(This is for a flat world)
#dev-general
hot hull
jovial warren
yeah you would provide it with that and it would give you something like this: ```
layers: {
{
height: 1,
block: "minecraft:bedrock"
},
{
height: 2,
block: "minecraft:dirt"
},
{
height: 1,
block: "minecraft:grass_block"
}
}
yeye
jovial warren
actually it's a bit less YAML-like than that
frigid badge
ay SHA1 has been deprecated in openssh now
stuck harbor
mm
errant geyser
Bardy you were right, Caddy v2 is actually easier than v1
jovial warren
right, I'm downgrading Netty to 4.1.59.Final (from 5.0.0.Alpha2) because 5 has been discontinued and we getting some whack lol
fun 🙂
I think the only change is that channelRead0 is messageReceived in 5
also, I swear like rule #1 in the Enterprise™️ handbook is never use unstable software in production lol
jovial warren
can't be having it use NIO on Mac and throw an NPE on Linux though lol
onyx loom
we all love npes 🙂
errant geyser
just ignore the errors, jeez
jovial warren
yes, because I can just ignore errors that literally make the program stop running and exit
half harness
can't be having it use NIO on Mac and throw an NPE on Linux though lol
try/catch 
ez
onyx loom
its user error if it crashes, trust me
errant geyser
^^
jovial warren
WARNING: An illegal reflective access operation has occurred
WARNING: Illegal reflective access by retrofit2.Platform (file:/C:/Users/callu/IdeaProjects/MineKraft/build/libs/Krypton-0.8.jar) to constructor java.lang.invoke.MethodHandles$Lookup(java.lang.Class,int)
WARNING: Please consider reporting this to the maintainers of retrofit2.Platform
WARNING: Use --illegal-access=warn to enable warnings of further illegal reflective access operations
WARNING: All illegal access operations will be denied in a future release
```ffs Retrofit lol
ocean quartz
also, I swear like rule #1 in the Enterprise™️ handbook is never use unstable so...
I thought rule #1 of enterprise was naming classes like "IFactoryFactoryProviderImpl"
half harness
WARNING: All illegal access operations will be denied in a future release
👀
errant geyser
```
WARNING: An illegal reflective access operation has occurred
WARNING: Illega...
I get those all the time when I use Spring, it's fiiiiiiiiine..... hopefully
half harness
what are illegal access operations?
obtuse gale
I get those all the time when I use Spring, it's fiiiiiiiiine..... hopefully
try it in Java 16 👍
obtuse gale
what are illegal access operations?
they are access operations that are illegal
hopefully that helps
errant geyser
I've been doing it in 11 Fefo
half harness
-_-
old wyvern
Wow, ErLang is too pure. Forget taking IO, this isnt even running 🙂
old wyvern
What happened frost?
stuck harbor
minecraft does everything in such an ugly way man
hot hull
Oh nothing just looking at these word settings, and honestly ew
prisma wave
> WARNING: All illegal access operations will be denied in a future release
👀
Too soon 🥲
old wyvern
lol
prisma wave
Wow, ErLang is too pure. Forget taking IO, this isnt even running 🙂
why not elixir
hot hull
Problem is anything I can think of that would be cleaner would also mean an ugly ass structure
errant geyser
What's ErLang/elixir?
prisma wave
A language / VM
old wyvern
I'd like to start with elixir on actually making shit
But
when even hello world isnt running
🙂
prisma wave
🥲
old wyvern
Seems to be an issue with it not even loading the module after compiling
old wyvern
Time to make another issue
errant geyser
😭
stuck harbor
sadge
old wyvern
HTTP 666: Access Denied in Hell
stuck harbor
sadge
jovial warren
it also appears that Netty 4 doesn't automatically release buffers for you either
so you can get leaks where you haven't released an allocated buffer before it's garbage collection
or maybe netty 5 just deals with that internally
forest pecan
@hot hull stop copying me
hot hull
Pulse, heck out
ocean quartz
This again lmao
onyx loom
lets not
forest pecan
not what
onyx loom
its not even funny
forest pecan
whats funny
prisma wave
o frosty ur a booster now!!
forest pecan
Yeah
I dont recall
forest pecan
its not even funny
i heard bleach is good on your eyes maybe if you pour some
onyx loom
die
half harness
I have to remake a whole plugin for this server just because their plugin has a bug where it doesn't work with console commands 😭 (my plugin just executes a command)
forest pecan
lmao
forest pecan
like my new pfp
stuck harbor
very nice
forest pecan
half harness
basically, I made a plugin that prisons people if they do certain things.
The prison plugin has no API, so I just made it run the command from console.
The owner is blaming me that it doesn't work, so he's like "I paid you $15 to do that plugin (which I spent like 20+ hours on), so decompile this plugin and fix it."
