dev-general

[quiet depot]

circlejerk contribution?

or school

[hot hull]

No reason at all

[jovial warren]

C# has absolutely diabolical conventions, I can second this notion

[prisma wave]

yeah haskell is one of the languages that you could realistically use without an IDE

[hot hull]

Just cause why not

[old wyvern]

Yup

ghcid is good enough for anything

[quiet depot]

weird lang to learn for a why not

why not brainfuck

[jovial warren]

lol

[old wyvern]

Why is that?

[hot hull]

Nah that's what BM's site suggested

[prisma wave]

lmao

[hot hull]

So that's what we doing

[onyx loom]

just a fun thing

[jovial warren]

it's a new thing Piggy

[quiet depot]

idk why nots r usually weird langs

[onyx loom]

frosty had the magical idea

[hot hull]

And no, you can heck out with brainfuck

[old wyvern]

F# is actually not too weird

[quiet depot]

but f# isn’t meant to be weird

[jovial warren]

we each learn a new functional programming language every week

[prisma wave]

you don't "learn" brainfuck

[hot hull]

I mean F# syntax is pretty straightforward

[prisma wave]

it's not weird at all

[quiet depot]

u could try learn apl, that’s a why not lang

[old wyvern]

🤷

[jovial warren]

Haskell's syntax is a bit complex sometimes, but it's not bad

the things you can do with Haskell are pretty insane

[hot hull]

Yugi, when you starting on the renderer :))

[old wyvern]

Did you install eveything for developement bard?

[jovial warren]

not yet

I haven't started yet lol

[quiet depot]

what renderer

[old wyvern]

After class

[jovial warren]

I got more important things to do

[hot hull]

ew classes

[old wyvern]

Thats gonna be fun xD

[quiet depot]

is this for the map gen thing?

[old wyvern]

yes piggy

[jovial warren]

I think they're talking about the world generator that Frosty's working on

[prisma wave]

ghcup

[jovial warren]

that might eventually make it's way into Krypton with some Kotlin tweaks

[old wyvern]

Make sure to install ghcid

building with stack everytime for errors is going to cause brain damage

[jovial warren]

wat dis

[old wyvern]

Handles type checking and stuff while you are writing in an external terminal

[jovial warren]

also, anyone wanna help me clear up some code that I totally didn't steal straight from Mojang?

https://paste.helpch.at/hihazujuvu.pl 🙂

[old wyvern]

.pl

[jovial warren]

yeah no idea how that Kotlin code got interpreted as whatever .pl is

[old wyvern]

https://paste.helpch.at/hihazujuvu.kt

[jovial warren]

Perl????

[prisma wave]

perl maybe

[jovial warren]

how tf is that Perl?

[prisma wave]

im pretty sure hastebin's detection is either really bad, or just random

[jovial warren]

anyway... yeah... have fun with that xD

[hot hull]

Me likey

[static zealot]

oh

[hot hull]

I love how dark mode is selected as default ❤️

[prisma wave]

rider is really nice

[onyx loom]

pog

[prisma wave]

beautiful

[onyx loom]

does f# have a keyword like it in kotlin?

[prisma wave]

dont think so

[onyx loom]

writing fun for the params is so weird

[prisma wave]

yea

you dont use those much anyway

it's usually better to define a named function

[stuck harbor]

man

[prisma wave]

eg ```fs
let square x = x * x
let isEven n = n % 2 = 0

[1..10] |> List.map square |> List.filter isEven

[onyx loom]

ah right yea, that makes a lot more sense

and cleaner ig

[prisma wave]

mhm

much more readable

you can use List.iter instead of for x in y do also

it's basically forEach

[onyx loom]

ah right

yeah didnt know what it was called

not being able to print ints without using the $ or % shit is abit weird too

but ykno, language isnt too bad so far 👍

[prisma wave]

yea it's nice

theres probably a reason for that

i think you can do like .ToString() as well

o maybe not

java has the % stuff btw, that's what String.format is

[onyx loom]

yeah

so far its been like everywhere in the docs xd

[prisma wave]

yeah lol

[hot hull]

They lied to me

Unless I'm missing something

[prisma wave]

works fine for me

[astral quiver]

I'm back baby doll

[hot hull]

Am I just dumb or am I missing something, it doesn't write anything

[half harness]

what language is that

[onyx loom]

f#

[hot hull]

F#

[onyx loom]

do u need to create the file frosty

o nvm

FileMode

[hot hull]

Enough for today, I'll watch some yt on it later

[prisma wave]

You probably need to flush the stream / writer

[unkempt tangle]

Anyone aware of an small gui application to cut/split audio files?

[half harness]

windows photo viewer or whatever it's called :))

[unkempt tangle]

Not overbloated crap

[prisma wave]

audacity?

[unkempt tangle]

Tiny-er

[half harness]

why

[onyx loom]

wym audacity is so simple

[unkempt tangle]

Too many windows

[onyx loom]

?

[unkempt tangle]

I just wanna type in 00:23 til 03:33

Would be possible with ffmpeg cli

but I wand something handier

[regal gale]

Online audio editor 👍. Tiny-er for u

[half harness]

lmao

[unkempt tangle]

Nah

[half harness]

now you want bigger?

._.

