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#dev-general
prisma wave
lunar cypress
o7
pliant badger
did anybody here ever run some IDE's on the raspberry pi 4?
stuck harbor
no
heady birch
I mean, I reckon you could technically run IntelliJ on a raspberry pi
Might need to be the more than 1GB ram models
old wyvern
😮
prisma wave
jesus
jovial warren
forest pecan
lol
half harness
😂
prisma wave
hello mr docker expert @frigid badge
yugi and i are looking into remaking clash of code and we wanna run our infrastructure plan by you to make sure it's ok
so we need to make some sort of service for safe code execution and the obvious option for that is docker. since containers are kinda slow to startup we're planning to "pool" them so the service has relatively low latency. then we'd have some web api that automatically finds a free container and runs the code.
this seems fine but i have a few questions:
- should our images be able to run code in any language, or should we cluster containers based on language to keep the image size down?
- is a service like AWS lambda or azure functions appropriate for this?
- if not, is kubernetes appropriate?
- if not, what is?
cheers
steel heart
have you ever thought about mutability
prisma wave
no
lunar cypress
I wouldn't write my own code execution stuff if I were you
prisma wave
why not?
lunar cypress
There's just so many things that can and will go wrong
prisma wave
yeah that seems reasonable
ocean quartz
I am very confused right now, wtf, on a slightly older version of paper for 1.16.5 rainbow nick names work fine, but on the latest version it somehow adds an r to the end of the nickname .-.
forest pecan
hello mr docker expert <@!235142971882733569>
yugi and i are looking into remak...
if you use elara you wouldn't have to ask 🌚
forest pecan
I am very confused right now, wtf, on a slightly older version of paper for 1.16...
whats the mattr
prisma wave
elara infrastructure 🥲
forest pecan
Yes
prisma wave
our service will of course support elara execution
forest pecan
!!!
ocean quartz
I wonder if it's because of adventure version 
prisma wave
classic adventure
lunar cypress
okay jmh monkaW
jovial warren
seems legit
half harness
;-;
jovial warren
oh btw, not a priority for Krypton of course, but just wondering, thinking about proxies, should I:
a) support BungeeCord
b) support Velocity
c) support LilyPad
d) support all of them
or e) make my own proxy from scratch
I suppose I could dkim
old wyvern
Use elara/proxy
jovial warren
eh, it's basically just Krypton without the BS lol
all I have to do is forward packets
actually, thinking about proxies, I might work with Geyser at some point to introduce Bedrock support to Krypton
ocean quartz
Is there a way to log a message to console without it becoming colored? Hard to debug because console will parse the colors
winter iron
log to file and open file 
ocean quartz
Surprisingly println parses color on paper as well
ocean quartz
I don't understand
old wyvern
Sometimes I just can't understand Bukkit
@neat pawntract("null -> null") 🥲
oh
Sorry for the tag con
half harness
lol
old wyvern
Even if i delete its going to be a ghost tag so just gonna leave it there
lunar cypress
How much time do you guys think is reasonable to measure the performance of stuff like ArrayList#add
half harness
@Yugi
lunar cypress
I'm currently adding elements for 10 seconds straight and I arrive at a bit more than 10 million elements
not sure what's most representative
old wyvern
Whats the default starting size for an array list?
obtuse gale
alot
lunar cypress
the default initial capacity is like 32
lunar cypress
I think it's 2x, no?
although you can technically adjust it
I'm just using the defaults right now
old wyvern
Lemme confirm, for some reason i remember someone telling me about 1.5 being the default
Yea best to benchmark on* default probably
since those would really impact the result
obtuse gale
vector::reserve, imagine
lunar cypress
initial capacity is 10
lunar cypress
Yea best to benchmark on* default probably
yeah but for how long is the question
old wyvern
Yea one moment, just making sure of the growth factor
lunar cypress
I've adjusted the benchmark I sent you the day before yesterday a bit because the the collections weren't reset after each iteration for example
now, with 10 seconds per iteration clojure and java arrive at almost the exact same benchmark results
(I don't run into a bottleneck anymore I think)
I think like 10 million elements is a reasonable size to work with
old wyvern
int newCapacity = oldCapacity + (oldCapacity >> 1);
Seems to be 1.5 times in java 8
Not sure about newer
old wyvern
now, with 10 seconds per iteration clojure and java arrive at almost the exact s...
ohhh nice
lunar cypress
Ah, they scale it too
old wyvern
Is the repo updated?
lunar cypress
not yet
old wyvern
I wanan try again to figure out what went wrong in my run on it
lunar cypress
would probably make sense to do that to confirm
although be warned, I also test sets and maps now and thus the time it takes will probably be > 15 min
it's up now
for a quicker test set the forks to 0 in the jmh configuration in build.gradle
clojure's map and set actually performed better than HashMap and HashSet
in my tests
Although I'm willing to bet that there will be different results again lol
for anyone who wants to waste some of their computer resources: Clone https://github.com/JohnnyJayJay/persistent-data-structures-benchmark
and run ./gradlew jmh
old wyvern
lol
old wyvern
although be warned, I also test sets and maps now and thus the time it takes wil...
ah alright, ill set it to run when im free then
half harness
build.gradle.kts > build.gradle?
old wyvern
build.gradle.kts > build.gradle?