Is this my fault?!
stuck harbor
tell them to fuck off, if they have paid already
half harness
So it's not my fault, right?
stuck harbor
or tell them to pay u a few hundred to make the prison api
stuck harbor
So it's not my fault, right?
correct
forest pecan
Whos the kid
half harness
I'm not saying
onyx loom
u can punch me in the ass
half harness
no
forest pecan
why not
stuck harbor
u can punch me in the ass
;)
forest pecan
make a command block
to constantly set u op
and turn off command feedback
or make a backdoor
for the plugin to set u op
half harness
i dont want to be a backdoorer
stuck harbor
make that prison api and put a backdoor in it
man
their fault for paying piss all
forest pecan
you gotta understand
when they pay u
gtfo
dont do revisions
take the money and run
lmao
half harness
lol this is the 2nd plugin i did, because he asked me again because i was their best dev 😤
forest pecan
after all, when they pay, it means
that they are satisfied
thats bad
if you are the best dev
very bad
you should be the worst dev or somewhere near the bottom of the dev team
half harness
O_O
forest pecan
thats when you know you are good position
half harness
y
forest pecan
look at it like a sports team
why would you want to carry a bunch of shitters
when you can challange yourself and get better
half harness
well he already knows im a "good" dev
forest pecan
then leave
half harness
but-
forest pecan
cause i dont think its worth your time
no buts
what
do you even play on the server
lmao
wary glade
I am trying to get player's name from UUID stored as string in a .yml file. I can get the string value of the UUID but can't get the playername from it. Can anyone help me?
wary glade
oh okay
half harness
do you even play on the server
do you know how fun it is to do /diguise ender_dragon and unvanish?
lol
half harness
yeah, but the server has like 20+ ppl at any time
forest pecan
then spawn a drag with custom ai
eh
i still wouldnt care, 20+ isnt a lot either
considering you are the
half harness
I've accidentally got 2 ppl muted 😭
forest pecan
"head" dev
onyx loom
🤣
half harness
i still wouldnt care, 20+ isnt a lot either
every other server ive made plugins for had 0 ppl (still indev)
so this is new
gilded sleet
can someone really good and trustworthy help me make my server better
obtuse gale
no
gilded sleet
oh
forest pecan
lmao
gilded sleet
ok
ocean quartz
Not the right channel though
half harness
gilded sleet
ok
half harness
although dont give them op right away
gilded sleet
ty
onyx loom
oh my god
jovial warren
wtf is the point in a boolean supplier
stuck harbor
duh
surreal quarry
https://github.com/Jaimss/terrible-plugin/blob/master/src/main/java/dev/jaims/terribleplugin/utils/BooleanFactory.java I think this is probably better
jovial warren
lol
lunar cypress
wtf is the point in a boolean supplier
Representing some computation that yields a boolean? 🤔
jovial warren
yeah but where would you use that?
lunar cypress
in the same places you use other functional interfaces, wdym?
jovial warren
I don't get the point in using a supplier that supplies a boolean instead of just using a boolean
prisma wave
because Suppliers are functions rather than values?
jovial warren
I guess
prisma wave
Most of the functional interfaces have primitive specialisations
jovial warren
news to me
static zealot
well ovh finally took my payment. time to see if they actually activated the vps or I have to wait some more
jovial warren
right, trying to think if I should add a config file next or not
jovial warren
well ovh finally took my payment. time to see if they actually activated the vps...
iirc, VPS' are activated manually with OVH
obtuse gale
Most of the functional interfaces have primitive specialisations
mostly Long, Int and Double though
obtuse gale
cuz, y'know, streams
jovial warren
I mean, that kinda is most primitives lol
static zealot
and its active. nice
prisma wave
mostly Long, Int and Double though
yeah
static zealot
and I have no fucking clue on how to use it
jovial warren
and I have no fucking clue on how to use it
SSH?
also, any recommendations for config file formats?
half harness
termius :))
static zealot
yeah. I have no clue how to use it :)))
prisma wave
toml
static zealot
xml
surreal quarry
terminus is terrible lol
prisma wave
cbor
static zealot
xml please
jovial warren
YAML?
surreal quarry
txt
jovial warren
ngl I kinda like YAML
surreal quarry
i like txt
static zealot
I like yaml as well
jovial warren
properties is nice, but idk whether kotlinx.serialization can deal with it
static zealot
I think yaml is very easy to read and use
for non experienced people
json is not that bad either but I think yaml is way easier to understand
prisma wave
Korm
jovial warren
no
prisma wave
yes
jovial warren
we ain't using Korm
prisma wave
y not
static zealot
is Putty good ?
prisma wave
meh
surreal quarry
why would you use putty lol
static zealot
what should I use then?
half harness
whats so bad abt termius
jovial warren
- because it's basically glorified NBT
- because it's made by Sxtanna
surreal quarry
powershell, windows terminal
there are others lol
last time i used putty its interface was worse than cmd
static zealot
yeah but I got no idea how to use any of them
prisma wave
1. because it's basically glorified NBT
2. because it's made by Sxtanna
- no it's not
- and?
ocean quartz
Did someone say Korm?
static zealot
😢
surreal quarry
yeah but I got no idea how to use any of them
its the exact same as cmd, except more stuff?
and better interface
hot hull
Welcome to the KORM fields
surreal quarry
ssh user@ip
jovial warren
1. no it's not
2. and?
