dev-general

[jovial warren]

link me

[hot hull]

That's cool

[stuck harbor]

mmhm

i can actually code with my laptop now

s t o n k s

my laptop only has 2.4 GHz sadge

[lunar cypress]

yeah my laptop also sucks

but looking at my current vps' stats I probably can't host it there

only about 4 gigs of RAM left

definitely too many java processes running there

[jovial warren]

wait what?

no source code on laptops?

👀

[hot hull]

Heh now you finally don't need a godly laptop to code properly

[stuck harbor]

u just need a godly computer

and a godly network connection

[hot hull]

Could probably host it on a dedi

[stuck harbor]

yeah

[hot hull]

Internet might be a problem but we'll see

[stuck harbor]

hehe

[hot hull]

The requirements some companies have these days are actually dumb

[unkempt tangle]

Anybody can help me out here

https://github.com/Aloento/SuperSpineViewer

I imported this project

translated all sysouts to english

But now the logger wont log those

[quiet depot]

like what?

[cinder flare]

I presume he's referencing the fact that some "entry-level" jobs require years of experience

[quiet depot]

oh

[cinder flare]

Of course, we could always rehash my opinion on the questions asked in tech interviews 🙃

[jovial warren]

38 files changed, 666 insertions(+), 243 deletions(-) ffs why does this always happen lol

[cinder flare]

is that in one commit? lmao

[jovial warren]

maybe

[cinder flare]

mmmm incremental commits

you know you can use IJ's git overlay to put some changes on different changelists, that way you can do commits like, per line?

[jovial warren]

what are those

[cinder flare]

it's actually very nice ngl

also, give me a drama to watch on Netflix please, I'm very bored

[jovial warren]

oh well, idrc lol

I'll bother about incremental commits later

[cinder flare]

true, you are the only one working on your project as it stands

[jovial warren]

also, I think there's two reasons why I can't do incremental commits lol

[cinder flare]

and you are making monumental changes in the entire structure of the program

[hot hull]

Nice number Bardy

[jovial warren]

1. I just straight up refuse to commit code that is half finished or doesn't work as I want it
2. I like to add features when I get distracted and then look at them and go "probably should've waited and put that in another commit, but I cbfa to stash those specific changes and move them over"

[jovial warren]

wdym

[cinder flare]

666 insertions :)

[jovial warren]

lol

[thorn herald]

lol

[cinder flare]

lmao

[quiet depot]

what's ur opinion

[jovial warren]

omfg I'm actually in that meeting lol

they have 0 protection

[cinder flare]

oh just that the questions like, google asks are pretty irrelevant to the actual job you'll have. which ties into my thoughts on standardized testing since that only tests your test-taking skills and not like, how good you are at doing your job or learning

[jovial warren]

https://i.imgur.com/2x4DHBo.png HAHAHAHA

lol

[cinder flare]

im confused, what meeting?

[jovial warren]

this guy accidentally linked to an online class

[cinder flare]

oh I presumed it was a phishing attack like the one in #off-topic like yesterday

[jovial warren]

and I can still see the link because no deleted messages get past me 🙂

[half harness]

BD

[jovial warren]

I wonder how long it'll be until I actually pass static code analysis

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/oZZh.gif

[half harness]

does discord like send u an email or anything

if they find out u use bd

[jovial warren]

they'll probably contact you if someone snitches

[half harness]

👀

[jovial warren]

but they don't really care all that much

it's like the one part of the ToS they don't care about

[cinder flare]

📞 hello, discord? this bardy guy is using BD i'd like him banned thx

[jovial warren]

lol

[hot hull]

When you finished school at 12am, and it's now almost 2pm and you still haven't gotten home

[jovial warren]

12 AM???

[hot hull]

Waiting on my second bus, which I hope shows up

[hot hull]

12pm*

[old wyvern]

Success!!

[jovial warren]

I was gonna say haha

[old wyvern]

Downloads and loads stuff properly

[hot hull]

These two always confuse me, cause it should be the other way around

[cinder flare]

I always think "12am is midnight, must be the other one"

[old wyvern]

12am is midnight

oh wait

I assume thats not what you meant

[cinder flare]

wot

if I'm thinking of noon, I think "12 am is midnight. therefore, noon must be 12 pm"

[old wyvern]

ah

yea I understood that wrong first

[unkempt tangle]

Anyone up to help me? ;C

[cinder flare]

I do not speak enough languages to help you lol

[hot hull]

I say we start banning people who ask for help without actually providing any sort of information

[unkempt tangle]

Huh

I did

scroll up

We should start banning people who dont scroll up

[hot hull]

Ah yes 50 messages above, when requesting help don't expect people to scroll to find your message, message links exist for a reason

[cinder flare]

or replying to yourself! :)

[forest pecan]

did anyone know this exists? https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/premium-resource-placeholders-identifiers/

[cinder flare]

oh damn you can tag your plugin jar with the user who downloaded it dang

[forest pecan]

if its premium, yes

[hot hull]

Yes Pulse

[cinder flare]

mmm drm

hate to see it

[hot hull]

pog

[cinder flare]

ooh is that the online IDE thing, but with the ugly default theme?

[stuck harbor]

oh yeah

its jetbrains projector

[hot hull]

Actually really neat

[stuck harbor]

aye

[half harness]

waaaaaait what

finally being able to run intellij on my laptop?

[stuck harbor]

yep

[half harness]

poooooooooog

[hot hull]

well that is that you have a decent dedi/pc to run it on

[forest pecan]

you need to host it

[stuck harbor]

u just need a beefy pc or server

[half harness]

wait what

:c

oh nvm

[cinder flare]

ooh self hosted? i like that

[hot hull]

The above is running on an i7 dedi, works fine so far

[cinder flare]

that a vps?

