dev-general

[jovial warren]

cough KiteBoard (@heady birch) cough xD

[stuck harbor]

hehe

I'll port it if its FOSS

[cinder flare]

OpenBoard when???

[jovial warren]

when I have time not working on Krypton

[prisma wave]

haskell interpreter plugin

[stuck harbor]

does krypton have clojure binding?

idk kotlin

[old wyvern]

YES!

[stuck harbor]

very well

[cinder flare]

we could make DeluxeMenus using haskell! now that would be a dream come true

[prisma wave]

🤤

[cinder flare]

actually would that be a good idea

[jovial warren]

DeluxeMenus

https://tenor.com/WL0W.gif

[cinder flare]

programming languages tend to be kinda dumb for ui design and stuff

[stuck harbor]

deluxemenus krypton toml version

[old wyvern]

Kotlin and tornado fx

😌

DSLs all the way

[prisma wave]

not pragmatic

[old wyvern]

wdym?

[cinder flare]

my small amount of experience creating javafx ui's leads me to believe that a normal OOP lang isn't the way to go, it's just full of 10 calls in a row to set the color, name, size, position, etc.

[jovial warren]

lol

filtering 0's did pretty much nothing

[old wyvern]

You do realize it provides stylesheets right?

xD

[jovial warren]

other than break chunk loading

[old wyvern]

Why are you setting the color in java

[cinder flare]

stylesheets???

[old wyvern]

Yes

JavaFX allows a "form" of css

https://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/css_tutorial/jfxpub-css_tutorial.htm

And kotlin introduces a typesafe css dsl 🙂

[cinder flare]

are you saying

[prisma wave]

FSS functional style sheets

[cinder flare]

that this was avoidable

[old wyvern]

Yes

lol

[prisma wave]

lol

[old wyvern]

You only need to set the color in Java for some dynamic stuff maybe

[cinder flare]

frame = new JFrame();
        frame.setBounds(0, 0, 1000, 800);
        frame.setDefaultCloseOperation(JFrame.EXIT_ON_CLOSE);
        frame.getContentPane().setLayout(null);

        JPanel menuPanel = new JPanel();
        menuPanel.setBorder(new LineBorder(new Color(0, 0, 0)));
        menuPanel.setBounds(0, 0, 150, 400);
        frame.getContentPane().add(menuPanel);
        menuPanel.setLayout(null);

        hotelsButton = new JButton("Select Hotel");
        hotelsButton.setBounds(0, 20, 150, 40);
        menuPanel.add(hotelsButton);

        roomSearchButton = new JButton("Search Rooms");
        roomSearchButton.setBounds(0, 65, 150, 40);
        menuPanel.add(roomSearchButton);

        ordersButton = new JButton("Search Orders");
        ordersButton.setBounds(0, 110, 150, 40);
        menuPanel.add(ordersButton);

        insertButton = new JButton("Insert Books");
        insertButton.setBounds(0, 155, 150, 40);
        menuPanel.add(insertButton);

        JPanel titlePanel = new JPanel();
        titlePanel.setBorder(null);
        titlePanel.setBounds(174, 0, 710, 25);
        frame.getContentPane().add(titlePanel);```

[stuck harbor]

mmmmm

OOP

[winter iron]

whats the difference between logger and sj4llogger

[old wyvern]

SImilar to how you work with html,css and js

[winter iron]

or whatever it is

[stuck harbor]

one is better

[cinder flare]

yeah sl4j is where it's at

[stuck harbor]

but we will never say which is better

[cinder flare]

oh

[stuck harbor]

dangit

[cinder flare]

awkward

[winter iron]

why is it

[stuck harbor]

ur not supposed to

[cinder flare]

devs other than the java devs made it

[old wyvern]

bm knows I think

@prisma wave

[cinder flare]

so it's significantly more optimized in every way

[old wyvern]

He and piggy were talking about it a while ago

[old wyvern]

Are you saying James Gosling sucks? 😮

[cinder flare]

ayyy

had to google that one

[prisma wave]

What do I know?

[old wyvern]

#AntiJamesGnag

[cinder flare]

why slf4j is good

[prisma wave]

o

Uh

[old wyvern]

Better loggers

[prisma wave]

slf4j Vs java logging?

Or something else

[cinder flare]

ya

[old wyvern]

Yes that I think

[jovial warren]

okay I think ik why I'm loading so many chunks lol

I'm so fucking stupid I swear

[winter iron]

no cap

[jovial warren]

        GlobalScope.launch(Dispatchers.IO) {
            var chunkRegion = region
            for (i in 0 until server.config.world.viewDistance.toArea()) {
                val chunkPosition = server.worldManager.chunkInSpiral(i, centerChunk.x, centerChunk.z)

                val regionX = floor(chunkPosition.x / 32.0).toInt()
                val regionZ = floor(chunkPosition.z / 32.0).toInt()
                if (chunkRegion.x != regionX || chunkRegion.z != regionZ) {
                    chunkRegion = server.worldManager.loadRegionFromChunk(chunkPosition)
                }

