what is K&R
#dev-general
half harness
cinder flare
bad
half harness
๐คช
onyx loom
what is K&R
standard formatting basically
cinder flare
what is K&R
Kernigan and Ritchie, the two guys who made C and pioneered that style of coding
onyx loom
wahtever u use
cinder flare
they knew what they were doing when it came to style
onyx loom
blah() {
stuff()
}
jovial warren
oh btw, fun fact: K&R is actually brace on next line, the only style that has the brace on the same line is K&R OTBS (the One True Brace Style)
cinder flare
fucking what
jovial warren
look it up
cinder flare
oh my god
jovial warren
anyway, see you lot later
onyx loom
about the function part, or the readability lol
onyx loom
intriguing
cinder flare
All functions are a single expression in FP ๐ค
you better put your opening squiggly brackets on the same line or else...
onyx loom
clojure enters the room
prisma wave
you don't have to ๐
jovial warren
You're despicable
K&R OTBS was definitely named properly
Because it is in fact the one true brace style
onyx loom
allman named allman because all men should use it
prisma wave
allman named allman because all men should use it
Agreed
prisma wave
๐ฅฒ
jovial warren
wait what
jovial warren
onyx loom
one style looks like that iirc
prisma wave
do {
input <- readLine
; putStrLn input
; return () }
``` this is correct Haskell iircK&R OTBS is the one true brace style, objectively
onyx loom
yeah
prisma wave
And technically how you should write it, if you're going to use the verbose syntax
half harness
https://tenor.com/WL0W.gif
you literally post that daily xD
cinder flare
K&R OTBS is the objectively best programming style
they hated jesus because he spoke the truth
half harness
just with different words
jovial warren
do? What kinda imperativism is that?
onyx loom
lol
prisma wave
You might think it's imperative
half harness
brister mitten
prisma wave
Where in fact it's just syntax sugar for monad bind operations ๐
jovial warren
they hated jesus because he spoke the truth
Lol you just implied I'm jesus
old wyvern
And also replacing the values fetched with let, directly into the use site
half harness
:woozy_face:
onyx loom
maybe u are a far descendent of jesus
old wyvern
Becasue of referential transparency ๐
onyx loom
who knows
half harness
\๐ฅด
prisma wave
And also replacing the values fetched with let, directly into the use site
yes!!
half harness
\๐ฅฒ
prisma wave
Becasue of referential transparency ๐
๐ ๐ค ๐คค
cinder flare
Becasue of referential transparency ๐
y'all are throwing around big words and im a little scared
onyx loom
wait till u see johnny
old wyvern
It jsut means you can copy that entire expression to the use site and it would mean the exact same thing
due to lazy* evalutation
prisma wave
Johnny actually knows what the words mean
Whereas I just say "composition semigroup" with no knowledge
cinder flare
Johnny actually knows what the words mean
but you're the soldier from TF2, you know what every word means
prisma wave
almost every word๐
old wyvern
Mister Britain
old wyvern
๐
Ya'll know the feeling when you skip 5 classes and now all of a sudden you have to write an assignment about "Laplacian of Gaussian" or whatever the hell
prisma wave
Haskell moon
old wyvern
Coz Im absolutely lost on what is going on here
cinder flare
Link your github if you haven't already
i might have? i dunno I also applied for developer rank does that give it to you too?
prisma wave
don't think so
old wyvern
This one? https://github.com/Starmism
cinder flare
YOOOOo
cinder flare
This one? https://github.com/Starmism
yeah but I also have a real life dev account that I'd rather not dox myself with in public lol
so I hope I qualify! :)
half harness
wait
cinder flare
2 days
half harness
fefo uses maven ๐
cinder flare
fefo uses maven ๐
in what project lol
old wyvern
yeah but I also have a real life dev account that I'd rather not dox myself with...
fair enough
cinder flare
the project we're redoing uses gradle and it is quite the source of confusion for me
half harness
in what project lol
https://github.com/Starmism/BetterJails, which is a fork of fefo
cinder flare
ah yes, that's v1
that's the legacy edition
we're redoing main rn which uses gradle
I think fefo converted everything automatically and that's why stuff kinda no worky
man the blue name is so nice
i feel like, 50% cooler already
is there a brighter blue?
or like uh
onyx loom
no
onyx loom
tier 2 > tier 5 > tier 3 >>>>>> everything else > t4
onyx loom
pog
prisma wave
3 more years to t9
cinder flare
3 more years to t9
only a few decades and you'll be tier 10!
old wyvern
cinder flare
holy shit that was amazing
onyx loom
literally me with every deadline
old wyvern
10 seconds away from loosing like 25 marks and today's attendence
old wyvern
bro all my assignments are due at 11:59 pm
๐ฅฒ
cinder flare
it's pretty nice
old wyvern
My prof just throw random times
This one was jsut the class duration tho, the prof just said we didnt have to be in the meeting and that we jsut needed to submit on time
old wyvern
๐ฎ
onyx loom
bruh what i turn on my pc in 2 days and everything is still running even tho the plugs were off
sketch ๐
old wyvern
FBI watching you mate
onyx loom
i look in task manager and somehow my game was still running even tho it wasnt open ๐
cinder flare
it just knew you were grinding
jovial warren
yeah but I also have a real life dev account that I'd rather not dox myself with...
lol
imagine not having your full name public on your GitHub account and in all of your author tags
cinder flare
i do on some of them
eternal compass
.
steel heart
lol
eternal compass
Hey, I'm on mobile, give me a break
half harness
no
cinder flare
y'all are really just farming xp eh?
eternal compass
๐ข
frail glade
Morning
eternal compass
y'all are really just farming xp eh?
