dev-general

[cinder flare]

also imagine being allowed to use Java 15

[jovial warren]

ew

[cinder flare]

I'm scared to use Java 11 things, I dunno if my prof is using Java 6 or not bro

[ocean quartz]

Basically

[cinder flare]

every lambda is a risk

[half harness]

so like if (someVar is Clazz: newVar)

[cinder flare]

no

[ocean quartz]

That's KT dkim what the fuck are you doing

[lunar cypress]

that's exactly what java does now, but what's the benefit

[jovial warren]

this is dkim we're talking about here lol

he says he prefers that over Kotlin's smart casting

[half harness]

🤔

[cinder flare]

over smart casting?

im so scared

[jovial warren]

listen dkim

[lunar cypress]

it's easier to implement but in terms of usage? there's really nothing bad about smart casting

[jovial warren]

there is literally 0 reason to not want smart casting

[half harness]

but

[jovial warren]

literally no possible reason

no buts

[half harness]

ok

[ocean quartz]

No, i want to hear the reason, but what?

[half harness]

nvm

[jovial warren]

if you don't want to use properties from the new object, you just use them on the new object

e.g. ```kotlin
if (sender is Player) {
sender.sendMessage("Hello!")
}

I don't even think casting allocates any extra memory on the stack

[cinder flare]

why would it

just change the type easy peasy

[prisma wave]

CommandSender has sendMessage 🥲

[ocean quartz]

Shhh

[jovial warren]

it's an Audience, ofc it does

[ocean quartz]

@half harness Audience is an Adventure thing

[half harness]

oh

[jovial warren]

well adventure docs broken

also, is it just me or is treating all gamerules as a string annoying lol

I mean, the only other option is a data class that wraps them all separately

and level.dat seems to treat them all as strings

[lunar cypress]

there is no different reference types on the stack level

they're all just one

[jovial warren]

yeah

[lunar cypress]

in fact smart casting probably doesn't do anything whatsoever

it just verifies it at compile time

[jovial warren]

doesn't really need to, yeah

since I would've thought casting would be free, as you're not even doing any conversion

[lunar cypress]

it's not completely free in regular casting because of the checkcast instruction

[jovial warren]

since the type you're casting to is generally the actual (or a parent) of the runtime type

[lunar cypress]

but in the case of smart casting the compiler can prove that the type is correct in that scope and thus no checkcast should be needed

[jovial warren]

yeah

also, one thing I do kinda miss from Java is the ability for all primitives to kinda just work together

e.g. ```kotlin
val byte: Byte = 1
if (1 == byte) // error - cannot compare byte with int

BS like that

terrible example, ik, but you get the point

[cinder flare]

just don't use bytes

yeah

wait does that work in java?

[jovial warren]

bytes are extremely common at the network level

you can compare a byte to an int in Java iirc, yeah

[cinder flare]

I'd think integer literals shouldn't be comparable to bytes

[jovial warren]

they're primitives, basically interchangeable

I think

[cinder flare]

hmm

no primitives in kotlin eh

[stuck harbor]

well just use clojure

[cinder flare]

everything uppercase

[stuck harbor]

no objects

😉

no need for 'em

[ocean quartz]

Code in JS, no types

[stuck harbor]

code in typescript, too many types

[cinder flare]

haha

[jovial warren]

no primitives in Kotlin

[cinder flare]

code in haskell, everything is function

every time I say it, I want to learn more about haskell

[jovial warren]

the compiler is smart enough to turn the objects into primitives in bytecode though, but they don't exist in Kotlin

[cinder flare]

see that's what im saying

no need for autoboxing /unboxing when you have no primitives ;)

[jovial warren]

er...

yes there is

[cinder flare]

wdym

[jovial warren]

it still compiles to JVM bytecode remember

[cinder flare]

the whole point of autoboxing is upgrading int to Integer

well yeah but I mean to the end user

we don't have to worry about that :)

[jovial warren]

man, valhalla is gonna be really useful at destroying collection (un)boxing

[cinder flare]

valhalla?

[pale shell]

maven is horrible it won't accept kotlin one bit

[jovial warren]

valhalla plans to allow primitives to be used in generics iirc

[forest pecan]

it does

maven does accept kotlin lol

[jovial warren]

https://openjdk.java.net/projects/valhalla/

[cinder flare]

I mean I don't see why we even have primitives

[pale shell]

I have 0 clue how to do it gradle just accepts it

[cinder flare]

why not make everything a capital boi like Kotlin, for consistency

[jovial warren]

primitives are actually very useful

[forest pecan]

bruh

if you have 0 clue

why are you saying its trash

lol

[ocean quartz]

Kotlin with maven is a nightmare

[forest pecan]

yea it is

[jovial warren]

yeah Kotlin + Maven != good

[pale shell]

gradle it goes in straight away

[cinder flare]

to the end developer? the only reason the difference exists in java is C precedent and their refusal to allow operator overloading

[jovial warren]

not true

[cinder flare]

I see no reason why everything shouldn't be a capital boi

[half harness]

kotlin + gradle == good

[jovial warren]

primitives allow you to avoid the runtime overhead of a class on the heap every time you want to use a number

[cinder flare]

bro to the end user

they can do primitives on the spooky compiler side all they want

but why should I need to know the difference

[pale shell]

https://i.imgur.com/FdKnoKA.png i can't load any kotlin files from in here

[jovial warren]

src/main/kotlin doesn't work with Maven btw

[pale shell]

you joking

[jovial warren]

nope

[cinder flare]

yeah you just put it it the java folder

i was gonna say

[stuck harbor]

who would use maven & kotlin

[pale shell]

whyyyyyy

[stuck harbor]

thats fuckin' stupid

[jovial warren]

src/main/java only

[pale shell]

ughhhhhh

[cinder flare]

get a load of this guy, eh?