                val chunk = chunkRegion.chunks[chunkPosition] ?: continue
                session.sendPacket(PacketOutUpdateLight(chunk))
                session.sendPacket(PacketOutChunkData(chunk))
            }
        }
```this is the code that loads chunks on join

now, think about it

[prisma wave]

Jesus

[jovial warren]

a region is 32x32 chunks

now, what happens if my player crosses 4 regions at the same time

how many chunks are loaded?

[winter iron]

more than needed?

[jovial warren]

4096

[cinder flare]

uh seems like 0 to the render distance

[jovial warren]

which could give you a maximum of 65536 sections loaded

[prisma wave]

slf4j has nicer API, better configuration support, and probably performs better or something

[cinder flare]

that uh, seems like a lot?

[jovial warren]

when we don't use most of those

[prisma wave]

I generally prefer it just because the method names aren't gross

[winter iron]

ok

[cinder flare]

what's your render distance man?

[winter iron]

ill accept that answer

[jovial warren]

so I think I have two options:
a) load each chunk separately, so we only load what we need
b) load the whole region and discard anything we don't need

[cinder flare]

wait wait wait

did you combine a group of chunks into a region?

[jovial warren]

I need to load (render distance * 2) + 1 chunks

[prisma wave]

Haskell has something for this in the standard library iirc

[cinder flare]

why not just load on a chunk by chunk basis

[cinder flare]

lmao what

[jovial warren]

that's how Anvil works

[prisma wave]

Haskell stdlib can do everything

[cinder flare]

dunno what anvil is

[jovial warren]

in MCA files (Anvil/region files), chunks are grouped into 32x32 areas

[cinder flare]

but that seems woefully inefficient

[jovial warren]

to avoid heavy file system access

[cinder flare]

oh I see

so can you just load a region into memory then discard the unnecessary chunks?

since they most likely can't see that many

[jovial warren]

that's option B

or A is I specify when loading a region which positions of which chunks I need and discard every one I don't need

[cinder flare]

so the question is when the discarding is done?

pre-emptively or after the fact?

[jovial warren]

what?

that made 0 sense

[cinder flare]

A is discard chunks as you load them, B is discard chunks after you load the whole region

[old wyvern]

wait for what?

[jovial warren]

yeah

[cinder flare]

that's what I said earlier lmao

[jovial warren]

I think A is probably my best option tbh

[cinder flare]

yeah seems like it

doesn't waste any memory

[prisma wave]

No idea

[old wyvern]

oh xD

[prisma wave]

Whatever bardy wants to do

[cinder flare]

though it might perform worse since you have to check as your laoding each chunk, as opposed to getting everything then cutting it back

[old wyvern]

Haskell can rewrite particles

Alchemy was born from it

[jovial warren]

I mean, it'd just be a simple in check

[old wyvern]

Easy greeks were Haskellers

Followers of the great Jones

[prisma wave]

Aristotle invented the pure function in 1603 BC

[old wyvern]

😮

[jovial warren]

I think the way I would do option #2 is calculate the spiral first and then give that to the region loading

option #1 I mean

not even sure how the hell I'd do option #2 with my whack

also, trying to think whether permanently loading the spawn chunks like vanilla does is a good idea

[jovial warren]

OMFG no way

first time BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

https://paste.helpch.at/ijesuculuf.php ez

still not getting GC'd but that should be an easy fix lol

exactly 882 chunks (at render distance 10, the client needs 441) on the heap

that's probably inefficient but it seems to be fast

okay caffeine has now been promoted above god tier

man, caching OP

just under a million longs isn't so bad

especially for 441 chunks

is it?

right, now what I want to do is make chunks load and unload after the initial load

[cinder flare]

7x less longs!

how many longs does spigot use?

[prisma wave]

approximately 2

[cinder flare]

oh

awkward

[prisma wave]

idk

give or take maybe a few billion

[jovial warren]

not sure

[jovial warren]

gotta figure out how to do the whole replace old chunks with new ones when players move around

actually that should be ez

I've gotta detect when the chunk coords are different, then move 10 in the direction the player is looking, starting at the player's new chunk position, then 10 either side, then load all of those chunks in that row, and then just do the same thing the other way and unload those

or at least, I think

when is it ever that easy though lol

[cinder flare]

is there not a way to get a radius of chunks from a player's position?

cause you could just check with every crossing of a chunk the new radius and unrender the oldies that aren't in it and render the new ones, no?

[prisma wave]

pi * r^2

[cinder flare]

ye

[jovial warren]

true

https://paste.helpch.at/bigoqituto.java here's how vanilla does it

(couldn't be assed to go through and rename that many variable and parameter names)

move is the method of importance here

line 652

[cinder flare]

damn I did not expect to see bit shifts lol

[jovial warren]

lol

that just divides by 16

[cinder flare]

yeah I realized that lol

[jovial warren]

I tested that in playgrounds

[cinder flare]

just didn't think about it

okay, summarize this

[jovial warren]

it's a real micro optimisation, but for this purpose, it's kinda worth it

summarise that method?

[cinder flare]

yes

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/bcUno.gif

[cinder flare]

like, is it a circle or what?

[obtuse gale]

if Java doesn't optimize divisions and multiplications by powers of two to bit shifts I will be incredibly disappointed

[jovial warren]

you expect that from the JVM?

[cinder flare]

lmao

[prisma wave]

it probably does at runtime

not at compile time

[jovial warren]

yeah

[prisma wave]

the JIT does some mad optimizations