I think you only get xp every 40 seconds or so
Not every individual message
half harness
v-very
forest pecan
yes
frail glade
Oh yeah?
eternal compass
Oh yeah?
#development lol
eternal compass
My alt has waffle in the name :p
cinder flare
My alt has waffle in the name :p
now that's on brand
frail glade
Waffles are pretty good but tbh I haven't had them in a month or 2. They are out of my budget for the time being.
half harness
Waffles are pretty good but tbh I haven't had them in a month or 2. They are out...
hi
eternal compass
now that's on brand
FredtheWaffle lol
jovial warren
well, afternoon for me, currently 13:58 lol
eternal compass
Waffles are pretty good but tbh I haven't had them in a month or 2. They are out...
Ah, rip
cinder flare
7:58 am for me boss
forest pecan
chocolate waffles
cinder flare
just didn't sleep >:)
jovial warren
out of your budget?
eternal compass
well, afternoon for me, currently 13:58 lol
09:58
forest pecan
its 9:59 AM for me
half harness
waffle not saying hi to me
forest pecan
yo fred you live in the us?
jovial warren
man Iโm in school rn, where are you guys
eternal compass
yo fred you live in the us?
EDT
cinder flare
yo fred you live in the us?
sounds like eastern time to me
half harness
man Iโm in school rn, where are you guys
home
forest pecan
home
eternal compass
i live in massachusetts
Maryland
cinder flare
i live in massachusetts
my buddy lived there too
forest pecan
oo cool
forest pecan
69 street avenue
eternal compass
Lol
forest pecan
lol
eternal compass
(To dkim)
half harness
|| give me ur ip address ||
cinder flare
๐
eternal compass
I've joined your server dkim, you can find out my IP address lol
half harness
I've joined your server dkim, you can find out my IP address lol
wait really?
oh
u have my ip too-
eternal compass
lol
jovial warren
lucky
eternal compass
Got a review on my plugin:
(I know him, but still lol)
very epic plugin indeed, yes. u r my dad, thanks mom. i really appreciate it, thanks again
jovial warren
man, virtual school would mean Iโd still get to program Krypton all day
half harness
|| i forgot my grabify password ||
jovial warren
haha
eternal compass
||Why'd you click on this?||
half harness
||Why'd you click on this?||
i didn't click on it
jovial warren
wow
half harness
because my discord automatically "clicks" it
eternal compass
i didn't click on it
Right
eternal compass
because my discord automatically "clicks" it
Hax
jovial warren
oh dkimโs one of those who has spoilers automatically shown smh
half harness
lol
eternal compass
Wierdo
unkempt tangle
How can I set breakpoints?
jovial warren
click
jovial warren
unkempt tangle
Not working
jovial warren
wat
eternal compass
Click harder?
half harness
harder
unkempt tangle
Its Android Studio
half harness
oh
unkempt tangle
But at the hood its intelij
cinder flare
yeah should just be clicking on the line number, makes a little red dot and everything
jovial warren
make sure to run in debug mode though lol
jovial warren
click the bug instead of the arrow lol
cinder flare
top right
jovial warren
maybe IJ canโt debut that, idk
jovial warren
that looks like semi readable Java bytecode lol
jovial warren
what are you actually trying?
half harness
oh myyyy
cinder flare
looks smali to me
jovial warren
probably best to decompile
cinder flare
๐คฃ
cinder flare
can ya get ASM from it?
jovial warren
yeah apparently smali is the format used by the Android JVM
itโs modified JVM bytecode, you can decompile that to Java
jovial warren
https://github.com/AlexeySoshin/smali2java literally one google search
cinder flare
pop-u-lar
jovial warren
probably the amount of times Iโve mentioned it here
cinder flare
bruh why does the #mc-server-general still exist if there is no server lmao
jovial warren
historic purposes?
cinder flare
yeah but like its still listed as a reward on the rewards list thing
i was kinda hyped :(
cinder flare
cause I got here a build.gradle common, and a build.gradle bukkit, and a build.gradle over both of them
half harness
compileOnly or implementation something("modulename")
lunar cypress
project(":your-module")
cinder flare
where do i put that
half harness
in dependencies
lunar cypress
in your implementation spec
half harness
either compileOnly or implementation project(":your-module") depending on if u want to shade or not
cinder flare
okay well, that shit didn't work
it says it'll make a circular dependency
that doens't sound good
I did project like johnny said
lunar cypress
well you obv can't have a module depending on a module that in turn depends on the other module again
cinder flare
well what if i need to access them from eachother??