[hot hull]

dedi..

[cinder flare]

or you got a really sick pc yet a really terrible monitor

[hot hull]

stfu, don't diss my monitor

[cinder flare]

:)

[half harness]

whats the point of jetbrains projector then

if jetbrains themselves don't host it 😦

[cinder flare]

running it on your home pc so you can use it on your laptop on the go

[hot hull]

Why would they host it lol

[cinder flare]

i mean, could be the next google docs but for coding

maybe it's in the works and they're testing it on the public right now

[forest pecan]

could you run it on a ci and visit it that way

[half harness]

lol

[forest pecan]

lol

you could use aws services

[obtuse gale]

does it actually work well?

[hot hull]

Legit like a normal IDE

[stuck harbor]

yeah

[half harness]

halfway there

[stuck harbor]

stonks

[cinder flare]

premium spigot plugins are overrated, just sell your plugins for bitcoin on the black market

[stuck harbor]

aye

also premium plugins are pointless

[forest pecan]

ass

[stuck harbor]

since u gotta open source it

[forest pecan]

look at mine lol

i made 1 post about Main and stonks

😇

[cinder flare]

well I think the theory is that if you want support, you purchase it

if you don't, you can compile it yourself!

[forest pecan]

those people are usually dicks unless they actually want to contribute

[cinder flare]

though that does tend to bring the smooth brains to your discord asking stupid questions and all the smart people away from your discord since they compiled stuff themselves and don't want support

[half harness]

so obfuscate or os

[forest pecan]

there's people who literally ask developers to compile plugin code at a cheaper price

[half harness]

o

[cinder flare]

then sucks for them if they have problems eh?

im a big proponent of open source, even for a paid plugin

obfuscation and drm just end up hurting the customers you're trying to sell to

[half harness]

wdym hurting?

[cinder flare]

ever heard of Pro Tools?

it's the classic example of DRM going way too far

[forest pecan]

obfuscation is horrible

it makes your code run slower

it confuses error reports

[half harness]

what is DRM?

[cinder flare]

digital rights management

[forest pecan]

-6 -> -7

braincells

lol

[half harness]

..

[cinder flare]

stuff you do to try to stop people from redistributing your stuff basically

[stuck harbor]

proguard is okay imo

[oblique heath]

if(isPirated) {
Thread.sleep(Integer.MAX_VALUE);
}

[stuck harbor]

hehe

[half harness]

if i OS then people can just compile themselves

:p

[cinder flare]

Pro Tools is an audio editing software that is somehow the industry standard. They require you to literally insert a special USB into the computer you want to use it on and if you lose it or don't have it on hand? Sucks to be you. So pirates literally have it easier because they don't need the USB stick. Though they are losing market share quite quickly because there is a completely free WinRar-like style of licensing alternative called Reaper that is, like, actually a way better application

[half harness]

audio editing?

[cinder flare]

...

ya know, like music and stuff?

[stuck harbor]

who wouldn't use audacity?

[half harness]

i thought we were talking about plugins

[cinder flare]

I'm talking about the pit falls of DRM

[stuck harbor]

I thought audacity was basically the standard

[forest pecan]

theoretically, you could check the user's hardware id and store that

then check on loadup

if the id is correct or not

[stuck harbor]

you could

[forest pecan]

or ip

but it's hard

[cinder flare]

Audacity is great for editing short clips and such quickly, but it's not a DAW. you need more than audacity to make like full-length songs and such

[half harness]

they can just remove that since obfuscators are like $2k

[stuck harbor]

mmm yeah

[half harness]

and proguard sucks

[cinder flare]

DRM is really stupid in general

[stuck harbor]

digital audio workstation?

[forest pecan]

deobfuscation wouldn't help in this case

[cinder flare]

yes sir

[forest pecan]

lol

[stuck harbor]

k fun

[forest pecan]

either way, its crystal clear where you make the identifier

[cinder flare]

moral of the story, you should open source all your plugins even if they're paid, since you can literally get other people to contribute for free and earn you more money

[stuck harbor]

you could check the checksum, no?

to see if its been edited

[forest pecan]

Yeah

you could

[cinder flare]

you know how much money Clip has lost out on because DeluxeChat doesn't have hex support? and how many people wanted to help add it?

[forest pecan]

but that part could also be edited out

iwanio

lol

[stuck harbor]

well yeah

fair

[forest pecan]

you would need some sort of extra jar

to check

but that is going to far

[cinder flare]

or just don't care

[oblique heath]

that's what the FAWE team does iirc

[cinder flare]

FAWE isn't a premium plugin tho, is it?

[oblique heath]

the other plugins they make are

[cinder flare]

oh I see I see

[oblique heath]

like plotsquared is their biggest i think

but it's also OS despite being paid lol

[stuck harbor]

uwu plot squared

[cinder flare]

it's the best business model, cause all the smart people can use it for free if they can compile it, and also make it better for all the dumb people who just want a working plugin

[oblique heath]

yeah it actually is really smart

[stuck harbor]

I'll do it in clojure, nobody knows how to compile clojure

[cinder flare]

guys I accidentally bought a 12 pack of pepe's, and I just don't want to eat them

they're too sugary

[forest pecan]

pepe's?

[oblique heath]

peeps?

[stuck harbor]

pepe?

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-wink-pepe-wink-gif-18805786

[cinder flare]

im a little dumb okay

[forest pecan]

oh

i dont know why people eat those

[stuck harbor]

huh

[cinder flare]

i don't either they looked kinda good on the shelf but as soon as I got home and tried one it was a mistake

[forest pecan]

do you guys ever get grossed out from how sweet that shit is?

