You just can't do arithmetic on them
#dev-general
cinder flare
lunar cypress
...no, you are not.
lunar cypress
You aren't
This isn't specified
Nor is it something that needs to be defined this concretely
cinder flare
okay maybe we're not talking about the same thing
humble silo
If you did that inside a method the value of node wouldnt change though since Java is pass by value, so your not actually changing the memory adress of anything
lunar cypress
Reference variables are just abstract containers for objects as far as the language is concerned
cinder flare
no its not
humble silo
Yes it is lol
cinder flare
only primitives are pass by value
cinder flare
what the fuck
lunar cypress
References are considered values though.
humble silo
as far as i understand it values hold their references i think
or is that not right?
cinder flare
yeah so references are pointers to memory locations, no?
prisma wave
yeah java is pass by value
cinder flare
we literally had an entire fucking 3 weeks about the difference of pass by value and pass by reference in java
okay I guess I don't know anything
lunar cypress
The language specification is not concerned with "memory locations" or anything like that at all, is my point.
humble silo
Ok, Im pretty sure that since java is pass by value each object(interally) also holds their own pointer and when you call a method or something its referenceing the pointer that object has
lunar cypress
Pointers in C are literally physical addresses
prisma wave
java uses with references not pointers
lunar cypress
What reference values are is no concern of Java, the language
humble silo
ya
lunar cypress
Although they do specify them to be pointers to objects
cinder flare
!!!
lunar cypress
But only in a very abstract sense. That spec has nothing to do with C-like-pointers
humble silo
But since Java is pass by value dont objects internally hold something like a C pointer to a memory adress?
cinder flare
are C-like-pointers not the same thing except you can do arithmetic on them?
humble silo
Or is that completely wrong
cinder flare
well you gotta know where things are somehow
hot hull
Y'all stoopid, java doesn't even exist
cinder flare
yeah honestly Java is way too fucking complicated for my taste apparently
let's all just go back to C
humble silo
lol
lunar cypress
Yes
humble silo
I love that, its so simple yet really cool
cinder flare
well yeah but aren't Java pointers just also numbers under the hood?
they just only are changed by the JVM or whatever
lunar cypress
See, there we have the issue. "Under the hood"
cinder flare
well yeah that's what I was talking about?
lunar cypress
I already presumed this was happening
See, you can't really make an argument about what's useful to understand Java, the language, by pointing to implementation detail in the JVM as if they were interchangeable
cinder flare
well my whole point was that it's useful to know how higher level languages work under the hood
humble silo
I would argue it is useful to understand atleast some of the interals though. Or atleast the general idea
humble silo
No one needs to and ofc you would never start a newcomer off with JVM spec stuff but in the long run it could help you
lunar cypress
But this wasn't clear throughout the messages
cinder flare
okay were we talking about completely different things lol
humble silo
Well good convo anyways
cinder flare
yea lol
lunar cypress
But this wasn't clear throughout the messages
Because you equated language-level concepts with JVM-level concepts at some points, for example here
I mean in the language, when you're making a linked list and you do this.node = this.node.next, you are directly modifying pointers
lunar cypress
It's a subtle, but important distinction. happens all the time and it always leads to misunderstandings
humble silo
@cinder flare Whats going on in Room 1 btw
cinder flare
we're judging Bardy's way of speaking lol
humble silo
wow very nice of you lol
lunar cypress
anyway, whenever a discussion about java arises that involves a lot of pedantry (like what exactly is a reference in java, do pointers exist etc etc) it's always worth taking a look at the actual specifications
prisma wave
we're judging Bardy's way of speaking lol
British
ocean quartz
okay got kali running
@onyx loom Why are you running?
obtuse gale
he's a kool kid, Matt
ocean quartz
obtuse gale
He knows jack but hey, he runs kali
onyx loom
<@!280727829493055488> Why are you running?
sorry
prisma wave
okay got kali running
Why are you using kali
unkempt tangle
why not
cinder flare
he's a zoomer
unkempt tangle
cinder flare
who knows kali but not gcc lol
cinder flare
makefile just invokes gcc
unkempt tangle
Who knows that
cinder flare
it's like gradle but shitty and for C
prisma wave
who knows kali but not gcc lol
Exactly lmao
prisma wave
kali is only useful if you actually know what you're doing
unkempt tangle
I know what I do
I try to get the OPCODE from a custom lua interpreter
Through debugging/disassemblying his luav_execute
prisma wave
Not sure you need Kali for that
prisma wave
wot
prisma wave
compile it yourself
unkempt tangle
May I also change the introduction of the file
prisma wave
Lazy
unkempt tangle
What do you think I am doing here
prisma wave
It's also archived so they probably don't want to support it anymore
cinder flare
just download CLion
cinder flare
CLion can parse makefiles for you
well yeah you need make itself
but you need a bunch of commands to setup the make thing
similar to like gradle init and stuff
unkempt tangle
:c
prisma wave
You don't need linux for make 🥲
cinder flare
yeah he had minGW but couldn't use it
unkempt tangle
I asked couple of times
humble silo
What is the difference here???
surreal quarry
like the place the jar is?
humble silo
System.getProperty("user.dir") right?
static zealot
like the place the jar is?
ye.
static zealot
`System.getProperty("user.dir")` right?