lunar cypress
Both from both is impossible
cinder flare
wtf
lunar cypress
you need a third module then
jovial warren
this is why common modules that are depended on by platform implementation modules are a good way to go
LuckPerms does this really well
cinder flare
well that's the opposite right now boss
jovial warren
I mean, LuckPerms uses like Gradle 4 (iirc) with shadow 2, so it could definitely be better, but in terms of modularity, LuckPerms is really good
lunar cypress
the fact that your "common" module depends on your "bukkit" module is questionable
lunar cypress
wdym you inherited it
jovial warren
Lol
jovial warren
Ah
lunar cypress
Then either the author never built their code or you messed something up in the configuration
cinder flare
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
jovial warren
Thinking about it, configs in Krypton will actually be really nice
Since kotlinx.serialization is exposed in the API
So you can just depend on KAML for example if you want to use YAML for your configuration, write a data class and bam
Ez
Nice and idiomatic xD
distant sun
https://paste.helpch.at/dakosugari.hs fucking adventure, it mess with my simple broadcast command ๐ค
distant sun
it's literally Bukkit.broadcastMessage(message)
jovial warren
Wait what does it mean by no style?
distant sun
yes
jovial warren
If using the legacy API causes issues, make an issue on GitHub
distant sun
I think it doesn't like my raw hex
jovial warren
Or ask in the Paper or Adventure Discord
distant sun
what format does it use for hex?
jovial warren
&#
distant sun
bleah
distant sun
&# is horrible
static zealot
why?
jovial warren
Adventure is good because it offers plugins an extra layer of abstraction for multi platform compatibility
jovial warren
BS
hot hull
Adventure is good because it offers plugins an extra layer of abstraction for mu...
Adventure ew
jovial warren
Adventure ew
Why don't you like it?
I mean, some of kashike's formatting and stuff is very questionable I can agree, but I like it
E.g. not using getters and setters that are Java standard which breaks Kotlin compatibility
distant sun
easy fix
jovial warren
Also he decided to make a Kotlin DSL but removed the @DslMarker annotations because "there's no official documentation that says functions can have that annotation"
Style.style is also very questionable
But overall, it's a really nice API
The NBT library saved my ass as well
I'll probably eventually make a kotlinx.serialization implementation for NBT to replace it, but it's good for now
And also a kotlinx.serialization implementation for TOML
static zealot
event priorities are the ones that say in which order the code is ran right? If I have an event with LOWEST priority, one with NORMAL priority and one with HIGH they run like this: LOWEST,NORMAL,HIGH right?
or does that not affect the order?
surreal quarry
yea itโs sorta backwards but thatโs right
static zealot
well idk if its bakwards
surreal quarry
youโd think highest priority would be first but nope :)
static zealot
it makes sense for me
cinder flare
yeah you'd think HIGH would run first eh?
static zealot
because if the highest is ran first then the lowest will run after and will change everything
which is exactly what you don't want
cinder flare
well huh
surreal quarry
true true
cinder flare
priority is a way of measuring how soon an event will run
the higher the priority, the sooner it will be run
jovial warren
may or may not have forgot to fix the backwards priorities in Krypton's Kotlin version of the BungeeCord event bus
lunar cypress
The naming is confusing
static zealot
well in this case it measures importance xD
cinder flare
wdym
lunar cypress
the name "EventPriority" doesn't make much sense in of itself
jovial warren
I'll just swap the do while to go from the max val to the min val
surreal quarry
yea it should probably be event importance
cinder flare
oh shit I guess you're right it is backwards
surreal quarry
or just rename the priority thing bardy
jovial warren
Nah, I want priorities
lunar cypress
the problem is the "priority" has nothing to do with the event
cinder flare
It shouldn't even be named in a height scale
it should be named in a time order
like FIRST and LAST
lunar cypress
yes
surreal quarry
yea thatโs a good idea
static zealot
and that's how you open a conversation to farm xp on HC
jovial warren
Oh btw, the way Bungee handles priorities is whack
surreal quarry
lmao blitz
static zealot
=xp 186255788212355073
compact perchBOT
cinder flare
level 11 already bois
static zealot
server boost is OP xD if you want to speedrun xp
cinder flare
2 days down
static zealot
yeah
cinder flare
I didn't even server boost bro!
surreal quarry
server boost good
static zealot
=xp
compact perchBOT
static zealot
good luck
jovial warren
LOWEST is -64, LOW is -32, NORMAL is 0, HIGH is 32 and HIGHEST is 64
Then it uses a do while from the minimum byte value to the maximum
cinder flare
I mean at least that kinda makes sense
jovial warren
Which is really dumb and inefficient imo but ya know
cinder flare
they can be thought of in a linear order
jovial warren
Looping through every possible byte value is dumb when you only do something for 5 of them
obtuse gale
Looping through every possible byte value is dumb when you only do something for...