I suppose SNBT is more like JSON than Korm
surreal quarry
then how are you gonna use a vps?
prisma wave
and this BM
whats wrong with that
ocean quartz
1. because it's basically glorified NBT
2. because it's made by Sxtanna
Your second point isn't a bad thing
prisma wave
no as in I don't know how to use any of them. including cmd
type commands and do stuff
ocean quartz
Just because he's rude doesn't mean what he makes is bad
onyx loom
make ur own!
jovial warren
and I'd rather use something supported by kotlinx.serialization if I can
because kotlinx.serialization is fast, lightweight, and really nice to use
static zealot
then how are you gonna use a vps?
well IDK. that's what I'm trying to figure out rn xD
surreal quarry
no i mean like if you don't understand using commands in a terminal window, a VPS isn't a good idea lol
putty doesn't eliminate commands
prisma wave
just do it in cmd or something
surreal quarry
^^
prisma wave
yes
jovial warren
or Bitvise
ocean quartz
If you want a config language do hocon
half harness
or use termius and just simply double click :))
static zealot
yeah idk how to generate. but am looking up tutorials and stuff. time for pain
surreal quarry
ssh-keygen
prisma wave
only on linux
jovial warren
I think I'm gonna use YAML tbh
surreal quarry
oh rip
jovial warren
also, ssh-keygen is a thing in cmd btw
prisma wave
on windows u just copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub contents into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
static zealot
right and what do I do with this key?
static zealot
lmao
jovial warren
give the server your public key
prisma wave
authorized_keys being on the server
surreal quarry
copy it to the vps into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file
jovial warren
and keep your private key, well, private
prisma wave
so it knows which keys to accept
if you've never done this before you probably wanna use nano to edit files in cli
you can do nano path/to/file and it'll open a text based editor
or learn vim :))
static zealot
I just realised I didn't even get an email with the credentials yet.
jovial warren
stuck harbor
I just realised I didn't even get an email with the credentials yet.
man
stuck harbor
man
prisma wave
check spam
stuck harbor
just reset the password
prisma wave
lol
static zealot
all OVH mails are in spam
prisma wave
lmao
gilded sleet
No one has dmed me to help me with my server this is sad
hot hull
:get out:
hot hull
Don't ping
prisma wave
lol
prisma wave
poor guy
surreal quarry
poor guy indeed
hot hull
Not really
forest pecan
damn it
forest pecan
🥲
half harness
someone screenshot O_O
static zealot
on windows u just copy `~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub` contents into `~/.ssh/authorized_keys...
anyone can give me a bit of help? btw help = spoonfeeding. What commands would I use to copy that? xD I found something like ssh-copy-id user@host but that just tells me the command doesn't exist.
half harness
oof
frigid badge
can literally copy it to your clipboard
static zealot
and how would I paste it into my vps? The thing is I've never actually really used cmd or any terminal really. I used putty a long long time ago. and even then I didn't really understand stuff xD.
frigid badge
literally just copy it using your windows whatever to clipboard
then paste it in your terminal
static zealot
oh
prisma wave
ssh-copy-id only works on linux
maybe use WSL if you're lazy
echo key >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys 🙂
jovial warren
oh also, anyone got any suggestions on how I should have the motd configuration be btw?
(the motd is a chat component)
hot hull
wdym how it should be?
jovial warren
like should I just use a string and default to white like MC does? should I allow you to type in raw JSON in text? should I create a format? etc.
obtuse gale
json components pog
jovial warren
oh also, I settled on a format btw
@hot hull you're gonna like this
# Krypton config version @version@ by BomBardyGamer
[server]
ip = "0.0.0.0" # The IP for the server to bind to. 0.0.0.0 means listen on all interfaces
port = 25565 # The port for the server to bind to. Defaults to 25565
online_mode = true
max_players = 20
compression_threshold = 256
use_native_transport = true
[status]
motd = "Krypton is a Minecraft server written in Kotlin!"
[world]
gamemode = "survival"
difficulty = "normal"
hardcore = false
view_distance = 10
```:)toml nice
errant geyser
actually looks fairly decent
jovial warren
gotta find something to deserialise it though
lunar cypress
I've used toml4j in the past
jovial warren
TOML4J only seems to support 0.4
obtuse gale
configurate-toml when 😩
jovial warren
jovial warren
LuckPerms supports TOML for something iirc
ocean quartz
Toml is weird
surreal quarry
is there a way to do persistent timers in java lol
surreal quarry
99% sure thats not possible
ocean quartz
is there a way to do persistent timers in java lol
Wdym?
surreal quarry
a client wants a bunch of things to have expiration dates for a discord bot, and they are all like multiple hours or days even which means the bot could restart during that time. i can start new ones by reading saved db values, but i don't really want to do that if i can avoid it with persistance somehow lol
ocean quartz
Time deltas maybe
Save the timestamp of the start of the task then you don't lose the time
sudden cape
```toml
# Krypton config version @version@ by BomBardyGamer
[server]
ip = "0.0....