[stuck harbor]

u need to put kotlin code in the java folder for maven

[forest pecan]

you can just change the sources folder

[stuck harbor]

lol

[forest pecan]

in maven

[stuck harbor]

maven is 20 years behind

[forest pecan]

you dont have to always make it src/main/java

you can specify in pom

[stuck harbor]

you can specify one

[forest pecan]

yea

[cinder flare]

the only cool thing about maven is that its build file is named pom

[stuck harbor]

so its src/main/kotlin or src/main/java

not both

[jovial warren]

Gradle is the future of JVM build tools

[stuck harbor]

yes

[lunar cypress]

it is a reasonable design decision to not shove a bunch of magic in your compiler
If primitives hadn't been planned on the language side to begin with, the JVM wouldn't have turned out the way it is

[jovial warren]

Maven is just yesterday's news lol

[cinder flare]

gradle is the future of everything build tools. it compiles C/C++ better than makefile ever could dream

[stuck harbor]

clojure isn't gradle supporting tho

cmake!

cmake!

aaaa

[lunar cypress]

sure you can use gradle for clojure

[ocean quartz]

Gradle could definitely be better though
Specially the API

[lunar cypress]

I bet there is a plugin

[stuck harbor]

well probably

[jovial warren]

Kotlin DSL > Groovy DSL

[stuck harbor]

but its not common

[pale shell]

so i have to put all kotlin files with the java files?

[jovial warren]

yep

[cinder flare]

I mean do you use Kotlin? End users can't directly access primitive types and it's great! Again, I see no reason besides your arbitrary fear of "don't shove a bunch of magic in your compiler" when the compiler literally does so much crazy stuff already

[stuck harbor]

if you want to use maven, yes

[forest pecan]

you can specify a path in the pom

[lunar cypress]

javac doesn't do any crazy stuff at all

[forest pecan]

maven was built for Java only really

[cinder flare]

I'm 100% sure it optimizes a bunch of stuff

[jovial warren]

yeah javac is very plain and boring in the way it functions

[cinder flare]

and using primitives is just yet another optimization in Kotlin for instance

[lunar cypress]

It barely optimises anything

[cinder flare]

okay well

maybe not javac

but like the C compiler and optimization levels

[jovial warren]

most of the optimisation is done by the JIT compiler, not javac

[cinder flare]

that shit is crazy

[forest pecan]

it does magic

[cinder flare]

so it could be like that!

[jovial warren]

because yes, Java is compiled twice

[cinder flare]

the simplification of types is for everyone's best interest

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/Rihy.gif

[lunar cypress]

The difference between java and kotlin is that java came first and the JVM was initially written for that language. What kotlin does wouldn't be good design if they controlled the JVM

that is my point

[cinder flare]

I'm 100% sure they would have a way to store numbers and stuff without the overhead of classes lmao

[lunar cypress]

yes they would

but it's too late now

[cinder flare]

To the end user, there shouldn't be a difference is my point

[old wyvern]

Does compileClasspath also include the implementations?

[jovial warren]

yes

[lunar cypress]

yes I agree

[cinder flare]

oh

nice

[jovial warren]

anything in the classpath at compile time is in the compile classpath lol

[lunar cypress]

that won't change the fact that the system was made over 20 years ago and it is the way it is now

[cinder flare]

oh yeah no I get that

[jovial warren]

implementation was literally only created so Gradle could split compile into api and implementation, that's it

[old wyvern]

Yea Elara VM to change the industry

[cinder flare]

I'm praising Kotlin for abolishing the arbitrary lines between primitives and classes when your usage of them remains the same regardless of how they're stored

[stuck harbor]

BEAM

[lunar cypress]

and if they'd considered all the things everybody's considering now back then the JVM would have been completely different

[cinder flare]

oh yeah, Kotlin had 30 years of hindsight to work with and it shows haha

[lunar cypress]

I mean look at CLR

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[cinder flare]

lets get the KVM, throw out java altogether

[jovial warren]

lol

the entire market of Kotlin is based on Java interop

[old wyvern]

Damn, but wait, wouldnt implementations be what we actually want to fetch?

[old wyvern]

Kotlin does have a native runtime

[jovial warren]

@old wyvern

[lunar cypress]

You can see what Java would have become if they'd known the (agreed upon) problems before creating it by looking at C#

[old wyvern]

Thats not what im asking bard

[ocean quartz]

Bardy that's not what we're talking about

[jovial warren]

implementation shows up in compile classpath

[oblique heath]

what

C# was made to resemble java, not the other way around o.O

[jovial warren]

I swear Java came first

yeah

[ocean quartz]

I don't think so because implementations are shaded by shadowJar while we need it to be compileOnly or compileOnlyApi since it'll "be available" at runtime

[cinder flare]

yeah but they improved upon it is his point

[lunar cypress]

you are misreading my message

[jovial warren]

compileOnly appears in compile-time classpath but not runtime classpath

[cinder flare]

He's saying Java would've been better designed if they had the hindsight of being able to look at how C# improved on the design

[jovial warren]

ah

also, C#? improvement?

wtf?

