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old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Java 16 doesnt break urlclassloaders

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Its just the ways to append to preexisting ones are harder

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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yeah i meant that

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Module system breaks a lot of the reflection

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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old wyvern Java 16 doesnt break urlclassloaders

it enforces strong module encapsulation or whatever lol

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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You can probably still hack stuff up with things like MethodHandles.defineClass to define it in the current class loader

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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obtuse gale it enforces strong module encapsulation or whatever lol

mhm

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Yeah java 16 does break a lot of stuff

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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what is MethodHandles?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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d; MethodHandles

ruby craterBOT Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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java.lang.invoke.MethodHandles

public class MethodHandles
extends Object```
MethodHandles has 1 extensions, and  38 methods.

Description:

This class consists exclusively of static methods that operate on or return method handles. They fall into several categories:

Lookup methods which help create method handles for methods and fields.
Combinator methods, which combine or transform pre-existing method handles into new ones.
Other factory methods to create method handles that emulate other common JVM operations or control flow patterns.

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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ah

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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There is a defineClass in there? Tf

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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d; MethodHandles#defineClass

ruby craterBOT Apr 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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java.lang.invoke.MethodHandle#asFixedArity

public MethodHandle asFixedArity()```

Description:

Makes a fixed arity method handle which is otherwise equivalent to the current method handle.

If the current method handle is not of variable arity, the current method handle is returned. This is true even if the current method handle could not be a valid input to asVarargsCollector.

Otherwise, the resulting fixed-arity method handle has the same type and behavior of the current method handle, except that isVarargsCollector will be false. The fixed-arity method handle may (or may not) be the a previous argument to asVarargsCollector.

Here is an example, of a list-making variable arity method handle:

Returns:

a new method handle which accepts only a fixed number of arguments

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Yea

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You need to access it by reflection

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And it imposes a few more restrictions

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 10:57 PM

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And what the hell is that for

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:57 PM

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You must have a lookup instance in the same package as the class being defined

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 10:57 PM

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🥶

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nightmares

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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You could throw in a placeholder class in every package you want to create a class in and use those for the lookup instance ig xD

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Ew

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Works tho

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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yea no

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if people see that

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they're gonna fucking kill me

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lmao

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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That was the replacement after removing Unsafe.defineClass in Java 9

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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forest pecan if people see that

It wouldnt exist in source

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You could probably use something to generate it at compile

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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hmm

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yea

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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But at that point you might as well just use your own classloader

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xD

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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mhm

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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But does that actually work, considering your code is still foreign?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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yes

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It does

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I tested it a lot

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

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the jarinjar technique luck uses

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Tried to get diff packages to load

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

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is an example

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

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But only same ones do

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

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I wonder how many things are pretty much irrevokably broken now

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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forest pecan the jarinjar technique luck uses

Doesnt luck just use his own classloader to load all the jars up?

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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lunar cypress I wonder how many things are pretty much irrevokably broken now

I mean ever since Java 9 it was pretty much foreshadowed..

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Sure, warnings and all

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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I mean Im sure people are still going to find workarounds

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With given time

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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There isn't even a flag to disable this is there

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Yea they wanted Java to be a "Secure" language

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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old wyvern Doesnt luck just use his own classloader to load all the jars up?

Yeah

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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old wyvern Yea they wanted Java to be a "Secure" language

Jokes on you Oracle! If it was actually secure reflection wouldn't exist!

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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xD

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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This isn't secure though if you can just make an own class in a package

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Pepega

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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lol

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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At least not that part

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Its still requires a class to already be in that package so ig the point is to not create new packages or something

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idek

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xD

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Also agents still work right?

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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old wyvern Its still requires a class to already be in that package so ig the point is to n...

So, again, is it possible as foreign code, yes or no?

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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old wyvern Also agents still work right?

yes

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they do

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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lunar cypress So, again, is it possible as foreign code, yes or no?

yup 💀

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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but require like a boostrap class

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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How are agents going to solve this

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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let me send a link

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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They can load classes into the current classloader right?

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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What

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They can intercept classloading

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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https://stackoverflow.com/a/63892/15153508

Stack Overflow

How to load JAR files dynamically at Runtime?

Why is it so hard to do this in Java? If you want to have any kind of module system you need to be able to load JAR files dynamically. I'm told there's a way of doing it by writing your own ClassLo...

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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But this is part of the module system, I don't think they can mangle with that

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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wait

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not that one

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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hmm

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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https://stackoverflow.com/a/46457506/15153508

Stack Overflow

How to load JAR files dynamically at Runtime?

Why is it so hard to do this in Java? If you want to have any kind of module system you need to be able to load JAR files dynamically. I'm told there's a way of doing it by writing your own ClassLo...

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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I mean its not like you cant load things dynamically at all

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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stackoverflow made the wrong link

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smh

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Like agents won't allow you to export a package at runtime

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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The issue is you just need to create your own extended urlclassloader and use that

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Cant append to the application class loader

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:07 PM

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lunar cypress Like agents won't allow you to export a package at runtime

I see

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:07 PM

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forest pecan https://stackoverflow.com/a/46457506/15153508

This is only specifically for URLClassLoader though, the issue is much bigger

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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hm yeah

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Wait

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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in conclusion: java sucks

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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That just seems to append to the system classloader

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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I'll just wait until C++23 is out and I get compile-time reflection 🙂

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Wouldnt the actual classloader not matter in that case as long as you delegate upwards

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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obtuse gale I'll just wait until C++23 is out and I get compile-time reflection 🙂

screw reflection

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Take on haskell

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Enjoy

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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obtuse gale in conclusion: java sucks

At least it has specified primitive defaults. Poor C

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Poor C when?

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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old wyvern Wouldnt the actual classloader not matter in that case as long as you delegate u...

What i'm saying is, url class loader by far isn't the only thing affected by this

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Oh ok

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Or class loading in general

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Hey how big is that int? Could be 4 bytes, maybe 6, maybe 3

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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cinder flare Hey how big is that int? Could be 4 bytes, maybe 6, maybe 3

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lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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sizeof int

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I guessed it!!!

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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dammit!!!

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https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-face-palm-iron-man-rdj-why-gif-10994785

Tenor

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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imagine if someone made a dynamic numerical primitive

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like it only uses the number of bits it needs to use

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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numeiaaroirical

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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BigInteger but primitive??

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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what is the keybind to change language in windows?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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cinder flare BigInteger but primitive??