[obtuse gale]

it do yea

[jovial warren]

isn't JIT where it's basically compiled twice?

[forest pecan]

double checking

[jovial warren]

so it's compiled to bytecode then compiled when it's needed at runtime?

[prisma wave]

yes

[cinder flare]

Just-In-Time™

[jovial warren]

right, anyway, can any of you help me break this down?

[obtuse gale]

Absolutely not

[cinder flare]

I wanted you to do that for me!

[jovial warren]

wow

wow

[prisma wave]

convert it into haskell and i'd be glad to help 🙂

[jovial warren]

if I knew Haskell, I would lol

[prisma wave]

ive sworn to never look at java code again

[jovial warren]

fine, I'll summarise it for you lazy bastards

[prisma wave]

lazy 🙂

haskell is lazy 🙂

[cinder flare]

oooh, apparently if a division has a negative number, java won't optimize with bit shifts cause it'll round dowdn or something

[prisma wave]

clever

[cinder flare]

in Java, -3 / 2 evaluates to -1, whereas -3 >> 1 evaluates to -2. So in this case, the compiler cannot optimize division by two by replacing it by a bit shift, when the dividend could possibly be negative.

Interesting that there's a whole wikipedia page about Division By Two lol

[jovial warren]

first, the for seems to iterate over the entities in the entityMap (not sure what that's used for yet) and provide some sort of update to some player(s)
then, we allocate a few variables (you can read these yourselves)
then it seems to check a few conditions

and that's about all I got up to

the absolute stuff and checking there went straight over my head

[cinder flare]

oh I literally already did that

lmao

[jovial warren]

SectionPos is a chunk section position

not sure what it needs chunk section positions for

seems to be updateChunkTracking that does the actual useful stuff

which calls playerLoadedChunk

which is the bastard we need

[prisma wave]

ok

[cinder flare]

i am never writing my own server implementation

this seems like hell

[jovial warren]

I thought Anvil was hell

[cinder flare]

at least when you're contributing to a project, you can refactor the shitty parts

mojang's gonna be this way forever

until we bring notch back from his mansion and he rewrites everything in kotlin

[jovial warren]

I mean, half of this we ain't interested in anyway

oh this is easy

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/HjtT.gif

[old wyvern]

Except in android, where they just decided AoT is the way to go 🥲

I guess Android runtime isnt exactly a proper jvm

[prisma wave]

for performance right?

[old wyvern]

Yea

[jovial warren]

I think it's time Krypton got something that literally every Minecraft server has

it begins with a T

[ocean quartz]

Tits

[jovial warren]

-_-

[prisma wave]

Taskell

[ocean quartz]

Tlojure

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/9p1d.gif

[static zealot]

Trauma

[prisma wave]

Totlin

[ocean quartz]

Tava

[jovial warren]

idiots

ticking

[static zealot]

Tidiots* ?

[jovial warren]

ticking

[static zealot]

TOh

TMakes tsense

[ocean quartz]

Make the server tick 40 times per second

[jovial warren]

blitz enough

[static zealot]

lmao

[jovial warren]

that literally wouldn't work

[ocean quartz]

Everything is possible if you try hard enough

[static zealot]

make it tick 21 times per second

[prisma wave]

it very much could work

[jovial warren]

but it just wouldn't

all the processing that has to be done

[prisma wave]

?

[ocean quartz]

Warzone servers tick 60 times a second

[jovial warren]

you know how much has to be done every tick?

or at least, how much has to be checked

[prisma wave]

I am aware, yes

[jovial warren]

I mean, this is where coroutines come in I guess

[onyx loom]

bUt bAdLiOn HaVe 128 TiCk SeRvErS

[static zealot]

cs:go

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/bqHnw.gif

[ocean quartz]

Now for real, don't think more than 20 tps would go well with the client

[jovial warren]

right, gotta figure out what changes I gotta make to the code now

I guess the Netty job can finally be async

since the server won't die now

[oak raft]

lunar is better

[onyx loom]

silence valorant user

[prisma wave]

care

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/bqHnw.gif

[prisma wave]

people that like 1.8 pvp don't have the right to an opinion

[oak raft]

silence elara appreciator

[jovial warren]

I strongly second this notion

[ocean quartz]

Bardy, Krypton 1.8 wen?

[jovial warren]

[oak raft]

I doubt this

[onyx loom]

i think some people may have problems with this

[prisma wave]

Go make another spam clicking montage noob

[oak raft]

ew montages

[prisma wave]

bit of lens flare + 20 CPS = content

[onyx loom]

RSMB

[oak raft]

it's actually been a long time since I've pvped

I haven't been finding it fun recently

[prisma wave]

I wonder why

[onyx loom]

congrats

uve matured

[oak raft]

lmfao

[prisma wave]

Congratulations on reaching the age of 11!

[ocean quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aom9bAIOuo

[oak raft]

I'm turning 16 this year 😤

[stuck harbor]

gg

[oak raft]

k these are cringe

[ocean quartz]

bUt 1.8

[oak raft]

no

none of this but

[static zealot]

butt 1.8

[forest pecan]

editor forgot hitmarker sound

0/10

[ocean quartz]

Ikr

[onyx loom]

mw2 🥺

[oak raft]

1.8 pvp > mw2

[forest pecan]

valorant

[oak raft]

valorant > all

[onyx loom]

debatable

valorant is actually dosghit

[oak raft]

no

it's good

[jovial warren]

[forest pecan]

you are just dogshit

🙂

[onyx loom]

my friends made me redownload it so i actually have an opinion here now

[forest pecan]

lol

[jovial warren]

ah, kingoros, one of the best PvPers Minecraft even has

[oak raft]

what don't u like about valorant

[onyx loom]

literally everything

[oak raft]

explain

what's wrong with it

[prisma wave]

professional loser*

[oak raft]

hey! that's mean 😔

[onyx loom]

literally everything

[cinder flare]

took em 200GB to achieve it though

[prisma wave]

unbelievable ugly

[onyx loom]