[onyx loom]

ur best bet is honestly audacity

its great

[unkempt tangle]

I know audacity

But too many confirmation windows

[half harness]

iTs nOt tHe RiGhT sIzE

[regal gale]

Wot

[unkempt tangle]

Too many clicks

To achieve what I want

[half harness]

just code one yourself if you really hate all the others

[regal gale]

Online audio editor is your best bet rn lmao

[weary epoch]

Gianluca is in a discord for trading in hypixel skyblock

[regal gale]

There's no other way

[unkempt tangle]

no one says I hate them

[regal gale]

You hate it :)

[weary epoch]

@prisma wave tutorial when?

[onyx loom]

its like 5 clicks?

[unkempt tangle]

I would rather use ffmpeg

[half harness]

then use ffmpeg...

[unkempt tangle]

You fool

Get lost

[weary epoch]

If you don’t know how to drag click don’t talk to me

[unkempt tangle]

Already

[half harness]

lol

[half harness]

i guess i can talk to you 🙂

[unkempt tangle]

Multiple it by 105 audio files

[weary epoch]

Fine if you don’t know how to god bridge or moonwalk don’t talk to me

[half harness]

i guess I can still talk to you 🙂

[onyx loom]

sounds like a you problem

[half harness]

I can godbridge 40+ blocks

[unkempt tangle]

Therefore I was asking for ideas.

[weary epoch]

If you can’t Telly bridge don’t talk to me

[half harness]

I can telly bridge

sorta

just once

then i have to reposition

then i can do once

then reposition

etc

[onyx loom]

make a quick program to cut the audio automatically 🙂

[half harness]

so I can still talk to you 🙂

[regal gale]

Also I forgot to tell something

Sir this is #dev-general

[weary epoch]

MAJOR cap

[onyx loom]

Sir this is #dev-general

[half harness]

no its not

[weary epoch]

Barely anyone can telly

[half harness]

im not capping

[weary epoch]

FINE if you can’t andromeda bridge 40+ blocks don’t talk to me

[regal gale]

P.S: You all are kids for still Minecraft PvP til this date

k thx

[half harness]

can you andromeda bridge 40+ blocks?

it has to be something that you can do

[weary epoch]

I can download vape client

[half harness]

?

[half harness]

me too

[weary epoch]

Pvp is fun

[half harness]

jk im not gonna pay for hacks

thats stupid

[regal gale]

Sir this is #dev-general

[half harness]

no its not!

[weary epoch]

No this is #off-topic

[half harness]

exactly

[half harness]

lets 1v1 later

[weary epoch]

Maybe

But I’ll destroy you

And your bloodline

[half harness]

did u 1v1 remence yet

[weary epoch]

We 1v1 before

You were so bad

[half harness]

who won?

oh

lol

[weary epoch]

Me every single time

[half harness]

lets 1v1 again

[forest pecan]

hey i wanna 1v1

but i get to use hacks

deal?

for 100 bucks

[half harness]

i have anticheat :))

[weary epoch]

In buildUHC I dropped my sword on purpose and used my axe instead

An ITON axe

[half harness]

how long ago was this?

[forest pecan]

real men play on hypixel uhc and destroy hackers

[half harness]

pulse

[forest pecan]

and bhoppers

[half harness]

i thought u were an anti-1.8

[forest pecan]

doesnt mean i dont play it

[half harness]

what???

[weary epoch]

~2 months ago

[half harness]

Hey 1.8 sucks it's the absolute worst
uses 1.8

[forest pecan]

i hate hosting the server on that, but it doesn't mean i don't like playing it...

i never said i hated playing on it itself lmao

[half harness]

........

pulse exposed

[forest pecan]

?

what

[half harness]

lol

[regal gale]

Sir this is #dev-general

[forest pecan]

Exactly

dkim

get outta here

non

[weary epoch]

I severely doubt that you can telly bridge when you couldn’t beat me 2 months ago (I didn’t know how to butterfly and sprint reset back then)

[half harness]

._.

non?

[half harness]

i dont think i could telly bridge that long ago

[forest pecan]

that's you

non

you are blue

i am pink

[half harness]

im not that good at pvp

[weary epoch]

Who’s this random in the chat this man needs to get tier 2 for imagine perms his name is @half harness

[forest pecan]

bro ikr

@half harness must only click 2 cps

imagine

[half harness]

what

[weary epoch]

Dkim is major cap

[half harness]

also

do u guys jitter or butterfly

[weary epoch]

He probably scroll clicks or auto clicks

[regal gale]

You forgot the most important thing of all

[half harness]

;-;

[weary epoch]

Both

[regal gale]

Bow shots

[weary epoch]

Get out of here bow spammer

[half harness]

bow shots?

[regal gale]

And means I can use auto-aim on u

[weary epoch]

Leave this discord server

[half harness]

lol

[regal gale]

Without anti-cheat blocking da way

[old wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-yeezy-gif-5080680

[weary epoch]

Bow spamming isn’t skills

[half harness]

i told you, i can barely do it, ||and 95% of the times fail||

[regal gale]

I ruled an entire server around 3 yrs ago only with bow lmao

I hate swords and axes

Now, ew pvp mc. It sucks

[half harness]

so yea i guess i was capping a little lol

[regal gale]

Also

[weary epoch]

Fine, if you can’t consistently (over 50%) Telly don’t talk to me

[half harness]

ok 😢

stop spamminggg

we're obv talking about java

[regal gale]

Sir this is #dev-general

[old wyvern]

Sir this is #dev-general

[forest pecan]

i cant butterfly click cause my fingers are fat

[hot hull]

Sir this is #dev-general

[half harness]

lol

STAFF

ok bye

[regal gale]

Good boi 👍

[weary epoch]

Hi frosty

Can you godbridge?