[cinder flare]

that's exactly my problem :(

[forest pecan]

no like seriously

i like candy and shit right

but like too much sugar

is just disgusting

[stuck harbor]

the fuck are those duck ripoffs

[forest pecan]

hes got a point

[cinder flare]

they're peeps mate

[forest pecan]

iwanio is a true deal. Buy iwanio for 10 bucks

[half harness]

ok

where do i buy

[forest pecan]

from my basement

[cinder flare]

i got mine at walmart

[stuck harbor]

wallmart

u mean fake asdas?

[cinder flare]

never heard of it

[stuck harbor]

asda, the superior supermarket

[oblique heath]

you can't just mash your keyboard and call it a supermarket

[cinder flare]

wdym mate, never been to kouyladla?

they got the best deals

[stuck harbor]

ha

[old wyvern]

etgjapierkgmaerg

[stuck harbor]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asda

u poopoos

[cinder flare]

ew delete embed poopoo

[old wyvern]

Isnt there a similarly named package manager?

asdf?

[stuck harbor]

asdf is a bad unfunny video series

[cinder flare]

maybe, but I don't stray from pacman and yay

[stuck harbor]

pamac

brew

[old wyvern]

yup

https://github.com/asdf-vm/asdf

[cinder flare]

ew brew

[stuck harbor]

shut

[cinder flare]

i love ruby as a language, but brew was a mistake to write in ruby

[stuck harbor]

hackintoosh

[cinder flare]

just run linux mate

[stuck harbor]

shut

[cinder flare]

basically the same thing but you get a real package manager

[stuck harbor]

I've been doing xcode stuffs

[cinder flare]

bruh AppCode gang all the way

also can we talk about how Clip just updated NoFlyZone for the first time in 5 years

[oblique heath]

yum is the superior package manager

they had to nerf it because it was so good

[stuck harbor]

whaaaaaaaa

[cinder flare]

no it ain't

yum is gone

reduced to atoms

[oblique heath]

:'(

[cinder flare]

dnf is the new overlord

[stuck harbor]

yuck

[cinder flare]

also red hat big overrated

[oblique heath]

i'll take it

[old wyvern]

🥲

[stuck harbor]

just stop using fedora

[cinder flare]

oh dear god

[stuck harbor]

me

also, snap?

snap

[cinder flare]

yeah that's what I was appalled at

canonical big bad

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-snap-parks-and-rec-parks-and-recreation-chris-pratt-gif-5468594

[cinder flare]

red hat big bad, taking away our centOS

[old wyvern]

Whats wrogn with snap?

[stuck harbor]

centos always has, and always will be, absolute shit

[stuck harbor]

wrogn

[old wyvern]

wrong*

There you go

[cinder flare]

https://hackaday.com/2020/06/24/whats-the-deal-with-snap-packages/#:~:text=Mounted snap packages on a,before they can be executed.&text=It's clear how this problem,as more snaps are installed.

that amongst other things

also canonical bad company

if you're gonna run an apt-based system, at least run Debian

[stuck harbor]

debian can suck my ass

[cinder flare]

:(

why

[old wyvern]

apt-based system?

[stuck harbor]

apt package manager

[cinder flare]

ya, ya know the package manager apt that's on all debian derivatives?

[old wyvern]

ah

[cinder flare]

Debian, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Pop!OS, etc.

[half harness]

never happened to me before :))

[stuck harbor]

if u need to use ubuntu, use manjaro

the AUR is sooooo much better than the snap store

[old wyvern]

Im using kde neon

[stuck harbor]

I'm using kde plasma/i3 depending on how I'm feeling

[old wyvern]

I see

[cinder flare]

i like how those aren't very comparable but yes I love yay and pacman

i don't see how using kde neon matters lol

you can use that on any distro

including arch >:)

[old wyvern]

I was replying to his asking me to use manjaro?

[cinder flare]

you can use kde neon on manjaro

[old wyvern]

Arent they different distributions?

[cinder flare]

oh shit KDE makes a distro

I presumed it was an older version of Plasma lmao

[old wyvern]

lol

[cinder flare]

okay ya never mind, I guess if you're using that lol

still, another arch boi is always welcome :)

[old wyvern]

Nah, this is doing me fine atleast for now. Only using it to slowly get used to linux

[forest pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLgLt-KWAn8

[cinder flare]

i love doing that to my straws

[half harness]

wot

[cinder flare]

presumably in reference to Yugi using an ubuntu-based distro?

or maybe just randomly

[forest pecan]

dkim if you dont understand this

you will literally drop 5000 braincells

lmfao

[hot hull]

@ocean quartz wakey wakey, wasn't this what you were using and it worked properly? Cause for me it doesn't work at all

[half harness]

please stop

[cinder flare]

oh god no squiggly brackets for that if statement, it hurts me

[hot hull]

It's in a loop, only acceptable place for 1 liners

[half harness]

lol

i always have squiggly brackets

even for 1 liners

just easier to read for me

[cinder flare]

and it stops you modifying it and accidentally messing it up

[hot hull]

Same, that's one exception tho

[cinder flare]

it's google java convention

[half harness]

it just looks so.. 🤢 when ppl do this: ```java
if (something)
doSomething();

imo

[jovial warren]

yeah that is bad

I properly abuse one-line if statements lol

[half harness]

ive seen someone make a commit just to fix that in a PR before lol

[cinder flare]

good

[jovial warren]

I use one line if statements anywhere where I use a single statement that can fit on a single line

[half harness]

by fix = put that

[cinder flare]

bro don't, IJ does that for you

[half harness]

it used to be java if (something) { doSomething(); } but now its ```java
if (something)
doSomething();

[jovial warren]

e.g. if (config.server.tickThreshold > 0) WatchdogProcess(this@KryptonServer).start()

[half harness]

whats the point of the @?