enough said

[static zealot]

the cs:go art https://i.imgur.com/MRaWtzc.png

[oak raft]

no, EXPLAIN

go into detail

write an essay

[forest pecan]

is it cause you cant run and gun like other games

lmao

[onyx loom]

bruh

ok then

[oak raft]

make a powerpoint and present it to nasa or some shit

just EXPLAIN

[onyx loom]

when im home i shall write everything wrong with it

[oak raft]

okay

[forest pecan]

you can run and gun in valorant, but its much harder

[onyx loom]

this may take days because its very long

[oak raft]

Take your time

[obtuse gale]

oh boy I can't wait the day this face talks about Krypton @jovial warren

[onyx loom]

awesome

[static zealot]

OMG YES PLEASE

[forest pecan]

those teeth

[oak raft]

perfect teeth

[prisma wave]

is that who i think it is

[obtuse gale]

literally yellow

[forest pecan]

😍

teeth

[obtuse gale]

yes

[prisma wave]

my guy

[forest pecan]

so white

[oak raft]

Is that Knightz 😮

[prisma wave]

absolutely not

[oak raft]

oh

[onyx loom]

😳

[forest pecan]

Is that

Is tha

[prisma wave]

yes

[forest pecan]

It's Federico López!!!

[onyx loom]

K

[forest pecan]

@obtuse gale

[onyx loom]

a

[oak raft]

yo bm lemme work on elara with u

[prisma wave]

become self reliant

[oak raft]

I can show u my resume

[prisma wave]

ok

do u know Go

[oak raft]

bet

when do I start

yeah

[prisma wave]

uhh

idk

[onyx loom]

now!

[oak raft]

and my pay?

[prisma wave]

$0/hr

[oak raft]

😦

[forest pecan]

nah

[prisma wave]

soz

[forest pecan]

$-5/hr

[hot hull]

A finger up your bum

[prisma wave]

yup

[forest pecan]

2 fingers per 5 bums an hour

[onyx loom]

while elara developers are the best paid developers, creating elara pays nothing

[prisma wave]

exactly

we are taking one for the team

[forest pecan]

reminds me of dodging for the team to take a shit

🥲

@oak raft would know

for any agent select game

[stray crater]

What is the packed ice noteblock sound effect for MessageAnnouncer? I had it before and I forgot what it was
I thought it would be NOTE_BLOCK_CHIME but that didn't work

[oak raft]

its ok I'll be known as a legendary developer who has worked on the great language of elara

[prisma wave]

yes you get lots of clout

[oak raft]

oh yeah I'm a dodger myself

[forest pecan]

lol

people in vc are so toxic

i want to be toxic to them tho

[oak raft]

so be toxic

[jovial warren]

oh no

[forest pecan]

lmao

true

[jovial warren]

is that kangarko?

[onyx loom]

dodging icebox :kekw:

[forest pecan]

nah its bardy

i think

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/uhfw.gif

[forest pecan]

yea ya know

[jovial warren]

nah that's kangarko isn't it

Mr. "I can make your server dreams come true with this course"

[prisma wave]

anyone wanna become self reliant?

[jovial warren]

also Mr. "I can get myself banned off of SpigotMC for advertising my shitty service in literally every single possible category on the Spigot forums"

[onyx loom]

yes please!

[prisma wave]

spigot is jealous

[oak raft]

Yes, as an elara developer I'd love to become self reliant

[prisma wave]

ok boys

that will be $500

[oak raft]

😦

[onyx loom]

o

[jovial warren]

is his course actually $500?

[prisma wave]

probably

if not it should be!!

[oak raft]

||yo bm you know any good resources to learn go online?||

[obtuse gale]

Become self-reliant

[prisma wave]

go website has a nice tutorial

[oak raft]

tyty

[prisma wave]

https://golang.org/doc/

i think

[cinder flare]

it's like photography! do it for free for popular influencers, lots of clout ;)

[cinder flare]

and that's on learning on the job

[prisma wave]

exactly

you get exposure!!

[cinder flare]

yeeeeeee

god i hate influencers

[obtuse gale]

if you can't beat them join them

[cinder flare]

i don't think I can do either

[obtuse gale]

depresso

[oak raft]

😅

[static zealot]

lmao I just got my teammate banned :))))

[stuck harbor]

nice

[static zealot]

he was talking shit and I knew he accidentaly killed a teammate so I shot him just to make him shoot me and he shot me and my teammate at the same time and got banned 30 minutes

I mean it was a win game anyways

16-3

for us

16-4*

[cinder flare]

now i can get behind that

[onyx loom]

couldnt be me

if u play faceit team damage is disabled 😎

[old wyvern]

Elaracademy 🔜

[cinder flare]

okay that kinda slaps

odds on if I convert my entire java plugin codebase to Kotlin, will it still work

[static zealot]

0.01%

[cinder flare]

aw shit

usually that way works pretty well

it's usually kotlin to java that no worky cause they add like a million annotations and shit

[static zealot]

I actually never converted more than 15 lines in IJ from java to kotlin

like automatically

with the IJ converter

[onyx loom]

ctrl alt shift k can only do so much if thats what ur doing

[static zealot]

15 lines at a time

[cinder flare]

aw shit i have to go one file at a time? very sad

[onyx loom]

yeah think so

[cinder flare]

think it'll convert lombok correctly?

cause thats what im trying to get away from

[forest pecan]

tbf, lombok isnt as bad as it seems, but i just dislike it in general

[onyx loom]

😬

[old wyvern]

Ij has a delombokify option

[forest pecan]

^

[old wyvern]

Use that and then convert

[cinder flare]

hell yeah

[ocean quartz]

Shouldn't be too hard to convert

[cinder flare]

ctrl shift k i heard?

[ocean quartz]

Yeah then correct some of the converted code to make sure it's right

[cinder flare]

ooh and i'd like to convert maven -> gradle too

online converter I presume?

[onyx loom]

gradle init

[cinder flare]

innit

im not british mate

[onyx loom]

gradle init

i dont remember saying innit

🙂

[cinder flare]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean quartz]

Gradle init then gradle to kts

[obtuse gale]

I see you have converted 🙂

[cinder flare]

awe yeah

100% kotlin, even the build files

[ocean quartz]

Hell yeah, it's much better, was tired of the dumb warnings
Plus it doesn;t look as bad as i though