ty ty.
surreal quarry
yea the system thing should work according to stackoverflow
if not there’s probably like File#getAbsolutePath or something
static zealot
yeah I'm just trying to save a default config file
forest pecan
haha playing coc and then going full on shortest code mode
then fitting all that code
on signs
hot hull
Books could actually work
static zealot
Man why do people have to be so stupid?
static zealot
so I have a thing with a model that people have to follow something like this:
[option]: value
[option-2]: value2
etc``` and I need to get each value. And what I did is split the lines at `\n` (newline) and then used a simple regex but they don't even know how to copy the fucking model and paste it so they just make it without a new line somehow so my bot doesn't get the correct values ...and I just don't know what to do about them
static zealot
yeah. idk how or why lmao
maybe they're on phones? but I think phones have new lines as well
the thing is it doesn't really matter. If the model is not right then it just deletes it and ignores and also sends them a message telling them its not correct but then they just come to me asking what's not correct
so I don't really know how I'd split the message into lines.
I've also tried just duplicating my regex but idk if I like that. Like it will just be: "\[(?<info>[^]]*)]:(?<value>.*)\[(?<info>[^]]*)]:(?<value>.*)\[(?<info>[^]]*)]:(?<value>.*)\[(?<info>[^]]*)]:(?<value>.*)\[(?<info>[^]]*)]:(?<value>.*)\[(?<info>[^]]*)]:(?<value>.*)\[(?<info>[^]]*)]:(?<value>.*)" well of course with the info/value names changed to info2/value2, info3/value3` but that really looks wrong to me.
cinder flare
what is this for? a config file or someting?
just make a builder at that point lol
don't let them near the text itself
static zealot
no no. something similar to #827055634586271775 I guess. doesn't do the same thing but uses the same format I guess
cinder flare
ohhhh
I see I see
Can you not just do a contains search
Similar to how like Selenium validating does
static zealot
idk what Selenium is
cinder flare
like, as long as their message has a [Service] [Request] and [Budget] somewhere, then it's fine right?
no need to split by newline
static zealot
well not really
bcz I need to see what their budget is for example
and make sure its a number
or a valid budget
cinder flare
Oh jeez
static zealot
For example I have this: [Time]: 12h [Code]: 1234 [Name]: Blitz
cinder flare
Wait I bet you could make a prompter like in DM's
static zealot
and I need to make sure that time is > 6 h
cinder flare
Like Insert time: then you can validate per item
static zealot
code is a valid code from a list
cinder flare
Then Barry or whatever can be the one who posts in the channel
Just don't allow manual users at all!
static zealot
jesus that will take a while.
static zealot
but what if 2 people start posting at the same time? I'd have to check that too
that's what I just wanted it to be 1 message
cinder flare
That's like, all I did in my entire intro to java class
Well have them do a command to start it
cinder flare
then in DM's, Barry can handle each person individually
static zealot
yeah and only allow one at a time?
cinder flare
?
static zealot
oh DMs
cinder flare
Just make a handler per DM
static zealot
hmm
cinder flare
That way it doesn't spam any channels
static zealot
yeah I guess DMs works but Like I'll have to consider so many things. fuck this. Just gonna scrap the whole idea.
cinder flare
bro I think that's a good idea
cinder flare
I guess
but imagine the steps in usability
that makes your bot unique
not many other bots do that
static zealot
To many things to consider for a thing like that. My brain is not working properly today so I will either do it sometimes or I'll just forget in a few hours about this whole thing
static zealot
no
cinder flare
:(
static zealot
its personal for my discord server so it has a lot of bad code in it just so it works also I have like a few webhooks and my bot token. which I don't want to make public again lmao
cinder flare
add me to the repo bro
static zealot
I did make it OS first and then discord sent me an email saying that my discord token was made public... Of course that was just me making it OS
cinder flare
I'll clean you right up
cinder flare
👍
static zealot
I'll clean you right up
u wanna clean me up? xD
cinder flare
yes sir
add me to the repo
bet
@static zealot I don't see your repo in my list of repos 👀
??
static zealot
well there's 2 reasons why you don't. First I won't add you. Second: I just realised I didn't even upload it to github yet. I was like I should commit all the changes I made today. Then realised that on github is my old repo
cinder flare
:'(
forest pecan
clean me up
stuck harbor
c l e a n
humble silo
Anyone know how to change your nickname or how i can get privileges to? Is it a 20-29 level thing?
jovial warren
anyone here wanna have some fun trying to decipher some Mojang maths?
obtuse gale
Anyone know how to change your nickname or how i can get privileges to? Is it a ...
It's a nitro booster thing
jovial warren
obtuse gale
pog
steel heart
yeah
humble silo
Great lol
lunar cypress
Shills
cinder flare
yeah lol I love how he immediately just does it
humble silo
I mean discord had offered me a month of nitro so why not lol
jovial warren
https://paste.helpch.at/pedicotazo.java so I'm looking at this Mojang maths code, it's for calculating the base 2 logarithm of a number rounded up, but I'm a bit confused on how it works
looks like it uses whatever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence this is
half harness
uhh for github packages what repo do i have to put?
