so you could technically run a Minecraft server at port 443 and you wouldn't need to open your firewall? or what?
#dev-general
pale shell
@quiet depot https://youtu.be/VeaJ0hHBRPQ?t=32 bloo
quiet depot
no bardy
prisma wave
no
cinder flare
no bardy
jovial warren
how do web sockets differ from standard connections?
pale shell
i skipped to the exact time for you
cinder flare
ignore that
prisma wave
afaik websockets are just web requests, except it doesn't close the connection
cinder flare
it's because it maintains the connection
instead of pinging the server directly
it sends messages to discord
then discord sends it along to you
jovial warren
yeah but it has to make an initial connection
pale shell
bm, do you have an airport on your small island
cinder flare
yeah it's called initializing your bot
prisma wave
whereas an mc server requires clients to open a connection to you
prisma wave
bm, do you have an airport on your small island
yes
jovial warren
and receiving data back from Discord would require an open port
cinder flare
no
pale shell
you do?!
jovial warren
ah right
prisma wave
and receiving data back from Discord would require an open port
no it doesn't
pale shell
what?!
prisma wave
receiving html doesn't require port 80 to be open
jovial warren
so because the client makes the request, the firewall makes an exception for that outbound request and creates a sort of path through
prisma wave
same principle with websockets
cinder flare
bardy do you have any idea what a connection is
cinder flare
like, you know how you connect to discord?
quiet depot
bm do websockets stay open? I thought they were basically identical to http lel
cinder flare
it's literally the exact same thing
quiet depot
just a diff name
jovial warren
yeah, you send an HTTP request with identify iirc
pale shell
found it
prisma wave
bm do websockets stay open? I thought they were basically identical to http lel
yeah i think they do
lunar cypress
What is websocket :S
jovial warren
yeah web sockets stay open
pale shell
that's a tiny airport lol
cinder flare
it's like how uPnP works
prisma wave
that's a tiny airport lol
it's not commercial
jovial warren
I think I'm just misunderstanding how firewalls work
prisma wave
just for like amateurs usually
pale shell
the ATC room is someones shed
cinder flare
if you send out traffic it assigns a port to it on your PC, if it receives stuff back on that same port, it knows it's because you requested it and it allows it through
jovial warren
firewalls are only to protect incoming traffic from getting to you right?
like when something just randomly sends a request to you
cinder flare
firewalls can go both ways
pale shell
but if you wanted to fly somewhere you gotta come over to mainland?
jovial warren
yeah ik
but most firewalls allow all outbound traffic
or at least, most home firewalls
cinder flare
but yes, unless you forward a port, its function is to stop uninitiated requests
prisma wave
but if you wanted to fly somewhere you gotta come over to mainland?
yes
jovial warren
ah right
jovial warren
so established connections are mostly always allowed?
prisma wave
u get used to it
pale shell
ever thought of just coming to main land?
cinder flare
they are always allowed, unless explicitly forbidden
pale shell
that's a genuine question btw
jovial warren
would make sense, since I've seen IPTables always be set up to allow ESTABLISHED connections inbound
cinder flare
every single thing you do on a computer via networking involves making a connection and allowing a response through your router
cinder flare
i probably will for uni
oooh what country you thinkin
jovial warren
every single thing you do on a computer via networking involves making a connect...
yeah ik how a connection works lol
jovial warren
oooh what country you thinkin
cinder flare
yet you didn't know how firewalls did? lmao
prisma wave
oooh what country you thinkin
mainland uk, usa or possibly france
jovial warren
I wasn't 100% sure, since I've never investigated firewalls
pale shell
wtf usa?
cinder flare
wait mainland UK
jovial warren
I just setup a firewall and it just works
cinder flare
are you not in Uk now?
prisma wave
i am
jovial warren
wait *mainland* UK
the UK has these small, mostly irrelevant islands around it
pale shell
he's in the middle of the sea
jovial warren
called the channel islands
cinder flare
oh like Jersey?
prisma wave
the UK has these small, mostly irrelevant islands around it
oi
cinder flare
oh shit
pale shell
the middle of the sea
cinder flare
i know a guy from jersey
prisma wave
dont associate me with jersey (🤢)
prisma wave
nah he's from the Isle of Wight iirc
correct
pale shell
bm lives in jersey?
prisma wave
absolutely not
pale shell
what's up with jersey?
jovial warren
doesn't the Isle of Wight technically count as a channel island?
cinder flare
I just setup a firewall and it just works
damn how much networking knowledge do you have? and it's all self-taught?
jovial warren
damn how much networking knowledge do you have? and it's all self-taught?
