from what I've just read, yeah
#dev-general
lunar cypress
it makes a specialisation for every use
jovial warren
that is a bit expensive I suppose
lunar cypress
this is not possible when your VM is completely dynamic
prisma wave
i guess they could've specialised for types known at compile time and then kept type erasure for other cases?
but that might be impossible too
jovial warren
on another note, any idea how I should store the block palette?
since the protocol sends an array of varints where each element points to state ID in the global palette
https://i.imgur.com/71nEybD.png wait what
"highest bit for chunk section 16 (above the world, y=256 to y=271)"
why tf is there a chunk section for above the world?
and also one for below the world?
obtuse gale
It makes sense for lighting purposes
jovial warren
actually, good point
obtuse gale
There is that area that has to be lit up and stored
forest pecan
@obtuse gale should i tell bm about the dependency jar issue
cause he should know it
forest pecan
:d
prisma wave
thx
forest pecan
Well anyways, if you take a look at this post i made about loading dependencies https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/loading-dependencies-from-external-sources-in-spigot.491014/#post-4092057
the strategy with using url
will not work for java 16
and up
It just won't work at all
Java has forced encapsulation
obtuse gale
I linked to him the LP issue lol
forest pecan
Oh
prisma wave
yea i heard lol
forest pecan
prisma wave
java 16 might mean the death of pdm
prisma wave
selfish
forest pecan
yeah
prisma wave
im sure people will find a way around it
jovial warren
java 16 might mean the death of pdm
wait what did Java 16 do?
prisma wave
RUINED pdm
steel heart
elaborate
jovial warren
elaborate
wait... has the new strong encapsulation of JDK internals by default got anything to do with your issue?
jovial warren
wait what exactly has changed?
jovial warren
and that's an issue for PDM because you rely on being able to inject dependencies at runtime through reflective class loading right?
prisma wave
mhm
jovial warren
I mean, lucko fixed it
obtuse gale
But not in a way that can be easily implemented in PDM
prisma wave
lucko's is pretty much hardcoded afaik
obtuse gale
yea
jovial warren
also, I'm surprised that doesn't break Spigot, since I swear it injects shit at runtime
obtuse gale
He literally puts the actual plugin jar inside the jar, extracts it and loads it with a custom classloader that has the pluginclassloader as parent and safely exposes the addURL method
frail glade
He puts the plugin inside a bootstrap loader
jovial warren
ah right
obtuse gale
Sugarcoat words
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
this might mean the end of pdm as we know it
stuck harbor
oof
jovial warren
this might mean the end of pdm as we know it
I'm sure we can come up with something
stuck harbor
i guess we are going to turn into game devs and not reduce executable sizes
prisma wave
yes
stuck harbor
throw in a few unused assets
prisma wave
ez 100GB
jovial warren
cough fastutil in Krypton cough
stuck harbor
toothbrush object which is never used, but takes up 50MiB
stuck harbor
*cough* fastutil in Krypton *cough*
have u chosen krypton as the name?
jovial warren
yeah
steel heart
you cant use reflection to add stuff to an URLClassLoader anymore
UNSAFE 
jovial warren
some irrelevant Rust library
jovial warren
lol
also, tf is a warm ocean
why does Minecraft have warm oceans
and lukewarm oceans
prisma wave
lukewarm ocean
ocean quartz
Warm oceans are the ones with corals
jovial warren
also, someone please explain why the biome IDs suddenly jump from 50 (deep frozen ocean) straight to 127 (the void)
happens in Bedrock as well, so it's not just a Java thing
actually, that's not the only weird gap
biome ID 128 isn't a thing either
stuck harbor
they want the void to always be the last one i assume
jovial warren
or 135-139 (inclusive)
stuck harbor
so they have a bunch of leftover IDs
jovial warren
or 141-148 (inclusive)
jovial warren
so they have a bunch of leftover IDs
yeah but then why are dripstone caves 174? (added to the end)
stuck harbor
🤷
i assumed that the void 127 is a legacy thing then
5 bits i think 128 is
like how height is 255
256 is 6 bits
jovial warren
1 byte = 8 bits, which has a max value of 256 in base 10, or 11111111 in base 2
obtuse gale
whats the kotlin alternative to like
new InterfaceName<>(){
//Override all methods
}```I feel like its something with object : but idk
obtuse gale
1 byte = 8 bits, which has a max value of 256 in base 10, or 11111111 in base 2
which has a max value of 256
255* :d
256 possibilities, from 0 to 255
jovial warren
good point
obtuse gale
bruh what isEmpty(): Boolean' is deprecated. This member is not fully supported by Kotlin compiler, so it may be absent or have different signature in next major version
jovial warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ocean quartz
Example?