For my use-cases no, I've found no difference. But from what other people here say, its supposed to be better
half harness
hm
lunar cypress
I prefer it, yes
Because I know more kotlin than groovy and because I like it being statically typed
lunar cypress
<@234343108773412864> ill try run it now
ty
obtuse gale
```int newCapacity = oldCapacity + (oldCapacity >> 1);```
Seems to be 1.5 times ...
Does the compiler not optimize / n or * n ops (where n = 2^k) to bit shifts already?
If it doesn't then Java is fucking stupid
old wyvern
I think those would be done by the JIT compiler, so maybe they used that there to make sure it acts consistently
lunar cypress
javac barely optimises anything
old wyvern
I see
lunar cypress
The things it does optimise you can count on one hand
obtuse gale
Does it include multiplications and divisions by powers of two? Lmao
lunar cypress
- putting eligible values in the constant pool for inlining (
static final) - evaluating compile time constant expressions
I'm not aware of anything else it does
obtuse gale
Whack
winter iron
@lunar cypress i ran ur benchmark and just got back to it
tf am i supposed to be looking at
i got lots of numbers
?paste
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
winter iron
lunar cypress
oh yeah could you look at build/results/jmh/results.txt?
winter iron
Benchmark Mode Cnt Score Error Units
ClojureAddition.benchmarkMap avgt 15 830.320 ± 30.948 ns/op
ClojureAddition.benchmarkSet avgt 15 842.206 ± 10.689 ns/op
ClojureAddition.benchmarkVector avgt 15 362.187 ± 18.946 ns/op
JavaAddition.benchmarkArrayList avgt 15 347.367 ± 6.603 ns/op
JavaAddition.benchmarkHashMap avgt 15 772.965 ± 13.422 ns/op
JavaAddition.benchmarkHashSet avgt 15 772.150 ± 11.346 ns/op
judging from those numbers I can already tell your cpu is about 3 times faster than mine
onyx loom
lol bad pc
winter iron
xd
lunar cypress
yeah
winter iron
5800x
onyx loom
👀
winter iron
i just went for shower and shit then came back
lunar cypress
thanks, those are great results
winter iron
that'll be $400 for power consumption and hardware expense pls
lunar cypress
they seem a bit more realistic than mine, I probably did run into a bottleneck with map and set
:^)
prisma wave
hi fp gods, been trying to make a functional lexer and i have been having a bit of trouble
onyx loom
^
winter iron
@prisma wave can u help this dood
prisma wave
sure
send the code
1 sec, just trying to get it
https://paste.helpch.at/ukewemegod.cs ok so this is everything i have so far
it stackoverflows when it encounters a number
i know im doing something wrong here, just not sure what the better approach would be
errant geyser
what language is that
obtuse gale
GitHub added this "Dark dimmed" dark mode (feature preview or w/e)
old wyvern
f#
obtuse gale
It looks so
washed
so little contrast
HOLY
the explore page doesn't have dark mode
🥲
this looks so washed out
lunar cypress
i know im doing something wrong here, just not sure what the better approach wou...
but you do know what the problem here is?
old wyvern
might be str |> lex
prisma wave
yeah ive realised why it was stackoverflowing
yeah
wasnt discarding the first char
old wyvern
ah
lunar cypress
yes
prisma wave
str
|> Seq.tail
|> lex
|> Seq.ofList
|> Seq.takeWhile (fun token -> token.tokenType = Number)
|> Seq.map (fun token -> token.value.Value)
|> String.concat ""
|> (+) (Seq.head str |> string)
|> fun num -> [token Number (Some num)]
``` i now have this, but i cant figure out how to get the "leftover" from takeWhile so i can lex the restin all of the single char symbols id just do [ nullToken Division ] @ lex (Seq.tail str) but cant really do that here (@ is list concatentation in case you didnt realise)
which is why i think takeWhile isnt the best approach
i just cant think of anything else
lunar cypress
The book I'm currently reading implements a very simple arithmetic language in OCaml, maybe you can find inspiration there
just need to find the source code
(they don't discuss the lexer in the book)
prisma wave
Yeah that would be useful, I couldn't find many code examples that didn't use a parser generator
errant geyser
this looks so washed out
Fefo I love orange right, but what the fuck is that
half harness
this looks so washed out
that orange tho
obtuse gale
It was a trap all along!
obtuse gale
that orange tho
??? I'm talking about GitHub's new "dark dimmed" theme
lunar cypress
ok this looks way more advanced than the stuff I'm currently at in the book
old wyvern
```fs
str
|> Seq.tail
|> lex
|> ...
Maybe you can try something similar to the groupConsecutive that we tried yesterday with rambda
prisma wave
hmm yeah perhaps
prisma wave
ok this looks way more advanced than the stuff I'm currently at in the book
yeah that looks pretty complicated
lunar cypress
the evaluator looked way more similar to the style you use
I have no idea what the hell rule main = parse ... is
errant geyser
It's you not loving orange
My room is orange.
prisma wave
yeah i barely understand any ocaml
old wyvern
wut
cinder flare
Made Easy
ocean quartz
Lmao
lunar cypress
[Budget] $ sqrt(10000)
old wyvern
lmao
cinder flare
[Budget] $ math.floor(.1000)
old wyvern
[Budget] (x^2 - 1000 = 0), Solve for $ x
cinder flare
[Budget] (x^2 - 1000 = 0), Solve for $ x
hit me with some surprise algebra there lol
old wyvern
😌
cinder flare
[Budget] f(x) = 32x^3 + 12x^2 + 2x + 4, find df/dx
old wyvern
lmao
[Budget] f(x,y) = x^2 * cos(2y^2 + xy ) dydx ∮((y[0,1])e^y * xy + 2 * x^3 * sin(Q+Pi)), find ∬f(x,y)dydx
steel heart
jesus
grand pumice
i need help!