You can have in-between listeners :^)
See? BungeeCord is op
/s
static zealot
!/s
surreal quarry
i wouldnโt copy bungeecord or spigot with the event priority stuff
surreal quarry
something like that
jovial warren
then you have like, a ton of levels of order
Ah yes
ocean quartz
Since the priority doesn't seem good how about instead of a constant have the priority be an Int?
lunar cypress
you can't determine the order exactly because the plugin authors can't possibly know what else is part of the system
so an enum does make sense
ocean quartz
I personally like Bukkit's just dislike that it's reverse
lunar cypress
it's naming is off, it probably should neither be Event nor Priority
surreal quarry
event makes sense, no?
cinder flare
EventOrder with the FIRST->TENTH thing is the best way In my mind
lunar cypress
no
surreal quarry
it has to do with the event
lunar cypress
you don't order events
surreal quarry
i guess listener
cinder flare
but it orders how events are executed
surreal quarry
not event
lunar cypress
you order your listeners
ocean quartz
Yeah Bukkit's are Importance it's even stated in the docs but they call it priority for some odd reason
surreal quarry
yea ListenerOrder or ListenerImportance would@be better
jovial warren
Krypton's will be priorities in the correct order
Also, monitoring won't exist
There's no need for the monitor priority
cinder flare
but what if you wanna monitor huh
jovial warren
You know you still get given the same mutable events as any other priority right?
jovial warren
Why?
cinder flare
make it immutable
half harness
so that ppl can do high priority stuff, then monitor can log and stuff
cinder flare
problem solvo
eternal compass
ok, I made my project actually open source.
https://github.com/fredthedoggy/RestPlaceholderAPI
that took a while :p
jovial warren
Events are already mostly immutable
jovial warren
The only thing mutable is the isCancelled priority
half harness
gradle is complicated ;-;
it is not!
i should make a pr
lol
even though im not on my pc
eternal compass
and all the things I were using supported maven, only some of them supported gradle
jovial warren
Like what?
half harness
looking at ur build.gradle
it should support gradle
ima make a pull request
in 10 minutes
eternal compass
I was about to link https://sparkjava.com/documentation#getting-started, then I realised it does have gradle support
meh, maven is easier for me
jovial warren
Maven is easier, but it's too verbose for me
eternal compass
it has gradle support
oh really?
jovial warren
XML requires too much
prisma wave
if it supports maven, it supports gradle
eternal compass
I personally like XML
prisma wave
Important lesson to learn
eternal compass
but I didn't know that ^
half harness
time to fork
prisma wave
I personally like XML
Stockholm Syndrome
eternal compass
time to fork
lol
jovial warren
compared with Gradle's really concise Groovy DSL, Maven sucks ass
eternal compass
Stockholm Syndrome
its because its similar to HTML, and I've used that for ages
cinder flare
compared with Gradle's really concise Groovy DSL, Maven sucks ass
you're a Groovy guy :)
cinder flare
its because its similar to HTML, and I've used that for ages
bro wtf, even I know that's a lie and I use Maven all the time
just use Gradle, it's really easy for your single project
you get all Maven repos in gradle anyways
Im only struggling cause I have a moderately complex use case
prisma wave
for small to medium projects gradle is literally a straight upgrade
Yeah
It can be difficult to transition larger projects
eternal compass
bro wtf, even I know that's a lie and I use Maven all the time
seriously, I like xml
cinder flare
seriously, I like xml
It's kinda like Java compared to Kotlin, a bunch of useless typing for no gain
eternal compass
eh, this is the first time I've ever used it, maybe I'll learn to hate it in the future
cinder flare
And in this case, Gradle is like 80% faster most of the time
prisma wave
eh, this is the first time I've ever used it, maybe I'll learn to hate it in the...
XML probably seems nice because you don't know any different
cinder flare
maybe thats it
have you tried yaml
eternal compass
have you tried yaml
yes
cinder flare
cause that shit is like butter
let me make a comparison for ya
maven is like json, gradle is like yaml
prisma wave
don't shit on json
eternal compass
erm
I personally prefer json to yaml, because it makes more sense even if its not tabbed correctly
prisma wave
lol
prisma wave
lol
eternal compass
java ^
stuck harbor
I love toml
eternal compass
:p
eternal compass
I love toml
toml is on the same level as yaml imo
prisma wave
Basically, gradle good maven bad
cinder flare
alright so maven is like java, gradle is like basically any other language
prisma wave
f# ๐คค
eternal compass
alright so maven is like java, gradle is like basically any other language
but- but I like javascript better than java
you're gonna hate me for that
stuck harbor
common lisp ๐คค
cinder flare
but we can work with it
eternal compass
fair enough
eternal compass
maven = [bad language], gradle = [good language]
I can understand that
cinder flare
you said this is your first time using maven?
prisma wave
lol
eternal compass
you said this is your first time using maven?
well, I've typed a line in xml before lol
but basically, yes
cinder flare
okay so make it your 0th
just use gradle right now
before you even get kinda used to maven
eternal compass
how do I switch?
