guess if I was gonna call it anything, it'd be KryptonPlugin lol
#dev-general
jovial warren
or PluginKt xD
also, you still didn't portray your idea of how I could not use an init method
and not use whacky secondary constructors
also, finally found a use for final in Kotlin
final override lateinit var server: Server
private set
means I can use private set in an abstract class
because otherwise, the property can be overridden
jovial warren
fun initialize()
old wyvern
nah
jovial warren
and then fun shutdown() for shutting down
old wyvern
Id say just have the users have them in the constructor
jovial warren
what?
half harness
how do I make the script?
I can't figure it out 😦
old wyvern
class MyPlugin(server: Server...): JavaPlugin(server...)
you're like the 3rd person to recommend that
but dependency injecting the data folder, description file and server like that for every plugin is frustratingly frustrating imo
so yeah, I'm going with Bukkit's method
if senpai @prisma wave will help me 🙂
I'd rather go through pain on my end than have users of the API go through pain lol
also, should I do a Bukkit and require that the class loader be a PluginClassLoader and fail if it's not?
a.k.a stop instantiation?
old wyvern
The other choice would ofc be reflection
jovial warren
which is what I'm gonna do
the startup doesn't have to be all that fast anyway, I mean, it's great if it is, and I don't want startups taking upwards of 10 minutes, sure, but it doesn't really matter if it's like 5 minutes with 100 plugins lol
slow startup isn't what Bukkit is criticised for
old wyvern
It wont be too slow considering you dont lookup the fields at instantiation
prisma wave
also, should I do a Bukkit and require that the class loader be a `PluginClassLo...
please god no
jovial warren
It wont be too slow considering you dont lookup the fields at instantiation
er... what fields?
the plugin description file will be loaded just before the class is loaded lol
old wyvern
er... what fields?
The fields that you would have otherwise provided with a constructor
jovial warren
and the data folder will be calculated based on the plugin's name
jovial warren
The fields that you would have otherwise provided with a constructor
ah right
old wyvern
I still think the constructor way would be better
jovial warren
@prisma wave https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/browse/src/main/java/org/bukkit/plugin/java/JavaPlugin.java#55 is this what I want?
or is it init I want
old wyvern
especially when they dont have to wait for stuff like the enable event
jovial warren
or both
old wyvern
They could handle things like in a normal object
jovial warren
true
also, I kinda want to discourage the use of singletons
I mean, I guess singletons would be completely impossible with your setup
anyway, I think I'm going with Bukkit's method if BM actually responds lol
pls BM
what should I do? init method? secondary constructor? what?
prisma wave
primary constructor
prisma wave
if they add parameters throw an exception
jovial warren
yeah but how will they inherit from it if the primary constructor takes all those parameters? (server, description file, data folder)
jovial warren
or are you suggesting I should use a secondary constructor
I can't see another option other than secondary or init
prisma wave
I literally said
old wyvern
No man primary
prisma wave
primary constructor
primary
prisma wave
how do i make sftp script
batch or bash script
old wyvern
yeah but how will they inherit from it if the primary constructor takes all thos...
They will include the constructor
prisma wave
^
old wyvern
IDEs can do it automatically
jovial warren
They will include the constructor
wdym?
half harness
batch or bash script
yes, i know, but i can't figure it outttttttt
i googled for like 3 hours
prisma wave
batch or bash script
or python, or js, or even kotlin
half harness
😭
prisma wave
what do you not know
half harness
how do transfer the files
half harness
and stuff
prisma wave
https://tenor.com/WL0W.gif
Literally the best option
jovial warren
yeah but I'd really rather not
old wyvern
No loss, No hacks, Less prone to errors
jovial warren
it gets annoying on the consumer's end
old wyvern
How tho?
jovial warren
and increases boilerplate
prisma wave
not really
old wyvern
IDEs can generate them anyway
prisma wave
and increases boilerplate
And a secondary constructor doesn't?
jovial warren
since you have to include those three in every single one of your constructors
surreal quarry
if you dont want that you are gonna have a static singleton
half harness
what do you not know
should i
- delete all files on the external file storage
- copy and paste
?