I do Linux system administration
cinder flare
wtf that's sick
prisma wave
doesn't the Isle of Wight technically count as a channel island?
dont think so
cinder flare
I mean so do I
jovial warren
I don't get paid for it, but I do it
cinder flare
but like, very nice to find a fellow boi
cinder flare
mainland uk, usa or possibly france
wait did you say USA 😮
prisma wave
perhaps
jovial warren
I'm not one of these companies that provides "pro sysadmins" or whatever for some stupidly overpriced amount
cinder flare
what uni???
prisma wave
no idea
jovial warren
considering how easy it is to do system administration
cinder flare
none at all?
prisma wave
the only one in america i know is MIT and harvard
cinder flare
bm wanna be my roommate next semester
onyx loom
isle of wight still classes as mainland afaik
cinder flare
we got cheap tuition
prisma wave
bm wanna be my roommate next semester
Perhaps
prisma wave
UK has better uni's
That is true
pale shell
imagine having roommates
prisma wave
Working in america sounds more fun
pale shell
no its not
cinder flare
it kinda slaps
pale shell
trust me
onyx loom
usa bad tho
cinder flare
and with your accent, imagine the praise!
prisma wave
That is true
pale shell
bm, the only reason I wanna live in usa is for the heat
cinder flare
and for escaping brexit?
pale shell
i ignore brexit now
pale shell
I swear when i was in america i heard 🔫 in the middle of the night
pale shell
florida 
cinder flare
yep
jovial warren
not that far fetched tbh Odin
cinder flare
that'd do it
pale shell
I just told myself it's just fireworks :/
jovial warren
never been there, but all I've heard about that place is shit
onyx loom
usa 3 mass shooting in the past 2 weeks 🥲
cinder flare
don't take Florida as the example
pale shell
I loved florida (of which I've seen)
prisma wave
florida crazy people
cinder flare
usa 3 mass shooting in the past 2 weeks 🥲
bro that's like comparing the amount of mass shootings in the entirety of Europe
prisma wave
California seems alright
cinder flare
like germany ain't the same as finland
onyx loom
what
prisma wave
bro that's like comparing the amount of mass shootings in the entirety of Europe
Probably 0
cinder flare
Utah ain't the same as Florida
jovial warren
yeah if you don't see a crazy Florida man doing something ridiculous on the front cover of the daily newspaper Odin, something is wrong lol
cinder flare
Im saying states are basically different countries
pale shell
if only you guys knew the crazy side of me
cinder flare
we just happen to have a federal government we can't leave @brexit
pale shell
yeah if you don't see a crazy Florida man doing something ridiculous on the fron...
fr??
jovial warren
from what I've seen
cinder flare
yes that's very true
jovial warren
only in Florida™️
pale shell
I just go to https://floridaman.com/
cinder flare
Florida has very permissive laws regarding sharing of arrest information
pale shell
keeps up with what he's doing
prisma wave
we just happen to have a federal government *we can't leave* @brexit
brexit means brexit get rid of the brown people /s
onyx loom
😁
cinder flare
brexit means brexit get rid of the brown people /s
as long as you stay away from the bottom row of states, not a concern ;)
pale shell
why do i feel like bm is a florida man
jovial warren
guess what's currently up and running btw Star
cinder flare
uhhh
jovial warren
jovial warren
may or may not be raining at night time but whatever lol
cinder flare
hooo I love rain
pale shell
test.kryptonmc.org isn't a website?
cinder flare
this is perfect
prisma wave
as long as you stay away from the bottom row of states, not a concern \;)
?? I thought the south was supposed to be friendly to all races with a very open minded history
onyx loom
🥲
cinder flare
?? I thought the south was supposed to be friendly to all races with a very open...
oooh yeah sorry had it backwards
jovial warren
test.kryptonmc.org isn't a website?