😮

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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lol

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Let me introduce you to the haskell Integer type

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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BigInteger.MAX_VALUE

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xD

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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why do I ask here as well? Whe theres google ...

lunar cypress Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Let me introduce python's int

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Lets not

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🥲

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Someone make a patch for BigInteger.MAX_VALUE

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Now stop right there at the word python

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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forest pecan Someone make a patch for BigInteger.MAX_VALUE

BigBoi.MAX

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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lol

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Yugi.MAX_COCK_LENGTH

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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forest pecan Someone make a patch for BigInteger.MAX_VALUE

Zip bombs? Never heard of em

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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= 1 inch

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Same

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-buzz-lightyear-toy-fly-to-infinity-and-beyond-gif-17474152

Tenor

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Yugi are you telling me you are getting a boner now?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Uhm no

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xD

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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I mean with your pfp 👀👀👀

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Yeah

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he drools on his own pfp

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Nah I meant yours

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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lmao

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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Traitor

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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Anime chick pulse

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/tU4tXcu.png I bet its Guyanese Dollar

Imgur

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/saving-dababy-dababy-in-minecraft-minecraft-diamonds-dababy-gif-20783229

Tenor

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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MeLee

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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forest pecan https://tenor.com/view/saving-dababy-dababy-in-minecraft-minecraft-diamonds-daba...

Oh god

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hes everywhere

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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static zealot https://i.imgur.com/tU4tXcu.png I bet its Guyanese Dollar

Peruvian Huevos

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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its beautiful

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Clash?

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:16 PM

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i have to do hw and i have a bedwars tournament

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🥲

sweet cipher Apr 13, 2021, 11:16 PM

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for this budget, the description is really small
#827055634586271775 message

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:16 PM

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He just needs a minecraft website

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:16 PM

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bedwars tournament wut

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:16 PM

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What more is there to know

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Damn

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Rich boi

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Rich hickey

sweet cipher Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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cinder flare He just needs a minecraft website

minecraft.net, wheres my $9,000?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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sweet cipher minecraft.net, wheres my $9,000?

In your debt balance

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Guyanese Dollar I'm telling you

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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tf is guyanese dollar?

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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also my keyboard keeps switching to fucking romanian. Wtf is this shit

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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old wyvern tf is guyanese dollar?

9000 is about 45 USD

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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oh

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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lmao

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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lmao

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Oh guys guess what I got $112 stimulus from my uni

forest pecan Apr 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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omg so cool

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Right

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All my debts are resolved

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

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xD

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

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112 that you'll gift to me? Thank you so much

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Bro I don't even have it

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

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I'll invest them in stocks and then make you rich

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

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They just said they did but I don't have a linked bank account

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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nice

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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Also why would I buy Adderall lmao

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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to keep yourself to the max 👀

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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I don't think I want to be to the max

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Minimum is just fine

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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yeah that's what you think when you don't play with high sensitivity

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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High sens and Adderall does not seem like a good combination lmao

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Oh I got mailed an offer for Android dev

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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:o

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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Altho idk where tf they even see that I even use android

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None of my android projects are public

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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Kotlin go brrrrr

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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They just knew

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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lmao

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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xD

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sus

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real sus

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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old wyvern

Kotlin

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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must be someone from google that forgot about the privacy policy

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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My git* has more Java/JS than kotlin afaik

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:22 PM

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obtuse gale must be someone from google that forgot about the privacy policy

xD

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Google? Microsoft owns github lmao

obtuse gale Apr 13, 2021, 11:22 PM

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I know lol

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anyway i'mma take a shower

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wanna join?

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Yeah actually I'm gonna too

frail glade Apr 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Sir, this is a Wendy's.

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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I've been laying in bed procrastinating

ocean quartz Apr 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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cinder flare I've been laying in bed procrastinating

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Heh heh heh, classic

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old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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cinder flare I've been laying in bed procrastinating

I really want to do that

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But my phone only has 11% charge

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Waiting for it to get to like 50

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So I can atleast watch a movie

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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You don't have a charger that goes to your bed?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Nah

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Its near my laptop

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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10 foot charger gang, cost me like $8

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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lmao

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Yo @ocean quartz one more question before you go to sleep. Is there a way to clear all the items in a PaginatedGui? Since I have that schedule that reads the items so basically the menu updates but what it does instead of just setting them over the old ones, it just makes new pages so I just have duplicates

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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I just realized

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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is android dev worth learning?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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my pins require only 1 more language to be completely 6 different languages

ocean quartz Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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static zealot Yo <@!180369172046413824> one more question before you go to sleep. Is there a ...

Not right now, you'll have to remove them i think

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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distant sun is android dev worth learning?

Yea its nice

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My internship rn is as an android dev

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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distant sun is android dev worth learning?

I mean if you already know kotlin is pretty easy

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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ocean quartz Not right now, you'll have to remove them i think

Oh shit. Alright. Yeah searched thru the methods but couldn't find anything related

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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cinder flare I mean if you already know kotlin is pretty easy

Kind of

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xD

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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this will really suck

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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The framework is a bit scuffed

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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that's the thing, when I first wanted to try android dev all tutorials were in kotlin =/

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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For good reason wdym

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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didnt said it was a bad thing

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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yea oracle/sun sued google for using their libs initially

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so they did a major switcharoo

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Not sun, just oracle

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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I think it was sun

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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bruh what

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Or it was oracle?

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Oh I wonder if I use PaginatedGui#getInventory#removeAll

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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damn

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Oracle bad company

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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sounds stupid lol

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Sun good

ocean quartz Apr 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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That'll remove them from the inventory but not from the gui

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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distant sun sounds stupid lol

yea google won like a week ago

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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distant sun sounds stupid lol

Yeah they finally lost in the supreme court

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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so google just used java for android and god sued or?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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yea that

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The basic libraries

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stdlib

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Coz android isnt even a jvm

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Essentially they got sued for using the api, but the supreme court ruled that apis are free to use for everyone which protects like all programming ever

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

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it compiles the jvm bytecode to android runtime bytecode

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

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@static zealot ((Map<Integer, GuiItem>)PaginatedGui.class.getDeclaredField("guiItems")).clear()

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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I was just about to try PaginatedGui#getGuiItems#clear

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Would that not just clear your map you just made

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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pretty sure that returns an immutable copy of the actual map

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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cinder flare Essentially they got sued for using the api, but the supreme court ruled that ap...

oh that's nice

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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The issue was then including it in the sdk I think

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adk contains mostly jdk classes

ocean quartz Apr 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Nah it's currently not immutable, but it'll

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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lol ok matt

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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with a few android alternatives to some of those classes

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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is there a list of projects for beginners to do on android?

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like I want to try it but idk what to do

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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The official website has an intensive guide

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https://developer.android.com/courses

Android Developers

Training Courses | Android Developers

Find the training option that's right for you.

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Yeah what's piggys challenges for Android lol

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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They have enough challenges in those I think

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Certification and degree programs
Nice

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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a few basic apps

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Check the first 2 ones @distant sun

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The beginner ones

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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yea js

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pls tell me I dont have to use xml for ui

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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A bit

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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😭

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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The view editor handles most things

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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distant sun pls tell me I dont have to use xml for ui

its not that hard gab

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Its actually really simple to use

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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it is horrible yug

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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You have used html right?