[cinder flare]

if you put squiggly brackets, IJ will move it up to one line

[jovial warren]

because it's in a runBlocking

[half harness]

but like why does kotlin do that

why not just a simple return

[jovial warren]

so I have to tell it to reference the server this rather than the runBlocking receiver parameter

[jovial warren]

wat

[half harness]

wait what

[cinder flare]

lmao

[half harness]

can u give example

[jovial warren]

I mean, I've just noticed that I don't even need that anymore, since start isn't runBlocking

[hot hull]

What the

[jovial warren]

but say I do this: ```kotlin
fun start() = runBlocking {
return this@KryptonServer
}

[cinder flare]

inb4 I make a PR on Krypton where I solely run IJ's code reformatting

[jovial warren]

this@KryptonServer references the KryptonServer that start is contained within

[hot hull]

8 space indentation plz

[jovial warren]

this references the receiver parameter of runBlocking

[half harness]

wait

[jovial warren]

leave

[cinder flare]

jesus christ

[half harness]

is it possible to return out of a while thing?

[jovial warren]

if you replace my one line if statements that fit within a single line I will find out where you live

[half harness]

but not out of the method?

so basically a break

but kotlin doesn't support breaks in while

[cinder flare]

normal arrow code ```>

frosty's arrow code ```>

[jovial warren]

@half harness no

[half harness]

my arrow code ```

[hot hull]

bruh have you seen any of my recent code? There's no arrow code at all

[jovial warren]

you still ain't getting it dkim

someone please explain labels to this noob

[cinder flare]

nope, just commenting on the insanity of 8 space indentation lmao

[half harness]

😔

lol

kotlin is so much more different than java than i thought

[cinder flare]

you can label things then target statements at them, like a break to break out of the second level up of a for loop if you have two nested ones

[stuck harbor]

'insanity'

u mean normality

[cinder flare]

😠

[hot hull]

bruh everytime I start compiling my discord just dies, probs good time to start compiling on a dedi kek

This seems to work for nbt

[cinder flare]

it's cause your monitor can't render that many pixels for the IJ render screen and discord at once xD

[ocean quartz]

Your case is different you don't need to mess with the meta, i had because it was in a builder

[ocean quartz]

If the if statement is small it's totally fine to one line it

[cinder flare]

I know, but it can lead to errors that are hard to track down when you add to that if statement and it doesn't execute how you think it will

There's a reason the Google Java spec always requires squiggly brackets

[sweet cipher]

Brackets can be added if the statement is expanded though

Adding brackets to a continue is kind of pointless

[forest pecan]

i actually hate not adding brackets for conditionals

cause it reminds me of python

[old wyvern]

matt, any luck with the gradle plugin?

[cinder flare]

IJ can one line it for you, and again, if you add anything you might forget to add brackets and it will break things

[sweet cipher]

wdym one line it for you

[forest pecan]

google format is actually nice

[cinder flare]

everything except for 100 character breaks, yeah

[forest pecan]

yea

well 100 character makes sense

cause for some computers

screen isnt big

[cinder flare]

fuck them

[forest pecan]

lol

[cinder flare]

150 is where its at

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/ZASTpWj.png

[sweet cipher]

That looks ugly to me

[cinder flare]

safety and condensed readability!

[sweet cipher]

How is that safer

It does the same thing

[cinder flare]

...

[cinder flare]

.

[forest pecan]

i prefer it with lines

[stuck harbor]

condenss

[sweet cipher]

If you add brackets might as well make it three lines

[hot hull]

Where are the finals!

Disgusting

[forest pecan]

^

[stuck harbor]

no final here

I like using memoru

[cinder flare]

stupid CS 1410 project lmao, I did it in less than an hour

[hot hull]

Also ew imagine naming param same as variable

[ocean quartz]

I'll disagree with that, like i said only very specific situations, like if (something) return etc
Or would you also do

val something = getSomething() ?: {
    return
}

They are virtually the same thing

[cinder flare]

It is three lines. IJ just minimizes it for you

[hot hull]

That's how you get real errors

[forest pecan]

you use this

[cinder flare]

How do you guys not understand that if you add lines, it won't execute correctly unless you go back and add squiggly brackets yourself

It's literally happened to me before

It happens to my professor like, every day lmao

[sweet cipher]

If you add lines then add braces, but usually lines aren't added to that type of statement I don't think

[cinder flare]

I mean, whatever way you want. It's your code, not mine lol

[ocean quartz]

A bit, I did some small things, mostly setting it up, I'll pr once i get out of bed

[cinder flare]

ooh level up!

[old wyvern]

awesome

Tested the rest with a random lib from central

working

[ocean quartz]

I mean obviously you'll have to add the brackets if you add more lines, that doesn't make it any more error prone at all

[cinder flare]

It's one more thing to forget!

[ocean quartz]

Ayy nice! Did you tes it in Java 16 as well?

[old wyvern]

Didnt rn, just tested on 8 and 11, ill try in 16 in a bit, forgot about that xD

[ocean quartz]

Not about forgetting, more about not paying attention
By that logic you should never do
fun something() = something either

[cinder flare]

I think it would be enlightening to watch you watch my professors code. Notepad++, poorly written code like that all over the place. You'd see where I got my caution lmao

[sweet cipher]

Well that is just what happens when you don't use an IDE

You are going to make more mistakes than that

[ocean quartz]

You are creating poorly situations to justify your point lol

[cinder flare]

An IDE won't warn you that your code isn't being executed correctly because of missing brackets

No, that is the situation I am in every single MWF for a few hours

Working with classmates on group projects is the worst as well

[sweet cipher]

Do you use notepad++?