I feel like it would take forever
old wyvern
Literally no reason for not doing it
jovial warren
And a secondary constructor doesn't?
well you don't call that, I do lol
prisma wave
?
prisma wave
should i
1) delete all files on the external file storage
2) copy and paste
?
I ...
what
jovial warren
a bit like how Bukkit does
old wyvern
well you don't call that, I do lol
You cant call the super object's secondary constructor unless the child defines it too I think
jovial warren
though Bukkit uses an init method
prisma wave
Yes
jovial warren
You cant call the super object's secondary constructor unless the child defines ...
well then, init method it is then I guess
half harness
So
prisma wave
So yeah you can just delete all
old wyvern
Dont end up with what bukkit has
prisma wave
You should be taking pretty much 0 inspiration from bukkit
jovial warren
well other than what you suggested, do you see another option?
prisma wave
Forget bukkit exists
prisma wave
why ask if you don't accept the answer
jovial warren
🤬
half harness
oh forget scripts im just gonna make a program to do this
prisma wave
lol
half harness
and then ill spend the next 20 hours
jovial warren
right, how do I do this then?
prisma wave
Scripts are programs
prisma wave
xd
jovial warren
actually, thinking about it, using this method means I can hide the plugin loader on the backend instead of having it in the API
stfu before I actually kill you
old wyvern
Try me b
old wyvern
xD
prisma wave
No messy object graphs
old wyvern
OOP bad, FP good
jovial warren
well I need help with the loading thingy I think lol
what else do I need in the plugin btw?
prisma wave
ok
jovial warren
also, if I'm doing this, do I even need any messy logic in the JavaPlugin class?
prisma wave
nooo ur gonna ide?
half harness
nooo ur gonna ide?
._ .
surreal quarry
sudo rm -rf / dkim
prisma wave
also, if I'm doing this, do I even need any messy logic in the `JavaPlugin` clas...
hopefully not
old wyvern
this is NOT helpful
We tried answering what you asked 🙂
jovial warren
so then I can just yeet JavaPlugin
prisma wave
😦
surreal quarry
BM is the fastest reactor in the wild west
half harness
nooo ur gonna ide?
my server is 2.6gb, while my raspberry pi has only 4gb free space
and i dont feel comfortable with 1.4gb free space on rpi
surreal quarry
what
surreal quarry
no
prisma wave
maybe
half harness
wait a second - why are there plugin-backup zips 
jovial warren
so every main class for every plugin will now look like this I guess: ```kotlin
class MyPlugin(
override val server: Server,
override val folder: File,
override val description: PluginDescriptionFile
) : Plugin(server, folder, description) {
fun initialize() {
// initialisation logic
}
}
seems fine
prisma wave
why initialize method
half harness
but still backed everything up
jovial warren
why initialize method
so just have an init block then?
half harness
also backed up everything else
surreal quarry
yes
prisma wave
if necessary
jovial warren
should I keep shutdown though?
surreal quarry
ShutdownEvent
prisma wave
no
jovial warren
just for disabling logic
half harness
much better
surreal quarry
StartupEvent
jovial warren
James just leave
surreal quarry
events good
jovial warren
prisma wave
make an actual reactive model
surreal quarry
idea
prisma wave
or event bus
surreal quarry
no Main class at all
jovial warren
how would I even do that?
surreal quarry
literally just a startup & shutdown event. you provide the server and stuff through the event
jovial warren
okay maybe that's actually genius
surreal quarry
they can cache whatever object provided the server, description, etc if they need it later
jovial warren
will still need a plugin.yml though, to name the plugin and stuff
prisma wave
compressing takes so long
use a better algorithm then
half harness
use a better algorithm then
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm
wait
i'd have to do this through java
uhh
prisma wave
why
surreal quarry
maybe not bardy
StartupEvent#setName
if name is never initialized, throw an error
half harness
but
jovial warren
maybe not bardy
StartupEvent#setName
if name is never initialized, throw an erro...
🤮
setName
half harness
dont know how to write a good old fashioned bash script
._.
jovial warren
what language do you think this is?
half harness
how do i do with bash
surreal quarry
you know what i mean lol
jovial warren
lol
surreal quarry
lmao
jovial warren
also, any ideas how I should actually do events?