[old wyvern]

Wouldnt that also end up us trying to download stuff that should actually be present only at compile time

[oblique heath]

well i'd say that probably holds true for any language tbh

[lunar cypress]

in the areas we were just discussing, yes.

[old wyvern]

There must be a way we can prevent shadow to not shade specific stuff

[jovial warren]

true

[lunar cypress]

look at how c# handles primitives and generics

[jovial warren]

C#'s conventions though are fucked lol

[stuck harbor]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/official-php-git-server-targeted-in-attempt-to-bury-malware-in-code-base/ 👀

[old wyvern]

Debatable

[jovial warren]

does C# not do type erasure?

[lunar cypress]

it does not

[old wyvern]

baked types bard

[cinder flare]

do not get me started on opening squiggly bracket on a newline

[jovial warren]

not just that, the naming

[lunar cypress]

but that's not even the only thing I mean

[ocean quartz]

No because we'll be looking for the configuration slim(or a better name) which extends compileOnly instead of going for all
Something like slim "group:id:version"

[cinder flare]

bro can you remove your embed thanks

[stuck harbor]

no

https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/113838

[old wyvern]

ahh

Any luck with that working?

[stuck harbor]

i never remove embeds

[cinder flare]

yeah I don't like the capitals at the start either. but I will literally murder someone over the squiggly bracket syntax

[ocean quartz]

Trying but gonna have to fix an issue with my pc, it crashed installing Nvidia driver 😬

[old wyvern]

😬

[stuck harbor]

use amd

foss drivers

[cinder flare]

bro wtf

[onyx loom]

die

[ocean quartz]

Buy me the Graphic card and i'll swap

[onyx loom]

no

[tranquil crane]

[stuck harbor]

👏open👏source👏driveeers

[onyx loom]

thats not an option matt

[cinder flare]

$20 and you get a nice amd card that'll catch fire

[onyx loom]

stick with nvidia 👍

[stuck harbor]

why would u buy frm nvidia

[jovial warren]

lol

[stuck harbor]

literal shit

[jovial warren]

read up

[onyx loom]

??????

[cinder flare]

iwanio, you know how much I love open source software. and I buy nvidia for a reason

[old wyvern]

GForce gang

[tranquil crane]

I did read it

[old wyvern]

Speaking of which

[stuck harbor]

ive used nvidia cards

[errant geyser]

GeForce Yugi ffs

[half harness]

what is a good language to learn besides java/kotlin?

[stuck harbor]

all shat out on my

[old wyvern]

I need to update my drivers as well

[stuck harbor]

absolute shit

[old wyvern]

Go

[cinder flare]

Nvidia cards are the only option, I'm not even joking

[stuck harbor]

they were not the dog's bollocks

[old wyvern]

Elixir

[errant geyser]

^

[old wyvern]

Haskell

[half harness]

does Go have a IDE?

[old wyvern]

C++

[old wyvern]

Yes

GoLand

[half harness]

ooo

[errant geyser]

GoLand

[half harness]

what about c++?

[cinder flare]

CLion

[old wyvern]

Also need to renew my students license 🥲

[half harness]

🥲

[stuck harbor]

everyone gets a jetbrains ide

use .net?

[errant geyser]

I just did mine

[stuck harbor]

use rider.

[half harness]

i dont think haskell has ide... is there a plugin for it?

[cinder flare]

or ReSharper if you're forced to use Visual Studio

[old wyvern]

It is much of a hassle?

[stuck harbor]

github student pack gang

[old wyvern]

Yes

[errant geyser]

Not at all

[stuck harbor]

illegal

[old wyvern]

It has one, but better to not depend on it too much

[lunar cypress]

since when are you recommending c++

[half harness]

hmm

[cinder flare]

oh you like AMD but not Visual Studio lmao

[stuck harbor]

only use c++ if u can't use rust

[old wyvern]

I mean its nice to know

[cinder flare]

thought poor taste would go hand in hand haha

[stuck harbor]

yes? i use good software

and good hardware

[half harness]

c++, haskell, or go

[cinder flare]

now that's funny

[half harness]

which one

[old wyvern]

It wouldnt be my language of choice, but just in case you need it, might be something to just know to use

[stuck harbor]

i have an amd cpu and gpu, they have lasted me for years

[old wyvern]

C works as well

[half harness]

what language is most common?

[stuck harbor]

better than wintel with nvidia could do

[cinder flare]

my 1070 has lasted me since 2016 and it's still going strong bro

[half harness]

like i know c# is for unity

[onyx loom]

javascript

[lunar cypress]

definitely not worth the effort for that reason

[cinder flare]

I have had nothing but problems with amd drivers

[old wyvern]

C++ is just used a lot in cp

[stuck harbor]

u on windows?

[cinder flare]

yep

[stuck harbor]

there u go then

[cinder flare]

???

[errant geyser]

I have a 1050Ti and its still got no problems gamerino. My AMD CPU i also can't fault

[cinder flare]

nah AMD makes great cpus

[stuck harbor]

the linux drivers for amd are open source

[onyx loom]

amd cpus after 2016 good amd gpus bad

[cinder flare]

okay and?

[stuck harbor]

so therefore

they are good

[cinder flare]

if they're fucking dogwater I don't care

they're not

that's the problem

[stuck harbor]

they aren't?

ive never had a problem with them

[old wyvern]

js? python?

[cinder flare]

and my Nvidia card works amazingly on Linux and Windows

Arch gang for life bro

[stuck harbor]

with proprietory drivers?

[cinder flare]

yep!

