibrary/video/player/VLCJIntegratedPlayer.java#L104

Basically, the issue is passing a path

to the native libraries

cause the path doesnt allow java paths if you know what i mean

it only allows like os specific paths. And I wanted to verify

that the resource being passed in is correct

Because there were some ugly jna issues that were happening

causing this

[obtuse gale]

I know for a fact Paths work well with the system dependent path name separators

[quiet depot]

can't you just do a simple .replace?

[obtuse gale]

that's on File btw

so yes

[forest pecan]

Well yeah it should work i mean

then it's not that

which is causing the issue

[obtuse gale]

... you could have printed the bloody thing all this time

ffs

[forest pecan]

i can't

[obtuse gale]

to debug if it was the cause of the issue or not

how can you not?

[forest pecan]

I'm on my school laptop

lmfao

[obtuse gale]

smh

[old wyvern]

What exactly is the issue then?

[obtuse gale]

classic xy

[forest pecan]

Uh wot?

You can have X then lmao https://github.com/caprica/vlcj/issues/1062

[quiet depot]

o yugi

glad you're here

what gpu do you hvae?

[forest pecan]

Did you try replace the Java-convention forward-slashes with the native convention backward slashes?
/shrug

[old wyvern]

gtx 1070

[quiet depot]

pre warning, nvidia and linux is questionable and will require a reasonable amount of tinkering

if you're switching to linux though I imagine you're already familiar (and an advocate of) tinkering

[old wyvern]

A bit

Ive only used kde neon like you recommended

On a vm

[quiet depot]

and I recommend sticking with that

is this your first time using linux?

apart from on a vm

[old wyvern]

Would manjaro not install nvidea drivers automatically?

[quiet depot]

oh that's not the problem

[old wyvern]

Well kind of

[quiet depot]

the problem is the drivers are eh

there's two sets of drivers for nvidia on linux

[old wyvern]

I've used linux for my vps

[quiet depot]

you've got the open source drivers (noveau) and nvidia's proprietary drivers

[old wyvern]

Apparently manjaro provided a setup for "nonfree" drivers

[quiet depot]

so does ubuntu (kde neon)

[old wyvern]

Oh would anything else need to be done after that?