obtuse gale
val listItemEditor = object : ListItemEditor<AdditionalDependency> {
override fun isEmpty(item: AdditionalDependency) =
item.name.isEmpty() && item.repo.isEmpty() && item.dependency.isEmpty()```
distant sun
If IJ (gradle?) refuses to load the sources of a "lib" I have made, what can I do? 🥺
obtuse gale
go to the shower, open the cold water tap and have a bit of a cry
distant sun
stfu fefo
distant sun
🖕
obtuse gale
lol
distant sun
for real now, wtf is wrong with gradle intragration of iij smh
forest pecan
If IJ (gradle?) refuses to load the sources of a "lib" I have made, what can I d...
get gud
obtuse gale
parameter specified as non-null is null F
surreal quarry
unspecify it 
distant sun
You guys suck
obtuse gale
After copying and pasting code from here https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community for two hours I finally made something that somewhat works lol
distant sun
Nice aj3!
jovial warren
You sure you're bundling the sources JAR? @distant sun
You need to create a sources jar and publish that to have access to sources
jovial warren
Yeah
ocean quartz
Array<Thing>(0) probably
jovial warren
Or just arrayOf
jovial warren
Yeah it wouldn't
prisma wave
sadly java has the 'length"
jovial warren
Primitive arrays shouldn't take any memory though
prisma wave
Nah
quiet depot
nah they store a header as well
jovial warren
Ah
prisma wave
And even if the length was 0, it still takes the same amount of memory as any other int
Probably
distant sun
@jovial warren yes I am.
quiet depot
if the kotlin compiler doesn't remove the array then it's bad
jovial warren
<@266294134116057089> yes I am.
100% sure on that?
quiet depot
I think i'm gonna try implement o(n) sort into docdex
distant sun
99.99%
prisma wave
good luck with that lmao
distant sun
O(O(inf + 1))
quiet depot
i'm just worried about the memory usage
jovial warren
I think i'm gonna try implement o(n) sort into docdex
Worst case or average case? Because I swear O(n) is slow in the sorting world
quiet depot
o(n) is fast in the sorting world
and potentially impossible
but not gonna let that stop me
jovial warren
O(n) is trash
quiet depot
you realise most sorting algorithms are O(nlogn) right?
quiet depot
o(n) is a significant improvement over o(nlogn)
prisma wave
O(n) is better than that
jovial warren
Is it?
quiet depot
yes lol
prisma wave
Pretty sure it is
Only 2 algorithms have O(n) but that's best case
Average time is logn
But you have to consider space complexity too
jovial warren
Yeah it is, you're right
quiet depot
yeah that's what I'm worried about bm
prisma wave
You could probably get O(n) but with the penalty of a huge space complexity
jovial warren
Also, sorting in an average case of O(n) literally doesn't exist
quiet depot
because for my shit to be o(n), i'd need a max size array
prisma wave
That's a lot of memory
quiet depot
yep
distant sun
BigInt.ONE
quiet depot
i'm trying to think of a better solution
prisma wave
Probably too much
jovial warren
Only 2 algorithms have O(n) but that's best case
quiet depot
we'll see
frail glade
I prefer O((n+1)!)
quiet depot
bardy o(n) algorithms are possible in specific cases, for integers
it's really simple
you just loop your elements
and add them to an array, using the element as the index
bam sorted
obtuse gale
What am i mreant to do about this?
prisma wave
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithm not true
Fair enough, my source only said insertion and heap sort
regal gale
Are you one of these people? 
jovial warren
I prefer O((n+1)!)
Nice bogosort
quiet depot
bogo sort is surprisingly effective when n = 1
prisma wave
What am i mreant to do about this?
Take a copy of the variable
distant sun
Quack question, tornadofx for a minimalist UI?
jovial warren
What am i mreant to do about this?
requireNotNull
obtuse gale
But i want to edit the original variable, not a copy of it
prisma wave
No it's not an actual copy
obtuse gale
what?
prisma wave
It just copies the reference
obtuse gale
val x = whatever
val y = x
y.name = "thing"``` does that edit x's name?Or !!
prisma wave
val x = Object ()
val y = x
y still has the same value as x
prisma wave
```kotlin
val x = whatever
val y = x
y.name = "thing"``` does that edit x's nam...