Minecraft server silly
pale shell
oh
jovial warren
boot up 1.16.5
cinder flare
do you uh... know what Krypton is? lmao
pale shell
I'm on 1.16.4
prisma wave
do you uh... know what Krypton is? lmao
Oh god here we go
jovial warren
should still work with 1.16.4
prisma wave
He's gonna say the line
onyx loom
.4 works i think
onyx loom
i think i joined with that version ladt time
onyx loom
ye
cinder flare
no permissions
cinder flare
im just making sure ❤️
jovial warren
yeah you gotta have krypton.command.stop for that
cinder flare
obv not
onyx loom
do u? 🙃
cinder flare
unless you made me an admin 😌
cinder flare
oh not even a shoddy built in one?
lmao
but it just defaults to allow instead of deny?
cinder flare
yeah bro can you strike a deal with your best friend Lucko and integrate LP automatically
cause every server needs a permissions plugin
might as well make it default eh?
oak coyote
But it might make me waste like 100mb of my dedicated wam and like rreeeee
jovial warren
yeah bro can you strike a deal with your best friend Lucko and integrate LP auto...
lol
jovial warren
you know I was the one who made LuckPerms work on Krypton right?
lucko had nothing to do with it
cinder flare
I presumed so, but you'd need his permission to make it default, no?
pale shell
How do you add the kotlin folder into your project if it's not there at first?
jovial warren
it's just the only permissions plugin that works on the platform
jovial warren
How do you add the kotlin folder into your project if it's not there at first?
just... create the folder? lol
kinda asked for that ngl
cinder flare
yeah I was suggesting integration
onyx loom
jovial warren
ffs
fixed the issue with permissions
private fun dispatchPermissionCheck(sender: Sender, permission: String?): PermissionCheckResult {
val event = PermissionCheckEvent(sender, permission, true) // last param is if the sender has the permission
server.eventBus.call(event)
return event.result
}
```very nice thatI am the literal definition of stupid
cinder flare
awe nice
jovial warren
well, 0.16.2 is gonna be a small update
also fixed fastutil exclusions in this update (reducing JAR size from ~18 MB to ~15)
cinder flare
wots fastutil
pale shell
It's fastutil
cinder flare
wow tysm
pale shell
anytime
jovial warren
fastutil is, as the name suggests, a fast utilities library
it's one of the fastest extensions to the Java collections framework there is
added it to make StateIndexHolder work properly lol
and because it's rapid
prisma wave
doesn't come close to Haskell list performance though
jovial warren
and we'll likely need it in the future for stuff
pale shell
haskell slow?
jovial warren
it is required to be shaded
cinder flare
then wtf does exclusiosn mean
jovial warren
as of like 8.0.4 or something, it's finally split into modules
all of the stuff combined is over 23 MB
that's how massive this is
but core is only 5 MB now
and I can shrink that down by excluding some of the packages from being shaded
jovial warren
yeah
cinder flare
what's the advantage of that?
jovial warren
no (un)boxing either
cinder flare
that sounds like a disadvantage
jovial warren
it removes the overhead of converting between primitives and boxed types
prisma wave
I think haskell's performance is roughly in between java and c
jovial warren
no more having integer maps that use Integer that you use as int, requiring it to be unboxed at runtime
prisma wave
what's the advantage of that?
Primitives fast objects slow
jovial warren
^
prisma wave
if nothing else there'd be a noticeable memory difference with large collections
cinder flare
well yeah you gotta create all the boilerplate for those objects
jovial warren
not sure yet whether I should expose fastutil to the API or not
cinder flare
why not?
jovial warren
well, two reasons
cinder flare
let your plugin makers have a fast boi
jovial warren
- only used on the backend
- my exclusions could mean that plugins could use say
Double2ObjectMapand it not appear at runtime, since it's excluded by shadowJar
cinder flare
oh shit I see
prisma wave
don't
prisma wave
implementation detail
jovial warren
yeah that's what I was thinking
also, the API is designed in a way that works for any server
e.g. you could make a vanilla implementation of the API
and the comments suggest nothing about the implementation either, just what you should expect from the implementation
jovial warren
lol
I mean, the API has its core dependencies of course, like stdlib, coroutines, serialization, Adventure, Brigadier and the Log4J API
jovial warren
lol
stuck harbor
🤌
onyx loom
shithole
prisma wave
Portsmouth isn't that bad
onyx loom
idk ive never been i dont think
pale shell
you there bm?
half harness
time to meet bm
pale shell
?
pale shell
no i mean from where i'm at
onyx loom
ye
pale shell
you live in portsmouth kaliber?