[old wyvern]

It would warn you about unreachable code incase of return or continue statements tho

[cinder flare]

No, the professor does and I have to watch him make mistakes

[forest pecan]

lol

[cinder flare]

Very true, though it happens a lot in getters / setters he wants to add logic to

[forest pecan]

its a preference tbh. Use brackets when you want to for 1 line statements

[cinder flare]

Yeah, obviously I don't care what you do Matt. It's more about beginners and how hard it can be to spot those kinds of mistakes when you're just starting out

[ocean quartz]

Yes it will, if you have

if (something) return
somethingElse()

And you change to

if (something) doSomethin()
return
somethingElse()

somethingElse will be unreachable therefore an error

[sweet cipher]

Wait is this whole discussion about beginners?

[forest pecan]

lmao

[hot hull]

Y'all still debating this shit?

[cinder flare]

Well yes, as I said, mostly it happens with one-line getters and setters. Obviously unreachable code like that is a big red flag lol

[cinder flare]

I dunno man, I just want my xp 😢

[ocean quartz]

And i stated in the very beginning that imo the only acceptable use is like if break, if return, if continue, etc

[cinder flare]

My whole opinion on always using squiggly brackets stems from being in beginner classes in uni and watching people code poorly lol. I just tend to do it myself by now

[lunar cypress]