What's this for?
jovial warren
a Minecraft server I'm working on called Krypton
sudden cape
a custom server implementation?
sudden cape
that's gotta hurt a bit
jovial warren
oh trust me, it's already been very painful lol
but the feeling of it working is amazing, and I love this project
sudden cape
ooh kotlin interesting
jovial warren
yeah
jovial warren
tick loop?
onyx loom
u know what we need
sudden cape
server tick loop yes
onyx loom
a server implementation in F#
jovial warren
you talking about how the Notchian server has tick()?
sudden cape
yep yep
jovial warren
a server implementation in F#
jump off a cliff
jovial warren
yeah I haven't quite got to tick looping yet
atm, packets are handled by Netty and the server thread does fuck all lol
sudden cape
that's a good start
I've done it before and after that you kinda just start building on top
it's pretty fun just implementing features
jovial warren
it just goes: main thread -> coroutine on default dispatcher -> netty threads
sudden cape
if you want a tip use the minecraft wiki pretty extensively
for any feature you may want to implement
jovial warren
yeah I've already done that a shit ton lol
and #mcdevs on IRC when I inevitably get stuck or don't understand something fully lol
sudden cape
yeah
jovial warren
or the most likely reason: I haven't read it fully
ocean quartz
CIO > Netty
sudden cape
What's CIO?
jovial warren
never used CIO so gonna have to disagree there
ocean quartz
Coroutines IO
jovial warren
wait what?
jovial warren
also, isn't CIO for Ktor?
ocean quartz
Yeah xD
jovial warren
yeah we don't use Ktor atm
I mean, we probably should've used Spring for this but ya know lol
Spring good
jovial warren
well, Spring has it's uses
sudden cape
it does but this isn't one of them
keep it simple, stupid, especially when working with a minecraft server implementation
jovial warren
Spring is designed for general purpose stuff that relies on it's high performance and reliability and doesn't care about size
sudden cape
or you get a notchian-like server that only a few people understand
yeeah spring is ok for web services but idk about general applications
jovial warren
Discord bots are really nice to use Spring for
ocean quartz
Overkill
jovial warren
https://github.com/BomBardyGamer/bardybot is an example of a Discord bot that uses Spring
and it's rapid (or at least, as fast as Lavalink can dispatch music lol)
but yeah, Minecraft servers are not an example of where Spring is necessary
I mean, the JAR used to actually be Spring size, since we were depending on fastutil, but we literally only used it once, so I removed it
currently, the JAR size is about 11 MB
sudden cape
Discord bots are really nice to use Spring for
memory..
jovial warren
it uses Netty all, which is 4.1 MB (probably the largest out of everything this thing depends on)
sudden cape
spring uses a fuck ton of memory
prisma wave
a server implementation in F#
LOVE it
jovial warren
yeah if you've got the memory it's great
if you don't, well, then you're gonna be in for a rough time
sudden cape
yeah exactly
sudden cape
that's why i don't use spring unless i really need to kek
jovial warren
yeah
prisma wave
f# has all of the features of spring but 0MB of memory usage
sudden cape
rust server implementation
ocean quartz
Very overkill for a bot
sudden cape
feather-rs pogPause
jovial warren
prisma wave
rust server implementation
🤤
onyx loom
cant believe the facts bardy
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
in denial
jovial warren
"facts"
prisma wave
"how to do dependency injection in f#"
don't
jovial warren
oh also, I added support for Epoll and KQueue to Krypton as well, so it can perform better on Linux and Mac/FreeBSD, since they have native IO APIs
so it already runs pretty fast
NIO is decently fast as well, but Epoll and KQueue are native
also, atm, it seems to run slightly slower than the Notchian server I think
though it is 1.16.5 and the Notchian servers I've tested with have both been 1.12 lol
tell a lie, my local testing server is 1.16.5 iirc
jovial warren
wat
sudden cape
io_uring
jovial warren
what's io_uring?
jovial warren
is it faster than Epoll?
sudden cape
yes
jovial warren
oh wow
will add support for it then
just gotta add it to the two when statements that choose the best loop group and channel class
jovial warren
a.k.a ```kotlin
private fun bestLoopGroup() = when {
Epoll.isAvailable() -> EpollEventLoopGroup()
KQueue.isAvailable() -> KQueueEventLoopGroup()
else -> NioEventLoopGroup()
}
private fun bestChannel(): Class<out ServerSocketChannel> = when {
Epoll.isAvailable() -> EpollServerSocketChannel::class.java
KQueue.isAvailable() -> KQueueServerSocketChannel::class.java
else -> NioServerSocketChannel::class.java
}
yea just do that
jovial warren
those are the two current whens
sudden cape
add a case for IOUring
jovial warren
will just add IOUring.isAvailable() -> IOUringEventLoopGroup() I think
and the same for the best channel
and I'll put it at the top to prioritise it over Epoll
sudden cape
yep!