onyx loom
no lol
pale shell
ok good
onyx loom
i wish
cinder flare
the whole gang lives in portsmouth wdym
prisma wave
🥲
pale shell
on a serious note now
onyx loom
not alabama
pale shell
what's the odds of someone here living in my city
cinder flare
yeah england I presume
pale shell
is there a member count thing
prisma wave
england is my city
onyx loom
🤨
cinder flare
city is my england
prisma wave
🧐
pale shell
i ain't self doxing
prisma wave
england
pale shell
almost everyone knows it
steel heart
kotlin and maven lol
prisma wave
nobody here is gonna dox you
pale shell
i've been doxed from here before
prisma wave
are u sure
lunar cypress
xXMinecraftLPXx doxed you just based on the city you live in
onyx loom
😂
prisma wave
😳
lunar cypress
That's unfortunate
pale shell
they sent a pic of my house
lunar cypress
Yikes
prisma wave
I hear they only need to know your country now!
onyx loom
no comment
pale shell
you never know what people will do
lunar cypress
Bro if you're for real you should probably get that person removed from this server
pale shell
well it happened a while ago so idk if they still here
and they change there name every 2 weeks almost
cinder flare
and that kids is why you never join a random server
sly sonnet
so uh
pale shell
steel heart
and they change there name every 2 weeks almost
I mean user id
half harness
https://i.imgur.com/g9dgT0J.png 😠
?
pale shell
it's taking ages to go through
lunar cypress
Hmm lives in england... changes their name every week.... hmm
Bm I'm afraid youre a suspect
pale shell
they should just let it go through and take it down
onyx loom
would u like to explain urself
prisma wave
No I would not
pale shell
this song just came up at the right moment https://open.spotify.com/track/1lzr43nnXAijIGYnCT8M8H?si=csL3XvP-Q76JV_huQOBEuQ
legit out of shuffle
prisma wave
classic
jovial warren
public record Person(String name, int age) {} okay I never knew records looked like that
that's literally a direct rip from Kotlin lol
obtuse gale
isnt that a good thing?
jovial warren
yeah it is
also, when your C native code finally works properly because you followed a guide and generated the .h file using javac . -h MyClass.java like you were meant to lol
all they need to do now is make that constructor syntax an option for regular classes lol
prisma wave
that's literally a direct rip from Kotlin lol
Records better
lunar cypress
hi
jovial warren
I mean, requiring {} is still kinda annoying
but the future for Java looks promising
prisma wave
I mean, requiring `{}` is still kinda annoying
Consistency
onyx loom
Records better
u say better, but is there any difference between records and a data class
prisma wave
u say better, but is there any difference between records and a data class
Records totally immutable
no var
I don't think there's any other real difference
onyx loom
o
jovial warren
also, is it just me or does final var just feel wrong
onyx loom
extremely wrong
jovial warren
like the name var implies it is variable
onyx loom
cursed
jovial warren
but then final makes it non-variable, or immutable
onyx loom
its just because ur used to kotlin tho ig
jovial warren
nah, just in general
prisma wave
let mutable 🥴
jovial warren
var means variable
and the name variable itself implies mutability
you know what I mean?
onyx loom
ye
prisma wave
meh
jovial warren
I mean, sure, it's better than nothing
but it just kinda makes limited sense imo
also, Java scoped keywords when xD
context-based keywords
whatever you want to call them lol
onyx loom
hm?
jovial warren
e.g. data in Kotlin will only be interpreted as a keyword if it's applied as a modifier of a class
prisma wave
val data = 3
jovial warren
that'll compile
prisma wave
really not that big a deal
jovial warren
but if you do final String volatile = "Callum"; for example, that won't
or any other keyword
javac is so primitive lol
lunar cypress
This has nothing to do with javac
jovial warren
how
prisma wave
This has nothing to do with javac
didn't you hear? Java bad kotlin good!
jovial warren
it's javac that interprets volatile there as a keyword
lunar cypress
javac is the compiler implementation, it's implemented according to the java language specification
lunar cypress
And personally I don't think this is a bad thing
jovial warren
I think it's a bit stupid how some very underused keywords still apply everywhere
prisma wave
but I regularly name my variables volatile!
jovial warren
that was just an example BM
lunar cypress
making everything context based convolutes and increases the complexity of the grammar of a language
jovial warren
what about using the name default for the name of your default parameter
e.g. ```java
public String getString(String path, String default)
i name my variables urMumGaeButAlsoThisIsStonksBalList
jovial warren
lemme list a few underused keywords that really should be context-based
stuck harbor
thats obv a hashmap of UUID and Integers
lunar cypress
How many lexers have you implemented bardy
jovial warren
true
lunar cypress
I challenge you to implement one for kotlin and one for java
see what you enjoy more
prisma wave
kotlin is a very syntaxy language
stuck harbor
sin-tax
prisma wave
sine tax
stuck harbor
cosine tax
onyx loom
e.g. ```java
public String getString(String path, String default)
```doesn't com...