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It only seems horrible at first

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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and why do people - esp from india - call me gab 🤣

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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You also have Jetpack Compose as an alternative

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but i suggest you use the xml first

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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distant sun and why do people - esp from india - call me gab 🤣

gaby seems weird to say

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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idk I cant get my head around the xml android uses

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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distant sun idk I cant get my head around the xml android uses

try it once

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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old wyvern You have used html right?

yeah

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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Apply the same logic you would use there

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You have tags and tag properties

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Having a tag inside another tag makes it a child

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diff layouts provide diff ways to position children

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Most used ones being: ConstraintView, RelativeView, RecyclerView...ect...

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ConstraintView is made to work perfectly with the editor

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So you wont even need to work with xml directly with that

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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ok it doesn't sound that bad

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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mhm

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:39 PM

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what do you do in android?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Well currently I just dev a few apps for a company

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I and another dude, its a team of 2

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:39 PM

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a few apps ok

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Im not allowed to say gab

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agreement

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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is not that

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"Basic shit you know, yesterday I built a rocket"

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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old wyvern I and another dude, its a team of 2

That was such a weird sentence, I had to stop and think for a sec

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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lol

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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distant sun "Basic shit you know, yesterday I built a rocket"

huh? xD

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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ignore me it is 3am

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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I just said that because Im not supposed to be too specific

cinder flare Apr 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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I really don't think android development is like rocket science haha

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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mhm

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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I mean most apps are like websites made for phones

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Take as example an app like amazon

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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you can actually do that

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with android

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host a web page as an ap

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p

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:42 PM

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A lot of them are actually a web app

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Like with react native

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Flutter does the same I think

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They are cross platform

onyx loom Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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i feel so proud for this sentence but
elara/web-app

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ez

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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said no1 ever

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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onyx loom i feel so proud for this sentence but elara/web-app

😍

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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distant sun said no1 ever

lmao

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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onyx loom i feel so proud for this sentence but elara/web-app

https://tenor.com/view/who-tf-asked-nasas-radar-dish-who-asked-nobody-asked-gif-17675657

Tenor

onyx loom Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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distant sun said no1 ever

would u like to retract ur statement

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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nah

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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distant sun said no1 ever

https://tenor.com/view/alestorm-dean-carlyhu-deanlore-pirateship-gif-20792841

Tenor

onyx loom Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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😠

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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well I guess no updated items for now

sweet cipher Apr 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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@forest pecan I made it work, I am just iterating the recipes right now, want me to show you the messy code I did lol?

old wyvern Apr 13, 2021, 11:49 PM

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Oh shit

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😂

static zealot Apr 13, 2021, 11:50 PM

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oh what a plot twist

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wait I didn't actually know this https://i.imgur.com/NbLp9ut.png

Imgur

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:53 PM

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How's life noob @onyx loom

onyx loom Apr 13, 2021, 11:57 PM

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bad

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some guy called me a noob 😭

distant sun Apr 13, 2021, 11:58 PM

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He's probably right

oak raft Apr 13, 2021, 11:58 PM

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^

onyx loom Apr 13, 2021, 11:59 PM

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pain.

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:00 AM

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sweet cipher <@!347005619825278976> I made it work, I am just iterating the recipes right now...

sure lmao

sweet cipher Apr 14, 2021, 12:02 AM

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Give me a couple minutes

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 12:07 AM

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onyx loom pain.

csgo 1v1 when?

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:10 AM

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So I have 2 methods:
1 Loads a list from a json file, 1 saves the list to the same json file.
The load method is only ran the plugin is enabling.
The save method is ran when the plugin is disabling and every few minutes.

Now my problem is that when the plugin enables and there's a problem, the list will be empty so if the server gets stopped, it will basically delete everything in the file.

What I do right now is, when there is a problem with the loading, I stop the plugin and I tell it not to save by basically using a boolean that becomes true only when I force stop the server.

I was just wondering if this is ok or maybe there's a better way?

sweet cipher Apr 14, 2021, 12:13 AM

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forest pecan sure lmao

I haven't tested a shapeless recipe, but it should work
https://paste.helpch.at/tugiguxege.java

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:13 AM

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that's a big boi

sweet cipher Apr 14, 2021, 12:14 AM

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sweet cipher I haven't tested a shapeless recipe, but it should work https://paste.helpch.at/...

Ignore me making a singleton for no reason too lol

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:15 AM

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does singleton mean just a huge class with everything in it?

sweet cipher Apr 14, 2021, 12:16 AM

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No lol

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That's three classes

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:16 AM

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I actually don't know what it means

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lmao

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time to google

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 12:16 AM

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oak raft csgo 1v1 when?

😐

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why would u wanna do that

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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I can easily beat you now

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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ok sure

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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all these hours of valorant will transfer to csgo and boom

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ez clap

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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if i win u have to buy me a game on steam 😊

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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ok nevermind I'll let you know when I'm ready 😅

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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🥲

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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waiyt

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and if I win

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u gotta buy me reaver vandal

sweet cipher Apr 14, 2021, 12:21 AM

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sweet cipher I haven't tested a shapeless recipe, but it should work https://paste.helpch.at/...

It also probably won’t work with items that have a stack size larger than one

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:25 AM

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static zealot So I have 2 methods: 1 Loads a list from a json file, 1 saves the list to the sa...

I don't fully get the "force stop the server" part.. but I suggest you have an "enabled/loaded" boolean field that initializes as false, then you set to true at the very end of onEnable and then check it in onDisable, if it's false means the plugin didn't start up successfully and you don't save the list to json, if it's true means you do

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:26 AM

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yeah that's basically what I have

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but I also stop the plugin when it doesn't load successfully

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:27 AM

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same principle? the boolean will not be true until the very last stage in onEnable

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:28 AM

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I do that because If I'd just leave it like that and no one would notice, everything that was added to the list during that session won't be saved so I just force them to fix it before letting them load the plugin

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:28 AM

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obtuse gale same principle? the boolean will not be true until the very last stage in onEnab...

Almost same. It will be false by default and it will become true if something has gone wrong. And if something has gone wrong indeed it won't let save to the file and then stop the plugin

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:29 AM

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eh I guess I see it as a "true if the plugin was loaded and enabled successfully" instead of "true if something's fucked up"

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Matt

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 1:54 AM

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So what do you guys think about this for the future mf-gui update:
triumph-gui and triumph-gui-legacy

val gui = GuiBuilder.paginated().title(Component.text("Hey")).rows(6).build()
val legacy = LegacyGuiBuilder.paginated().title("Old hey").rows(6).build()

Same thing would apply to ItemBuilder, where components would be primary and there'd be a legacy version for it
This is the only way i could think so far to support both ways
@frail glade your opinion is important in this one ;p

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 1:56 AM

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wow

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you actually used a builder

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so cool

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Will do on the update, currently it doesn't

frail glade Apr 14, 2021, 1:57 AM

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That seems fine.