old wyvern
Yes you do!
grand pumice
how do i make my menus auto update
old wyvern
grand pumice
on deluxemneu
cinder flare
[Budget] f(x,y) = x^2 * cos(2y^2 + xy ) dydx ∮((y[0,1])e^y * xy + 2 * x^3 * sin(...
jesus h christ
lunar cypress
∮ tf is this
cinder flare
yeah no I saw that and googled it and it scared me
cinder flare
https://sourceb.in/1fGfIsEulb this is kinda hot tho
yeah those |'s are kinda nice. What language is that?
lunar cypress
Closed integral
you mean a regular riemann integral?
prisma wave
although those |'s are present in quite a few functional languages
lunar cypress
Such as java
prisma wave
🥲
prisma wave
smart casting in java
old wyvern
@gusty glen https://github.com/Vshnv/hasklash
You can have a look at this if you want, only haskell program I have wrote, probably not a good example but somewhat of an example
old wyvern
you mean a regular riemann integral?
I mean a closed integral
lunar cypress
ok, guess idk what that is
gusty glen
can you translate this code to kotlin/java or whatever just so I understand what's going on?
execute :: Maybe LoginResult -> IO ()
execute (Just result) = do
game <- createPrivateGame [] [] result
case game >>= Just . handleToLink of
{(Just a) -> putStrLn a
;Nothing -> return ()
}
execute Nothing = return ()```Theres more to that fucntion definition actually
prisma wave
yeah you're missing the last line
old wyvern
execute Nothing = return ()
prisma wave
man you cant even do is with Optionals
thats a shame
fun execute(result: LoginResult?) = when(result) {
null -> return
else -> {
val game = createPrivateGame(emptyList(), emptyList(), result)
when (val a = handleToLink(game)) {
null -> return
else -> println(a)
}
}
}
i think this is roughly equivalent
there is no direct equivalent to the IO monad in kotlin tho ofc
old wyvern
Something like Future is probably usable in place
prisma wave
probably yeah
I think the reason we/I like FP isn't just about syntax alone, it's how you can break things down into incredibly simple functions really easily, and then compose those functions together to make really nice code
there's also some super cool features that most functional languages have that most OO ones don't
old wyvern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YbK8o9rZfI
Watch this when you have time @gusty glen
gusty glen
what is a monoid?
gusty glen
Watch this when you have time <@!274229586961629185>
ok
prisma wave
what is a monoid?
no idea
type Token =
| Number of int
| Addition
| Subtraction
| Multiplication
| Division
something like this is really nice for example
the closest kotlin equivalent would be a sealed class and some objects
sealed class Token()
object Addition : Token()
...
data class Number(val x: Int) : Token()
and while im somewhat biased, f# has some really nice syntax sugars that make common things much nicer, namely |> and >>
gusty glen
and while im somewhat biased, f# has some really nice syntax sugars that make co...
what are those, what do they do
>> == bitshift to the right
prisma wave
they basically just remove the need for parentheses
prisma wave
`>>` == bitshift to the right
not in this context
so let's say you want to apply multiple functions to an object. in kotlin you might do a(b(blah))
in f# it would be a (b blah)
prisma wave
infix wont work here
gusty glen
why?
prisma wave
a and b only take 1 parameter
old wyvern
what is a monoid?
Ill try to explain, not sure if this would be the correct way to define them. Its like a group of "things" that can be combined in some way and that way is associative* and has an identity
prisma wave
let me try and make a more concrete example
although the issue is kotlin is mostly OO style whereas F# is prefix
so
gusty glen
Ill try to explain, not sure if this would be the correct way to define them. It...
the only thing what I found useful in monoids as far as I saw was combining a bunch of booleans together
but I already kinda do this with extensions functions (i know it's not the same, I'm talking only about usability)
old wyvern
the only thing what I found useful in monoids as far as I saw was combining a bu...
How about addition?
Or Multiplication
Consider them under integers
They are monoids
Even in Real numbers they satisfy rules for monoids actually
gusty glen
why would I want to chain a lot of additions?
old wyvern
yea
old wyvern
why would I want to chain a lot of additions?
That was an example of course
In usage in programming, Have you worked with Futures or Optionals?
gusty glen
That was an example of course
yeah ik, that's why I said booleans, bc it was the only real usage I thought myself using
gusty glen
In usage in programming, Have you worked with Futures or Optionals?
Future == async/await and Optional is like returning null but it doesn't suck, right?
prisma wave
let's say for example we want to parse an url and get the last part of it. so url.com/hello/world would give us world
This is fairly simple, we just get the last index of / and substring
in kotlin it could be done with something like ```kt
url.substring(url.lastIndexOf('/') + 1)
FP usually uses a prefix notation that you might know from procedural languages, so to make it more equivalent we'll do ```kt
substring(url, lastIndexOf(url, '/') + 1)
In F# the direct equivalent would be ```fs
substring (url (lastIndexOf url '/' + 1))
however we dont really like parentheses in FP, so we'll use the `|>` operator to make it a bit more readable
```fs
lastIndexOf url '/' |> (+) 1 |> substring url
Here we have no parentheses and the logic looks more like the OO version in that it reads left to right
sorry for wall of text
old wyvern
Future == async/await and Optional is like returning null but it doesn't suck, r...