[cinder flare]

does the gradle kt syntax look worse than the groovy?

[ocean quartz]

I used to think so, but no it looks much better in most cases

[cinder flare]

nice nice

[prisma wave]

im not sure about that one

[cinder flare]

oop

which of the gradle files do i want in my git

[prisma wave]

gradle/ and build.gradle and the 2 gradlew and properties

everything except .gradle

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/IQTV01Z.png

so yes to all?

[ocean quartz]

This should tell you everything about ugly groovy gradle

[prisma wave]

yup

[prisma wave]

i see nothing wrong with that

[ocean quartz]

It's hideous

[prisma wave]

looks pretty similar to kt

[stuck harbor]

Hehe thats a good implementation of shading

[static zealot]

does it now?

[prisma wave]

except the map literal

which is nice

[static zealot]

why configme tho? 😢

[stuck harbor]

some people would say lein is more ugly

[ocean quartz]

This is Gaby's doing and it's old as well

[static zealot]

oh

[stuck harbor]

but having the build script in the same language that u are building

[static zealot]

btw what's the latest version of MF Config?

I use 1.0.5-SNAPSHOT

[ocean quartz]

Yeah that's latest

[static zealot]

ty

[stuck harbor]

I use whatever gradle wants me to use

[cinder flare]

mmm gradle

has a better icon too

[hot hull]

@ocean quartz Where Triumph Chat

[stuck harbor]

right there

[cinder flare]

okay so turns out refactoring the package of every single file takes a while

[stuck harbor]

turns out

I had to add the copyright to an intellij project

that was fun

[cinder flare]

ew wtf

[stuck harbor]

I do like GNU GPL v3

[cinder flare]

just give your code for free

[stuck harbor]

yeah

[cinder flare]

OS gang

[stuck harbor]

but u need a license

[cinder flare]

nah

[stuck harbor]

even MIT license

[ocean quartz]

MIT

[stuck harbor]

I like credit tho

[cinder flare]

quick rundown of the differences?

[ocean quartz]

Basically credit

[ocean quartz]

I need to figure what to do with the display name, for example if i do <r>Matt it looks nice on chat but anywhere else it'll look like shit

[cinder flare]

triump chat?

what that

[onyx loom]

i think it looks nice 😊

[stuck harbor]

matt's deluxechat clone /s

[cinder flare]

oh hell yeah

send me the source rn

[stuck harbor]

no u

[cinder flare]

:(

[onyx loom]

its os

[cinder flare]

my quick google search returned nothing of value

ah yes i see now

top-tier readme.md :)

[ocean quartz]

It is nothing like dchat lol
It's a discord like markdown implementation for mc chat

[cinder flare]

so what all does the whole triump team make?

besides discord-like markdown interpretation for mc chat

[ocean quartz]

Config lib, gui lib, cmds lib, msg lib, chat plugin, pet plugin, gradle plugin, and more
Hopefully one day I'll finish one of them

[onyx loom]

monopoly ^

[cinder flare]

hell yes

all my plugin needs from one company with questionable ethics

[onyx loom]

absolutely

[ocean quartz]

Hell yeah

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/KJE95kQ.png

okay intellij it was funny for a minute

you can stop meming on me now

[old wyvern]

Looks decompiled

[cinder flare]

it's literally a fork of a plugin im working on

[old wyvern]

lol, I just saw that worldedit package which looks relocated

[cinder flare]

oh yeah dunno whats up with that

there's like a million relocations in the pom.xml so it scared me

[old wyvern]

lol

[gusty glen]

?plsnolombok

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Why is Lombok bad?

• It's a compiler hack - the Java compiler isn't designed to modify code, so it can cause difficult to debug errors, or worse
• It requires an IDE plugin, so unless you've properly configured Maven, Gradle and your IDE, you'll get hundreds of compilation errors. This process takes time too, it's not easy
• Lombok'd code won't show in Javadocs
• The code generation is often unpredictable and difficult to debug, and often you'll have to do it "the hard way" anyway
• Java is supposed to be explicit, Lombok hides a lot of key functionality into a subtle annotation which can be easy to miss
• While IDEs support it with a plugin, it's usually more difficult to find specific things, like usages of a getter because they don't exist in the source code
• Finally, Lombok'd bytecode doesn't match the source code, so it causes a pretty annoying warning in IntelliJ

Requested by: SecretX • plsnolombok

[cinder flare]

nice person didn't you read earlier

the whole reason im going to Kotlin is to get rid of lombok lmao

this ain't my repo

lombok provides a small amount of functionality that kotlin does, like auto genning getters and setters

which is why I presume this repo uses it

[jovial warren]

kotshop

lol

[cinder flare]

yeah i figure it's called quickshop, might as well make this one kotshop

but i might not ever get there at this rate

[jovial warren]

what is it with everyone who makes Kotlin stuff changing a C for a K everywhere lol

https://github.com/BomBardyGamer/komponent

[cinder flare]

Quick != Kot

[jovial warren]

https://tenor.com/oZZh.gif

[onyx loom]

Cotlin

[cinder flare]

is that Kotlin written in C?

that'd kinda be cute ngl

[jovial warren]

lol

you know Kotlin compiles natively right?

[ocean quartz]

Everyone goes through the lombok phase at some point

[jovial warren]

I still remember when Sxtanna and @prisma wave initially knocked some sense into me for thinking Java + Lombok > Kotlin

[compact perch]

New Reminder Set!

In 13 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds:

continue coding u lazy ass

Requested by: efefury#0001

[jovial warren]

oh those were the days

you remember that BM?

[ocean quartz]

14h lol

[lunar cypress]

I remember it

About a year ago

[ocean quartz]

Pepperidge farm remembers

[jovial warren]

#off-topic message

[cinder flare]

wdym it goes to java bytecode or js wtf

[onyx loom]

it can be native too

[jovial warren]

no

Kotlin/Native