String def 🥲
jovial warren
also, why does const exist in Java
prisma wave
just in case
lunar cypress
The thing is those features are nice for you as an end user, but they're very complex and make it even more difficult than it already is to specify a formal grammar
jovial warren
that's actually a keyword according to the specification, but it's not used lol
jovial warren
and goto
prisma wave
So didn't want people using it in their variable names
jovial warren
I guess that would be for jumps?
like you can do in assembly
e.g. jmp subroutine
prisma wave
goto 🥴
cinder flare
yeah I was gonna say, C has goto
it's real weird though and makes for some annoying to fix bugs
jovial warren
also, is it just me or are Java's access modifiers seriously fucked up
cinder flare
you don't like public, protected, and private?
jovial warren
like what does protected even mean these days, since I've seen it being used in classes with no implementations before
prisma wave
goto considered harmful 🥲
cinder flare
protected means package access only
lunar cypress
no it doesn't
cinder flare
wot
jovial warren
protected is meant to mean only subclasses can access it
lunar cypress
that's default visibility
cinder flare
ohhhh
prisma wave
Man I remember having 3 day long argument with Calin about why goto was almost always terrible design
jovial warren
package private means private to the current package
prisma wave
He just wouldn't get it
lunar cypress
protected is package and subtypes
cinder flare
yeah no I definitely used protected for variables and subclasses before
just didn't know about classes
I've never used anything besides public class and class
lunar cypress
protected is a messed up visibility
cinder flare
I might just be fucking stupid though
jovial warren
also, internal is such a nice access modifier
lunar cypress
internal sucks too in its own ways
onyx loom
obligatory internal modifier mention here
jovial warren
internal means restricted to the current module iirc
not sure what Kotlin defines as a module though
but a Gradle module seems to count
prisma wave
internal sucks too in its own ways
kotlin is objectively better in every possible way than java idot
kotlin has no flaws
jovial warren
neither are true
lunar cypress
🤐 👍
jovial warren
Java reflection is in a separate league to Kotlin reflection
Kotlin reflection sucks ass
cinder flare
can't you just use Java reflection tho
jovial warren
yes
cinder flare
ah okay so it's not too bad then
jovial warren
also, bit shifting 🥲
cinder flare
oh yeah it doesn't autopromote to integers lmao
jovial warren
infix precedence being completely different to operator precedence is a bitch
jovial warren
oh yeah it doesn't autopromote to integers lmao
there is no promotion or demotion of primitives
cinder flare
there is in Java
jovial warren
since there are no primitives in Kotlin
obtuse gale
Vouch
cinder flare
yeah that's like... what I said
jovial warren
mainly because of the no promotions, but they also don't have bitwise operators, or a way to declare them in literals
obtuse gale
well you know who else is a nice guy? you! <a:luckpet:780321763392356393>
Oop 😳
cinder flare
okay, so how hard would it be for my boys at JetBrains to add autopromotion?
lunar cypress
they could have had bitwise operators though
prisma wave
haKjell good Kotli bad btw
jovial warren
they could have had bitwise operators though
yeah ik
prisma wave
okay, so how hard would it be for my boys at JetBrains to add autopromotion?
It was intentional afaik
cinder flare
fucklin what
cinder flare
why would it be intentional if they don't provide any substitute
lunar cypress
the substitute is just being explicit
jovial warren
I remember souza making an argument about how bitwise operators aren't important because they're not used very often
cinder flare
the substitute is just being explicit
that's like, the whole reason kotlin exists: to make a less explicit java
the #1 thing I show to people considering Kotlin is how much smaller a typical class is compared to java
jovial warren
which is BS, since they are used literally everywhere when it comes to networking and arrays and other low level stuff
like bit shifting is that much of a joke in Kotlin that I've considered writing it all in C and using JNI
or just writing it in Java and extending it in Kotlin
lunar cypress
bruh
jovial warren
like it's that bad
onyx loom
but then its not a minecraft server implementation written in Kotlin!
lunar cypress
just RIIR idiot
prisma wave
noooooooo
cinder flare
write in haskell then implement 🧠
jovial warren
shifts are meant to take precedence over & and |, but they often don't lol
jovial warren
just RIIR idiot
what?