I'm trying to use https://github.com/ThatKawaiiSam/Assemble/packages/405008
jovial warren
you gotta give GitHub your token to use GitHub Packages
half harness
o
jovial warren
you have to authenticate with GitHub for packages
half harness
😫
half harness
https://docs.github.com/en/packages/guides/configuring-gradle-for-use-with-github-packages
im trying to follow this but i can't get it to work, ```gradle
plugins {
id("maven-publish") apply false
}
subprojects {
apply plugin: "maven-publish"
publishing {
repositories {
maven {
name = "GitHubPackages"
url = uri("https://maven.pkg.github.com/OWNER/REPOSITORY")
credentials {
username = project.findProperty("gpr.user") ?: System.getenv("USERNAME")
password = project.findProperty("gpr.key") ?: System.getenv("TOKEN")
}
}
}
publications {
gpr(MavenPublication) {
from(components.java)
}
}
}
}
```this is what they say to put, so for username i put dkim19375 and for pass i put the token generated from https://github.com/settings/tokens, but it doesn't work
also, when putting from() in the gpr publications thing it says Unresolved reference
anyone know what im doing wrong 😫
cinder flare
I think username is email
cinder flare
same as what git does on the command line
prisma wave
karma for using kt dsl
cinder flare
does it fill in the uri with the actual owner and repository?
cinder flare
do you not like kotdsl bm
prisma wave
i do not
prisma wave
ugly
cinder flare
I think it looks better than the groovy dsl ngl
cinder flare
parens make more logical sense to me
prisma wave
bm doesnt like kt
i do
half harness
prisma wave
parens make more logical sense to me
nauseated
half harness
ok now im confuesd
prisma wave
face
half harness
https://docs.github.com/en/packages/guides/configuring-gradle-for-use-with-githu...
bump
should i just manually down the source
jovial warren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/815157416563834884/828753353742745600/image0.png just got sent this in the Krypton Discord haha
facts though amirite
ocean quartz
Oh god, the tutorial sent in development 😬
onyx loom
🙂
cinder flare
ooh someone is coming from python
jovial warren
int i;
for (i = keys.length << 1; i < x; i <<= 1) {
}
```there has to be a better way to do this than thatis that really the only way you can apply an operation to a variable x amount of times in Java?
pale shell
Is there any decent updated docs for fawe?
jovial warren
private int findEmpty(int param_0) {
for (int var_0 = param_0; var_0 < this.keys.length; ++var_0) {
if (this.keys[var_0] != EMPTY_SLOT) continue;
return var_0;
}
for (int var_1 = 0; var_1 < param_0; ++var_1) {
if (this.keys[var_1] != EMPTY_SLOT) continue;
return var_1;
}
throw new RuntimeException("Overflowed :(");
}
```absolutely world class loljust "Overflowed" lol
ocean quartz
Take me to Kotlin I'll worship it like a dog
pale shell
I wish fawe could fix fawe being bad :L
cinder flare
I just wish normal WE wasn't slow as balls so we didn't have to deal with all these forks
pale shell
How many forks are there? I only know of fawe and async
cinder flare
well yes that's the two I know
but that's two more than you'd think there should need to be
pale shell
Ah I thought you meant like 5 or so my bad
jovial warren
https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/KT-1440 lol, 9 years and we still don't have bitwise operators 😔
cinder flare
wait wtf does kotlin have shl instead of <<
forest pecan
kinda dumb that kotlin doesnt have bitwise
jovial warren
someone tell me how you can make generic type arrays without requiring the class of the generic type
ocean quartz
wait wtf does kotlin have `shl` instead of `<<`
Because of Andrey Breslav
jovial warren
wait wtf does kotlin have `shl` instead of `<<`
that's not even the worst part
prisma wave
looking forward for monadic bind operator to be added to kotlin 🤓
jovial warren
infix precedence
jovial warren
yes
cinder flare
sounds like it
forest pecan
infix precedence
its infix also?
jovial warren
yes
forest pecan
thats fucking mental
jovial warren
so it's subject to infix precedence
forest pecan
thats literally compiler level
i think
when compilers compile code they format it to postfix precedence or infix i forgot
jovial warren
1 shl 2 or 3 and 7 shr 25 and 1 << 2 | 3 & 7 >> 25 are completely different
forest pecan
cause its easier to parse the expressions
jovial warren
they will produce completely different results
prisma wave
not always
jovial warren
so you have to be careful where you put your brackets
prisma wave
reverse polish notation is sometimes used
Which is suffix
but not always
Depends on the type of parser afaik
forest pecan
postfix?
forest pecan
some compilers use it
jovial warren
I am so glad Andrey Breslav is gone now lol
forest pecan
cause in postfix there is no ambivilence
jovial warren
he's literally the reason why Kotlin is what it is
forest pecan
and stuff like order of operations is easier to handle
jovial warren
when it could be so much more
we almost had tuples, but Andrey said no
bitwise operators? nope
cinder flare
tuples are kinda cool from what I hear
jovial warren
especially not infix operators with a completely different precedence to regular operators
prisma wave
custom operators
forest pecan
@half harness
jovial warren
I'm tempted to apply compiler modifications to add them myself lol
but that would break compatibility
cinder flare
ah Bardy is independently inventing Lombok lol
jovial warren
no
jovial warren
lol
cinder flare
BOTLIN
jovial warren
I mean, I guess I could have a crack at designing my own language
cinder flare
Barlang
jovial warren
why make your own language when haskell already exists?