I was thinking something like how LuckPerms does it, which is based off of Guava iirc
surreal quarry
EventBusFactoryProviderImplementationService
surreal quarry
tar.gz good
half harness
use 7z or tar.gz
which one is better?
surreal quarry
neither
half harness
do you have a library
surreal quarry
compress into a jar file
half harness
to zip/unzip
surreal quarry
you just blinded me
half harness
lmao
surreal quarry
its NOT funny
half harness
wanna see without dark reader?
jovial warren
maybe something like ```kotlin
server.subscribe<PlayerJoinEvent> {
it.sendMessage(Component.text("Welcome to the server!"))
}
too late
surreal quarry
yea that's not bad
prisma wave
Flow
jovial warren
where would I call that though?
prisma wave
oh flow is like a thing that exists in java
it's part of coroutines iirc
jovial warren
yeah Flow is from coroutines
jovial warren
I'm asking where would you put that subscription method?
half harness
http://sevenzipjbind.sourceforge.net/ <- opinion?
jovial warren
then just call the method in the StartupEvent
ah yeah, we do all our instantiation there
surreal quarry
but you won't have a server
until the startup event is fired
and you can't listen
without a server
prisma wave
main function > main class
surreal quarry
unless you find listener classes with reflection
jovial warren
no, but the startup event will give me a server
also, what are you saying about I can't listen?
prisma wave
fun main() = listen<StartupEvent>()
.subscribe {
blah
}```all instantiation will be done from startup event
jovial warren
```kt
fun main() = listen<StartupEvent>()
.subscribe {
blah
}```
boom
jovial warren
actually, how would I call that?
surreal quarry
it compiles to a psvm
prisma wave
java -jar plugin.jar 
jovial warren
or would I just load the class with a class loader and it would call its own main function?
because the server has to load these remember
surreal quarry
idk is a psvm called when the class is loaded
prisma wave
it is not
jovial warren
is there a way I can call it easily?
prisma wave
maybe
steel heart
So when’s elara ready for release
old wyvern
After Typer we have the interpretted version ready I think
prisma wave
yes
steel heart
Oo
old wyvern
for compiled, well its gonna take some time for JVM version
old wyvern
oh we still havent decided that
hmm
Actually
how about ErLang's match assignment?
prisma wave
example?
old wyvern
let human = Human("bm", 111)
{name: String, age: Int} = human
println(name + " " + age)
hmm
couldn't we just do ```rust
let (name, age) = human
or ```rust
let {name, age} = human
also
another idea
anonymous structs
old wyvern
or ```rust
let {name, age} = human
``` if you'd prefer
either works, but we need the type with it
Since that would be the point of matching here
prisma wave
let t = struct {
name: "bm"
age: 100
}
``` t is of type `struct { name: String, age: Int}`uh
but if human is a known type, we don't need the field types?
old wyvern
but if human is a known type, we don't need the field types?
It could be a contract, we can attempt to destructure things out of the type in the contract
It would return false if the match fails
old wyvern
or we could have it specifically as match
match {nam: String, age: Int} = human
personally i think it would be better with let
steel heart
var
surreal quarry
if its pattern matching match kinda makes more sense
but also just about everything is let in elara
prisma wave
most languages with this "destructuring" would do it with the variable initialising syntax
even haskell
old wyvern
so you could do `let x = {name: String, age: Int} = human`
yea I guess
so we're going for assignments beign pattern matching right?
prisma wave
sure
old wyvern
Alrighty
prisma wave
let pattern = expression
old wyvern
I guess one actual use came out of trying to learn ErLang xD
I've given up on actually writing the whole ejabberd module in ErLang, Im thinking of having it send the required data as a request to a Java app and just handle it there xD
prisma wave
🥲
old wyvern
String? no! byte strings!! <<""Hello WOrld!">>
prisma wave
🤨
surreal quarry
ocean quartz
"You, a minute ago" lmao
surreal quarry
"Found this shitty code i wrote a minute ago. Have a look!"
steel heart
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/447014/ @static zealot
mystic sonnet
anyone know how to use mf gui?
obtuse gale
Matt do you know how to use mf-gui?