stuck harbor
have u ever had to shade in maven? literally illegal
cinder flare
very easily
eternal compass
is there an easy way
jovial warren
I think one thing sums up why Gradle good Maven bad
prisma wave
have u ever had to shade in maven? literally illegal
50 lines of XML ๐ฉ
cinder flare
50 lines of XML ๐ฉ
hurry help him switch
prisma wave
hurry help him switch
u guys have it covered
prisma wave
I will just stand back and make annoying / funny comments every now and then
jovial warren
Gradle:
dependencies {
implementation 'org.kryptonmc:krypton-api:0.12'
}
Maven:
<dependencies>
<dependency>
<groupId>org.kryptonmc</groupId>
<artifactId>krypton-api</artifactId>
<version>0.12</version>
</dependency>
</dependencies>
personally #2 makes more sense to me, but I see your reasoning
stuck harbor
xml is not readable
cinder flare
@half harness โค๏ธ
eternal compass
lmao he actually did it, the mad lad
ik lol
stuck harbor
where are the spaces
eternal compass
where are the spaces
there aren't any, that way its not confusing
half harness
i forgot to remove pom.xml
prisma wave
personally #2 makes more sense to me, but I see your reasoning
1 is a syntax sugar, you can also do group: 'a', artifact: 'b', version: 'c'
cinder flare
yeah XML is more readable, I can agree there
like, barely? I dunno, i can read like 15 characters of groovy easier than parse like 4 tags in XML
half harness
also i just did this via github.com... so if i messed something up, whoops
stuck harbor
there aren't any, that way its not confusing
makes it hard to read
half harness
im not on pc
prisma wave
yeah XML is more readable, I can agree there
Yeah that's just a lie
jovial warren
1 is a syntax sugar, you can also do `group: 'a', artifact: 'b', version: 'c'`
yeah I was just about to mention that
stuck harbor
always be on PC
eternal compass
im not on pc
LOL
jovial warren
well, XML is more readable for beginners
eternal compass
its because I came from html / js ^
stuck harbor
I came from java
prisma wave
well, XML is more readable for beginners
I would again disagree
stuck harbor
i will die with java
cinder flare
I say, Maven is better for beginners, Gradle is better for pros
if we just indoctrinate them with gradle, they'll never have to suffer
it's like saying "python is better for beginners"
stuck harbor
I will die in a CoffinFactoryAbstractBuilder
jovial warren
which it is
cinder flare
yeah, but then they have to learn Java and they're fucked
jovial warren
true
pale shell
I would again disagree
XML is horrible vs Gradle.
half harness
@eternal compass u can merge now
pale shell
XML has like 5 lines vs the Gradle of 1 line.
stuck harbor
how about 0 lines?
prisma wave
o
stuck harbor
whitespace time
eternal compass
<@!547890787682222081> u can merge now
I'm gonna figure out how to test it first
prisma wave
You could use it in pretty much any situation
half harness
I'm gonna figure out how to test it first
lol ok
stuck harbor
mmmmmmhm
autumn tapir
Update 4 months later - the first release (0.0.1-alpha) was published recently
stuck harbor
I hate having to run gradle shadowJar build
autumn tapir
What do you think of this crafting API btw?
stuck harbor
I wish I could make build run shadowJar first
autumn tapir
const { crafting } = require('velt-helpers');
crafting.createShapelessRecipe([ 'flint', 'gold' ], 'flint and steel');
crafting.createShapedRecipe([ 'gold', 'diamond' ], 'diamond sword');
crafting.createShapedRecipe({
shape: [ 'gold', 'diamond' ],
result: 'diamond sword',
id: 'my_special_diamond_sword'
});
crafting.createFurnaceRecipe('coal', 'iron block')
ho hum
autumn tapir
Would this be simple enough
half harness
I hate having to run `gradle shadowJar build`
i thought it was just gradle shadowJar
stuck harbor
well it depends on ur config
jovial warren
is that Bukkit in JS
half harness
oh
jovial warren
๐คฎ
half harness
๐คฎ
stuck harbor
๐คข JS
eternal compass
```ts
const { crafting } = require('velt-helpers');
crafting.createShapelessRec...
flint and steel what...?
autumn tapir
๐คฎ Java
jovial warren
Bukkit in JS is just wrong
autumn tapir
`flint and steel` what...?
isn't that the name of the item
@jovial warren not really
eternal compass
theres spaces?
autumn tapir
java's a pain in the ass
jovial warren
jovial warren
compared with JS
eternal compass
js is ok, but that just looks wrong
autumn tapir
theres spaces?
auto-conversion to make code more repeatedable
stuck harbor
we use kotlin here
eternal compass
I guess?
autumn tapir
well it's just an idea for an api for crafting
cinder flare
I wish I could make build run shadowJar first
I know very little about gradle but I am 100% sure you can add build to run automatically after shade
jovial warren
yeah we use Kotlin
cinder flare
wtf
jovial warren
fair enough I guess
stuck harbor
I know very little about gradle but I am 100% sure you can add build to run auto...