[regal gale]

Sir this is #dev-general

[old wyvern]

Sir this is #dev-general

[half harness]

Sir this is #dev-general

[weary epoch]

SORRY

[half harness]

Sir this is #dev-general

[weary epoch]

Hi frosty can you code it so you can godbridge

[half harness]

😂

[old wyvern]

Sir this is #dev-general

[regal gale]

Sir this is #dev-general

[weary epoch]

I said the word code

[old wyvern]

Sir this is #dev-general

[weary epoch]

So that means it’s developing related

[regal gale]

#816184747024711693 or #816184744797929522 k thx

[half harness]

lmao

[regal gale]

Since it's a request

[weary epoch]

I will request for you to shut up

[quiet depot]

@compact perch What channel is this?

[half harness]

admin 😱

[compact perch]

@quiet depot, I didn't get that. Can you repeat?

[weary epoch]

For free obviously

[quiet depot]

no

[onyx loom]

☹️

[quiet depot]

fuck you barry

go die

[regal gale]

Lmao

[half harness]

@compact perch how are you

[onyx loom]

🥲

[regal gale]

Dyno better

[half harness]

@loud gyro 😍

@loud gyro > @compact perch

[weary epoch]

Toxic get banned, speed running

[quiet depot]

@compact perch what channel is this?

[compact perch]

@quiet depot, I didn't get that. Can you say it again?

[quiet depot]

no

what

why

[half harness]

lmaooo

@compact perch what channel is this?

[quiet depot]

who is toxic

[old wyvern]

Barry dumb

[weary epoch]

Banning you rn

[half harness]

wow

[weary epoch]

Imagining telling a bot to die

[regal gale]

@compact perch can you kill yourself

[weary epoch]

Bots have feelings TOO 🥲

[quiet depot]

ok I think dialogflow is actually broken

[forest pecan]

shit

wasn't me

i promise

[weary epoch]

I hacked into ur bot and broke it

[regal gale]

Piggy try ask him to kill himself to shut the bot 😂

[weary epoch]

I got the bots discord token

[regal gale]

That would be really cool

[quiet depot]

@compact perch what channel is this

[compact perch]

@quiet depot, Sir this is #dev-general

[weary epoch]

The bots token is: veuskb7823762828?byejevd USA

[half harness]

would it be possible to have a string that only my bot can have, and it cannot be retrievable by decompiling or anything?

[quiet depot]

no

[hot hull]

No

[half harness]

rip

i guess ill just have to trust some ppl

lol

[quiet depot]

you never have to trust anyone

there's always ways to protect things

you're just trying to protect it wrong

[half harness]

or i can obfuscate

ye

[quiet depot]

that's not the solution either

[weary epoch]

Don’t do that 😄 👍

[half harness]

oh

[forest pecan]

obfuscation doesnt od anything

lol

[half harness]

then what do I do

[hot hull]

Don't obfuscate

[quiet depot]

the simple fact is that only you need access to the bot's files, where the token is

[half harness]

wdym

the ppl i have to trust can see all the files

[quiet depot]

yeah

[half harness]

so if i put config, they see that

[quiet depot]

remove that ability

problem fixed

[half harness]

oh-

[quiet depot]

they don't need those files

[half harness]

what-

but-

yes they do

[quiet depot]

they really don't

they never do

[forest pecan]

just make a separate server

lol

[half harness]

hm

but

[quiet depot]

give me a good reason why they need them

[half harness]

okay

I'll explain more

[quiet depot]

and i'll tell you why they don't

[forest pecan]

LOL

[half harness]

basically, i have a bot inside of a plugin (or that's my plan, im not on pc rn), so that i can "communicate" between the server and discord

in order to communicate, I'd have to have a bot/plugin

and there are a bunch of other people (i think like 5) that have access to server files

[quiet depot]

yep, why do they need access to the server files?

[weary epoch]

I should make a hacked client and get mega rich by making it paid

[half harness]

so that they can configure the plugins

or

what if i use mysql somehow

[quiet depot]

ok, why can't they configure it in localhost, then just give you the configs

[half harness]

idk

[forest pecan]

dont let them configure

they give you

[half harness]

too much work for both

[forest pecan]

not really

i made modpacks before

i had to send them by zips

[quiet depot]

it's probably less work frankly

[forest pecan]

on mega

[opal fractal]

configure a filezilla user

its done i think

[forest pecan]

what..

[quiet depot]

lol

[half harness]

lol

[forest pecan]

lol

[quiet depot]

enes that's not how it works I'm afraid

[forest pecan]

sir, Firezilla is an ftp/stp file viewer

you can edit files

there is no "user" thingy

[hot hull]

Can't you just lock that file?