[stuck harbor]

you are fake

[cinder flare]

not at all

[half harness]

is there a language for like controlling rpi thingies?

[stuck harbor]

yes

[cinder flare]

Nvidia is a company I have a lot of faith in

[half harness]

what is it

[cinder flare]

AMD as well, just not for GPUs

[stuck harbor]

never have faith in a corporation

[half harness]

i have a rpi, why not use it 🤷

[errant geyser]

Thats called anything you want because a pi can run whatever you want

[cinder flare]

raspbian kinda slaps bro

and it's based on Debian

so I like it like, 10x more

[old wyvern]

python comes with it by def as well

[stuck harbor]

a pi is best with python

mhm

[half harness]

i forgot exactly what it was, but isn't there like a board that u can connect

then u can control lights

and stuff

[stuck harbor]

it has GPIO pins

so yes

[half harness]

what languages can i use to control?

[cinder flare]

i mean kinda yeah

[stuck harbor]

any dkim

[half harness]

oh

even java?

[stuck harbor]

any with libraries for gpio output

[cinder flare]

arduinos are more useful for that kinda stuff

[stuck harbor]

presumably, if u were insane

[half harness]

wot

[stuck harbor]

this

[cinder flare]

but yeah I ran a java discord bot off my raspi

[half harness]

me too

i run

[cinder flare]

had to get a weird version of java tho

[prisma wave]

did someone say haskell?

[cinder flare]

kinda fu nky

[half harness]

not ran

🙂

[half harness]

wot

[half harness]

uh

[stuck harbor]

noh

[errant geyser]

Thats called a breadboard

[cinder flare]

yeah you gotta get minimal java or whatever

they don't use the normal openjdk's

[stuck harbor]

u can build a pc on a breadboard

ben eater reference time

[half harness]

yesss

[cinder flare]

awe yeah

ben eater gang

[half harness]

i forgot about it

i knew it had a weird name tho lol

[cinder flare]

just think baguette and wires

[half harness]

mines probably super dusty

[cinder flare]

breadboard

[half harness]

are breadboards "fragile"?

[errant geyser]

No

[half harness]

if so, mines probably broken :p

[cinder flare]

not really

[half harness]

oh

niceee

bc mine hasn't really been getting good care

[errant geyser]

Mines been dropped loads and it still works fine

[cinder flare]

they're just solid material that you put wires in and stuff

[half harness]

hm

i remember i wanted to use a while ago

but then didn't feel like figuring it out

since u have to put it in like specific spots

[cinder flare]

i mean yes, that is how electricity works

[half harness]

i wish u could just put led in slot 5 and then do like slot5().active() ez

[prisma wave]

🙂

[stuck harbor]

hehe

[errant geyser]

If u wanna get into all that a Pi Pico is a great start - it's like £5. Or an Arduino. Pis are good but usually used for more intensive tasks that an Arduino couldn't do

[cinder flare]

very nice

[half harness]

hm

i just wanted to use it bc i have it and didn't want it to go to waste

plus i dont want to buy something else and then lose interest again

[cinder flare]

Arduino is a microcontroller, mostly hardware based. a Raspi is a mini computer basically, more targeted towards computer things in a small package rather than basic wiring stuff

[errant geyser]

That's what I was trying to say

[cinder flare]

yea

[half harness]

so this is how u connect breadboard to pi

wait what

[cinder flare]

looks like it yeah

[half harness]

then whats this

[cinder flare]

a non-complete circuit

[errant geyser]

That's just 5v in to the breadboard, and ^

[oblique heath]

that's a leash for your raspberry pi

so it doesn't run away

[half harness]

wot

[oblique heath]

that doesn't do anything either lol

[cinder flare]

yup

[half harness]

what is that red thing at the top for 👀

[cinder flare]

you know how electricity works dkim?

[errant geyser]

power

[oblique heath]

xd

[half harness]

lol

no but

[oblique heath]

you need to complete the circuit

[errant geyser]

Red is 5v, blue is ground.

[cinder flare]

it's gotta be in a loop at all times

[half harness]

lol

i know that 🙄

although this is

interesting

[cinder flare]

then how do you not understand why that wire is necessary to complete the circuit lmao

[half harness]

because this image

doesn't have the wire

[cinder flare]

yeah and it doesn't do anything

[half harness]

oh

[cinder flare]

I presume this is a step-by-step instruction list

[half harness]

lol

[oblique heath]

probably because they're showing you step by step how to make it ^

[half harness]

ok 👌

why did i think it said haskell and not russell 😫

[oblique heath]

good

it's already taken hold of you

[half harness]

noo

[errant geyser]

Pis and breadboards are proper sick. I have a knockoff Arduino called an Elegoo Uno R3 with a massive kit full of parts. It was like £20 if u wanna look into it

Works with all the Arduino software

[half harness]

👀

[cinder flare]

I definitely had to read that 3 times to not say "piss" in my head as the first word

[errant geyser]

You're sad.

[cinder flare]

me or dkim?

[errant geyser]

dkim

[cinder flare]

oh nice

[half harness]

noooooo

[obtuse gale]

dkim that's depressing

[half harness]

😦

[half harness]

i thought u said theres no specific software/language

[cinder flare]

Arduino has its own IDE kinda thing

and it's own version of stripped-down C++

that's what thienbao has been suffering with, losing std::vectors and everything

[half harness]

oh

[obtuse gale]

it's really just a text editor...

[errant geyser]

Arduino has a bit of software called the Arduino IDE you can use for ease

[half harness]

what exactly can arduinos do?