says one of the creators of Elara
cinder flare
you're talking elm right
prisma wave
Uh sure
forest pecan
nah hes talking about F#
jovial warren
if I was going to make my own language, I would probably just kinda take everything I like from the languages I use and put it all together into one place
cinder flare
I'm thinking Perl, right?
jovial warren
basically Kotlin++
cinder flare
steal the regex from Perl
jovial warren
array literals, tuples, bitwise operators, etc.
forest pecan
kotlin was like I want less verbosity than Java! I want js like syntax modifiers! I want fun!
prisma wave
Kotlin as a lisp dialect
jovial warren
might also steal some stuff from Python lol
forest pecan
func
cinder flare
except for the few nice features it has
jovial warren
forest pecan
i like func
prisma wave
i like not having a function keyword
jovial warren
you have to use self literally everywhere because properties outside of classes are a thing
jovial warren
i like not having a function keyword
oh that's a point
oh there's another to add to the feature list
jovial warren
proper type inference
jovial warren
not just for expression functions, properties and variables, but also for complex functions
prisma wave
kotlin isn't weakly typed
jovial warren
yeah I was gonna say
onyx loom
i dont get that, what is strong/weak typing
cinder flare
it can be
strong means you have to type the type of everything, like Java
weak means you don't have to most of the time, like with var/val in Kotlin
onyx loom
isnt that type inference tho
prisma wave
no
Strong and weak typing is different to having type inference
java has type inference
onyx loom
kekw
cinder flare
wot
jovial warren
var lol
surreal quarry
java also has smart casting 👀
onyx loom
so what is it exactly
jovial warren
also, strongly typed just means that the compiler does very strict type checking
onyx loom
james, are we talking about nialls smart casting here 🌚
prisma wave
also, strongly typed just means that the compiler does very strict type checking
No it doesn't
jovial warren
according to wikipedia it does
forest pecan
🌚
jovial warren
well, what I read anyway
surreal quarry
didn't you learn in 2nd grade the wikipedia is a bad source 🥲
forest pecan
😅
jovial warren
Generally, a strongly typed language has stricter typing rules at compile time, which implies that errors and exceptions are more likely to happen during compilation. basically the same thing
prisma wave
I don't think there is a concrete definition, but I would say strong typing requires explicit conversions between types whereas weakly typed languages try to coerce as much as possible
cinder flare
Please reference my link
forest pecan
didn't you learn in 2nd grade the wikipedia is a bad source 🥲
its only a bad source cause everyone can edit it. But it's factual for "quick lookup" information
if that makes sense
jovial warren
didn't you learn in 2nd grade the wikipedia is a bad source 🥲
check the citations matey, it's one of the most reliable sources on the net
cinder flare
Everyone has different definitions of strong
forest pecan
you shouldnt use it in a report paper, but it is good for quick knowledge
prisma wave
`Generally, a strongly typed language has stricter typing rules at compile time,...
You can have Dynamically typed languages that are still strongly typed
forest pecan
if that makes sense
jovial warren
teachers like to lie to you about Wikipedia because they haven't looked far enough into it
they think "can be edited by anyone" = unreliable
cinder flare
you shouldnt use it in a report paper, but it is good for quick knowledge
That's why you cite the sources Wikipedia does
forest pecan
my social studies teacher literally told me to read the whole article about columbus day
lol
on wikipedia
jovial warren
Wikipedia has bots that do a very good job these days of stopping idiots writing stupid things
cinder flare
Any hot topic article is locked lol
jovial warren
and 99% of the stuff that's said is cited to credible sources anyway, it's basically a "don't take my word for it, look for yourself" kinda thing
prisma wave
`Generally, a strongly typed language has stricter typing rules at compile time,...
That is correlation, not causation
cinder flare
Anyways Bardy, is Barlang gonna have var and val? Maybe immutable everything by default?
jovial warren
vanilla's CrudeIncrementalIntIdentityHashBiMap uses it lol
jovial warren
Anyways Bardy, is Barlang gonna have var and val? Maybe immutable everything by ...
"Barlang" haha
also, no
idk what it'll have, but there won't be strict immutability
cinder flare
Oooh
half harness
vanilla's `CrudeIncrementalIntIdentityHashBiMap` uses it lol
that class name is so looooooooooong
jovial warren
if I was even going to make a language lol
half harness
yes
onyx loom
🥲
cinder flare
Do you not like immutability? I thought it was supposed to be safer
cinder flare
for his deluxeasyncjoinplugin?