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 1:57 AM

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GuiBuilder and GuiBuilder.Legacy fingerguns

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Yeah fuck legacy users

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 1:57 AM

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you get with GuiBuilder#legacy()

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 1:57 AM

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force them to add an extra import

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Well the legacy would need to be separate from the main one though

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Isn't a nested class separate enough?

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 1:59 AM

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The issue is that if I add a nested class people that want to use on let's say 1.12, they would need to have adventure so they could use the legacy one since it'd be in the same class where components are present

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 1:59 AM

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ah

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right

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 2:00 AM

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Yeah big headache because of legacy

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:00 AM

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fuck them dont support it

tacit aurora Apr 14, 2021, 2:00 AM

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can someone take a look at #placeholder-api please 😭

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:01 AM

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its literally been 3 minutes

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you haven't sent any possible info

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or any configs or anything

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how are we supposed to know lmfao

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and also, don't ask in other channels for help.

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be patient

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 2:01 AM

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no, I'm the doctor

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:01 AM

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lol

tacit aurora Apr 14, 2021, 2:02 AM

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i guess you have around 50 people a day like me that are probably that stupid that there is just a one button to turn it on and its common

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:03 AM

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im sorry, but I have no idea

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about placeholder api

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and its not usually one button lmfao

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 2:04 AM

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This is a community-based community support community program where the community (and sometimes others) help out freely on behalf of the community

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Most of us devs can't even help you cause we code yes

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but that doesnt mean

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we know every other plugin in the world

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lol

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 2:06 AM

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Just wait patiently

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Someone, in their free time, will eventually ask for details

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 2:07 AM

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Unexpected exception, build successful

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obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 2:09 AM

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oh gradle

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:26 AM

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switch to ant bois

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 2:29 AM

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❓

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@dusky nimbus ?

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 2:30 AM

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lol?

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 2:30 AM

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#placeholder-api: PlaceholderAPI plugin support
#general-plugins and #general-plugins-2: General plugin support
#development: Coding support
#minecraft General minecraft talk
#dev-general General talk for developers/coders
#off-topic Other talk that doesn't fit to any other categories
#bot-commands Bot commands
#showcase Showcase some work
#827055636109328384 Offer services

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that's.. really all what helpchat is

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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Kinda sus thonking

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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lol

golden quest Apr 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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ocean quartz Kinda sus <:thonking:379541184697204736>

Yea

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Why is abstraction such a headache to do well? 😩

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 2:42 AM

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it isn't

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you suck

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 2:43 AM

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True 😫

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:21 AM

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just make every class abstract

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Thinking about stopping using InventoryHolder, that'd make much easier to abstract since the gui wouldn't need to worry about title or anything only about the Inventory
Though only solution i can think of is a private static map that'll be passed to the event thonking

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 3:22 AM

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tranquil crane just make every class abstract

Gotta try that!

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:22 AM

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md_5 yells at people who use a custom inventoryholder and wants them to just use a map or something instead

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Yeah

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I don't mind using it, but it's making it too complicated since I'd always need to create the inventory inside of the class itself
If I use a map I can make sure that the inventory is created by the builder, so components can be used there

sweet cipher Apr 14, 2021, 3:25 AM

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@forest pecan
I'm not sure what I did...

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:27 AM

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that is a whole lot of dirt

sweet cipher Apr 14, 2021, 3:27 AM

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I agree

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I don't even set any items inside of the crafting inventory, only the result

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:36 AM

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you clearly have over 100 million dirt in the crafting inventory smh

sweet cipher Apr 14, 2021, 3:43 AM

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Every time I clicked the result of the recipe it multiplied lol

stuck kiln Apr 14, 2021, 5:07 AM

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is guilds plugin not apart of this server?

pallid gale Apr 14, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Yeah it is

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If you bought it recently the db might need an update

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cc: @frail glade

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Why so I have a feeling that request paid is cap

stuck kiln Apr 14, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Lol

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 5:09 AM

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The 9k one? Lmao yeah very sus

frail glade Apr 14, 2021, 5:15 AM

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Updated. Off to bed. Night.

stuck kiln Apr 14, 2021, 5:16 AM

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❤️

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 6:27 AM

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@prisma wave genderswapped bm???

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 6:27 AM

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yes

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Too many monads have done strange things to me

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 6:27 AM

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oooh~

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thoughts on using java for csv downloading then uploading

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cause i hate python

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 6:29 AM

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What's the downside of using java

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 6:29 AM

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i mean i dunno

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just wondering if anyone has any suggestions or anything

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 6:30 AM

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I mean

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Python is fine

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But if there's no downsides to using java then use that ig

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 6:30 AM

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oh sick okay

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glad to know I have official approval

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 6:31 AM

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lol

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well if you can't answer the question "why not?" then it's probably fine

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 6:31 AM

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that's a good point, I was just wondering if it was like really hard to do this kind of stuff with java or anything

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cause python is like, the lang for easy file stuff

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 6:34 AM

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python would definitely be easier

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But http stuff in java isn't too tricky

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Especially if you use java 10+ with the new http library

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 6:35 AM

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ah okay

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I don't really know python that well so it would probably honestly be harder

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:01 AM

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prisma wave What's the downside of using java

Verbose af but except that it’s poggers

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 7:02 AM

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new java isn't that bad

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Which version are we talking?

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 7:02 AM

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latest

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 7:02 AM

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like 15 or 16

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Java: Haskell

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Yeah it got better significantly

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 7:03 AM

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records are great, the new switches are cool, var and List.of and stuff are useful

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Wait List.of ?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Yes

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:03 AM

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d;jdk List#of

ruby craterBOT Apr 14, 2021, 7:03 AM

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java.util.List#of

static <E> List<E> of()```

Description:

Returns an unmodifiable list containing zero elements. See Unmodifiable Lists for details.

Returns:

an empty List

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Java 11 addition

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 7:04 AM

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I should probably look at all the new java stuff

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:04 AM

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Well we have Collections#emptyList?

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 7:05 AM

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List.of is vararg

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Or it should be

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Ah explains it

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 7:05 AM

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that's probably just jdk 8 or domsething

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:05 AM

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So basically ImmutableList.of but now in jdk

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 7:05 AM

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yeah

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and good

quiet depot Apr 14, 2021, 7:12 AM

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list.of becomes a vararg after like 10 elements

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 7:13 AM

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Why not sooner tho

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:13 AM

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Optimizations probably

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Fair enough

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I see mobile discord broke reactions somewhat

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 7:40 AM

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damn the switch expression in java 14 is kinda cute

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 7:42 AM

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once they add proper pattern matching it will be even better

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 7:43 AM

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i really wanna learn haskell but i get bored too quickly ugh

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is ZGC good for minecraft servers?