[quiet depot]

yeah filezilla is just a client, you can't impose restrictions on a specific client, that can only be done on the server side

[forest pecan]

too many configs

[quiet depot]

i'm assuming he's using a shared host frosty

[forest pecan]

too many files to lock

[hot hull]

Yikes

[half harness]

i think the server hosting i use removed ftp access a while ago (so only web file explorer)

[quiet depot]

what the fuck

[forest pecan]

WHAT

[quiet depot]

stop using that host

[forest pecan]

????

yeah

just sotp

lol

web file explorer what the fuck

[opal fractal]

its mess

[quiet depot]

you're basically using wix for minecraft at that point

[forest pecan]

lol

[half harness]

but

[quiet depot]

no buts

[half harness]

we're just using the host because it's $1/gb, and the server is indev

[hot hull]

Bruh please remove but from your vocabulary

[quiet depot]

any host that doesn't give you real file access (i.e. not over a web browser) honestly can't be classified as a real host at that point

it's just a wix

dkim typically localhost serves that purpose

[half harness]

well they used to have it...

but now i assume they probably still do, but i can't find it

[quiet depot]

anyway

[surreal quarry]

Then they probably dont

[quiet depot]

regardless of whether you have sftp access or not

[forest pecan]

why are you using a server without ftp

[quiet depot]

they still don't need file access lol

[forest pecan]

[half harness]

yes they do

[quiet depot]

why?

[forest pecan]

no they dont

you are being lazy

lmao

do it the hardway

maintain security

dont ask the question the first place if you gonna not allow it

[half harness]

plus im just the dev, im not the owner

although I have contact with the owner

[quiet depot]

then why do you even care??

[forest pecan]

Then tell the owner

and also that

why do you care lmao

[half harness]

because im the one making the bot

[hot hull]

And?

[half harness]

that was the whole point of this convo ;-;

[hot hull]

They should be using their own bot token for it

[half harness]

I want to keep the token hidden

[quiet depot]

their server, security is their problem

feel free to bring up the security issues to the owner

but if they choose not to do anything

that is entirely on them

so you make the bot how you please

[half harness]

alright

ok

ill dm him

[forest pecan]

is this a server?

and you are the dev?

[half harness]

yes

[forest pecan]

it seems the owner is not experienced

you should leave

im telling you that you shouldn't work for servers where the owner

has no idea what they are doing

[half harness]

hes experiened-

[hot hull]

90% of the mc community :kek:

[forest pecan]

how?

[half harness]

but

[forest pecan]

no sftp?

is that experienced?

no buts

[half harness]

i dont want to just straight up leave

[quiet depot]

idk pulse some owners are willing to learn

[hot hull]

.

[weary epoch]

@forest pecan you’re right the owner is dumb and bad at math I heard he dropped out of kindergarten

[forest pecan]

Lol

[hot hull]

encription, be gone

[weary epoch]

FTP isn’t that good

[quiet depot]

ftp is awful

[half harness]

ok i gtg

[quiet depot]

you should always prefer sftp, or ftps

[half harness]

thx for the info 🙂

[quiet depot]

definitely stray far away from any hosts that only have ftp

[weary epoch]

YES

[forest pecan]

well ftp is not secured

right

[weary epoch]

Someone that understands security

[forest pecan]

cause secured file transfer protocol

compared to file transfer protocol

[quiet depot]

I actually know fuck all about security, i'm not the guy you should be listening to

[forest pecan]

well this is basic stuff

tbh

[quiet depot]

yeah

[forest pecan]

people should know this

lol

[quiet depot]

that's why I know about it

[forest pecan]

dkimMoment++;

lol

[weary epoch]

[MVP++++++++] Dkimnoob123: anyone selling superior dragon armour for 2k coins?

[forest pecan]

omg

so true

tho

[quiet depot]

is 2k a lot for you guys?

funny has like hundreds of millions

[forest pecan]

in like sb?

[quiet depot]

yea

[forest pecan]

i have 40 million

right now

[weary epoch]

It’s so little I make it in less than 5 seconds

[forest pecan]

cause i dont grind

[quiet depot]

funny wastes millions on shit he doesn't need

[weary epoch]

He sharing?

[forest pecan]

lol

[quiet depot]

like he bought a sword for 70 mil or something ridiculous from the auction

[onyx loom]

sweat

[forest pecan]

reasonable

cause its midas

prolly

[quiet depot]

he doesn't even play that much

u guys should see his island

i'm not sure if you guys know but cube is actually a pro builder

[forest pecan]

https://sky.shiiyu.moe/stats/PulseBeat_02/Apple

Yeah

[obtuse gale]

Sir this is #dev-general

[forest pecan]

Sir stfu

lol

[quiet depot]

@compact perch what channel is this

[compact perch]

@quiet depot, Sir this is #dev-general

[weary epoch]

Sir leave this discord

[forest pecan]

@compact perch what channel is this

[quiet depot]

lol i think your stats are better than this

but he has more coins

so whatever

https://sky.shiiyu.moe/stats/funnycube/Blueberry

[weary epoch]

Sir go stub your foot and then poop your pants but your water won’t work so you can’t shower and you ran out of toilet paper and you have to just sit there with it

[forest pecan]

lmao

[hot hull]

https://sky.shiiyu.moe/stats/Frcsty/Lemon

[quiet depot]

is it possible to see how many coins u have in the clan

[hot hull]

As one should be

[quiet depot]

thru that site

[forest pecan]

its an api thing

you need to enable it

in settings in hypixel

for skyblock

[quiet depot]

i'll just join hypixel real quick

[forest pecan]

there is a bank api, an inventory api, and a skills api or smthing like that

[quiet depot]

how do u check it when u join?