Just call it DaJ at that point
half harness
for his deluxeasyncjoinplugin?
first thing on google lol
jovial warren
https://paste.helpch.at/ilosepupag.cpp here's Krypton's CrudeIncrementalIntIdentityHashBiMap lol (shortened to IntIdentityHashBiMap for simplicity)
I'm just basing the entire registry system off of vanilla lol
cinder flare
You didn't answer the question Bardy 👀
jovial warren
Do you not like immutability? I thought it was supposed to be safer
I do like it, but I'm not in love with it like BM
I believe that some things should be mutable
and some (most things tbh) should be immutable
forest pecan
first thing on google lol
lmao
surreal quarry
i feel like its nearly impossible to do a whole project without mutability
prisma wave
ok, generally:
Strongly typed languages try to make sure that you're using the correct type as much as possible, usually erroring if something is converted that can't be. eg java (invalid casts error) and python (no type coercion)
Weakly typed languages try and allow coercion between types as much as possible, even if the conversions might not be safe. Eg javascript (for obvious reasons), or C because you can cast pointers to other pointer types with no obvious error
onyx loom
without workarounds for the immutability ^
forest pecan
i feel like its nearly impossible to do a whole project without mutability
you could redefine variables but eeeh
jovial warren
you know md_5 actually responded to DeluxeAsyncJoinLeaveMessage in the Spigot Discord once
forest pecan
Yeah
half harness
i feel like its nearly impossible to do a whole project without mutability
fun main() {
val s = "a"
System.out.println(s)
}
a real project
half harness
surreal quarry
thats of decent size
forest pecan
#694661573125472256 message
prisma wave
i feel like its nearly impossible to do a whole project without mutability
which is why every functional language will have some sort of abstraction for mutablility. It's not about eliminating it, it's about reducing it as much as possible and making state-related errors pretty much impossible through abstractions
lunar cypress
i feel like its nearly impossible to do a whole project without mutability
you totally can, depends what you start counting as "mutability"
ocean quartz
He sounds like a boomer trying to sounds woke lmao
forest pecan
hah no immutable gaeeeeeeee
lunar cypress
there are programs that are essentially just functions
compilers for example
you can totally make those completely immutable
prisma wave
yeah, if you exclude the IO, compilers are completely pure
lunar cypress
you only need side effects at the beginning and end
humble silo
humble silo
This is genius
cinder flare
jesus have you guys heard of deleting embeds
half harness
nope
humble silo
lol
prisma wave
mathematical stuff is obviously totally immutable too
cinder flare
nice
cinder flare
mathematical stuff is obviously totally immutable too
are you a maths wizard
can you explain integrals to me
humble silo
I like the 30k lines of blankspace
prisma wave
uh
cinder flare
i even used bri ish slang for math just to appeal to you
prisma wave
add up little rectangle Lots of times
forest pecan
integral shit 🥲
lunar cypress
I can count to ten with my fingers
cinder flare
nah I know what they are I mean how to do them
prisma wave
idk
cinder flare
my brain get kinda funky when you convert 2x to like 1/3x^3
prisma wave
best I can do is simple polynomials
half harness
I can count to ten with my fingers
😮 lucky
prisma wave
my brain get kinda funky when you convert 2x to like 1/3x^3
its just the reverse of differentiation
lunar cypress
this isn't a correct integral for that function btw
prisma wave
🥲
lunar cypress
yeah neither does ours
prisma wave
that sucks
lunar cypress
very annoying because you wanna try things out
cinder flare
i suddenly doubt my ability to do basic addition and division on a test
so i am very spooped
surreal quarry
if i have a calculator ill literally plug in like 21/7 or something sometimes
just to make sure im not being a dumbass
lunar cypress
@cinder flare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUvTyaaNkzM&list=PL0-GT3co4r2wlh6UHTUeQsrf3mlS2lk6x
good series if you really want to understand what's happening in calculus. it's not a tutorial how to calculate integrals but rather a build up from scratch
cinder flare
yeah I watched a good few of those
surreal quarry
i love 3blue1brown
cinder flare
it's the actual doing it that's the hard part
surreal quarry
lol
prisma wave
but still entertaining
lunar cypress
it's the actual doing it that's the hard part
then all you need is practice
cinder flare
yeah integrals aren't super the problem cause we have a test tomorrow about fucking optimization problems and sketching graphs
lunar cypress
I sometimes wish I had something practical like this
cinder flare
optimization problems are literally my most hated thing
lunar cypress
I can imagine
cinder flare
oh and he won't give us a stupid unit circle on the test and expects us to know all the stupid fractions
I did that in like, 11th grade last
like wtf
sweet cipher
forest pecan
scratch paper is probably more useful
ur talking about this right https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/54605156/studios/
/s
cinder flare
yes sir
humble silo
ur talking about this right https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/54605156/studios/
Lol, My dad got me started on that when i was like 8 or something, I have a whole profile with stuff on it... I should actually go back and look at it if i remember my password!
ocean quartz
@hot hull Actually did some progress today, reorganized it to be easier to work with
Now I'm working on division things into separate configs, at first i didn't want it but i feel like it gets confusing if I don't
cinder flare
good
all my homies hate oracle
and that would've ruined software development like, forever
hot hull
Scale this down to mc related plugins, and that's basically how it goes kek
old wyvern
Probably not
distant sun
You cant use iij? Or has to be in browser
old wyvern
You need a compiler and execution environment to run your applications
Those "web ide"s compile and execute your code in a backend server
distant sun
Btw replit has java but not maven / gradle unfortunately
old wyvern
What are you using to code then?
quiet depot
Doesnt that require the serverside pre-setup
yeah but it can all be done over cli so that's not an issue
what developer doesn't have an ssh app on their phone smh
||if you're one of the odd bunch that don't, I highly recommend termius||
distant sun
Ok ..
old wyvern
yeah but it can all be done over cli so that's not an issue
can it be installed on a phone? or do you mean installing on another system?
quiet depot
installing it on another system using ur phone
old wyvern
hmm
@obtuse gale You got a vps?