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:51 AM

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think aikar said its somewhat unstable but not certain

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 7:51 AM

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huh cause it sounds pretty good on the changelog pages lol

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:53 AM

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hmm I think he mentioned how it could eat lots of memory if it needed without any concerns but I can't really recall since it was some months ago since he spoke of it in the spigot discord

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 7:53 AM

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ah okay. just excited for the future of java!

steel heart Apr 14, 2021, 7:53 AM

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yeah same lol

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 8:06 AM

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cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 8:35 AM

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im happy I got a cameo in Frosty's screenshot :)

distant sun Apr 14, 2021, 8:40 AM

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prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 9:15 AM

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cinder flare i really wanna learn haskell but i get bored too quickly ugh

Dew it

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Haskell is not boring

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 9:50 AM

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github down for anyone else? edit: It's back that was odd.

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 11:01 AM

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there's no github licenses to stop things being used in private? thonking

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:02 AM

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Whats the point of that

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 11:03 AM

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A certain user has used the pmines plugin me and bm made and took full credit for it so I want to stop people doing that.

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:03 AM

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A lot of licenses deny redistribution

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That might be what you want

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:04 AM

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he doesn't have a license on it yet lmao

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:04 AM

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https://choosealicense.com/licenses/gpl-3.0/

Choose a License

GNU General Public License v3.0

Permissions of this strong copyleft license are conditioned on making available complete source code of licensed works and modifications, which include larger works using a licensed work, under the same license. Copyright and license notices must be preserved. Contributors provide an express grant of patent rights.

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:04 AM

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ugh I hate GPL 3

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 11:04 AM

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cinder flare he doesn't have a license on it yet lmao

I mean neither me or BM expected someone to straight up take the code.

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Who did?

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:05 AM

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apparently he doesn't know lol

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a mystery man

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:05 AM

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oh

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lol

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 11:06 AM

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Gabileti

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I was told by the manager of the server who was doing it.

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:06 AM

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Ah

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Is he being paid for the whole project?

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Or just for modifications

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 11:06 AM

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It was all done behind my back you see.

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I think just modifications.

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:06 AM

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Then whats the issue

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:07 AM

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oh he's modifying it?

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you said it was flat out reselling

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 11:07 AM

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?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:07 AM

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^

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 11:07 AM

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I didn't, did i?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:07 AM

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If you open sourced something you do expect other people to use modified versions

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pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 11:07 AM

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old wyvern If you open sourced something you do expect other people to use modified version...

but not privately.

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:07 AM

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yes privately?

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A lot of people do that

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:08 AM

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yeah what?

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that's impossible to enforce

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:08 AM

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Very common

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As long as he isnt selling the whole thing as his own work, he aint doing anything bad

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:08 AM

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yeah there are people who get paid to add hex support to deluxechat before it's officially added lmao

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:09 AM

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mhm

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 11:09 AM

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pale shell but not privately.

It happens with a lot of plugins, including glare's ones like Guilds or VoteParty.

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:10 AM

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i mean that's just the FOSS experience

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 11:10 AM

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I mean Glare is smart and just makes the changes for those people for money lmao

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:10 AM

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xD

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:10 AM

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if anything, it's good. maybe you'll get wind of the changes and implement them yourself yeah

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Yo java is backwards compatible right? So If I move my dedi to java 11 all my java 8 plugins should still work? Or at least most of them? xD

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:48 AM

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JDK's are backwards compatible, JRE's are forwards compatible

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so if you have like java 15 installed on your dedi, any plugin compiled for versions before and including java 15 should work

spring canyon Apr 14, 2021, 11:53 AM

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Including Java 15 obviously

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:54 AM

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cinder flare JDK's are backwards compatible, JRE's are forwards compatible

Isnt it the reverse?

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:55 AM

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nope

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:55 AM

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huh

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:55 AM

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JDK 15 installed on my machine can run anything below it

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:55 AM

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yes

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But

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JRE runs it

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JRE is backwards compatible

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:55 AM

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something complied for JRE 8 can run on my JDK 15

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:55 AM

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JDK is forwards compatible as things compiled for older versions can run on newer versions

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:56 AM

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well I guess it's not really JRE vs JDK, more version you have vs compile target

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 11:56 AM

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4692626/is-jdk-upward-or-backward-compatible#:~:text=The compiler is not backwards,the -target 1.4 flag).&text=JDK's%20are%20(usually)%20forward%20compatible,are%20(usually)%20backward%20compatible.

Stack Overflow

Is JDK "upward" or "backward" compatible?

Backward binary compatibility (or downward compatibility) - an ability of clients built with an old version of library API to run on a new one (wiki).

Upward binary compatibility (or forward

cinder flare Apr 14, 2021, 11:56 AM

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the compile target just has to be less than or equal to the version you have installed

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now we're getting into pedantry lmao

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:00 PM

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so basically the answer is yes, they will work?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 12:00 PM

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Yes

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:01 PM

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kk. ty

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 12:01 PM

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Some things might break due to the module changes, not really sure

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:01 PM

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well now to find how to update

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 12:01 PM

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Depends on what the plugins do ig

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 12:29 PM

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onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 12:32 PM

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indian guy on youtube lmao

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thonking

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 12:33 PM

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Well yes, don't tell me you don't watch indian dudes code on yt

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 12:34 PM

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im sorry sir, but i excel in my coding abilities, thus i do not have to rely on "indian dudes code on yt", nor "luck"

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 12:34 PM

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Heh, and then you wake up

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 12:35 PM

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😭

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 12:36 PM

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Ngl, I've actually made a fair few plugins recently, in a way that I've made the entire plugin without testing just structuring it in my head and then making it, and most actually worked properly, some needed some fixes tho cause I'm dumb

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 12:39 PM

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hot hull Well yes, don't tell me you don't watch indian dudes code on yt

Those are the worst

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 12:40 PM

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Only person I watch code is Sebastian

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 12:40 PM

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I try to prefer some short courses instead of such yt videos

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 12:43 PM

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Only tutorial I've watched was from Tim Buchalka or whatever the dudes surname is

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:53 PM

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From a scale of 1-10 how cursed is this:

#

Screen_Shot_2021-04-14_at_8.53.22_AM.png

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builder within builder

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🥲

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:54 PM

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discord embeds are not loading for me.

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is it just for me?

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:54 PM

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ew don't make us use new on builders

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Whatever.builder()

prime crest Apr 14, 2021, 12:54 PM

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guys can someone pls help me with send me a manhunt script and a script too do so if i break leaf in minecraft I get random item

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:54 PM

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static builders are better

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lol

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:54 PM

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make the method static then?

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but new on builders 🤮

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

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It's a class lmfao

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

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prime crest guys can someone pls help me with send me a manhunt script and a script too do s...

script?

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

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make it... return... a new.. builder?

prime crest Apr 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

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half harness script?