[forest pecan]

go into skyblock

then click in the settings

then profile

then api settings or smthing

then enable it

[quiet depot]

no

how do u check the balance in game

[forest pecan]

oh

[onyx loom]

invite me to helpchat guild 🙂

[forest pecan]

well do you want purse

[onyx loom]

i promise i will add value to the guild 🙂

[forest pecan]

or bank

[quiet depot]

ask cube

bank

i can see my purse on that site

it's empty

[weary epoch]

My brother is beating up another orphan I gtg for a minute

[forest pecan]

can't you just go to the bank

and see

lol

[onyx loom]

what is wrong with u

[quiet depot]

idk pulse

I don't play skyblock

when I play with cube he just drags me around with the party warp thing and tells me what to do

it's usually pretty fun so I never attempted to go solo

[forest pecan]

Yeah at the hub

there is this giant gold pot thingy

area

next to where you spawn

its to the left of you

you go inside that

[weary epoch]

Ik the “hub” I go there every night

[forest pecan]

and then click on the npc

and then you can check

[quiet depot]

wtf

[forest pecan]

lmao

[quiet depot]

we only have 35 mil

[forest pecan]

xD

[quiet depot]

cube must have spent it on something

[forest pecan]

coops

lol

[quiet depot]

or maybe i've just been remembering incorrectly

[weary epoch]

Imagine not bazaar flipping

[quiet depot]

@pallid gale how much money did u have in skyblock

anyone on hypickle rn?

[weary epoch]

No

Someone offered me a free dragon set

[onyx loom]

@prisma wave F# match is disgusting

[weary epoch]

So later you know imma be using it

@prisma wave yes when is the tutorial you lazy noob

[quiet depot]

cube's sweaty ass base

[prisma wave]

how so

[prisma wave]

idk lol

[onyx loom]

match blah with
| "blah"

[weary epoch]

ITS BEEN like 2 god damn months

You have no willpower

[prisma wave]

no

im busy

[prisma wave]

whats wrong with that

[weary epoch]

How do you expect to get a job if you can’t do things you don’t like

[onyx loom]

everything

| is completely useless

with is disgusting

[prisma wave]

better than haskell

case x of 
| a -> blah

[onyx loom]

oh god

[prisma wave]

i dont mind it

[forest pecan]

can you deserialize a json into a multihashmap

cause im getting map rn

[onyx loom]

atleast haskell is less chars :bigbrain:

[forest pecan]

[prisma wave]

🙄

match with sounds good

[weary epoch]

Did you finish elara

[onyx loom]

technically itll never be finished

[formal arrow]

how to put an enchanted item ?

[onyx loom]

theres always something that can be improved on

[onyx loom]

elaborate

[formal arrow]

no in deluxemenu

[prisma wave]

wiki

[onyx loom]

#general-plugins

[steel heart]

Yes u can

ftr its called HashMultimap and is a SetMultimap btw

[forest pecan]

i meant that

[steel heart]

Idk if gson provides a serializer for you, if not use a type adapter maybe

or if guava injects some serializers to gson

[forest pecan]

dont think it does

[steel heart]

hmm probably not

[prisma wave]

just convert to a map and back

[forest pecan]

with collection of stuff

as its values

right

[steel heart]

wait have you tried TypeToken<Map<K,Collection<V>> ?

then ofc Multimap#asMap

[forest pecan]

I tried the collection but it didnt work

here some info:

Code: https://paste.helpch.at/duhujicufu.java
JSON: https://paste.helpch.at/iralopahab.json
Error: https://paste.helpch.at/wekeluduti.bash

[half harness]

How would you "hack" into it?

without the ip

[forest pecan]

i don't you think you understand

thats not the point

[prisma wave]

you could do a MITM attack fairly easily

[forest pecan]

the point is so hackers don't listen also

what files you send

[half harness]

what is that

[half harness]

but how would they listen to it?

[forest pecan]

"Main in the middle"

or what i described

[prisma wave]

man in the middle*

[half harness]

wdym

[forest pecan]

Observations in traffic

don't ask why

it exists

[half harness]

what is man in the middle

[forest pecan]

smh

[half harness]

I-

[forest pecan]

i cant explain to someone who didnt know generics

for such a long time

lmao

[half harness]

;-;

java generics?

they ez now

[forest pecan]

the idea is sftp is when the files you send are encrypted

meaning listeners in the middle

[prisma wave]

an attack where people can intercept and possibly modify traffic

[forest pecan]

can't know what you are sending

because it is encrypted

ftp doesn't have that much security

[half harness]

but how would you know what machine to listen to?

[forest pecan]

its not about which machine

[half harness]

oh

[forest pecan]

they track traffic

[half harness]

like

all

traffic?

[forest pecan]

Yes

[half harness]

👀

[forest pecan]

they can do that

[half harness]

😱

ic

[forest pecan]

They can manipulate traffic as well

[prisma wave]

basically

if it doesnt have encryption

dont use it

terrible idea

[half harness]

uh

[forest pecan]

its similar to http

and https

[half harness]

the host i use didn't have sftp back when it had ftp

and i know some other hosts

[prisma wave]

🥶

[half harness]

that dont have sftp

[forest pecan]

thats bad

[prisma wave]

it's 2021

and they dont have sftp

damn

[half harness]

at first when i heard about sftp a while ago

i thought it was a bad version of ftp 😂

[forest pecan]

??