if (something) doSomethin()
return
```if you format your code like this you've got other problems

[ocean quartz]

Exactly

[forest pecan]

making arguments for xp lol

[cinder flare]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It works man

Look at how long Matt has been responding to me! I get so much xp and interaction time with him :)

[forest pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZc2obabTU

[ocean quartz]

You're turning into old BM

Doing everything for xp until he passed cube

[cinder flare]

haha. I'm not even trying yet, I'd need nitro for that

[sweet cipher]

We can start another argument.
Kotlin is useless and is much worse than Java.

[cinder flare]

😠

[sweet cipher]

Now defend your point

[old wyvern]

ooo

[cinder flare]

nah that isn't even an argument to have. there's good reasons for both sides of the squiggly bracket debate. not so on the usefulness of Kotlin debate lmao

[old wyvern]

I need 8k exp too

Ill be back in a few mins tho, keep going!

[forest pecan]

GUYS

Vanilla is BETTER THAN Chocolate

[old wyvern]

Will we get there today!!!

[forest pecan]

ARGUE

[forest pecan]

dont leave me!!

blue gang

:((

[sweet cipher]

We'll make an argument in every channel

[old wyvern]

🥲

[forest pecan]

don't leav me!!!

[lunar cypress]

I will probably be light blue forever and honestly that's ok

[ocean quartz]

I'd argue, but it'd take too long to type the Java code be because of the boilerplate ;p

[sweet cipher]

lol

[old wyvern]

Purple gang

[forest pecan]

lol

NOooo

[sweet cipher]

I haven't even used Kotlin so I can't argue

[forest pecan]

dont transofmr

[cinder flare]

I see nothing to argue, that's an agreeable statement

[forest pecan]

lol

[sweet cipher]

It depends what it is going with though

Like hot chocolate. Imagine hot vanilla?

[cinder flare]

I guess plain, Chocolate does have an advantage sometimes because of its distinct flavor

Oh I presumed we were talking about ice cream flavors haha

[ocean quartz]

And I'm stuck with the ugly orange 😩

[cinder flare]

nah bro, you're just spoopy all year-round! and I love it

[sweet cipher]

Just become admin

[ocean quartz]

😫

@old wyvern Gonna see if Gradle's unit test provid a way to simulate adding dependencies, that'd make testing the plugin so much easier

https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2021/03/kotlin-1-5-0-m2-released-ensure-smooth-migration-to-kotlin-1-5-0/

[cinder flare]

ooh is that the one with the new JVM compiler or whatever

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

I think the contract api will also be finally added in 1.5

[cinder flare]

que es contracts?

[forest pecan]

https://offlinemo.de/

lol

[sweet cipher]

"Any server you want"

[ocean quartz]

Similar to the annotation @Contract, currently it's experimental api

[cinder flare]

okay so pretend I don't know what @Contract does

[cinder flare]

"NO NO WAIT" it's like the sea of thieves meme

[forest pecan]

lol

@Contract basically is like nullcheck and also purity

[cinder flare]

okay so pretend I don't know what purity means...

besides like functional programming purity?

[forest pecan]

like the purity of a method

a method is considered pure if it has no influence from other shit outside the method

[lunar cypress]

it is exactly that

[cinder flare]

ah okay I see

so @Contract is just a promise that you won't change other shit and that it ain't null?

[forest pecan]

basically

lol

its a way for IDE's to help check

[lunar cypress]

there's also some other stuff

intellij already infers them in some cases I think

[cinder flare]

every day I get to use IntelliJ is another day I'm kinda happy to be alive

kinda

[forest pecan]

carbon.now.sh

😇

[lunar cypress]

Like in my last project I had a method that would fail with an excpetion if the first arg was false and it inferred @Contract("false, _ -> fail")

[ocean quartz]

Yeah they get infered in most cases, but sometimes it doesn't work fully

[cinder flare]

is that why it's still in beta or whatever? lol

[ocean quartz]

No, Kotlin's is slightly different, it's not an annotation

[cinder flare]

oh that's good, I always kinda hated annotations

[frail glade]

Yo wtf why did this trigger #plugin-updates message

[forest pecan]

carbon so pretty

[cinder flare]

yeah I was super surprised when I saw that but then I realized it was like, a whole year ago lol

[frail glade]

Yeah. Might've been a blip with spiget.

[ocean quartz]

An example of it is in the buildList function

[cinder flare]

Oh so it's like promising what you will do, that way you can allow for certain things. That's really cool actually

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

But experimental

[half harness]

what are these things called?

like the "Agree" thing

just curious 😛

[hot hull]

reactions?

[half harness]

oh

ok

[forest pecan]

hmmmm strahan

[heady birch]

@Contract annotation? why not just use if (null) {
Return;
}

[ocean quartz]

For compile time checks

[heady birch]

Why not use a language where compile time null safety is guarenteed?

Not to mention zero cost

[cinder flare]

Well contracts are usually for stuff other than null checks. I mean, Kotlin has a lot of null safety

[ocean quartz]

In fact the contract is what helps Java interop with Kotlin so Kotlin has easier time compile time checking Java

[heady birch]

"Java & kotlin developers hate this one simple trick..."

[frail glade]

Niall are you still planning on OSing KB3?

[ocean quartz]

In 2047

[half harness]

imagine not making it OS

[cinder flare]

I don't even know what that is, but fucking bet bro

[heady birch]

Prob not im afraid

[frail glade]

Of?

[heady birch]

🙄 Dad joke

it is my personal preference to keep it limited to a smaller of users to be honest

[cinder flare]

keep it smaller? hold on what is kb3 anyways

[heady birch]

it is manageable in current state in terms of support

[half harness]

kiteboard i think

[cinder flare]

oh shit really

[half harness]

idk

just a guess

[cinder flare]

that would be really nice to be open source

[ocean quartz]

I mean what would you need to change that would be so big if you open sourced it?

[heady birch]

hmm

[cinder flare]

Yeah I don't see what downsides open sourcing it would have. You just get the chance for other devs to give you helpful PR's and do work for you

[heady birch]

perhaps

[cinder flare]

@clip take notes 🗒️

[heady birch]

lol

[half harness]

accidentally pings clip

[dawn hinge]

Why cant I tag clip

[cinder flare]

you better believe I double-checked that bad boy was grayed out

[half harness]

imagine not triple-checking smh

matt

why are you typing

for so long

[dawn hinge]

@half harness hi

[ocean quartz]

I'm not

[half harness]

wha

[cinder flare]

5 paragraph essay on the awesomeness of open source stuff?

oh yeah it definitely showed you typing a few times tehre

[half harness]

You should open source, because you should open source, because you should open source, because you should open source, because you should open source, because.

[cinder flare]

you've heard of padding essays

[half harness]

lol

im not padding it

totally

[ocean quartz]

Very good argument

[half harness]

matt

ur typing again

[cinder flare]

i stg, that's the best part of uni. I only have to take one english class in 4 whole years

[ocean quartz]

I used to love English class