[obtuse gale]

that so called IDE the only thing it does for you is compile the program with available libraries, the code writing itself is just on a text editor

[half harness]

or can they do everything 👀

[oblique heath]

lots of things

they're basically souped up microcontrollers

[obtuse gale]

it's a microcontroller so it's a fantastic bridge between the electronic and programming world

[half harness]

oooooo

[errant geyser]

this ^

[half harness]

lol i just find it so strange that i wouldn't be here if i didn't click on Codedred's "How to code a spigot 1.15 tutorial" in my recommended

[errant geyser]

I can't even remember why I'm here

[half harness]

o

i literally joined hc the 3rd day of coding

[cinder flare]

oh it's already day 4? 👏

[half harness]

yep 🙂

and im already tier 5

:D

[cinder flare]

im on my way buddy

[half harness]

with 0 boosts 😤

[cinder flare]

if i had the funds, I would be using boosts rn lol

[half harness]

lol

[cinder flare]

though I dunno, I kinda like the blue name more than the purple

[half harness]

what if u could convert boosts -> money 👀

[obtuse gale]

I loved that blue :(

[cinder flare]

I mean I bet there's a vanity role, no?

like the V vanity role

[obtuse gale]

mhm

literally me lol

[half harness]

wot

[obtuse gale]

leftover from when I was booster

[half harness]

ur not even booster

oh

[forest pecan]

wot

oh

i forgot to add it

when i was boosting

😭

[half harness]

oof

😭

[cinder flare]

alright that's it, it's sleepy time

gn friends

[half harness]

i literally just went on my pc

lol

[obtuse gale]

Nap time

[cinder flare]

no bed time

[oak raft]

sleepy time is a good time

[orchid otter]

guys

we should give up being devs

I mean like

there are people who have been at this since 2012

theres no hope for us

look at mcmarket

[surreal quarry]

lmao

[orchid otter]

there are so many tryhards

freelancers

[surreal quarry]

then become a tryhard

[orchid otter]

who are taking all the customers

we are hopeless

how

[surreal quarry]

thats not even remotely true

[orchid otter]

they've been at this since 2012

yes it is

go on mc market

[surreal quarry]

i've been doing this for a bit over a year and get clients

you're looking in the wrong places

[orchid otter]

oh yeah wheres the right place

edxactly

[surreal quarry]

#816184744797929522 is a good place

[orchid otter]

nowhere

[surreal quarry]

spigot has some good offers

[orchid otter]

HEY

why did my request get removed

[ocean quartz]

McMarket is a mess

[surreal quarry]

you probably used the wrong format or something idk

[old wyvern]

I mean like
there are people who have been at this since 2012```eh

There are people who have been at this since way longer than that 🤷

[surreal quarry]

I'd just like to interject for a moment.

nvm im too lazy

[old wyvern]

oh ok

[surreal quarry]

lol

[orchid otter]

I feel like there are so many better things WE could do with java

then apply them to mc

[surreal quarry]

then go do it

you can do anything

no one is making you do mc stuff

[half harness]

hm

[half harness]

speaking of this

am i a good enough dev to put in #816184749752188958 👀

[surreal quarry]

sure

[orchid otter]

no

only I am

jk jk

[half harness]

aaaaaaaa

[old wyvern]

Give it a go, why not

[half harness]

isn't it 1 every month?

[surreal quarry]

just put your portfolio, experience, etc. doesn't matter how good you are.

[half harness]

i dont have a portfolio-

[surreal quarry]

if the client doesn't like you they won't pick you

start making one

[half harness]

uh

i dont have a domain ;-;

[orchid otter]

im kind of scared of minecraft

[surreal quarry]

you don't need a domain really

[orchid otter]

the monsters scare me

[half harness]

and i dont even have a year of exp ;-;

[old wyvern]

Use github pages

[orchid otter]

endermen scare me the most when they have their mouth open

but also spiders

and the sound zombie make

[surreal quarry]

#minecraft

:)

[orchid otter]

#bot-commands

: )

[surreal quarry]

anyone wanna make facebook 2.0 with me real quick

[old wyvern]

The sinking communist ship

[surreal quarry]

should only take like 10 min

[old wyvern]

yes def

mhm

[orchid otter]

WHAAT?

im an anti communist

[old wyvern]

10??

2 mins

[orchid otter]

im an anarcho capitalist

[surreal quarry]

yea sorry. i tend to overestimate just in case

2 is probably more accurate

[old wyvern]

yea

[orchid otter]

alright back to what i was saying

the way the minecraft monsters

they just LUNGE at you

like they rush at you

[old wyvern]

Sir, this is #dev-general

[surreal quarry]

no one cares

[orchid otter]

it's so creepy

i'm not a sir

[surreal quarry]

Ma'am

[orchid otter]

and yes this is #dev-general

[surreal quarry]

this is #dev-general

[orchid otter]

stop being cisnormative please

[old wyvern]

Sirette*, this is #dev-general

[orchid otter]

guys stop mocking my gender

your hurting my feelings

[surreal quarry]

I'm sorry. Which one do you identify as?!?!

[orchid otter]

she/her

[old wyvern]

A ship! A ship!

[surreal quarry]

So ma'am was correct?