[half harness]

dont question lol

[prisma wave]

ftp is a bad version of sftp

[half harness]

well ye i know that now

[forest pecan]

just remember

if any word has the letter 's' in it

[half harness]

ok

[forest pecan]

use it

xD

if it doesn't, don't

[half harness]

xD

[forest pecan]

lol

[half harness]

my name doesn't have s in it

[forest pecan]

dont use it

lol

[half harness]

oh-

[wind patio]

might be an odd question

I'm using npp

and I want to replace a number, for ex. (1, ((2,, etc.) to ('1', in multiple lines using regex

is there a way to do it using backreference?

[distant sun]

\((\d+), -> \('\1',

[jovial warren]

https://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol#Update_Light omfg no way

YES

that's gonna be so much easier

goodbye whacky, messy and annoying bit masks, hello easy to work with long arrays!

up with 1.17, down with 1.16.5! xD

[hot hull]

Anyone wanna judge
https://github.com/op65n/VaultManager/tree/development

[jovial warren]

oh btw, just wanna ask something. in terms of APIs, should I:

• create my own API in Kotlin from scratch
• implement Sponge
• implement Bukkit

[hot hull]

create your own api

But please don't look at bukkit

[jovial warren]

yeah I think Bukkit's out of the question

Piggy said I should implement Sponge

[hot hull]

I mean sponge ain't that bad so perhaps

[jovial warren]

and Sponge has a really nice ecosystem

https://docs.spongepowered.org/stable/en-PT/ and has docs in Pirate English haha

[distant sun]

fun deposit(amount: Double) = run { balance += amount }
or ?

[static zealot]

d

i

a

will stop now

[jovial warren]

sneaky, but will work

[half harness]

y sneaky?

[static zealot]

or you can do fun deposit(amount: Double) { balance += amount }

[onyx loom]

expression functions have implicit returns, u need the run so it actually works

[distant sun]

cant assign a property on an one line function

[static zealot]

‫ Fixed!!! ‫Double.deposit() = run { balance += this }

or was it this? actually

not it

[onyx loom]

this

[distant sun]

lol no

[onyx loom]

altho its eh

[jovial warren]

looking at Sponge, tbh, I don't really like it actually, I'll probably just make my own API

[frigid badge]

ah why don't you like Sponge? Just curious

[forest pecan]

cause it soaks up my tears

[onyx loom]

funny!

[forest pecan]

🥲

[half harness]

u still have tears

🙂

[forest pecan]

hey non

stfu

i can punch you to make you cry

[half harness]

wdym non

[half harness]

please do

[half harness]

ok

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-in-the-face-surprise-girl-fight-gif-14906799

[hot hull]

Cleans up the puddle of tears

[half harness]

💦

[jovial warren]

I don't like the way it lays things out really, the keying system is a bit whack imo, especially for Kotlin

and since this is a Kotlin project, I'm prioritising Kotlin usability over Java usability

I mean, it's a great API, it's just not very nice for use in Kotlin imo

and it's not quite ready for 1.16 yet, which is the only version that Krypton supports atm (and will likely only be 1.16.5+)

[hot hull]

Bardy, we still don't have access to the users chat size right

[jovial warren]

wdym?

okay, right, the rule for client settings is that if it's not in https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Client_Settings , you can't get access to it

[half harness]

code a kotlin client

recode minecraft

[jovial warren]

client? fuck that

[half harness]

lmao

would you do it if i gave u a million dollars

[jovial warren]

I have to worry about rendering, textures, being dictated to by the server, etc.

[forest pecan]

client always ass

[jovial warren]

with the server, it's just data

no rendering BS

[hot hull]

So is it in there, I cba to check every new version kek

[jovial warren]

literally click it

there's 6 things

locale, view distance, chat mode, chat colors, displayed skin parts, and main hand

oh also, https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Generate_Structure have fun with that one lol

(that's a packet sent when a player activates a jigsaw block, which is used for generating certain structures)

[forest pecan]

Do these look okay

[jovial warren]

not bad I guess

[prisma wave]

better than other logos

[hot hull]

The fuck is a jigsaw block

[jovial warren]

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Jigsaw_Block

yeah... we're both gonna have lots of fun with that one

since you're gonna have to provide me with structure data and then I've gotta send a new chunk data packet I think with the new structure placed in the right place in it

[hot hull]

First time hearing about that block kek

[jovial warren]

yeah I didn't know about it until I remember reading some article or watching a YT video about it lol

[hot hull]

Seems like an issue for future me

[onyx loom]

big brain plays by Groovy 🌚

[lunar cypress]

if you count gradle builds...

[onyx loom]

lol

[half harness]

why do ppl say oracle is bad?

[forest pecan]

who said that

lol

[half harness]

someone said that they dont know java (they know python and c++) because their professor said that oracle was very bad

[onyx loom]

what a reputable source

[lunar cypress]

because people are not happy with it as a company

are you @prisma wave ?https://www.reddit.com/r/programmingcirclejerk/comments/lvsycr/q_am_i_a_monad_a_i_would_argue_that_there_is_some/

[prisma wave]

i would love to be a monad

i dont think my IQ is high enough though

i'd spin into existential crisis

[prisma wave]

While you were out getting drunk, chasing women, I perfected my inner monadic self
😌

[onyx loom]

whos the REAL virgin

[jovial warren]

Oracle literally try to monetise everything

[half harness]

oh

example?