Yes
obtuse gale
o
prisma wave
They are 2 separate pointers / references to the same thing
But in this case 1 reference is mutable so you copy to an immutable reference
Ez
&mut T 😊
jovial warren
There's about 3 big times where this happens iirc
distant sun
Quack question, tornadofx for a minimalist UI?
Quack
jovial warren
- Mutable properties
- Open properties
jovial warren
Stfu
obtuse gale
how come when MS paint is open in the background when you use arrow keys it moves the mouse lol
distant sun
https://paste.helpch.at/xayufesini.gradle build.gradle
https://i.imgur.com/3xC5FUJ.png files
BBG ^
prisma wave
Damn I don't circlejerk about flutter enough
jovial warren
Swing and AWT legacy
prisma wave
Need to get into the habit
Flutter good, JavaFx legacy and outdated
Java ecosystem is way too bloated
jovial warren
Flutter is for cross-platform mobile apps
prisma wave
Flutter makes declarative UI easy
It's for cross platform apps*
Not necessarily mobile
obtuse gale
So what's the name of the server then?
jovial warren
What?
jovial warren
Krypton
obtuse gale
Krypton client when though
jovial warren
prisma wave
waiting for the perfect moment to rename the repo
obtuse gale
lol
jovial warren
Krypton client when though
If you wanna work with GPUs and rendering shit then go ahead lol
distant sun
https://paste.helpch.at/xayufesini.gradle build.gradle
https://i.imgur.com/3xC5F...
No idea why iij don't want to see the sources
jovial warren
Is components.kotlin even a thing?
distant sun
😦
prisma wave
So verbose! Cargo or Cabal or Leiningen can do that in about 5 lines
go.mod
nuget is unironically pretty good
I was kinda prejudiced towards the .net ecosystem but damn
what gradle could've been
jovial warren
Gradle is good wdym
prisma wave
it's no nuget
prisma wave
the .NET equivalent
Although it's not a fair comparison
Since nuget is centralised
stuck harbor
.NET is hurt
quiet depot
c#, vb
jovial warren
Ah right
quiet depot
I think .net is like microsoft's jvm
prisma wave
Yeah I'm a little unsure on what it actually is
But I think it's pretty much that
- the framework and tools etc
jovial warren
So Microsoft®️ Java™️ and visual basic
prisma wave
and Microsoft OCaml
quiet depot
f# too or no?
prisma wave
that's what ms ocaml is
quiet depot
oh
prisma wave
They're very similar
jovial warren
Is F# Microsoft?
prisma wave
yup
jovial warren
Wow
stuck harbor
wine keeps on being like eeeee .NET download 200 versions onto ur otherwise unbloated system
prisma wave
wine lol
quiet depot
what r u using wine for
jovial warren
^
stuck harbor
btw I'm moving away from i3wm, and towards dwm
stuck harbor
what r u using wine for
yeah I use a windows partition nowadays
quiet depot
that didn't answer my question
stuck harbor
windows server tho, I get that license free
quiet depot
like what programs do u need wine for
jovial warren
They look the same lol
obtuse gale
like what programs do u need wine for
all
jovial warren
windows server tho, I get that license free
Leave
stuck harbor
like what programs do u need wine for
steem games
quiet depot
lots of people use windows server
jovial warren
I don't understand why though because it's trash
stuck harbor
windows server is just windows 10 with less bloat
jovial warren
It has its uses but it's trash for most things
stuck harbor
wdym, in what uses is it trash?
jovial warren
stuck harbor
wot
jovial warren
It's exchange or nothing
prisma wave
Windows server + Ubuntu VM 👍 
quiet depot
how is windows server not competing with linux?
stuck harbor
Windows server + manjaro dwm partitions
jovial warren
how is windows server not competing with linux?
How is it?
prisma wave
Windows server has no chance against Linux
jovial warren
^
stuck harbor
it competes by being in a completely different category
jovial warren
True
Windows Server is designed for working with Windows clients is what I found when I used it
distant sun
I cant understand this, I have legit copied Bardy's komponent repository which has a similar publish script as my lib and his works just fine but mine doesn't ...
stuck harbor
windows server is for microsoft products, basically
quiet depot
which of microsoft's products are used in server environments?