https://kotlinlang.org/docs/native-overview.html

it's like the dark horse of the Kotlin compiler

probably the least known yet literally the coolest of the three

[cinder flare]

omg wait it even uses llvm

it's basically Cotlin

[prisma wave]

🤡

Kotlin native isn't really for what you think though

it's not gonna unlock 1000x performance increases or anything

it's for embedded stuff where you cant really run a JVM

[onyx loom]

#off-topic message lol

[ocean quartz]

Elara Native will though

[jovial warren]

#off-topic message

[lunar cypress]

Wdym?? I compile to LLVM = my language is now 10 times faster than C++

[jovial warren]

I remember that like it was yesterday I swear

I thought type inference was bad

what the actual fuck

[stuck harbor]

hehe

[jovial warren]

oh those were the days

when BM used to circlejerk actually useful languages xD

[cinder flare]

now that makes me sad

god i love non-explicit static typing

[old wyvern]

False

I was lazy to install it

🥲

[prisma wave]

which languages aren't useful?

[old wyvern]

The plugins

[ocean quartz]

Lmao

[cinder flare]

well wait yeah if it compiles to llvm, shouldn't it be faster?

or is the compiler no good

[jovial warren]

actually, let me rephrase

now you circlejerk functional languages

[prisma wave]

correct

[jovial warren]

Kotlin superior language

that's a fact, not an opinion

[prisma wave]

because they are objectively superior

state creates bugs

that is a fact

[old wyvern]

False claim

[prisma wave]

removing state removes bugs

[old wyvern]

^

[ocean quartz]

#off-topic message
How does Kotlin look like python? I can't see any similarity

[stuck harbor]

functional languages are more functional

[jovial warren]

I respect your wrong opinion

[cinder flare]

no semicolons, means big similar lmao

[stuck harbor]

functional is a synonym of working well for a reason

[jovial warren]

I also respect your also wrong opinion

[old wyvern]

I do not respect your opinion if it is that fp bad

[prisma wave]

LITERALLY the same!!

[prisma wave]

how am i wrong

which part of what im saying is untrue?

[ocean quartz]

Lmao you can name so many others then

[prisma wave]

does state not create bugs?

[stuck harbor]

bardy likes data oriented programming prolly

[jovial warren]

I looked at it, went "it doesn't look like it has any types" and called it Python @ocean quartz

iirc

[old wyvern]

FP is objectively superior

[prisma wave]

^

[ocean quartz]

Lol

[jovial warren]

I yet again respect your wrong opinion

[prisma wave]

elaborate

[old wyvern]

^

[cinder flare]

i think state is easier to think about for certain stuff

[jovial warren]

a world without objects is just not a world

[stuck harbor]

FP is better in the vast majority of scenarios

[gusty glen]

idk about fp, but I like map/filter functions

[old wyvern]

Easier to think, but prone to bugs

[prisma wave]

now imagine them everywhere

[stuck harbor]

hehe

[lunar cypress]

Obviously it is much easier to envision our world as a monad

[jovial warren]

the real world is made of objects, so why shouldn't programming be made of objects too?

[cinder flare]

mmm monad

[jovial warren]

lol that is the worst argument I think I've ever made regarding OOP vs FP

[stuck harbor]

cause that's dumb

[prisma wave]

ahh yes AbstractFactoryProvider occurs everywhere in the real world

also misinformed

[jovial warren]

🤣

[gusty glen]

that's why kotlin is love

[cinder flare]

yo do i have to do extra things to shade my jar in gradle too

[stuck harbor]

AbstractVertebrateAquaticAnimalFactory

[gusty glen]

bc it has map, interfaces, filter, and u still get classes

[ocean quartz]

Why do you feel like there is a superior language?
Languages are good for different things
Ofc there is one Elara exception which is the one true superior language

[stuck harbor]

ofc ofc

[prisma wave]

Why do you feel like there is a superior language?
because there is

[old wyvern]

Sadly in the realworld a chair does not randomly MUTATE into a table and suffocate you to death

[jovial warren]

wdym, we have AbstractLivingEntityFactorys everywhere

[gusty glen]

there is no such thing as a superior language, but there are inferior languages

[jovial warren]

they're called parents

[stuck harbor]

hehe

[lunar cypress]

This is actually not true at all. Like that's what teachers in oop 101 tell you, but think about it. Our world doesn't combine state and behaviour, there is no "inheritance" or anything like that. We have data and we can abstract from that data

[stuck harbor]

but they implement Sentience

[onyx loom]

having inferior languages inherently means there are superior languages

[prisma wave]

OOP does not make sense... person.setAge is a logical paradox

[old wyvern]

^

[jovial warren]

yeah I was just messing haha

[gusty glen]

why

[jovial warren]

not sure about that one

[stuck harbor]

sure we believe you

[gusty glen]

but tbh u should just use birthdate

[prisma wave]

because a person's age cannot be set

exactly

[cinder flare]

wtf why would that ever happen lmao

[onyx loom]

lol

[gusty glen]

then just use birthdate

[old wyvern]

OOP is a failed attempt at simplifying logic

[prisma wave]

the age can be determined from some immutable variable

[gusty glen]

now() - birthdate() = gg

[prisma wave]

a person does not control their own age

[jovial warren]

now - birthdate

😎

[gusty glen]

n - b

[jovial warren]

Kotlin objectively superior to Java

[stuck harbor]

just use a clojure macro

u nerd

I use so many clojure macros

[jovial warren]

now that is a fact

[gusty glen]

what are those

[lunar cypress]

Macros are vastly superior to functions becausee you actually run all your code at compile time! Huge performance gains

[cinder flare]

help im scared how do you use local .jars in gradle

[gusty glen]

lol

[stuck harbor]

https://clojure.org/reference/macros

[prisma wave]

i made an entire game in just rust macros!

[lunar cypress]

You install them to your local maven repo