[onyx loom]

jdk

[half harness]

but

jdk is free

[jovial warren]

when they took over Sun, they tried to make OpenOffice proprietary and, well, that went as well as you could expect

[half harness]

adoptopenjdk

[onyx loom]

until u use it for commercial use

AOJDK is not by oracle

[half harness]

wait

[jovial warren]

Oracle JDK is a kinda open-source kinda proprietary license

[half harness]

how did AOJDK get the jdk code then?

[jovial warren]

they didn't

[hot hull]

Adopt Open JDK only jdk you should use

[half harness]

then

[onyx loom]

they just look at the jvm bytecode spec and implement it

[half harness]

o

[jovial warren]

Oracle publishes these things called "JSR"s, which are basically the Java equivalent of RFCs, which contain all the standards for implementations

[half harness]

they coded the jdk?!

[jovial warren]

and then they write their own implementation

[half harness]

ohhh

[jovial warren]

they implement all the JSRs, yes

there's not just one JDK, same as there's not just one JRE

the two main JREs are HotSpot and now GraalVM

HotSpot is made by OpenJDK, and it's one of the fastest JREs ever made

GraalVM is made by Oracle, and actually allows you to compile code from other languages (such as Python) into Java bytecode to run on the JVM

it's also very performant, not sure how it compares to HotSpot though

https://i.imgur.com/ctSszMd.png lol

[lunar cypress]

the two main JREs are HotSpot and now GraalVM
GraalVM is based on hotspot

[jovial warren]

actually apparently HotSpot is maintained by Oracle now

[lunar cypress]

but is it really used that much?

More than OpenJ9?

[jovial warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lunar cypress]

i thought you knew when you said "two main JREs"

[jovial warren]

I haven't a clue what OpenJ9 is lol

[lunar cypress]

a jvm by eclipse

[jovial warren]

ah right

[obtuse gale]

Bardy be like

[jovial warren]

-_-

[prisma wave]

🤣

[frigid badge]

lmao

used to be a lot of ppl here

[jovial warren]

yeah the Kotlin circlejerking used to be insane

[ocean quartz]

The circlejerk seems to have moved to rust

[jovial warren]

but BM and Sx were mainly the heart of that, and BM's moved onto "functional programming", and Sx... well, we all know what happened to Sx...

[obtuse gale]

He DIED

Effectively

[jovial warren]

he made massive breaking changes to PAPI, pissed off clip, and got banned

end of story lol

[static zealot]

well. yes but no. and no but yes.

[prisma wave]

random person has a problem in #development
"Yeah that's just Java being dumb, haha. I use Kotlin, so I never have these problems. Kotlin has many more modern features that Java lacks. Kotlin was released in 2016 and has since become the main language for Android development. Kotlin was created by JetBrains and has lots of cool stuff such as exhaustive pattern matching, control flow functions, and null safety in the type system, which is done with a Type T? being a union of T and {null}."

[frigid badge]

reminds me of the vlad meme

[jovial warren]

omfg why is that so true hahahaha

I mean, most of the time, null problems are just Java being dumb

BM wtf happened to you

I miss the Kotlin circlejerking 😦

[prisma wave]

because developers have an irresistable primal urge to sound smart

no

i cant do it anymore

i've been FPPilled

[half harness]

kotlin is good

[lunar cypress]

haha, whoa there, having trouble with your imperative and static language?
Clojure is a dynamic, general-purpose programming language, combining the approachability and interactive development of a scripting language with an efficient and robust infrastructure for multithreaded programming. Clojure is a compiled language, yet remains completely dynamic – every feature supported by Clojure is supported at runtime. Clojure provides easy access to the Java frameworks, with optional type hints and type inference, to ensure that calls to Java can avoid reflection.

Clojure is a dialect of Lisp, and shares with Lisp the code-as-data philosophy and a powerful macro system. Clojure is predominantly a functional programming language, and features a rich set of immutable, persistent data structures. When mutable state is needed, Clojure offers a software transactional memory system and reactive Agent system that ensure clean, correct, multithreaded designs.
Just a heads up...

[prisma wave]

LMAO

[jovial warren]

hahahaha

[prisma wave]

it's true

if there's an opportunity to sound clever

[hot hull]

Not me, I'm stoopid

[prisma wave]

you literally can't resist it

[jovial warren]

seems legit
totally read that whole paragraph, didn't just read the words "haha, whoa there, having trouble with your imperative and static language?", "Clojure" and "Lisp" xD

[jovial warren]

yeah we know 🙂

[prisma wave]

oh you made a typo in plugin.yml?

Haskell /ˈhæskəl/ is a general-purpose, statically typed, purely functional programming language with type inference and lazy evaluation. Developed to be suitable for teaching, research and industrial application, Haskell has pioneered a number of advanced programming language features such as type classes, which enable type-safe operator overloading. Haskell's main implementation is the Glasgow Haskell Compiler (GHC). It is named after logician Haskell Curry.

think it over...