jovial warren
Exchange
Active Directory
I think Microsoft have kinda started to accept that they ain't beating Linux in the server market lol
And also that open-source is the way forward
Which is an objectively correct fact
quiet depot
And also that open-source is the way forward
idk about that one chEif
they may have bought github for 10 bil but since when did that mean anythiung /s
jovial warren
Open-source objectively superior
They may have... idk, became the largest contributor to open-source on the entirety of GitHub
And not by a small amount either
quiet depot
became the largest contributor to open-source on the entirety of GitHub
ok not sure about that one actually
i'd say google is a bigger contributor
jovial warren
They have over 4,500 employees contributing
quiet depot
I think google has hundreds of thousands
jovial warren
Which compares to Google's 2,267
quiet depot
or not
surreal quarry
i feel like last time i looked google had like 7k public members in their organization
but that might be 100% wrong
quiet depot
ok then perhaps meaningful contributions
I've never used a microsoft open source product lol
jovial warren
quiet depot
at least not conscientiously
jovial warren
Neither have I
surreal quarry
windows terminal or whatever it’s called is the only thing i’ve used
jovial warren
Oh yeah, and the new (kinda useless) wpm
quiet depot
ok does anyone know what liferay is?
jovial warren
ok does anyone know what liferay is?
What?
quiet depot
it's on that list u sent
jovial warren
Also, think about it
The reason why you see Google as more prevalent is because they make more Java libraries
Microsoft has over 3.9k repositories, 127 of which are Java
On the other hand, Google has 2k repositories, 206 of which are Java
surreal quarry
which one makes kotlin stuff 🌚
ocean quartz
Google does a lot of Kotlin yeah
jovial warren
E.g. Google Home is written in Kotlin
ocean quartz
Every google app for Android is written in Kotlin
obtuse gale
> the designers of a language use their language on a platform they designed
yeah that's some very objective proof right there
surreal quarry
very objective
ocean quartz
well google isn't really the designer of kotlin
jovial warren
JetBrains were the designers of Kotlin, not Google lol
obtuse gale
shut
Bruh why would the apply method be getting called on the ok button as well this is so confusing lol
why the hell does IJ halt all threads by default on a breakpoint
onyx loom
🌝
frail glade
IJ just messed me up again. Somehow my project directories go up to their parent directly and it just tried to index my entire OneDrive and downloaded over 100GB of data on my boot drive and filled it up
surreal quarry
yikes
frail glade
It's not the first time it's done this either. I have no idea how it does it.
onyx loom
🌚
surreal quarry
time to use eclipse!
onyx loom
"jetbrains" with their "powerful" IDEs
frail glade
Probabaly time to wipe the boot drive again anyways
obtuse gale
#development for support
unique light
oops, i'm sorry
livid gazelle
pp
ocean quartz
Front end dev is so boring holy
lost forge
It is if you're not a creative person or suck at designing stuff.
ocean quartz
Not talking about design specifically
More of handling data coming from the backend, that's the boring part
obtuse gale
org.sqlite.SQLiteException: [SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_NOTNULL] A NOT NULL constraint failed (NOT NULL constraint failed: xywarns_logged_actions.category)
:PepeCry:
ocean quartz
What query caused that? xD
obtuse gale
a simple insert lol but I forgot I re-designed the table and removed some columns
testing is ugh
ocean quartz
Yeah agree, that's why i love the database functionality in IJ ultimate
obtuse gale
I need someone good with IJ plugins lol cos this is being annoying
ocean quartz
What are you trying to do? Like what type of plugin?
obtuse gale
im just tryna make a settings page atm and ive got most of it down, Its just the saving/loading thats giving me trouble
hot hull
@old wyvern What's your friends name so I add him
old wyvern
On discord or ingame?
hot hull
ingame
hot hull
When you have to check :kek:
old wyvern
He ussually uses a diff name xD
hot hull
I was gonna change my name but it costs 200 plat, and I rather spent it on more important shit
hot hull
He ussually uses a diff name xD
Did you start building Carrier btw?
old wyvern
Did you start building Carrier btw?
Need 3 control modules
hot hull
Farm them then smh
old wyvern
yup
hot hull
I only have 2.4k sadge
@old wyvern If you put for like an hour long cryotic run, lemme know kek
old wyvern
I have no idea what cryotic run means 😅
hot hull
1 hour long excavation
quiet depot
@frail glade i've seen that happen a few times to people now
old wyvern
oh ok
heady birch
IJ just messed me up again. Somehow my project directories go up to their parent...
I described similar behaviour a while ago, this seemed to happen if I created a project, then deleted it, re-created it with the same name and repeated about 3 times, this would happen.