prolly
cinder flare
those are two conflicting statements
prisma wave
kotlin is better then java
VERY controversial opinion
half harness
I know very little about gradle but I am 100% sure you can add build to run auto...
yea u can
prisma wave
You won't find many people agreeing with you here
stuck harbor
`defaultTasks 'clean', 'build'`
thanks
hot hull
kotlin is better then java
Clojure better
cinder flare
`defaultTasks 'clean', 'build'`
right at the top of your build.gralde
stuck harbor
yes frusty
autumn tapir
Typescript > Javascript > Kotlin > Java
Subjective personal opinion
stuck harbor
yesss
prisma wave
Clojure better
Agree
stuck harbor
clojure time
autumn tapir
Also there is some other benefits
cinder flare
Typescript > Javascript > Kotlin > Java
Subjective personal opinion
reverse that order and swap Kotlin and Java ๐
stuck harbor
ding dong
cinder flare
Clojure kinda stanky though
prisma wave
best JVM languages in order:
Elara
Clojure
Kotlin
Scala
Groovy
Java
stuck harbor
eeeeeeee
prisma wave
that's neat
jovial warren
NPM ๐คฎ
autumn tapir
And also all of the Java ecosystem too
eternal compass
in inteliJ how do I test out a commit?
(or a fork in this case)
jovial warren
that ecosystem is fucked
autumn tapir
So frameworks like discord.js, got, etc
cinder flare
Node too thicc
half harness
Typescript > Javascript > Kotlin > Java
Subjective personal opinion
Kotlin > Java (i haven't used the other langs much)
autumn tapir
@jovial warren Has some good modules tbh
cinder flare
overrated
jovial warren
one line package is-promise breaks NPM comes to mind
eternal compass
yes I need a 20MiB npm library
what sort of lib is that lol
cinder flare
JavaScript frameworks are shoddy creations built on a shoddy foundation (javascript) that are bound to fall apart
prisma wave
in inteliJ how do I test out a commit?
(or a fork in this case)
Checkout the branch
stuck harbor
every single one
autumn tapir
*one line package is-promise breaks NPM* comes to mind
i mean not all are good
ocean quartz
JS ๐ฌ
cinder flare
in inteliJ how do I test out a commit?
(or a fork in this case)
just checkout the branch and test it lol
autumn tapir
node-fetch
jovial warren
NPM is one of the worst ecosystems
autumn tapir
express
eternal compass
Checkout the branch
where do I do that? lol
autumn tapir
eh it's pretty good imo
prisma wave
rambda best js library
jovial warren
discord.js is just no
autumn tapir
discord.js is good tho?
prisma wave
d.js is nice
jovial warren
eh, maybe
jovial warren
I'm just a hard Kotlin fan lol
cinder flare
where do I do that? lol
should be bottom right ish in intellij, click on the little git thing
pale shell
discord.py is nice too.
jovial warren
discord.py is nice too.
leave
autumn tapir
const { Player, Zombie } = Java.pkg('org.bukkit.entity');
?
autumn tapir
Works just like any other classes
cinder flare
where do I do that? lol
otherwise, go to Git in the top, click Manage Remotes, change the url to the fork, checkout, then change it back after you merge it
stuck harbor
discord.elr @prisma wave ?
ocean quartz
Omg
pale shell
I prefer python so.
cinder flare
discord.py is nice too.
bro wtf
ocean quartz
Odin is back
pale shell
Sadly.
cinder flare
I prefer python so.
i prefer static typing thank you
prisma wave
discord.elr <@266973575225933824> ?
Soon
jovial warren
whoever made these frameworks for Python under the assumption that Python is somehow a language that's good for production should be shot I swear
cinder flare
python is a glorified scripting language and should be thought of as nothing more
stuck harbor
the ultimate general purpose language imo
jovial warren
Python is a decent language, but writing a web backend in Python is just
autumn tapir
i started with python
jovial warren
stuck harbor
well ofc bardy
prisma wave
I like how easy it is to just do stuff with things like node and py
jovial warren
you use that gif 10x a day
autumn tapir
would smth like this be good
autumn tapir
crafting.createShapelessRecipe([ 'flint', 'gold' ], 'flint and steel');
crafting.createShapedRecipe([ 'gold', 'diamond' ], 'diamond sword');
crafting.createShapedRecipe({
shape: [ 'gold', 'diamond' ],
result: 'diamond sword',
id: 'my_special_diamond_sword'
});
crafting.createFurnaceRecipe('coal', 'iron block')
hmmm
jovial warren
```ts
crafting.createShapelessRecipe([ 'flint', 'gold' ], 'flint and steel');
cr...
that's not bad I suppose
pale shell
Brister, did you remove that repo of the language you made?
cinder flare
You just npm i
i don't trust npm to manage anything for me
cinder flare
Brister, did you remove that repo of the language you made?