[lunar cypress]

we're reaching new levels of self awareness here

[prisma wave]

we've transcended

[jovial warren]

I can't wait until I can start circlejerking Krypton haha

[onyx loom]

random person has a problem in #development
"Yeah that's just Java being dumb, haha. I use Kotlin, so I never have these problems. Kotlin has many more modern features that Java lacks. Kotlin was released in 2016 and has since become the main language for Android development. Kotlin was created by JetBrains and has lots of cool stuff such as exhaustive pattern matching, control flow functions, and null safety in the type system, which is done with a Type T? being a union of T and {null}."

just grabbing my xp

[jovial warren]

Oh you're having performance issues because Minecraft is shit and designed to primarily run single-threaded? Why not try Krypton? It's fast, lightweight, and reliable! Written in Kotlin from the ground up, the developers have spent countless hours optimising performance, to the point that it can now handle around 1000 players online at once with minimal issues! Get your copy of Krypton today, at https://ci.kryptonmc.org

sounds like an advert you'd see on TV haha

also, don't question my ambition with the performance statement lol

also, Alex, can you please tell me why https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/org/kryptonmc/krypton/packet/PacketInfo.kt is an interface?

I swear that should just be a data class

since the only time it's overridden is anonymously (I mean by using object : PacketInfo to create an anonymous class lol)

[prisma wave]

Uh

I think there was a reason possibly

[jovial warren]

https://paste.helpch.at/upapihagoq.bash ffs why do I do this to myself

I'll give a cookie to the first person who can tell me the issue with that code (I already know what it is)

it's not so much an "issue" btw, it's just that something is made redundant

[static zealot]

is it a variable?

[jovial warren]

try again

wow the late response lol

second line

what doesn't happen that should

[forest pecan]

getIfPresent

and null check

lol

[static zealot]

well I mean that serverID variable is also useless unless you use it somewhere else?

idk

[distant sun]

response.code() != 200 || !response.isSuccessful aren't these the same?

[jovial warren]

Maybe, it's more subtle than that though

I have a cache

What's the purpose of a cache?

[static zealot]

to cache

[jovial warren]

Right

So what happens when something is assigned a cached value? What happens after that in that method?

[static zealot]

a lot. idk I'm out bye

[forest pecan]

lol

[jovial warren]

Oh come on, you're all gonna kick yourselves when I tell you what it is I swear lol

I assign the cached value, but I never return to stop querying the API for a fresh one

[half harness]

cache = store temp data sorta

[jovial warren]

So it'll query the API every time, whether it's cached or not

[half harness]

then you dont need a cache

the cache would prevent querying every time

but if you query every time

the cache is useless

[jovial warren]

That's the entire point I was trying to make lol

[half harness]

oh

lol

[prisma wave]

import elara/cache
let cache = cache.fetch(key)

cant mess it up

🙂

[jovial warren]

Lol

[hot hull]

import elara/sturdy rope
rope.tie(user, tree)

[prisma wave]

🙂

[forest pecan]

whats user

whos the user

ah

[jovial warren]

import elara/sturdy-rope
let user = BristerMitten
rope.hang(user, tree)

[forest pecan]

the user of elara

i see

or

that

lmao

[jovial warren]

xD

[hot hull]

import elara/sturdy-rope
let user = Frosty
rope.hang(user, tree)

Fixed it for you

[jovial warren]

also, https://paste.helpch.at/upapihagoq.bash
someone please explain how the fuck that's a bash script

[errant geyser]

hastebin isn't great at that

[prisma wave]

ElaraBin will fix that

[obtuse gale]

Forge event subscriptions are static methods :why:

[prisma wave]

Forge is a cesspit that's even worse than bukkit

[frigid badge]

just change it 🙂

[ocean quartz]

Forge is static galore

[jovial warren]

anyone know what kind of ExecutorService I should use for user authentication thread(s)?

I was thinking either single thread, cached pool, or fixed pool, but I can't seem to decide

though do coroutines need more than a single thread generally for small tasks?

[prisma wave]

Use the IO dispatcher

For IO

[jovial warren]

is making a request to a remote API and receiving a response better done on the IO dispatcher?

[prisma wave]

Any IO should be done on that dispatcher

Literally any

[jovial warren]

I guess

also, this is so I can trade Call<GameProfile> for a suspend function lol

trying to think if authenticating asynchronously is even a good idea or not, since things could go quite badly if I start trying to send packets that depend on the user's UUID before I actually receive it

[prisma wave]

Pretty sure the vanilla server does it asynchronously

[jovial warren]

yeah it does iirc

but er... yeah... this ain't no vanilla server

the way this is designed means that if I don't get that UUID before beginPlayState is called (literally right after authenticateUser), it's gonna complain for not being initialised

I mean, atm, Krypton is probably worse than the vanilla server in terms of single-threaded usage lol

[prisma wave]

then fix it 🙂

[jovial warren]

https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/org/kryptonmc/krypton/packet/PacketHandler.kt#L138 then help me pls 🙂

immediately questions my eeeeeeeeeeeeee orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr donkey programming

[static zealot]

o

l

[jovial warren]

still don't know how I'm going to make concurrency work with this lol

might have to use channels or something

also, I do love how I can just walk through water like it's nothing because the client doesn't know it's meant to slow me down lol

and how you can just endlessly through fall the void lol

[errant geyser]

I can help you.... make it worse

[jovial warren]

why don't you help me make it better instead 🙂

it's literally just reading lol

https://wiki.vg/Protocol

[errant geyser]

I'm already working on 2 projects of my own, plus the mailserver thing