Also actually
he would still need an active internet connection
distant sun
Just enjoy your vacation lol
old wyvern
I had a question
quiet depot
lay it on me
old wyvern
Is there anyway to have a class redefine the value to be injected to other classes at runtime?
quiet depot
no yugi
old wyvern
Damn
quiet depot
pro tip with dagger
old wyvern
Maybe i need to rethink how I do this
old wyvern
Welp
My use case is basically, I need to inject a Connection class across Activities, but the login activity needs to be able to change the connection when someone logs in with a diff id
Might as well use a wrapper ig
What?
no
1000ms = 1 s
Yea
50ms is a mc tick
quiet depot
yugi
what's this for?
what are the project constraints
because chances are you could just use guice
I highly recommend guice
although guice doesn't allow you to change bindings at runtime either
old wyvern
idm guice, tho google seems to promote hilt (a dagger wrapper) for Android
quiet depot
ah
the main reason I use guice is because it allows you to create bindings at runtime
old wyvern
Ah that sound nice. but im not yet sure if that would play with how android orchestrates classes. rn I think my only way to go if a class that wraps the connection hiding its mutability and just working out when to connect, reconnect, disconnect... ect
quiet depot
guice dagger
create yes no
edit no no```easiest guice/dagger comparison
for runtime bindings
prisma wave
My use case is basically, I need to inject a Connection class across Activities,...
Make some service that wraps a mutable connection and inject that?
old wyvern
Yea thats what im rewriting to
quiet depot
I don't really know what the point of dagger is tbh
prisma wave
Fast
quiet depot
the performance between guice and dagger should be the same
old wyvern
Might be a difference on mobile devices
quiet depot
like dagger will start up a tiny bit faster
but the end result at runtime, should be the same
prisma wave
That could be a noticeable difference on a low power phone
prisma wave
TIL that ECMA is an actual standards organisation and isn't just about javascript
jovial warren
arrayOfNulls<Any>(1 shl bits) as Array<T?> anyone know if that cast will succeed?
trying to create a generic array without requiring a Class<T>
I mean, surely there's no such thing as a generic type that doesn't inherit from Any
prisma wave
wtf
prisma wave
I mean, surely there's no such thing as a generic type that doesn't inherit from...
nullable types
prisma wave
why are you doing that
jovial warren
so that'll return Array<Any?>
old wyvern
Wait
jovial warren
because I need an array of a fixed size for this
old wyvern
Why are you even doing this
jovial warren
idk, I'm copying Mojang code because I'm out of ideas lol
I'm using their palette and registry system as a base
old wyvern
because I need an array of a fixed size for this
what type?
old wyvern
Just use that generic instead?
jovial warren
not possible
jovial warren
Array<T>() = compiler error because T must be reified
gimme a min, lemme give you the Mojang code lol
might be easier so you can help replace it
jovial warren
I tried that
but as I said, Array<T>() gives me a reified error
T has to be reified
jovial warren
actually, to show you this, it might be easier if we just jump in a VC, since there's a bit of a rabbit trail
old wyvern
actually, to show you this, it might be easier if we just jump in a VC, since th...
Maybe in an hour
jovial warren
T must be reified
old wyvern
Doing a worksheet rn
jovial warren
https://paste.helpch.at/hotimuzaci.java here's the LinearPalette
then there's... https://paste.helpch.at/wazoxaqote.java whatever that is
CrudeIncrementalIntIdentityHashBiMap
jovial warren
not possible, I would need a Class
old wyvern
Is the source updated on git?
old wyvern
I need more context
jovial warren
this is for block palettes
LinearPalette and HashMapPalette (use of CrudeIncrementalIntIdentityHashBiMap) are for storing block state IDs to block states
I think
here's HashMapPalette: https://paste.helpch.at/nonutoroco.java
old wyvern
In which class of yours do you need the Array in?
jovial warren
I might wanna fix up those variable names though, before pig or cube warns me again for NSFW content
jovial warren
In which class of yours do you need the Array in?
I need LinearPalette and HashMapPalette for the PalettedContainer, which is what I'm going to use to store block state info
lemme get you that too
basically, this is all so I can deal with registries better and be able to deal with block state updates (block placing/breaking)
"so where is PalettedContainer used?" you ask
"LevelChunkSection" I answer: https://paste.helpch.at/fipifepeli.java
actually I bet these would be better as lists anyway
I still need to understand how CrudeIncrementalIntIdentityHashBiMap actually works
I know it uses a murmur hash for the hash code of the elements
which is in mth
old wyvern
Not sure what Im meant to do with these, I meant your kotlin class
old wyvern
The one in which you want to create the Array
jovial warren
https://paste.helpch.at/ofinexiruy.pl here's the HashMapPalette
https://paste.helpch.at/uxorivezos.coffeescript and LinearPalette
quaint isle
I want to setup a password protected proxy server on my smol debian server so that I can use it to access certain websites when I'm abroad as if I was at home.
Since I want it to work with pretty much any software (not just the web browser), I should use a SOCKS proxy, right?
What proxy software would work well for this purpose, I'm not sure if I'm googling properly because I'm not really finding anything useful 😄
old wyvern
@jovial warren
Id say you have 2 routes,
Maybe created a array wrapper than overrides the get and set with the proper types and internally use an array of Any?