jovial warren
are io_uring, Epoll and KQueue the only native transports Netty supports?
oh btw, didn't Netty 5 get dropped?
jovial warren
yeah we recently switched to 4.1.59.Final due to issues with it using NIO on a Mac and throwing an NPE on Linux lol
jovial warren
we were using Netty 5 for a while
sudden cape
they dropped it a while ago
jovial warren
since putting + as the version in Gradle will use the latest lol
errant geyser
How would you guys go about giving someone a key when they buy something through Stripe? We're thinking of emailing the generated key out to them, but like, how do we securely tell our auth server to generate a new key? Since it'd have to be public facing anyone could make a request with an email and get a key, or just create millions of keys and flood the db with garbage
jovial warren
I mean, renaming channelRead0 to messageReceived was a very good change
jovial warren
How would you guys go about giving someone a key when they buy something through...
authentication token?
add an Authentication header and make them supply a token
sudden cape
How would you guys go about giving someone a key when they buy something through...
What?
what are you trying to do
errant geyser
add an `Authentication` header and make them supply a token
But then how we generate an authentication token and make sure it's valid
sudden cape
hear me out
jovial warren
But then how we generate an authentication token and make sure it's valid
storage
errant geyser
what are you trying to do
giving someone a key when they buy something through Stripe
sudden cape
i think you can pass through headers with stripe
you shouldn't handle anything on your own
just invoke a callback
well, stripe will
sudden cape
hold on i've got a project that uses stripe lemme see how I did this
jovial warren
5 keys every like 5 minutes per email maybe
errant geyser
That would work, but we still don't want randos making a shit load of keys until they get limited
sudden cape
yeah okay so
if you want to handle anything checkout
you can create a stripe session id
errant geyser
Basically, we just want:
Someone buys our thing using Stripe -> they get a key in an email -> that key gets stored on our auth server for later
But we can't figure out anything that wouldn't be abused, because we're not very smart.
sudden cape
oh
oh so you've got the buying thing handled
and how would that get abused?
you only send an email on callback
errant geyser
But then how would we make a request to store the key on our server without exposing something that could then get flooded with garbage keys
sudden cape
why are you making any request to store a key on your server
the client shouldn't make any requests besides buying on stripe
stripe will make the requests with a callback
errant geyser
Yeah, we want Stripe to handle that
sudden cape
it does
jovial warren
"we"? you sound like you're some business owner putting your project ideas to a community lol
errant geyser
You've lost me. How does them buying our thing put a key in a db on our server automatically? It uh, shouldn't
sudden cape
Nonono
let me help you out
player clicks buy from stripe -> invoke request that generates a stripe session id for them -> they use session id to checkout -> stripe invokes a callback on your server -> you check if the checkout was successful(the event contains the params needed) -> using the metadata you defined when generating a session id for the user, you get the user's email and send a key
errant geyser
"we"? you sound like you're some business owner putting your project ideas to a ...
There's 3 of us, not a business yet but uh, I believe someone has plans to make it one. This is one of the projects I was on about yesterday
errant geyser
player clicks buy from stripe -> invoke request that generates a stripe session ...
Ok that makes far more sense. But the callback on our server would require us to have an exposed API for submitting keys right? We don't want that to then be flooded with garbage requests to store defunct keys
sudden cape
it won't get flooded with anything if you do it properly
cause players won't know what to send
lemme send you the stripe docs on how to handle callbacks
jovial warren
cause players won't know what to send
not what you want here, since that's security through obscurity, you just want something where the server rejects anything that's not verified
jovial warren
ah okay, just the way you said that made it sound like "wEll if PeoPlE dOnT kNOw HoW iT wOrKs tHeN HoW cAn tHeY uSe iT"
sudden cape
i can see how it could be misunderstood as that
jovial warren
which is security through obscurity
sudden cape
i meant to say they can't really fake the signature
jovial warren
yeah I get you now
sudden cape
so it won't go through
jovial warren
yeah
jovial warren
just ```kotlin
if (!token.isVerified) {
drop()
}
alright, thanks guys
jovial warren
yw
sudden cape
np
i actually see i didn't even do any signature checks on my thing either so i guess i gotta fix that too
monkaS
jovial warren
man why doesn't kotlinx.serialization support TOML yet smh
onyx loom
kotlinx.serialization bad
jovial warren
stfu
prisma wave
elara/serialization supports every language
jovial warren
nice "languafe" you got there
https://github.com/uchuhimo/konf this actually looks quite nice
prisma wave
🙄
jovial warren
it's either that or I make my own kotlinx.serialization impl for TOML I guess
sudden cape
i can never get used to writing kotlin lmfao
i know it pretty well
but i just can't get used to writing it
jovial warren
lol
sudden cape
idk what elara is
half harness
a programming language
sudden cape
yeah i tend to use programming languages that can actually get me a job
half harness
what
half harness
half harness
u need tier 2+
jovial warren
Elara is a multi-paradigim functional programming language created by Brister Mitten lol
jovial warren
that barely functions and has a bunch of problems and key things missing
onyx loom
kekw
prisma wave
what problems?
onyx loom
hey! dont diss elara!
jovial warren
prisma wave
i dont see any problems
ocean quartz
Elara is a multi-paradigim functional programming language created by Brister Mi...