There you go, those 2 are monoids
prisma wave
basically, a (b x) in F# can be replaced with b x |> a or x |> b |> a
so a more realistic example, we can do ```fs
numbers
|> List.filter isEven
|> List.reduce (+)
instead of ```fs
List.reduce (+) (List.filter isEven numbers)
it might look minor but it's surprisingly versatile
gusty glen
so a more realistic example, we can do ```fs
numbers
|> List.filter isEven
...
this is cleaner, but in the first example I still prefer the first two lines oppose to the last two
prisma wave
probably because you're not used to it
i like OO receiver style in stuff like streams
but F#'s is very clean too
gusty glen
what is reduce btw?
prisma wave
it basically joins all of the elements into thing with a function
gusty glen
probably because you're not used to it
you are probably right here, but I really don't like |> (+) 1 |>
prisma wave
java / kotlin has it too
gusty glen
you are probably right here, but I really don't like `|> (+) 1 |>`
appart from that, the rest is really cleaner
prisma wave
we can do ```kt
listOf(1, 2, 3).reduce(Int::plus)
listOf(1, 2, 3).sum()
which bit about that is bad?
the (+)?
gusty glen
which bit about that is bad?
idk, probably everything, my brain just emitted that signal of "not pleasuring" for some reason
prisma wave
lmao
cinder flare
`printfn "%d" (1 + 2)` becomes `1 + 2 |> printfn "%d"`
speaking of printf, I just remembered how much I love Kotlin's string interpolation thingy where you do like println("Potato count: $pcount")
prisma wave
yeah string interpolation is very nice
cinder flare
i don't know why more languages don't have it
concatenation takes up sooo much space
prisma wave
a lot of modern ones seem to be adding it
steel heart
like it
prisma wave
sexy
gusty glen
imagine
cinder flare
lastIndexOf url '/' |> (+) 1 |> substring url
there's a lot of symbols going on there that I don't understand
prisma wave
idk, probably everything, my brain just emitted that signal of "not pleasuring" ...
fair enough. the reason that works is because operators like + and / are just functions, so we can do (+) 1 2 and it's the same as 1 + 2
steel heart
but its good because it cuts down on verbosity
gusty glen
instead of lastIndexOf url '/' |> (+) 1 |> substring url it could be lastIndexOf url '/' + 1 |> substring url
lunar cypress
With the correct parentheses sure
steel heart
or rather it gets easier to read arguably
prisma wave
(lastIndexOf url '/') + 1 |> substring url``` would work i thinkthis remember me of java method reference
prisma wave
it's very similar yeah
except in functional languages you would just use the name of the function
gusty glen
that's why I thought lastIndexOf url '/' + 1 |> substring url looks cleaner, probably
prisma wave
map functionName list
``` instead of ```kt
list.map(::functionName)
in my head list map functionName would be the best, the order of operations are right
I will try to explain
prisma wave
Yeah sometimes OO style reads better, which is another thing |> is for
gusty glen
Like "grab list, call map and pass functionName as parameter"
old wyvern
$ ftw
prisma wave
list |> map functionName
map functionName list
gusty glen
```fs
list |> map functionName
```
yeah that's what I'm talking about
prisma wave
Mhm
I agree it looks nicer
Anyway this isn't really a benefit of FP, just me jerking to F#
most functional languages usually have something similar though
lunar cypress
Having a "special" parameter makes it more complex
prisma wave
Haskell has $, clojure has ->>
gusty glen
Haskell has $, clojure has ->>
what is that
prisma wave
Rough equivalents of |> afaik
lunar cypress
$? Not really
old wyvern
🥲
prisma wave
Yeah $ is slightly different, not sure what the closest thing in haskell is
Yugi probably knows
Isn't it << or something?
gusty glen
ok I'm not so mad anymore with Haskell
old wyvern
$ just changes associativity at that point, basically tells it to evalutate the RHS as the next expression
prisma wave
Although haskell is a pretty tricky language
prisma wave
$ just changes associativity at that point, basically tells it to evalutate the ...
Right
old wyvern
Although haskell is a pretty tricky language
But feels really nice when you actually get something to work
🥲
lunar cypress
Docs from 1998
gusty glen
gusty glen
rate this class (not mine): https://github.com/robingrether/iDisguise/blob/maste...
from 1 to 10, in lvl of bloatness
prisma wave
19481
gusty glen
lunar cypress
Cant even open it
gusty glen
I was trying to understand this code, but I eventually gave up
old wyvern
rate this class (not mine): https://github.com/robingrether/iDisguise/blob/maste...
oh god
Oh.... god....
prisma wave
Literal war crime
old wyvern
lunar cypress
Ok i did not need to see that
cinder flare
rate this class (not mine): https://github.com/robingrether/iDisguise/blob/maste...