Elara? nah it's going strong
pale shell
omg brister fix your website it just blinded me
autumn tapir
ngl though TypeScript = EPIC
stuck harbor
Brister, did you remove that repo of the language you made?
elara always wins
pale shell
there was another one before that
cinder flare
ngl though TypeScript = EPIC
ya know, there are lots of other languages that support static typing
pale shell
nope
jovial warren
I'd rather write in Python than JS ngl
cinder flare
and you could choose like, any of them
stuck harbor
no other languages allowed
pale shell
there was another
autumn tapir
@cinder flare true but I just like Typescript
prisma wave
omg brister fix your website it just blinded me
What's wrong with it?
cinder flare
<@!186255788212355073> true but I just like Typescript
like, any other language
pale shell
Remember when everyone was making their own languages on here?
jovial warren
I don't like JS for one reason: lack of types
autumn tapir
@jovial warren Hello TS!
pale shell
What's wrong with it?
ok so, i'm in a basement = lighting and you website came up with the brightest yellow it could pick for the first color.
cinder flare
lol
I really like JS
several people are typing
jovial warren
you can run into some really really weird bugs when you don't have any type safety
eternal compass
how do I update inteliJ to use gradle instead of maven?
stuck harbor
hence typescript
autumn tapir
Exactly why Typescript exists
jovial warren
lol
> I really like JS
***several people are typing***
this is #dev-general, what do you expect
we are Kotlin fanboys here
autumn tapir
I'm adding Typescript support to my plugin
stuck harbor
how do I update inteliJ to use gradle instead of maven?
switch to netbeans ;)
pale shell
I've never touched Typescript
prisma wave
Brister, did you remove that repo of the language you made?
I assume you mean Frigga
cinder flare
bro Typescript is just duct tape over a leaking boat
pale shell
Is that the one you made when what's his name was making one too
autumn tapir
so life is easy with it
cinder flare
Sure it's a little nicer, still a shiny turd underneath
prisma wave
ok so, i'm in a basement = lighting and you website came up with the brightest y...
That's just bad luck I'm afraid, it's random colours ๐ฅฒ
prisma wave
Is that the one you made when what's his name was making one too
Yup
jovial warren
let's face it though, there is only one good API that exists for Minecraft
prisma wave
Haven't worked on that in a long time tho
cinder flare
Have you read like... any of the hundreds of articles about why JS sucks to work with?
pale shell
F
prisma wave
It's all about Elara now
pale shell
Elera?
stuck harbor
let's face it though, there is only one good API that exists for Minecraft
nms?
jovial warren
cinder flare
I eagerly await the day I can use any other language in the browser
autumn tapir
@cinder flare I mean yeah, but I've never really encountered much of a problem in the many projects I've made with it
cinder flare
WASM can't come soon ehough
stuck harbor
I love wasm
autumn tapir
@cinder flare There are many transpilers for JS
cinder flare
But they all have to be javascript at the end of the day
stuck harbor
I am a wasm fanboy basically
pale shell
brister, you know Elera is the 2nd google search result?
cinder flare
Which is the real problem
prisma wave
wot
cinder flare
<@!186255788212355073> There are many transpilers for JS
And trust me I know, Kotlin compiles to JS lmao
pale shell
prisma wave
O sick
autumn tapir
and TS
pale shell
you didn't know that?
jovial warren
ofc it is lol
stuck harbor
no prizes for second place bm
autumn tapir
I prefer it over every other language
jovial warren
there's probably like 10 repos named elara on GitHub
autumn tapir
tbh I think we can all agree that
prisma wave
Nah I memorised the link off by heart so no need to Google
autumn tapir
"Skript" is terrible
prisma wave
It will be #1 soon ๐
stuck harbor
skript is good for what its for
jovial warren
"Skript" is terrible
I strongly strongly second this notion
pale shell
"off by heart" it's probs in your auto search thing LOL
autumn tapir
skript is good for what its for
Not for what most people use it for
prisma wave
Also wtf chat is so busy rn
jovial warren
the reason why I hate Skript so much is because I see it as an excuse for server owners to not learn Java
prisma wave
"off by heart" it's probs in your auto search thing LOL
That is true ๐ฅฒ
jovial warren
which frustrates me
stuck harbor
Not for what most people use it for
well yes
autumn tapir
@jovial warren just learn JS nowadays
stuck harbor
who would learn java
autumn tapir
fundamentally Skript isn'tterrible
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
Also wtf chat is so busy rn
I look away for 5 seconds and there's about 30 new messages
stuck harbor
just learn ceylon
jovial warren
cough Skript Anti Cheat cough
jovial warren
cough $30 on MCM cough
jovial warren
cough 2000 buyers cough
cinder flare
Sounds like a JS developer to me
autumn tapir
6k lines
sounds like a Skript "developer" to me
JS has good features
Wasn't the best at the start tho
cinder flare
Hence why my pages take seconds to load
autumn tapir
But it has some really good features
stuck harbor
use rust
jovial warren
Skript isn't even a programming language, that's where people make the mistake
autumn tapir
@cinder flare Not for me so ๐คทโโ๏ธ
stuck harbor
and wasm
jovial warren
it's a scripting language
stuck harbor
and golang
jovial warren
and writing scripts in Skript isn't exactly difficult lol
it's not a programming language
cinder flare
But it has some really good features
I'm sure other languages exist that have the same features but are better in every way and logically organized
jovial warren
I stand by that firmly
autumn tapir
Just learn kotlin or JS or for fuck's sake, even Java
autumn tapir
I'm sure other languages exist that have the same features but are better in eve...