lunar cypress
Rewrite It In Rust
cinder flare
bardy I want you to call up my boys at JetBrains and put in a formal complaint
prisma wave
imagine not being able to define custom operators and their precedence and associativity
lunar cypress
D:
cinder flare
D:
onyx loom
idk man
jovial warren
way overused
lunar cypress
dude you just started it LMAO
onyx loom
its pretty funny to me
prisma wave
If your language doesn't have let somewhere in its syntax sit down
serene cave
hello
prisma wave
HI
onyx loom
hello sir
prisma wave
Good to see you up so early Mr trump
jovial warren
I could write some native stuff in a native language and call it from Kotlin code lol
cinder flare
not funny anymore
bro just rewrite your humor in Clojure, it'll be fine
serene cave
Good to see you type Brister of Mitten
lunar cypress
I've considered writing it all in C
just kinda fed up with the "rewrite it in" jokes now
the duality of man
jovial warren
like anything that uses arrays and bitwise operations could likely be done 100x better in C
jovial warren
> I've considered writing it all in C
> just kinda fed up with the "rewrite it ...
lol
fair enough
cinder flare
are we all just gonna ignore my Clojure line 😭
onyx loom
yes
serene cave
Nobody wants a fun fact?
onyx loom
i do
prisma wave
no it's not
onyx loom
damn thats crazy
cinder flare
nope
serene cave
Yeah it's crazy i know
prisma wave
based trump
pallid gale
- Don't post any sort of NSFW content.
👀
serene cave
sry
cinder flare
you have been smitten
pallid gale
Also, stay remotely on topic
onyx loom
whats the topic today mr funnycube
prisma wave
Mr trump what do you think of clojure
cinder flare
whats the topic today mr funnycube
bullying bardy for his shortcomings
serene cave
Yes
onyx loom
wrong
lunar cypress
hasn't come through to his ivory tower yet
onyx loom
clojure on jvm = bad
serene cave
Cava
cinder flare
yeah wait what are my boy simon peyton-jones' thoughts on Java and the JVM? maybe even Kotlin?
prisma wave
hasn't come through to his ivory tower yet
Didn't he say lisp is right at the top?
lunar cypress
he spits on these corporate languages
prisma wave
wheres the functional programming to be seen in "java"
lambdas 🥲
BiConsumerCurryingService
lunar cypress
Didn't he say lisp is right at the top?
lol what do i know I haven't watched the video
onyx loom
🤨
serene cave
(DonaldTrump dt) => Donalod Trump
prisma wave
(DonaldTrump dt) => Donalod Trump
so true!
prisma wave
lol what do i know I haven't watched the video
That might have been someone else actually idk
cinder flare
AbstractDonaldTrumpFactoryBuilderHelper
serene cave
(Monad m) => McDonald
prisma wave
You are very strong mr trump
cinder flare
does he still play Fortnite?
cinder flare
nice
forest pecan
he's offline now
cinder flare
where does he even live now
compact perchBOT
cinder flare
dude who even cares
prisma wave
Dw guys I got this
cinder flare
good cover bm
forest pecan
@mellow valley @serene cave
dawn hinge
@Joe Biden
prisma wave
🥲
lunar cypress
me when I enter #dev-general
hot hull
Lmao Johnny
lunar cypress
Me when I enter #developer-chat
prisma wave
lmfao
cinder flare
where's #developer-chat huh
hot hull
#role-request And then you might get access to cool kids chat
prisma wave
you're not missing much
cinder flare
i wanna be part of the cool kids 😢
lunar cypress
Or you might get neglected and ignored
cinder flare
I already did!
jovial warren
"cool kids chat"
prisma wave
developer chat is incredibly dead
lunar cypress
hot hull
Almost as dead as my will to live
cinder flare
maybe it wouldn't be if I were there tho
cinder flare
I am quite the conversation starter
prisma wave
So they never ask for help there
jovial warren
yeah
cinder flare
well yeah but you can talk about your accomplishments!
imagine if Bardy showed off in a chat other than this one
the world would be a different place
god I wish I were considered a smart person
obtuse gale
well yeah but you can talk about your accomplishments!
oh yeah I have a whole list for them
cinder flare
back to the drawing board
prisma wave
obtuse gale
Accomplishments:
*
what
hot hull
:what:
prisma wave
??
jovial warren
someone tell me what I should do next in Krypton pls lol
jovial warren
thinking that block placing/breaking is a good idea
obtuse gale
I'm surprised you went to support add-ons before actually finishing it and making it work
jovial warren
yeah my priorities for this were upside down
ocean quartz
Why is #developer-chat blue for you?