Has that man ever heard of empty lines between statements to logically group things? or comments? jesus christ that's code is more condensed than the milk in tarkov
old wyvern
Anyway, procrastinating again, be back in like 30 mins 🥲
prisma wave
Au revoir
lunar cypress
Same same
gusty glen
Has that man ever heard of empty lines between statements to logically group thi...
or maybe even creating functions with descriptive name to break down the logic
this code is madness
prisma wave
Functions 🙂
cinder flare
nah nah nah bro, you've heard of branchless programming but have you heard of branch-exclusive programming?
gusty glen
I use functions and methods interchangeably
prisma wave
Methods 😫
cinder flare
here in branch-exclusive land, we only use branches that's it. The code goes in one line down the screen
prisma wave
nah nah nah bro, you've heard of branchless programming but have you heard of *...
dear god
gusty glen
nah nah nah bro, you've heard of branchless programming but have you heard of *...
what is branch exclusive programming?
prisma wave
Gonna go to bed thinking about the fact that a command parser is functionally pure (apart from actually doing the stuff)
Mmm
Sweet dreams
prisma wave
gn
A pure function is a function that
A) always gives the same output for the same input
B) has no side effects or relies on external state
gusty glen
like KOTLIN fun yes (a: Int, b: Int) = a + b?
gusty glen
oh, ok
prisma wave
Pure functions are cool but sadly rare in the real world ☹️
cinder flare
well yeah having side effects and relying on external state is what like 80% of functions do
gusty glen
im a pure function
do you want to get impure?
cinder flare
dude imagine
forest pecan
do you want to get impure?
yes make me not virgin
cinder flare
i, for one, care about how my code looks to me than the product does or works to the end user
ever seen that donut-shaped C code that makes a spinning donut?
that's what I strive for, every day
prisma wave
well yeah having side effects and relying on external state is what like 80% of ...
In Haskell, we pretend everything is pure even though it isn't 🙂
cinder flare
if i have a vague interpretation of what a function does and i read the four words in the javadoc, that's enough for me boss
black box and all that
even if it's my job to edit the code inside that black box lol
forest pecan
four words is better than no words
cinder flare
four words is better than no words
not when it's
/**
* sets the array of nullable strings
* @param nss array of nullable strings
*/
public void setArrayOfNullableStrings(String[] nss) {
blah
}
:(
obtuse gale
Bukkit be like
/**
* Return the X coordinate.
* @return the X coordinate.
*/
public double getX() {
return x;
}
dude my favorite part of Kotlin is automatic getters and setters
it seriously hurts my comprehension of lots of code to have all those scattered arouhnhd
gusty glen
Bukkit be like
```java
/**
* Return the X coordinate.
* @return the X coordinate...
HmmM what getX dOeS?
cinder flare
when I was working on a large codebase to add a small feature, I just used IntelliJ to collapse all irrelevant methods and I gotta say 10/10 it really helped me focus
gusty glen
let me upload to hastebin
steel heart
Bukkit be like
```java
/**
* Return the X coordinate.
* @return the X coordinate...
ROFLMAO
why is that so true
cinder flare
bro your code would be like 80% better if you a. put some blank lines between logical chunks of code and b. slapped some squiggly brackets in for every if statement, that way it is clear what is calling what. One-line if statements are hard to parse
gusty glen
I think I had two migraines while writting this code
gusty glen
bro your code would be like 80% better if you a. put some blank lines between lo...
this is part of the code I did as part of my final paper
I was in a hurry and just needed it to work asap, so I didn't really my best to format everything, and also it's not kotlin
cinder flare
yeah it not being Kotlin does make me a bit sad
I really wish I was allowed to submit Kotlin for my class assignments
gusty glen
I really wish I was allowed to submit Kotlin for my class assignments
I WAS at the time, I just thought I wouldn't grasp its concepts fast, so I just went with the default java
cinder flare
bruh
CS 1410 is slow af
he just taught us enums
meanwhile CS 2420 I'm learning maze solving and shit, it's awesome
none of which is in Kotlin still though
gusty glen
Computer Science class 1410
is this number special in some way? sorry I'm not familiar with those
old wyvern
In Haskell, we pretend everything is pure even though it isn't 🙂
liftIO 🥲
cinder flare
courses are just assigned arbitrary numbers vaguely in order of difficulty
so like you start in CS 1400, then CS 1410, then CS 2420, then like CS 3200 or CS 3600
cinder flare
But what did you do to get banned in the first place 🤔
old wyvern
But what did you do to get banned in the first place 🤔
Inactivity, they thought my account was a bot
cinder flare
lmao I haven't used twitter in years and mine's still going strong.
it actually got hacked once
old wyvern
lmao I haven't used twitter in years and mine's still going strong.
The difference is, I'hadnt used twitter at all
I just had an account coz I had to link it in some applications
regal gale
2fa is your friend 
jovial warren
Lol
stuck harbor
I love OAuth2
quiet depot
@cinder flare I think that's just america
don't think the universities where I live do that
old wyvern
I have something similar too at my uni pig
This semester:
The last digit seems to show the order of the course
Like with MAT3003, we finished MAT3002 and 3001 in previous semesters
Altho that doesnt seem to follow in all subjects tho
But the main ones do seem to follow that
frigid badge
how did you contact them? Everything I try does not reach them
old wyvern
how did you contact them? Everything I try does not reach them
There was a button on that "Account suspended" pop-up below, In which I had to fill out a form and about the issue. They then mailed me to verify that I had access to my email, after replying they unsuspended in like 3-4 days
old wyvern
frigid badge
yeah I have the same email
old wyvern
Opinion on using Ktor or spring for a very simple rest api?
winter iron
ktor
i used it
very easy to use
when i say i used it, i was literally just tryna learn it
and found it very easy and good
old wyvern
I mean I barely have much to do, like just push some data to firebase and some to a local db
Only thinking of doing this coz I cant be arsed to do it in erlang
prisma wave
Go maybe?