[orchid otter]

yes it was

but it was a guess

[surreal quarry]

LOL what

[orchid otter]

you cant assume just because someone isn't a male

that they are a female

there's something called no nbinary

[surreal quarry]

statistically i can

[orchid otter]

no you can't

[surreal quarry]

100% of the times i have tried it has worked

[orchid otter]

there are non binary people

[old wyvern]

#off-topic

[orchid otter]

gender is a spectrum

why do we keep posting random channels

[surreal quarry]

ok

[orchid otter]

#placeholder-api

[surreal quarry]

because you should go to #off-topic

as this is no longer on topic

[orchid otter]

why should I go there

[old wyvern]

because you are taking about random topics in a channel dedicated to talk about developement

[surreal quarry]

because this is #dev-general

[orchid otter]

ok fine

lets talk about development

so guys

I think ive found the solution to p vs np

[surreal quarry]

lmao

what is it

i was thinking it might be 3

[old wyvern]

Time travel, kill turing

[orchid otter]

public static void main(String[] args) {
  System.out.println(OtherClass.PvsNPSolution);
}

Now all you have to do

is create a static string in another class

where you put in the solution

but I trust you know how to do that

[surreal quarry]

i'm very new to java

could you show me

[orchid otter]

very new to java you say?

[surreal quarry]

i was gonna do that with react

[orchid otter]

anywya

what reward do I get for solving p vs np

can I get the beep boops role

[surreal quarry]

yes

[orchid otter]

alright give it

[surreal quarry]

solution first

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-good-great-excellent-like-gif-4987000

[orchid otter]

scroll up

[surreal quarry]

dyno trash

[orchid otter]

ok

give me beep boops please

I solved pvs np

[old wyvern]

lol

[surreal quarry]

have you solved pvpnp

[old wyvern]

pvpnp?

[surreal quarry]

pvpnp

[onyx loom]

have u solved world hunger

[orchid otter]

I solved P VS NP

public static void main(String[] args) {
  System.out.println(OtherClass.PvsNPSolution);
}```
Now all you have to do
is create a static string in another class
where you put in the solution
but I trust you know how to do that

give the beep boop

i solved it

@surreal quarry

hello

is anyone there

[tulip glade]

Not only does it make no sense, but you're pinging people because of it brother

[jovial warren]

wait what

what is p vs np

[tulip glade]

That ain't a proof 😂

All problems can be categorized as "able to solve efficiently" and "not able to solve efficiently"

P is the "able to solve", NP is the "unable to solve"

[orchid otter]

yeah

[tulip glade]

Example of P would be a math problem, we have systems to quickly solve them

[orchid otter]

and the solution is in a string

in another class

you're just calling it

[tulip glade]

Example of NP would be chess, where the solution doesn't have a system

[orchid otter]

the string contains the proof

DIOXIN

the string contains the proof

[tulip glade]

You didn't show the premise, we have no idea what the string is

[orchid otter]

yeah

im letting you do that much

i trust you are able to create another class

[tulip glade]

Letting me prove it?

[orchid otter]

with a static string

dude

i wrote the main class

you're just writing the side class

we all know the main class is harder

dont take al the credit

give me some credit for solving P vs NP

it's pretty obvious how to create anotherClass with a static string

if you dont know how to do that, dioxin

go back to w3schools

[tulip glade]

class OtherClass {
    public static String PvsNPSolution = "Titanic is right, he solved it";
}```

Oh dang

You're right

[orchid otter]

no

thats not it

no

no no

you have tomake the string the solution

and the proof

go ahead and do that

very simple task

[forest pecan]

why are there green ppl speaking here

im used to seeing purples or oranges

/s

[orchid otter]

stop being racist please

[forest pecan]

lol

rankicsm

[orchid otter]

roleism

[forest pecan]

tiercism

[orchid otter]

anyway

[tulip glade]

Signs of a dead chat 👀

[orchid otter]

Dioxin

can you do the task

and then send me the code

on jithub

[tulip glade]

I did

[orchid otter]

alright send me it

[tulip glade]

It was just in a past life

[orchid otter]

on jithu

[tulip glade]

Can't, sorry

[orchid otter]

send me

the fucking code

on jithub

do it now

or else

I am going to be very mad at you

[tulip glade]

public class PequalNP {
    public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
        Class cache = Integer.class.getDeclaredClasses()[0];
        Field c = cache.getDeclaredField("cache");
        c.setAccessible(true);
        Integer[] array = (Integer[]) c.get(cache);
        array[132] = array[133];

        System.out.printf("%d",2 + 2);
    }
}```

There you go

2+2=5

All problems solved

[orchid otter]

thats very difficult for me to understand, dioxin

would you mind breaking it down a little

@tulip glade

[tulip glade]

Can't, thats fundemental. P=NP be complex

[orchid otter]

no

it's not

i was able t solve it

[orchid otter]

can you send me this on jithub btw

i want to import it into eclipse

and run some tests

dioxin

hellooooo

[tulip glade]

https://gist.github.com/discorddioxin/d827550630b32bb72001399bf54b20ea

[orchid otter]

you just pasted it

SEND it to me

im going to sue for libel btw

this is just not cool my guy

[forest pecan]

it works lmao

i already knew about it for a while

[tulip glade]

https://ideone.com/tTYEiK

Java caches Integer objects within the byte range

The code just modifies that cache

Err... I mean... P = NP

[ocean quartz]

Wait @old wyvern I'm stupid
CompileOnly isn't runtimeClasspath xD

I wonder why Shadow added it

[old wyvern]

wdym matt

[ocean quartz]

When i tested it the dependency was compile path but still got shaded

[old wyvern]

wait what xD

lol

[jovial warren]

there's no way you solved that

[tulip glade]