It also has some really nice syntax
eternal compass
@half harness what should by gitignore be for Gradle?
autumn tapir
and I just personally prefer it
since it's simple, nice, concise, and has syntax i like a lot
half harness
<@!521485088995672084> what should by gitignore be for Gradle?
build and .gradle
stuck harbor
just learn haxe @Server Owners
prisma wave
it's a scripting language
Which is still a programming language
lunar cypress
it's a scripting language
could you give some definitions
stuck harbor
sheesh
jovial warren
<@!521485088995672084> what should by gitignore be for Gradle?
.gradle, .idea, build
jovial warren
`build` and `.gradle`
you forgot .idea
autumn tapir
It's subjectively the best @cinder flare
eternal compass
you forgot `.idea`
thats the same as maven, so its fine
half harness
you forgot `.idea`
i assumed he already knows
autumn tapir
Also it has a big community and lots of npm libraries
half harness
yes
jovial warren
oh btw Corman, replies exist now ๐
cinder flare
It's subjectively the best <@!186255788212355073>
I just can never get behind the inconsistencies and how shitty npm is
eternal compass
`.gradle`, `.idea`, `build`
could I see an example?
prisma wave
yeah .idea is general
half harness
i didn't forget ๐ค
jovial warren
could I see an example?
.gradle/
.idea/
build/
```ezI haven't even noticed, it works fine for me
cinder flare
could I see an example?
google gradle .gitignore
half harness
could I see an example?
right click build and git -> add to gitignore ez
stuck harbor
ew
prisma wave
Is skript Turing complete?
stuck harbor
thats not very emacs of you young man
jovial warren
oh no
autumn tapir
I think so
stuck harbor
never click
prisma wave
oh no
cinder flare
true == 1 // true
true == "1" // true
false == 0 // true
false == "0" // true
false == undefined // false
false == null // false
null == undefined // true
elara in skript coming soon
jovial warren
you and your "turing complete" BM
prisma wave
yeah
prisma wave
you and your "turing complete" BM
Well obviously I would prefer church completeness
lunar cypress
Turing complete is only math computations tho
"math computations", what the hell does that mean
cinder flare
"\t\r\n" == 0 // true
"\t\r\n 16 \t\r\n" == 16 // true
"\t\r\n 16 \t\r\n" == "16" // false
solving anything math-related?
autumn tapir
```javascript
"\t\r\n" == 0 // true
"\t\r\n 16 \t\r\n" == 16 ...
Use ===
jovial warren
```javascript
true == 1 // true
true == "1" // true
fa...
yeah that just sums up the problem with JS in a nutshell
stuck harbor
mafs
cinder flare
16 == [16] // true
16 == [1,6] // false
"1,6" == [1,6] // true
So why tf does == exist then'
lunar cypress
and what exactly counts as "math-related"
autumn tapir
Modern JS can solve it
prisma wave
```javascript
true == 1 // true
true == "1" // true
fa...
That's JS, not npm
jovial warren
`===` solves all those problems
yeah but you shouldn't have to do that just to guarantee type safety
prisma wave
But yeah
cinder flare
var a = "1"
var b = 2
var c = a + b // c = "12"
Is a compiler math related?
autumn tapir
And they can't remove it for backward-compatibility
jovial warren
oh btw, you know replies exist now @autumn tapir
prisma wave
JS type coercion really isn't as bad as people think it is
autumn tapir
```javascript
var a = "1"
var b = 2
var c = a + b // c = "12"
```
Use let and const and also use TS
cinder flare
alert((![]+[])[+[]]+(![]+[])[+!+[]]+([![]]+[][[]])[+!+[]+[+[]]]+(![]+[])[!+[]+!+[]]);
there we go
autumn tapir
and I do
jovial warren
```javascript
alert((![]+[])[+[]]+(![]+[])[+!+[]]+([![]]+[][[]])[+!+[]+[+[]]]+(!...
what
the
actual
fuck
autumn tapir
again
cinder flare
type that bad boy into the console
autumn tapir
side effect of past js
cinder flare
it gives you an alert :)
jovial warren
please tell me that fails to compile
autumn tapir
with smth like TS
jovial warren
oh. my. god
autumn tapir
and also
jovial warren
you're joking
prisma wave
coffeescript is the future
cinder flare
side effect of past js
why don't they remove all those shitty features and maybe I'll like JS again
autumn tapir
as long as you're not being dumb
autumn tapir
why don't they remove all those shitty features and maybe I'll like JS again
backwards compatibility
prisma wave
why don't they remove all those shitty features and maybe I'll like JS again
Backwards compatibility
cinder flare
fuck it