Might be a different issue
lunar cypress
an "untouched fork"?
unkempt tangle
Any problem with that?
prisma wave
Development General
jovial warren
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aYoxoRx_700b.jpg
jovial warren
https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2021/02/2021-02-19-take-two.md
lol
did you actually read it?
unkempt tangle
no
jovial warren
the entire fork network is gone
I mean, web archive exists for a reason though amirite
no one messes with the archive lol
jovial warren
I think it's kinda protected though
since if it wasn't, the entire purpose would be defeated
the purpose of the archive is to archive things that are no longer available
jovial warren
123 forks lol
778 stars
all gone
2,869 commits
and it took take-two this long to take action lol
I wonder what in that repo is infringing their copyright
game files I guess
jovial warren
you think they'll move to GitLab?
I mean, could work, for a bit
oh btw, has anyone got a Minecraft world that I could have for testing? lol
I mean, I could just gen my own world actually
jovial warren
wdym?
unkempt tangle
You have a region from worldguard.
You gonna visual the area within a gui
grass = green glass plane
jovial warren
yeah WorldGuard doesn't have that
unkempt tangle
Of course they dont have that
jovial warren
I know UltraRegions has something like that, where it highlights using particles
unkempt tangle
I wanna create a topdown view of the claimed(region) area
jovial warren
TP the player above the region, looking down, with the area highlighted in red using red particles
or better yet, use maps
unkempt tangle
sec
jovial warren
also, I think the world you gave me is a bit too big for what I'm after
I'm gonna just use a freshly generated superflat world
wait no way
I can read SNBT from within IntelliJ?
jovial warren
yeah that's quite complex
quiet depot
@jovial warren mc dev plugin adds support for nbt I think
jovial warren
yeah it does
just for whatever reason, anvil isn't all in NBT
so it doesn't recognise it
trying to think of how to read and write SNBT now lol
gotta work with anvil
https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/projects/1 now got a board for keeping track of all this lol
quiet depot
krypton :/
jovial warren
it's a good name wdym
better than MineKraft
feel free to open issues and make suggestions btw 🙂
and report bugs
quiet depot
not gonna happen from me sorry
i've given up the next 2 years of my life to education
quiet depot
eh actually could be 5 years
idk
if your project is still around in 5 years i'll give it a rate
jovial warren
5 years?
jesus
I'll probably be out of university by then lol
and I'm in secondary school atm
quiet depot
you've got what, 1 and a half years left of high school?
quiet depot
oh
jovial warren
then I have two years of sixth form
then 3 years of university
currently 16, will be 21 by then
I can't decide how I want to do this lol
I have too many options
- Serialise and deserialise to and from objects/raw SNBT
- Serialise and deserialise to and from adventure NBT/raw SNBT
- Load it all in as text
hot hull
I don't think option 3 should even be an option kek
prisma wave
Oh god ive absolutely destroyed my pc somehow
I have no idea what's happened but the bootloader is fucked
Kernel boots into emergency mode every time
Let's go
quiet depot
lol
bm do you have a beard?
because if you don't, or it's not a certain length, you're simply not qualified to run arch
quiet depot
anyway i'm 80% sure the problem is that you're dual booting on the same drive
just too many ways to fuck that up
quiet depot
o
prisma wave
i had an old arch installation on a hard drive, not an ssd, im pretty sure something broke and it was trying to boot from that
instead of the ssd
so i just unplugged the hard drive
stuck harbor
bm gonna kernel panic everywhere
prisma wave
clojure good
stuck harbor
oui
stuck harbor
mhm it is
remote goblet
Clojure != good
stuck harbor
I just installed dwm, looks less bloated than i3 by my eye
stuck harbor
Clojure != good
noh
remote goblet
i will never agree with clojure being good
stuck harbor
I like ()
remote goblet
so do I
but i dont wanna do it constantly
I dont want an entire language built up on using () excessively and forming something that kinda looks like arrow code
lunar cypress
it's true, the purpose of Clojure is to use parens excessively
remote goblet
This looks fucking awful
All languages have nice things about them, but the way that clojure is formatted makes me wanna kermit die
remote goblet
Why use an unknown language like clojure when you could just use professional languages that will actually get you somewhere
stuck harbor
lol I'm not learning languages to get a job, I'll learn go if I want a job mmhm
remote goblet
It's not practical to learn it even as a hobby
lunar cypress
Sure, as someone who has never used Clojure or even read 2 paragraphs about it's easy to say that it's "unknown" and "doesn't get you anywhere"
a lot of big companies use Clojure, if that's what you're interested in
hot hull
I mean there's worse languages than Clojure
lunar cypress
Netflix has a lot in its backend
hot hull
Take java as an example
remote goblet
It's still dumb 
lunar cypress
walmartlabs uses a lot of Clojure as well
remote goblet
no clue what that is
imo from what I see
Clojure is just another circlejerk dumb language that you all preach about
Despite it being nothing special or better than any other one
unkempt tangle
@prisma wave Senpai 😭 got a job for ya
lunar cypress
why are you saying this when you don't know a thing about the language?