half harness
yeah I had to mail them to verify as well but never got a response after that
lol I haven't used twitter in like a year and it's still alive 🥳
jovial warren
Ktor is really nice wdym
static zealot
jovial warren
lol
jovial warren
Ktor is really idiomatic for Kotlin 🙂
I can only recommend Spring though, as that’s the only one I’ve used
Spring for small projects though is overkill
so is Ktor
jovial warren
https://i.imgur.com/LtrV2Ry.png
where do you live? Antarctica?
static zealot
nah. Just sometimes it does that for some reason.
jovial warren
lol
static zealot
it just goes to 100-400B and never goes up until the download is finished or cancelled
if I cancel and restart it just goes back to normal speeds
static zealot
you probably want to ask in #minecraft
tropic mountain
Alright
jovial warren
also, good luck getting support with old, outdated and deprecated versions like 1.8 and 1.7
jovial warren
Oh btw, just thought I’d say for those not in the Krypton Discord, when 1.17 releases, I will not just drop all the progress we’ve made with 1.16.5 just to support the latest version. If Krypton 1.16.5 isn’t at least stable enough that it functions by the time that 1.17 comes out, it will remain on 1.16.5 until it is. Sounds like a good idea, right?
jovial warren
nice
half harness
Oh btw, just thought I’d say for those not in the Krypton Discord, when 1.17 rel...
krypton has a discord?
😮
jovial warren
krypton has a discord?
Look on the GitHub page, it's the third badge on the top
Will be fun to have you around lol
half harness
jovial warren
Anyone expierienced with Ghidra?
There's documentation everywhere for that I swear
jovial warren
Or reverse engineering in particular?
unkempt tangle
got some encrypted binary lua files, and I wanna decrypt them.
But as far I can see there are no particular (decryption) happening whenever the files get loaded.
jovial warren
Without the key, you're out of luck
unkempt tangle
static zealot
holly shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WWfMmoGAKc
unkempt tangle
Actually I wanna find out where the "decryption" actually happening.
jovial warren
holly shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WWfMmoGAKc
I've seen that
I've actually used that pack before as well
jovial warren
Maybe it's something else then
old wyvern
holly shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WWfMmoGAKc
Hyperbolic space 😌
unkempt tangle
:'C
jovial warren
I mean, technically, you're not actually making the world round. Rendering shapes reality, it doesn't change it. A.k.a the blocks and the world are still flat, but your perception of them is they're round.
May or may not have just referenced Doctor Strange lol
Anyone who actually got that reference, 
Lol
old wyvern
2 words at most
The language of the mystic arts is as old as civilization. The sorcerers of antiquity called the use of this language "spells". But if that word offends your modern sensibilities, you can call it "program". The source code that shapes reality. We harness energy drawn from other dimensions of the multiverse, to cast spells, conjure shields and weapons to make magic.
Yo random question. So I had this before and seems to have returned. When I try to type a " or a ' it doesn't actually show until I put another character after or just press a key like space enter etc. this is more of a windows related question tho because it happens in IJ and Discord and Browser so I assume that's the problem
static zealot
yeah I know. Just this last windows update messed a few things and I also did play with the language but idk why it would do this
stuck harbor
@prisma wave very accurate OOP to Functional comparison
hot hull
Lol
forest pecan
I feel like oo is more complicated but more flexibility and fp is less complicated to understand but harder to plan out
half harness
oo
hot hull
What are the last three patterns?
lunar cypress
I feel like oo is more complicated but more flexibility and fp is less complicat...
Flexibility comes with simplicity
forest pecan
yea
lunar cypress
all those patterns show that oop is less flexible and so you need more workarounds and meta-concepts to model your software
forest pecan
ig yeah thats true
lunar cypress
But it's true that it's not easy to understand an entire program in terms of functions and values
obtuse gale
Flexibility comes with simplicity
Too much flexibility can be overwhelming if you don't know how to take it though
lunar cypress
But I wouldn't say one is harder than the other in that regard, just depends on what you know
static zealot
works fine for me 🤔
restarting fixed it. turns out it had to do a small language update or something since I switched my keyboard to US instead of UK.
half harness
hmm
static zealot
UK keyboard?
yes my laptop has a UK Querty keyboard but I switched tu US-International Querty
forest pecan
why lmao
static zealot
and yes Efe there is UK keyboard and US keyboard
well yeah layout
but still
its keyboard
xD
half harness
azerty tho
what
stuck harbor
nope I'm in the UK
half harness
nope
static zealot
idk I'm not really used to anything other than QUERTY
half harness
i've only heard of qwerty and qwertz from efe
onyx loom
azerty is more central European standard iirc
obtuse gale
half harness
🤮
stuck harbor
I've always used qwerty
half harness
wheres the wasd
obtuse gale
zqsd
static zealot
there's
stuck harbor
and I will always use querty
static zealot
ZQSD
onyx loom
zqsd is wasd
static zealot
xD
static zealot
yes
half harness
instead of wasd
onyx loom
probably
obtuse gale
LMAO
half harness
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
half harness
yes
half harness
yes 😂
stuck harbor
blitz u mean qwerty?