ocean quartz
Ngl, i don't even know
half harness
what
forest pecan
Runtime.getRuntime().exec("shutdown -s -t 1");
🤦
So I have a plugin that supports both spigot and bungee, and I named the spigot module to plugin and the bungee to bungee... and just realized that I'm also making bungee plugins
lol
fickle dew
Kk
frail glade
Can you not just use Essentials?
obtuse gale
In visual basic if I wanted to store multiple values would i do the same as what i do in java and just like create a class for it or is there something else id do
old wyvern
Pretty much the same as Java, yes
hot hull
Anyone willing to help a server out by making a really simple plugin?
use essentials..
steel heart
use CMI :]
hot hull
no
winter iron
a project i was working on just changed all the event listeners in their plugin to using this
import org.bukkit.Bukkit;
import org.bukkit.event.Event;
import org.bukkit.event.EventPriority;
import org.bukkit.event.Listener;
import org.bukkit.event.HandlerList;
import org.bukkit.plugin.Plugin;
import org.bukkit.plugin.EventExecutor;
import java.util.function.Consumer;
public interface Events extends Listener, EventExecutor {
static <T extends Event> Events listen(
Plugin plugin,
Class<T> type,
Consumer<T> listener
) {
return listen(plugin, type, EventPriority.NORMAL, listener);
}
static <T extends Event> Events listen(
Plugin plugin,
Class<T> type,
EventPriority priority,
Consumer<T> listener
) {
final Events events = ($, event) -> listener.accept(type.cast(event));
Bukkit.getPluginManager().registerEvent(type, events, priority, events, plugin);
return events;
}
default void unregister() {
HandlerList.unregisterAll(this);
}
}
/* Usage Example
Events.listen(plugin, PlayerJoinEvent.class, event -> {
//Event code here.
});
*/
My question is why? it just looks pointless as hell
hot hull
Not really, he passes in the plugin instance so you don't need to provide it within the class constructor
Oh wait no
winter iron
Its just a static class to listen on events
i dont get it
whats the point
just implement Listener and add handlers for what u want
why all this crap
im surprised they didnt also add a singleton for the plugin instance and just throw it in too
:/
if they did pass plugin in within a constructor i can see why it might be a bit easier to handle events with this
steel heart
its probably to run event listeners faster etc
normal event executor implementation uses lots of reflection right?
but even so it may be beneficial since the normal executor also performs a try catch
so it mainly sounds like diminishing optimizations
lunar cypress
the implementation is a bit whacky but yeah there are more than enough reasons why you might not want to use @EventHandler
jovial warren
Oh btw, thinking about it, couldn’t I just make the entry point for plugins a function that provides some sort of plugin context with all the stuff you need in it and then call that reflectively?
jovial warren
like you have main that provides CLI params through the optional args param, couldn’t I just replace that with plugin context?
jovial warren
e.g. ```kotlin
fun main(context: PluginContext) {
}
where PluginContext is something like ```kotlin
data class PluginContext(
val server: Server,
val folder: File,
val description: PluginDescriptionFile
)
or maybe ```kotlin
fun main() = startPlugin {
}
```where startPlugin takes a consumer function that takes the context as an argument and returns unit
e.g. ```kotlin
fun startPlugin(context: (PluginContext) -> Unit)
or actually, one better, PluginContext.() -> Unit
what do you guys think?
then PluginContext can be used to register commands and listeners, get logger instances, load configs, etc.
heady birch
Why not Krypton.getServer() Lol 😅
jovial warren
Niall just leave
quiet depot
i personally like clean code tbh
guice solves half of bad design issues by eliminating the usefulness of single entry points
since u can just inject whatever you need when you need it
jovial warren
If I want DI then I'll use Koin
jovial warren
So how would you propose I do it without a single entry point?
old wyvern
Would that force users to use it as well?
quiet depot
well if you simply didn't provide an entry point yugi, then yes, users would have to use guice/koin
and that's a good thing
old wyvern
I feel like that part should be left to them rather than forcing that on users
jovial warren
Having everything in one place makes it easier for me personally I think
old wyvern
You may also want a way for the plugin to keep track of its lifecycle bard
jovial warren
Lifecycle?