remote goblet
Call it ignorance but I don't see why it would be used over any professional and well known languages
unkempt tangle
make me a top-down view for with gui's
remote goblet
From an outside perspective, it doesn't look special
lunar cypress
"professional", "well known"? who is the judge of that? it's not an unpopular language
unkempt tangle
Johnny this must be your first day on the internet.
lunar cypress
everything you don't know is unprofessional?
remote goblet
Johnny dont be getting angry about this, You seem to be getting too defensive
lunar cypress
I'm not angry, I'm literally just asking you to clarify what you're saying
remote goblet
I personally would never use it and as I said
imo from what I see
Clojure is just another circlejerk dumb language that you all preach about
imo from what I see
lunar cypress
you see, when you can't qualify any statement you make it has absolutely no value
remote goblet
I didn't say it had any value to it
Nor do i need to qualify it, I don't see where it would be useful over other languages that I would class as well known
You're getting way too damn defensive about it so go bitch at someone else
lunar cypress
??
you're projecting lmao
just because someone asks you what you're doing when you take a dump in the street that doesn't mean they are bitching
remote goblet
Not projecting, Just originally provided my opinion on clojure as a language from an outside perspective
lunar cypress
idk why you're surprised that someone comments on it
but idk I'm not a dogmatic person so I might not understand that approach to discussion
quiet depot
ori has shitty arguments and johnny uses fancy words to talk shit without talking shit
old wyvern
lol
lunar cypress
???
remote goblet
you seep iggy
stuck harbor
clojure syntax bad
clojure good syntax
lunar cypress
what fancy words am I using
remote goblet
dogmatic is a good start
quiet depot
yeah dogmatic was the word
distant sun
sacré bleu
stuck harbor
oui
quiet depot
anyway I believe lisps aren't generally liked ori, due to their syntax
i'm still researching that though so give me a sec
clojure is a lisp btw incase you weren't aware
remote goblet
I feel like using clojure would break my () []
stuck harbor
does the creator of clojure have a lisp?
quiet depot
yes
remote goblet
more than any other language does 
old wyvern
lunar cypress
"dogmatic" is a fancy word? I wouldn't know and I'm sorry if I overwhelmed anyone with my high school english
distant sun
stay hidrated ori
stuck harbor
"dogmatic" is a fancy word? I wouldn't know and I'm sorry if I overwhelmed anyon...
man get outta here with ur elitist attitude
quiet depot
woah woah
lunar cypress
I'm serious though
quiet depot
let's not go calling people elitist
lunar cypress
just a little cynical
remote goblet
now johnny is gonna get defensive over that
stuck harbor
I call someone elitist while i use arch and think i3 is bloatware :)
prisma wave
Why use an unknown language like clojure when you could just use professional la...
Apple was hiring a clojure engineer pretty recently
remote goblet
Yeah but that's apple
lunar cypress
> now johnny is gonna get defensive over that <:Sadge:746992559292940419>
oh no, he's responding, he's getting so defensive 😂 👌
remote goblet
fair
remote goblet
oh no, he's responding, he's getting so defensive 😂 👌
bruh dont act like you're better than us, chill out
prisma wave
<@!266973575225933824> Senpai 😭 got a job for ya
what
quiet depot
prisma wave
dunno what that means
remote goblet
Mine is Anonymous Porn
prisma wave
ima just ignore it
quiet depot
ori r u american
remote goblet
no
quiet depot
what r u
remote goblet
briish
quiet depot
what colour r ur eggs
remote goblet
red
remote goblet
blue
quiet depot
ok good
prisma wave
🤔
remote goblet
or white
quiet depot
cuz americans got those white eggs
remote goblet
yeah they do
quiet depot
weird
quiet depot
that's silly
remote goblet
yeah, When you get an egg carton, they can be either brown or white kinda a gamble
remote goblet
maybe im blind who knows
remote goblet
i still gotta learn how to do linux
quiet depot
ori start with linux from scratch
stuck harbor
yeah start with compiling the kernel urself
quiet depot
then move onto harder distros like ubuntu
remote goblet
quiet depot
so can elon's brain chips let me talk to computers yet
prisma wave
probably
onyx loom
interesting conversations here in #dev-general 🥲
onyx loom
🥲
lunar cypress
I really hate the state of discussion here sometimes, real talk
lunar cypress
One third is just circlejerk, another third bad faith and a third is people opening their mouths without thinking
prisma wave
lmao
prisma wave
im not sure you should be expecting intellectual discussion from minecraft java developers who learnt from 2012 eclipse tutorials
lunar cypress
I'm not
And I'm not looking for intellectual discussions every day
It just gets annoying sometimes
onyx loom
i feel like #dev-generals sole purpose is for this, as it removes the crap from #development
lunar cypress
People arguing in bad faith, mainly happens when the line is blurred between irony and seriousness
prisma wave
i see
it's hard to distinguish sometimes yeah
I guess if you actually wanted a serious discussion it might be better to ask in #developer-chat
lunar cypress
Like idgaf about people say "<insert language I know and like> bad", I'd have to quit the internet if that were the case
prisma wave
since this chat seems to have degenerated into circlejerking and #development-2
lunar cypress
But sometimes people seem to want to make an actual point and when you engage they just want to frustrate you
Maybe I should word that differently
prisma wave
im not sure this is a regular occurrence is it?