[stuck harbor]

stonks

[old wyvern]

🥲

[cinder flare]

okay how do i do that

[prisma wave]

you can do compileOnly files('jar.path.jar') too

[old wyvern]

Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZWsyUKwTbg

Master piece

[prisma wave]

very convenient

[gusty glen]

@cinder flare compileOnly fileTree(dir: 'libs', include: ['*.jar'])

[stuck harbor]

stonks

fizzbuzz

[cinder flare]

gradle init used system

and it's weird

[old wyvern]

Vim all the way

[stuck harbor]

yes

[onyx loom]

how so

[stuck harbor]

ngl I'm getting into emacs

[cinder flare]

vim gang

[stuck harbor]

I love the chord system

in emacs

[old wyvern]

I love the Elara in Elara

[gusty glen]

what is elara

[stuck harbor]

C-c C-c c

[old wyvern]

Elara is everything

[ocean quartz]

It's basically 42

[old wyvern]

This simulation runs on the Elara Virtual Machine

[gusty glen]

i see you guys talking about it all the time

[old wyvern]

Bascially the matrix

[lunar cypress]

https://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-3rd-party-jars-local.html

[gusty glen]

is that a programming language

[stuck harbor]

I use this chord allll the time

[old wyvern]

https://github.com/ElaraLang/elara

[old wyvern]

yes

[gusty glen]

looks like javascript

[stuck harbor]

what

[gusty glen]

actually, typescript

[stuck harbor]

take that back

heretic

[old wyvern]

ew

[prisma wave]

dear OOP fanboys
you claim objects represent real things, but real OOP rarely does this.
instead, you insist on encapsulating basic functionality into some global state that doesn't represent anything in the real world and overabstract everything

Curious.

[ocean quartz]

That's a sin

[cinder flare]

mmm factories

[old wyvern]

The syntax is actually being changed a lot tbh

[gusty glen]

^

[prisma wave]

tbf the original syntax was kinda based on JS

i like JS lambda syntax

[old wyvern]

Does type script have pure functions?????

[prisma wave]

technically

[old wyvern]

HA

xD

[lunar cypress]

You should extract your control flow into factory objects

[gusty glen]

yes it does

[lunar cypress]

says robert c martin

[old wyvern]

Not enforced

[gusty glen]

u don't need to enforce, just be like python

[prisma wave]

it represents things in the real world dude

[ocean quartz]

I remember when the syntax was let name => print "Hello" or something like that

[old wyvern]

Bad

[prisma wave]

🥲

[gusty glen]

the programmer is a grown up boy, he knows his stuff

[old wyvern]

Depending on external state

Bad

[prisma wave]

we're kinda going back to that actually

[old wyvern]

Statefulness

[cinder flare]

that kinda cute tho

what is it now?

[prisma wave]

atm it would be the same thing just with parens

[stuck harbor]

my first thought was 'looks like assembly'

idk why

[prisma wave]

let main => print("Hello")

but we have been haskellpilled

[onyx loom]

terrible

[prisma wave]

so parentheses are going

[stuck harbor]

bm rewrite it in common lisp

[prisma wave]

god no

[forest pecan]

ik i may sound like an idiot but this kid is legit onto something

[stuck harbor]

more parens

all parentheses

[forest pecan]

like not capping

[old wyvern]

let say name message => print (name + ":" + message)

[forest pecan]

like that is actually O(1) no shit

[old wyvern]

You havent watched any of ben's videos yet? xD

[prisma wave]

|> operator in elara????

[forest pecan]

no lmao

[ocean quartz]

The Elara operator

[old wyvern]

I mean, would end up too much like F#

[stuck harbor]

ben is good

he making fake facebook

[cinder flare]

okay now how do you shade this bad boy

[stuck harbor]

much fun

[prisma wave]

not necessarily a bad thing

it's a nice syntax sugar to have

[winter iron]

were there major changes to paper or smth?

[stuck harbor]

use the shading plugin from john

[old wyvern]

Maybe something different for a similar effect?

[cinder flare]

from john?

[stuck harbor]

yeah, john

[prisma wave]

let say name message => "$name:message" |> print

[cinder flare]

ah okay

[prisma wave]

any ideas?

[old wyvern]

hmm

[gusty glen]

what is that say name message

[lunar cypress]

I have the ultimate strategy to delay the development of elara forever
Just when you're about to finally specify something and leave it that way, I'll start randomly referring to some new language that nobody knows

[prisma wave]

function parameters

[prisma wave]

noooooooooooooooooooooooo

[gusty glen]

oh got

[prisma wave]

nonon

on

on

[gusty glen]

please one parenthesis

[old wyvern]

🥲

[prisma wave]

absolutely not

[cinder flare]

god why did I use kts gradle

all the examples are in groovy

[lunar cypress]

because it's better

[stuck harbor]

add all parentheses

[gusty glen]

i can't even differentiate what is the function name and what is the function parameters

[prisma wave]

name params

name a b c

let add a b = a + b

[gusty glen]

let say (name message) => "$name:message" |> print```

[prisma wave]

🤢

no thank you sir!

[onyx loom]

extra chars for no reason!

[ocean quartz]

Elara "No parentheses" Lisps "All parenthesis"

[prisma wave]

yes!!!

[old wyvern]

Got nothing 💀

hmm

[prisma wave]

|> then ?

[old wyvern]

Alrighty

[prisma wave]

sick

we gotta have custom operators too

[cinder flare]

bro wtf is the maven publish plugin

[prisma wave]

for publishing to maven

[old wyvern]

Yea, |> can just be defined in the language

[prisma wave]

mhm

[cinder flare]

compileOnly files("tne.tne:TheNewEconomy:4.9.2") says no

[prisma wave]

let (|>) a fn = fn a

[cinder flare]

like all of the compileonly files things

is that groovy syntax?

[prisma wave]

no u need the jar file name

[old wyvern]

f#

[prisma wave]

should work in both

oh

[lunar cypress]

no

but also you should use maven local

[prisma wave]

meh

[cinder flare]

that link you sent to me did not make sense

im not gonna lie

[lunar cypress]

what about it did not make sense

[gusty glen]

i already show'd you how to compile with local jars starmism