prisma wave
Luckperms more important than block placing
jovial warren
efe you're not even in the chat
hot hull
Matt, he has the channel ID
hot hull
So it shows up blue
cinder flare
yeah my priorities for this were upside down
if I can't make my pixel art, that's a problem
obtuse gale
Why is <#346972410282508299> blue for you? <:thonking:379541184697204736>
it's blue on mobile
jovial warren
if I can't make my pixel art, that's a problem
soon™️
jovial warren
will start working on placing/breaking now
gonna look at how vanilla handles breaking lol
prisma wave
i cannot express how annoying this fucking lil yachty sound pack is
jovial warren
actually, I have to add a few things before I add placement
ocean quartz
Oi don't talk shit on it, it's great
obtuse gale
oh nice
prisma wave
-1 🥲
obtuse gale
at least 1 new message since 1969
prisma wave
maybe more
ocean quartz
*at least* 1 new message since 1969
69, nice
jovial warren
ocean quartz
Mum landing
cinder flare
bro KSP slaps
stuck harbor
I'll go play A Short Hike instead
cinder flare
no Developer role in my hand
lunar cypress
cinder flare
PHP developers curse the most understandable
forest pecan
java is too verbose
stuck harbor
mmmmmm
stuck harbor
ok use F# + emacs then
forest pecan
yeah one second im going to switch to matlab
prisma wave
ive taught you well
cinder flare
vim lmao
forest pecan
/s
lunar cypress
any tips for an emacs newbie iwan
forest pecan
switch
cinder flare
use vim
stuck harbor
any tips for an emacs newbie iwan
memorise the chords
lunar cypress
use vim
no ❤️
stuck harbor
all of them
cinder flare
my friend was talking to me about class registration and he was like "if I take this engineering coding class in matlab, will you help me?" and I was like "Ill have to help myself if we're talking matlab mate"
prisma wave
stuck harbor
y e s
stuck harbor
Sunday is cleansing day
I must cleanse myself of OOP impurities
by doing some clojure
lunar cypress
all of them
I've memorised most of the navigation commands, but it is quite a lot to remember lol
prisma wave
What's even the point of emacs
stuck harbor
to be good
prisma wave
Like surely a dedicated web browser would be better
Etc
Seems like it violates the Unix philosophy
stuck harbor
but vanilla doom is good enough in my experience
jovial warren
https://paste.helpch.at/memaqagoyo.java wonder how I should deal with this in Krypton 🤔
also, just admire that class name lol
jovial warren
according to Mojang, a gamemode is responsible for holding data about the block that's currently being destroyed lol
what we know as a "gamemode" is actually GameType in the code, but all the field names with type GameType I've come across so far have been called gameMode
jade kraken
Consistency 100
steel heart
💯
jovial warren
gotta think of how I'm gonna do it in Krypton though lol
tempted to use a fixed size array for the player's inventory
or something else with a fixed size
might wanna use a custom class though, since I want to be able to differentiate between special slots and regular inventory slots
jade kraken
whats krypton?
stuck harbor
haha
jovial warren
Minecraft server from scratch
stuck harbor
sinful pleb
jovial warren
jade kraken
oh wait u made it
jovial warren
yeah
hot hull
Change your name idiot
jovial warren
and that yeah
stuck harbor
the one called ?
jovial warren
yes
jovial warren
lol
jade kraken
there
stuck harbor
hehehe inventory
jovial warren
since I kinda have to for block placing/breaking
trying to think how I should design inventories
and creation of them
stuck harbor
squares
jovial warren
either data classes or an InventoryManager lol
stuck harbor
like this bardy
jade kraken
array of item
jovial warren
iwanio I swear
jade kraken
why do they have dirt in slot 1
stuck harbor
ultimate positioning
jade kraken
that is not pro minecraft gaming
half harness
well its a dia pick
jade kraken
slot 1 is sword, 2 is pickaxe, 3 is axe, 4 is shovel
jade kraken
well you need blocks
stuck harbor
no
jade kraken
oh ok
stuck harbor
sometimes i replace food with pots
stuck harbor
sh
jade kraken
hotbar[0]
jovial warren
lol
jade kraken
if(i==1) {
i = 1;
}
stuck harbor
mm
jovial warren
right, thinking about inventories, should the functionality to append items to the first free slot in the inventory use plus or plusAssign?
just trying to think of which is more logical
(inventory + item vs inventory += item)
dusk roost
does anyone know what version of deluxechat is for 1.8.8 compatibility?
jovial warren
if you *have* to overload the operators
I think it would be better to do so
so you can use inventory[index] = item, inventory[index], inventory += item, etc.