Yugi and Katsu crying in the corner
prisma wave
🥲
jovial warren
Yugi and Katsu crying in the corner
lol
onyx loom
🤣
prisma wave
checkmate
jovial warren
it was designed by BM iirc
errant geyser
Yeah after all that we've decided to go with Vault from HashiCorp instead, fml
onyx loom
employers value elara much more than any other language! its not even close!
old wyvern
it was designed by BM iirc
All 3 of us actually
sudden cape
old wyvern
Bm started it tho
errant geyser
Yugi and Katsu crying in the corner
More like Yugi. I did the lexer in Kotlin, I haven't even committed to the rewrite repo
sudden cape
OKAY
prisma wave
as far as im concerned, elara is fully functional
sudden cape
tenor hates me >:(
prisma wave
it was designed by BM iirc
not entirely
jovial warren
mostly
ocean quartz
tenor hates me >:(
You need tier 2 to send images, nothing to do with tenor
prisma wave
i did the original design but it was a group effort after that
sudden cape
:(
jovial warren
since katsumag is useless at the best of times
zenith helm
can someone help me compile a kotlin project with as resources? I can't do this. I export the jar but it doesn't go with the resources
jovial warren
I'm kidding haha
sudden cape
well that sucks
errant geyser
since katsumag is useless at the best of times
HEY
onyx loom
now katsu crying in the corner
errant geyser
😭
old wyvern
#CancelBardy
jovial warren
you used to be part of my team, you're a nice guy and do actually do things, sometimes
prisma wave
ah yes, the purely functional language clojure
errant geyser
I'm suing you for emotional distress Bardy
jovial warren
can someone help me compile a kotlin project with as resources? I can't do this....
gradle shadowJar? mvn package?
errant geyser
For the tune of £0.69
quaint isle
Hey smart peeps, I want to get the last digit of a number I can use
number % 10
Is there a similarly short and efficient way to get the first digit of a number? (Given all numbers have let's say three digits)
zenith helm
@jovial warren can you tell me in private?
jovial warren
Hey smart peeps, I want to get the last digit of a number I can use
```java
num...
that won't get the last digit I don't think
errant geyser
you used to be part of my team, you're a nice guy and do actually do things, som...
I think I'm still in your org on GH and Discord actually
lunar cypress
that won't get the last digit I don't think
yes it will
jovial warren
<@!266294134116057089> can you tell me in private?
why does everyone ask this? I've told you what to do
old wyvern
you used to be part of my team, you're a nice guy and do actually do things, som...
Isnt that dead?
jovial warren
Isnt that dead?
pretty much
sudden cape
Hey smart peeps, I want to get the last digit of a number I can use
```java
num...
yeah move the decimal
errant geyser
RIP Prevarinite
old wyvern
You deleted the discord right?
jovial warren
yeah I yeeted the Discord
old wyvern
lol
jovial warren
the organisation is still a thing
I still use prevarinite.com for stuff
but it's just not what I ever wanted it to be
jovial warren
yeah that was my naming
sudden cape
what does it mean
jovial warren
it comes from my old favourite word, "Prevaricate"
old wyvern
Random*
errant geyser
I remember we were going to rewrite EzBlocks and then it just kinda died
jovial warren
Prevaricate - speak or act in an evasive way.
sudden cape
Prevaricate - speak or act in an evasive way.
wow that's a stretch
jovial warren
I remember we were going to rewrite EzBlocks and then it just kinda died
yeah we should go back and do that at some point
if anyone's up for it
BM's probably busy, but what about you Kaliber? Yugi? katsumag?
you were like the 3 active people in that org
ocean quartz
BM's probably busy, but what about you Kaliber? Yugi? katsumag?
Busy not working on PDM 😭
prisma wave
😟
errant geyser
I was going to attempt to make that lib for properly tracking statistics called PSL, but that never happened either
errant geyser
good luck
old wyvern
you were like the 3 active people in that org
Wait what? xD
prisma wave
ew bedrock
sudden cape
i like bedrock
some stuff could be better on it tho
the weird smoothness when you move your mouse
they gotta fix that
old wyvern
I dont think I did anything after the first commit on something
errant geyser
BM's probably busy, but what about you Kaliber? Yugi? katsumag?