lunar cypress
I don't think it's intentional in many cases, just miscommunication
unkempt tangle
Senpai I meant
A landscape get shown on top-down perspective through gui
like this
unkempt tangle
It's not
prisma wave
yea the image clarified
that doesnt sound that hard
in theory
just get the surrounding area and the highest y blocks
unkempt tangle
unkempt tangle
u do it for me ;c
prisma wave
no
onyx loom
lol
unkempt tangle
Possible to let gifs auto play in your explorer?
onyx loom
wot
unkempt tangle
They are usually static
prisma wave
probably not without an external program
lunar cypress
im not sure this is a regular occurrence is it?
I've seen it a couple of times now I think, but I may be more prone to get baited as well
lunar cypress
I guess if you actually wanted a serious discussion it might be better to ask in...
Yeah well. Whenever I get the role
prisma wave
oh you don't have it?
lunar cypress
Maybe I missed a rejection because I got Barry blocked?
prisma wave
i can't see how you'd get rejected
quiet depot
don't think I would've rejected you, unless your os projects are shit
regarding your twos' complaints about this channel, i'll look into some ways to fix it
onyx loom
no circlejerking allowed 🤨
onyx loom
lol
jovial warren
no circlejerking would ruin the fun lol
quiet depot
we've solved issues like this in the past
a year ago we had major issues with toxicity in the support channels
old wyvern
not sure we can remove that
dont 😮
quiet depot
yeah johnny your request is still there
jovial warren
if I managed to get accepted, Johnny has to lol
onyx loom
if bardy managed, i have to /s
onyx loom
🙄
old wyvern
😮
jovial warren
I'm messing with you lol
onyx loom
u missed the /s
jovial warren
https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Region_file_format this is such a nightmare lol
regal gale
I am literally reading that before you sent it lol
regal gale
Need to get some knowledge for accessing nbt or data values with it
jovial warren
apparently, in the header, the location in the region file of a chunk at (x, z) must be found at byte offset 4 * ((x % 32) + (z % 32) * 32)
why is everything so magical
regal gale
Apparently that's not why I am reading that 👀
jovial warren
if you want to find out how NBT works, this page is not the one for you
chunk NBT details are at https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Chunk_format
player data format is at https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Player.dat_format
regal gale
I am reading more on level.dat right now though
regal gale
I'm just new to this lol
It might took a while
But the point of this is accessing with code
jovial warren
my purpose for this is to be able to read from and write to these files lol
jovial warren
🥲
acoustic oak
I'm trying to add a way to get info from a webpage with htmlunit but everytime i move things to plugin i get the error:
Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException: Failed to create VMBridge instance
Anyone know what can be?
regal gale
Just use Selemium, it's better
acoustic oak
I'll take a look
regal gale
Mainly because it still relies on old Rhino engine as core language... so some functionality might not even work on modern websites
Oh well...
jovial warren
they're called named binary tags for a reason
the Minecraft Development plugin in IntelliJ can read that as text
or NBTExplorer allows you to read it as a tree
regal gale
I need to know how I could uncompress it with code
acoustic oak
Mainly because it still relies on old Rhino engine as core language... so some f...