I was assuming this was a joke

[ocean quartz]

Ayy it worked, no longer gets shaded! ;p

[obtuse gale]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-miss-you-did-not-understand-gif-8722137

[half harness]

lol

[tulip glade]

If I solved that, I probably wouldn't be here right now. I'd be swimming in a bath tub full of dollar bills

[jovial warren]

-_-

god damn it

every fuckin' time

[onyx loom]

pdm remake? 🤨

[jovial warren]

PDM rewrite soon™️

I wanna add support for more platforms and clean up the codebase at some point

[prisma wave]

Same

[jovial warren]

also, maybe we should rename it

[prisma wave]

There is one issue

I cba

[ocean quartz]

basically

[obtuse gale]

classic

[jovial warren]

not the Plugin Dependency Manager

the Project Dependency Manager

https://tenor.com/GwPo.gif

[onyx loom]

hmmmmmm

[prisma wave]

hmmmmmmmm

[jovial warren]

I mean, it can literally support anything

[prisma wave]

I mean downloading dependencies in something that isn't a plugin isn't very common

[prisma wave]

It already can

All it needs is a file and an URLClassLoader

[obtuse gale]

And Java 8 🙂

[jovial warren]

and a system that doesn't break on Java 16

🥲

which we can probably do with jar in jar

for certain projects at least

[prisma wave]

Wait...

[jovial warren]

for certain platforms like Sponge, Velocity and Krypton, we can just use addToClasspath

[tulip glade]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Classloader#JAR_hell

[jovial warren]

what

[prisma wave]

couldnt you just make a child ClassLoader which exposes addURLS, and then use that?

[obtuse gale]

nothing, he just wanted you to wait

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/GwPo.gif

[obtuse gale]

that's what the jar-in-jar bootstrap thing does lol

[jovial warren]

still need jar in jar on Bukkit and Bungee though

[prisma wave]

wat

why

[onyx loom]

omg bm got big brain ideas, now u just gotta add make it a reality!

[prisma wave]

yeah thats the boring part

[tulip glade]

🤷‍♂️

[jovial warren]

because we're not allowed to take control of the class loader remember

[prisma wave]

you dont need to

[prisma wave]

^

no reflective hackery needed

[jovial warren]

how are you going to load plugins though

you need to still have Bukkit load your code

[prisma wave]

yes

[jovial warren]

and the PluginClassLoader for Bukkit and Bungee doesn't support adding URLs

[prisma wave]

in on enable you do something like ```java
new PDM(this);

ez

[jovial warren]

surely though, lucko wouldn't've implemented jar in jar if it was that easy

[prisma wave]

idk

i cant think of any issues there

but classloaders confuse me

[jovial warren]

not sure if Bukkit will allow other class loaders loading shit into its memory

[onyx loom]

i can import my IJ settings into WebStorm, right?

[ocean quartz]

You should be able to

@old wyvern Also, kts support

[jovial warren]

yes

Kotlin DSL good

I mean, at least you get some decent highlighting

and you don't get any "method call is ambiguous" BS

[ocean quartz]

Kts is definitely better

[jovial warren]

hold on a minute

[onyx loom]

poggers yes u can

[jovial warren]

why did you react with a vomit face when I said I was switching Krypton over to Kotlin DSL then

and yes, I remember that lol

[ocean quartz]

Wut? I never did

[jovial warren]

I swear you did

[ocean quartz]

Find it

[onyx loom]

i wouldnt be surprised if he did

matt never liked kotlin dsl before i think

[jovial warren]

#dev-general message

https://tenor.com/xXvi.gif

[ocean quartz]

Not before, but i've been using for a while now

And was that supposed to be talking about gradle kts?
I thought you were talking about something else

[jovial warren]

"Krypton now going to superior Kotlin DSL"

[old wyvern]

PR

🙂

[jovial warren]

idk what kind of other Kotlin DSL you know that would suit Krypton but... lol

[old wyvern]

We have already begun the rewrite

xD

[old wyvern]

ayyyy

[jovial warren]

each platform should be in a separate module

[ocean quartz]

You keep talking about command kotlin dsl this event kotlin dsl that lol

[jovial warren]

true

[ocean quartz]

Yugi, should we have a separate configuration to allow it to be transitive?

[jovial warren]

I mean, in context though

[ocean quartz]

I didn't read anything else just thought you were talking about another one of those weir dsl changes

[jovial warren]

lol

DSLs good

DSL > builder

[ocean quartz]

Sometimes, for commands both DSL and builder suck

[jovial warren]

that's why I use neither

I mean, Krypton supports registering LiteralCommandNodes, but it's generally encouraged to use Command

just registering nodes directly with the dispatcher allows you to make commands with actual argument types and stuff

and coloured arguments

[ocean quartz]

This is so stupid, this means slimConfig extends from compileOnly but by reading the method it gives you the opposite impression

[old wyvern]

wait wrong quote

[old wyvern]

it should be transitive by default right?

[ocean quartz]

Well by default it's extending compileOnly which isn't transitive, but if we extend compileOnlyApi then it is

[old wyvern]

hmm

[ocean quartz]

Could have slim and slimApi or something like that

[old wyvern]

implementation is transitive right?

[ocean quartz]

No, api is

[old wyvern]

ah alright then it should be fine

slim and slimApi

[ocean quartz]

Gotcha ;p

[unkempt tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxkMpGWeSaQ

[half harness]

?