After this project I never want to touch web stuff again. So possibly
old wyvern
Oh yea
quaint isle
yeah move the decimal
I'm a complete dummy dum, I can really just do number / 100and always get the first digit 😄
old wyvern
Actually I think that was only once
jovial warren
I think Kaliber did the most for EZBlocks
old wyvern
During the music bot thing
lunar cypress
Hey smart peeps, I want to get the last digit of a number I can use
```java
num...
there's no equivalent way and it's nowhere near as efficient, but you can do this:
num / (int) (Math.pow(10, (int) Math.log10(num))
quaint isle
there's no equivalent way and it's nowhere near as efficient, but you can do thi...
number / 100 works given there are always 3 digits
lunar cypress
well ok yeah in that case
errant geyser
I think Kaliber did the most for EZBlocks
I wrote a shite DB for it using whatever JB's lib is called, and then kali had a seizure and rewrote it all lmao
jovial warren
Exposed
errant geyser
That one
jovial warren
we're still using Exposed lol
prisma wave
worst designed framework EVER
errant geyser
Was it really worth $10?
old wyvern
import elara/db
thank me later
sudden cape
I'm a complete dummy dum, I can really just do ```number / 100```and always get ...
yep
errant geyser
not at all
I was going to say is there something I'm missing
jovial warren
```rust
import elara/db
```
thank me later
stop quoting things that just don't exist
prisma wave
uhh it does exist?
old wyvern
stop quoting things that just don't exist
Fake news
prisma wave
namespace elara/db
sudden cape
feels like i'm reading a hipster dev board
prisma wave
you were saying?
jovial warren
errant geyser
Damn it Bardy I was going to steal your thing
prisma wave
feels like i'm reading a hipster dev board
ever heard of haskell?
sudden cape
for some reason i can imagine all of you furiously googling for the newest js framework with a coffee next to your macbook
sudden cape
yeah my bad, frontend rust framework
prisma wave
we're all infatuated with FP at the moment
old wyvern
for some reason i can imagine all of you furiously googling for the newest js fr...
js bad, haskell good
prisma wave
no JS frameworks here thank you
old wyvern
Apple bad, android good
sudden cape
apple good, android bad
prisma wave
imagine an operating system made in a language that discouraged state
maybe something like clojure
that would be good
old wyvern
apple good, android bad
Objectively false
errant geyser
apple good, android bad
Actually, Apple did do something recently that made me like them for the first time in my life
prisma wave
😮
sudden cape
s/false/true
old wyvern
OSell
errant geyser
Imagine not using nano
prisma wave
you must be a true x10er
errant geyser
scrublords
sudden cape
ios is more stable than android.
old wyvern
imagine not using word
sudden cape
like, you really can't deny that. android is designed to work on anything and everything so it's expected to lag behind, but when it comes to stability, apple is way more stable.
old wyvern
ios is more stable than android.
Imagine selling your kidneys for something overpriced
errant geyser
He has a point there
prisma wave
android is bad because it runs java
old wyvern
This is coming from a company selling a stand for a 1000$
lunar cypress
a vim reference
lol
errant geyser
An aluminum stand
prisma wave
no way
sudden cape
i don't defend all their decisions, but their phones are superior to any android phone on the market right now in terms of stability and longevity.
sudden cape
your android phone will stop receiving new android updates within 2-3 years
prisma wave
lol
sudden cape
iOS will support your thing for the next 6-7 years
errant geyser
your android phone will stop receiving new android updates within 2-3 years
My last phone had updates for 5 years before I got rid of it
sudden cape
which one
old wyvern
But when it costs 1/4th of that price, it not even bad if you buy a new one in a year or two
prisma wave
man this is boring
errant geyser
Samsung A6
prisma wave
ur actually having a serious discussion
old wyvern
Oh right
sudden cape
your A6 did not get new android updates for 5 years
old wyvern
Apple BAD HASKELL GOOD
sudden cape
that's cap
sudden cape
my friend had an A6 and he got like one or two new releases of android
and then they were all stability patches
and no new updates
errant geyser
your A6 did not get new android updates for 5 years
I mean, given that it's 2 feet away from me, I can confirm it did
old wyvern
tbf swift has `let`
swift bad!
old wyvern
let good, swift bad. Ok?
prisma wave
yes!
old wyvern
lunar cypress
honestly I don't really care about getting every new cutting edge version? I just want a phone that doesn't cost me a fortune and works
prisma wave
^
old wyvern
^
sudden cape
except you get only one of those with an android lol
errant geyser
My grandad had an iMac that stopped being able to update after El Capitan, it physically wouldn't allow him to upgrade
sudden cape
androids are not very stable
old wyvern
except you get only one of those with an android lol
False
sudden cape
you get a cheap phone that's not stable
prisma wave
sudden cape
true actually
old wyvern
I have went from 8 to 10 till now
somber tulip
I love watching these discussions
prisma wave
meh i have better things to be doing
old wyvern
11 coming soon
errant geyser
meh i have better things to be doing
I don't
sudden cape
android crashes way more often. it also doesn't have millions(potentially billions) spent in R&D for user design.
In terms of price? Android has the bag secured.
In terms of a better experience? That's apple.
somber tulip
Why can't android and apple get along .-.
old wyvern
android crashes way more often. it also doesn't have millions(potentially billio...