stuck harbor
k
half harness
uh
static zealot
I use U instead of W for some reason (when I type not on my keyboard)
half harness
``1234567890-=qwertyuiop[]\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,./~!@#$%^&*()_+QWERTYUIOP{}|ASDFGHJKL:"ZXCVBNM<>?` <- better
forest pecan
here is my keyboard
half harness
nice keyboard u have
forest pecan
``1234567890-=qwertyuiop[]\ASDFGHJKL;'ZXCVBNM,./`
half harness
thats same as mine i think
half harness
لوحة المفاتيح العربية, lawḥat al-mafātīḥ al-`Arabīyyah
, lawhat al-mafatih al-`Arabiyyahuiasjkduhasukdhuasid
old wyvern
😌
stuck harbor
is using haxe for paperspigot a bad idea?
old wyvern
Haxe?
stuck harbor
yes, haxe
forest pecan
what is that
stuck harbor
a language
obtuse gale
idk what that is but I'll go with no
prisma wave
<@!266973575225933824> very accurate OOP to Functional comparison
ah yeah ive seen that video
very nice
old wyvern
The right column 😂
stuck harbor
haxe thonks pls
ocean quartz
Got approved again :pog:
half harness
lol
stuck harbor
Got approved again :pog:
poggers
jovial warren
Got approved again :pog:
wait what did you get approved for?
half harness
license
obtuse gale
a good load of heroin
jovial warren
oh right
nice
trying to think whether getting a profiler for testing Krypton is a good idea or not
if I did get one, I would probably have to obtain it from some... questionable sources
might give both JProfiler and YourKit a try, since those are the only ones I know of
ruby dirge
Hey,
I wanted to know your opinion about what is better.
So I was thinking of buying a Udemy plugin development course (https://www.udemy.com/course/develop-minecraft-plugins-java-programming/) but then I saw a youtube channel named "Koby Simpson" and I wanted to know about your opinion about where should I learn minecraft coding from?
jovial warren
the only Udemy course I can recommend is the one I learnt from
used to be £9.99, around £14.99 now
it's a Java course, but it's got just about everything you could ever need to know about Java itself in it
and the instructor has over 30 years of experience working with the language
ruby dirge
Ye but what about the Spigot API?
jovial warren
you can learn that later
the only thing I've ever learnt from Spigot-specific courses is that they generally suck
because they don't teach you what you need to learn to be able to program on your own
oh also, the course you linked teaches with Eclipse
ruby dirge
I learn Java in school so I'm not sure if java udemy course is necessary
jovial warren
you're better reading official documentation to learn the Bukkit API
but be ready for non stop BS
ruby dirge
wdym
jovial warren
the Bukkit API is one big mess that's just been built on top of non stop for the past like 10 years
ruby dirge
https://learnprogramming.academy/
This link is not loading for me
jovial warren
https://www.udemy.com/course/java-the-complete-java-developer-course/ this is the link on Udemy
jovial warren
but I think the learn programming academy site provides you with a link to get it cheaper than that
that has over 80 hours worth of content
sweet cipher
Thats what I use
jovial warren
it's a really good course isn't it
sweet cipher
550k people have used it
prisma wave
Hey,
I wanted to know your opinion about what is better.
So I was thinking of bu...
kody isnt awful
one of the better spigot tutorials ive seen
jovial warren
oh is it one of the rare Spigot courses that's actually good?
prisma wave
i cant say good
but i watched a few episodes and didnt have any complaints
he at least tries to teach java basics first
sweet cipher
Hey,
I wanted to know your opinion about what is better.
So I was thinking of bu...
#development message
Might want to read these messages
ruby dirge
kk, i'll check that in a bit
ocean quartz
No point in paying for a Spigot course
sweet cipher
If you know java you could look at these https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/spigot-plugin-development/
ocean quartz
First learn Java, once you get a good grasp of it, searching around on google for spigot related stuff, or asking in #development, and you'll learn spigot's api quite well
But first, Java
ruby dirge
Ok, thx
Can you recommend me any good youtube courses about java or do I need to buy the udemy one?
old wyvern
Id recommend going off of course websites rather than youtube courses, maybe you could just audit coursera courses tho
Havent used udemy yet
but pluralsight and coursera are great
ocean quartz
Tbh just found this video and it doesn't look terrible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIrMbAQSU34
half harness
Can you recommend me any good youtube courses about java or do I need to buy the...
there are also courses such as jetbrains acadamy and sololearn
🤷
frigid badge
hello mr docker expert <@!235142971882733569>
yugi and i are looking into remak...
I will have to reply to this at a later time
sweet cipher
This also has some things
https://www.w3schools.com/java/default.asp
prisma wave
I will have to reply to this at a later time
ok thanks for letting me know
no rush, this is still in the ideas phase atm
jovial warren
gonna ask here too
so, for Krypton, I was thinking, instead of having all the materials in one enum, I thought it might be better if I split up the blocks and items into two different enums
grave parcel
@heady birch how can I get kiteboard spigot doesnt let me buy
static zealot
wdym? I can buy it
static zealot
the link doesn't seem to work
static zealot
grave parcel
discord embeds are slow
static zealot
oh weird. we'll I guess you have to wait a while for Niall to come online.
maybe his paypal is blocked or something
grave parcel
mhm
oak raft
btw <@!265224638836113418> did u get the pi yet 👀
Not quite, soon I promise
half harness
oh
half harness
forgot that shipping doesn't take less than a day 🤦
oak raft
haha
half harness
does the pi website give an eta?
obtuse gale
OH BOY
prisma wave
ooooooooooo
hot hull
👀
stuck harbor
o shit
frail glade
🙂
obtuse gale
LMAOO
prisma wave
point-free code is so cool
heady birch
What do you mean by point free?