Or,
Require the class to be passed down to this class as a reified type
jovial warren
I want to setup a password protected proxy server on my smol debian server so th...
I can recommend WireGuard personally (VPN rather than a proxy, but they basically do the same thing)
it's free, very easy to setup, and works very well
jovial warren
<@!266294134116057089>
Id say you have 2 routes,
Maybe created a array wrapper ...
first one went straight over my head, second one sounds annoying for instantiation
guess it's not that bad though
will the cast not work there though? that's my question
the cast from Array<Any?> to Array<T?> should never fail
old wyvern
jovial warren
what
oak coyote
He’s entered the matrix
jovial warren
old wyvern
first one went straight over my head, second one sounds annoying for instantiati...
First one would be something along the lines of
class GenericArray<T>(size: Int) {
private val array = arrayOfNulls<Any?>(size)
operator fun get(i: Int) = array[i] as T?
operator fun set(i: Int, value: T?) {
array[i] = value
}
}
You could probably make that an inline class actually
is that still an experimental feature?
jovial warren
probably is, but I use inline classes anyway so no issue using them here
maybe an inline constructor
@Suppress("UNCHECKED_CAST")
class GenericArray<T>(size: Int) : Iterable<T?> {
private val array = arrayOfNulls<Any>(size)
operator fun get(index: Int) = array[index] as? T
operator fun set(index: Int, value: T?) {
array[index] = value
}
override fun iterator() = array.iterator() as Iterator<T?>
}
```seems legit lolstill gotta suppress unchecked cast because of get
old wyvern
Why not annotate those specific methods instead of the whole class?
jovial warren
because iterator also requires an unchecked cast
jovial warren
yeah set doesn't
old wyvern
so annotate get and iterator instead
jovial warren
done
old wyvern
also, might want to use as T? instead of as? T as you'd probably want to fail fast if someone tried to add some other type into it by reflection or something
jovial warren
true
also, you know using this means I lose access to all of the Array extension functions that I need
like indices and fill()
guess I could just manually add them
old wyvern
yea
quaint isle
I can recommend WireGuard personally (VPN rather than a proxy, but they basicall...
Sorry for interrupting your conversation. I didn't really read it and thought it was already over :<
VPNs are generally nice, but I kinda want something on a per-application basis. I figured a proxy is easier in this case because I can just type it into chrome or spotify directly, no?
jovial warren
maybe
jovial warren
I'm starting to think I should've just left the block state shit to someone else, because Mojang's is a fucking mess and I don't have any better ideas
I'm just gonna push this completely fucked code and do exactly that
I ain't dealing with this anymore
I'm done with block states
distant sun
Isnt that just an array, bbg?
jovial warren
yeah but that's the easy part
stuck harbor
arrays be bad in java
jovial warren
it's fucking updating it
stuck harbor
arraylists be awesome
jovial warren
being able to place and break blocks gaby
distant sun
```kotlin
@Suppress("UNCHECKED_CAST")
class GenericArray<T>(size: Int) : Iterabl...
I mean this
jovial warren
yeah that's just an array, but you can't create generic arrays because constructing an array requires a reified type
jovial warren
sections are
chunk columns, as they're called, are made up of chunk sections, which are cubic
jovial warren
and my commit is the first commit in Krypton to fail build
because it just doesn't compile
because I'm literally done with block states
I'm even starting to lose motivation for the project as a whole
it's not fun anymore
distant sun
!!
jovial warren
I mean, don't get me wrong, I love this project, it's the only thing I have to hold on to (literally all of my other projects are irrelevant to everyone but me), but it's just getting more and more complex
I also need to reconsider my goals for this project, as "it's just a fun side project" isn't true anymore, and I need something to truly keep me motivated to keep doing stuff with this
also, it's difficult to stay motivated when you're the only one working on a huge project with no true goals or outcomes, and not really that much praise or appreciation
it's very difficult to believe that what you're doing is right when you don't really see that much evidence of it
forest pecan
bardy typing out his speeches
jovial warren
this is Bardy somewhat venting
even though I doubt anyone here really cares
didn't think so
timber oak
What does intellij ultimate edition actually have that the free version doesnt?
jovial warren
A hell of a lot
jovial warren
That's only in ultimate?