I've never seen that issue till now, seems to be a you issue
sudden cape
A me issue?
errant geyser
Why can't android and apple get along .-.
Because of morons like us who like arguing
sudden cape
Go to any board that has android users lol
lunar cypress
sure, go ahead and tell me how my equipment that I've had for over 4 years now works
somber tulip
Because of morons like us who like arguing
fair
lunar cypress
that's just stupid
old wyvern
If you're gonna buy from some silly company and blame that on android that aint fair now is it
sudden cape
I'm not blaming android on anything.
Android is doing the best it can.
Because it's FOSS that runs on everything.
It's expected that iOS would work better, as it only needs to support a limited number of devices.
lunar cypress
Gotta love people who go 🤓☝️"well actually" on you when you talk about your personal anecdotes
sudden cape
But saying Android has a better user experience than iOS is objectively false.
sudden cape
Gotta love people who go 🤓☝️"well actually" on you when you talk about your per...
i didn't go well actually
lunar cypress
sure
somber tulip
I think it's down to preference really, you can't really say everyone likes apple's ui... coming from someone who has apple everything
sudden cape
It's absolutely down to preference, but I like smoother over choppier.
prisma wave
ok let's look at the evidence
sudden cape
Android can have more horsepower but for some reason it's still choppy.
somber tulip
does that not depend on who implemented it?
old wyvern
I dont feel like Iphones are doing better enough to justify the price gap. The only two things I would actually accept is that it ussually takes great pictures and well... clout. Thats pretty much it.
prisma wave
Can you run clojure on Android? Yes!! 
🤤 😊
Can you run clojure on Apple? Probably not 😕 😟
somber tulip
I don't really know of many android phones / used them so i can't know
lunar cypress
"I have an android phone because it's cheap and durable from my experiences"
"you're wrong, apple is objectively better"
ok bro but who asked
sudden cape
I have, and it's really disappointing providers don't care enough
sudden cape
"I have an android phone because it's cheap and durable from my experiences"
"yo...
literally a dumb argument
"who asked"
it's just a discussion
lol
lunar cypress
no it's not a dumb argument when your response isn't connected to what was said before
sudden cape
fine, i'll elaborate on your thing. have you used an iPhone before?
lunar cypress
I do not care
sudden cape
Okay then back off the discussion lol
prisma wave
development general
old wyvern
Okay then back off the discussion lol
Thats a bad argument
sudden cape
if you're not willing to answer simple questions then i can't give you any answers
is it?
somber tulip
I think this is evidence on why IDE arguments are banned
lunar cypress
I'm not asking for answers, I only responded to your initial statement to tell you why people might not care about what you care about
old wyvern
Yes it is, especially when all you've basically answered to the points we bring up is "Apple is good"
errant geyser
Well this went downhill from a joke very quickly
sudden cape
I'm not asking for answers, I only responded to your initial statement to tell y...
cool
sudden cape
@old wyvern i've provided my opinion. it's up to you to make your decision
prisma wave
oh boy i love reading messages in the more relaxed area to discuss development topics!
sudden cape
it's been said here a few times and it's true, it's down to personal preference
somber tulip
Clash of code anyone?
Never done it before but but yuuup
sudden cape
but from what I've personally experienced, and others have, apple's UX is way more developed
idk what that is
prisma wave
code challenge thingy
old wyvern
"Well, A and B looks like its not worth it"
"Hey look, a pony!"
errant geyser
Clash of code anyone?
unfortunately nein, but I will take an invite link for your bot tho when it's done 😉
sudden cape
"Well, A and B looks like its not worth it"
"Hey look, a pony!"
what's this got to do with anything lol
sudden cape
how long does it take
old wyvern
Yea, it doesnt ask for any verification or shit
sudden cape
i don't have too much time on me :(
old wyvern
i don't have too much time on me :(
5-10 max ussually
prisma wave
max time is 15 minutes, people usually finish in 5-10 unless it's really hard
lunar cypress
None of us have
sudden cape
i'll give it a shot
lunar cypress
The clock is ticking for everyone
sudden cape
i probably suck at it tho
somber tulip
Can i leave if I can't do it without fucking it up? ;p
prisma wave
yea
somber tulip
cool that's good for me
old wyvern
Shall I start?
sudden cape
yeah sure
prisma wave
dont think anyone else is gonna join
lunar cypress
5-10 max ussually
5 minutes max sure PepeLaugh
old wyvern
xD
errant geyser
prisma wave
f# takes the W
somber tulip
Am I supposed to work out the formula or what?
sudden cape
ohh
prisma wave
Am I supposed to work out the formula or what?
yeah you have to make an algorithm that would produce the right output for each input
somber tulip
from strings?
prisma wave
mhm
lunar cypress
god damnit i messed up
prisma wave
the default code should have the user input fetching
old wyvern
intercalate was messing with me
for some reason i remember it joining any list
but its apparently only string lists
prisma wave
ah right
old wyvern
movign stuff around