compact perchBOT
Deluxechat - Version List
jovial warren
trying to think if this should be backed by an array or a collection
lunar cypress
idk, I'm not a big fan of overloading mathematical operators where they don't have a mathematical meaning
jovial warren
I'd like to be able to use indexing and property access syntax on these if I can
lunar cypress
but ig you'd be consistent with the std lib doing it on collections
jovial warren
yeah
cinder flare
well, an array would be wasted space for whatever slots are empty
but it would also be quick and convenient
so I'm not sure
jovial warren
might actually scrap adding items and just allow getting and setting
cinder flare
lmao
jovial warren
that would be the easiest for working with arrays
but that's where I'm torn
since I basically need a fixed size collection lol
or a collection that can only grow to X size
lunar cypress
so... an array
cinder flare
possibly make a method that just puts them in whatever the first slot is numerical-wise?
jovial warren
yeah I was thinking that
cinder flare
and then you can work with each of the items nicely and slot stuff in when you don't care
jovial warren
I was just about to make a point about iterating over all the elements being slow, but inventories don't get bigger than like 56 slots anyway so that'll likely never be an issue
cinder flare
yeah especially in an array lol
jade kraken
what is an english
jovial warren
trying to think if I should throw an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException if the array is full for plusAssign
lunar cypress
trying to think if I should throw an `ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException` if the arr...
you shouldn't
cinder flare
yeah what
regal gale
I was just about to make a point about iterating over all the elements being slo...
I think spigot or nms can make it out of bound
cinder flare
you should return null or something
lunar cypress
the user didn't access any index, so don't make them handle this
cinder flare
if there's no slot for a full inventory, return null as the slot assigned to the item
then it's an easy-peasy null check
jade kraken
or return the item
jovial warren
fair
cinder flare
well I presume he'd return the slot it was placed in...
jovial warren
I'll just return without doing anything then I guess
cinder flare
that would be more useful than the item they already have lmao
regal gale
Are you really gonna make a out-of bound row top inventory though...?
jovial warren
right, now should the inventory implementations be data classes in the API or in the server 🤔
I want an inventory API that doesn't suck lol
Bukkit.createInventory ain't gonna cut it
eternal compass
btw are you gonna write a totally custom API ontop of your server, or just have the internal server use the API?
jovial warren
btw are you gonna write a totally custom API ontop of your server, or just have ...
the API I'm writing rn is from scratch
somewhat based off of Bukkit but with absolutely 0 singleton access
eternal compass
I'm basically asking if you're gonna use an NMS type thing internally, or have it all through the API
jovial warren
I'm going to expose everything I deem necessary to the API, and if you want to optimise for specific use cases, I'll document the server and release that as a dependency, so you can just do what you do with NMS and depend on the server
jade kraken
kotlin
eternal compass
cool
jovial warren
and the server end won't be really really terribly deobfuscated Minecraft server code either, since all of it is open-source lol
cinder flare
god I love open source
the day clip OS's all of his plugins is the day of our salvation
jade kraken
i wanna make so many things but then i realize that its already made
cinder flare
just make it, but better than the others!
jovial warren
should I allow contains checking with ItemType as well as with ItemStack or just with ItemStack?
actually this extends Iterable<ItemStack>, so you can use filter for that
cinder flare
look at you solving your own problems!
jovial warren
lol
right, time for an InventoryType enum lol
should I add a DOUBLE_CHEST entry? 🤔
jovial warren
jade kraken
while(player.isPlaying) {
player.scare()
}
oak raft
no this will be the best horror game ever made
jade kraken
scarier than roblox?
jovial warren
https://paste.helpch.at/ecodisadaf.makefile I feel like this is going to be useful
no more inventory BS that spawns projects like MF-GUI to fix the issues lol
you can create inventories of arbitrary size within the API 😎
jade kraken
how would that owrk
jovial warren
you create the object and show the inventory to the player
jade kraken
so if u made one of size 5 for example then what would happen
jovial warren
e.g. ```kotlin
val player = // some player
val inventory = CustomInventory(16, player, InventoryType.CHEST)
player.openInventory(inventory)
something like that
jade kraken
what happens if the size isnt a multiple of 9
jovial warren
gonna actually check if the client and/or the protocol require that or not
might create a way for you to change the slots per row or something
jade kraken
u could do something like fill the rest of the slots with unmovable black glass panes or something if thats required
jovial warren
I mean, doesn't the game itself support inventories with less than 9 slots?