hot hull
yes
jovial warren
Oh
I'm almost ready to give up on Krypton because it's just getting less fun and more complex and horrible and I just can't anymore
hot hull
bardy
jovial warren
I'm not good enough for this
hot hull
don't be a quitter
jovial warren
Look at the rest of my projects Frosty
dont let frosty decide your life choices
jovial warren
All of them are either useless, half finished, or both
hot hull
Lmao Ori
remote goblet
im very clearly a quitter 
hot hull
You've shown that recently yes
remote goblet
https://github.com/Oribuin/SellChests remember when i started working on that sell chests plugin
hot hull
I mean postponing projects != quitter
jovial warren
I really don't want to give up on this because I love it, but me not being able to do things is making me angry
remote goblet
or that auction house plugin
what
hot hull
wait what, you using java, that's new
remote goblet
yeah lmao
hot hull
probably why you quit
jovial warren
I mean postponing projects != quitter
No, but if I take a break, it is likely that Krypton will just die like everything else, because nobody cares about it like I do
hot hull
I mean I wanna die as well, but I'm still productive to some degree
remote goblet
You see
hot hull
I'll tell luke that I can finish auctions if you don't wanna, if the code isn't cancer
remote goblet
You will absolutely not
hot hull
:>
remote goblet
that is my baby
remote goblet
im just burned out okay
hot hull
Don't open IJ for a week, play some games, live life, you'll feel better when you come back
oblique heath
imagine if a mother could just say she's burnt out and put her baby in the freezer for a week or two
(to keep it from spoiling of course)
dawn hinge
Lmao
remote goblet
so now i wanna kill zombies and kill other humans
Frosty if you wanna look at auction house and tell me where to improve it
do it
jovial warren
right, as my phone decided not today, let me use my PC
remote goblet
but 
jovial warren
Nobody cares about this project like I do, most people just come by, say "oh, that's cool" and you never really hear anything from them again
jovial warren
yeah I know
I know it's my project, and I know I shouldn't expect any different, but I thought at least some people would at least somewhat care
I think I'm asking too much from people though
jovial warren
people more actively engaging in testing stuff, trying to help me move this project forward, etc.
looking at the contributions graphs just makes me a little sad
half harness
i'd contribute but i have no idea how to do that 
dawn hinge
I'm really interested in the project but I still haven't learned Kotlin 🙁
jovial warren
I suppose I do need to make it much more open and much clearer how to contribute and easier to contribute
and the project in its current state is a massive mess as it is
half harness
I'm still relatively new to kt, and barely used packets and don't have a lot of idea of how to make an mc server
and the kt community is like 5% of the java community
actually might be less than 5
jovial warren
true
half harness
the only pr i probably did to one of the 'pro devs' in here was a 10 line PR to matt's mf gui lol
and it got rejected like 10 times || 😔 ||
jovial warren
I'm never the developer though that comes up with new solutions to problems I come across in this project
jovial warren
I just leech off of existing stuff because I'm not good enough to come up with a better solution
remote goblet
but outside of that I don't think its too bad
hot hull
Bardy, make it work first, then improve it
jovial warren
and then I confuse myself in my own code because it's just copy and paste
stuck harbor
||haha made you look||
jovial warren
Bardy, make it work first, then improve it
yeah but to make it work, you need to, well, make it work
stuck harbor
yes?
hot hull
go cliff jumping
jovial warren
and making it work is the part I struggle with
because I'm well out of my depth for 99% of this project
hot hull
But that's exactly why you should keep going, you'll learn a lot from this
If you just gave up when it got hard you would've never learnt anything
jovial warren
I try to take the solve the root problem, then solve up the tree route, but that never works
jovial warren
If you just gave up when it got hard you would've never learnt anything
I've already learnt a lot
half harness
imagine having a kotlin mc server that u made 😌
jovial warren
actually, I'm getting stuck at block states, but that's because I'm just copying Minecraft code
which won't work
half harness
what exactly are blockstates?
since theres already blockdata, what do blockstates do
jovial warren
I should just be setting block states directly by their state IDs
jovial warren
what exactly are blockstates?
since theres already blockdata, what do blockstate...
every block has different states
e.g. a grass block can be snowy or not
snowy: true is a different state from snowy: false
half harness
i thought that was blockdata
jovial warren
and they have separate protocol IDs
half harness
so confusing
jovial warren
yeah those mother fuckers
quiet depot
protocol ids gud
quiet depot
papi 3 use protocl ida
half harness
what are block data?
obtuse gale
NBT
half harness
block data is all NBT
wait what
jovial warren
oml
obtuse gale
do not reference spigot
jovial warren
bukkit is stupid
.
obtuse gale
bukkit is stupid
half harness
oops
quiet depot
my only advice to bardy this whole time has been to not do anything bukkit does
obtuse gale
we are talking about vanilla here
jovial warren
I need a good way to support block data with varying values
jovial warren
my only advice to bardy this whole time has been to not do anything bukkit does
yeah that's really not all that helpful though tbh
jovial warren
yeah ik
quiet depot
there exists not a single fully functional standalone impl
there's no other advice I can give you except to not follow in the footsteps of other projects
jovial warren
Minestom's been somewhat helpful
quiet depot
I would've thought glowstone would be more helpful
jovial warren
yeah maybe
but Glowstone is based off of Bukkit
and is basically rewritten Minecraft
quiet depot
vanilla mechanics can be extracted
jovial warren
true
I wonder how Glowstone handles block states
https://github.com/GlowstoneMC/Glowstone/blob/dev/src/main/java/net/glowstone/block/state/BlockStateData.java oml does Glowstone just cheat and treat everything as a string
half harness
lol
jovial warren
lol
obtuse gale
@half harnessReason (one of many..) why bukkit is stupid:
Vanilla block states for furnace: https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Furnace#Block_states
Vanilla block data for furnace: https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Furnace#Block_data
Bukkit block "states" for furnace: https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.16/org/bukkit/block/Furnace.html
Bukkit block "data" for furnace: https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.16/org/bukkit/block/data/type/Furnace.html
jovial warren
block data is block entity data in vanilla I think
jovial warren
because Bukkit
obtuse gale
> bukkit is stupid
.