Ues for Plugin

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Yes*

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

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ah

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empty builder

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ic

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

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what?

prime crest Apr 14, 2021, 12:56 PM

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I need a script so i can make a manhunt with a twist u see

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:56 PM

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builder() will return an instance of the builder class

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in the main class

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but it is empty

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:56 PM

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this is what I'm saying

class Whatever {
  public static Builder builder() {
    return new Builder();
  }

  public static class Builder {
    private Builder() { }
  }
}

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:57 PM

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builder() will return an instance of the builder class

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 12:57 PM

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yah but make the ctor private ;p

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:57 PM

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k

prime crest Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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Pulse

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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?

prime crest Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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can u help me with a plugin i am currently making

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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prime crest can u help me with a plugin i am currently making

#827055635052888075 / #827055634586271775

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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?help

compact perchBOT Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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FAQ Answer:

» Give the helpers some details
» Ask suitable questions
» Be polite
» Wait

Source

prime crest Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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Ok

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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or if you actually need help

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then ask in #development

prime crest Apr 14, 2021, 12:58 PM

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k

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 1:08 PM

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#development message

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 1:14 PM

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I can't find a will to live either yet here I am

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@vagrant token How are plugin configurations plugin dev? I confusion

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 1:23 PM

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oof

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lol

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 1:29 PM

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hot hull <@!424246678753771542> How are plugin configurations plugin dev? I confusion

have u not saw the new update patch notes?

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 1:30 PM

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for?

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 1:34 PM

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lol dude used the format for request-paid in offer-services

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 1:34 PM

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hot hull for?

in version 2.5.9, plugin devs are now configurators 🌚

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 1:34 PM

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even put a budget in

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 1:34 PM

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Who wants to link me some useful Rust stuff

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efe, you're an idot

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 1:34 PM

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lol use maven noob

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 1:34 PM

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rust-lang.org

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 1:35 PM

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Just alt f4 IJ

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and reopen

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 1:35 PM

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No need to shout.

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 1:35 PM

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Are you stupid or just dumb

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 1:35 PM

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onyx loom in version 2.5.9, plugin devs are now configurators 🌚

2.5.9 ? what is that MF GUI version?

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 1:35 PM

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Stop being an idiot when someone offers a solution

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Yes lmao, kill the program, and let it run again

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 1:36 PM

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it is a good solution lmao

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 1:36 PM

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You say it's been stuck for 30min so why wouldn't you do that lol

#

close the projects, clear .idea folder

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bruh

#

closing the program is usually a completely optimal solution

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 1:37 PM

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maybe its the bad connotations of alt f4

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if u said close program, maybe thats helpful instead 🌚

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 1:38 PM

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open program manager, and kill the program

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 1:50 PM

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delete the project

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 1:50 PM

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are you sure your code isn't just wrong?

#

lol

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 1:51 PM

#

🌚

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 1:55 PM

#

https://youtu.be/kt0bfw4YkFk

YouTube

Fireship

TODO: Write Good Code Comments #Shorts

The best comments explain WHY your code exists, not what it does

#code #comedy #shorts

Inspiration: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/184618/what-is-the-best-comment-in-source-code-you-have-ever-encountered

▶ Play video

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 1:59 PM

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gpl or mit

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 2:01 PM

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what for?

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 2:02 PM

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plugin

#

ima just do mit

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 2:02 PM

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privatemines?

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yeah mit in this case

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 2:03 PM

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👌

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and yea

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:07 PM

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mit superior

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for some damn reason

#

when i code in kotlin

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i keep typing def

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for methods

#

python flashbacks

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 2:16 PM

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🥶

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 2:16 PM

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😬

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 2:18 PM

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forest pecan i keep typing `def`

scala gang?

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:23 PM

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lmfao

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I can use IJ for rust right?

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 2:49 PM

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iirc there is a plugin yeah

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 2:49 PM

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¸Indeed there is

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 2:52 PM

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CLion is more apt I think

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 2:53 PM

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I see, time to download

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 2:53 PM

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CLion for haskell

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 2:53 PM

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I will slap you

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Ok

#

Go on

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Go on

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 2:55 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/please-daddy-heart-hayley-marshall-the-vampire-diaries-gif-15749221

Tenor

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:55 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/back-slap-backhand-funny-animals-penguin-slap-gif-11724800

Tenor

#

that penguin just destroyed him

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 2:55 PM

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xD

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

absolutely destroyed

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 2:55 PM

#

old wyvern https://tenor.com/view/please-daddy-heart-hayley-marshall-the-vampire-diaries-gi...

yikes

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 2:56 PM

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does kotlin have tenary operator or whatever its called?

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 2:57 PM

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return if else

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:kek:

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 2:57 PM

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yeah that's what I use xD

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 2:58 PM

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7 more times

#

ooh, ngl I kinda like CLion's opening screen

#

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:59 PM

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lmao jetbrains just chooses a different opening theme for each update

#

its intruiging

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 2:59 PM

#

Can I import IJ's theme to clion?

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I think?

#

Not sure though

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 2:59 PM

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it's ew though

#

just like the others

#

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/731716941022101627/830651453411950652/unknown.png

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:00 PM

#

hot hull Can I import IJ's theme to clion?

Yes

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:00 PM

#

obtuse gale https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/731716941022101627/830651453411950652/u...

🤮

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:00 PM

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That's even worse than IJ Fefo

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 3:00 PM

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that's what he said

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:01 PM

#

static zealot that's what he said

😳

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 3:01 PM

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fefo that is digusting wtf

#

jetbrains needs to fix up

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 3:02 PM

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yeah i'mma sue them

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 3:02 PM

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please do

#

for everyones sake

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

What..

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

🌚

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

yeah Frosty questioned him too but didn't receive an answer

#

well at least I didn't see one

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:03 PM

#

lol

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 3:03 PM

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people saying they are developers by knowing about configuration files

#

smh

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 3:04 PM

#

?

#

yaml takes a lot of skill wdym

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 3:04 PM

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lmao

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:05 PM

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@old wyvern gimme link to download Cargo

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:07 PM

#

https://win.rustup.rs/

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:08 PM

#

ty

jovial warren Apr 14, 2021, 3:12 PM

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obtuse gale it's ew though

I respect your wrong opinion

#

🙂

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 3:12 PM

#

yeah k bye bardy

jovial warren Apr 14, 2021, 3:12 PM

#

the new splash screen is actually awesome

#

I love the patterns

#

they're really cool

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 3:13 PM

#

HaskStorm splash screen is the best

jovial warren Apr 14, 2021, 3:13 PM

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lol

#

that just doesn't go

#

I think HaskLion would be a better name

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:13 PM

#

prisma wave HaskStorm splash screen is the best

Dude

#

actually

#

what if

#

Time to fork ij ?

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 3:14 PM

#

😮

jovial warren Apr 14, 2021, 3:14 PM

#

I knew you were gonna say that

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 3:14 PM

#

Side project number 35?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Yes!