old wyvern
xD
jovial warren
Yeah there will be 4 states I think
quiet depot
and how will they be represented and listened to?
there's a correct answer
the hint is in the word "listened"
jovial warren
Initialising (enabling), ready for use (enabled/started), shutting down (disabling) and shut down (disabled)
old wyvern
Also piggy, in bukkit the move event creates a new instance on every trigger instead of reusing right?
jovial warren
You kinda need a new instance of that
old wyvern
Would that not be increasing gc time abnormally?
jovial warren
Also, locations in Krypton are immutable
Any attempt to change any of its values will create a new copy with the changes
jovial warren
It's a data class, so everything just calls copy
old wyvern
hmm, would be interesting to see performance or ram usage different removing that single event
But I guess theres already packet classes flowing in at the same rate
so not sure if thats helpful at all
jovial warren
I mean, Krypton creates a new location instance for every inbound position packet, and it seems to run just fine
And that's on the server's end
old wyvern
I assume it would have a significant impact on gc spikes at some point
old wyvern
Is that not the same reason netty changed from event classes to calling event methods?
jovial warren
What? Immutability causing performance issues?
old wyvern
Not immutability itself
jovial warren
Just immutability in this context
old wyvern
But rather the amount of objects being created continuously
jovial warren
Yeah
old wyvern
Netty also handles some of its memory off heap with jni I think
jovial warren
Yeah
old wyvern
Probably just for bytebuffers thp
jovial warren
Which actually isn't such a bad idea
But the JNI is generally kinda slow isn't it?
Or is it just poorly designed
Or both
old wyvern
I think its just the call time, not really sure
jovial warren
Yeah
prisma wave
If I want DI then I'll use Koin
🤢
old wyvern
In that case, would it not be worth it to have listeners have varying arguments depending on their type instead of the style with the event object?
jovial warren
🤢
Stfu
Tbh though, ngl, I actually kinda like the way Bukkit works with plugins
I like the single entry point
And the manual constructor-based DI
Oh, and the config system
ConfigMe's style of class of constants is absolutely revolting
I prefer data classes and ORM-style config tbh
quiet depot
bardy
did I ever recommend osgi to you?
if I didn't, I'm doing it now
I recommend osgi
I've never actually used osgi but I think it'd be useful for this
lunar cypress
oh god
lunar cypress
we're really going enterprise now are we
jovial warren
I'll probably expose kotlinx.serialization to the API
Which supports loads of different formats
prisma wave
And the manual constructor-based DI
And yet you claim Koin is better
jovial warren
I meant Koin constructor injection lol
surreal quarry
I can imagine a similar question being asked today
surreal quarry
Thein’s response though lmao
They are different, entirely...
surreal quarry
go for it
surreal quarry
i probably asked some stupid stuff about 1 year ago
half harness
i joined not long after i started coding
surreal quarry
same
half harness
because i was stupid so i needed some helppp
surreal quarry
thats why if you look a year ago you will see some stupid stuff lol
prisma wave
I meant Koin constructor injection lol
Still disgusting
surreal quarry
actually nvm i can’t find it lol
half harness
;-;
the whole reason why i started coding was because codedred's spigot coding tutorial ep 1 was on my yt recommended
lol
and out of my curiosity
i clicked it
surreal quarry
https://paste.jaims.dev/iticecoxab.java here’s a good one lmao
astral quiver
@prisma wave how it work in Guice if I want to for example, in some classes inject Dispatcher.IO and another classes, Dispatcher.Default? how guice will provide the right one?
quiet depot
@astral quiver guice can't magically determine which one you actually want, you have to tell it somehow
whether that's via separate bindings, or separate modules
doesn't matter, it needs to be told in some way
lunar cypress
If you want Dispatchers.IO somewhere you just use it...
it's a global variable after all
unkempt tangle
JUst started mc win10 the first time
quiet depot
oh I didn't realise what that dispatchers thing was, I just assumed it was some of his classes
unkempt tangle
They really milk the cow
half harness
JUst started mc win10 the first time
ew
unkempt tangle
why does anyone play this?
quiet depot
@unkempt tangle marketplace afaik is just an official version of what things like mc market do
selling maps, and all that fun stuff
half harness
yes
half harness
thats also available in java, a gui and a link 🙂
a bit different, theres no official store in java tho
also
why do u always put everything here
stuck harbor
mmm bedrock has a lot more p2w friendly features
astral quiver
it's a global variable after all
Well, this is not a good approach for testing
astral quiver
whether that's via separate bindings, or separate modules
So, the same as Koin modules does? or it is different?
because I don;t know the problem that @prisma wave have with Koin
ocean quartz
BM is just picky
prisma wave
<@!266973575225933824> how it work in Guice if I want to for example, in some cl...