The problem is that this happen only when I move the code to plugin, using it as standalone works
regal gale
I only suggest you the good automation though, not solving your problem 👀
What you mean by "plugin" anyway, as in minecraft plugin or any addon?
acoustic oak
in minecraft plugin
regal gale
Curious to know why are you running web automation inside a plugin though
acoustic oak
Because i need to grab the command generated from needcoolshoes banner generator
this seems only one way to get it , idk if there is a better way
regal gale
There is though
Also, you're the first person in years to figure out the idea on running the entire headless website hidden on a server 
prisma wave
a year ago we had major issues with toxicity in the support channels
i wonder who you mean there
onyx loom
a certain someone 🤨
prisma wave
surely nobody we know
onyx loom
#development message possibly to do with this too 🤨
onyx loom
absolutely nothing
prisma wave
anyway im a bit late to the discussion but i don't really think circlejerking is the problem, the only issue with it is that the jokes get a bit stale after a while
onyx loom
tbf i dont think theres been any actual circlejerking in a long time
theres always gonna be the odd kotlin message here and there, but i wouldnt count that as circlejerking
jovial warren
the only issue I have with this channel is that you can ask a simple question and get a flood of irrelevant answers that just get so repetitive and boring it just gets ridiculous
onyx loom
#development if u need support 🙂
jovial warren
oh hey, btw, @prisma wave, I'm really tempted to just cheat with worlds and have them in a separate folder so you don't have to scan for folders that are worlds in the root directory lol
surreal quarry
thats nicer for sure, but makes it harder to transfer to krypton
from spigot or something
surreal quarry
yea but think about the average IQ of people running minecraft servers
jovial warren
I'll make a tool for it if it's really that hard lol
surreal quarry
do you really think they are gonna read your transfer docs and successfully copy their folders lol
that works i guess lol
jovial warren
I mean, it's not that hard
surreal quarry
yea i know in theory its simple
jovial warren
also, means I can just assume that every folder in the worlds folder is a world
actually maybe that's not the best idea
since that means that if someone shoves a non-world folder in there, it'll break
so I'll have to scan for worlds anyway lol
surreal quarry
true
jovial warren
still thinking of how to store this stuff in memory
I'm thinking I have a world object with all the stuff from level.dat in it (world settings and shit), and a list of regions
then each region can have a list of chunks
and each chunk has a list of chunk sections
unkempt tangle
Can anybody design me a template/layout to post my plugin to spigot?
I can offer some hugs
jovial warren
we're developers here, not designers lol
also, btw, if anyone wants to make any suggestions for Krypton, feel free to open a GitHub issue
surreal quarry
prisma wave
tbf i dont think theres been any *actual* circlejerking in a long time
kotlin bad haskell good
onyx loom
maybe
surreal quarry
r/kotlinmemes
jovial warren
also, is there a difference in performance between using a list and an array btw?
jovial warren
wondering whether to store the arrays in there as lists, to make them easier to work with
surreal quarry
isn't it sort of annoying to use arrays in kotlin (specifically with data classes)
which i assume you will be using for storing data about worlds/chunks
jovial warren
yeah it kinda is
since you're meant to override equals and hashcode for data classes where you use arrays, which gets really messy
surreal quarry
ye
surreal quarry
name was changed
forest pecan
Oh
onyx loom
thats client anyway
jovial warren
good job we changed the name lol
onyx loom
but still funny
surreal quarry
java bad
forest pecan
It's Krypton
jovial warren
and yeah, that's the client
hot hull
What's the new name?
surreal quarry
krypton
hot hull
Not bad
forest pecan
and yeah, that's the client
Can I help add SoundType
forest pecan
Should it have some string value?
Or should it be just a normal enum like how Spigot API is handled
jovial warren
I believe sounds are all static values, so probably an enum
forest pecan
Ok
Does that look fine?
It's all the sounds for 1.16.5
currently
Don't ask why I'm doing this lol, I am just bored
jovial warren
also, replace the string with NamespacedKey
forest pecan
Ok
jovial warren
e.g. "ambient.basalt_deltas.additions" becomes NamespacedKey(value = "ambient.basalt_deltas.additions")
jovial warren
it is a lot isn't it
forest pecan
Yea I think i can handle it tho
I think my IDE crashed
Man can intellij just be smart and render the enums on the screen
not the whole damn file
lmao
for big enums at least
jovial warren
lol
hot hull
Can't wait for that PR saying "Added custom world generation"
onyx loom
"added all other features from mcm spigot forks in kotlin"
onyx loom
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ocean quartz
"added lombok"
Unironically if you add lombok to Kotlin, die
forest pecan
lol
forest pecan
Ok