[cinder flare]

In 5th grade? lol

[half harness]

how

i hate writing

essays

and

[cinder flare]

I liked my 11th grade ELA class cause the teacher was super chill, we just read super cool books and that was it

[half harness]

paragraphs

🤮

[ocean quartz]

I didn't have English in 5th grade

[half harness]

o

[obtuse gale]

and whole sentences too apparently

[forest pecan]

your name lmao

[jovial warren]

@heady birch contracts aren't a replacement for code lol

[forest pecan]

wait when you are tier 5

[half harness]

correct

[cinder flare]

okay Matt way to ruin the joke, it was hyperbole 😢

[forest pecan]

can you change nick name

when you are t5

[half harness]

no

[jovial warren]

they just make it much clearer to the compiler what exactly it is that a method does

[ocean quartz]

You're welcome ;p

[forest pecan]

fefo

wot

[obtuse gale]

I just changed my nickname on discord

[half harness]

fefo changed username

[forest pecan]

o

[half harness]

i should be dkim19375❤️

[ocean quartz]

Remove the numbers

[half harness]

no

[cinder flare]

yeah I'd go for a simplification

[forest pecan]

im different

[half harness]

hm

ilikejavaandkotlin

[forest pecan]

dkim you are overkill with the digits

[ocean quartz]

Matt1564484

[forest pecan]

im different i only use 2

[half harness]

dkim1936721868371267368127361236712812

[forest pecan]

smh

[half harness]

ftw

[hot hull]

Just don't have any numbers at all

ez

[cinder flare]

more like ipsx or whatever your secret name is

[ocean quartz]

"What name should I have?"
hits head on keyboard
dkim19375

[half harness]

lol

best name

[cinder flare]

dude I'm so sad, I changed my name from Star to something else to test my discord bot once and I tried changing back and all Stars were taken, it made me cry ngl

[ocean quartz]

ipsk is a diminutive of a very old name I had on PS4 ipsyko

Which is still my spigot name

[cinder flare]

oh so it's like i psycho. i kinda dig that ngl

[forest pecan]

wtf

how did u

oh

lol

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[half harness]

this will be my new permanent username 🙂

[frail glade]

I believe in you Niall.

[forest pecan]

Niall reminds me of Nail

[cinder flare]

Though that is kind of ironic, considering you are like the calmest and most logical person I interact with on this discord lol

[forest pecan]

nah

@ruby crater is

[half harness]

what

you don't like it?

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/this-sucks-the-office-michael-scott-no-nope-gif-13574970

[half harness]

i wish t5 had nick perms

[forest pecan]

same

t5 only has timers

right

[cinder flare]

same

just got to tier 3, I'm movin up in the world bois

[half harness]

=remind me 2 hours "pulse doesn't have t5 lmao"

[compact perch]

New Reminder Set!

In 1 hour, 59 minutes, 59 seconds:

pulse doesn't have t5 lmao

Requested by: dkim1937520486#6351

[cinder flare]

bouta rob someone just to buy nitro to get more xp

[half harness]

oop

[ocean quartz]

Got the username when playing COD way back, jumped in the middle of 5 people and killed them all so my friends called me psycho lol
Ah good ol cod bo1 days

[cinder flare]

Damn I love that backstory. The character building in this season of HelpChat has been very solid ngl

same dkim

[ocean quartz]

Hell yeah

[cinder flare]

same

[half harness]

do u want to know backstory of my username

[obtuse gale]

No

[half harness]

ok

[cinder flare]

lmao

was it the face smashing on a keyboard?

[half harness]

Got the username when playing COD way back, jumped in the middle of 19375 people and killed them all so my friends called me psycho lol

Ah good ol cod bo1 days

[cinder flare]

lmao

[forest pecan]

@ocean quartz anyone who plays master yi

only league players understand the reference

[ocean quartz]

Basically

[cinder flare]

oh I understand my friend

[half harness]

u dont believe me? 😤

[cinder flare]

I understand

oh shit we awoke Blitz

[half harness]

oh jno

blitz

[cinder flare]

everyone boutta get helped in #general-plugins from the last 3 hours

[half harness]

dont look at my username

[ocean quartz]

Can't do that with my rusty pirate

[forest pecan]

lmfao

[static zealot]

My username has the best story. I was bored, Wanted to buy minecraft and couldn't decide on a username. So I was like "Gamer" is cool so I'll use that. Then I was like I should add something more to it so just randomly decided on blitz then I was like "I bet blitzgamer is already taken" so I added 88 to it

also at first it was with a _

but I gave that one to my brother

[cinder flare]

and now you just have a lot of Z's on the end cause you're a tired boi

[static zealot]

that's just the nickname

[half harness]

i hate how this one plugin has 50+ suggestions (from months ago) and now they pinged everyone to announce they spent the last 2 days making a new description for the plugin -_-

[static zealot]

I'm trying to change my most names to BlitzOffline

[forest pecan]

ZzZzzzzzzzzZzzZZZ
ZZ

[half harness]

and its not even open source

[forest pecan]

Z

[ocean quartz]

You can however do this @forest pecan 👀

[static zealot]

also the number of zs in my name is exactly 8

[cinder flare]

im glad you enjoy open source as much as I do, friend

[static zealot]

hehe

[obtuse gale]

Ew LoL

[half harness]

its also free

[forest pecan]

"Between 2 thighs"

[half harness]

plugin

[forest pecan]

LMFAO

[cinder flare]

should've been 88, you're uncommitted

[ocean quartz]

Best name ever

[forest pecan]

of course its gangplank as well

[static zealot]

well I tried changing it but couldn;t starmism

don't remember why

[cinder flare]

mhmmm

likely story

[half harness]

mmmmhmmmm

[static zealot]

either my boost has expired or discord doesn't allow that many characters

[forest pecan]

remember when nexus blitz existed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkjIYjw-MBs

[ocean quartz]

It was playable in december I think

[forest pecan]

when you somehow fuck up your ultimate

but

still gets a kill

lol

yea it was playable in december

[ocean quartz]

Also enjoy

[cinder flare]

pov: me when I play any champ with a ranged ult

[forest pecan]

Collector?

lol

[obtuse gale]

Lmao pulsebeat https://youtu.be/ztgb4uCjLXw

[forest pecan]

fu

lmfao

[ocean quartz]

Yup, only item that is that broken

[cinder flare]

omg what is that actually your channle

[half harness]

lmao

[static zealot]

ah yes clip just updated NFZ. smh barry https://i.imgur.com/4rnY2ZL.png

[half harness]

nooo theres no voice

[forest pecan]

the thumbnail tho

lol

[ocean quartz]

Lmao

[static zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/4rnY2ZL.png

[cinder flare]

lol that's what brought Glare out of hiding for a short moment

[static zealot]

wtf discord??

https://i.imgur.com/4rnY2ZL.png

where's my embed?

that's not an embed

[half harness]

https://i.imgur.com/4rnY2ZL.png

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/4rnY2ZL.png

[forest pecan]

i had a clash game where i got 40 kills on ahri

[half harness]

smh

[forest pecan]

i didnt record it tho

😦

for some reason i recorded my shitty game

[static zealot]

https://imgur.com/4rnY2ZL.png

[forest pecan]

but not my good ones

[cinder flare]

pulse is your name justin

and are you cracked at fortnite

[static zealot]

what it doesn't take direct images anymore?

https://i.imgur.com/4rnY2ZL.png