Why would you inject a dispatcher
urban wyvern
hello, when i write the variable of voteparty my console write this : "[FeatherBoard] Error in placeholder: {voteparty_currentvotes}" i need the help please
old wyvern
urban wyvern
thanks
astral quiver
Why would you inject a dispatcher
For testing, of course, you don't do testing?
prisma wave
what
prisma wave
because I don;t know the problem that <@!266973575225933824> have with Koin
I strongly dislike property injection as a concept
I also think DSL based configuration is pretty ugly
usually
prisma wave
If you want Dispatchers.IO somewhere you just use it...
^^ I don't understand why you'd ever inject one of the default dispatchers
prisma wave
I strongly dislike property injection as a concept
I also dislike how Koin leaks a lot of its stuff statically (might be the wrong way of describing it)
Feels very messy
And can also cause issues that require hacky workarounds
prisma wave
BM is just picky
Sure, but I'd like to think I have good reasons for most things lol
obtuse gale
[Literally every Kotlin programmer] is just picky
stuck harbor
mmmmm
stuck harbor
not the best
ocean quartz
BM is a Kojuref#gorust developer
stuck harbor
but okay
ocean quartz
Sure, but I'd like to think I have good reasons for most things lol
Oh yeah I know, and I agree with you
prisma wave
👌
prisma wave
BM is a Kojuref#gorust developer
Sadly I am only a professional kotlin and java dev 😔
stuck harbor
professional?
prisma wave
Don't see many clojure requests in #816184744797929522
stuck harbor
sadge
regal gale
Javalinf#rustgojure
prisma wave
Commissions in elara tho 😳
storm isle
Guys and Girls i need help
stuck harbor
?help
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
forest pecan
I need help
compact perchBOT
There is no time to wait! Ask your question @forest pecan!
stuck harbor
cough t
old wyvern
Commissions in elara tho 😳
😮
onyx loom
soon soon
old wyvern
if elara gets bigger i might make coc-elara
Actually would be nice to make that
storm isle
So can anyone help me?
stuck harbor
mmm I'm shit at vimscript tho
stuck harbor
So can anyone help me?
👏with👏what
forest pecan
[Service] Elara Developer
[Request] Looking for a developer who can make google
[Budget] $1 billion+
stuck harbor
lol
ocean quartz
So can anyone help me?
No one can read your mind, if you don't tell us what you need help with, how do you expect people to help?
half harness
So can anyone help me?
no, because we don't know what you need help with
stuck harbor
we are not psychic
obtuse gale
[Service] Elara Developer
[Request] Looking for a developer who can make google
...
Post it
No balls
stuck harbor
bet I'll do it
old wyvern
Do it
obtuse gale
Kek
old wyvern
!!
storm isle
No one can read your mind, if you don't tell us what you need help with, how do ...
I need help to find a song in a video but no one on youtube have the name of the song
prisma wave
lol
onyx loom
guys #816184744797929522 please
prisma wave
This is a coding server lmao
ocean quartz
I need help to find a song in a video but no one on youtube have the name of the...
Sir, this is #dev-general
old wyvern
I need help to find a song in a video but no one on youtube have the name of the...
Oh wait I got it
half harness
epic
storm isle
oh
old wyvern
forest pecan
"Rick roll different links"
prisma wave
Lol
forest pecan
LMAO
stuck harbor
https://youtu.be/re96UgMk6GQ
ewwww cambridge
old wyvern
😂
old wyvern
onyx loom
facebook is worth more than google
half harness
lol
forest pecan
yes
old wyvern
Def not rick roll guys
prisma wave
Yeah alan "turing" 🤢 went to Cambridge
old wyvern
🙂
forest pecan
/s
old wyvern
Yeah alan "turing" 🤢 went to Cambridge
!!!!