No dots
So basically you like php 🙂 $var->method()
heady birch
isset($_POST['emoji'])
jovial warren
prisma wave
a function that doesnt define its arguments and instead just composes other funtions
heady birch
Explain
stuck harbor
i like php's syntax
prisma wave
like this beauty for example
stuck harbor
but i prefer lisp
heady birch
What How
jovial warren
i forgot what >> does
composition
prisma wave
i couldve done ```fs
let loadConfig path = File.ReadAllText path |> Json.Deserialize<Config>
Is File an instance?
prisma wave
or even ```fs
let loadConfig path =
let content = File.ReadAllText path
Json.Deserialize<Config> content
crazy right!!
jovial warren
I imagine that reads all the available text in a file and then pipes it into json deserialisation to deserialise it
stuck harbor
i ❤️ functions
prisma wave
pretty much
prisma wave
Is File an instance?
static method i think
stuck harbor
f# i think bardy
heady birch
static method i think
But you didnt provide any arguments? how does it know what file
jovial warren
and really nice to use
prisma wave
let me try and explain
so File.ReadAllText is a function of type string -> string, right?
i.e, it takes a string, an then returns a string
heady birch
Yes
stuck harbor
always circlejerk with a 😉
prisma wave
so because File.ReadAllText returns something that can be passed into Json.deserialize we can compose them together with the >> operator
which makes a string -> Config function
or string -> T
heady birch
What language is this
prisma wave
f#
jovial warren
F#
stuck harbor
f#
prisma wave
lol
jovial warren
lol
heady birch
Ha cool
prisma wave
so loadConfig is a function of type string -> Config
jovial warren
bardy y u capitalise
because that's the correct way to do it -_-
lunar cypress
just to make sure, what language is it?
jovial warren
F#
stuck harbor
f#
prisma wave
ocaml I think
stuck harbor
common lisp
jovial warren
ocaml I think
🤣
stuck harbor
afaik
jovial warren
Haskell
stuck harbor
jaskell
jovial warren
Jython
heady birch
Quercus
stuck harbor
yes!
lunar cypress
f# is definitely inspired by ml style syntax here an there
stuck harbor
quercus
jovial warren
Brainfuck
stuck harbor
fuck yes quercus
prisma wave
f# is definitely inspired by ml style syntax here an there
yeah from what I gather it's basically MS Ocaml
what C# is to java
stuck harbor
i bet bm likes quercus
jovial warren
does it have the same fucked up conventions?
prisma wave
does it have the same fucked up conventions?
no
lunar cypress
yes
heady birch
QUERCUS:
<?php
import java.util.Date;
$a = new Date(123);
echo $a->getTime(); # calls getTime()
echo $a->setTime(456); # calls setTime(456)
echo $a->time; # calls getTime()
$a->time = 456; # calls setTime(456)
?>
except for interop
lunar cypress
wait
prisma wave
i bet bm likes quercus
rot
stuck harbor
QUERCUS:
```php
<?php
import java.util.Date;
$a = new Date(123);
echo $...
:))))
lunar cypress
but the functions you showed were in upper camel case
jovial warren
QUERCUS:
```php
<?php
import java.util.Date;
$a = new Date(123);
echo $...
please never ever mention that again
no PHP
no
stuck harbor
i will make plugins in quercus
prisma wave
ReadAllText is a c# function
stuck harbor
bet
jovial warren
prisma wave
with interop
heady birch
https://www.caucho.com/resin-3.1/doc/quercus.xtp
You havent seen o:xml and SuperX++ yet 😄
stuck harbor
what IDE is that?
prisma wave
Rider
stuck harbor
better not be vi
jovial warren
oh btw, I'm working on blocks rn 🥲
stuck harbor
uwu rider
stuck harbor
oh btw, I'm working on blocks rn 🥲
code::blocks, does it have dark theme?
jovial warren
sexy rider
archives += this
jovial warren
copy pasta lol
stuck harbor
object oriented xml?
jovial warren
also let's not
stuck harbor
thte hek
jovial warren
XML
heady birch
What is impedance mismatch
prisma wave
i cant get over how terrible beautiful it is
heady birch
prisma wave
archives += this
mutability 🥶
stuck harbor
PHP is the most loved language according to the PHP community
prisma wave
no
jovial warren
mutability 🥶
fuck you as well mother fucker
prisma wave
PHP community loves Ruby the most
stuck harbor
hehe
jovial warren
lol
stuck harbor
ruby
prisma wave
fuck you as well mother fucker
we'll see who's laughing when your codebase becomes a spaghetti mess
prisma wave
i will be far up the ivory tower sipping on monads
stuck harbor
PHP is always klean
jovial warren
who do you think I am
stuck harbor
where is lisp on the ivory tower?
prisma wave
pretty high
stuck harbor
its in the stratosphere
stuck harbor
mmm
prisma wave
horrific
prisma wave
i believe many declarative languages can do the same thing in simply 2 lines
jovial warren
just admire the comment at the top lol
I just gave up and converted BungeeCord's event bus to Kotlin
stuck harbor
i should actually use the spigot forums for once and make a post about how to use quercus
jovial warren
and I've left it there ever since
heady birch
try something different rather than bogstandard event bus:
while (true) {
if (PlayerJoinEvent.yes) {
PlayerJoinEvent.latest.cancel()
}
}
jovial warren
PlayerJoinEvent.yes
prisma wave
lmfao
jovial warren
what