[cinder flare]

i have to run like maven build commands?

[gusty glen]

just copy and paste man

[prisma wave]

gradle supports file dependencies so there's no reason to not use them

[lunar cypress]

You run a command and the jar is in your local maven repo

[cinder flare]

errors bro

[gusty glen]

what

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/PJvltsW.png

[lunar cypress]

yeah you could also download every dependency and use it as a file

[prisma wave]

thats very much groovy

[cinder flare]

they're already there bro

[prisma wave]

that's dumb though

[cinder flare]

that's what he told me to do 😠

[gusty glen]

u put that on your dependency stuff

are you using gradle.kts?

[cinder flare]

it is bro

yes

[gusty glen]

oh

[prisma wave]

file dependencies mean you can publish the dependencies that arent in a repo along with your project, maven local means additional setup

[gusty glen]

just a sec

[cinder flare]

i like gradle but its so much harder to use :(

[gusty glen]

compileOnly(fileTree("libs"))

this is for gradle.kts

[cinder flare]

ah now that's nice

[prisma wave]

ez

[cinder flare]

does each maven repository have to be its own open and closed curly brackets?

[gusty glen]

create folder libs on the root dir

[cinder flare]

or can you do like a lot

[ocean quartz]

It feels like that in the beginning but you get used to it

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/lm1t41u.png

can i shorten that bad boy

[prisma wave]

maven(url = blah) iirc

[lunar cypress]

maven("url")

[ocean quartz]

^

[cinder flare]

oh I see

[ocean quartz]

For kts

[cinder flare]

can't put more than one url in the same thing?

[prisma wave]

dont think so

[cinder flare]

sad

[old wyvern]

I* have successfully managed to break IntelliJ's kotlin parser again

Wonderful

[prisma wave]

you could do ```kt
listOf(url1, url2).forEach { maven(it) }

[lunar cypress]

::maven 😎

[gusty glen]

hehe

[cinder flare]

wait what

can you really do code in the build.gradle

[gusty glen]

yes

for

[prisma wave]

yes

[gusty glen]

listof

[cinder flare]

holy shit

[gusty glen]

map

[lunar cypress]

that's the point sort of

[gusty glen]

filter

[prisma wave]

gradle scripts are just code

[gusty glen]

etc

[cinder flare]

im used to xml okay dont hurt me

[prisma wave]

mapM_ maven ["url1", "url2"] 🙂

[old wyvern]

😮

Haskell gradle dsl??

[prisma wave]

YES

[old wyvern]

[prisma wave]

make gradle pure again

[gusty glen]

this is the code I usually use (boilerplace) for kotlin kts gradle

plugins {
    val kotlinVersion: String by System.getProperties()
    kotlin("jvm") version kotlinVersion
    id("com.github.johnrengelman.shadow") version "6.1.0"
}

// Disables the normal jar task
tasks.jar { enabled = false }

// And enables shadowJar task
artifacts.archives(tasks.shadowJar)

tasks.shadowJar {
    archiveFileName.set(rootProject.name + ".jar")
    relocate("kotlin", "com.github.secretx33.dependencies.kotlin")
    relocate("kotlinx", "com.github.secretx33.dependencies.kotlinx")
    relocate("org.jetbrains", "com.github.secretx33.dependencies.jetbrains")
    relocate("org.intellij", "com.github.secretx33.dependencies.jetbrains.intellij")
    exclude("DebugProbesKt.bin")
    exclude("META-INF/**")
}

tasks.register("customCleanUp", Delete::class){
    delete("$rootDir/build/libs/${tasks.shadowJar.get().archiveFileName.get()}")
}
tasks.shadowJar.get().dependsOn(tasks["customCleanUp"])```

fyi

[cinder flare]

plugins {
    java
    "com.github.johnrengelman.shadow"
}```

that doesn't look right

[prisma wave]

🥲

you are correct

it's not right

id(blah)

[cinder flare]

okay whats the right way

[prisma wave]

u need version too iirc

[ocean quartz]

I prefer this:

tasks {
  withType<ShadowJar> {
  }

  // etc
}

[static zealot]

id 'com.github.johnrengelman.shadow' version '6.1.0'

[prisma wave]

kt blitz

[ocean quartz]

id('com.github.johnrengelman.shadow') version '6.1.0'

[gusty glen]

starmism, look up there

[cinder flare]

okay someone really needs to make a gradle copy paste thing and ill be like 900% more likely to use it

[static zealot]

ah

didn't see that

[jovial warren]

tasks.withType<ShadowJar> would be the correct way to do it in the Kotlin DSL I think

[gusty glen]

kts doesn't accept ' , use " instead

[cinder flare]

it still doesn't like the version number!

[gusty glen]

wdym

[prisma wave]

double quotes?

[cinder flare]

https://i.imgur.com/C8bKBY0.png

[jovial warren]

id("com.github.johnrengelman.shadow") version "6.1.0"

[ocean quartz]

That's the same thing but without needing to do task. all the time

[lunar cypress]

what's the point of that custom task at the bottom

[cinder flare]

oh double quotes

[gusty glen]

just copy what I pasted up there

[cinder flare]

weird

[jovial warren]

ah

[gusty glen]

delete the old .jar file

[jovial warren]

this is basically Gradle written in Kotlin Starmism

[prisma wave]

nauseated face

[jovial warren]

Kotlin's single quotes are the same as Java's

[lunar cypress]

and why is the existing task graph not enough for that

[jovial warren]

they're used for single characters

[lunar cypress]

you're wasting incremental builds

[cinder flare]

all im saying

is if someone made a default template for gradle

it'd see a lot more usage

[gusty glen]

idk, but normal clean task did not removed the old jar

[jovial warren]

Groovy on the other hand does support single quotes

[lunar cypress]

the normal clean task should delete the entire build directory

[jovial warren]

also, is it just me or is the Kotlin DSL more widely used

[cinder flare]

i mean it should be

[gusty glen]

ok then starmism

[jovial warren]

I literally see it everywhere

[gusty glen]

what a sec

[cinder flare]

kotlin is the best

[prisma wave]

untrue

[jovial warren]

Groovy DSL > Kotlin DSL

[cinder flare]

language of its tyle*

wait wdym

what's wrong with kotlin

[prisma wave]

true 🙂

[jovial warren]

it's over verbose in this situation