[hearty pebble]

Help please tell me how to make a colored shield in the deluxe menu, please

[ocean quartz]

#general-plugins

[prisma wave]

wiki BristerMitten

[obtuse gale]

https://wiki.bristermitten.me/where-to-get-configuration-help-in-help-chat

[prisma wave]

thank you!! 😊 😘 🥰

[forest pecan]

:gasm:

i wish i had my collection of gasm emotes

[prisma wave]

🧐

[ocean quartz]

Boost ;p

[prisma wave]

Im glad you don't

[hearty pebble]

Помогите пожалуйста подскажите как сделать цветной щит в делюкс меню пожалуйста

[obtuse gale]

now that's a lot of russian

enough for me to say that that's a lot of russian

[hearty pebble]

I don’t understand a little, I’m from ukraine just tell nbt that it doesn’t work

[obtuse gale]

This is the wrong channel, bud

#general-plugins / #general-plugins-2 is where you should ask

[ocean quartz]

@old wyvern Got some more progress done, the configurations work pretty nice, gonna start working on the task now, will PR later
Also some good news, Shadow will relocate the imports for us even if it's compileOnly, though how should we handle our relocations?
There is 2 options i can think of, A hook into shadow and get the relocations set there and figure which one to use or B have our own relocation option in the task and then "inject" those into shadow

[oak raft]

weird question matt but what keyboard do you use

[ocean quartz]

I have a Steelseries Apex M750

[hot hull]

Wakey wakey Matt

It's 5 am, time to get up

[ocean quartz]

4 am!

[hot hull]

Same shit

[oak raft]

what switches?

[ocean quartz]

QX2 reds

[old wyvern]

Relocation would need to be at loading right?

Also for the isolated one, im not sure if we even need relocations since it will load and use the one if its URL path

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, shadow would handle import relocation of the project then we'd save the path on a json file then on loading relocate the libs based on the info from shadow

True yeah

[old wyvern]

We can use those for the appendable one ig

The current plugin istn dependent on shadow right?

[ocean quartz]

Not yet no

[old wyvern]

Oh so might be better if we provide our own setting for relocation ig

That way shadow isnt a requirement

Altho

hmm

How easier would it be if we were to use shadow?

[ocean quartz]

I'd need to check, probably not terrible
Though yeah might be a good idea to have our own
Maybe have a relocator module that both the plugin and the lib can use

[old wyvern]

mhm

[ocean quartz]

Sounds fun to mess with ASM again

[hot hull]

Matt, I ended up using the item stacks hash to store and compare it

Actually works really nice

[ocean quartz]

Really? I wonder if that'd work better for the gui as well

[hot hull]

Perhaps

[hot hull]

One thing to note might be that if you have two identical items with different actions that will fail

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, too lazy to change anyways xD

Also holy shit, gradle has been indexing for 30 minutes

[hot hull]

Go sleep

[ocean quartz]

5 more minutes father

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-happy-darthvader-gif-4946439

[static zealot]

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[ocean quartz]

That's quite impressive

[obtuse gale]

"i have 2 friends on my server they just joined but when they join they have fly and pretty much op i setup the default group not to have all those perms but idk why they have op perms"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/241667244927483904/826622396278505532/unknown.png

[static zealot]

lmaoo

its really weird. how they have OP

[ocean quartz]

🥲

[static zealot]

there's so much pain

[ocean quartz]

@prisma wave What would be the equivalent to Class::new in Kotlin?

[static zealot]

OMFG. After all this time I finally got access to my root user on my dedi. Now time to see how to get access to my user

[distant sun]

"You can get a function instance for a constructor by simply using  ::ClassName, as if it were a factory function."

[lost forge]

Their friends must be hacking, those permissions look fine.

[hot hull]

When you finish an exam, and then you have to wait 35min to wait for others to finish, oh the struggles

[static zealot]

just leave

[static zealot]

hmm. that's kinda hard to not happen. Every developer hates their life. And every person is a programmer.

Yeah they might code in DeluxeMenus YAML but still. they're a "Coder" xD

[old wyvern]

Turing Complete DM when?

[cinder flare]

But you're still working, no?

[static zealot]

no

xD

I've quit after like 2 days

but I still feel the pain

after 3 months

[cinder flare]

Oh I see, long lasting impacts

[old wyvern]

ayy renewed jb license

I thought there was gonna be a review or something

It was just a email verification

[quaint isle]

Which of these URL structures makes the most sense / is considered best practice?

mydomain.com/apis/mycoolapi/v1/resource/method
mycoolapi.apis.mydomain.com/v1/resource/method
v1.mycoolapi.apis.mydomain.com/resource/method```
Or is this purely preference?

[distant sun]

first imo

[prisma wave]

Absolutely the first

[quaint isle]

Alright sounds good, thanks alot for the input you two xoxo

[quiet depot]

i mean

tbh

I prefer the latter 2

also without the apis. bit

just mycoolapi.domain

[prisma wave]

Perhaps

Something like ```
api.domain.com/v1

[quaint isle]

Oh maybe I should've explained this in my question: I run multiple small private apis on the same domain that's why I need the apiname to either be a subdomain or part of the path. So there wouldn't be just mycoolapi, but also myepicapi and myboringapi

and the domain itself is a regular website that's why I need it to be apis.mydomain.com or mydomain.com/apis 🙄

[old wyvern]

Maybe api.<api_name>.domain.com/v1 would do

or you could just skip the api sub I guess

just the api name

[cinder flare]

yeah I was gonna say

why even have api there