that's fucking trash

https://imgur.com/4rnY2ZL.png

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/NpJF1ia.png

works for me boss

[ocean quartz]

Likely an imgur issue

[static zealot]

are they i.imugr?

tho

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/NpJF1ia.png

[static zealot]

weird

[forest pecan]

https://youtu.be/i51dGbTMrH0

it was ranked also lol

that isnt me speaking

thats my friend btw

[ocean quartz]

Voice reveal

[static zealot]

anyways. random question. Does anyone know if you can get windows 10 for free anymore? I mean the installation. Not keys. of course

[forest pecan]

you can

you always could

[static zealot]

where from?

[cinder flare]

depends, how willing are you to break the law 👀

[forest pecan]

just download the disc file

https://youtu.be/3VU8k8tH8wU

[static zealot]

from where?

[obtuse gale]

Windows 10 is free doe

[ocean quartz]

You can, but

[obtuse gale]

The key isn't

Like for real lol

[static zealot]

I know it used to be free if you upgraded from 8 or something like that

but I can't find it anywhere

[cinder flare]

pro tip, it still is

are you on windows 8?

[static zealot]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

found it

lmao

[cinder flare]

yeah that's if you have windows 10 alreayd

[half harness]

=google windows 10 download

[cinder flare]

the media creation tool

[forest pecan]

If you wanna hear me speak watch this https://youtu.be/Bz2aRHzqAmg. But keep in mind i was playing shitty these games and im in vc with 4 other people

lol

[half harness]

who is u

[inner umbra]

Windows has always been free to download... you just have to pay for a license key.

[half harness]

r u the one saying

ReAdY

[forest pecan]

no

thats my friend

[ocean quartz]

Is someone busting a nut at 0:16?

[static zealot]

yeah that's what I knew as well. I just couldn't find the tool. found it now

[forest pecan]

LMAO

i didnt even notice

[cinder flare]

which one are you pulse

[obtuse gale]

Pulse is smexy ngl

[cinder flare]

is he the one saying baba boi

[half harness]

dkim voice reveal soon™️

[forest pecan]

no lol

[obtuse gale]

Lmfao

[forest pecan]

i cant do that accent

[obtuse gale]

I'd vc often if I wasn't ashamed of my shit pronunciation 🥲

[half harness]

I'd vc often if I wasn't constantly getting bullied in this chat 🥲 😢

[ocean quartz]

English pronunciation is too complicated

[cinder flare]

i like british accents

[ocean quartz]

You mean bri ish

[forest pecan]

lol

[cinder flare]

exactly

[half harness]

bri-ish

brish

brsh

bsh

sh

[cinder flare]

innit

[half harness]

gradle init

[cinder flare]

what does the british python developer say when he forgets how to start his program? "oi init innit?"

[obtuse gale]

The t just doesn't exist lol

[ocean quartz]

Dkim, a good advice, if you're sending a message with more than one line that is't part of the same message, don't

[cinder flare]

Don't

[ocean quartz]

Words like read and read mess me a lot in english because there are like no rules on how a word should be pronounced

[cinder flare]

ah yeah, you gotta understand the context and have experience with how sentences are formed with those

[forest pecan]

context is almost impossible to explain

lol

[cinder flare]

what about there, their, and they're?

[ocean quartz]

The only thing that bothers me about those is that only native speakers have issues with them
I pronounce all of them differently lol

[cinder flare]

wait really? lol

those are all the same to me

obviously not spelling wise, but if I were to read out that sentence out loud it would sound exactly the same

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, same for your and you're they are also pronounced differently

[forest pecan]

there is like a space between in you're

[cinder flare]

nah pronounced the same

[ocean quartz]

Yeah I pronounce them you are and they are

[half harness]

i say your

and your

pronounce same

[ocean quartz]

So you say wrong

[obtuse gale]

Bro where do you live

[half harness]

[obtuse gale]

Like

State

[cinder flare]

Utah

[obtuse gale]

O

[forest pecan]

probably why

lmfao

[cinder flare]

where would they pronounce it differently in the US?

[forest pecan]

you literally live in a dessert land

xD

[ocean quartz]

Is Utah also considered midwest?

[cinder flare]

yeah

[half harness]

usa

[forest pecan]

dafaq

[cinder flare]

kinda

[forest pecan]

usa isnt a state

lol

[cinder flare]

i dunno, but those like maps of what you call things are super cool to me

[forest pecan]

when i search up utah

[obtuse gale]

I mean pronunciation varies wiiiiildly across states in the US

[forest pecan]

i just get pictures of sand

and deserts

lol

[forest pecan]

yea in the South

Hollly

[cinder flare]

I mean Salt Lake City really isn't that much of a desert, it's pretty vibin

[forest pecan]

its much different

[cinder flare]

St. George though, it's all red rock and heat

[half harness]

🏜️

[ocean quartz]

Even between the north as well

[forest pecan]

Yeah

[ocean quartz]

I had difficulties understanding the more like strong Illinois accent

[cinder flare]

that map is very correct about my pronunciation lol

[forest pecan]

Omg

same

I use 3 syllables

[cinder flare]

Illinois accent?

[forest pecan]

and i live on the east

[cinder flare]

nah 2 syllables all the way

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[cinder flare]

bro we need to hop in vc and start saying these words lol

[forest pecan]

i mean i sometimes use 2 syllables when im lazy

cause its more lazier

lol

[cinder flare]

yeah 3 syllables sounds like a bri ish thing to say

so uptight

[forest pecan]

with 3 syllables its complex like ca rra mel

but 2

its just car mel

[ocean quartz]

Carra mel sounds better imo

[regal gale]

This should be an interesting word

[cinder flare]

nah mate, carmel all the way

[regal gale]

How would you pronounce "button"

[forest pecan]

the thing with car mel is that it brings up the "ah" sound

[half harness]

button

[cinder flare]

button? lmao

[forest pecan]

button lol

[prisma wave]

if you say carmel you should be shot to death

[half harness]

carmel > carra mel

[ocean quartz]

You mean pronounce? xD

[cinder flare]

no please sir

[regal gale]

Oh wait yeah

[prisma wave]

no mercy

[half harness]

oop

[cinder flare]

ooh you want a way to tell me apart from you guys

[regal gale]

"But-ton" or "buun" 🥲

[half harness]

buttt un

[forest pecan]

who uses buun

[ocean quartz]

Buun?
I pronounce it like buh ton

[forest pecan]

lmfao

if you use buun that sounds like a completely different word

bun

[half harness]

buh tin ftw

[cinder flare]

how do you pronounce Mountain

[half harness]

butincan

[forest pecan]

Moun tain

[half harness]

mount - in

[regal gale]

It only pronounce 1 sounding

[cinder flare]

I say mow'un lol

[regal gale]

Really unique

[forest pecan]

mow `un?

lol

[cinder flare]

yeah no T

[half harness]

`

[cinder flare]

it's the utah way

[half harness]

` < '

[ocean quartz]

Moun tan

[half harness]

you tuh or you tah

[regal gale]

I still go for "moun-tan"

[half harness]

for utah

[regal gale]

It sounds better

[cinder flare]

you-taw

nah the t in mountain is too much work to pronounce

[half harness]

lol

⛰️

🚞

[regal gale]

So how would you pronounce "didn't", "wouldn't"

[cinder flare]

normally