#

Holy shit

#

xD

#

So many projects queued up

#

none being done

#

god dammit

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 3:18 PM

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old wyvern none being done

hire a ghost worker

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:19 PM

#

old wyvern So many projects queued up

only 2 here luckily, :p

#

aaaaa

#

it burns

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 3:20 PM

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BRIGHTTTTT

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 3:20 PM

#

lmao

#

restart it

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:21 PM

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gotta import my IJ theme

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 3:21 PM

#

ok so i got https://i.imgur.com/npCBKXy.png
but it posts https://i.imgur.com/WbMuQSX.png 2 %'s why?!

Imgur

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 3:22 PM

#

you are using ints

#

meaning no decimals

#

use doubles

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 3:22 PM

#

I mean it does the decimals thonking

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:22 PM

#

you what

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 3:23 PM

#

pale shell ok so i got https://i.imgur.com/npCBKXy.png but it posts https://i.imgur.com/Wb...

I mean you put the extra % yourself?

#

it's in both the format and the sendMessage

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 3:23 PM

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hot hull gotta import my IJ theme

there's barely any benefit to using CLion exclusively for Rust

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 3:23 PM

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i did? thonking

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 3:23 PM

#

yes

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 3:23 PM

#

oh ye.

#

smh

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:23 PM

#

Remove the % sign from the decimal format, change the type of percent to double, and change the 100 to 100.0

#

that should do it

obtuse gale Apr 14, 2021, 3:24 PM

#

aah yes

#

windows wants to restart while I'm on zoom

#

amazing

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 3:24 PM

#

just disable all that shit

#

like I did

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:24 PM

#

you must feed microsoft with restarts

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 3:24 PM

#

most windows processes are disabled xD

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 3:25 PM

#

atleast i get to blame bm for these errors

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:25 PM

#

It's always bm's fault anyway

pale shell Apr 14, 2021, 3:25 PM

#

he coded it at the start so

#

zoom must be raking it in just thinking about it

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:32 PM

#

Help, I stuck

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:32 PM

#

pale shell hire a ghost worker

🥲

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:33 PM

#

¸Help Yugi

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:34 PM

#

?

#

What did you try running?

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:34 PM

#

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 3:35 PM

#

poggers?

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 3:36 PM

#

Now time to spend hours on the docs trying to understand it Frosty

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:36 PM

#

https://www.jaacostan.com/2019/12/rust-error-linker-linkexe-not-found.html#:~:text=While compiling Rust program in,build tools in your machine.&text=Once everything is successfully installed,and it will compile successfully.

RUST error: linker `link.exe` not found

link.exe problem on Windows 10,
link.exe not found,
RUST error link.exe not found,
intellijIDEA RUST link.exe error,
link.exe,
RUST installation,
Unable to compile Rust hello world on Windows: linker link.exe not found,

#

Have you installed c++ build tools?

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:36 PM

#

Why is the println function so excited

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 3:37 PM

#

Rust is very excited

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:37 PM

#

macro

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:38 PM

#

I've read all the feature summary docs for rust but haven't ever used it and probably don't remember too much of it :L

#

off to find out what macros do again

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 3:38 PM

#

They do what macros do in all languages

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 3:39 PM

#

I tried it once, suffered for hours trying to do something simple 🥲

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 3:39 PM

#

Yeah thats rust

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:39 PM

#

alright so the syntax for defining macros is disgusting

#

using them looks neat though

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 3:40 PM

#

macros_do_not_rule!

distant sun Apr 14, 2021, 3:40 PM

#

What is a macro?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:40 PM

#

Does stuff at compile time

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 3:40 PM

#

code that writes more code

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:40 PM

#

old wyvern Have you installed c++ build tools?

That'll be a no

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 3:40 PM

#

Functions that return code that replaces your code at compile time

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 3:40 PM

#

hot hull That'll be a no

Yea seems you need that

#

You're probably better off asking matt for help with this

#

I've never used rust

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 3:41 PM

#

The error should tell you when no compiler can be found

#

No error when running rustup?

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:42 PM

#

The installer said I needed c++ build tools, but as bright I am I didn't read shit and just entered everything so fingerguns

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 3:42 PM

#

Yeah there's your problem

#

Get the visual studio installer and install those

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:42 PM

#

Yeye already on it

#

I can add rust to my resume now right?

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 3:50 PM

#

Is there no way to set the amount of decimals for a Double in kotlin?

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 3:50 PM

#

hot hull I can add rust to my resume now right?

yes

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:51 PM

#

DecimalFormat

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 3:53 PM

#

so many ways

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:54 PM

#

Now to figure out how to make a display etc in rust

#

I presume there's some nice libs which will make my life easier

distant sun Apr 14, 2021, 3:54 PM

#

Why rust

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:55 PM

#

Because

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 3:55 PM

#

Oxidation

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:55 PM

#

Don't you dare say java

distant sun Apr 14, 2021, 3:55 PM

#

Not rust

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 3:55 PM

#

Why not rust

#

it compiles to everything so that's perfect for this application

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 3:55 PM

#

compiles to elara yes

distant sun Apr 14, 2021, 3:56 PM

#

Meh

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 4:05 PM

#

tranquil crane It's always bm's fault anyway

HEY what

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 4:06 PM

#

hot hull it compiles to everything so that's perfect for this application

Rust is perfect for every application

tranquil crane Apr 14, 2021, 4:08 PM

#

fingerguns

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:08 PM

#

idk why gaby doesn't like rust

#

It's fast correct?

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 4:09 PM

#

Delightfully fast

#

Pretty much as fast as C

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:13 PM

#

rust is perfect for every application when you're on adderall

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 4:15 PM

#

😳

static zealot Apr 14, 2021, 4:25 PM

#

does anyone know where I can find a full tutorial on github markdown?

#

Is this all there is? https://guides.github.com/features/mastering-markdown/#GitHub-flavored-markdown

#

oh found this nvm https://docs.github.com/en/github/writing-on-github/basic-writing-and-formatting-syntax

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:31 PM

#

lunar cypress rust is perfect for every application when you're on adderall

😌

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:32 PM

#

I mean syntax doesn't look so different

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:32 PM

#

hot hull it compiles to everything so that's perfect for this application

Does it compile to the jvm? 😮

#

Does windows terminal have a in-terminal text editor like vim?

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:34 PM

#

I mean syntax doesn't look so different
My man is in for a ride

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 4:34 PM

#

old wyvern Does windows terminal have a in-terminal text editor like vim?

notepad.exe filename

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

It's got a css vibe

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

🥲

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

hot hull It's got a css vibe

wot

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

gtk::{

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

hot hull It's got a css vibe

tf

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

There's no built in terminal editor, no

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

rip

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

There used to be

#

And now there's barely any that runs on windows

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

#

Isnt it very new already?

#

Why did they remove it so soon?

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:36 PM

#

Lmao that's fucking bs kek, you need to start a trial in order to see the entire code

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:36 PM

#

Windows Terminal doesn't have to do anything with it

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 4:36 PM

#

just WSL bro

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:36 PM

#

I mean windows used to ship with a 16 bit editor

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:36 PM

#

prisma wave just WSL bro

Yeah pretty much

#

bash -c "vim filename" is your best option

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 4:37 PM

#

Alternatively don't use Windows

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:40 PM

#

Not much of an option

#

btw, does unreal not work properly on linux?