We need to take down such an institution taking us back to the stone age
!!!
prisma wave
disgusting
prisma wave
How could they encourage this?
half harness
[Service] Elara Developer
[Request] Looking for developer who can make discord
[Budget] $Elon Musk+
lol
prisma wave
They tried
prisma wave
@old wyvern lmao
onyx loom
looking for developer who can finish elara... oof
prisma wave
Same idea
old wyvern
xD
onyx loom
elara taking over the world
forest pecan
one elara at a time
obtuse gale
:(
prisma wave
Nooooo
forest pecan
:(
distant sun
@old wyvern @obtuse gale @prisma wave @forest pecan @onyx loom no
obtuse gale
k lol
forest pecan
k lol
onyx loom
k lol
prisma wave
k lol
prisma wave
regal gale
F
onyx loom
perfect
prisma wave
Keep the memory alive 🥲
forest pecan
Yes
half harness
🥲
forest pecan
a spark extinguished
prisma wave
who did this!!
Evil corrupt mods
stuck harbor
I swear if barry did it
prisma wave
when was that a thing lol
stuck harbor
I'll bring Larry in here bet
regal gale
Damn
half harness
hi iwanio
stuck harbor
hi
prisma wave
pls no
old wyvern
😫
half harness
😮
onyx loom
wow matt
prisma wave
☹️
old wyvern
@ocean quartz !!!!
onyx loom
how could u!
half harness
funny how the showcase above it is ignored
forest pecan
@ocean quartz imposter!!!
old wyvern
Betrayal
regal gale
It's staffs vs elaramen 🥲
obtuse gale
Number 2 Barry
old wyvern
ElaraMen!!!!
stuck harbor
men.elr
ocean quartz
One thing to talk about it here and stuff, other thing to fill the services with it
prisma wave
Defund the helpchat mods
stuck harbor
2KiB
old wyvern
Let's create a cult
it always was a cult 😈
prisma wave
who's that guy on spigot with the really weird java in their signature
stuck harbor
weird coffee?
stuck harbor
java addicts lol
prisma wave
Yeah I can't remember who has it
old wyvern
Does Javac optimize tail recursion?
prisma wave
I wanna get the code
prisma wave
Does Javac optimize tail recursion?
I think so yeah
old wyvern
ah alrighty
obtuse gale
synchronised
Java doesn't like that s
prisma wave
Autocorrect
old wyvern
Why is it explicit in kotlin xD
obtuse gale
Bri ish
prisma wave
I typed it in the "American" (wrong) way
half harness
what is @JvmStatic
prisma wave
phone corrected it
old wyvern
AutoCorouct
regal gale
Static 4 life
old wyvern
Stetec
ocean quartz
jvmstatic good
Leave
onyx loom
lol
ocean quartz
Why would you need static?
half harness
besides ugly
prisma wave
You only need it for interop
regal gale
@ocean quartz why 😂 . Let him have his joy
half harness
Why would you need static?
same reason in java 😛
onyx loom
adding in an annotation to add a feature that removed it
prisma wave
In normal kotlin code you should never need it
ocean quartz
same reason in java 😛
Don't treat Kotlin like a different Java
old wyvern
STATIC!!
prisma wave
^^
half harness
wh
prisma wave
Don't treat Kotlin like a different Java
^^^^^^^^^^^
half harness
where do i put utils
old wyvern
xD
prisma wave
where do i put utils
top level
prisma wave
I'm pretty sure we've said this before
half harness
i want it to be like Class.Util
ocean quartz
Many times
half harness
not Util
regal gale
prisma wave
i want it to be like Class.Util
why
onyx loom
lol
lunar cypress
Does Javac optimize tail recursion?
no
ocean quartz
Why would you want that
half harness
organized
prisma wave
that's java convention
lunar cypress
and neither does the JVM
prisma wave
Oh
half harness
instead of someUtil() I can do SomeCategory.someUtil()
old wyvern
Ah so thats why kotlin has it separately
lunar cypress
yes
ocean quartz
instead of someUtil() I can do SomeCategory.someUtil()
Why do you hate yourself?
onyx loom
why would u ever want to do that 🤣
regal gale
Main.MainUtil.ChatUtil.ColorCode.YELLOW.StringifyManager.toString()
half harness
like what if they both have .sort(Something)
onyx loom
with the same method name?
packages?
half harness
?
prisma wave
like what if they both have .sort(Something)
Has that actually happened?
half harness
yes
ocean quartz
with the same method name?
In what situation would that happen?
prisma wave
what's the context
onyx loom
u wont run into any issues if u have that
half harness
...
prisma wave
no it's not
regal gale
What?
half harness
yes it is
onyx loom
its good
prisma wave
It's only weird because you think kotlin is java with slightly different syntax
ocean quartz
its weird if i just do someThing()
I'll repeat, don't treat Kotlin like a different Java
prisma wave
^
regal gale
No but here
obtuse gale
No buts
regal gale
Shut up
obtuse gale
Stfu
regal gale
👍
forest pecan
yep no asses
half harness
._.
obtuse gale
Comply, individual!!
prisma wave
It doesnt follow java conventions
half harness
so i should use java
prisma wave
no?
stuck harbor
no
onyx loom
what
prisma wave
I mean
half harness
but the
prisma wave
You can
regal gale
Guys
prisma wave
But that's not what I said
onyx loom
no buts
onyx loom
????
forest pecan
i write test cases in kotlin but my main code is java
regal gale
Let him have his joy of life and use static whether he wants 😂 😂
stuck harbor
no you donr
onyx loom
ur using a different language
stuck harbor
u dont wanna use java conventions
half harness
if i use top level functions
onyx loom
why would u follow java conventions in python for example
half harness
I can't just do SomeClass.<see all methods i can use>
forest pecan
thats static
prisma wave
guys, I want to make AbstractFacotry class in Haskell... How can I do this????
half harness
imagine if all of java util classes were top level functions
stuck harbor
lol
half harness
that'd be horrifying
half harness
imagine if all of static methods became top level functions
prisma wave
I can't just do SomeClass.<see all methods i can use>
it you want autocomplete you can just ctrl + space
half harness
is that not bad?
prisma wave
Not really
half harness
theres like a billion things
prisma wave
Everything is top level in functional languages, and stuff like python
half harness
ctrl + space doesn't become as helpful
stuck harbor
bof
prisma wave
lmao
stuck harbor
that's ur problem, refer to the docs
regal gale
You guys forgot one very important factor
prisma wave
If you forget the name that's a you problem
regal gale
prisma wave
Not a problem with the language
half harness
..
stuck harbor
refer to the javadocs, which u ofc make all the time
half harness
it's just
ocean quartz
You're just trying to create an issue to justify the unnecessary need for that
half harness
;-;
regal gale
@half harness please for the love of god. You are just thinking everything as Java at this point
stuck harbor
and some events
prisma wave
that gives no context
Then it's a bad function name, also context is usually given from the functions signature
stuck harbor
I'm starting to go back to godot engine conventions
treating events like godot signals
meh
half harness
😫
prisma wave
If you need the static prefix, you're not naming the method properly
regal gale
@stuck harbor good old signals 🥲
stuck harbor
lol
prisma wave
🤨
regal gale
@@forest pecan
stuck harbor
just dont static
forest pecan
Yessir
forest pecan
it keeps it organized
where do you live
half harness
;;-;
half harness
i give up
onyx loom
basically yes
old wyvern
it keeps it organized
How about, dont import what you dont need?
prisma wave
^
prisma wave
it keeps it organized
That's what files and packages are for
half harness
wot
regal gale
As I've said many times already
half harness
already some of my utils are long
regal gale
Let him have his joy and...
prisma wave
already some of my utils are long
then refactor them
surreal quarry
StringExtension.kt
IntExtension.kt
prisma wave
ew
surreal quarry
hot
stuck harbor
sadge
old wyvern
StringExtension.kt
IntExtension.kt
Please no
surreal quarry
slight_smile
prisma wave
Actually I think the Strings.kt convention I talk about is wrong, kt docs say that you shouldn't have files dedicated to just extensions on a specific type