#

Some guy said so in his game presentation

#

like in my class day before yesterday

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

Probably not tbh

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

rip

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

ur working with unreal now? thonking

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

No

#

One of my classmates was using it for his game

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:43 PM

#

ah

#

how was it

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:43 PM

#

Pretty good, not complete tho

#

Was only review 1

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:44 PM

#

I see, are you also making a game for the class?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:46 PM

#

Yes

#

Everyone has to

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:46 PM

#

What's the game about 👀

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:47 PM

#

A parkour - escape the room type of game

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:47 PM

#

😮

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 4:47 PM

#

Anyone want to bully me on some changes I am doing to mf-gui?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:47 PM

#

Sure

#

fingerguns

#

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-gonna-cry-spiderman-gif-11392654

Tenor

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:47 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/daceegee-dacg-dababy-less-go-gif-20851407

Tenor

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:49 PM

#

ocean quartz Anyone want to bully me on some changes I am doing to mf-gui?

Gladly

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:50 PM

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What type of game efe?

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:50 PM

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I want to be able to know what the menu looks like before it's even built, thanks

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:50 PM

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use unity fingerguns

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 4:50 PM

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unity in mobile 🤔

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:50 PM

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yeah

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Yes

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Many engines can target mobile

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 4:51 PM

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lol

oak raft Apr 14, 2021, 4:51 PM

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(including unity fingerguns )

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 4:51 PM

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idle game for unity tho 🤔

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Question is whether it's worth

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 4:51 PM

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So I am trying to change away from implementing InventoryHolder, since it'll make my life easier to add components support
My current solution is the following: (don't really like it that much)
So on the BaseGui I'll do:

    @NotNull
    private static final Plugin PLUGIN = JavaPlugin.getProvidingPlugin(BaseGui.class);

    /**
     * Holds all the instances of BaseGui that are currently opened
     * This is to avoid implementing {@link InventoryHolder}
     */
    @NotNull
    private static final Map<Inventory, BaseGui> GUI_HOLDER = new HashMap<>();

    // Registering the listener class
    static {
        Bukkit.getPluginManager().registerEvents(new GuiListener(GUI_HOLDER), PLUGIN);
    }

Then on the GuiListener:

    @NotNull
    private final Map<Inventory, BaseGui> guiHolder;

    public GuiListener(@NotNull final Map<Inventory, BaseGui> guiHolder) {
        this.guiHolder = guiHolder;
    }

This part bothers me a bit 😬
But basically it'd make it simple to check the gui, on open I do GUI_HOLDER.put(inventory, this) then to get on the events guiHolder.get(event.getInventory()) then remove it from the map on close

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Idk what an idle game is so

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 4:51 PM

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cookie clicker type shit i think

lunar cypress Apr 14, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Yeah probably don't need an entire engine for that

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 4:53 PM

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ocean quartz So I am trying to change away from implementing InventoryHolder, since it'll mak...

Forgot to ping, @old wyvern, @hot hull

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Seems really easily prone to breaking/funkiness since bukkit a whore

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As in detecting when to remove the menu

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 4:55 PM

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ocean quartz So I am trying to change away from implementing InventoryHolder, since it'll mak...

Might wanna check what Inventory uses for hashcode before trying that

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Yeah it really is which is why i don't like it
For example I'll need to check if the viewers of the inventory is just 1 or else don't remove it

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 4:57 PM

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old wyvern Might wanna check what Inventory uses for hashcode before trying that

Doesn't seem like it changes anything so the base hashcode

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 4:58 PM

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Otherwise that'd actually be a decent way for handling it ngl

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:00 PM

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ocean quartz Doesn't seem like it changes anything so the base hashcode

ah then it should be fine ig

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Do you think there is any better way of doing this?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:01 PM

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You could keep track of the viewers maybe?

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Would still be practically same way as this

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:02 PM

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hmm

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:06 PM

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I could also store stuff on a WeakHashMap iirc it gets removed from the map by the gc when the reference to the instance is gone, but idk 😩
Might just go with what I have

forest pecan Apr 14, 2021, 5:06 PM

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i never really liked dealing with guis

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they were always ugly

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:06 PM

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Yeah

hot hull Apr 14, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Mine are beautiful

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smexy

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Very smexy

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Imma PR a kotlin dsl

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:11 PM

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Oooh nice

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:38 PM

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how do u make a static factory/builder in kotlin

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companion object?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:39 PM

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builder pattern is obsolete in kotlin

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use named args with defaults instead

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for static factory

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Just an object

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:42 PM

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uh

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can u give small example?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:43 PM

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of usage of object?

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:45 PM

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uhhh

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:45 PM

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What do you want an example of?

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:46 PM

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use named args with defaults instead
this

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:48 PM

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class Human(
   val name: String = "dkim",
   val age: Int = 15,
   val height: Int = 150
)

fun main() {
  val olderDkim = Human(age = 20, height = 170)
}

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:48 PM

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ic

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:48 PM

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Older taller

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:49 PM

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xD

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:49 PM

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lol

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why not a data class?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:49 PM

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just an example

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:49 PM

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when do i make something a data class and when do i not?
like would bukkit Player be a data class? since its holding data? or just classes that hold data that don't have any methods?

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:50 PM

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just classes that hold data that don't have any methodsUssually yea

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Where you would use POJOs

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:50 PM

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"What is POJOs"

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:50 PM

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data classes generate a normal hashcode and tostring implementation with their fields

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:50 PM

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ocean quartz "What is POJOs"

Plain Old Java Objects

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 5:51 PM

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old wyvern ```kt class Human( val name: String = "dkim", val age: Int = 15, val he...

dkim is 15 🤔

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:51 PM

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There dkim you didn't need to ask this time xD

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:51 PM

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ocean quartz There dkim you didn't need to ask this time xD

🙄 🥲

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:51 PM

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xD

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:51 PM

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onyx loom dkim is 15 🤔

no idea

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:51 PM

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so a Player shouldn't be a data class?

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(ignoring the fact that it's an interface)

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:52 PM

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A player should

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:52 PM

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oh

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oh and like managers shoudn't

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okay

ocean quartz Apr 14, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Player, world, inventory, things that hold data

half harness Apr 14, 2021, 5:53 PM

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thx

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BM

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 5:53 PM

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i mean separating data and logic is objectively better

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But sure

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Hello

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Bridget

prisma wave Apr 14, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Bridget here

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:53 PM

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what is a bridget anyway

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Brigid is a Gaelic/Irish female namewut

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An alternate meaning of the name is "exalted one"

onyx loom Apr 14, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Mrs. Bridget Monad

old wyvern Apr 14, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Exalted Mitten